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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Mr. Loar on March 26, 2004, 07:44:00 AM

Title: the correct facts
Post by: Mr. Loar on March 26, 2004, 07:44:00 AM
My daughter Jennifer called me yesterday, cracking up laughing, telling me a story about some things said about her, me and her mother here.  I had her come to my office to show this to me so I could grasp what she was talking about.  I have been bothered since.  She may find pity for whoever wrote such things, I do not.  First, she may not take threats seriously, I do and I have no hesitation in contacting my attorney if that is necessary.  I would hope it is not.  Second, wherever the idea that we gave one more penny to Straight after they kept Jennifer on 5th phase for over 14 months because we could house and feed so many girls is bullshit.  It took me and Jennifer's mom a while to figure out we were being used but we finally did.  The truth of the matter is that we gave Ann Petito a specific day that we expected Jennifer to FINALLY commence on or we would pull her and lo and behold that is the Friday she commenced.  We would have not ever agreed to put Jennifer back in Straight and she was emancipated at 16 so we could not have even if they encouraged us to - which did not happen.  As far as Jennifer's sexual behavior, which really is none of your business, she has spoken to us about how she acted out after Straight.  We were shocked but it gave us a clue that perhaps there was something wrong with Straight if it drove our daughter, who until having been placed in Straight, had not had sex, except when she was raped.  As hard as it was to hear, it was the beginning of the end of the brainwashing that happened to all of our family through that hellhole.  Yes, Jennifer has been lucky, and I thank God every day that we had the means to get her the years of deprogramming and extensive therapy she needed to recapture her spirit and life.  Her mother and I contacted lawyers after learning about what really happened there; we thought alot of the rules for hosthomes were stupid but we both bought into the whole line of 'if you don't do this she will die'  We had had a precious child who had never really given us problems go in less than four months into such a depression that she attempted to take her own life with no explanation.  My heart aches to this day knowing what happened to her to cause this pain but they did not bother to tell us when she was on first phase that her acting out was because she was raped and molested.  By the time she came home, she told us she was a druggie and we were complacent - it seemed like Straight did what it said it would.  By the time we found out what really happened in group and behind closed doors, Straight was long gone and any kind of legal accountability as well.  Does a day go by that I do not think about how wrong we were, that I do not sometimes hate myself for subjecting my own child to basically torture - HELL NO....I feel sick even writing this but my daughter has too much compassion sometimes, I wanted to puke at some of the things she found pity for people in.  Not one of you knows Jennifer today, she is a survivor to the inth degree.  She has courage most should aspire to, that she can actually find compassion and feel a sense of sadness for people who would say such untrue, laughable things about her speaks volumes about her character.  She was obviously up late last night, when I read her reply I was so proud of her, she defines class today, one of the many, many things Straight almost killed in her but that she has fought to resurrect and has been more than successful in her endeavor.  I know I cannot control any of the things people choose to say but I am setting the facts right, after all, they did happen to me, my wife and our family.  I'm with Jennifer, say what you will about her, she knows who she is and what is true about her but should she ever feel endangered, I will not hesitate to take the proper measures to make sure she is protected. To be clear, that is not a threat of any physical harm, only stating that should my daughter feel threated that I will go through the proper legal channels to make sure she is safe. If that is what you mean by her 'buying her way through life' than you better believe it.  I sent her to hell and I will absolutely do anything to protect her today since I failed so miserably when she was younger. Other than that, she has worked her ass off to provide the lifestyle she wants.  Even she will tell you that as her parents, we would be thrilled if she were a bit more fiscally conservative, but she earns it, not me and I cannot tell her how or what to do with it.  As far as 'being set for life' her closet may be but I'd check the rest of your facts there.  
Everyone has their version of the truth, these are the facts pertaining to the attacks levied against me, my wife and Jennifer.
Mr. Loar
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2004, 08:00:00 AM
what the fuck are you talking about
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Antigen on March 26, 2004, 10:55:00 AM
I wouldn't worry about it, Mr. Loar. People tend to rage and rant online cause it's safe. But I honestly don't think anybody's going to do anything to Jennifer except maybe bad mouth her some more. I'm sure I've got some coming too. I wasn't on staff, but I was on 5th phase and pretraining for staff. Now, I had no intention whatever of darkening the door of that place one day after I came of age. But I didn't dare let anyone else know that. I'm sure I did a lot of harm to people by going along and supporting the abuse every day. That's how it works in a snitch culture. And it breeds a great deal of contempt. But it's not asif former Straightlings actually go around takeing revenge on former staffers. We all know where a lot of them live, work or whatever and it just doesn't happen.

Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous

Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2004, 10:58:00 AM
So by the toptic title "correct facts" I guess that means there is something called "incorrect facts"?   You make me laugh dude
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2004, 11:16:00 AM
Mr Loar:

I don't know what posts you are even talking about, but what I do know is that everyone here is also a survivor of that same torture your daughter experienced. She was no greater a victim than anyone here and she is no less responsible for how she treated others as any other phaser or staff member.
People are entitled to their anger, resentment and suffering regarding any mistreatment they suffered at the hands of other phasers, staff and the high-ups.

As I said, I don't know what posts you are referring to so I am going out on a limb here, but what on earth are you doing posting details about your daughters rape and molestation on this site for? How horrible that you would confirm and discuss details about such horrendous abuse that was inflicted on her.  I am just dismayed at this.

The question that keeps coming to my mind is what took you so long to realize what was happening? What took all those parents so long? What took my parents so long.  That is where the problem seems to lie. If it were not for parents like you, this board would not exist.

If you feel as terrible as you do about what you have put your daughter through and you have the financial capabilities to hire lawyers etc. perhaps you could spend that energy preventing and stopping the likes of Virgil Miller Newton, Mel Sembler and countless others from doing this again. Just a thought I hope you might consider.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2004, 11:28:00 AM
So I tried to search for these threats you mentioned? Maybe you can point me in the right direction? I see many angry and hateful things said. I see things I don't exactly find constructive as far as handling resentment, but I haven't seen any threats except something about exposing the truth if Jennifer's book is not factual?

I hear a whole lot of anger toward your daughter and I also see her describing herself as "brat" and "bitch" and admitting how horribly she treated people.

As people are responsible for their own actions now, she is responsible for her own actions then. Not every staffer was cruel and mean. Not every phaser was abusive. Not every parent took an eternity to realize what was happening either. Thankfully you did eventually. Some parents still don't seem to see it.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: The Butcher on March 26, 2004, 11:32:00 AM
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As people are responsible for their own actions now, she is responsible for her own actions then.

"Don't get mad, get even!"
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Antigen on March 26, 2004, 12:47:00 PM
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On 2004-03-26 08:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

The question that keeps coming to my mind is what took you so long to realize what was happening?


Excellent question and not a rhetorical one. One important thing that people miss about how this cult is structured is that the kids are usually nowhere near as brainwashed as the parents. Sure, after a number of weeks or months on short sleep and constant needling and badgering, a kid can get confused and either just go along or sincerely confuse what they think w/ what all the people they've seen in the whole world for ... just about foreverwant them to think. But that passes. The parents, otoh, buy into a whole raft of huge whoppers w/ really very little inducement. I've seen it happen many times. As far as I know, my mom is still way into the kool-aid. But very few parents talk about it at all, and fewer still ever write about how they got took.

I think it's an important topic, especially in light of NFA's having recently secured federal funding for their Parent Corps pilot programs. People will need to understand the scam so they'll see them coming and not get taken in the way our parents did.

I have much gratitude and respect for any parent willing to speak candidly about that.  :nworthy:

If life were fair, Dan Quayle would be making a living asking 'Do you want fries with that?'
John Cleese

Title: the correct facts
Post by: The Butcher on March 26, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
Each of the five points is a finger. When I close my hand, it becomes a fist.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: sammiegirl on March 26, 2004, 01:53:00 PM
I think it's an important topic, especially in light of NFA's having recently secured federal funding for their Parent Corps pilot programs. People will need to understand the scam so they'll see them coming and not get taken in the way our parents did.



