Post by: webdiva on August 16, 2007, 12:07:51 PM
Need I say more? OF course I must!
Is someone sticking something sharp up his ass?
Did he sit on tack? What? Anyone?
Shall we play the caption game? LOL
Woah de ja vous.
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 12:11:26 PM
Post by: webdiva on August 16, 2007, 12:16:29 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
YOU BLOGGED THAT?
I got it from her dramatica page... havent blogged it yet just posting it EVERYWHERE LOL
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 12:19:23 PM
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Shall we play the caption game? LOL
That was a caption, sorry should have quoted.
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 01:47:52 PM
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 16, 2007, 01:54:29 PM
http://www.davidpollacklaw.com/RESUME.html (http://www.davidpollacklaw.com/RESUME.html)
(http://http://www.davidpollacklaw.com/images/david_pollack_7.jpg)
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 02:42:39 PM
Post by: Ursus on August 16, 2007, 03:31:36 PM
http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1564963_1?noconfirm=0 (http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1564963_1?noconfirm=0)
FindLaw > Lawyer Directory > Lawyer Profile
David C. Pollack
Firm: Stearns Weaver Miller Weissler Alhadeff & Sitterson, P.A.
Address: Museum Tower
150 West Flagler Street
Suite 2200
Miami, FL 33130
Phone: (305) 789-3435
Fax: (305) 789-3395
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
what a disgrace of a jew.
For Fucks sake. Think about making statements like this you moron!!!! Over the past 2 weeks this site has come close to being shut down twice. PPl have worked tirelessly to keep it up. Anti semitism is like a red flag to a legal bull. remarks like this do not fucking help!!!!!!
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 05:25:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""what a disgrace of a jew.For Fucks sake. Think about making statements like this you moron!!!! Over the past 2 weeks this site has come close to being shut down twice. PPl have worked tirelessly to keep it up. Anti semitism is like a red flag to a legal bull. remarks like this do not fucking help!!!!!!
Quit trying to police the forum. The ONLY thing that will get anyone in trouble is by stating known falsehoods as fact.
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 05:34:13 PM
:flame:
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 16, 2007, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Guest - get a grip! This aint about being jewish, it's about conning parents and hurting kids. No experience (or religion) required. All that is necessary is to have no morals, ethics and an 800 number.
:flame:
Which guest were you talking to?
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 07:28:13 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""what a disgrace of a jew.For Fucks sake. Think about making statements like this you moron!!!! Over the past 2 weeks this site has come close to being shut down twice. PPl have worked tirelessly to keep it up. Anti semitism is like a red flag to a legal bull. remarks like this do not fucking help!!!!!!
Quit trying to police the forum. The ONLY thing that will get anyone in trouble is by stating known falsehoods as fact.
So anybody who dares to point out the folly and downright fucking stupidity of making a statement like this is trying to Police the forum. That argument is ridiculous! Trying to police the forum would be lobbying ginger to have the post removed! This is just offering an opinion that you don't like.
But aside from the arrogant stupidity of the idea that because you have the right to free speech it is a good idea to exercise it in such a way, lets examine what this persons alleged religion has to do with his actions shall we? lets also look at the value that such a remark added to the discussion:
Is there something in the Torah that says defend those who support being mean to kids? Would it be any more reasonable to say what a disgrace of a nigger? or a chink? Did the remark contain any wit? Did it do anything to gain support in the wider community for those who oppose this hideous fucking industry? NO it was just some numbnuts shooting their stupid mouth off.
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 07:37:03 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""what a disgrace of a jew.For Fucks sake. Think about making statements like this you moron!!!! Over the past 2 weeks this site has come close to being shut down twice. PPl have worked tirelessly to keep it up. Anti semitism is like a red flag to a legal bull. remarks like this do not fucking help!!!!!!
Quit trying to police the forum. The ONLY thing that will get anyone in trouble is by stating known falsehoods as fact.
So anybody who dares to point out the folly and downright fucking stupidity of making a statement like this is trying to Police the forum. That argument is ridiculous! Trying to police the forum would be lobbying ginger to have the post removed! This is just offering an opinion that you don't like.
But aside from the arrogant stupidity of the idea that because you have the right to free speech it is a good idea to exercise it in such a way, lets examine what this persons alleged religion has to do with his actions shall we? lets also look at the value that such a remark added to the discussion:
Is there something in the Torah that says defend those who support being mean to kids? Would it be any more reasonable to say what a disgrace of a nigger? or a chink? Did the remark contain any wit? Did it do anything to gain support in the wider community for those who oppose this hideous fucking industry? NO it was just some numbnuts shooting their stupid mouth off.
Holy shit. YOu take things waaaayyyyyyy too seriously.
:roll:
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 08:05:24 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Kike says what now?
Honestly, Ginger, there should be no space for this kind of garbage.
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Kike says what now?
Honestly, Ginger, there should be no space for this kind of garbage.
Have you ever even met or spoken with Ginger?
:rofl:
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 08:10:50 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""what a disgrace of a jew.For Fucks sake. Think about making statements like this you moron!!!! Over the past 2 weeks this site has come close to being shut down twice. PPl have worked tirelessly to keep it up. Anti semitism is like a red flag to a legal bull. remarks like this do not fucking help!!!!!!
Quit trying to police the forum. The ONLY thing that will get anyone in trouble is by stating known falsehoods as fact.
So anybody who dares to point out the folly and downright fucking stupidity of making a statement like this is trying to Police the forum. That argument is ridiculous! Trying to police the forum would be lobbying ginger to have the post removed! This is just offering an opinion that you don't like.
But aside from the arrogant stupidity of the idea that because you have the right to free speech it is a good idea to exercise it in such a way, lets examine what this persons alleged religion has to do with his actions shall we? lets also look at the value that such a remark added to the discussion:
Is there something in the Torah that says defend those who support being mean to kids? Would it be any more reasonable to say what a disgrace of a nigger? or a chink? Did the remark contain any wit? Did it do anything to gain support in the wider community for those who oppose this hideous fucking industry? NO it was just some numbnuts shooting their stupid mouth off.
Holy shit. YOu take things waaaayyyyyyy too seriously.
:roll:
Great come back. Thats the best you can do to justify your fucktard antisemitism
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 08:16:00 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""what a disgrace of a jew.For Fucks sake. Think about making statements like this you moron!!!! Over the past 2 weeks this site has come close to being shut down twice. PPl have worked tirelessly to keep it up. Anti semitism is like a red flag to a legal bull. remarks like this do not fucking help!!!!!!
Quit trying to police the forum. The ONLY thing that will get anyone in trouble is by stating known falsehoods as fact.
So anybody who dares to point out the folly and downright fucking stupidity of making a statement like this is trying to Police the forum. That argument is ridiculous! Trying to police the forum would be lobbying ginger to have the post removed! This is just offering an opinion that you don't like.
But aside from the arrogant stupidity of the idea that because you have the right to free speech it is a good idea to exercise it in such a way, lets examine what this persons alleged religion has to do with his actions shall we? lets also look at the value that such a remark added to the discussion:
Is there something in the Torah that says defend those who support being mean to kids? Would it be any more reasonable to say what a disgrace of a nigger? or a chink? Did the remark contain any wit? Did it do anything to gain support in the wider community for those who oppose this hideous fucking industry? NO it was just some numbnuts shooting their stupid mouth off.
Holy shit. YOu take things waaaayyyyyyy too seriously.
:roll:
Great come back. Thats the best you can do to justify your fucktard antisemitism
It wasn't intended to be witty or clever. Just factual.
Lighten up Francis!
:roll:
alright, who's fucking with the Captcha? The words are "bigotry control".
:rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 08:38:07 PM
Just because we can say whatever, does not mean that it's effective. It's a bit immature and does seem to take away from the overall message. It's also my belief that since this site deals with serious issues, serious people are being dissuaded from using this site because of the immaturity displayed so often.
Now have it - I don't care, I just think it's more effective to only use insults and profanity when it actually emphasizes a statement, not ALL the time.
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 08:42:40 PM
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=1 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=1)
where this belongs.
JeeeeezUs. We hear you. You don't like it. Ok.
:roll:
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 09:02:13 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""what a disgrace of a jew.For Fucks sake. Think about making statements like this you moron!!!! Over the past 2 weeks this site has come close to being shut down twice. PPl have worked tirelessly to keep it up. Anti semitism is like a red flag to a legal bull. remarks like this do not fucking help!!!!!!
