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That Find Law site certainly brings back memories.

Here's a site that you can read without signing up:

Teen Challenge / Some Other Points to Ponder About Teen Challenge
« on: May 18, 2007, 10:46:18 PM »
Murray v. Curlett and Abington School District v. Schempp are my favorites.

A man who hides for a year in a program to avoid a year in county jail isn't tough.

He's smart. A man who is afraid to post his real name when challenged to do so is a coward.

I have answered all of your questions. If you lack the ability to understand these answers, that's your misfortune.

Your Monday morning quarterbacking is just that, since you never spent any time at Shafter as a "student," therefore you have no knowledge of what really goes on there. All induction centers are not the same.

Why do you hide behind a screen name? Don't you have the balls to put your real name out there? Yet you call ME a fraud, demanding this and that from myself, Karly, and others. Well, you can demand with one hand, and shit in the other, and see which one fills up fastest. The site is going to stay right where it is, and there's nothing you can do about it except complain on these boards, hiding behind a pseudonym.

Teen Challenge / Teen Challenge and the faith based initiative.
« on: May 14, 2007, 11:35:46 PM »
Here it is:

In 1998, a boy filed suit against Dallas Teen Challenge Boys Ranch and Assemblies of God, alleging that a counselor, who was a convicted drug trafficker, sexually molested him and two other boys. The lawsuit also claimed that the ranch’s Executive Director, the church and the ranch’s board knowingly hired people with criminal histories to serve as counselors. (Austin American-Statesman, 5/13/1998)

Teen Challenge / Teen Challenge and the faith based initiative.
« on: May 14, 2007, 09:39:56 PM »
"whereas the Teen Challenge people said it is a spiritual illness."

Even if an alcoholic stops drinking for 25 years, then starts again, he'll be at the tolerance level he would have been at if he had been drinking for those 25 years, because the disease progresses even when you quit drinking. Nothing spiritual about that.

You think I'm dishonest and a fraud? Whao cares what you think? Fuck you and the slut you're married to.

What good would it have done to tell someone what Randy said my very first week at Shafter? It was just he and I; there were no witnesses. I didn't even know who Rod Tidwell was until I was at fire camp a month later, when pinche bruja Christie Luna said "Rod Tidwell said hello." Who is that? "He's the director." Oh. I thought Ruben Heredia was the director. Rod wasn't involved in the day-to-day activities, just as Dennis Griffith was rarely seen at Riverside.  

I ran? From your punk ass? I ignored you. I don't have to answer shit to a take-it-in-the-ass punk bitch like you. If you want to call me a liar and a fraud to my face, look me up in the Visalia directory and name the time and place. If you want to talk to someone at Teen Challenge who knew me, talk to Stan Williams. He knew Ahmed Morris and detested him; no other staff members liked him either, because he bullied others while hiding behind the skirts of Teen Challenge. You can bet if I saw him on the street he'd be really nice to me, but I'd spit in face and call him a cocksucker, and it'd be on.

"I am a graduate of the southern California Teen Challenge and a former staff member of Los Angeles Teen Challenge. I am also a graduate of the Teen Challenge Ministry Institute."

Firebird81  Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:05 pm

From topix:

"See...I am a graduate and also a former staff member of Los Angeles Teen Challenge."

Los Angeles, CA

"It's certainly obvious by your attitude that you learned absolutely nothing that was taught to you in Teen Challenge. Who was your 4th phase teacher at Riverside and what classes were they teaching?"

Downey, CA

"His attitude and the things he chose to attack looks more to be like a personal vendetta…"

Irvine, CA

Same information on Karly’s board and the first topix post. The diction in all four posts is identical. The Los Angeles and Downey posts were probably done at work, the Irvine post from your home. Your phone number is (562) 598-2356.

Teen Challenge / To those who find this forum...
« on: May 12, 2007, 05:41:55 PM »
He hasn't been posting on topix, either. Everyone there just ignores him.

Firebird81's real name is Matthew Dau. He lives in Seal Beach.

Here's his picture: ... 01098l.jpg

Teen Challenge / To those who find this forum...
« on: May 09, 2007, 09:57:56 PM »
force christian religion into the minds of young people
They threaten you with Jesus as though he were a pit bull on a leash, their own personal pit bull.

If Jesus returned to Earth today and visited the Shafter TC, he'd probably kick John Burns right in the nuts. I'd buy the video.

They all follow the same talking points. Mr. Dau is no exception.

In the February 14, 2005 issue of Dissident Voice, journalist Amy Sullivan wrote in "Faith, Fabrications, and Fantasy" that "Teen Challenge's much ballyhooed 86 percent rehabilitation rate falls apart under examination -- the number doesn't include those who dropped out of Teen Challenge and relies on a disturbingly small sample of those graduates who self-reported whether they had remained sober, significantly tilting the results."

Teen Challenge / Trying to figure out your angle
« on: May 08, 2007, 11:07:23 AM »
Those gifts ended at the end of the apostolic era
Absolutely true. I Corinthians says that miracles will cease, tongues will cease, and knowledge will fade away. This does not mean knowledge per se, but the kind of knowledge that the men who wrote the Bible are said to have received from above. Joseph Smith claimed to have received this kind of knowledge, but that's another subject entirely.

Teen Challenge / Bite your tongue!
« on: May 08, 2007, 10:53:21 AM »
Hell, no, I don't belong to TC. I was there from July 2002 to July 2003. Teen Challenge Exposed is my website.

Teen Challenge / Document not worth the paper it's printed on
« on: May 07, 2007, 11:29:42 PM »
The Salvation Army ARC in San Diego had an almost identical document that residents were required to sign. Llyris Chiles sued them in 1996, and S.A. produced the document in court. The judge asked, "If Mr. Chiles had refused to sign this, would he have been admitted into your program?" They hemmed and hawed around, and finally were forced to answer "no." The judge ruled that the document was coercive, and therefore illegal. She awarded Llyris Chiles $4200. S.A. no longer uses that document.

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