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I attended JDA with "Jayson". He was my friend at JDA. It disturbed me to read that article. He had a huge heart and was a very kind and loving person. He also had an amazing sense of humor. When we went to lay in our beds for curfew, I remember he would keep me awake for hours laughing about anything and everything. He also would open up to me about how his problems of "emoting". He tried to act how everyone wanted him, but the tears just couldn't come out. He didn't ever cry and everyone in groups would ride him for it, especially about his fathers death. People would push him to get emotional about it, but he had trouble. I have many friends like Jayson that simply don't cry or get upset as easily as most people do. He had a stone face, but I kinda liked that about him. Maybe Tom was pissed that he couldn't break that stone face.. some people may have seen that as a weakness or a problem, but I saw it as a strength. Jayson always made me laugh, and I always felt safe and comfortable around him. Like if someone were to attack me, I know I could count on him to get by back and fight for me. He was a good friend. So that ridiculous group session I read got me upset. I defended him in groups, yet it didn't matter what I said. It was all politics. The older members were always right, and Tom was the boss. Jayson was an amazing kid and he is missed, its unfortunate that Tom gave him such a hard time, wish he could still be here with us today, because he really was a wonderful person to be around.
TOM: Well we already know about the sexual assault charges he was found guilty of, multiple times. I myself have seen it first hand while attending the school. (this one was not documented but considering all of the investments he has as well as stocks i'm sure he was able to afford to keep a few of them under wraps.) Tom is in no state to be around any girl under the age of 18. Just observe the way he constantly looks down their shirts and caresses them, its disgusting. It would be one thing if they were girls, but these are troubled teenage girls. I noticed he has a method of turning girls against their fathers too for some reason. He always tries to find a way to make the girl hate her father, and then he swoops in and fills the void he created. He also falls asleep in groups ALL THE TIME. He never remembered anything I told him, I could tell him the same story 10 times. At first I thought there was a method to his madness, but there is not. He just didn't care about me, which was fine.... only he was getting a check, because it is his job, so fuck caring about me, but do your job at the least. Even when I left, after the money they gave me, they never helped me with going to another school, or asked me or my family how things were, not once, they just took my family check and abandoned us when could have used there advice or help.  "put him on the street" I'm lucky to have a dad that didn't buy into Tom's bullshit, and took me home, (my mom on the otherhand was completely brainwashed.... kinda like one kids mom... it took a long time to get her back in touch with reality and out of the JDA cult.)

and PARENTS beware, he is extremely manipulative. I mean he convinced multiple parents to leave there children homeless for months and sometimes years.

He also uses sleep deprivation in order to change the students into better human beings.... and if it works then maybe its worth it. But they don't put that on the website.

I would seriously look into his investments and accounts because for the amount of money that school costs, i wouldn't be surprised if he is storing that cash somewhere for himself or his children. Not for profit my ass, did you see how expensive tuition is!!

Oh yeah, and I left that place after about two years, I told them to go fuck themselves after they wrongfully accused me of something I didn't do, I got tired of trying to explain my innocents and I left.

I got into a GREAT school without them.
I started my own business and I currently have 3 locations.
I am happy, and I do whatever I want.

But if you look at all the people who actually graduated from that school only a small amount actually "succeed".

I could go on for hours, but i'm saving for a book (hopefully). I hope Tom leaves that place because I think if Ken called the shots, the school actually stands a chance in helping kids. So far majority of people I know that when there, are just as fucked up if not more fucked up then they were before they got to JDA.

Amen....
oh and Tom.... STOP SEXUALLY ASSAULTING AND HARASSING troubled teenage girls who are vulnerable , you sicko. and don't even try to deny it, I saw it with my own eyes.

Parents, If Tom is still working there, don't waste the money, there are better alternatives

Thanks for posting that heartfelt defense of Jason. After reading your post, I went back and reread the OP article again, and felt even more disgusted by Tom Bratter and John Dewey Academy methodologies than I had the first time I read it.

Here's the portion of the article,* "Confrontation-A potent psychotherapeutic approach with difficult adolescents," which specifically pertains to Jason for those who may not want to read the entire shebang (although ya may well want to do so after reading this):

Confrontation psychotherapy: A Case study

As an illustration, we present an excerpt of our group process. Prior to attending JDA, Jason had been diagnosed as having schizoaffective disorder and had been prescribed a cocktail of psychotropic medications, including amphetamines, antidepressants, and anxiolytics. Jason's father died when he was twelve, and his mother was in remission from a brain tumor. He witnessed several people jumping to their deaths from the World Trade Center towers during the 9/11 terror attacks. Two years ago, Jason learned he had the same hereditary cardiac condition that caused his father's premature death, and he underwent the implantation of a pacemaker-defibrillator.

