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News Items / Military school seeks gag order in abuse lawsuit
« on: March 19, 2012, 02:54:58 PM »
Here's the short AP teaser, prior to publication of a longer article by Mike Strand the following day:

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Salina Journal
Military school seeks gag order in abuse lawsuit

3/15/2012
By the Associated Press


KANSAS CITY, Kan. — St. John's Military school in Salina is asking a federal judge to bar the plaintiffs and lawyers in a lawsuit alleging abuse of former cadets from talking publicly about the case.

Attorneys for St. John's filed a motion Thursday in federal court in Kansas City seeking a gag order in the lawsuit by parents claiming their sons were repeatedly beaten by higher-ranking students in charge of discipline.

U.S. District Judge John Lungstrum scheduled a Tuesday hearing on the motion.

St. John's contends public discussion would prejudice its ability to get a fair trial. The school issued a statement Wednesday saying it was studying the allegations but denying the existence of a "culture of abuse."

St. John's has settled nine other lawsuits filed since 2006 alleging abuse.


Read more about the lawsuit in Friday's Journal.


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The Troubled Teen Industry / Congressman Nick Rahall
« on: March 19, 2012, 02:39:07 PM »
Well... I tend to think that Rahall's primary concern in that Inspector General Investigation Request probably had to do with the land usage.

I don't actually know this for a fact, or at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that Congressman George Miller may have leaned on Rahall to get involved in order to increase the clout of the request.

Congressman Nick Rahall was a Member of the House Natural Resources Committee for 34 years, being Chairman for the last four of which. None of his advocacy work has had anything whatsoever to do with the troubled teen industry or anything even remotely connected to it. It just doesn't appear to be on his radar...

Some further reading:

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News Items / St. John's says lawsuit claims are being investigated
« on: March 18, 2012, 10:29:54 PM »
From a statement issued by St. John's Military School:

    "St. John's denies that there was a culture of abuse, lack of institutional control, failure to supervise or any kind of cover-up as alleged by the attorney for the parents who have sued"...[/list][/size]
    When ya don't have anything more definitive or conclusive to say, just deny, deny, and deny some more...

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    Salina Journal
    St. John's says lawsuit claims are being investigated

    3/15/2012
    By the Salina Journal


    Allegations of abuse of students contained in a lawsuit filed last week in federal court in Kansas City are being investigated, and attorneys for St. John's Military School will file a formal response to each allegation within days, according to a statement issued Tuesday by the school.

    "St. John's denies that there was a culture of abuse, lack of institutional control, failure to supervise or any kind of cover-up as alleged by the attorney for the parents who have sued," the statement, issued in an email, said.

    The lawsuit, which describes St. John's Military School as a place where experienced students - called "Disciplinarians" -- regularly abuse new students, was filed on behalf of four former cadets at the military school, who were identified only by their initials and the names of their parents. Two of the former students are from Colorado, and one each is from Texas and Illinois.

    The suit alleges that the Disciplinarians beat the younger students at the school and that school administrators "conspire with certain students" to beat students who complained.

    "St. John's is determined to defend itself against the allegations contained in the lawsuit and is confident that this matter will be properly and justly resolved through the legal system," the statement said.

    Defendants named in the suit include St. John's, the Episcopal Church of the United States and the Episcopal Diocese of Kansas, because of the school's church affiliation.

    Wednesday afternoon the Episcopal Diocese of Kansas issued a statement saying its listing as a defendant in the lawsuit is inaccurate.

    "The inclusion of the Diocese of Kansas is a mistake, since the school is not connected to this diocese but is instead associated with the Episcopal Diocese of Western Kansas," the diocese's statement said.

    An attorney representing the Episcopal Diocese of Kansas has contacted the plaintiffs' attorney to ask that the filing be corrected, the statement said.

    The lawsuit seeks a judgment in excess of $75,000, plus court costs and punitive damages, on each of several counts. The minimum amount required for a claim to be filed in federal court is $75,000.

    St. John's, which was founded in 1887, has been "dedicated to the development of young men" for more than 120 years, according to the school's statement.

    The school's "objective is to provide a rigorous academic environment, opportunity for religious introspection and structured campus life to help develop young men with the highest degree of self-discipline and self-confidence," the statement said.

    Recently, the 123rd Corps of Cadets earned the highest Annual Formal Inspection score of any military school in the country from the U.S. Army Cadet Command, the statement said. The school is accredited by both the Kansas Department of Education and AdvancED.


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    49
    Quote from: "Woof-a-Doof"
    Quote from: "Anonymous"
    I was in Straight back in 1977 in a metal bld somewhere in St. pete. does anyone know where this bld was located? any address would help I wanted to go back and check out what hell hole it was , kinda like going over to Poland and visiting the oshwitz camp.
    It was the Rayhall building, just north of of Tyrone Blvd, and Park Street Intersection. Excact address I am less sure of. I was in the building directly across the street. For a long time it was owned by Silor Optical, as to who owns it now...I dunno. The building you refer and the one I was in still remain. I have seen them from the road...
    Quote from: "85 Day Jerk"
    Yeah, there was a falling out between Sembler and Rahall, or simply the fact that Rahall sold Channel 10 and WLCY Studios.  Whatever the reasons, the program was moved across the was to the Milton Roy Corporation building...
    From what I understand (which is undoubtedly woefully incomplete), there were three Rahall brothers who were involved together in various enterprises in the "communications industry," and at least two of whom appear to have had some involvement with Straight. They originally hailed from West Virginia.

