On 2004-04-08 09:28:00, still doing fine wrote:
. Eleven years later I am a happy, productive member of society.
Karate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and years of training can, using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the history of the world.
-- Dave Barry
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923
On 2004-04-09 05:57:00, still doing fine wrote:
Do people not die from drug and alochol addictions every day?
If it were easy to just put drugs down then why don't people do it?
A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper. He must free himself from the habit, just as soon as something does not please him, of calling for the police.
Ludwig Von Mises
The body of
Benjamin Franklin, printer,
(Like the cover of an old book,
Its contents worn out,
And scripts of it's lettering and gilding)
Lies Here, food for worms!
Yet the work itself shall not be lost,
For it will, as he believed, appear once more
In a new
And more beautiful edition,
Corrected and amended
By it's Author!
Epitaph for himself.
--Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790
When a man you like switches from what he said a year ago, or four years ago, he is a broad-minded person who has courage enough to change his mind with changing conditions. When a man you don't like does it, he is a liar who has broken his promise.
-- FRANKLIN P.ADAMS (1861-1960).
On 2004-04-11 10:27:00, still doing fine wrote:
"We have never promoted Miller Netwon's ideas or philosophies. I do not work at the program any longer but still keep in touch with it. "
Wicked men obey from fear, good men from love.
--Aristotle
On 2004-04-12 09:40:00, still doing fine wrote:
"Nothing will make you happy. Because you are unhappy with the way your life is and you are looking to blame someone or soemthing besides yourself you look towards programs that change people's lives for the positive."
After all, who wouldn't prefer Middle Earth, unless they've been corrupted by a Ring of Power?
December 24, 2002
On 2004-04-12 09:40:00, still doing fine wrote:
"Nothing will make you happy. Because you are unhappy with the way your life is and you are looking to blame someone or soemthing besides yourself you look towards programs that change people's lives for the positive. Take some responsibility for how your life turned out. I was not abused in any way and you cannot force me to believe that. "
I was not abused in any way and you cannot force me to believe that. "
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown, _Peanuts_ [Charles Schulz]
On 2004-04-12 09:40:00, still doing fine wrote:
"Nothing will make you happy. Because you are unhappy with the way your life is and you are looking to blame someone or soemthing besides yourself you look towards programs that change people's lives for the positive. Take some responsibility for how your life turned out. I was not abused in any way and you cannot force me to believe that. "
Life is like a shit sandwich; the more bread you got, the less shit you gotta eat.
--Anonymous
On 2004-04-12 12:52:00, still doing fine wrote:
"Give it up. Your point is clear. I don't agree with it but I hear what you are saying. Focus your efforts somewhere else. Your mission is obviously failing. You try so hard to get programs shut down and it is not going to happen with Kids Helping Kids. It has been in operation since the early 80's and it continues to thrive. If they were doing illegal or unethical practices then they would have been shut down. And they would not be certified by the state and other agencies. Give it up, or continue to watse your time. They will be around for a long time."
"Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."
--William S. Burroughs
"If they were doing illegal or unethical practices then they would have been shut down. And they would not be certified by the state and other agencies."
Actually, there are plenty of WWASP schools out here in Utah that are still operating regardless of the countless children who have died and been seriously injured under the disguise of "treatment".
Tell me, what do you think is the necessary ingredient for having a "treatment" center shut down? Death? Well, obviously it has not been the ingredient here...poor kids die out in the heat of our desert every summer, Ian August is a prime example, yet the place is still operating. Some simply have heat strokes and are left permanently disabled.
From where I am sitting, the Lichfield's have just enough money to keep the "authorities" at bay, and the places are still up and running,(and certified) in southern Utah.
The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
On 2004-04-09 14:00:00, still doing fine wrote:
"Were you in the Kids Helping Kids program? If not then you have no room to talk about what the staff does!!! Because I learned how to follow rules I am successful today. You have no clue. One other question. If the program is doing illegal things then why has it not been shut down? You people seem to have so much time on your hands why have you not been able to get anything accomplished with having it shut down? New kids enter treatment there every week. It is still successful and will continue to be. When you get the statistics on how many young people die from drug use we'll talk then. If you do not have first hand experience with the program I am not interested in what you have to say. It is frivolous to me. "
On 2004-05-03 20:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2004-04-09 14:00:00, still doing fine wrote:
"Were you in the Kids Helping Kids program? If not then you have no room to talk about what the staff does!!! Because I learned how to follow rules I am successful today. You have no clue. One other question. If the program is doing illegal things then why has it not been shut down? You people seem to have so much time on your hands why have you not been able to get anything accomplished with having it shut down? New kids enter treatment there every week. It is still successful and will continue to be. When you get the statistics on how many young people die from drug use we'll talk then. If you do not have first hand experience with the program I am not interested in what you have to say. It is frivolous to me. "
Yes it is evident that you were taught how to believe anything that you are told!
