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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: March 29, 2006, 07:53:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-24 18:23:00, SPANKY wrote:

"Excellent job Mr Grant!!!! It takes courage to tell it the way it was to the public.Im on the hunt for your book,and I have been lucky to have had you as a peer.

Your friend

Graduate #49 ------> Scott F.

LETS DO LUNCH!!!![ This Message was edited by: SPANKY on 2006-03-24 18:30 ]"


Scott you can contact me any time through my site http://www.demonandmonk.com

cheers

David

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: March 29, 2006, 07:52:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-18 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It's too bad you think that.Maybe you should get to know people a little better before you defend them. By the way I've known Daves family for more than 25 years."


I don't need anyone to defend me. And anyone who knew my father GVG and what he did to his family would know I could care less what he thought of AARC. And as far as cults go he was a part of EST. BTW, my stepdad is a Phd as well, and it is him that I refer too. My real father was in far more need of therapy than anyone I know. He had a sad, lonely self-absorbed life full of anger and delusion.

David Grant

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: July 10, 2005, 01:59:00 PM »
I guess that is why after 13 years the psych wards in Alberta are full of AARC graduates......Or not. The thriving, successful, happy, community oriented people that are the vast majority of AARC graduates refutes your claim. Of course Straight and the programs that followed were abusive. AARC is very different and the proof is in those young people, like me who are doing extremely well. Once again, you no nothing about AARC, and choose not to learn. That is sad, but it keeps you "right" in your mind.

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: July 09, 2005, 10:18:00 AM »
oh, a lot more! Well you sure put my statement to shame. But that is the joy of being anonymous. You can say anything, no proof, no facts, no accountability.

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: July 08, 2005, 12:19:00 PM »
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And I feel so much better knowing that AARC was only a watered-down version of a *highly abusive* rehab. Are you joking by thinking that's in your favor??? Let me let you in on something --- that is NOT in your favor. Oh and PS, don't bother patronizing me. I don't need you to tell me if I'm a good person or a shitty person. "


Watered down? Hardly - just different, and effective. For such a self proclaimed educated person, your lack of objectivity and willingness to listen to people who have actually been through AARC is sad. Once again, out of the almost 300 graduates and however many people who did not finish AARC, only a handfull are claiming it was harmful. No lawsuits, media articles, police investigations - nothing. (let me save you the trouble - there is no conspiracy, but feel free to claim one). 13 years of work.
As far as patronizing you, I don't feel I am. I think you don't have all the facts, and are going off half cocked, and lumping AARC together with "programs" that are BS. You also use incredibly angry and viscious language targeted to hurt and demean me, while claiming to want to help people. That is too bad. But it does give insight into your character.

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: July 05, 2005, 04:28:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-05 07:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"YOU are a complete moron and that is becoming more and more clear. UGGG. I will not be "openminded" about being abused!!!! Get that through your thick head. And stop defending the same behavior of your and my abusors, and then condemn me for (what you are calling) the same thing. Although you are too brainwashed obviously to see the clear difference.



Again, one is anger at being abused (even by you) while our abusors were angry at people that had hurt only themselves if even that. The fact that you are now resorting to PRETENDING you don't understand what I'm saying shows that not only do you have nothing to say in response, you may actually know deep down that I'm right.



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Rave on. You seem to have this incredible need to push your views about a place that you have never been to. Your vitriolic, nasty, abusive posts do little to advance your cause. Perhaps some therapy would be wise before your misplaced rage towards me does you some internal harm. I hope that is not the case. You are probably a pretty good person suffering from abuse at the hands of US based prison camp "treatment" - which I am the last person to advocate. The first people I met when I came to AARC told me of the horrors of KIDS, and they were determined not to let that kind of abuse happen at AARC. They succeeded. Come see for yourself.

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: July 05, 2005, 09:01:00 AM »
I'm defending using compassionate language and openmindedness? Yeah, you are right. I am. Sorry you don't like it. I guess it will reflect in the success off your clients.
since you are such an expert on AARC, what is your experience there? When where you involved? Did you graduate? I speak from my personal experience.