    I'm guessing that Sam G. Rahall was the one most involved, given that he was on Straight's BOD, but perhaps I'm wrong? How many Rahall kids went through the program?

    50
    Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: 32 Years Ago I sat on Front Row
    « on: March 18, 2012, 09:43:58 PM »
    Quote from: "Sam Kinison"
    Jeff Rahall was my first oldcomer.He split while on Staff Trainee
    If I'm not mistaken, Jeff's dad was Farris E. Rahall? Unless there were/are more Jeffs in that generation, which is certainly possible. It is a large family. And Sam G. Rahall was on Straight, Inc.'s BOD...

    Of possible interest regarding Rahall family particulars: Re. Congressman Nick Rahall

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Nick J. Rahall — Sam G. Rahall
    « on: March 18, 2012, 09:32:38 PM »
    Excerpts from the above press release* originally posted by Deborah, emphasis added:

      October 11, 2007

      U.S. Reps. George Miller (D-CA) and
    Nick Rahall (D-WV) today asked the Inspectors General at the U.S. Departments of the Interior and Agriculture to launch investigations into private residential treatment programs for children that operate on federal land. The request comes one day after the release of a government report that documented cases of fatal child abuse and neglect in such programs, including deaths that occurred on federal property.

    < snip snip >

    Miller is the chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. He requested the GAO report in 2005 and he convened yesterday's hearing. Rahall is the chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee. The chairmen made their request to the Inspectors General in a letter delivered today.[/list][/size]
    I've good reason to believe that Congressman Nick J. Rahall, the Chairman of the Committee on Natural Resources in 2007, is a very close relative of Sam G. Rahall, former Straight parent and on Straight, Inc.'s Board of Directors during the same time period as Joseph Zappala, not to mention being a familial namesake of the "Rahall Warehouse," of which some former clients have not so fond memories of...


    ----------------------------
    * Original post neglected to include source link and appropriate title. Said omission here rectified:

      Press Release - Thursday, October 11, 2007

      Chairmen Miller & Rahall Request Inspector General Investigation into Teen Residential Treatment Programs on Federal Land[/list][/size]

      52
      News Items / Comments: "Ex-St. John's cadets claim they were beaten"
      « on: March 18, 2012, 04:49:26 PM »
      Comments left for the above article, "Ex-St. John's cadets claim they were beaten" (by Michael Strand, 3/14/2012, Salina Journal), #s 21-40:


