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Open Free for All / Re: Suicide
« on: August 15, 2010, 01:29:56 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "BuzzKill"
Reformed 12 stepper:

These private, for profit, peer pressure/synanon based programs do indeed push kids over the edge. This is the intent. Then, supposedly, they build them back - or get them "fully baked" as WWASP would say. But once you have devastated a persons very identity and called into question all they have believed and trusted, you can never put them back together without there being a few cracks - and this is assuming they survive the shattering. As you've seen, some do not. PTSD is extremely common.  This is often added to the already present burden of pre-existing mental health or emotional disorders that have been grossly mismanaged by these programs.  Its no wonder suicide is such a looming issue.

You mention all one would miss out on thats fun - but keep in mind for a truly depressed person nothing is fun. This is the problem.

I'd advise those feeling this way to remember they have enjoyed life and they can again - depression is not a permanent state; death and what ever comes after it, is. By all means see a doctor - go to the hospital and tell them what your considering. If your uninsured tell them you need to see a social worker to apply for medicaid or assistance from what ever the local community offers. There are often many resources available people are unaware of. You might even qualify for SSI or disability if you get a proper diagnosis, and there are social workers who can help you apply. There are lawyers who will help for a cut of the first check which is always a whopper as it goes back to when you applied and the application process takes a long time.

As anger is commonly associated with depression consider legal and productive avenues to express it - Art, music and writing for example, can be excellent ways to work through this.

I want to correct someone (forget who and don't want to go searching) that spoke of Layne Brown. Layne was not a suicide. His heart gave out.


I would very much like to see the both of you fast forward to 2010 and stop referencing everything from 30-40 years ago. You two are also giving away your ages. :)
I would like to agree with you that severe depression was caused by these programs but that is not a direct accurate clinical statement. I would say rage, hostility, fear and not knowing how to express these emotions, can get someone into some very destructive habits, which then could lead indirectly to depression. Most folks I have run into that have "PTSD" it is really rageand they do not know now to get rid of it. Just my two cents.

Good reading......

John Herald Lee
Excerpt from http://thenangersolutionbyjohnlee.blogspot.com/

Being Judge and Jury As Soft Rage--Lesson 12
When someone is angry but doesn’t know how to express it appropriately
they very often fall back on a tactic that was probably used on them
...since childhood and they have become masters of in adulthood—judging.
This form of raging requires that the individual have an imaginary robe
and a gavel handy at all times.See More
http://thenangersolutionbyjohnlee.blogspot.com/
thenangersolutionbyjohnlee.blogspot.com

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Open Free for All / Re: Suicide
« on: August 15, 2010, 01:11:38 PM »
I have been reading the posts here concerning friends that committed suicide, attempted suicide and how programs push people to suicide. I have one problem here I don't see anyone here that is qualified to give advice or state clinically that this particular person committed suicide as a direct result from punitive damages from the specific program.
Now I know you can cite studies and surveys ect..but what you have not done is taken the specific person you are referencing and had a study done on them. I think we need to be careful throwing this "suicide" word around as if any unprofessional can make a case.
I am not trying to cause a unnecessary argument here, I would just like to get more clarity from the individuals making these claims to elaborate more if they choose to. Better yet if we have a professional in the house who would like to elaborate.
I am of the opinion these untimely deaths are a mixture of ingredients, the "program" being a 1/4 portion of the ingredients, family, mental and physical health being the others in this bowl, of course this is my opinion.
I said above that I am not looking for a fight or argument, I also was in a program and several people committed suicide years after they were there, was this because of there involvement with the program we were at, I can not professionally say. I do know 2 of the people I am referencing suffered from depression and the other was bi-polar, though we did not call it that then.
There families were not very active in there treatment plan, calling them, visiting them or sending them gift packages. I could never understand how some parents could send there children away and stop all communication.
If your thinking the program was responsible for this you are wrong they were not, 95% of the parents came for visits, called the kids, sent letters and gift packages ect....I asked my parents to send this one friend of mine a gift package so he would get one.
I will comment more later.
I am once again very sorry for your friends deaths, suicide is a very sad death to accept, it seems at times so unnecessary.Then other times very plausible.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: aparently, adults want to go to programs too
« on: August 15, 2010, 12:28:45 PM »
Not to be confrontational but what is the purpose of posting a incident that happened over a year ago, we are well aware of the story going back to your first posting. Is this for archival reasons for this Web Site. Some of the posting are redundant stories copied by the same poster, Ursus.
I am confused.

