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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Lolita on February 02, 2009, 05:41:59 PM
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I was required to give a deposition for the Sudweeks' case, but since I was still a minor (barely 17 at the time) I was scared to death of being sent back to that hell. Of course I lied. My mother was there. If she heard me saying negative things, she may have emailed Cheryl what I had said and you know what her answer would have been... "SEND HER ON BACK!!! She's not yet fixed!!" I lied and I lied and I lied. So many lies...
Well, I really hated to do that... but the fear of returning or being sent to a similar facility for telling the truth was simply paralyzing. I'm sure the other kids from Whitmore who are still around here know just what I mean. After years of emotional, mental, and physical abuse, my life was finally normal; just the thought of it all being ripped from me once again was unbearable.
So, my question to you is this... is there anything I can do to correct what I said? I am no longer a minor and cannot be sent away, and I am afraid no longer. I'm worried that now that since the trial is over, I cannot right my wrongs and they will not be punished for what they did. I have tons of evidence... copies of emails, letters, photos that were not allowed to be posted, group newsletters that were not allowed to be posted... all of it saved. All of it here. Can I do anything with this, or is it all simply useless?
I choose not to reveal my name for fear of repercussions from those still inhaling that Kool-Aide...
I do want it to be known however, that I believe I have the most correct account of events that went on in Whitmore as I was 'in the background' most of the time... they simply assumed that my quiet, apparent conformity meant I believed every word, did everything as I was told, etc. My innocent demeanor is very misleading. I believe at some point, for a few months or more at a time, every single one of the other kids were 100% under their control, with the exception of Joey who was not there long enough for brainwashing to occur. I never was - I maintained individual thought, did what I wanted (quietly, of course - and very sneakily), and did not let their bullshit penetrate the concrete wall I set on the boundaries of my mind. I kept a secondary journal, 100% secret from both Cheryl and the students, written in a code I designed myself, containing what REALLY happened that day. The others are correct in a lot of instances, but forget to mention certain important facts or events. If anyone has ANY questions for me whatsoever, please reply and let me know. I want to help. I want everyone to understand exactly what went on there, and why we are all traumatized (or still under their control) and will be for the rest of our lives.
I still have nightmares. I know some of you do, too.
-Lolita
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Some of that material could be posted on IsacCorp, or here. I bet lots of people would appreciate it!
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Definitely... I was just wondering if anyone knew of anything I could do legally against them. I have evidence of things that were not mentioned in the trial, i.e. fraud, forging documents, and possible embezzlement.
Also, I forgot to mention... the Sudweeks stole about $1000 worth of clothing from me when I finally left. All of my winter clothing was in the hangar, including 3 jackets, one of them $300, another $200, and the last one about $100. The rest consisted of jeans, shirts, etc. They supposedly "couldn't find it in the hangar" but we all know that's bullshit. I was there when it was put there, and I remember where it was - I told them the exact spot; they refused to let me come along. Is there anything I can do legally to get it all back, or at least monetary compensation?
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I also used to post here, years ago, back in 2004-2005. I lied a ton back then, too... got me in a good spot with Cheryl & Mark. If you want to know my old handle, PM me and if you can convince me you're not a drone, I just might tell you. But I WILL NOT tell Guests - you must have a legit handle with at least 10 previous posts.
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Can I do anything with this, or is it all simply useless?
Why not post all of it here? Create a "whitmore documents" thread, and post stuff.
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Eventually, I will. But first, I need the money to get the documents from my laptop which failed 2 months before leaving Whitmore. As soon as I have it, I will be posting everything. You can trust me on that. I would extract the documents myself, but as it is a Mac and I know only PCs, I need to pay for a professional to do it, unfortunately.
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by Guest on Yesterday, 08:17
Lolita wrote:
psy wrote:
Lolita wrote:
And it ended... too late. I wish I could've been part of it - I lied in my deposition for fear of being sent back to that place, or to another facility as I was still a minor when the deposition was taken. Too scared... too mortal. Maybe if the court had seen my evidence, they would've gotten just what they deserved. For more info, read my thread...
This deposition was in the criminal, not civil case, correct?
Correct.
That's strange. There was never any deposition in the criminal case. I don't know who you are coming on this site impersonating a survivor, but it's pretty apparent to everybody. Whatever your reason for coming on here with "bait" and wanting to contact Joey or any other actual Whitmore survivors can't be good. My guess is you're little miss Sue Scheff, and if that's so, I suggest you go do the world a favor and wash your fucking mouth out with buckshot.