      Ashton McKinney · Works at Truluck's · Wednesday at 9:01pm
        Haahah thats hillarious
        William Heath · Heath Motorsports and Automotive at Self  · 8 hours ago
          none of this is funny! in 1988 a kid wanted out so he grabbed a suger shaker and broke it on
          my head, after i kicked his ass i went to the infurmery where i got sowed up by the time i got back that cadet was on the first plane home! three years later i was a senior cadet and we did not issue beatings,but we were allowed to give the troubled cadets motivational seminars which included running,push ups.tourz outside commandants office and house and extra duty. We didnt have all this bs these kidz were saying and u can ask all cadets then we had tough leadership. now they have cameras everywhere and cadets cannot discipline other cadets,all power has besn taken away and as such is a glorified prep school with rotc compared to my day!
        William Heath · Heath Motorsports and Automotive at Self · 8 hours ago
          I know how new cadets r the push the rules and act like babies when they get caught! there has been hazing in every military academy in the us,the difference is in college its just part of it,but these kids in hi school well all im gonna say is do your duty,your school work,and keep ur room up and your good to go. screw up and your unit or squad pays the price just like the military.hello people its military school,this school is last stop for some,and in my case sjms looked great on my resume when i served with the special forces,so say what you will i feal sjms needs more discipline and its time for us old boys to straiten out sjms to bring it back to glory! get rid of profiles,implement push ups and sit ups and give the cadets power to run their corp! i love sjms/forever bleed oranve and black!
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        Nick Z-Dro Zucker · Works at Being Poetic · Wednesday at 9:11pm
          the kid who ran on the highway was picked up by the commandant and he was never touched whatsoevver hes just another lieing little pussy tryying to get back at st johns cuz in reality he was a piece of shit.
          Josh Harris · 12 hours ago
            what i dont get is how do all of you talk about how you hate sjms and one day you'lll shut it down then someone tries and you sit there and guard the school like it's your home? and how do you know he wasn't touched? that was before you were on a.m.s....
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          Nick Payan · Wednesday at 9:42pm
            No comment ^ but I was the best SDI ever! Just saying
          Kaleeb Steele · Wednesday at 11:31pm
            These "allegations" are by far the stupidest things I've heard!!... hope these people lose their lawsuit!!
          Jonathon Daniel Frank · Forward Observer at United States Army · Thursday at 12:48am
            When I was the BC, no such thing happened. Same when I was the CO of Bravo. These kids just want to leave. SJMS is hard to adjust to, and some people just can't take the pressure. I happily attended SJMS for 3 years, and will do whatever I can to defend such an excellent school against these allegations.
            Collin Cooper · Sales Associate at GO Toyota Scion Arapahoe · Thursday at 7:24am
              Some bullshit! If only I had another 5 years at St johns! That place was home to many of us. It was only so sad for the kids that didn't want to follow the rules. Can't believe this shit.
            Kaleeb Steele · Thursday at 12:42pm
              Agreed,! I had some hard times my first few weeks there, but i was NEVER to the extent of the B.S. I just read. Kinda pisses me off
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            Jesse Chisholm · Denver, Colorado · Thursday at 12:58am
              RAT 4 LIFE! kids need to man the f@## up!
            Heath Holmes · Manager at Maverick Enrgy LLC · Thursday at 4:48am
              The worst punishment I ever saw at sjms was pushups running and marching the grinder. These kids claims are completely bogus. It's not sjms fault that some kids can't deal with new places.
            Heath Holmes · Manager at Maverick Enrgy LLC · Thursday at 4:55am
              Not to mention it would be impossible for any such beatings to go on. There are cameras in every inch of the place and adults patrolling nonstop. The have bruise checks once a week. You could not get away with slaping a kid without being seen. Id go to court for sjms
              Anthony Peoples · Bellevue West Senior High School · Thursday at 10:02am
                Holmes you know very well what went on at that school. I know from first hand exp.
              Heath Holmes · Manager at Maverick Enrgy LLC · Thursday at 10:59am
                Get a clue ? I was there 2 years and I was one of these so called disaplanaries I was an Sdi the worst punishment I ever gave was pt
              [/list]
              Spencer Gunn · University of Colorado at Boulder · Thursday at 8:05am
                I am willing to testify against such crap!
              Francisco Puente · Mexico City, Mexico · Yesterday at 7:21am
                Last August my son entered SJ for only one year. Immediately he openly hated the system, SJ conditions where by far tougher than he expected. Yesterday to our surprise, he told me he's considering the possibility to stay for another year! We could not believe it. It's obvious to me, once the kids adjust, SJ grows on them.
              George Lang · Enrolled for phlabotamy and athletic training · 10 hours ago
                I was a cadet at sjms in the 1980s and never had any thing like that happen. kids ill bet hese boys just didn't like the idea of being told what to do all the time and want to ggeyt back at the school.
              George Lang · Enrolled for phlabotamy and athletic training · 10 hours ago
                this old boy will gladly testifie on behalf of sjms.
              Daniel Ditto · 9 hours ago
                I went to sjms from 1987 to 1995 and nne of this ever happened and am still very much involved with sjms and I wil ltestify in court on sjms behalf.


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              News Items / Comments: "Ex-St. John's cadets claim they were beaten"
              « on: March 18, 2012, 04:42:46 PM »
              A fraternity of SJMS apologists tries to defend the good name of their alma mater by attacking the alleged victims. Good one.

              Might they have learned at least some of this honorable behavior ... while ensconced in the hallowed halls of St. John's?

               :dose:

              Comments left for the above article, "Ex-St. John's cadets claim they were beaten" (by Michael Strand, 3/14/2012, Salina Journal), #s 1-20:


              Michael Lynn Carroll · Wednesday at 7:07am
                NO WAY....St. John's Military School. They are such RICH outstanding young men.
              Kimberly Rodriguez Trigg · Kansas State University · Wednesday at 1:27pm
                Really? Really? It's sad really sad that these kids had to go through this type of abuse, these kids that took part in the beatings are being shown that this behavior is ok.
              Reddit TroubledTeens · Wednesday at 2:59pm
                It sounds like the abuse at St. John's Military School is systematic and has been going on for decades. In 2004 it came out that the abuse had been happening for 10 years, there were 28 cases of abuse reported, and now this is the tenth lawsuit against St. John's! More info & links to articles here:
              viewtopic.php?f=49&t=39191&p=415084#p415084.[/list]
                Reddit TroubledTeens · Wednesday at 8:58pm
                  Rex Scates Whups, yes, the link I gave you would've required you to scroll up for more info, sorry I meant to give the main link--but this one will require you to scroll down:
                viewtopic.php?f=49&t=39191&start=0

                Within that thread, it says:

                Source KWCH-TV (Wichita, KS)
                State KS
                Year 2004

                "This KWCH investigation revealed a 10-year pattern of abuse at a Kansas military school. A tip from a former employee of the school prompted the TV station to FOIA police records, which noted 28 cases of abuse including boys being beaten with broomsticks, burned with lighters and kicked repeatedly."

                source: http://www.ire.org/resource-center/stories/21860

                The article above says "St. John's has settled nine such cases since 2006."