I have much gratitude and respect for any parent willing to speak candidly about that.  :nworthy:

If life were fair, Dan Quayle would be making a living asking 'Do you want fries with that?'
John Cleese


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THank you sir for being a stand up parent with your daughter If only more parents would read what you have written and were willing to open the portal of communication with their children. I would ask though that you might consider our crusade in bring to light the coersion used on parents during that time.
And to Jennifer might I add. Although we have never met, I am truly sorry about the crap flinging on this site. Please know that not all of us are like that. I hope that you are noy hurt too much by the anger vented at you.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: The Butcher on March 26, 2004, 01:59:00 PM
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And to Jennifer might I add. Although we have never met, I am truly sorry about the crap flinging on this site. Please know that not all of us are like that.

Is this it? The Pope's new army? A few crusty bitches and a handful of rag-tags? You see this knife? I'm gonna teach you to speak English with this fucking knife...
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Dr Fucktard on March 26, 2004, 02:01:00 PM
Look--It's our friend sammiegirl. She's come here apologize for the mean-spirited posters. Isn't that sweet...
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2004, 02:36:00 PM
I wrote a song called "3 floors of lawyers" in 1995 after the Tandy Corporation gave me the same empty threat.  They had 3 floors of lawyers and I only had 1 attorney.  Guess who won????
 :rofl:     :lol:
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Froderik on March 26, 2004, 02:42:00 PM
What same empty threat? How did the song go?
Title: the correct facts
Post by: RTP2003 on March 26, 2004, 02:52:00 PM
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On 2004-03-26 11:36:00, Reagan Youth wrote:

"I wrote a song called "3 floors of lawyers" in 1995 after the Tandy Corporation gave me the same empty threat.  They had 3 floors of lawyers and I only had 1 attorney.  Guess who won????

 :rofl:     :lol:    "


What was the case about?  Do tell, please.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2004, 02:53:00 PM
the threat of using attorneys to keep me in check.
in 1995 I worked for McDuff Electronics.  they went under and fired me for being 15 minutes late 3 days before closing their doors.  Tandy tried to deny my severence package because I was fired instead of being layed off.  Well I ended up getting it plus a little more.  When they fired me I told them I would sue for my benefits.  They said "Go ahead, we have 3 floors of lawyers and you will not get shit."  NOT

I'll post the lyrics to this song later.  I can't remember all the stuff I've wrote, but I do have everything in books.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2004, 03:09:00 PM
Manor Park Retirement Community.....2003

This last summer I was working for a retirement home as a cook.  Most of the equipment in the place did not work.  The steam table was my main concern.  We served meals buffet style, and since the steam table did not work, the elderly residents had to eat luke warm to cold food.  I went through all means to get it fixed or replaced.  But the greedy bastards just did not want to spend the money on it. The residents were really down about cold meals so I threatened to call the state and report it as abuse if it were not repaired or replaced.  Shortly afterward I was fired.  I took action and as a result the place had to replace not only the steam table, but a meat slicer, steamer(for cooking),and oven.  Then they gave me a settlement of $4500.00 for wrongful termination.  While this was going on a couple of the elderly folks called my house and said "give em hell boy, we need a loud voice."
Title: the correct facts
Post by: RTP2003 on March 26, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
Damn, Reagon, are you going for Eagle Scout or what?  That's pretty fucking cool.  I'm glad that the old folks were able to get that loud voice they needed.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2004, 03:45:00 PM
Midland Co. Jail.........1999

I was doing an internship for senator Teel Bivins.
He was rarely in his Midland office so I played senator while he was away.  I was getting some complaints that the plumbing in the jail was backing up and the place was so over crowded that inmates were sleeping on the floor, the floor with shit water from fucked up plumbing.  The jail leutinent claimed that their was nothing they could do.  So on behafe of Senator Teel Bivins I called Jack Crumb, Commissioner of Jail Standards in Austin and took the local news into the jail with video cameras.  The Sheriffs Dept. was exposed.  They gave all Misdameanors time served and kicked them loose.  then not only did they have to repair the plumbing, they were forced to totally remodal the jail.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2004, 05:56:00 PM
And Mr. Liar,  my program was longer than Jennifers'.  I was there before her and I left after her.  Go ahead and call your lawyer and see what he has to say.  There are laws that prohibit victomizers from profiting with their story.  Every serial killer, abusive school teacher, etc. has lost their right to profit from their story.
I will start a class action suit against Jennifer if she profits from her story abusing people.
Honestly though, I doubt she'll get anywhere with it.  Her ideas are null and she'll probley sell about 5 copies, thats if she even actually writes anything.  She is judgemental, unreliable, and not very bright.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: jnloar on March 27, 2004, 02:43:00 AM
Anon,
This is Jennifer.  I so appreciate your concern about what my dad said in his post.  As a survivior, I know the sensitivity about divuldging information.  I would be so upset with my dad had I not made the choice many years ago to go public with my abuse.  I have posted on the Straight Testimony site about talking about both my molestation and rape in girls rap and then being ripped in group for lying about it and sat on the guys side for lying and the trauma that caused me.  I have also posted threads here about it so that is why my dad was able to know that would not upset me.  I speak publicly to rape survivor groups and child abuse orginazations.  I was very lucky to have therapists who helped me understand I was not at fault and I try to convey that to others by speaking openly about it.