Do you have any idea who we are hosting with now?
Post by: webdiva on August 16, 2007, 09:24:28 PM
http://http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Sue_Scheff
scroll all the way down to the low life lawyers scetion. And feel free to EDIT the page its a WIKI.
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 16, 2007, 09:43:05 PM
Post by: webdiva on August 16, 2007, 10:07:17 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
I'm still not fully convinced. Not doubting you, just where Dramatica got it. I think that's where I first saw it and the first time I followed the URL was when I ended up at some generic site. Doesn't really matter and again, I could be wrong. They don't look a thing alike to me though. Either way he's just a little dweeb in a suit and he's backed the wrong fucking horse here.
you can doubt me nibbles i do not take offense for i have the knowledge of the truth of david pollack LOL and well thats all i can share with you at the moment. If I obtain more sharable proof YOU wil be the first to know. I just want a REALLY nice prize if i prove. Yes, yes i do! LOL
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 16, 2007, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: ""webdiva""
you can doubt me nibbles i do not take offense
I hope not, don't know why you would.
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for i have the knowledge of the trusth of david pollack LOL and well thats all i can share with you at the moment. If I obtain more sharable proof YOU wil be the first to know. I just want a REALLY nice prize if i prove. Yes, yes i do! LOL
absolutely!! When you come down here I'll make damn sure of it!!!
:smokin: ::bandit:: ::cheers:: ::cheers::
I hope you're right. That picture is great. I think that's why I still doubt it. I don't know any self respecting atty that would have that picture up at ANY time. :rofl: Oh. Wait. Self respecting.....yep, you're probably right. LOL
Post by: webdiva on August 16, 2007, 10:26:55 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""webdiva""
you can doubt me nibbles i do not take offense
I hope not, don't know why you would.
Cuz im crazy and have to be right about everything .
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quotefor i have the knowledge of the trusth of david pollack LOL and well thats all i can share with you at the moment. If I obtain more sharable proof YOU wil be the first to know. I just want a REALLY nice prize if i prove. Yes, yes i do! LOLabsolutely!! When you come down here I'll make damn sure of it!!!
:smokin: ::bandit:: ::cheers:: ::cheers::
OK except ONE thing. rtp can not be the prize people are not allowed to be the prize. People can perform the prize however. K? Got it? good! LOL
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
I hope you're right. That picture is great. I think that's why I still doubt it. I don't know any self respecting atty that would have that picture up at ANY time. :rofl: Oh. Wait. Self respecting.....yep, you're probably right. LOL
i do too cuz i really hate to lose it never ends pretty.
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 16, 2007, 10:37:14 PM
Quote from: ""webdiva""
Cuz im crazy and have to be right about everything .
Alrighty then, thanks for the heads up.
:rofl:
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OK except ONE thing. rtp can not be the prize people are not allowed to be the prize. People can perform the prize however. K? Got it? good! LOL
Nah, no people. Fun stuff though. It's ok if he's there, right?
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i do too cuz i really hate to lose it never ends pretty.
Again, thanks for the warning.
:D :
Post by: webdiva on August 16, 2007, 10:47:48 PM
Quote from: ""webdiva""
Same dude just older in one. Check the link below.
http://http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Sue_Scheff
scroll all the way down to the low life lawyers scetion. And feel free to EDIT the page its a WIKI.
If anything its a very well done DRAMATIC parody of the one on the right. BUt i mean they wouldnt do THAAAT cuz everything on that site is TRUUUUUUUUUUE! So it just HAS to be him! lol
Post by: webdiva on August 16, 2007, 10:50:17 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""webdiva""Cuz im crazy and have to be right about everything .
Alrighty then, thanks for the heads up.
:rofl:QuoteOK except ONE thing. rtp can not be the prize people are not allowed to be the prize. People can perform the prize however. K? Got it? good! LOL
Nah, no people. Fun stuff though. It's ok if he's there, right?Quotei do too cuz i really hate to lose it never ends pretty.
Again, thanks for the warning.
:D :
K im not really crazy but the rest of my personalities are WACKED....
and RTP is welcome anywhere. From what i hear its not a party until RTP gets there. And frod. And a few otehrs Damn we realy need to have a PARTY! Like one with LOTSA drugs! LOL
Post by: try another castle on August 17, 2007, 04:56:05 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
what a disgrace of a jew.
OH MY FUCKING GOD! I was thinking the same thing!!!! bwahahaha! I thought "fuckin damn jew" and immediately after that, saw your post.
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For Fucks sake. Think about making statements like this you moron!!!! Over the past 2 weeks this site has come close to being shut down twice. PPl have worked tirelessly to keep it up. Anti semitism is like a red flag to a legal bull. remarks like this do not fucking help!!!!!!
Maybe it's a red flag, because they're all jews. Isn't that what you were thinking? Who's the anti-semite here, really?
Anyway, this dirty kike has to get back to his self-hating jew work. If nobody hears from me for a few days, it's because I made myself into soap. (I'm sick of waiting for the Germans to do it for me. Fuckin' sausage-swallowing krauts.)
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 07:27:10 AM
Quote from: ""try another castle""
Quote from: ""Guest""what a disgrace of a jew.
Maybe it's a red flag, because they're all jews. Isn't that what you were thinking? Who's the anti-semite here, really?
Actually no. I couldnt give two shits if the guy is a branch davidian or a moonie. He could spend his days running around in organge robes with a giant tambourine for all i care.
I am just sick to the back teeth of the morons who exercise their free speech in a retarded way without a single thought about the consequences. This site plays a vital social role. Without it public access to important information is hard to find. Twice now it has come close to being shut down. Twice it has been moved. The woman who is suing is an expert at looking like a victim to courts. It is not up for even 24 hrs and some nob polisher decides it is an excellent idea to make anti semetic slurs about this woman's lawyer. Obviously the lawyer has an extensive knowledge of defamation.
It may be this individual dickhead poster's right to say whatever the fuck he wants but he is doing nobody any good by exercising such a right. So i am fruitlessly hoping that he or she may decide to shut the fuck up and think about what they choose to say. I wont hold my breath though. :flame:
Post by: psy on August 17, 2007, 08:00:38 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""try another castle""Quote from: ""Guest""what a disgrace of a jew.
Maybe it's a red flag, because they're all jews. Isn't that what you were thinking? Who's the anti-semite here, really?
Actually no. I couldnt give two shits if the guy is a branch davidian or a moonie. He could spend his days running around in organge robes with a giant tambourine for all i care.
I am just sick to the back teeth of the morons who exercise their free speech in a retarded way without a single thought about the consequences. This site plays a vital social role. Without it public access to important information is hard to find. Twice now it has come close to being shut down. Twice it has been moved. The woman who is suing is an expert at looking like a victim to courts. It is not up for even 24 hrs and some nob polisher decides it is an excellent idea to make anti semetic slurs about this woman's lawyer. Obviously the lawyer has an extensive knowledge of defamation.
It may be this individual dickhead poster's right to say whatever the fuck he wants but he is doing nobody any good by exercising such a right. So i am fruitlessly hoping that he or she may decide to shut the fuck up and think about what they choose to say. I wont hold my breath though. :flame:
Listen. A lot of people might try and shut down this website but it just isn't going to EVER happen. That "nob pusher" as you call him does not and should not give a fuck what somebody else thinks about what he says.
This site does play an important social role, you are right, but if people are closed minded enough to walk away at a single mis-interpreted "anti-semitic" comment do you really think they will pay attention to anything else said here?
Censorship, including self-censorship (at least when caused by fear, not politesse) would be the worst thing to happen to this site. Stop worrying, this site isn't going anywhere.
Post by: Che Gookin on August 17, 2007, 08:03:36 AM
At some point in all of this we all, notice I say we to include my own bad vulgar self, need to strive at reaching some sort of moral high ground. Now I'm not saying we need to put on a show for the whole world to try and impress everyone. On the other hand a modicum of common sense seems to be in order.
Sue has won against Carey.
Sue has gotten fornits thrown off two different ISPs.
Sue has gone on 20.20 and blabbered on like a paid advert for rep defender.
Sue won 11.3 gajillion dollars off Carey as well.
Now we can say what we want about Sue. But so far she has been successful. Now we can start running with the wolves and act like a pack wild animals and electronically shite all over ourselves at the expense of our own reputations, which isn't that stellar to begin with, or we can cut out the obvious idiotic nonsense.