                Thanks for asking for more info. Yes, I would think the authorities would be all over this place, it's unfathomable that KS lets St. John's stay open this long.[/list]
                Patrick Harden · Oklahoma State University · Wednesday at 10:20pm
                  Reddit TroubledTeens SJMS is a great institution. Yeah, it sucked, but we all had to deal with it. It was very common for cadets to create fanatical stories in order to leave the school, I did it myself too during my first year. Some cadets will just go to extraordinary lengths to leave, and this article is a representation of it.
                Reddit TroubledTeens · Thursday at 7:42am
                  Patrick Harden Thanks for sharing your experience. I've been studying places like St. John's for about a year now and ten lawsuits against a single facility is a lot. Does St. John's require cadets who have been there longer to supervise newer cadets? Why do kids want to leave so badly they are willing to say or do anything?
                Rex Scates · Top Commenter · Owner-Operator at BC Marketplace and Almost Forever Jewelry · Thursday at 8:22am
                  Reddit TroubledTeens look up JROTC its part of the program that occurs at JROTC programs they are required to supervisor lower 'ranked" kids. yes in many public highschools across the USA in JROTC supervise lower ranked kids. Yes they are not boarding schools but the idea is still the same. If you want to be a leader (higher ranked" you are required to "supervise" lower ranked kids. FYI this supervising is overseen by adults who are around all the time. supervise is in " ". Now ROTC in college they are all adults so no adult supervision except by real military people who train those ROTC leaders in college. But the idea is the same
                Heath Holmes · Manager at Maverick Enrgy LLC · Thursday at 5:05pm
                  I was there for two years and I am one of these disaplanaries I supervised about 30 kids of lower rank. The worst punishment a kid was ever given on my watch was push UPS and marching circles on their Saturdays. And yes I was around all the time cause I lived ate and slept in the same place as some of these kids. Hell you wanna know why kids want out and will do anything to get out? Cause its not like home were you do what you want and get away with murder. I caught a kid shoving a lightbulb up his ass and stopped him while reporting it to adults his reason was he was going to tell his parents he was raped so he could leave cause that's the only equipment he could go home. I've toured the new dorms and the is no plqce in there that is not under video watch and adult supervision. These allegations agaisnt sjms are 110% false qnd I have 1000 other cadets who will agree
                [/list]
                Reddit TroubledTeens · Wednesday at 3:15pm
                  People should know that abuse like this is happening in teen modification centers all over the country. There are 10,000-100,000 kids being held in facilities designed to 'break' them. It's a billion-dollar industry with big politicians profiting (Romney, Santorum). More info here:
                http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/c ... _like_most.[/list]
                Allen Von · St. Johns · Wednesday at 5:34pm
                  WOW! this is ridiculous.
                  Edward Durney · Marcus High School · Wednesday at 5:48pm
                    yeah of course cadets at st john's piss on other cadets i mean that's the only logical explanation!
                  Jonah Comeaux · SJMS · Wednesday at 8:10pm
                    Its amazing what the outside world thinks about St. Johns, kids are just exxagerating this crap and its funny how the outside world beleives it.
                  [/list]
                  Connor Dempsey · Wednesday at 5:54pm
                    Kids will say anything to leave... And what the hell is a disciplinarain??
                    John Panda RB Sun · Wednesday at 6:01pm
                      thats fucking bullshit
                    Merrick Tgod Best · Houston, Texas · Wednesday at 6:03pm
                      Whaaaat
                    Allen Von · St. Johns · Wednesday at 6:28pm
                      The reporter's formal way of calling cadet staffs
                    Connor Dempsey · Wednesday at 9:50pm
                      that reporter is dumb... Kids will b kids, but tgeres dedenately more violence at any other public school.
                    [/list]
                    Dean Perez · Wednesday at 8:05pm
                      haha too funnny I fucked so many kids up there lol.
                      Dillon Ash · Wednesday at 8:08pm
                        rofl!!!! xD theyre talking about you shean
                      [/list]
                      Dylan Yohe · Fist Pumper at Club Karma · Wednesday at 8:59pm
                        Lmfao what they're sueing over happened like everyday :p


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                      News Items / Ex-St. John's cadets claim they were beaten
                      « on: March 18, 2012, 12:03:12 PM »
                      Here's a small collection of Salina Journal articles, starting off with a particularly excellent one by Mike Strand that I neglected to include earlier:

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                      Salina Journal
                      Ex-St. John's cadets claim they were beaten

                      3/14/2012
                      By MICHAEL STRAND



                      Derek Wolfe a St. John's Military School cadet from Evergreen, Colo. runs toward his company's formation after his name was called Tuesday afternoon during the forming of the corps ceremony at the school. The ceremony marks the beginning of each school year at St. John's Military School. (photo by Jeff Cooper, Salina Journal)

                      A lawsuit filed last week in federal court in Kansas City describes St. John's Military School as a place where experienced students -- called "Disciplinarians" -- regularly abuse new students and administrators "conspire with certain students" to beat students who complain.

