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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 09:28:13 PM »
That's what I mean ajax13 - I try to keep it clean and refrain from calling you names and turn around calling me an asshole.

FACT - You have never been to AARC / Straight / Kids and / or recovery. Why the hell are you here?

FACT - The protests are organized by Keith and Debbie Fagin - Pro Pot Crusaders?! WTF!

FACT - You have repeatedly asked to meet me face to face so I can tell you to "fuck yourself" - what is your intention with the meeting?

FACT - You have repeatedly PM'd me DESPITE me asking you not too - your insecure, face it, you always want the last word.

FACT - I was in AARC, you weren't, that makes me a little more factual than you right out of the chute.

Like I said ajax13 - I am done with you, you have no credibility with me, no matter how much you try to antagonize me. - stop PM'ing me!

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 09:10:12 PM »
ajax13 - I am sure there are AARC trolls here that will tell you how great it was.

As for you - I am done.

Perhaps if you had a reason to be here, I'd gladly let you bull-bait me, but you don't.

Enjoy the day.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 09:06:33 PM »
Who made fun of them - I said I was embarrassed for them and questioned why the didn't stand on the opposite side of the chain link fence instead of hanging by finger tips with signs in hand.

Why did they not protest on the main drag where they would have cause a lot more friction and got cult members to second guess their affiliation? To me - it was a waste of time to protest to traffic flying by at 80 - 100km/hr...

Which side am I on? I am on the truth side, the abuse needs to stop, no question there - but the BS that goes on here with regards to the way individuals treat, accuse and chastise former AARC members. Because I chose to stay clean after I left AARC instantly put me in peoples' radar as a "staff" member or "former staff" member or "AARColyte".

You want to protest - I'd gladly join, without question, but the coordinator of the protests and stopaarc.org is the crusader for legalized pot, to me, that's just hypocritical - lends absolutely no credibility - but that is ONLY MY opinion.

You want to talk - I'd gladly talk about my time in AARC, what I saw, what I was subjected too, why I left, etc.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 08:51:48 PM »
I guess you'd have to let someone from the other side chime in ajax13

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 08:12:58 PM »
Supportive - absolutely not!

I think AARC needs to be shuttered and Vause thrown in jail for the bullshit that goes on behind closed doors.

With what I experienced and witnessed while I was at AARC is nothing short of abuse, that's a fact.

RAPS were abusive, made to shame young kids into thinking that they were complete failures and without AARC, they'd never get anywhere in life.

We were kept from medications if needed, visits to the doctor if needed, were impossible to get and education was a reward that had to be earned after they broke you down.

I can remember plenty of RAPS where Dr. Clause would yell and scream while spitting his gob into peoples face - I still have visions of his yelling red face and the infamous water bottle tossing  - it was the most demeaning and abusive form of recovery I ever saw.

He had girls talking about their prostitution experiences in gory details in front of group without any consideration to their feelings - and I remember Jana just sitting in the corner almost laughing while we spilt our guts. It almost felt like they got gratification from watching people turn from normal kids into absolute wrecks at 16, 17, 18, etc...

Bottom line - it's "legal" child abuse.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 07:57:19 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Rather than criticizing how ajax exposes AARC, it would be more helpful if you debated specific facts that he points out.

If he had not attacked me out of the gate and accused me of being "staff" or "former staff", "cult" or "AARColyte" - there may have been a possibility for a productive fact debate.

It has proven the it is incapable of handling a two sided debate - ajax13 is right no matter what anyone says.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 07:54:30 PM »
Ajax13 - No, you have made careless accusations about shit you don't know a damn thing about - that's what's got me going.

Again - you have NO experience in any program - so I am troubled as to why you post here? You don't even defend your position as to why you are here.

Like I said earlier, is it just easier for you to bully people behind a monitor - too scared to go out and face the real world?

Still awaiting your threatening PM - I didn't post the last one as it just wasn't quite threatening enough.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 07:13:57 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
Perhaps WDTony was asking you to provide some video of the protest.

But you are the AARC / Straight / Kids expert.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 07:12:52 PM »
Insulted people who oppose AARC - pardon?