Considering his history, post-traumatic stress disorder might have been a more appropriate diagnosis. Regardless of diagnosis, however, this boy had clear explanations for his choice to suppress his feelings and for his decision not to trust others. He struggled with a continuing sense of abandonment and betrayal, stemming from his father's sudden death. During the 18 months that he was at JDA, he remained closed off from other students and staff. The following is a fragment of a group session in which first the group leader and then the other members of the group confronted Jason on his behavior and their reactions to it. Before convening this group and implementing this confrontation, the group leader discussed the treatment impasse extensively with colleagues. The intent of this confrontation was to precipitate a crisis, forcing Jason to change or to leave.

Leader: Jason, recently adults have asked if I think you are organically damaged since you refuse to heed repeated warnings not only to change but also to become a contributing member of the community. I admit that for the first time I mentioned that perhaps they are right and I am wrong. Maybe you are damaged goods and are incapable of changing. You might be the first student in our twenty-year history who needs medication to function. I intend to recommend to your mother that you be evaluated by a psychiatrist who specializes in pharmacology.

Jason: I am not. You know damn well I'm not crazy and don't need that crap.

Leader: I no longer know what to think. What I do know is that you have been here for eighteen months, but haven't changed much. You still isolate. You still refuse to relate. You still don't trust anyone. You still are stubborn. But to your credit, you finally have started to do well academically. I think you hide in your academics by claiming you need to study six or seven hours a day.

Jason: Yes, but...

Leader: Yes period. Your classmates complain that you're a drag and a drain. They don't want to waste their time and energy reaching out to you and having you reject them. Ask them.

Jason: I've been talking to people. (He lists five students.)

Mary: Big deal. They are new students. None have been here longer than three months. What about us? We know you much better than they do. They don't know how to confront you. So you continue to play stupid games.

Laurie: I have no idea who you are. When you feel uncomfortable and threatened, you shut down. When my father died abruptly from a heart attack, just like your father, you never even said you were sorry. This is why I stopped pursuing you.

Jason: I don't want to talk to you because you don't want to talk to me.

Leader: That's a very mature response. You're right, but do you know why?

Jason: No.

Leader: You lie. You know damn well. Everyone is frustrated and weary. They have extended themselves by sharing experiences and confronting you. What have they gotten from you? Only silence and sarcasm. So they finally said to themselves, 'Fuck him. He's simply not worth it.' You quit. No, that's wrong. You never tried.

Allie: Tom's right. I quit six months ago. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that, underneath your defenses, you were caring. I don't believe that any more. You talk in a monotone. I cannot remember when I felt you cared. You are the most frightened and self-absorbed person I've ever met. I know why. When I came I was too scared to care. I had a damn good excuse. I had several abusive relationships with guys. I felt sorry for myself and saw myself as the victim. I was confronted that it was my choice. I chose to remain with these abusive jerks when I should have rejected them! It was scary to trust because I feared the worst. Yeah, I got hurt once or twice. I was knocked down. But I got up and tried again. And you know what? Today, I have the best friends I ever had.

Laurie: I don't blame Allie for not giving a damn. No one trusts you. You are nineteen. You continue to treat your mother like she's the enemy! You abuse your younger sister. None of us care whether you leave or stay. I pity you. You are too scared to be human. You are a poor excuse for a person.

Eddie: Jason, it's really that easy. You lack the guts to venture forth. You're a coward. I'd lie if I said I care because I don't. Blame yourself. But what frightens me is that I know if you don't do it at JDA, you never will. You will never be in an environment which is so caring and safe.

Paul: Eddie's understating your problem. Several of us believe you have major guilt, but lack the integrity to take accountability. Fuck your fears. Take accountability. Things can't get much worse.

Shirley: Do you know what I think the problem is?

Leader: No. Tell us.

Shirley: Jason does not believe you will expel him. You've threatened so many times to expel him that he thinks he's immune.

Eddie: Shirley's right. Jason knows you like bright students, so he's gambling since he has not done anything expellable, you'll let him graduate.