                      School President Andy England said he didn't have any immediate comment and was meeting with legal counsel to decide what the school's response would be.

                      The suit names as plaintiffs four former students at St. John's.

                      Two of the former students are from Colorado, and one each is from Texas and Illinois, though attorney Daniel Zmijewski said additional students could be added later. All of the cadets are listed only as being under the age of 18.

                      Defendants include St. John's, as well as the Episcopal Church of the United States, and the Episcopal Diocese of Kansas, because the school is affiliated with the Episcopal Church.

                      The lawsuit seeks a judgment in excess of $75,000, plus court costs and punitive damages, on each of several counts.

                      The minimum amount required for a claim to be filed in federal court is $75,000.

                      "These are only allegations at this point," Zmijewski said. "This is the pattern I've seen in the past, and what I've heard from these kids this time. I need to do a lot more discovery to confirm it."

                      Abuse was encouraged

                      "The school allows and encourages older students to abuse young students -- physically, mentally, emotionally and sexually," the lawsuit alleges. The suit does not claim any of the four defendants was sexually abused but that one of the students did witness an attempted rape.

                      "Although St. John's requests that students inform school personnel if beatings occur, it subsequently tells the Disciplinarians which individuals reported the beatings," the suit states. "It is commonly known throughout the school that if a student reports any beatings, he will suffer significant retribution."

                      The lawsuit also claims that if parents contact the school about abuse, that information is passed on to the Disciplinarians, "which results in additional abuse."

                      Gagged and beaten

                      One plaintiff, who attended St. John's in the spring of 2011, claims in the lawsuit that he was bound, gagged and beaten by several students, with photos posted to Facebook, forced to roll in mud, and then urinated on in the shower by several students.

                      Another plaintiff claims he attempted to leave the school and hitch-hike home and was apprehended by several students and a ranking faculty member on a highway. While being driven back to the school, he alleges that he was beaten, hooded and beaten again in the presence of the faculty member.

                      Another claims he was sent to the hospital with a broken eye socket after being kneed in the face by a ranking cadet.

                      Making up stories

                      In every case, the lawsuit claims, parents were told the cadets were exaggerating or making up stories because they wanted to go home.

                      Zmijewski said he filed a lawsuit against St. John's several years ago over similar allegations made by two cadets who are brothers; that case was settled.

                      "This case is similar, the same kind of allegations," Zmijewski said. "I don't think the school is going to be shocked by this."

                      In all, he said, St. John's has settled nine such cases since 2006.

                      Not the first suits

                      In 2004, two cadets claimed in lawsuits that they were beaten by fellow cadets.

                      In one case, a 14-year-old cadet claimed that he had his hands and feet bound with tape and was beaten with broomsticks and coat hangers, allegedly for breaking his marching rifle.

                      In a separate suit, a 15-year-old cadet claimed that he was choked unconscious and had his jaw fractured and teeth knocked out due to beating from a group of fellow cadets.

                      That boy received substantial medical reconstructive treatment, plastic surgery and dental implants due to the trauma he suffered, according a previous Journal story.

                      The Journal reported in 2004 that the suit alleged that cadets were forced to take part in beating other boys in order to avoid being beaten themselves.

                      -- Reporter Mike Strand can be reached at 822-1418 or by email at [email protected].


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                      The Seed Discussion Forum / Re: Some insight(s)
                      « on: March 18, 2012, 11:20:34 AM »
                      Originally posted some time ago; emphasis here added:
                      Quote from: "SMiamiPimp"
                      Hey, some of you tech wizards should start a digital archive.

                      Pictures
                      downloadable mpeg news reels
                      sounds bytes

                      I know you can convert 16 MM film to digital format.

                      Like the ability to download the Ralph Renick Seed news segment from the 70s. I know the archival footage has to be somewhere....

                      As part of this website......

                      Just a Christmas wish list.

                      I got the idea because I have started collecting Vince Lombardi speech MP3s and archival footage that has been digitized and it is pretty cool.
                      More discussion of that footage (and more) in the following thread:


                      56
                      The Seed Discussion Forum / Re: The Seed of Hope
                      « on: March 18, 2012, 10:51:20 AM »
                      From the above "Welcome" page posted by The Historical Seed Videos in January 2011:

                        Recently The Wolfson Archives, In conjunction with a private donor, restored "the Seed of Hope", a WTVJ Original Film. This film was shot in June of 1972, was produced by Francis Stone and "starred" Ralph Renick and of course, Art Barker and The Seed, a drug Rehab for mostly juveniles that was formed in 1970, in Ft. Lauderdale Florida.
                      [/size]
                      Reference to at least some of this footage appears to have been made in the following post from over half a dozen years ago in the "Some insight(s)" thread, emphasis here added:

                      Quote from: "SMiamiPimp"
                      Hey, some of you tech wizards should start a digital archive.

                      Pictures
                      downloadable mpeg news reels
                      sounds bytes

                      I know you can convert 16 MM film to digital format.

                      Like the ability to download the Ralph Renick Seed news segment from the 70s. I know the archival footage has to be somewhere....

