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here is another thought. what stockholders? i didnt know i could buy stock in SCL and if i can well majority share holder has some weight if you get my drift.

just another reason why i dont believe rumors about programs closing. the student death has a little more weight than the closing.

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News Items / Father Chains Girl To Bed To Stop Her Eating
« on: January 21, 2009, 07:39:30 PM »
LAS VEGAS -- A Valley father allegedly chained his daughter to her bed. Police said Robert Blue shackled his daughter because he felt she was overweight.

Blue was in custody Tuesday night at the Clark County Detention Center.

On and off for two days, Blue's 15-year-old daughter was chained to her bed. She was found beaten and in tears -- all because Blue thought she was overweight, according to a police report.

Blue, 53, was also arrested for beating his daughter with a wooden stick and kicking her, police said.

In the arrest report, Blue told police his daughter was chained to her bed to keep her out of the kitchen and from over-eating.

Neighbor Alicaer Fletes said he feels badly for the teenager. He said he didn't know about the alleged abuse.

Blue said he was upset because his daughter weighs around 165 pounds, and Blue wanted her to weigh between 140 and 145 pounds, explaining that was her fighting weight in mixed martial arts.

"They'd have to be pretty sick, demented, mean and horrible," said neighbor Kimberly Bissell.

Police said Blue had been chaining his daughter to the bed with a padlock and chain since Jan. 12, when he said he found pea and corn containers in her room. He said she had found a way around the chains on the pantry and refrigerator over the past month.

Blue also stated he didn't think he had committed a crime and that he was acting in his daughter's best interest.

Police said a counselor at the 15-year-old's school claimed the girl was chained up.

Blue was charged with false imprisonment, child endangerment and child abuse.

There has been no word yet on whether or not Blue's wife knew what was going. He does have other children who were placed in protective custody.

There has been no word on the 15-year-old’s condition. She was rushed to University Medical Center.

Blue told police he used to hit his children with a stick as a training tool, and he does have a prior history of child abuse.

http://http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/18526796/detail.html#-

also

LAS VEGAS -- A father who was arrested on suspicion of physically abusing his teenage daughter because he felt she was overweight will be in court Tuesday.

Robert Blue, 53, will face felony child abuse and endangerment and false imprisonment with a deadly weapon charges, Clark County court records said.

He was arrested last Wednesday after he beat his 15-year-old daughter and chained her to a bed, Metro police said.

Blue and his wife put locks on their refrigerator and pantry doors, and Blue chained the girl for two days because he thought she had been sneaking food into her room, the arrest report said.

Court officials have not said if the girl's mother will face charges.

http://http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/18521102/detail.html#-

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can some one confirm this?

"SCLA probably did close down, when i left there 3 months ago it was running itself into the ground. And a kid did fall ofacliffand die, but that was last february. Scla didnt have a big enough student body to keep open, to many students wer getting pulled. The stock holders holders are probablygoing to sell their shares while there still high, then the owners are goingto file for bankruptcy and reopen the place under a new name.then the stockholders will buy their stockback. they were suppose to do it like 4 months ago, but a couple directors were still keeping the place open"


http://http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=71525618&groupID=100272570&adTopicID=29&Mytoken=FBBF7D34-5914-4011-85C8917858B6C52D402261617

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protest rally at his funeral?? whos up for a road trip? there is something against grave robing but we all know that laws were meant to be broken.

(disclaimer i would not rob a grave or undignified it in any way shape or forum.)

at least not me but ill bring the shovels and if someone takes them out of my truck without my permission oh well i can always buy a new shovel.

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News Items / Re: Autistic Girl Taken From School In Handcuffs
« on: January 21, 2009, 05:41:20 PM »
like i have said before it all comes down  to training. the schools dont want to pay the money to train their staff properly just to save a few bucks and than this happens and they have to pay even more money. train them right the first time for up front costs and save more money in the long run.

same goes for the LEO's. had they been trained on how to deal with special needs persons they would know how to handle and deescalate the situation BEFORE it got that far.

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i agree with this topic. i have confirmed PTSD because of the wwasps. so now thanks to my PTSD from wwasps im now addicted to fornits and trying to better mankind.  so ya there is something wrong with me.

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Quote from: "Guest"
Actually given the choice I would close Majestic Ranch next. it is easy to forget that this place keeps 10 year olds.

my money would be on Pillars of Hope, located in Costa Rica.

still away from the American laws.