"A repentant journalist admitted that during the summer of 1986, he and his colleagues were guilty of "cooking figures and using alarmist headlines and prose... to convince readers that practically everyone they know is addicted to crack, and that they too are likely to be addicted soon." ... "the drug crisis in America is more than a story, it's an addiction? and a dangerous one... We know the rush that comes from supporting these claims with a variety of questionable figures, graphs, and charts and often we enjoy it. Blatant sensationalism is a high."
SOURCE: THE GREAT DRUG WAR (Trebach)
p.s. I'm working on the statistics for you...
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On 2004-05-21 19:41:00, just_a_chick_03 wrote:When I was there I never heard of anyone being in KHK that got high only once or drank a few times. Were you ever in KHK?? I have never heard of Kidscope. Maybe you are confused.
"Thats a lie
I remember several people that got high once, or only drank a few times"
On 2004-05-22 12:55:00, just_a_chick_03 wrote:I am not calling you a liar. I just was very surprised to hear that there was a branch of KHK because the KHK program does not acknowledge having a branch. Someone must of just decided to just start their own program and took some people from KHK with them. They are in no way affiliated with KHK. God knows what they are doing over there.
"i was in a branch of khk
the staff was from khk
where do you think they got their experience from?"
On 2004-05-22 16:49:00, Don Smith wrote:This is also the only one I have ever heard of. According to KHK there is only one program with no other branches.
"The only branch of KHK that I know of is in the old Straight building on Branch Hill Guniea Pike in Milford, Ohio (a suburb of Cincy)
Prior to being in that location they operated in Northern Kentucky.
They are on the WWW at http://khk.cc (http://khk.cc)
Don"
On 2004-05-22 21:28:00, just_a_chick_03 wrote:
"well there was one in the outskirts of columbus ohio in canal winchester in a shopping strip
jordie or gordie - i forget (a total dick by the way),mike hilt, some bug eyed bitch named michelle, a girl i like heidi, amy bornman, jeff travis (whose mom was on the board of kidscope), tracy - i forget her last name, danielle (total snotty bitch) were all on staff there and all from khk
i was in kidscope from 87 to 89 and it closed early 90's like 91"
On 2004-04-09 05:57:00, still doing fine wrote:
"How arrogant to assume that your history is the same as mine!!!! You know nothing about me or my past history with drugs and alcohol. Do people not die from drug and alochol addictions every day? If it were easy to just put drugs down then why don't people do it? Sounds like if they cannot help themselves then someone nedds to help them. We may differ on that opinion. I do know that I was not abused or tormented while in treatment at Kids Helping Kids. "
On 2004-04-12 12:52:00, still doing fine wrote:
"Give it up. Your point is clear. I don't agree with it but I hear what you are saying. Focus your efforts somewhere else. Your mission is obviously failing. You try so hard to get programs shut down and it is not going to happen with Kids Helping Kids. It has been in operation since the early 80's and it continues to thrive. If they were doing illegal or unethical practices then they would have been shut down. And they would not be certified by the state and other agencies. Give it up, or continue to watse your time. They will be around for a long time."
On 2004-06-24 10:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All I have to say is....
You can tell the difference between the people who went through KHK and the people who went through STRAIGHT!!!
"
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
On 2005-07-12 00:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"spent time in KHK. And yes i am doing fine now. but it is in no way, due to the abuse that i received while there emotionally, mentally and physically. I was terminated after not working their program for eight months. Did more drugs than i ever did before i went in. Received a college degree, during which time i quit all drugs other than alchohol, spent time in the Marines, greatly improved relations with my parents. I am now engaged and in law school. Meanwhile i never bought into their bullshit, and hope to see them shut down and prosecuted for criminal child abuse."
There is something feeble and contemptible about a man who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
On 2004-04-09 00:04:00, Antigen wrote:
"Quote
On 2004-04-08 09:28:00, still doing fine wrote:
. Eleven years later I am a happy, productive member of society.
Over 20 years later and so am I. Now that I'm older, my focus is more on my kids' world and their children's. Over the years, I've seen lunatic fanaticism over drugs take over the public policy on which I depend to keep my children's America alive.
Look, folks, drugs are just not that powerful! You take them or leave them, use them to good effect or put them down; knowing and taking the consequences either way. They don't control a person to the point where someone else has to step in and take over their right to self determination. They're no or moore less trecherous than lust for power or money or any other object of obsession.
If you bust your kid w/ a joint, it does not simplify whatever other issues that might exist between you down to "Welp, kid needs treatment!". It's barely significan't at all. If anyone steps up to you trying to say that's the root of all evil and they have the patented cure for it, they're pissing down your leg! Wake the hell up and smell the amonia!Karate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and years of training can, using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the history of the world.
-- Dave Barry
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On 2005-10-09 23:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
The self-hatred, the people not wanting to get involved with you anymore, the depression, the fights with loved ones, oh man it's a vicious cycle. And once it starts? Well, what's that nice, convenient, powerful answer that is always there and will always embrace you? DRUGS.