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: July 04, 2005, 09:07:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-03 22:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

 But why do so many others express such a drastically different experience in AARC than you? "


So many others? Out of almost 300 graduates, and unknown others who did not complete AARC, how many have spoken negatively about their experience on this forum? 5? 10? And what you don't seem to get is that I respect their opinions. I for one want to know how their experience differed from mine. I have a great deal of compassion for anyone who went through AARC and felt they were harmed. I see AARC graduates every week, with sobriety ranging from a few months to many years. Without exception, they are bright, intelligent, humorous, and all stuggle to some extent with life - like everyone else. They are free to use their talents and gifts any way they choose - or choose not too. Most talk a bout the being grateful for the freedom they have today, that they worked hard to achieve, as have I.
Comparing AARC to KIDS or Straight or the Seed does a huge injustice and is a slap in the face to all who survived those US prison camps.

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: July 02, 2005, 04:15:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-02 12:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Another point of interest, I have a degree in counseling, >"


I sure hope you use more compassionate language and open mindedness when dealing with the people you counsel. You sound more judgemental and norrowminded than what you accuse me of being becuase I went through AARC. I graduated over 12 years ago. I was on staff for 2 years. For 10 years since then I have beneffited greatly from the treatment I got there. Good job, great family, peace and security. I write, am artistic, and volunteer with young people in jail. You judge me with out knowing me, and likely not knowing AARC, which was small but important part of my story. 2 former prisoners at KIDS have read my book and both have said my experience was very different from what they went through. Your judgement and condemnation is your opinion. I challenge others to look deeper.

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News Items / Calgary AA Meeting
« on: July 02, 2005, 02:36:00 PM »
try the whitesheep, thursday nights 8pm

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: June 30, 2005, 09:46:00 AM »
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On 2005-06-27 06:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Demon and Monk, the story of a guy who can't think for himself."


I sure hope you have read the book. But my guess is you have not.

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Alberta's Bill 202: Protection of Children Abusing Drugs Act
« on: June 06, 2005, 06:01:00 PM »
http://www.assembly.ab.ca/adr/adr_templ ... ctbill=202

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: June 01, 2005, 05:44:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-12 13:02:00, Mel wrote:

"You were not with AARC for long while I was there. I have only a little recollection of you which includes that talk with you in your office, one talk with you in the kitchen, breifly some raps and what you wore, chickens, the job you went on to when you left, your girlfriend (wife?) and your mom. I remember Andrew and Mr. G restraining A*r*l and I think that you may have still worked there at the time."


I did some asking around, and there wasn't anyone named "mel" or "Mylitta" who was in AARC while I was there. I like the name though!

Mylitta:Sumerian Goddess of Moon and Fertility.
She can turn flowing water and Heavenly Fire into Sexual Energy.

Dave

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: May 16, 2005, 08:20:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-13 11:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Notice how everything is "in the book" EXCEPT for any questions about what got him into drugs etc and how his family life may have been stressful.



Demon, why is it so hard to admit that you are not a selfish asshole?? I hope your book doesnt perpetuate this abuse onto other families....



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Actually there is plenty in the book about how my family life was stressful, and you can decide what contributed to my drug use. I'm pretty candid about it.
I really don't think that I am a selfish asshole - though I was pretty selfish while I was using. You have to be to commit the crimes that I did. I am not today. I volunteer, takse care of my family, imediate and extended, and share my story in spite of the cynicism and rage that gets thrown my way.
Thanks for your interest!

Dave

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Book the Demon and the Monk
« on: May 12, 2005, 04:45:00 PM »
"You were not with AARC for long while I was there. I have only a little recollection of you which includes that talk with you in your office, one talk with you in the kitchen, breifly some raps and what you wore, chickens, the job you went on to when you left, your girlfriend (wife?) and your mom. I remember Andrew and Mr. G restraining A*r*l and I think that you may have still worked there at the time. "

Sorry, I wish I remembered you. Feel free to lump me in with your experience. But if I did something specific beyond what you oulined lay it out. I have no problem with the way I behaved at AARC, I belive I had integrity and was constantly learning and trying to help.
I forgot about the chickens! Wow! Damn, I wish I had included it in the book. What a fool I was. I can't believe you remember that! Girlfiend became wife. much in love still. Sadly my Mum passed away 18 months ago. Saddest time of my life, it almost sent me back out.

Take care Mel, I wish you only happiness and peace.

That's it for me for a while. If anyone wants to know my experience or opinions about AARC - buy the book.

Dave

http://www.demonandmonk.com

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