BUT i still feel that untill i SEE PROF that TB is closed it is not closed. you can say anything you want i have heard it a hundred times before and it was wrong. and when i see prof that TB is closed ill be sick for a week due to intoxication.

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anyone heard more on the Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens Act of 2008? i know it was voted on and than sent to special committee but i haven't heard anything more.

perhaps they are doing this so the programs cant go back to calling themselves schools and get around the act.

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there is also a rumor on myspace that spring creek also closed.

http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... 6F52713093

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as much as i would like this to be true i have heard it a hundred times before. for me to believe it i want something from wwasps itself saying that TB is closed.

i hope it is, that way i might be able to sleep better at night knowing that no one else will go through what i did.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Victims list update
« on: January 14, 2009, 07:00:33 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
What if I were to suggest that the ones who were killed, were the lucky ones. How does that statement make you feel? Please think about it for a few minutes before answering.

as much as i hate to say it i agree. when the girl killed herself at TB when i was there the only thing i could think of was that at least she no longer had to deal with the pain and suffering that TB gave everyone.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Victims list update
« on: January 13, 2009, 09:51:54 AM »
Quote from: "Guest"
You can point a finger at the parents or staff or program but at least they tried to get the kid some help.  Maybe it was the wrong help or did not work but they cared.  Look at all the kids who take their own lives who had parents who never did anything to try to help them, if we don’t have sympathy for those program parents we should deffinately not have any for those parents who do nothing.  Programs could hold these photos and lists up to parents and say this is what happens if you turn your back on your child and not listen to the warning signs.


or the parent could have helped the child through AMA certified programs and not back woods snake oil programs. sure dont listen to what medical professionals say. go with an off the wall program.

http://www.grmc.com/adam/Health%20Illus ... /1/001537/

Oppositional defiant disorder
Definition

Oppositional defiant disorder is a pattern of disobedient, hostile, and defiant behavior toward authority figures. To fit this diagnosis, the pattern must persist for at least 6 months and must go beyond the bounds of normal childhood misbehavior.
Causes

This disorder is more prevalent in boys than girls. Some studies have shown that 20% of the school-age population is affected. However, most experts believe this figure is inflated due to changing cultural definitions of normal childhood behavior, and other possible biases including racial, cultural, and gender biases.

This behavior typically starts by age 8. The cause of this disorder is unknown, and may be due to a combination of biology and parenting or environmental factors.
Symptoms

* Arguing with adults
* Loss of temper
* Angry and resentful of others
* Actively defies adults' requests
* Spiteful or vindictive behavior
* Blames others for own mistakes
* Is touchy or easily annoyed
* Few or no friends or loss of previous friends
* Constant trouble in school

Exams and Tests

The pattern of behaviors must be distinguished from what is commonly observed in other children of similar age and developmental level, and must result in significant social or academic problems.

Evaluation by a psychiatrist or psychologist may be recommended. In children and adolescents, depression and attention-deficit /hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) may cause similar disturbances in behavior, and should be considered as alternate or additional diagnoses.
Treatment

The best treatment for the child is individual psychotherapy. The parents should also learn behavioral management skills. Medication may be helpful if the behaviors occur in the course of another condition (such as depression, childhood psychosis, or ADHD).

Punitive treatments like boot camps and "behavioral modification" schools which restrict contact with parents, and place the child among other disturbed children, can do more harm than good.
Outlook (Prognosis)

The outcome varies. Some children respond well to treatment.
Possible Complications

In a significant proportion of cases, the adult condition of conduct disorder can be traced back to the presence of oppositional defiant disorder in childhood.
When to Contact a Medical Professional

Call your health care provider if you have concerns about your child's development or behavior.
Prevention

Consistency in rules and fair consequences should be practiced in the child's home. Punishments should not be overly harsh or inconsistently applied.

Appropriate behaviors should be modeled by the adults in the household. Abuse and neglect increase the chances that this condition will occur.


and here is another one

http://www.yourhealthconnection.com/topic/adam1000919


Definition

Conduct disorder, a disorder of childhood and adolescence, involves chronic behavior problems, such as defiant, impulsive, or antisocial behavior; drug use; or criminal activity.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Conduct disorder has been associated with family conflicts, child abuse, poverty, genetic defects, and parental drug addiction or alcoholism. The diagnosis is more common among boys and is estimated to be as high as 10%.