The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting; 2. fleeing; 3.feeding; and 4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course
On 2005-11-22 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the post[ This Message was edited by: TheWho on 2006-02-18 11:12 ]
"Drugs are fucking GREAT! I'm glad I got sent to a program 'cause I learned about all the other drugs I had been missing out on. I don't think I ever would have tried crystal meth, cocaine, or heroin if I hadn't heard how great they were from other people in the program.
That's the best thing I walked away from the program with, a desire to do more drugs."
On 2004-04-08 09:28:00, still doing fine wrote:
"I read a response from someone who chose to be anonymous. Your response was to Reality check. I graduated from the Kids Helping Kids program 11 years ago. I believe it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I was an out of control kid who did not care what happened to myself. I was unable at that point in time to love or care about myself. I was obsessed with drugs and alcohol because that is what took the pain away. I thank God that my parents loved me enough to place me there. When I could not love myself I had a whole group of people that loved me. Eleven years later I am a happy, productive member of society. I did not need intense psychotherapy in order to heal from the ordeal. I never want to forget my time spent there. I am now married, have a home and am getting to ready to have children. I am a successful graduate from college with a good career. Maybe if some people's life did not turn out so well they should take a look in the mirror as to why. Whatever measures took place at Kids Helping Kids I believe that I needed them. Nothing else was working at that point. So please don't assume your experience was the same as mine. "
On 2005-11-22 16:24:00, Anonymous wrote:I just cant help but comment, it just seems very assuming that what you experienced will occur the same way in others. "Still doing fine" may have awoken at KHK and not the opposite as you believe. We all hit milestones along the way which causes us to stop and reflect on our past which lead us to this point, but rarely do people need to reconcile at each milestone and typically one single event doesnt shape our being, rather it is a combination of steps and decisions that we have made along the way that further cements the real you.
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On 2004-04-08 09:28:00, still doing fine wrote:
"I read a response from someone who chose to be anonymous. Your response was to Reality check. I graduated from the Kids Helping Kids program 11 years ago. I believe it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I was an out of control kid who did not care what happened to myself. I was unable at that point in time to love or care about myself. I was obsessed with drugs and alcohol because that is what took the pain away. I thank God that my parents loved me enough to place me there. When I could not love myself I had a whole group of people that loved me. Eleven years later I am a happy, productive member of society. I did not need intense psychotherapy in order to heal from the ordeal. I never want to forget my time spent there. I am now married, have a home and am getting to ready to have children. I am a successful graduate from college with a good career. Maybe if some people's life did not turn out so well they should take a look in the mirror as to why. Whatever measures took place at Kids Helping Kids I believe that I needed them. Nothing else was working at that point. So please don't assume your experience was the same as mine. "
Some day you will get beyond the limitations of you current memories and the program speak which permiates your reality - and when you do, hopefully you will remember this exhcange and the folks on this fourm. Rest assured you sure as hell aren't going to get a lick of sympathy, understanding or support from your KHK program friends or staff members once you start asking questions.
I was interred at The Seed 30+ years ago at age 15(1973) and I am not lying when I write this: No matter what age you are when you wake up, it's still difficult to reconcile what really happend to you with what you have believed about yourself all those years. You'll see. Best of luck to you now and always.
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On 2005-11-21 22:00:00, Antigen wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-10-09 23:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
The self-hatred, the people not wanting to get involved with you anymore, the depression, the fights with loved ones, oh man it's a vicious cycle. And once it starts? Well, what's that nice, convenient, powerful answer that is always there and will always embrace you? DRUGS.
Granted, substance abuse has it's dangers. But so do many other things we abuse and use to undo ourselves. But coercive thought reform is a MUCH more efficient way to induce self-hatred, isolation, depression, violent scorched earth level fights w/ loved ones. And where does it all start? Sadly, too often, w/ a couple of housewives freebasing their niccotine over coffe or a couple of drinks, stokeing each others highly unpleasant fantasies about the mighty awsome power of those other drugs that are hated and illegal right now.
In other words, by comparison, the Program is far more dangerous to your mental and emotional wellbeing and relationships than any drug.The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting; 2. fleeing; 3.feeding; and 4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course
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On 2005-12-01 09:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think in some cases it is the original environment the child is in that is the danger. Sometimes taking them out of that environment, whether it be a bad home, or bad friends, is the only way to stop the cycle."
On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
On 2005-11-22 14:10:00, LittleCat wrote:
"QuoteThat is true!! I started smoking pot in high school and after 3 years I moved onto Mescaline (brown organic rocks!!). I think the pot raised my awareness and made me smart enough to realize that I needed to move onto better stuff. I still smoke pot once in a while, but after I wake up, some days, and rmember I blew my paycheck on coke I feel really stupid. Maybe I should stick with pot and work on getting my G.E.D. I wish more people would write articles like that, it makes me feel better about my choices and shit.
On 2005-11-22 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Drugs are fucking GREAT! I'm glad I got sent to a program 'cause I learned about all the other drugs I had been missing out on. I don't think I ever would have tried crystal meth, cocaine, or heroin if I hadn't heard how great they were from other people in the program.
That's the best thing I walked away from the program with, a desire to do more drugs."
Thanks for the post"