I have openly posted apologies on this site to the people I hurt in Straight and have had open dialogue with most of them and been able to listen, understand and support their feelings in regards to me and the program.  I would never have found any healing about Straight had I not been able to vent and support others doing the same.  I am a little embarrassed my dad went to such lenghts to even post here.  I tried to explain to him I was not scared by any of the threats Timmy posted.  I think he was more upset about the lies, especially that he and my mom had supported Straight after I was there and that I was only writing a book for profit.  my parents were not in support of my choice to write about Straight - they were just fine with me being freelance, writing basically bs pieces for different things.  They had known for a long time I wanted to write about Straight but had tremendous fear that it would be too consuming and painful.  That it would cause too much upheaval of the work I had done to get past the place.  I explained that it did not feel like a choice, it was something that I HAD to do, not the other way around.  They are now in support, my dad is actually going to contribute about how they were sucked in and address your questions about what took so long and how they have dealt with their guilt after finding out what Straight did to all of us.  Had I not worked personally with a cult deprogrammer to undue much of the bullshit put in my brain by Straight I would not understand either.  They played on every dire emotion a parent had about the most important thing in most parents life, their child.  As my dad said, I had always been an overachiever, straight A student, cheerleader, etc...until I was raped.  That happened in December and in the following March I attempted suicide.  I would not tell, could not bring myself to tell.  I had been a virgin when it happened and I just did not see any hope past it.  They took me to shrinks and I certainly was not going to tell some stranger.  They told my parents my 'symptoms' smacked of drug use.  At first my parents thought they were nuts but I just got worse and more depressed.  Someone in our church had put their kid in Straight and convinced my parents to go meet with some executives who sold them on the "14 day evaluation" idea.  I do believe my parents, they said hearing all the stories from parents in parents group about how their kids had done these 180's and were such great kids again, the whole family has to change made them think they had found the right answer.  By the time, I started complying and made it to 2nd phase I was as convinced as they were and quite honestly, being home with my family was more than enough to push me over the edge past any doubts I may have had.  I asked my dad to let me do this myself, that I so appreciated him taking up for me but that I did not want him trying to protect me by getting overly involved in this.  He and my mom have done so much for me and this is something that as an adult I want to do myself.  Ginger posted something to me about gathering information and sharing what she knows after all her research about current day programs and those involved which I plan to take her up on.  I trust her and know that she will direct me in the correct way in regards to that.  I know that my parents and other family members will support them in their fight, whether it be financially, by sharing their experience or what ever they deem appropriate.