It is a simple choice because people are people and if I was someone just passing by I'd probably be more inclined to listen to Sue who presents herself a whole lot better than we do. The truth to the average passer byer has more to do with the presentation of it than the actual content.
Just throwing out some food for thought as I don't have much to say about Sue Scheff that hasn't already been said before. It is readily obvious to me that plenty of people are already lighting her up like a christmas tree, and so I feel no guilt about remembering that the rest of the TBS industry of shame needs to be watched over as well.
ps.. Excellent use of the word nob polisher... lols.
Post by: try another castle on August 17, 2007, 08:09:04 AM
Guess which way I'm leaning?
(o)(o)
Well... I was never really helpful in representing *anything* in a responsible manner, and that's pretty much always been a constant.
Post by: Che Gookin on August 17, 2007, 08:19:26 AM
Post by: psy on August 17, 2007, 08:30:01 AM
Post by: Carey on August 17, 2007, 08:48:08 AM
She sells her goods, her programs, without naming them, so that others can't police them. (Personally, I think this is something she has taught WWASP to begin doing. It use to be that WWASP openly listed their schools, that is now changing from what I see.)
She uses peoples fears, not just their fears based on how their kids are rebelling, but she adds the fear of "other" abusive programs, in order to manipulate parents who are "at their wits end" to sell her own programs.
She doesn't believe in full disclosure, that is obvious, look at what she is now trying to deny and hide. She believes in censorship for others, but she doesn't believe censorship should apply to her.
We have seen her attempt to try to fool the public by posting a blog saying she wasn't being sued. When she knew good and well she was being sued.
Like I said, I think she is far worse than others because she claims to know the dangers in the industry, yet she continues to profit off it regardless.
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 09:59:07 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
Listen. A lot of people might try and shut down this website but it just isn't going to EVER happen. That "nob pusher" as you call him does not and should not give a fuck what somebody else thinks about what he says.
This site does play an important social role, you are right, but if people are closed minded enough to walk away at a single mis-interpreted "anti-semitic" comment do you really think they will pay attention to anything else said here?
Censorship, including self-censorship (at least when caused by fear, not politesse) would be the worst thing to happen to this site. Stop worrying, this site isn't going anywhere.
Why it it that when any kind of criticism is made of a post that is even remotely offensive it is seen as "self censorship" What is it free speech as long as you don't call in to question idiotic behavior? There seems to be a logic that says programs are bad so anyone who opposes them can say anything no matter how fucked up or asinine and get applauded. Even when it is stupid. Even when it potentially is a hindrance. Im sorry Psy but that makes no sense. I also note our anti Semites best answer was, You take things too seriously. This and the school yard favorite line of "I can saw whatever I fucking want". are you saying that daring to question this line of fucked up thinking is censoring through "fear"
And while I am on the subject, What the hell is the matter with politeness? Is so damn threatening to play the ball and not the man? Any idiot can just make racist slurs or anonymously degrading remarks. Surely arguing that this takes any level of moral courage are you?
Post by: psy on August 17, 2007, 10:26:13 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""psy""
Listen. A lot of people might try and shut down this website but it just isn't going to EVER happen. That "nob pusher" as you call him does not and should not give a fuck what somebody else thinks about what he says.
This site does play an important social role, you are right, but if people are closed minded enough to walk away at a single mis-interpreted "anti-semitic" comment do you really think they will pay attention to anything else said here?
Censorship, including self-censorship (at least when caused by fear, not politesse) would be the worst thing to happen to this site. Stop worrying, this site isn't going anywhere.
Why it it that when any kind of criticism is made of a post that is even remotely offensive it is seen as "self censorship" What is it free speech as long as you don't call in to question idiotic behavior?
I'm not critizing self-censorship per-se, but your reasoning seemed to stem out of "don't say something or sue will have more ammunition". There are times when self-censorsip is appropriate (for example, when you want to be polite), however I feel one should never do it out of fear of retribution. It's the motive, not necessarily the action, that i question.
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There seems to be a logic that says programs are bad so anyone who opposes them can say anything no matter how fucked up or asinine and get applauded.
Well. My personal opinion is that anybody can say anything and whether or not they are applauded is a matter to be left up to the audience.
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Even when it is stupid. Even when it potentially is a hindrance. Im sorry Psy but that makes no sense. I also note our anti Semites best answer was, You take things too seriously.
Listen. I'm quarter Jewish. So are a lot of people. If I felt that there was truly something anti-semetic said, I might be offended, but i didn't feel that crossed the line at all. Have you ever seen an episode of "Drawn Together"?
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This and the school yard favorite line of "I can saw whatever I fucking want". are you saying that daring to question this line of fucked up thinking is censoring through "fear"
No. But It's what you seemed to imply when you said "Twice now it has come close to being shut down. Twice it has been moved. The woman who is suing is an expert at looking like a victim to courts. It is not up for even 24 hrs and some nob polisher decides it is an excellent idea to make anti semetic slurs about this woman's lawyer. Obviously the lawyer has an extensive knowledge of defamation. " Like it or not, even if it was truly antisemitic, it's still protected speech under the first amendment, and even a very good lawyer would have trouble admitting that post into a court of law (what relevance). It's a statement of truth, and by definition not defamation.
Personally, as a 1/4 Jew. I think the guy is a disgrace of a Jew. But think about this: If I didn't have Jewish blood, such a statement would be seen as anti-semitic automatically, even though it most likely was not intended to be. It means that on the basis of race alone, certain things are OK to say and certain things are not. How is that not racism?
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And while I am on the subject, What the hell is the matter with politeness? Is so damn threatening to play the ball and not the man? Any idiot can just make racist slurs or anonymously degrading remarks. Surely arguing that this takes any level of moral courage are you?
Well. I don't disagree with you on that point, however when people are angry and emotional, ad-hominem is often hard to avoid. A lot of people really like this board, and when Sue attacks it repeatedly, it ruffles a lot of feathers.
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 10:46:51 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Why it it that when any kind of criticism is made of a post that is even remotely offensive it is seen as "self censorship" What is it free speech as long as you don't call in to question idiotic behavior? There seems to be a logic that says programs are bad so anyone who opposes them can say anything no matter how fucked up or asinine and get applauded. Even when it is stupid. Even when it potentially is a hindrance. Im sorry Psy but that makes no sense. I also note our anti Semites best answer was, You take things too seriously. This and the school yard favorite line of "I can saw whatever I fucking want". are you saying that daring to question this line of fucked up thinking is censoring through "fear"
I'm not an anti-semite. I didn't post the stuff you're finding offensive. I just suggested that you're taking this a little too seriously. I personally can't stand some of the shit that's written here. Honestly, but it's not worth the hassle to hassle the children about it. They're not going to stop and, technically, nor should they. The most important speech to protect is the most offensive. That ensures that ALL speech is protected. Skip over the bullshit. Most thinking adults can. Most reporters that I've spoken with that have read this site understand what happens here. They read the relevant stuff and leave the rest.
I do get what you're saying and I used to yell and the kids for it too. It's just not worth it and ultimately, I don't think they're doing the harm that I used to think they did and you obviously still do.
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And while I am on the subject, What the hell is the matter with politeness? Is so damn threatening to play the ball and not the man? Any idiot can just make racist slurs or anonymously degrading remarks. Surely arguing that this takes any level of moral courage are you?
Nothing is wrong with being polite but you have to understand where most of us have come from. This is what we were taught, day in and day out. Confrontation at it's best/worst. We were also incredibly censored in what we could say and it just rubs most of us the wrong way to have someone come in here, a survivors forum, and tell us how to behave. There are plenty of other sites that people can go to and research. This is the one site that is completely open. No censorship. No one can claim (even The Who) that we're cherry picking info that's posted here. That's what they do, not us.
Hope this helps somewhat.
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
The only reason why Sue has been successful so far is because her efforts to promote herself and her cronies online have gone relatively unchecked. There are several reasons why I've personally decided to focus on Sue this summer, but one of the main ones is becuase I believe that she must be (and can be) stopped before she gets stronger and we have a situation on our hands where parents are trusting sue en-masse with their children's welfare. That would be a very bad thing.
Ain't it the truth.
Sue's recent "successes" stem from two reasons:
(1) FORNITS was slow to take the Reputation Defender threat seriously.
From what I've seen, RD had a *4 month* head-start here. They've been squirreling away spam-sites since April. Only now is the damage being undone.