                      As part of this website......

                      Just a Christmas wish list.

                      I got the idea because I have started collecting Vince Lombardi speech MP3s and archival footage that has been digitized and it is pretty cool.

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                      News Items / Comments: "Military School Seeks Gag Order..." (KAKE)
                      « on: March 17, 2012, 11:34:21 PM »
                      Comments left for the above article, "Military School Seeks Gag Order In Abuse Lawsuit" (March 14/15, 2012; Associated Press/KAKE.com):

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                      by Anonymous on Mar 14, 2012 at 12:18 PM
                        Minus the beating, this is Military School. Mental and Physical toughing is, but the beatings are wrong. Beatings are not a part of a Military School. They should be sued and there needs to be arrests made.
                      by Zack Location: Wichita on Mar 14, 2012 at 01:20 PM
                        It's a military school for crying out loud. I went in right after nam & remnants of the old "brown boot" army were still in the ranks. They turned boys into men back then & yea you got your feelings hurt & sometimes an ars whoopen as needed. By God the military did not get to the point (greatest fighting force on earth) we were at years ago by wussifing the troops. You want coddling? send em to the girl scouts!
                      by Anonymous on Mar 14, 2012 at 01:26 PM
                        So are the parents who sent the kid to MILITARY SCHOOL expecting them to be rocked to sleep and hugged when they do wrong. Military school is hardcore, and SHOULD be. Maybe it's the parents that need the beatings, not the kids....
                        by Anonymous on Mar 14, 2012 at 02:35 PM in reply to
                          You are expressing the sadistic and brutal mind set and actions those boys experienced from their tormentors. I have no respect for you or those bullies.
                        by anon on Mar 14, 2012 at 04:10 PM in reply to
                          My nephew was one of the boys represented in the earlier claims that were settled. He was BEATEN by bullies. I'm glad the academy is getting exposed again. It should never have happened in the first place.
                        [/list]
                        by john Location: kansas on Mar 14, 2012 at 01:54 PM
                          i spent four years at st. johns 1958 - 1961. at that time it was new boys and old boys. the cadet court handled any wrong doing made by the cadets. i know what i see at the school now is nothing like it was when i graduated. the uniforms are way out of style and the ribbons are way to many. it sounds like the disipline group is getting way out of hand. the school and the cadets need to return to the way it was back in the 50's and 60's.
                        by Anonymous on Mar 14, 2012 at 02:29 PM
                          why are most the kids there now. Its because the parents failed them by not believing in discipline. Had they disciplined the kids they wouldnt be there in the first place
                        by jeff Location: wichita on Mar 14, 2012 at 02:59 PM
                          even in the army, navy, and other branches of military you don't go around hitting other cadets. let the commandent of the cadets , and the cadet court handle the disciplin, not the cadets. if nthe teachers and other adults at the school are not handling the hitting of a lower cadet, then they must be removed.but i believe thqat mild form of hazing should be allowed.
                        by S on Mar 14, 2012 at 03:04 PM
                          Discipline should never be given out by another student. This gives too much power to a small group that are neither experienced enough or mature enough to handle this type of power. Should there be discipline in a militar school...yes...but "beatings" are not discipline, and a school is NOT the military. These schools should be the BEST examples of how schools should be run, they should instill a sense of pride and loyalty in both school and country...do you think that is what happenened in this situation? Of course the school should be demanding...but would YOU respond to beatings? Is this what you are recommending for these students so when they leave when they haven't learned to self discipline but only respond to abuse.
                        by john Location: kansas on Mar 14, 2012 at 03:37 PM
                          reply to anonymous @2.29pm. very few of the cadets are there because of being in trouble with the law or parents not believeing in discipline. i went because of the education. no more than 10 cadets in a class room, most of the teachers were military officers that lived there on the campus. also for one hour every night omitting wed and sat you had to be inyour room studing. this belief that you have is very wrong. one thing you are taught, before you can give a order, you had to learn to take a order.
                          by Anonymous on Mar 14, 2012 at 05:27 PM in reply to john
                            I bet the ones involved in the suit was sent there because there parents couldnt hadle them
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                          by Anonymous on Mar 14, 2012 at 08:33 PM
                            MAYBE THE PARENTS SHOULD HAVE HAD THEIR KIDS UNDER CONTROL AND THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO SEND THEM TO SJMS... ITS NOT A CAKEWALK...
                          by Anonymous on Mar 14, 2012 at 10:41 PM
                            This is a shame if it is true. I have a family member who went into St. John's in the early 90's. I know he was never beaten or abused there, and I just asked him (a grown man now) again tonight after reading this. When he was there, he wanted to stay longer than the original time he was given to be there. On "going home day", he told all of us several times that he wished he could stay. He enjoyed the camaraderie, the discipline (because it was done right), and the well balanced structure. It truly made him a much more responsible man than he would have been had he stayed home, and his parents dealt with him on their own. He knows that, I know that, and I hope the school rectifies this problem, and takes it back to the status it was in when he was there. I saw many bright young men, who were on a bad path going in, and they were on the right path when they went home.
                          by Me Location: Me on Mar 15, 2012 at 12:00 AM
                            Chokehold
                          by john Location: kansas on Mar 15, 2012 at 07:56 AM
                            reply to anonymous mar 14 10.41 pm. very well said. that is how i felt when i went there. it's a home away from home. most of the cadets went there to get a education, but got alot more, new friends for a life time. that the way it was when i graduated in 61.
                          by icymoon Location: the boonies on Mar 15, 2012 at 08:33 AM
                            Finally someone saying something friend went there n 80s always babblin to watch his back he was beaten bad he finally left go walk around campus lots of faces of abused children especially rally the lil ones
                            Makes me sick
                          by me Location: wichita on Mar 15, 2012 at 11:31 AM
                            It is common knowledge what goes on at St John's. There are many victims and many abusers who belong to this organization and other similar organizations in Salina and elsewhere in Kansas. the school should be closed and those responsible need to be prosecuted. The school serves no legitimate purpose.
                          by jeff Location: wichita on Mar 15, 2012 at 04:52 PM
                            reply to me. i don't know where you got your information. i don't believe that you went to sjms or you know any one that did. but youre facts are completely wrong. ask any former cadet that went there. the education side is one of the best in the state. go up to salina and take a tour of the campus.