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::fullofshit::
That's strange. There was never any deposition in the criminal case. I don't know who you are coming on this site impersonating a survivor, but it's pretty apparent to everybody. Whatever your reason for coming on here with "bait" and wanting to contact Joey or any other actual Whitmore survivors can't be good. My guess is you're little miss Sue Scheff, and if that's so, I suggest you go do the world a favor and wash your fucking mouth out with buckshot. :twofinger:
Excuse me, but apparently you know very little about this whole thing, Mr. Guest. Who are you, first of all, going on here anonymously and expecting us all to take your word? Who the hell are you? You know nothing, and you're flaunting that. I was there, I did give a deposition recorded on tape and recorded in writing. There were depositions taken for the criminal case. Why don't you ask some of the other kids? I wasn't the only one who gave one. Not everyone did, of course, but there was a good amount. Next time, make sure you've got your story straight before slinging insults and accusations. It just makes you look like an idiot.
Fuck you too, asshole.
(Awww, the poor idiot doesn't know how to carry over quotes correctly. You sad, sad little thing.)
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Actually, the guest is correct. There was no deposition in the criminal case. If you have a supposed video deposition or one in writing, please post it.
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Maybe Lolita doesn't know the difference between a recorded and written "Statement" and a "Deposition."
She claims she was a minor when she gave this lie-filed "WHATEVER IT WAS."
But PSY's correct, she should have a copy to post.
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Maybe Lolita doesn't know the difference between a recorded and written "Statement" and a "Deposition."
She claims she was a minor when she gave this lie-filed "WHATEVER IT WAS."
But PSY's correct, she should have a copy to post.
When lawyers from both sides of a case fly in to your city to sit down with you and ask you all sorts of questions about the case while recording it on a tape recorder and have someone there to write the conversation out, that's a deposition. Maybe it was the civil case, after all. This was 3 years ago.
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Maybe it was the civil case, after all. This was 3 years ago.
Maybe it was the civil case? LOL. Oh wow. You're a credible one. Why don't you go back and re-register under some other name. This con is over. Bye bye now.
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Maybe it was the civil case, after all. This was 3 years ago.[/color]
Trying to somebody into talking about something? Ain't gonna work. Get gone.
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Oh YEA. Maybe it was the Civil Case??? As if there's not a lot of difference between a CRIMINAL CASE and Civil Case.
That's really, really funny! :rofl:
What a bunch of bullshit! :bs: :bs: :bs:
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Imagine that - Attorneys from both sides of a case making a house-call to get a statement/deposition from LOLITA!
LOLITA must have been a very important witness!
The Sudweeks must be shaking in their boots, knowing LOLITA has turned against them!
Cheryl's gonna be mad, when she hears about this. :flame:
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Wow, it's so fucking obvious that was the same person, three times over. Are you so insecure in your words that you must act as if two people agree with you?
And for your information (not that you'll retain it - you seem highly mentally incapacitated) I was one of her favorites. So yeah, she would be pretty mad.
Apparently you really don't care at all for the kids hurt by them. All you want is drama. Drama, drama, drama. You probably beat your own kids! You have no empathy. You just want some excitement. It's painfully obvious. I suggest you seek it elsewhere. Child abuse is a very serious issue especially when it involves so many kids, but all you want to do is bitch, bitch, bitch about Cheryl and Mark. Did you ever stop to think for a moment that the kids are the important figures in this case? Instead of just bitching and complaining about them, why not talk about the hurt the kids had to endure? What about the trauma that still clings to many of them to this day, and probably won't ever subside? Did you ever even consider that?
No, I don't think you did... because you're all about the excitement & the drama. You have no empathy. You truly don't give a damn about the ones hurt by them.
You care so much more about Cheryl & Mark than you do about the abused children! Well, I've got two words for you... FUCK OFF. Asshole.
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And for your information (not that you'll retain it - you seem highly mentally incapacitated) I was one of her favorites.
How special! :jamin:
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And that's all you can say.
:twofinger:
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Lolita, How long did you go to Whitmore Academy? Did you graduate there?
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Look, "Lolita". The guests, as blunt as the might be, have a point. The details of your story don't line up. The holes in your story was what initially prompted me to ask "This deposition was in the criminal, not civil case, correct?". Sorry, but that was a trick question, and you failed the test. There were no depositions in the criminal case.
You then try to state the deposition was in the civil case. Sorry, but that's bullshit. First of all, people don't confuse civil and criminal cases. Secondly, there are reasons why it is not possible that you had a depo taken in the civil case. (but hey... if you want to prove me wrong and post your "deposition"... prove me wrong. you shoudl have copies, right? :roflmao: )
Come back some other time under another (less provocative) name. Lose the Manson quote and the pink text. You're trying to hard to fit in with people you clearly do not understand (ironic you accuse the guests here of "drama"). Also, you might want to avoid slamming Joyce in the first two posts. It's a bit obvious to people who know the backstory.