I don't wanna jinx it, but it really does look like the damage IS being undone, in three ways: (a) keeping FORNITS alive against Sue's harassment of its ISPs, (b) diversifying the sites where people can read the truth (branching out to digg, nowpublic, etc), (c) replying on the sites Sue-Sue has spmmed (digg, ziki, etc.).
(2) $ue had the $$$ to hire Reputation Defender, and RD has media connection$.
Again, I don't wanna jinx it, but with the 20/20 story, I think RD has milked the Sue Sue train of all the media coverage it'll get. That's hopeful news: I think part of the reason for RD's intensive attention is that, face it, the media stories put *them* under the gun if they don't deliver. With Sue-Spam off of page 1, however... ;)
Plus, check out Google: these media stories lose Google-punch pretty quickly...because no one really cares about an obvious INFOMERCIAL. (Even the 20/20 one is on, like, page *16* of the google-search. Small potatoes!)
Post by: try another castle on August 17, 2007, 10:53:37 AM
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Any idiot can just make racist slurs or anonymously degrading remarks.
I feign great offense to that. I own all of my degrading remarks, whether they are about my own kind(s) or some other group of fuckers.
But to get back on track, if we were just sitting in here fucking around all the time just talking shit, we would be no threat to people of Sue's ilk. The reason she came after us is because she knows we can hurt her.
And by "we" I mean you guys, 'cause I haven't done shit. If it were just a forum of me's, Sue would have nothing to worry about.
Post by: Che Gookin on August 17, 2007, 11:23:14 AM
Good luck with it. My give a fuck o' meter maxed out on Sue Scheff about 2 weeks ago. Of course this has more to do with me bailing out to South East Asia till the end of December in a wanton slut like existence. Can't wait either!
PM me for souvenirs.
Post by: TheWho on August 17, 2007, 11:38:30 AM
I agree with the Nihilantic guy, Parents and people passing thru shoould get a taste of what we are all about and keep the links to the hate sites in the forfront to show we stand for free speech.
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Its probably blocked because it is abusive towards kids and defamatory.
The first thing you do after setting up shop outside the US is declare you are free and celebrate by posting anti-Semitic material. I donÂ’t know this Sue person but it is clear after reading this that she is being attacked because of her Jewish faith, not because of her business. Posting pictures of this womanÂ’s kids (with links to anti-Semitic sites) and making hurtful comments about them for all their friends and family to view is abusive and sickening. You justify this abuse of children because they happen to have been born into a Jewish household and set up voting to see how many other people find it funny.
These comments are more hurtful towards more children (and people) than the schools you yourselves declare to be abusive. Everyone should rethink the messages you are trying to convey and get on a track to help children instead of spreading hatred like this.
Why cant people be more proactive and stop this spread of abuse and hatred? You guys are planting seeds and spreading this stuff everywhere!
You, are an idiot, and probably sue/izzy.
LOL.
First of all, "they" didn't do shit. I did.
Second, per ED policy, I had to make it fit the 'style' of all ED pages, which means I had to use blatant racism, bullshit, inflamatory messages and anything guaranteed to generate lulz, that is, the comments you just made, wherever possible.
I doubt she is jewish. I called her one because of her obvious and extreme greed and unscrupulusness, and her big ugly nose. Plus I got to generate more links to /Jew.
Third, whether she is jewish or not, you're insulting them by acting like she has anything to do with them, but I think Jews are mature enough as a race and a culture to realize me saying shes Jewish on the internet is the last of their problems :rofl:
In any event, "These comments are more hurtful towards more children (and people) than the schools you yourselves declare to be abusive. " is fucking hilarious and I wish for you to continue to say that stupid bullshit as much a possible, whine on the talk page, get on #arbchat and bitch, try to blank the page, and try to sue ED.
:wave:
In any event, get back in the oven.
Post by: Joyce Harris on August 17, 2007, 11:49:39 AM
Sue Scheff claims that her daughter was abused in a WWASP facility; and for years, she has highly criticized WWASP and its owners loudly and consistingly--verbally, and in print about her daughter's abuse.
I don't write BLOGS about Scheff--defending WWASPS facilities; while praising the Litchfields and Kays as loving, caring peeple who have spent years sacrificing themselves for all these children who have spent wondeful happy years in their WWASP "schools."
I don't blog, blaming Scheff for any, and all of Litchfield and Kay's legal problems; just because Scheff complains about her daughter's abuse in their facility.
I certainly don't blog and insinuate that Scheff' perhaps wrongfully complains about WWASP, and their owner,s because perhaps, maybe, it seems, other may have said; or that I heard [/---Scheff withdrew her daughter from this WWASP facility early because she ]may have feared [/i]that her daughter might reveal family secrets that Scheff didn't want her daughter to reveal.
I didn't speculate in a BLOG that perhaps Scheff may have removed her daughter from this WWASP facility early because Scheff may have feared her young daughter may have revealed her mother's past relationship a boyfried, who was so abusive, that it required Scheff to file domestic violence charges against him in a court of law. I didn't blog and ask, "What else did this daughter know that she might reveal?";
I don't speculate in a BLOG that perhaps Scheff may have removed her daughter early; and that in my opinion she probably lied about WWASP because she may have feard her daughter might have been getting ready to reveal some other family secrets of what? perhaps family abuse, maybe violence--since it has been said this girl's father may have had drinking problems; and [someone saidthis mother may have struck this daughter in the face and attempted to choke her? .
The above 2 paragraph 2, is the type of hearsay, vicious gossip, and opinions that Sue Scheff wrote in her BLOG "Whitmore Academy- My Experiences."
I believe Sue Scheff's daughter was abused in that WWASP facility.
I don't believe children are "manipulative liars" who lie about their experiences in these programs.
And I believe Scheff has the right to criticize her daughter's abusers.
BUT: I maintain that I HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS SUE SCHEFF.I have the RIGHT to criticize the abusive facility; and its owners where I placed my daughter for education and treatment.
And Sue Scheff, of all people, does not have the right to try and silence my criticism - since she, and her company PURE recommended Whitmore Academy to my family.
Post by: psy on August 17, 2007, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I doubt she is jewish. I called her one because of her obvious and extreme greed and unscrupulusness, and her big ugly nose. Plus I got to generate more links to /Jew.
Also, take note that the article at /Jew is (guess what) written BY JEWS. It's self mockery taken to an extreme to point out the absurdity of prejudice itself (or it's done just for shits and giggles (lulz)). It's very clearly satire. South Park does it... with Jews too.. and Drawn together does it... With Jews too. Nothing is sacro-sanct anymore, and that's the way it should be, as far as i'm concerned (it sounds crazy, but when all taboos die, speech is truly free). Good thing or bad thing, it's the way it's headed.
Post by: TheWho on August 17, 2007, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""Guest""I doubt she is jewish. I called her one because of her obvious and extreme greed and unscrupulusness, and her big ugly nose. Plus I got to generate more links to /Jew.
Also, take note that the article at /Jew is (guess what) written BY JEWS. It's self mockery taken to an extreme to point out the absurdity of prejudice itself (or it's done just for shits and giggles (lulz)). It's very clearly satire. South Park does it... with Jews too.. and Drawn together does it... With Jews too. Nothing is sacro-sanct anymore, and that's the way it should be, as far as i'm concerned (it sounds crazy, but when all taboos die, speech is truly free). Good thing or bad thing, it's the way it's headed.
So why excuse it? Is the guy nihanthilic jewish? I would guess not. He did it out of hatred and its anti-semitic. We all know that. If this is about this woman Sue's job and what she does, you would be attacking her business not her race, kids and religion.
Its hate driven, lets face it. Its not a parody. You are hiding behind that.
Post by: BuzzKill on August 17, 2007, 12:27:45 PM
It offends many who we would not want to offend - those we hope will take an interest and assist us in getting this message out; not just those who we hold in contempt, and wish to hold up for greater examination by the public at large.
And like it or not - it does reflect on the character of everyone who uses these forums to express their thoughts and understanding and experiences. Any stranger who comes across Fornits in their research, and who first stumbles upon the likes of what a few of these guys post, will come to the conclusion the forum is not a credible source of information but rather a cess pool not worth wading through.
I feel very irritated by the selfishness of those who insist on exercising their right to be obnoxious. Just b/c you can do something, doesn't mean you should. I know you all feel confident that the forum is now parked where anything goes - but you aren't considering all the possible consequences of your mindless racism and vulgarity.