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                          News Items / Military School Seeks Gag Order In Abuse Lawsuit (KAKE)
                          « on: March 17, 2012, 11:22:23 PM »
                          KAKE originally posted a story on the 14th (under the headline "Lawsuit Filed Against St. John's Military School - A Kansas military school is being sued by parents of cadets who say their sons were regularly abused by older students with the blessing of school officials."), choosing to update it several times rather than publish additional articles.

                          The most recent update involves making use of the latest AP headline for the title (re. the gag order request), along with an abbreviated subset of said text. Scroll down for the earliest version:

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                          Military School Seeks Gag Order In Abuse Lawsuit

                          The federal lawsuit was filed against St. John's Military School last week in Kansas City, Kan.

                          Reporter: Associated Press

                          UPDATE: Thursday, March 15, 2012

                          A Kansas military school is asking a federal judge to bar the plaintiffs and lawyers in a lawsuit alleging abuse of former cadets from talking publicly about the case.

                          Attorneys for St. John's Military School, in Salina, filed a motion Thursday seeking a gag order in the lawsuit by parents claiming their sons were repeatedly beaten by higher-ranking students in charge of discipline.

                          U.S. District Judge John Lungstrum scheduled a Tuesday hearing on the motion.

                          St. John's contends public discussion would prejudice its ability to get a fair trial. The school issued a statement Wednesday saying it was studying the allegations but denying the existence of a "culture of abuse."

                          St. John's has settled nine other lawsuits filed since 2006 alleging abuse.

                          UPDATE: Wednesday, March 14, 2012

                          Parents of four former cadets at a Kansas military school have filed a lawsuit claiming their sons were repeatedly beaten by older students who were in charge of handing out discipline to younger boys.

                          The federal lawsuit was filed last week in Kansas City, Kan., against St. John's Military School in Salina and the Episcopal Church. It seeks more than $75,000, plus costs and punitive damages.

                          The suit accuses the school and church of shirking their duties to make sure students were safe at the residential boarding school, which serves boys in sixth through 12th grades.

                          The plaintiffs claim the school allowed experienced students, called "Disciplinarians," to abuse students, including in the presence of faculty members.

                          "The school allows and encourages older students to abuse young students — physically, mentally, emotionally and sexually," the lawsuit alleges. "Although St. John's requests that students inform school personnel if beatings occur, it subsequently tells the Disciplinarians which individuals reported the beatings. It is commonly known throughout the school that if a student reports any beatings, he will suffer significant retribution."

                          The suit does not claim any of the four plaintiffs was sexually abused, but alleges one of the students did witness an attempted rape.

                          In a statement Wednesday, St. John's denied "there was culture of abuse, lack of institutional control, failure to supervise or any kind of cover-up." The school said it was investigating the allegations with its legal counsel and would file a response in court in the next several days.

                          Two of the plaintiffs are from Colorado, and one each is from Texas and Illinois. All are under 18 years old. Attorney Daniel Zmijewski said more students could be added later.

                          The Episcopal Church of the United States and the Episcopal Diocese of Kansas are named as defendants because St. John's is affiliated with the Episcopal Church.

                          Wednesday afternoon, the Episcopal Diocese of Kansas released a statement saying its listing as a plaintiff in the lawsuit is inaccurate.

                          "The inclusion of the Diocese of Kansas is a mistake, since the school is not connected to this diocese but is instead associated with the Episcopal Diocese of Western Kansas. The two dioceses are separate and distinct jurisdictions, with different bishops and different governing bodies. Our attorney has contacted the plaintiffs' attorney to inform him of this mistake and has asked him to correct the filing to remove the Episcopal Diocese of Kansas from the action."