Leader: Jason, if this is what you think, your reality testing is flawed. Complete the next two weeks and then go home for the holidays. Think about what you will want to do with your life. And then write a ten-page essay why I should readmit you. Include in this document your guilt and what you will change.

Allie: Why wait? He thinks you are bluffing. He's not going to change. For the next two weeks, he will do nothing.

Leader: You're right, Allie. Jason, leave in three days. I will give you seventytwo hours to make arrangements because I doubt your mother will permit you to return home. My guess is that all the New York City homeless shelters are filled because it's cold, but I suggest you call them.

Paul: We're wasting our time. We have confronted you many times but you ignored us. You have made commitments to change, but you never have. You continue to joke and act nonchalant. You've done this for six months, so I agree with what Tom said at the beginning of the group. Maybe you just don't get it! I believe you lack the guts to come out from behind all the barriers you have erected. You will be a lonely guy who becomes bitter because no one will be knocking at the door asking you to let us in. Maybe you should watch Dickens' "Christmas Carol." You could become Scrooge.

Susan: I've kept quiet because I tried many times to reach out to you, but you always gave me shit. You continue to be obnoxious and confront others about dumb shit which tells everyone to stay away. I know when I confront kids rather than connecting with them, they get the message to stay away.

Leader: Sadly, I doubt if this group will have much impact. You have heard all this shit many, many times. This may be the last group you attend at John Dewey. I won't shed any tears if you do not return, other than we failed to help you in your time of desperate need. But Scrooge changed when he was much older than you are. Unfortunately, Scrooge is a fictional character. Maybe you ought to read Dickens when you go home. Unless you change by letting the sun shine in, you very well could become Scrooge. It would be tragic if you were to live a wasted life because you have been blessed with awesome intelligence. You could have been great. You could have improved the quality of life. But you won't unless you get the guts to show you care. It's late, but there still is time. The next month will be the most important in your life, because the decisions you make will influence you until you die. I hope for your sake, and that of society, you finally make the right decisions because this may be your last chance. Enough. I don't want to waste any more time. I end abruptly because I do not want to have closure. I hope you are scared because I am scared for you! You can win, but time is a precious commodity, which you lack.[/list]

Case follow-up

Following this group, Jason enrolled in a four-week wilderness program in an attempt to earn readmission to Dewey. During his stay at the wilderness program, Jason received notification of early-decision admission to a prestigious college of engineering, as well as word that he had been awarded a substantial scholarship.

While in the wilderness program, Jason was admitted early decision to a prestigious engineering college. We thought this would provide the incentive for him not only to return to John Dewey but also to confront his fears. However, when he returned from the wilderness program, Jason remained intransigent. He engaged in provocative behavior, which forced his expulsion for safety reasons. He "played" with the fire alarm. He "played" with the stove, turning it on and off. He asked the dean of students if he could set fires by using his bow and drill, a skill he had learned in the wilderness. His intent seemed obvious-rather than leaving school voluntarily, Jason wanted to be expelled. It seemed certain that the behavior would escalate if he were allowed to remain. The decision to expel Jason was in keeping with the treatment principle that there are consequences for behavior. Students, parents, and staff were notified before any action was taken, and no one disagreed with the decision to expel him.

The president was faced with the dilemma of whether, and how, to report Jason's behavior to the engineering college. One option would have been to hide behind the shield of confidentiality, but it was felt that unsafe behavior does not warrant confidentiality. Additionally, notification was justified because Jason dropped four courses, which, if not explained, would have resulted in his acceptance being rescinded. Finally, there was the importance of maintaining a relationship with this college so others could attend.

At the same time, the president was aware of his reactions to Jason, which included disappointment, betrayal, anger at not being appreciated for convincing the college to grant a generous scholarship, and rage at being placed in a most uncomfortable position. He knew no one would criticize him if he urged the college to rescind admission, but knew this consequence was extreme since the family could not afford to pay tuition. It is dubious if Jason would have attended college. After careful consideration, the president wrote a letter to the dean of admissions at the college, explaining the reasons for the expulsion, reviewing the factors in Jason's background that have made it difficult for him to succeed academically and socially, and recommending that he reapply to JDA and complete a postgraduate year before attempting college. Included in the letter were the following statements.