Its not just a matter of a hosting company backing down or standing behind the forum. There are other risks and considerations.
Why can't you "freedom fighters" keep the seriously offensive "jokes" more private? Use the PM feature to share that kind of humor with your like minded friends. Why must you splash it on the public part of the forum? And if you need that public aspect - an internet version of the bath room wall - why can't you keep it in the Open forum or Let it Bleed?
Is that really to much to ask?
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 12:38:02 PM
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Any stranger who comes across Fornits in their research, and who first stumbles upon the likes of what a few of these guys post, will come to the conclusion the forum is not a credible source of information but rather a cess pool not worth wading through.
Haven't we heard this enough times? This argument is just plain wrong.
I mean sure, it'd turn people off if we posted nothing but NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER for 20 pages. But the whole "people will just run away" business is bullshit. Morbid curiosity alone is too strong. And usually it takes a good dose of sideways-hitting shock therapy to get through these people's heads.
"But it makes it look like a hate site"
Jesus Christ, how many times are we going to through this? Of course it's a fucking hate site. We're talking about the sadistic humiliation of children here. What were you expecting, hugs and kisses?
Post by: Froderik on August 17, 2007, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""psy""Quote from: ""Guest""I doubt she is jewish. I called her one because of her obvious and extreme greed and unscrupulusness, and her big ugly nose. Plus I got to generate more links to /Jew.
Also, take note that the article at /Jew is (guess what) written BY JEWS. It's self mockery taken to an extreme to point out the absurdity of prejudice itself (or it's done just for shits and giggles (lulz)). It's very clearly satire. South Park does it... with Jews too.. and Drawn together does it... With Jews too. Nothing is sacro-sanct anymore, and that's the way it should be, as far as i'm concerned (it sounds crazy, but when all taboos die, speech is truly free). Good thing or bad thing, it's the way it's headed.
So why excuse it? Is the guy nihanthilic jewish? I would guess not. He did it out of hatred and its anti-semitic. We all know that. If this is about this woman Sue's job and what she does, you would be attacking her business not her race, kids and religion.
Its hate driven, lets face it. Its not a parody. You are hiding behind that.
Wow still going on about this, are we?
Whatever the case, Niles is one person and doesn't represent the views of everyone here.
Post by: Che Gookin on August 17, 2007, 12:42:55 PM
Also this is fornits.. yeah that implies we are the biker bar of cyberia, but on the other hand times are a changing. Certainly I don't think we ever have or will change into Encloypedia Dramatica. Nothing of what happens on the ED page should reflect on us. Unfortunately perception is reality and if you are trying to reach others that perception is a crucial bit needed for consideration.
I've listened to some of the above posters go on and on in my pm box about the need for us to be civil to parents. Yet here we have some of them saying, "hey.. its just ED and if they want to act like a bunch of racist putzs who are we to complain?"
Personally I don't give a toss what happens on ED, but when it has the possibility of tainting what we do by driving away parents that is something to consider.
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 01:00:52 PM
ps.. glad you back.
Post by: TheWho on August 17, 2007, 01:12:08 PM
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 17, 2007, 01:26:14 PM
Quote from: ""BuzzKill""
I feel compelled to comment once again - tho I can't think of much new to add. Still, its perhaps worth repeating: The racism and vulgarity some insist on exercising their right to express, greatly diminishes the value of this forum and its ability to function as intended - to educate and evaluate the issues surrounding institutional child abuse.
Well, when the forum started it was intended to be a place where survivors could come and talk and feel comfortable. Yes there is a lot of information here too, but it IS a survivor's forum. It irritates the shit out of me when people try and tell me how I should or shouldn't 'behave'. I had enough of that shit 25 years ago.
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It offends many who we would not want to offend - those we hope will take an interest and assist us in getting this message out; not just those who we hold in contempt, and wish to hold up for greater examination by the public at large.
As has been said before, most adults can see through the offensive posts and seek out the important stuff. If they're turned away by a couple of offensive posts to the point where they won't continue searching the forum for relevant information, they're lost anyway.
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And like it or not - it does reflect on the character of everyone who uses these forums to express their thoughts and understanding and experiences. Any stranger who comes across Fornits in their research, and who first stumbles upon the likes of what a few of these guys post, will come to the conclusion the forum is not a credible source of information but rather a cess pool not worth wading through.
I disagree, see above.
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I feel very irritated by the selfishness of those who insist on exercising their right to be obnoxious. Just b/c you can do something, doesn't mean you should. I know you all feel confident that the forum is now parked where anything goes - but you aren't considering all the possible consequences of your mindless racism and vulgarity.
I'm irritated at people telling me how and what to write.
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Its not just a matter of a hosting company backing down or standing behind the forum. There are other risks and considerations.
Why can't you "freedom fighters" keep the seriously offensive "jokes" more private? Use the PM feature to share that kind of humor with your like minded friends. Why must you splash it on the public part of the forum? And if you need that public aspect - an internet version of the bath room wall - why can't you keep it in the Open forum or Let it Bleed?
Is that really to much to ask?
IMO, yes. There are ISAC, Paula Reeves, NoSpank and other sites that serve that purpose. Fornits fills a special niche for survivors of abusive programs. For the record, I can't stand some of the shit that's posted around here, but it's not for me to tell someone else how to express themselves.
Post by: BuzzKill on August 17, 2007, 02:31:27 PM
I mean, there are all the various "program forums" on Fornits - like the Straight Inc forum - that forum exist as a place for survivors to "talk" about what is on their minds.
But when it comes to forums like this one - a general forum on the issues - isn't that less the case? Isn't it primarily for informational purposes - with a lot of survivors posting?
I am not saying anyone else should be telling you what to post - I am asking you ( everyone) to do this for yourselves - think first, and consider the greater good - for the benefit of all -
I really do not think that is an unreasonable request.
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 17, 2007, 02:35:25 PM
As always, that's just MHO. If you're really that bothered by it, take it up with Ginger, but how many times have we gone round and round about this?
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 02:55:34 PM
i think it's extremely funny how my fellow jews (this applies to any ethnicity, actually), label anything which is said about them, regardless of how true, if it includes the word "jew/jews" or "black/nigger" or "mexican", it's automatically antisemetic, racist, or socially insensitive.
as far as the guest who said "kike said what", now YOU are fucked up. please, take a gun, load it, put it to your head and pull the trigger. although true, it's not my place or anyone's to police this forum.
Post by: Ursus on August 17, 2007, 02:55:59 PM
Perhaps that is some of the reasoning behind TSW's latest avatar with the pulsating, in-your-face behemoth-sized bazookas. I kind of fall in line with Castle's recent post on that one, i.e. (to paraphrase), I don't know which to believe -- the text or the mammary glands -- but if I am to make a choice, I'd have to go with the cleavage!
I think fornits can be what people are willing or able to make it be. If those desiring more palatable language wish it to become that way, they should put in the requisite time and effort and research to make it that way.
Post by: Froderik on August 17, 2007, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
As I said, I think there are other sites that suit that purpose. Fornits fills a very special niche that I don't want to lose. It's the ONLY site that allows complete freedom of speech. That means that we have to put up with material that may be offensive to us. That's what I meant about the most vile speech being the most important to protect.
As always, that's just MHO. If you're really that bothered by it, take it up with Ginger, but how many times have we gone round and round about this?
Otoh, BuzzKill could argue that her request for people to stop posting racial shit would fall under freedom of speech as well, which of course it does. Of course, you (or I, or anyone) could then choose to heed or ignore that advice depending on our inclination...
Post by: Froderik on August 17, 2007, 05:03:45 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Perhaps that is some of the reasoning behind TSW's latest avatar with the pulsating, in-your-face behemoth-sized bazookas. I kind of fall in line with Castle's recent post on that one, i.e. (to paraphrase), I don't know which to believe -- the text or the mammary glands -- but if I am to make a choice, I'd have to go with the cleavage!
On the topic of huge tits: Have you ever watched the Pamela Anderson roast on Comedy Central? Pretty funny stuff...
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 05:25:46 PM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
As I said, I think there are other sites that suit that purpose. Fornits fills a very special niche that I don't want to lose. It's the ONLY site that allows complete freedom of speech. That means that we have to put up with material that may be offensive to us. That's what I meant about the most vile speech being the most important to protect.
As always, that's just MHO. If you're really that bothered by it, take it up with Ginger, but how many times have we gone round and round about this?