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Open Free for All / Re: Fornits AA/NA Chapter
« on: August 15, 2010, 12:23:05 PM »
reformed12stepper,

Thanks for more insight there. I think the people you are referring to who have no one in there life at the exact time they get sober, use AA as a hobby (so to speak) it fills the huge void left by their destructive life style.
AA does not have to be a life time choice, many fellow members do not go to AA on a regular bases as they once did. They were able to get sober and sustain the sobriety, made some friends, built some character and gradually moved on. These folks will check in from time to time but it is not mandatory for them to stay sober nor do they see it that way.
AA is a choice and how you go about making your decisions while attending AA is critical in the lasting opinion you will have of your time there. You are responsible for your success in AA, not the others you meet. This is your decision.
12, you talk about the freedom to make decisions and so forth concerning drug addictions and alcoholism, there is a point in both afflictions that medically they can no longer make a "free choice". There many decisions we can make, I agree but I also know those same free decisions can also be taken away.

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Open Free for All / Re: Fornits AA/NA Chapter
« on: August 15, 2010, 12:00:59 AM »
None-Ya,
Hey thanks for the serenity prayer. One of my favorites. You are right, "if only".

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Open Free for All / Re: Fornits AA/NA Chapter
« on: August 14, 2010, 10:15:16 PM »
reformed12stepper,
I am so happy that you have reformed and found that you no longer have to abuse drugs and/or alcohol. Many never seem to get the answer that you have so graciously received and die a agonizing death.
Watching someone die from alcohol poisoning, cirrhosis of the liver ect...is a sad experience.
Drug dreams, as they are called are very real for the addict, early on in his recovery. They are very vivid and scary for the individual having them.
I am not sure what your point was concerning whether addiction is a disease or habit and if one or the other has anything to do with dreaming about using drugs. Please elaborate more on this, if you can.
I agree with you that the 12 steps are not the only way to recover.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Strikes Close to Home..
« on: August 14, 2010, 10:05:28 PM »
http://www.asd-1817.org/
American School of the Deaf
American School for the Deaf High School Senior to Receive Kiwanis Club Award ... 139 North Main Street West Hartford, CT 06107 (860) 570-2300

This school has been a savior for many, I can only hope they can offer some assistance to your friend and his situation.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: Bullshit Propoganda from Ridgecreek "School"
« on: August 14, 2010, 09:57:04 PM »
Joel, I have been reading some of your posts or rebuttals you have written, especially to DannyB II, Suck IT and Whooter. I am not abreast to your relationship with them (the intricacies) , which is fine, but I have noticed a particular trend of yours. There is the obvious, first, you're a critic of them often, second, you try to invalidate what they post and third, which is the strangest, you go on to talk with the jargon, I guess you used in your program, what ? 15 yrs. ago.  Why do you communicate with others in this weird lingo/shop talk?    
I don't believe DannyB II was even in a program such as yours, Whooter was not and Suck IT could not care less. Joel why are you still stuck in this time warp, when you were in your program?
You really have a problem here Joel, I think.
Whenever DannyB II comments, you have to interfere with your projections, theorizing  what you think he is communicating according to your  experiences with your particular program.
Just trying to help, Joel.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Post your positive program experiences
« on: August 10, 2010, 04:07:59 PM »
I can see that many of you started posting very early this morning. I am already at work at the time you members post. How exactly do you do it. You must be still at home or you have bosses that don't have a constant eye on you.
Now on to the topic of the thread.
My only positive experience is my friend Johann, making it through his program in one piece. Johann was a very angry
young man when his mother sent him away, I believe he was 15yrs. and came back home at 17yrs. Yes, this is right because he finished his last year of high school with our class.
Johann seemed a bit awkward when he first got back home, like he wanted to explain something to me but could not. I found this to be true because he would often start conversations then trail off in thought and say, never mind". He appeared always preoccupied. Over the school year this seemed to pass until Johann was just like the old Johann but better. Whatever it was that was making him so angry all the time had been resolved.
There is so much more I could get into concerning Johann but I really don't believe it is my place. I feel like I would be breaking are bond we share.
Well that is all I have to share on this topic.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Post your positive program experiences
« on: August 09, 2010, 09:56:00 PM »
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
And of course we have the resident sick fuck ready to step in.

