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How does me staying clean after walking out AARC make me invalidate everyone's opinion here? Please, explain.

Do I see things differently than you, yes, but that doesn't make me a target to attack me both publicly and via PM because I see things different than you.

Remember ajax13, there are ALWAYS two sides to EVERY story - you just like to see and hear your side only while twisting things around the way you see fit .

So again - when did you say you attended AARC, just for the record.

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Ajax13 - your arguments are baseless.

You claim to be stating facts your not even certain about.

You have accused me of both being on staff or former staff - that could never be the farthest thing from the truth.

You have attacked me by twisting my words to say that I called everyone relapsed addicts - farthest from the truth. I simply stated that I stayed clean after I left AARC, where do you get the BS of calling everyone relapsed addicts.

Now I am deviant? Why, I feel like I just got promoted to some new level - perhaps I'm getting under your skin a little now and you'll finally get honest with who you really are.

Perhaps you may even out yourself as to when you went to AARC or did you? Perhaps all your arguments are useless as you have no idea what the hell goes on behind closed doors - maybe that is the truth about ajax13?

Just remember, I was one of the first 25, so if you retrieve the records, you'd be able to figure it out pretty quick. I was there when Brian was a "peer councilor" and Jocelyn Comeau was the coordinator. Even he saw the writing on the wall and bailed but unfortunately, it was to late for Brian (R.I.P).

Let me say for the record - As I was walking out the door of AARC, Dr. Clause told me I'd never get sober no matter where I went, well 16 years later and I'm still not drunk or drugged.

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Ajax13 (your age no doubt)...

What you are missing here is that I never, ever suggested people here who are not part of AARC, or any other 12 step program, as relapsed addicts - I don't where the hell you got that...

What I did suggest was that a person who is know for their pro-pot movement protesting against AARC is ridiculous, or anyone still using drugs for that matter - it seems extremely hypocritical, that WAS my point.

It's like a heroin addict trying to sober up another heroin addict while still using - it's hypocritical!

So again, what exactly are you trying to prove ajax13?

Somebody so hell bent on attacking individuals must certainly have some pretty significant insecurities - do you need a teddy and a nap?

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Ajax13 - Again, GFY!

Sent to me via PM today by the wonder-kid himself - ajax13...

That's a very AARColyte method of lashing out that you used, little boy. Are you cognicent of it, or does it just come naturally to AARColytes? It's a standard operating procedure in totalist environments, where private communication is exposed to a group in order to undermine the individual's sense of security and to shame the individual before the group. The Chinese used it in their re-education camps, and here you are all these years later using it to defend your cult.
See you in the funny papers little boy. If you want, though, do feel free to leave your e-mail address. You're welcome to tell me to go fuck myself to my face any time you desire.

If you only knew who I really was - but please, have your little fun on this board entertaining random thoughts of just how great you think you are.

You can't even spell.

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Wow, can I relate to the OP - I too am going through deprogramming after sixteen years...

I was not in Straight or Pathways but AARC in Calgary, what a way to completely mess up me, my family and all of my relationships I once had.

To this day, I still have no relationship with my father, my brother and I are coming around and a lot of my friends I had are starting to re-surface.

I too find it weird to interact with normal people after so many years of forcing myself to believe as that was the only way I'd be accepted by my family, turns out as I found out yesterday, they were against me for being a part of the program as AARC forced them to believe stuff they couldn't.

I hope one day to regain some sort or normality back in my life but I struggle everyday with serious depression and fear of what might happen - the old cult mantra keeps playing the fucking tape in my head day in and day out...

I am lucky that I have a supportive wife and kids to help keep me going as I am sure if it were just me forging through this mess, I just could not do it.

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It is vitally important that both sides of the issue need to be stated.  Thankfully, I'm here to present the AARC side.  This is true in any situation wherein all criminal acts.   On one side, you have people who were falsely diagnosed as addicts by amateurs, and then subjected to a pseudoscientific program dreamed up forty years ago by a quack.  On the other side, you have a cult leader syphoning hundreds of thousands of dollars from charities, the government and client families.  As with any crime, it is vital that the perpetrators be able to continually cover up their actions.  AARC just has open group, Calgary print and television media, and a group of corrupt politicians to perpetuate their version of the facts.  That's why it is so important for me to ensure that this tiny voice is not drowned out by the powerful cabal of disgruntled clients posting in this web forum.  Enjoy the day, and do what I tell you.

I just love that took up a name after me - almost a way to honor me and I am flattered.

i guess why I have a differing opinion than most of you is that I chose to stay clean after I left AARC although my father stayed a corporate contributor and had his life royally screwed up and used to "cult-speak" me as well.

I love how people assume that I am just spouting "cult-speak" considering I never lasted more than 30 days either time.

Anyhow, enough with this bantering back and forth with a bunch of 16 year old's...

Enjoy the day!

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Thanks anon...

Yes, that was him - sad to see...

As for being hated - I don't know if I was so much hated as just a person who spoke my mind - and in there, that is not the way they want it.

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