I'd agree. I think most who come against this truly do misunderstand what this forum has become. I think it's changed over the years or evolved if you will, but it is what it is. at times i see things that just get ridiculously out of hand or won't end, although, that's simply MY opinion. If I feel that way I choose to accept that because I like the freedom we have here. SO few places in this World can you speak this openly without consequence.
Even I used to draw my own lines and think well THATS a bit much. I do find personal attacks against friends annoying but they are grown, they can figure out a way to handle it and usually do. No on is required to be here. If they feel there is a need that isn't being addressed they have every right to go start a website or even request a forum topic.
Many times the idea "Free speech" is conditional and that of course that is not free speech. All or nothing. And no one is being FORCED to read shit here. Yet some feel it's ok to pass judgment on those who have a right to express themselves no matter HOW it may appear. But you know what, they DO have the right, it still makes them fucking idiots but idiots that won't be run off a board for speaking their mind about their ignorant views on free speech. Complain all you want, it is your right and your time to waste.
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 05:41:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: ""Lisa Lampanelli""
White ladies with big asses get more black dick in them than a urinal at the Appolo.
I bet the urinals at the Apollo would be a better comparison.
Post by: Froderik on August 17, 2007, 06:01:48 PM
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 17, 2007, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""As I said, I think there are other sites that suit that purpose. Fornits fills a very special niche that I don't want to lose. It's the ONLY site that allows complete freedom of speech. That means that we have to put up with material that may be offensive to us. That's what I meant about the most vile speech being the most important to protect.
As always, that's just MHO. If you're really that bothered by it, take it up with Ginger, but how many times have we gone round and round about this?
I'd agree. I think most who come against this truly do misunderstand what this forum has become. I think it's changed over the years or evolved if you will, but it is what it is. at times i see things that just get ridiculously out of hand or won't end, although, that's simply MY opinion. If I feel that way I choose to accept that because I like the freedom we have here. SO few places in this World can you speak this openly without consequence.
Even I used to draw my own lines and think well THATS a bit much. I do find personal attacks against friends annoying but they are grown, they can figure out a way to handle it and usually do. No on is required to be here. If they feel there is a need that isn't being addressed they have every right to go start a website or even request a forum topic.
Many times the idea "Free speech" is conditional and that of course that is not free speech. All or nothing. And no one is being FORCED to read shit here. Yet some feel it's ok to pass judgment on those who have a right to express themselves no matter HOW it may appear. But you know what, they DO have the right, it still makes them fucking idiots but idiots that won't be run off a board for speaking their mind about their ignorant views on free speech. Complain all you want, it is your right and your time to waste.
Yeah, those are pretty much my thoughts too.
Edited to add.....But yes, I do understand and share the frustration. I too used to get after people who posted that kind of stuff, but it never ended up doing any good and people figured out what they needed to figure out without me, or anyone else, editing the discussion.
Do what you want, it doesn't really effect me as I don't think I've posted anything that would be considered rascist or hateful (with the possible exception of shit about Miller Newton, but hey...I can only take so much)
:D
Post by: BuzzKill on August 17, 2007, 07:03:12 PM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""As I said, I think there are other sites that suit that purpose. Fornits fills a very special niche that I don't want to lose. It's the ONLY site that allows complete freedom of speech. That means that we have to put up with material that may be offensive to us. That's what I meant about the most vile speech being the most important to protect.Otoh, BuzzKill could argue that her request for people to stop posting racial shit would fall under freedom of speech as well, which of course it does. Of course, you (or I, or anyone) could then choose to heed or ignore that advice depending on our inclination...
As always, that's just MHO. If you're really that bothered by it, take it up with Ginger, but how many times have we gone round and round about this?
Precisely,
Last thing I'd suggest anyone do is gripe to Ginger about "offensive" material on Fornits! She has always been very clear: She will not moderate or in any way censer these forums.
I'm simply suggesting that if you value these forums (and its clear you do) then you might want to treat them that way. You have a great privilege here, not afforded on any other forum - but does that mean you have to abuse it to the extent that some do?
And what is wrong with keeping some of the more extreme stuff on the other forums I mentioned?
Some point out that this dark "humor" might actually cause strangers to hang around to learn more - sure - I guess in some cases it does. But in a lot of cases it doesn't. I guess you might argue good riddance then - but I would argue why push people away?
About the anti-Semitism and our Jewish guest saying they have enjoyed this thread's over reaction to their own poke at a fellow supposed Jew. . .
I personally was not upset all that much with your remark; tho with out knowing this is one Jew pointing to another, and saying "bad Jew", it can be taken as anti-Semitic. But what is in this thread, is nothing like what can be found in others, and in some cases it is very offensive. (which might explain the hyper-sensitivity found here) At times, here of late, a line has been crossed from poor taste, to grossly offensive. That is primarily what I wish folks would refrain from. It serves no purpose. It isn't funny and it makes no point and it has nothing to do with the issues at hand.
As for the vulgarity - I know some of you guys just think its hilarious - and I have to admit on occasion it is. But there again - sometimes a line is crossed and it is no longer funny. I know some will argue then don't read it or look at it. . . I personally do try not to - but in a case like this - on a forum I do want to read and post on - I often feel ambushed. I know I am not alone in this, b/c others have complained to me about it.
Again, just to be clear - I am not suggestion the forum be policed. I am asking that people think about what their posting - and make an effort to police themselves. Its a suggestion - a request - not an order. I am really not so egotistical that I think anyone will do what I say, b/c I said it.
As for not wanting to loose these fori - Again - if you value them, you should treat them as valuable. I value them too - and I fear we could loose them one day, if we abuse the privilege to much. Wimpy hosting companies are not the only threat.
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 07:19:32 PM
it is an elementary school pissing contest.
I get that this is a touchy issue . I get that programs are about silencing survivors. i am certainly NOT a friend of fucking Sue scheff or the horrible Isobel Zehnder. Obviously the person who trotted out that little conspiracy theory totally missed the point. But i also think that making them look like pigs, making racist remarks or attacking their personal religious faith or randomly doing the same to anyone else just makes it look like no logical reasons can be made to oppose these 2. This is a sad irony because there are many and ppl like Psy have often done an excellent job in exposing their more sinister behaviors.
Post by: Che Gookin on August 17, 2007, 07:56:44 PM
Quote from: ""initial protester""
Ann psy etc. You seem to be assuming that any questioning of a remark that is crude or racist is trying to silence survivors. if this board is indeed the biker bar of the net then so be it. But when people are racist or when they use this board to deliberately be truly offensive then it should not be deemed unacceptable to question such behaviour. otherwise it is not free speech at all
it is an elementary school pissing contest.
I get that this is a touchy issue . I get that programs are about silencing survivors. i am certainly NOT a friend of fucking Sue scheff or the horrible Isobel Zehnder. Obviously the person who trotted out that little conspiracy theory totally missed the point. But i also think that making them look like pigs, making racist remarks or attacking their personal religious faith or randomly doing the same to anyone else just makes it look like no logical reasons can be made to oppose these 2. This is a sad irony because there are many and ppl like Psy have often done an excellent job in exposing their more sinister behaviors.
That isn't the latest rage.. before everyone started reporting Sue behind every rock and tree there was Karen in Dallas and Ottowa 5 who were the board boogey men who could be found behind every single tree.
Same old crap different day.
Post by: Ursus on August 17, 2007, 08:30:15 PM
Quote from: ""initial protester""
Obviously the person who trotted out that little conspiracy theory totally missed the point.
Please explain...
Post by: BuzzKill on August 17, 2007, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: ""Joyce Harris""
Sue Scheff does not seem to believe that people have the same exact RIGHTS that she has.
Sue Scheff claims that her daughter was abused in a WWASP facility; and for years, she has highly criticized WWASP and its owners loudly and consistingly--verbally, and in print about her daughter's abuse.
I don't write BLOGS about Scheff--defending WWASPS facilities; while praising the Litchfields and Kays as loving, caring peeple who have spent years sacrificing themselves for all these children who have spent wondeful happy years in their WWASP "schools."
I don't blog, blaming Scheff for any, and all of Litchfield and Kay's legal problems; just because Scheff complains about her daughter's abuse in their facility.
I certainly don't blog and insinuate that Scheff' perhaps wrongfully complains about WWASP, and their owner,s because perhaps, maybe, it seems, other may have said; or that I heard [/---Scheff withdrew her daughter from this WWASP facility early because she ]may have feared [/i]that her daughter might reveal family secrets that Scheff didn't want her daughter to reveal.