You have been the one with the insulting demeanor towards people who have actually been there and yet, they are "staff" or "cult members".

Your only concern is defending public knowledge in a forum where you clearly have no experience outside of hearsay or media reports.

Again - ajax13, why are you here? What brought you here - just seem like a place you could bully people via threats via PM and attacking them on the forum?

There are enough people who have actually been to AARC / Straight and Kids that can shed enough light with fact not fiction.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 06:53:26 PM »
ajax13 - your comments are getting repetitive, are you running out of "facts"?

The protest on the weekend was at best, a way to piss off the "AARColytes" across the road - you have been asked to provide evidence of news coverage, etc and you did not - why?

I saw the protest and was embarrassed for those people that were there - why were you literally perched on the Glenmore instead of on the main AARC road? It's public property.

I do have much better things to do then argue with someone of your stature - but I want the facts out in the open, not just BS spewed from someone who hangs out on a recovery forum who a) Has never been to AARC, Straight or Kids and b) has no concept of recovery other than to take every opportunity to shove their ideology down people's throats...

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 06:45:56 PM »
I'm not defending Dr. Clause - he's a loose cannon with fake credentials...

I just don't like when people who assume they know and make an insinuation. i.e I am staff member, AARColoyte, cult member, etc. when they don't even have a stitch of evidence to back up their claim.

It is obvious the ajax13 speaks from hearsay and not from experience that is fact.

One needs to look in the mirror and check the motives when speaking about something they have no experience with - it would be like speaking about being a heroin junkie when I've never even seen the stuff and / or only heard of what the high is like, etc.

Appreciate the input Guest.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 06:32:34 PM »
All you had to do was watch the Fifth Estate special to disseminate that information.

Anyhow - if you have nothing better, then I best be on my way to more productive things with my day albeit this is kind of fun.

I still want to know - why are you on a recovery center forums speaking about AARC, Straight, Kids or recovery as to which you have no experience in any.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 06:12:53 PM »
That should have read - wasting my time with you.

You are clueless - have absolutely no clue what you are even talking about outside what has been brought into these forums or hearsay.

You consistently bash Dr. Clause - but you've never even met the ass clown - so that makes your comments against him void.

See what I am getting at ajax13 - you don't even have a peg leg to stand on - your credibility just went down the toilet.

Facts;
- I was there - twice.
- Was one of the first 25
- Never was or will be a staff member
- Knew Brian, Peter, Jocelyn and Bill very well
- Watched Anthony struggle with delusions every day
- Know of only 3 people still sober after graduating during my time there
- Understand how the program runs
- Was part of several RAPS
- Can validate the claims about Oldcomers vs. Newcomers
- Can validate the claims of the power hunger that Dr. Clause has
- Can validate the policy about not allowing people to leave
- Can validate that the Stanhope's have a real policy for sending people there (addicted or not - I was admitted in by Dr. Stanhope)

and the list goes on and on....

Where are your facts ajax13 - might be a little difficult for you to come up with considering you've never been or even stepped foot in.

Again - why are you here? Why do you hang around a recovery center forum when you have no experience with any of the one's listed here?

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 05:44:55 PM »
ajax13 - Please, enlighten us all as to how you have become such an expert on AARC and recovery when you've never even been through the door?

I would love to sit here and watch you make even more of an ass out of yourself, but I think my job here is done, you have been outed as a troll who has nothing better to do than try and argue facts that you don't have any clue about and to make outrageous bullshit based accusations.

You have attempted to pin "staff" or "AARColyte" labels on anyone who cares to call your bullshit and tell you to your face you have no clue what you are talking about - you've never even seen the inside of the building!

You've never been to AARC, Straight or Kids - so what the hell opinion of yours should matter more than one who has.

Why don't you go and play around in the knitting forums - I am sure you'd have some great insight to knitting as well.

Care to take it offline - please, e-mail me again with more of your tirades and threats!

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: AARC Scampede Cultjam
« on: July 08, 2009, 05:28:30 PM »
Ajax13 - your a pathetic excuse for an argument.

I am only sorry to have actually wasted my time debating facts with someone who doesn't know.

Enjoy the day!

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