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And the summer program is just plain dangerous,
run by faculty members who have little idea what
they're doing. I arrived at Hyde in the middle of
Summer School (as it was then called) in 1976 and
ran away from the regular year the following
January '77. There was no Conn. campus at the
time, only Bath.
  I remember when my watch group was on the
maritime portion of the wilderness thing we were
rowing around in the middle of Penobscot Bay
when the Coast Guard came alongside the "safety
boat" (so named because the faculty could motor
themselves off to safety) and told them that a
tropical storm was incoming. The faculty actually
resisted diverting us off the water! They did so
only after the Coasties threatened to arrest them.
  Anyway, life at Hyde is like walking on eggshells
constantly. For the most trivial offense one
could be put on "24 hour work crew". Fear of
"two-four" pervaded everything. Two-four was the
punishment for having a "bad attitude",failing to
snitch or saying anything negitive about Hyde.
this consisted of digging your own grave and
filling it back in over and over or mindlessly
carrying logs back and forth between piles of logs.
   I would advise your friend to resist going.
Also if he gets sent anyway and wants to share
here or on another board to post anon to avoid
being put on two-four for a long time.

If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin

This is 28 year old info but Outward Bound once
ran or helped run the outdoors part of Hyde School's
"summer school" a couple of years before I was
there in 1976. Aparently, OB ended the deal when
they realized Hyde was crazy.

Guard with jealous attention the public Liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that Jewel. Unfortunately, Nothing will Preserve it but downright Force. Whenever you Give Up that Force, you are ruined.....The Great Object is that every man be armed.....Everyone who is able may have a gun.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1888952229/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>- Patrick Henry

A few years ago I read a news article about
a kid who'd sued one of the WWASP programs and
named as defendants not only his own parent but
also another program parent not his own.
  It seems the other parent had been paid by
the program for refering his mom to WWASP.
  Imagine that. A parent in hock to a program.
With a deal like that all her friends kids start
to look like druggies.
              Peace,
               Tommy

Suppose you were an idiot.  And suppose you were a member of Congress.  But I repeat myself.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=circlofmiamithem&keyword=mark+twain&mode=books' target='_new'> Mark Twain

OK folks, this isn't WWASP's website. It's a
PROGRAM PARENT'S website. Please note the "contact
code" given. My guess is that this woman was
promised forgiveness of fees for each new kid
she can refer to the program. The code is so
she can get the credit.
http://www.teenswithproblems.com/teenformx.html
          Peace,
            Tommy

May your days be joyously challenging and your words artfully true.
--Ginger Warbis

You think either of these boys would have been charged with  murder if they had been wise enough to know they were dying and taken action to protect their lives, even if it meant taking the counselor's life? Or would it have been perceived as self defense?

    Sadly, I think they would have been. It would
have been too easy for a drug crusading DA to
portray the staff as giving them the "help that
they need" and to pooh-pooh the testimony about
abuse as coming from disgruntled "druggies" who
just want to go back to their "druggie" ways

The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.
-- Patrick Henry

On 2004-02-20 10:16:00, Timoclea wrote:

"I don't put all TBS's in the same basket.  Just the ones that substitute Stockholm Syndrome and cult dissociation for real treatment, and the ones that oppose basic government oversight to ensure that kids without serious problems aren't committed to private jails for their parents' convenience and to ensure quality of care for kids who *need* to be committed.



Primarily, I advocate that teens be allowed to receive mail from anyone, and have at least three first class stamps, envelopes, paper, and a pen each week to write to anyone they choose.



In addition to freedom of correspondence, I advocate that each school have a state family and children's services caseworker assigned and each kid committed to a TBS be reviewed promptly by a caseworker to ensure he/she has a problem requiring residential placement***, and that allegations of abuse are thoroughly and promptly investigated, and that there are a minimum number of thorough surprise inspections a year.



I want these private lockups for kids to have at least as much oversight as the steak on your dinner table.



The mail issue is because isolation is a precondition for inducing Stockholm Syndrome.  No isolation, the kid is free to scream for help to everyone from grandma to the ACLU to Congress, no Stockholm Syndrome.  It forces the TBS's to get their results from *real* therapy and medicines, rather than faking it with Stockholm Syndrome and cult dissociation.



*Good* schools will be fine with this kind of oversight, as long as the law is well drawn.



This kind of law, and rigorous enforcement of it, will *help* the good schools by making their quality stand out clearly so the parents can tell the difference between good schools and bad ones.



*** If a kid doesn't have a problem that would necessitate residential placement but *wants* to attend, then the caseworker would need to note that on the kid's record so that that particular kid would be allowed to leave and go back home if he/she chooses to do so.  If his parents wouldn't take him back, then social services should treat it like any other case of child abandonment.

There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
http://www.tatteredcover.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?s=showproduct&affiliateId=000095&isbn=0753816571' target='_new'>Alfred Lord Tennyson

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Timoclea makes an important point about abandonment
My own personal hell (Hyde School) didn't lock
anyone down. They told our parents to throw us
out if we wanted to leave.

The government is much more interested in preserving the purity of its ideology than it is in allowing patients to get effective medicine.
-- Ethan B. Russo, neurologist at Western Montana Clinic

:roll:
So SCL has it's prisoners "volunteering in the
community" do they? I'm having a Hyde School
flashback. BTW, I doubt those kids were asked
whether they wanted to "volunteer". At Hyde
"community action" was as manditory as everything
else and consisted mostly of working for political
candidates favored by Hyde.

Clancy's Law: The perceived role of governments is to deploy ever increasing resources to the attainment of  ever diminishing end results.
--Home Page

just wondering... I wonder if PURE is referring parents to Hyde.
After all Hyde isn't  Quite as bad as WWASP
or Straight or Elan......
                   Peace,
                       Tommy

The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad.
-- Salvador Dali