Please be advised.. .if I thought Jason were "too dangerous" or "too sick," not only would I notify _____college, but also would refuse to give him the option to return to Dewey....Jason's refusal to comply is motivated by fear to trust others and to be emotionally vulnerable, not defiance. The only time Jason cried was when he was confronted about his reluctance to trust.. .because he feared friends would abandon and betray him... .If permitted to attend college, I suggest Jason be required to continue psychotherapy. He needs to resolve his fear of intimacy, not because he is a threat to safety. Jason and his mother will receive a copy of this letter, so hopefully both will communicate with you. I warned Jason that [college] may rescind his acceptance....

I would be willing to accompany Jason for a conference, with anyone you think makes sense, to discuss options. Undeniably, Jason is a disappointment, but I hasten to mention that several have graduated in Jason's position needing to do more work therapeutically. In college, they excelled. His prognosis remains guarded....! conclude...by stating that he has learned much.

The president would have been wrong to suggest rejection essentially because the decision is that of the college, not the preparatory school. To recommend rejection would have been an abuse of psychotherapeutic power. Post hoc, the president knew that had he become retaliatory, his motivation would have been revenge for Jason's disrespect and lack of appreciation regarding his advocacy, which had resulted in Jason's being awarded a $160,000 four-year scholarship. Had he urged that Jason be rejected, which was warranted, Jason's future would have been ruined, because without a scholarship, it would have been impossible for him to attend college. The president retained his therapeutic integrity by reporting what happened, but refraining from recommending any action. The college decided to continue to extend its offer of admission and a scholarship, and Jason plans to completed the required work and attended. Subsequently, he attained a 3.8 average which puts him on the dean's list. The president assumed an aggressive advocate stance, advocating that he become a resident assistant in the dorms. Jason has visited the John Dewey Academy six times during the year because he wants to "give back" to the school which helped him mature. He has forgiven the president and now recognizes the confrontations were expressions of concern.

Discussion

It is premature to know whether Jason will be a "success" or a "failure." Undeniably, Jason was helped by confrontation because he excelled and was admitted by a college of quality. How much has this adolescent grown, and what the quality of his interpersonal relationships will be, has not been determined. Judicious handling of this complicated situation has avoided the preclusion of future educational, professional, and social successes.

This kind of confrontation is justified when the adolescent remains intransigent or engages in extremely dangerous behavior. Alexander (1950) describes a patient who was irritating and engaged in regressive behavior. When the patient complained that no one liked him, rather than commiserating, Alexander opines that no one liked him because he was unpleasant. Subsequently the patient established a positive treatment alliance. Hearing the truth from a caring professional enabled the patient to trust and to move forward. Corwin (1991) labels this kind of intervention heroic: "When such statement is made, it is an emergency situation....The analyst knows it, the patient is...aware....But both know the moment it is uttered that it may have a prophetic significance for the patient....It implies that a psychic reaction must lead toward the establishment of a working alliance" (p. 83). We have utilized this sort of radical intervention for six seniors in past years, all of whom eventually returned to graduate. We believe Jason will not be an exception.

Critics contend that confrontation is controversial, counter therapeutic, and cruel punishment which often brutalizes persons-in-treatment. Confrontation attempts to modify irresponsible, impulsive, immature, stupid and self-destructive behavior. Confrontation penetrates denial, distortion, and dysfunctional attitudes. Critics protest, furthermore, that the use of confrontation is prompted by a negative countertransference reaction. Confrontation has been labeled "attack therapy" for pejorative reasons. Opponents of "attack therapy" do not under-stand is that confrontation has proven effective to eradicate malignant, dangerous, vicious attitudes and acts. While some critics condemn confrontation to be "cruel," they need to remember that Dewey students have engaged in dangerous, often death-defying behavior which demands heroic intervention. Unless the therapist can persuade the youth to avoid a collision course with disaster, there can be profoundly serious consequences. The primary goal of psychotherapy is to preserve life, so desperate and heroic treatment interventions are required for this difficult-to-treat population. When viewed from this humanistic perspective, confrontation connotes caring by the therapist who attempts to convince the adolescent to become more responsible, responsive, and respectful.[/list][/size]

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* Alternate source for this article, since the link in the OP appears to no longer be active:

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Confrontation-A potent psychotherapeutic approach with difficult adolescents" by Thomas Edward Bratter and Lisa Sinsheimer; in Adolescent Psychiatry, vol. 30, edited by Lois T. Flaherty, pp 103-116; ©2008 by Taylor & Francis Group, LLC[/list]

More information can be found in an earlier article by the same reporter:

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Cincinnati.com
Scientology church coming to Florence

5:21 PM, Jan. 7, 2012
Written by Mark Hansel

The Church of Scientology will open a new regional facility next month in Florence.