I didn't speculate in a BLOG that perhaps Scheff may have removed her daughter from this WWASP facility early because Scheff may have feared her young daughter may have revealed her mother's past relationship a boyfried, who was so abusive, that it required Scheff to file domestic violence charges against him in a court of law. I didn't blog and ask, "What else did this daughter know that she might reveal?";
I don't speculate in a BLOG that perhaps Scheff may have removed her daughter early; and that in my opinion she probably lied about WWASP because she may have feard her daughter might have been getting ready to reveal some other family secrets of what? perhaps family abuse, maybe violence--since it has been said this girl's father may have had drinking problems; and [someone saidthis mother may have struck this daughter in the face and attempted to choke her? .
The above 2 paragraph 2, is the type of hearsay, vicious gossip, and opinions that Sue Scheff wrote in her BLOG "Whitmore Academy- My Experiences."
I believe Sue Scheff's daughter was abused in that WWASP facility.
I don't believe children are "manipulative liars" who lie about their experiences in these programs.
And I believe Scheff has the right to criticize her daughter's abusers.
BUT: I maintain that I HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS SUE SCHEFF.I have the RIGHT to criticize the abusive facility; and its owners where I placed my daughter for education and treatment.
And Sue Scheff, of all people, does not have the right to try and silence my criticism - since she, and her company PURE recommended Whitmore Academy to my family.
^ Now Thats a good post ;)
Post by: Froderik on August 17, 2007, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""initial protester""Obviously the person who trotted out that little conspiracy theory totally missed the point.
Please explain...
I think they meant that it was a false allegation or whatever.. In other words, not. I hate when ppl jump to conclusions: "It's Sue!" "It must be Izzy!" This makes them (I fucking well won't say "us") look like paranoid morons with their heads up their asses and afraid of their own shadows.
Post by: Sue-Sue on August 18, 2007, 12:51:28 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2007, 01:12:42 AM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Ursus""I think they meant that it was a false allegation or whatever.. In other words, not. I hate when ppl jump to conclusions: "It's Sue!" "It must be Izzy!" This makes them (I fucking well won't say "us") look like paranoid morons with their heads up their asses and afraid of their own shadows.Quote from: ""initial protester""Obviously the person who trotted out that little conspiracy theory totally missed the point.
Please explain...
That is exactly what I was saying. Look I don't like the way defamation law has gone any more than the next poster on this forum. I also apologize for the fact that my initial posts were a furious attack. That was out of line. But I stand by the original point. Someone mentioned that I don't know who is now hosting this forum and they are right. I can only hope it is someone who is not easily bullied.
It is a good idea for anyone to carefully think through whether what they post is something that can be defended in court. Particularly if it is not them who risks being before the judge. It can happen. To say that it is a survivors forum so bad luck is not good enough if what is said can get someone else in trouble. Because having this space at risk of being closed down is then potentially trampling on the rights of many others who also have a right so such a voice. One persons rights end where another's begin.
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2007, 01:19:13 AM
Quote from: ""Jew Scheff""
fornitscators.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2007, 01:24:47 AM
Quote from: ""initial protester""
That is exactly what I was saying. Look I don't like the way defamation law has gone any more than the next poster on this forum. I also apologize for the fact that my initial posts were a furious attack. That was out of line. But I stand by the original point. Someone mentioned that I don't know who is now hosting this forum and they are right. I can only hope it is someone who is not easily bullied.
Easily bullied? Are you high? Yes godaddy.com who has money coming out their ass, was bullied. Please, they laughed in Sue's face. They don't give a fuck about fornits or Sue. If they allowed every single person to sue them for shit like this they would go broke just defending themselves. They are VERY wise to make a decision like that when they are that large and trying to make MONEY.
Netfirms on the other hand, yes, they caved and got scared and they suck. And yea I wonder who is hosting now, i heard they moved to the Netherlands.
Post by: Froderik on August 18, 2007, 01:30:58 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
If they allowed every single person to sue them for shit like this they would go broke just defending themselves.
If they allowed themselves to get sued? Perhaps you care to rephrase this?
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2007, 02:04:42 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
And yea I wonder who is hosting now, i heard they moved to the Netherlands.
netherlands...oh what a great country. i was just there. it's what america could have been but never was. it's what america was supposed to have been but never became. it's where the true america has always been and always will be.
Wilhelmus van Nassouwe
Ben ik van Duitsen bloed
Den vaderland getrouwe....la lala la la.... ::drummer:: ::boohoo:: ::cheers::
Post by: webdiva on August 18, 2007, 02:16:44 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""And yea I wonder who is hosting now, i heard they moved to the Netherlands.
netherlands...oh what a great country. i was just there. it's what america could have been but never was. it's what america was supposed to have been but never became. it's where the true america has always been and always will be.
Wilhelmus van Nassouwe
Ben ik van Duitsen bloed
Den vaderland getrouwe....la lala la la.... ::drummer:: ::boohoo:: ::cheers::
It's where I wish i were right now, smoking THIS nice bowl of BMS.
Post by: webdiva on August 18, 2007, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Guest""If they allowed every single person to sue them for shit like this they would go broke just defending themselves.If they allowed themselves to get sued? Perhaps you care to rephrase this?
They could edit it, if they weren't a guest. Perhaps they'll ask me. My answer? Perhaps. :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: psy on August 18, 2007, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
That isn't the latest rage.. before everyone started reporting Sue behind every rock and tree there was Karen in Dallas and Ottowa 5 who were the board boogey men who could be found behind every single tree.
Karen turned around. Ottowa... Well.. She isn't much of a threat. Sue, on the other hand, IS, and has attacke fornits twice (officially) now. That isn't even to mention the danger sucessfully scamming Google makes her (parents scared away from WWASP run straight into her arms now).
Post by: Che Gookin on August 18, 2007, 10:16:24 AM
Yes young man the sky is not falling.
Post by: psy on August 18, 2007, 10:21:01 AM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Ursus""I think they meant that it was a false allegation or whatever.. In other words, not. I hate when ppl jump to conclusions: "It's Sue!" "It must be Izzy!" This makes them (I fucking well won't say "us") look like paranoid morons with their heads up their asses and afraid of their own shadows.Quote from: ""initial protester""Obviously the person who trotted out that little conspiracy theory totally missed the point.
Please explain...
Um. Most of the time they are right, actually. Surprising but true, especailly with those two.
Post by: Che Gookin on August 18, 2007, 10:22:40 AM
Post by: psy on August 18, 2007, 10:26:44 AM
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
Using those super special admin powers already?
Yeah. But I don't talk about what i find. It's interesting though, i'll tell you that.
Post by: Bunnie on August 18, 2007, 10:49:20 AM
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That isn't the latest rage.. before everyone started reporting Sue behind every rock and tree there was Karen in Dallas and Ottowa 5 who were the board boogey men who could be found behind every single tree.
What about the Joker over on the HLA threads?
What's his deal?
Post by: Che Gookin on August 18, 2007, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""Using those super special admin powers already?Yeah. But I don't talk about what i find. It's interesting though, i'll tell you that.
QFT
It isn't what you just said but how you said it that makes it so interesting.
Post by: Ursus on August 18, 2007, 12:14:53 PM
Quote from: ""Bunnie""
What about the Joker over on the HLA threads?
What's his deal?
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
It isn't what you just said but how you said it that makes it so interesting.
::bwahaha::
Deal me in, duckies!! I got a good poker face, ha ha haaa! ::seg::
Post by: psy on August 18, 2007, 12:24:08 PM
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
Quote from: ""psy""Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""Using those super special admin powers already?Yeah. But I don't talk about what i find. It's interesting though, i'll tell you that.
QFT
It isn't what you just said but how you said it that makes it so interesting.
You don't have to QFT me, TSW. You know I don't delete my posts. If I say it, I say it. I don't see what's so interesting... but whatever. Keep doing what you're doing! Cheer on with your "give-a-shit 'o' meter" and "bouncing titties 'o' epic program ownage". :roll:
If you don't like the focus being on Sue, do something about it, and stop whining.
Post by: Che Gookin on August 18, 2007, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2007, 03:34:48 PM
Sue's side-kick and friend, Isabelle Zehnder was complaining loudly, too.