However, because many of the qualities necessary to make the diagnosis (such as "defiance" and "rule breaking") can be subjective, it is hard to know how common the disorder really is. For accurate diagnosis, the behavior must be far more extreme than simple adolescent rebellion or boyish exuberance.

Conduct disorder is often associated with attention-deficit disorder, and the two together carry a major risk for alcohol and/or other drug dependence.

Children with conduct disorder tend to be impulsive, difficult to control, and unconcerned about the feelings of others.

Symptoms

* Cruel or aggressive behavior toward people and animals
* Destruction of property, including fire setting
* Lying, truancy, running away
* Vandalism, theft
* Heavy drinking and/or heavy illicit drug use
* Breaking rules without apparent reason
* Antisocial behaviors, such as bullying and fighting

Signs and tests

Some of the common signs of conduct disorder are bullying, fighting and staying out at night without concern for curfew or other limits. These children often make no effort to hide their aggressive behaviors and have difficulty making close friends. The diagnosis is made on the basis of a history of these kinds of behaviors.

Treatment

Successful treatment requires close involvement of the child's family. Parents can learn techniques to help manage their child's problem behavior. In cases of abuse, the child may need to be removed from the family and placed in a less chaotic environment. Treatment with medications or talk therapy may be used for depression and attention-deficit disorder, which commonly accompany conduct disorder.

Many "behavioral modification" schools, "wilderness programs," and "boot camps" are sold to parents as solutions for conduct disorder. These may use a form of "attack therapy" or "confrontation," which can actually be harmful. There is no research support for such techniques. Research suggests that treating children at home, along with their families, is more effective.

If you are considering an inpatient program, be sure to check it out thoroughly. Serious injuries and deaths have been associated with some programs, which are not regulated in many states.

Expectations (prognosis)

Children who have severe or frequent symptoms tend to have the poorest prognosis. Expectations are also worse for those who have other illnesses such as mood and drug abuse disorders.

Complications

Children with conduct disorder may go on to develop personality disorders as adults, particularly antisocial personality disorder. As their behaviors worsen, these individuals may also develop significant drug and legal problems.

Calling your health care provider

See your health care provider if your child seems to be overly aggressive, is bullying others, is being victimized, or continually gets in trouble. Early treatment may help.

Prevention

The sooner the treatment for conduct disorder is started, the more likely the child will learn adaptive behaviors and prevent some of the potential complications.

Review date: 11/15/2006

Reviewed By: Paul Ballas, D.O., Department of Psychiatry, Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, PA. Review provided by VeriMed Healthcare Network.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Victims list update
« on: January 13, 2009, 07:29:18 AM »
Quote from: "psy"
Yeah... but on the flip side, how many kids did you know who were not suicidal before program but became suicidal in program?

true. and here again if they had trained staff to spot the signs of a suicidal child than the child would have to be removed from the program. and any one should know that if someone says they intend to harm themselves (such as letters home, telling staff, etc...) it should be taken as fact until proven otherwise. so here again unqualified staff is one of the problems, as well as parents not listening to their child. that is why i have little sympathy for the parents who lost their child. had they listened to the child and what they were saying in their letters they would still be here.

the contract clearly states suicidal tendency are a reason not to have the child there and if the child says it in a letter it is a suicidal tendency and reason for the program, let alone the parent, to remove the student.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Victims list update
« on: January 13, 2009, 02:37:55 AM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Know better about what?  They may have a child who took their own life and sometimes this is very painful, a problem they had been dealing with for years or mental illness that runs in the family and not something the family wants all over the internet.


considering most programs say that if the child has a mental illness they are disqualified from the program (most of the contracts that i have read have this Claus) than it is bad parenting. read what you sign and maybe the child would still be alive.

from enrolment forum to spring creek lodge.

"As a result, the Sponsors understand that the Spring Creek Lodge Academy is not recommended or equipped to
provide services for students that are: suicidal, psychotic, violent, assaultive, diabetic, schizophrenic,
borderline personality disorder, severely dyslexic, illiterate, highly depressed, or have very low IQ,
serious health problems, traumatic brain injury or any significant behavior, mental or emotional
problems"

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News Items / Re: 8 to great program?
« on: January 09, 2009, 06:27:51 AM »
"It basically boils down to forgiving yourself for the past and dreaming toward the future."

is it just me or does that scram program? how long till they make it a lock down one?

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