The controversial church has scheduled a grand opening event on Saturday, Feb. 11, at the church, 283 Main St., in a building previously occupied by the Florence Baptist Church.

Nick Banks, a spokesman for the Church of Scientology, said the Florence site was chosen for a number of reasons.

“We needed a building in the 50,000-square-foot range, and this beautiful former Baptist Church in Florence is just perfect,” Banks said. “The square footage is definitely adequate for our purposes, there is ample parking and it’s accessible to our parishioners from all around Greater Cincinnati and the wider five-state area we serve.”

The group purchased the building from Florence Baptist Church, which relocated to a new facility on Mt. Zion Road, for $1.64 million in June 2009. Renovation began in April of last year and costs were estimated at $6.5 million, according to documents submitted to the Boone County Building Department.

“The work has included a full renovation of the interiors including extensive structural work needed to adapt the entire building for our use,” Banks said. “We are also doing a complete upgrade of the interior, including all new HVAC, electrical and plumbing, and new interior finishes.”

The building includes three floors plus one partial floor and an attic. The 7,426-square-foot chapel, which seats more than 600, will be located on the second floor.

The executive director of the new facility, which will be called the Church of Scientology of Greater Cincinnati, is the Rev. Jeanie Sonenfild.

Banks said the building will serve as more than just a place of worship.

“These churches are established for our parishioners to practice their religion as well as to serve their surrounding communities,” Banks said.

Outreach efforts include the Say No to Drugs, Say Yes to Life program, a human rights education campaign and a volunteer minister program.

The Scientology religion, known for some of its high-profile celebrity members, was founded by author and philosopher L. Ron Hubbard and the first Church of Scientology was formed in Los Angeles in 1954. The religion has since expanded to more than 9,000 churches, missions and affiliated groups, with members in 165 countries.

The group opened its first area facility in Cincinnati in 1980 and Banks said it now has approximately 14,000 parishioners in the area served by this church, which includes Southern Ohio and parts of Kentucky, Indiana West Virginia and Virginia.

The church will provide a full battery of introductory Scientology services along with congregational ceremonies and a Sunday service. Scientology does not require worship, and many in the congregation served by this regional facility are from outside of the Greater Cincinnati area.

Banks said Scientology addresses the spirit — not the body or mind — and believes that man is more than a product of his environment or his genes. Scientology is based on core beliefs that are identified by the church as fundamental truths.

These include the belief that man is an immortal spiritual being, whose experience extends well beyond a single lifetime and that his capabilities are unlimited, even if not presently realized.

The ultimate goal of Scientology, Banks said, is true spiritual enlightenment and freedom for all.

Officials from the City of Florence declined to comment on the group’s decision to relocate to the city, but Banks said the church has received positive feedback from within the community.

“We have experienced a very warm reception from the Greater Cincinnati area, as well as from the people we have met in Florence,” Banks said. “In fact, we have already made contact with many people in the community who have been very welcoming and most helpful.”

The Church of Scientology has been a source of controversy throughout its existence and there have been challenges to its status as tax-exempt religious organization. Opponents contend that it is a business and should not be granted the status.

The U.S. Government stripped the church of its tax-exempt status at one point. The church eventually regained the status after legal battles that lasted for decades.


Copyright © 2012 nky.cincinnati.com.

When does someone other then Dannys friends call IBcuy to validate whether Juan went to Elan or not.

So... I'm curious: How and why did Juan Ferreyra, originally from Argentina (?), end up at Elan School during his adolescence ... Elan School being located in the northeast corner of the United States?

Was Ferreyra already in the U.S. shortly prior, perhaps attending boarding school? Did some person or persons recommend Elan School to his parents? Did his family happen to have friends or relatives in the state of Maine?

Humor me, I'm ignorant about these facts... Can anyone shed some light as to the precipitating circumstances?

Ohhh... I came across an interesting website lately, namely:

• http://www.fornits.org

Despite being registered* to a "privacy conscious" company based in Toronto, Ontario, it appears to be run and maintained by a

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Is this the same Teleflex that makes marine steering cables and controls?

Yes!