                          The lawsuit claims that if students or their parents reported abuse to school officials, the information was passed to the Disciplinarians and more beatings followed.

                          One plaintiff who attended the school in the spring of 2011 claims he was bound, gagged and beaten by several students, and photos of the abuse were posted to Facebook. He also claimed he was forced to roll in mud, then several students urinated on him in the shower.

                          Another plaintiff claims he tried to leave the school and hitch-hike home, but was tracked down by several students and a ranking faculty member on a highway. He claims he was beaten, hooded and beaten again in the presence of the faculty member while being driven back to the school.

                          A third plaintiff said he was sent to a hospital with a broken eye socket after being kneed in the face by a ranking student.

                          The lawsuit claims parents whose sons claimed they were abused were told by the school that the children were exaggerating or making up stories because they wanted to go home.

                          Zmijewski said St. John's has settled nine such cases since 2006.

                          "This case is similar, the same kind of allegations," Zmijewski said. "I don't think the school is going to be shocked by this."

                          Wednesday, March 14, 2012

                          A Kansas military school is being sued by parents of cadets who say their sons were regularly abused by older students with the blessing of school officials.

                          The federal lawsuit was filed against St. John's Military School last week in Kansas City, Kan. It claims the school allows older students, called "Disciplinarians," to discipline younger students who step out of line.

                          The parents of four boys claim their sons suffered severe beatings by the Disciplinarians, and when the boys reported the abuse to school officials, the beatings got worse.

                          School President Andy England says he was meeting with legal counsel and the school was doing "due diligence" before responding to the lawsuit.

                          The lawsuit claims the school has settled nine similar abuse cases since 2006.


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                          The same article has also been published by the Lawrence Journal World with the title of "Military school seeks gag order in abuse lawsuit" (by Roxana Hegeman; March 16, 2012; Associated Press/Lawrence Journal World).

                          Comments left for this latter publication:


                          Ragingbear (anonymous) says... March 16, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
                            We messed up and abused people. Please don't allow them to tell the rest of the world please.
                          Made_in_China (Paul R. Getto) replies... March 16, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.
                            +1


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                          The Seed Discussion Forum / Re: The Seed of Hope
                          « on: March 17, 2012, 08:15:31 PM »
                          Although the Internet Archive does not seem to have taken notice of this site (perhaps because it wasn't around long enough), and the domain name is already up for sale (as noted above), there are still copies of certain pages kicking around in Google's cache. Here's the "Welcome" page:

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                          The Historical Seed Videos
                          A retrospective on Art Barker's Seed Program

                          Welcome

                          Welcome to this Blog. Recently The Wolfson Archives, In conjunction with a private donor, restored "the Seed of Hope", a WTVJ Original Film. This film was shot in June of 1972, was produced by Francis Stone and "starred" Ralph Renick and of course, Art Barker and The Seed, a drug Rehab for mostly juveniles that was formed in 1970, in Ft. Lauderdale Florida.

                          The video was first shown on WTVJ, and then was released to TV channels across Florida. Copies of the film, in can, were made and shown as a recruiting tool at Various  civic associations, often by groups called "seed advisory boards", which consisted mostly of parents of Kids that had been admitted to the seed by either the courts or by their parents.

                          The seed was highly controversial  and in a 1974 report by the 'Committe on the Judiciary United States Senate, ninety-third Congress', The Seed was accused of    “”similar to the highly refined "brainwashing" techniques employed by the North Koreans in the early nineteen fifties, the method is used in the treatment of drug abusers”". The seed and its founder, Art Barker, were also heralded as a possible solution to the growing drug crises. One estimate is that roughly 10,000 Florida and Ohio juveniles were admitted to The Seed in the early 1970s.  As the Seed's popularity wained, other drug rehabs founded by parents of Seed Graduates formed and copied the modalities, and these techniques were passed on to other juvenile rehab  copycat programs, some still in existence today.

                          This video sat 'in the can' for over 30 years, and the Wolfson archive carefully and lovingly restored them.  Since they were sitting so long, in film format, there are spots where the audio and/or video do not work.  In addition,  Most of the material restored were cuts and drafts: things that did not make the final production and/or were pieced together and used in the final production.  This blog exists to bring these videos back alive and to bring them back into the public arena for viewing.

                          The Archive has licensed their publication here, and if you are interested in ordering these videos, without timestamp, for your video  project, you can contact the archive directly:

                          Lynn & Louis Wolfson
                          Florida Moving Image Archives
                          101 West Flagler Street
                          Miami, Florida  33130
                          (305) 37501505

                          These videos are copyrighted and the property of the archive and are used by permission soley on this website. Unauthorized reproduction is prohibited.

                          We will also be adding other content that is pertinent to this story, such as newspaper articles and documents.

                          Comments on this blog are moderated for content and subject to approval.  As the purpose of this blog is historical, no profanity, swearing, or otherwise offense comments will be approved. The purpose of the blog is not to debate, but to present historical information.   Further, some people may have been shot in these videos while they were children. Please respect the fact that they may not wish to be identified by name.

                          Thank you for reading, and enjoy.
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