Zehnder was accusing posters of death threaths to the extent, that she had to close down her website, CAICA, since she felt she and her family were in such "danger."
Post by: 3xsaSeedling on August 18, 2007, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Kike says what now?
so... what now?!
sorry, guys. I couldn't resist ::peace::
...someone's name is conspicuously absent, suddenly.
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2007, 03:35:51 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
PSY, It wasn't only Sue Scheff who was complaining and who was determined to take fornits off the internet.
Sue's side-kick and friend, Isabelle Zehnder was complaining loudly, too.
Zehnder was accusing posters of death threaths to the extent, that she had to close down her website, CAICA, since she felt she and her family were in such "danger."
izzy did not squat.
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 07:41:01 PM
that's why i always made a point to say on the PV blog that only peaceful protest was the way to go and to tell people not to say anything that sounded otherwise
i mean sure we all want to put these jerks faces on a punching bag
it's only common sense that there would be a hell of a lot of anger and that therefore people would sound angry and talk about wanting to throttle the SOB and such
In a lot of therapy, with real therapists dealing with abuse victims, such anger is encouraged, as it should be
ever seen videos of rape victims beating up dummies
it's pretty angry
it's kind of horribly ironic
they abuse you so you are angry and they they say you are dangerous because you are angry
but it's the old can't be a danger to your self or others thing
every body out of a program knows that one
of course it's just a legal piece of crap that the abusive program leeches would use, and pretty horrible too considering how badly they abuse people and how I really think some of the more scary sounding posts on Fornits are pretty obviously staff from programs and such,
the PV thread it was pretty obvious
and the one on PV on Cafety
Some guy named You all are full of it
was really obvious
and as a person out of PV i recognized the whole theme
you are whining? common what program survivor would say that
And your telling some true horrific story, hardly whining
also you'll say something like programs are evil and very very bad
and you get all these guests or something that get really abusive towards you?
why would someone out of a program do that?
a person out of a program would be like yes programs are evil
they wouldn't start attacking you really aggressively sounding just like a counselor
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 07:44:09 PM
Post by: Froderik on August 22, 2007, 09:05:36 AM
Quote from: ""free free""
they abuse you so you are angry and they they say you are dangerous because you are angry
And that's when it's time to fuck them up! For instance:
"Dangerous, eh? You wanna see 'dangerous,' motherfucker??
I'll show you how 'dangerous' I am..." ::stab:: ::hehehmm::
Or you could always go about dealing with it in a civil, less exciting manner..
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 11:31:56 AM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""free free""they abuse you so you are angry and they they say you are dangerous because you are angryAnd that's when it's time to fuck them up! For instance:
"Dangerous, eh? You wanna see 'dangerous,' motherfucker??
I'll show you how 'dangerous' I am..." ::stab:: ::hehehmm::
Or you could always go about dealing with it in a civil, less exciting manner..
Shoot'em in the back!!!
Post by: psy on August 22, 2007, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
PSY, It wasn't only Sue Scheff who was complaining and who was determined to take fornits off the internet.
Sue's side-kick and friend, Isabelle Zehnder was complaining loudly, too.
Zehnder was accusing posters of death threaths to the extent, that she had to close down her website, CAICA, since she felt she and her family were in such "danger."
Well. I agree that that is probably what happend (ie. I am NOT defending Shamoo), however there was no first-hand complaint from Isabelle, so sue, hypothetically, could have made the whole thing up. why not? 90% of the rest is bullshit.
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 02:45:13 PM
Maybe Izzy needs to write a blog or press release to explain why Scheff might have spoken on Izzy's behalf about knocking Fornits off line with two servers, IF Scheff did in fact speak for Izzy.
Maybe Izzy needs too write a blog or press release explaining why she referred kids to Scheff/PURE; why she referred kids to an escort/transport company; why she wrote the Whitmore blog, and why she decided to take it offline; and why she seems to be distancing herself from Scheff/Pure now that Scheff's been served a lawsuit?
Izzy has lots of questions to answer about herself, CAICA and and Positive Family Solutions.
Post by: psy on August 22, 2007, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Isabelle Zehnder's never been shy about writing blogs or press releases in the past has she?When's the last time you have ever heard Isabelle admit to any mistake at all?
Maybe Izzy needs to write a blog or press release to explain why Scheff might have spoken on Izzy's behalf about knocking Fornits off line with two servers, IF Scheff did in fact speak for Izzy.
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Maybe Izzy needs too write a blog or press release explaining why she referred kids to Scheff/PURE; why she referred kids to an escort/transport company; why she wrote the Whitmore blog, and why she decided to take it offline; and why she seems to be distancing herself from Scheff/Pure now that Scheff's been served a lawsuit?Well. Here's the thing: My prediction is that you won't hear a peep out of her until sueschefftruth.com is indexed again by Google and it (hopefully) lands on page one. Until that point, what motive does she have to respond to a bunch of people who always have and always will hate her (with good reason).
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Izzy has lots of questions to answer about herself, CAICA and and Positive Family Solutions.Answers don't matter if she can ignore the questions. When the questions, facts, and accusations hit her in the face when Googling her name, then she will give a shit. At that point she might create yet another blog respond to fornits and/or send a hollow legal threat to me / Ginger / Janus with which we will subsequently laugh at, publish onj DCHfans, print off, roll into toilet paper, and wipe our collective asses with.
Somebody emailed me asking if I would forgive Isabelle. Well. FIrst off... I'm not the one she needs to be apologizing to (and most certainly not by proxy). Secondly, it's completely irrelavant. As an advocate, she is finished. Her association with Sue and her referral to programs is well documented. Personally, I dont't think that parasite could survive in her own referral business without her "host body", however you never know whose ass she is going to crawl up next (Alex?). From there, where will the contagion spread? My feeling, however, is that she is only going to go after what she sees as money making opportunities. I theorize that advocacy was only valuable to her when she was able to use it to sell referrals or her coaching service...
That's what puzzles me. Why did she dump her coaching service? Customers not happy perhaps? I wonder why? She sure has confidentiality down pat. Just ask Sandy!
I know a lot of people want Izzy's head on a pike right now (that was a metaphor, Sue, you cunt), but in my opinion, Sue Sheff is far greater a danger at the moment. She is fighting hard to supress sites like SueSchefftruth.com and Joyce's statement.
Hey! But She seems to like the name "sueschefftruth". Check out her latest textual abortion (http://http://sueschefftruth.wordpress.com/):
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Thanks for all the help and support. I looked at your website and saw immediately that my son meets most of the criteria for RAD. He was adopted at 3 months and I previously thought that this could not be an issue. I will definitely look into appropriate treatment for this. Thank you very much!!!
Sarah N., FL
I really enjoy speaking with you and cannot thank you enough for all you have done.
Be Blessed,
Carol P., NY
I just wanted to give you an update. Based on your recommendation, I visited [XXXX XXXX] and found it to be a warm, loving environment. I placed my daughter there one month ago. It was unbelievably difficult, but I feel sure that I made the right choice. She is beginning to admit that she has some issues to work on and I can rest assured that she is safe and well cared for. I knew that, if I kept her at home, it was only a matter of time before I would have gotten a call from the police dept., the emergency room or, heaven forbid, the coroner’s office. You may have helped me save my daughter’s life and for that I will be eternally grateful. Thank you so much for your wonderful service!
Diane A., AL
Typical deadorinjail bullshit. I've been a shitty mood all day since I read that filth. Sue Scheff is nothing but a child abuser who has the money to silence her critics trying to tell the truth, and Reputation Defender helps her abuse kids. She slapped her daughter around and sent her to Program for Wicca, WHy the fuck would she care about anybody else's kid. You know what sue, your daughter IS dead. You killed her inside with your cruelty, and where you sent her. She's a droid now, what you always wanted. Congratulations, murderer.
Shut me up you fucking whore. Try it. Punch the fukkin beehive again Bitch, i dare you. In case you haven't noticed a pattern, you keep getting more FUCKED with each sucessive attack on us. So please.. please... try it just once more.
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 07:02:22 PM
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Our services are free; we do not make a profit.
If her services are free and she does not make a profit then how did her company suffer damages by Bock?
Post by: Che Gookin on August 22, 2007, 07:06:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
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Sound like FRAUD. This information should help the greens in their lawsuit. Sounds like false advertising to me.
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 08:54:41 PM
I thought it was a for profit LLC (limited liability corporation?)
Anybody know?
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 09:30:44 PM
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