Let's say I kept a dog in the basement. No air, no outside, just a tiny cage.

Then after a year of that, I threw a bone between the bars with tiny scraps of meat left, and it gnaws on it hungrily while it sits there mangy and neglected.

Did I show compassion to the dog? The dog sure appreciated that bone.

That's not compassion. That's just plain sick. It's like leaving a man in the desert and then pissing on his face when he's dehydrated, and saying how compassionate you are when he drinks your piss. But they did this to him for so long that now HE's thinking it's compassion.

This is some foul fucking shit.

From what I have read about you PODKs you have no conceptual bases for saying any of the things you say. Other then to be a anarchist. Your extreme antics are childish and demonstrates your lack of self worth.
Why you get the attention you do is beyond me.
Please hold up your end of the spectrum Pile, we all need to see the darkness at times but know this it is only one color.
A very isolated and lonely shade.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Post your positive program experiences
« on: August 09, 2010, 07:52:06 PM »
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
No, "very disgusting" is when you send your kids to get abused and then make statements commending troll threads in which people said that such abuse was positive.

3guys1hammer is mild by comparison.

PODKs, I don't believe your message is being received they way you want it to.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Post your positive program experiences
« on: August 09, 2010, 06:57:56 PM »
It is encouraging to see the positive messages coming from parents and students.
Off topic for a second but why is "PODK's" so enthralled with posting very disgusting
video's and pictures. What exactly does he think he is accomplishing other then telling
everyone he is a sadistic weirdo. That is the only message that I can see he is sending.

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Open Free for All / Re: Suicide
« on: August 09, 2010, 06:49:26 PM »
Quote
Whooter wrote:
"If there were defined signs that we could look out for and we could intervene I believe that most feelings of suicide could be abated by very simple intervention and time. I don’t feel people spend their whole lives wishing to die, just small segments in which they become vulnerable and we miss the opportunity to save them".

Whooter, I am new here and I thought I would sort of introduce myself by saying thank you for your comments concerning suicide. Especially the comments above.
Families do miss the signs, especially in today two parent working households, children are left alone and unattended to for far to long, on a day to day bases.
Parents do need to pay attention more today then ever, it seems that mental disorders and personality disorders are more prevalent today then ever, this could also have to do with the large baby boomers population and consequently their large population of children.
I agree people do not wish to die from the time they were born, at least anecdotally I don't think so. That is why I believe that having a spiritual inner guide during times when trust with humans has been compromised is so important.
This forum is very interesting, in so far as the people here seem to miss opportunities to really join together and send a message to the public. That we are diverse in our opinions yet we are not in our ambitions to see children are not abused.
I had some thoughts I wanted to share, I have been poking around for about a month, just trying to get a feel for the place here. Whether I would fit in or not. I think I can have some positive input here. We will see.

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Open Free for All / Re: Fornits AA/NA Chapter
« on: August 09, 2010, 06:21:46 PM »
These two posters do seem to take alcohol and drugs very lightly. It is not funny.
I don't have vast experience with AA/NA but a limited exposure. In my brief time
with AA, I learned that it does help the alcoholic and his family recover from a seemingly
hopeless state of affairs.
You can just see the evidence in there faces.

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Open Free for All / Re: Fornits AA/NA Chapter
« on: August 09, 2010, 06:04:48 PM »
Have you two been in AA, before. You sound like you have.

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