Not only did Elan let me smoke, they bought me cigarettes. It was frowned on for kids to smoke, even then, so it never made sense to me until I read the CIA brief on brainwashing, and how to use cigarettes in the process

Chris Rock said "If Philip Morris was a bunch of country niggers, they'd have been hung"

If these people are sitting on that great fortune, how do you stop them?

That's what I want to know.

No wonder Judy Meyer dropped the story

I'll do anything I can to help, but I have no plan for these people. Not one that will work

Back during my days at Hyde, smoking was not allowed. Another student has reported that it was allowed for Senior Leadership, to be done "discretely" (possibly 'cuz a good number of those kids were at least 19), but that was not something I was privy to at the time. Iirc, kids who were caught smoking were even put on work crew (now known as "2-4"), but I may have an incomplete memory of the circumstances (i.e., there may have been other contributory "offenses"). I have no idea as to how this rule is interpreted these days.

Do you have a link to "the CIA brief on brainwashing, and how to use cigarettes in the process?"

Comments left for the above article, "Paul Babeu's Mexican Ex-Lover Says Sheriff's Attorney Threatened Him With Deportation" (by Monica Alonzo, Feb 16 2012, Phoenix New Times), #s 331-360:


Mary · 3 days ago

I have no problem with any of these guys being gay. My problem is that the sheriff (Babeu) is a lying S.O.B. and he should not be in law enforcement. Poor Jose!

Chico · 3 days ago in reply to Mary

All pigs- cops are SOBs. you just haven't been around enough in the ghetto hood on the poor side of the tracks. cops are assholes with an limp dick inferiority complex. thats why they become pigs so they can compensate for their mass insecurity by wearing a badge a gun and be on a power trip over the rest of society. better known as little man broke dick limp dick syndrome.

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bigbubbatadsworth · 3 days ago

What is it, about these republican hypocrites? They hate gays, and then we find out, that they are gay. If republicans vehemently hate a particular group, they are usually part of that group. They hate what and who, they are. These clowns, need counseling.

Thesis · 2 days ago in reply to bigbubbatadsworth

Ah, the people in the republican party who hate gays, aren't the gays themselves - not too hard to wrap your mind around, is it? The tiny fringe of religious radicals have taken over, and pushed the moderate republicans into the dem party. Which is why the dems now have Obama, because he sure isn't a democrat.

And the democratic party needs major counseling. They pretend to be for gays, women, blacks, EVERYbody, but it's all words. If they addressed the concerns of these groups, they wouldn't be able to keep them in the party. Now they've got them thinking, where else are you going to go? trying to keep them in the dem party. But they don't like them or do anything for them.

The parties are the same. They are rich people who are in it for themselves. They bring out wedge issues to get us to vote for one side or the other - but they are more alike than different. It's all games with them.

Former dem/now independent since 2008 when the Obamacrats hijacked the dem party and stole Hillary's delegates (I saw it live on CNN May 31, 2008) to force Obama over the line, even though Hillary won the popular vote and neither one had enough delegates. Never again will I believe that the dems are "the good guys". Both parties suck.

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naithom · 3 days ago

OK, he chooses to start a relationship with someone he knows to be undocumented, uses him for unpaid work and the threatens him and his family after the boyfriend discovers he's cheating.

I'm counting civil rights violations, DOL violations, felonies, as well as the general hypocrisy. Well done, Sheriff, you are another true blue family values politician!

tdj · 3 days ago in reply to naithom

Actually, the ex-boyfriend does have a visa.

Thesis · 2 days ago in reply to tdj

I have heard that too, but then why is he afraid of the deportation threat and why has he hired himself an attorney to prevent that deportation?

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Lakewood Twoonesix · 3 days ago in reply to naithom

Jose is stating that his visa is still valid. Considering he hired an attorney, he's probably telling the truth.

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Lawrence Liles · 3 days ago

Another law and order hypocrite exposed

Cockbreath · 3 days ago in reply to Lawrence Liles

Earth is really called planet hypocrite.

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soondalo · 3 days ago

It's not a good time to be Paul and Joe right now.

Cockbreath · 3 days ago in reply to soondalo

Joe seems to be the good guy now. this takes some of the heat off of him.

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Jsmith · 3 days ago

He doesn't hate Mexicans at all,,, well cute ones.

MARTinNJ · 3 days ago in reply to Jsmith

Can you get more pathetic: "I want to have sex with you hot thing you, but if you tell people I am having sex with you, I will use my position in the government to get your foreign-born butt deported."