Why you continue to post here is a mystery. Maybe you're hoping people will forget that you got exposed as a fraud, or that some survivors will contact you. Well. I got news for you: the Whitmore people I am in contact with have been talking about your posts and they spotted more bullshit than I did. Next time you're going to try to be an impostor or agent provocateur, might I suggest actually doing some research first.
I'll play dumb when there is even a slight chance a person is telling the truth, or it endangers nobody, but those two conditions don't apply here. As the guest put it, whatever reasons you have for wanting to contact Joey or other Whitmore survivors can't be good. I'm fairly protective over actual survivors.
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Re: What is your age & the level and focus of your education
by Lolita » Yesterday, 20:56
Age: 20
Associates in Social Sciences
Bachelors in Psychology in progress
Also, was valedictorian and graduated at 16.
A lot of people think kids from programs are stupid for some reason. Time to prove them wrong.“This is the culture you're raising your kids in. Don't be surprised if it blows up in your face.”
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Re: What is your age & the level and focus of your education
by Lolita » Yesterday, 20:56
Age: 20
Associates in Social Sciences
Bachelors in Psychology in progress
Also, was valedictorian and graduated at 16.
A lot of people think kids from programs are stupid for some reason. Time to prove them wrong.“This is the culture you're raising your kids in. Don't be surprised if it blows up in your face.”
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You then try to state the deposition was in the civil case. Sorry, but that's bullshit. First of all, people don't confuse civil and criminal cases.
I don't know Psy. I can see how a kid could get this confused. Especially if they are being in any way coerced and feel threatened. They may not ask a lot of questions and may make large assumptions.
I do find it odd tho that there is all this evidence, and then oops, its on a dysfunctional Mac. I didn't think Mac's went south like that. Thats what my Mac friends tell me anyway.
Lottie - if your telling the truth, plenty of people would love to see what ever you have. If your lying I can't imagine what you think to gain from it.
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Lolita states she attended Whitmore for 3 years. Is this where she graduated at age 16?
Nine months is NOTHING compared to my 3 years of living with them, asshole. You'll learn eventually... hang around there long enough. You'll see!“This is the culture you're raising your kids in. Don't be surprised if it blows up in your face.”
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Sounds like Tori
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Tori returned to Whitmore the later part of 2004 as a so-called counselor at the age of 18; so she couldn't have been threatened to be returned to Whitmore. Cheryl copped her plea bargain about September 2006, and the civil case wasn't filed until 2005. Wonder when the attorneys started taking depositions?
Lolita must have been enrolled at Whitmore at about age 13, if she graduated at age 16 "as valedictorian." That in itself is funny as hell: Valedicorian of Whitmore Academy? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Greetings Lolita:
Would anything in your documents deal with medical insurance? When our son was there, we were told that we could directly bill our medical insurance. Back then we had killer benifits. We found out AFTER our son was home, and we had paid the Sudweeks $6500.00 for money that we "owed" to get our son back that their system of billing was out of whack.
From what we were told a therapist or group of therapists are under the umbrella of a psychiatrist, who gives them the billing codes. The therapist at Whitmore used a bunch of codes but they weren't the correct ones. Also, the amount we paid at the end was almost identical to what was to be billed. There were other items that we had asked that our son receive that would have been paid for 100% that he never got.
Hope your doing better...
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Lolita,
I won't believe or not believe what you are saying. Best way about this would be to retrieve the documents and send them to someone who can get them to the right people. I'm leaning on you sending them to Buzzkill as she knows a few of the main players in the Whitmore disaster. I'm sure she'd be happy to pass them along to the right person/persons. Be careful what you post on the internet as if the documents have real value in a court room that might negate their value. Not sure how it works, but think carefully before posting everything up for public consumption.
Good luck
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Lolita,
I won't believe or not believe what you are saying. Best way about this would be to retrieve the documents and send them to someone who can get them to the right people. I'm leaning on you sending them to Buzzkill as she knows a few of the main players in the Whitmore disaster. I'm sure she'd be happy to pass them along to the right person/persons. Be careful what you post on the internet as if the documents have real value in a court room that might negate their value. Not sure how it works, but think carefully before posting everything up for public consumption.
Good luck
Can't imagine why you suggest such a thing. I don't know any of the parties involved any better than you do. If there are documents that may be of interest I'd suggest they go to www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org). That's all I would do if I had them. There's no reason at all for me to ever see them.
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Yeah send them along to ISAC like Buzz suggests, not sure why I thought that would be a good idea either.