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LiberalTexasDemocrat · 3 days ago

Is there a Republican out there who doesn't have a secret boyfriend? This is really getting old. It's like the Republican party is the closet of last resort for insecure, self loathing, gay men.

Cockbreath · 3 days ago in reply to LiberalTexasDemocrat

most are in the closet fags.

Cockbreath · 3 days ago in reply to Cockbreath

and or chomo child molesters.

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Angelica915 · 3 days ago in reply to LiberalTexasDemocrat

They already have a club for gay self-loathing men....it's called the Log Cabin Republicans!

Rufftuffcreempuff · 3 days ago in reply to Angelica915

Brown logs that come out of ones ass type logs perhaps?

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mikefrombisbee · 3 days ago

A literal, as well as figurative teabagger.

I could care less who he wakes up with in the morning. But he is living a lie and is willing to put himself in the limelight as a conservative-nativist darling while hiding in the closet. Whatcha bet America's self-proclaimed toughest sheriff used his knowledge of Babeau's secret life as leverage to get him a wash job during the "investigation" following the Munnell memo.

Hypocrisy, thy name is tea bagger.

1000 yards · 3 days ago

Well Sheriff Ba-blew, Hang up your political career. You see we are deluged with low or no-morality folks in Washington already. I have no problem with your being gay, but trying to hide it because you thought it would harm your career, was an intential attempt to hide (why) who you are. You've crossed the thin line pal, already trying to alter public perception! Ethic problem too?
I am but one vote, but I will raise up many; again not because you are Gay, but because of your thinking and acctions regarding the matter!

Joe to Paul · 3 days ago

If you had been an honest man, you would have come out sooner. Not after being exposed! You are nothing but a hypocrite. Arresting latins at the border while enjoying sexual acts with them. It's not that your gay, its that you are a phony. And you want to run for congress? You say you did not do anything illegal. Yet you know as a lawman that you cannot send pictures of your porn over airwaves or any other waves. That is a crime. All I saw behind you were sad faces knowing what they were saying about you was false. By the way how are Pearce and Arpaio?

Rainkitten · 3 days ago

Heinz should be investigated imo.

Bfkron · 3 days ago

Well well well. Another gay blade from the Gay old Party who hate gays. What a bunch of hypocrites. Larry Craig, Mark Foley, etc. etc. The gayest party of all but they preach the family values to the hilt if you get the drift.

MARTinNJ · 3 days ago in reply to Bfkron

Let's not forget last week's Texas right-wing anti-gay radio commentator banging up the bouncer's car outside the gay bar after the right-winger leaves the bar....and him leaving the bar is on video tape. Thank you Jesus!.

DNichols · 3 days ago in reply to MARTinNJ

Babeu may want to stear clear of Texas, Rednecks, and log chains behind 4x4s?

A Gay Red Neck Sheriff!

My God, this is better than when "Slick Willy" was Prez., or even the Mesa Az. Fire Chief caught hosing out the Fire inside his 15 year old Neighbor girls Sheep!

Arizona is the "Best"!!!

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mjcc1987 · 3 days ago

Interesting here. When you create a climate of hate and fear such as Arizona has, taking advantage of those "intimidated" becomes much easier. I suspect if we look a little harder, we will find many more examples of Hispanics being used in this manner, "do as I say or I will have you deported" is the new slavery for Arizona. Labor can be even cheaper if you have "them" deported AFTER they've done the work.

DNichols · 3 days ago in reply to mjcc1987

In this case the work is very, very Dirty No?

Thesis · 2 days ago in reply to mjcc1987

The guy had a visa all that time. It just recently expired. It's time for him to go back home anyway.

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Attorney · 3 days ago

This is a disgusting article and not news worthy. Who cares if Babeau is gay? Who cares if he cheated on his boyfriend, who is clearly a manipulative jerk? New Times needs to find real news. If there was a real abuse of power by a sheriff, there are way better means of relief than going to this rag. New Times is enabling pettiness. Gross.

© 2012 Phoenix New Times, LLC, All rights reserved.

In fact, there has been SOooo much construction, that some adjacent property owners feel Hyde School is to blame for their condos being flooded in the aftermath of heavy rains:

From: "Condo complex blames water problems on neighboring school" (by Caroline Cornish; March 8, 2011; WLBZ2.com)[/list]

See also: • Is Hyde School being a *bad* neighbor?