Thanks again for your concern.
Jennifer
Title: the correct facts
Post by: jnloar on March 27, 2004, 04:51:00 AM
Timmy,
If you reread my dad's post - he did not threaten to sue you for anything.  He clearly said you could say whatever you wanted about me, he knew I was sure enough about myself to not let that affect me.  He simply stated that if you were to continue to threaten me that he would take proper legal measures to protect me which basically means a protective order.  You do speak quite a bit of revenge and although I tried to tell him I did not feel endangered, he does not know you and even though he took it much too seriously, he was reacting like a parent.   We have no need or desire to take anything from you and I would hope that this could be put to bed now.  You have made it more than clear how you regard me and what I am doing.  I stated earlier and continue to feel you are more than entitled to that.  I commend you for helping the people you saw being hurt in the nursing home and the jail.  Why you think that my writing a book about Straight and exposing those who started and continued to let it run is so different is something I will not claim to understand but I believe that it goes back to our fundamentally different beliefs about Straight.  I am glad that you were still able to see that Straight was a sick place while you were there - I was not and I have openly admitted that here and offered apologies as best I could to those I hurt.  I am not proud, I have stated I am embarrassed and regret that I was so taken in by the rhetoric and brainwashing of Straight - I have admitted that I played a hand in other children being hurt by being on staff.  I have tried not to excuse myself or make excuses but quite frankly, I am tired of your attacks.  Mind you, I was one like Greg P.  I was put in at 14 and had never seen a drug much less done one.  I had experimented with alcohol but no more than 10 times.  That you cannot see that everyone of us used whatever survival skills we may have had is not my problem.  I wish I had the fight in me then that I do today but I did not and I complied.  You seem to forget that I had a time on first phase that I did not comply but a few days in the time out room with Lacy and other staff in there screaming at me broke me.  I have said over and over again that I am not proud I broke and complied and perpetuated Straight.  I have admitted that I was beyond wrong and am doing today what I believe I can to right those wrongs.  I have put myself on this forum not only to heal myself but for people who I hurt to address me and communicate with me about that so that they can hopefully find some closure by doing that.  You seem to assume that I am writing some book that is going to paint me in some wonderful light - you have no real idea of what I am writing but it will be fairly difficult to look too much like a daisy since I was on staff.  My belief and what I hope many will understand is how destructive and horrid cult programs are; how they suck children and their families in and perform mental and pyschological rape on children leaving them as tyrants who then go on to help keep the cult going.  Most people in our world have no idea that this is happening and I am sorry you have such a distorted view of what I am doing.  I cannot and have no need to change that.  I have not denied I caused people pain in Straight and I have not tried to defend myself from those people - I did hurt them in the past and want to help them how I can.  Your attacks are present day and based on someone who you even admitted you did not know very well 15 years ago - I feel every right to defend myself against that.  I apologized for not getting with you all and my poor follow-up.  I am sorry that is not adequate for you but I really don't think it warrants the attacks you have decided to send my way.  Had you been scheduled to stay with me or were depending on me for something pressing I could see the anger even with an inpending death in my family but it was lunch and I am sorry you cannot get that he died two days later and quite honestly my phone and checking messages were not the top thing on my mind.  I said I should have been in touch sooner and I am still sorry that it took me longer than it should have.  As I said, we expected him to live a few more months and when I got the call Friday he had had such a horrible morning and they were not sure he would make it through the day, I honestly forgot just about everything.  I had a date that weekend I stood up and did not call, not on purpose, but because I was with my family and not really thinking about anything or else than them.  He understood once I got in touch with him and we rescheduled for a few weeks ago.  Quite honestly, I had no idea I needed to anticipate you being so pissed.  I thought we would get together if you came to Dallas again, which I assummed happened since Valorie's mom lives here.
I know the saying about assuming and am sorry I am the one who looks like the ass here.  I would hope that since you are so sure of how little anything I have to offer matters that we can put this to rest and both get on with our lives.  I do continue to wish you well and that you are met with success in your endeavors.
Jennifer
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2004, 09:57:00 AM
Jennifer, I truly see no further apologies needed on your part. You have expressed yourself in sincere terms,IMHO. You have apologized enough. Nor, are any further explanations needed for your not attending lunch. For hell's sake, life intervenes all of the time, and disrupts even the best of intentions. Go on with your book, go on with your life. Don't let anyone, especially some disgruntled individuals on this board, get in your way.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Antigen on March 27, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
I can see both sides of this. If Charles Pendergrass, Chris Casselor or Wanda Minton were to come along with the same song and dance as Jennifer right now, I'd be damned skeptical.

Skepticizm is a good thing. From all she's said lately, I don't think Jennifer minds it. Forgiveness is devine, but forgetfulnes is just a mental dysfunction.

As w/ any litterature or production, we'll all just have to wait and see. I'm willing to give whatever help and info I can to contribute to the effort. When the book comes out, I'll read it. If I think it's misleading or in error in any way, you can bet your sweet ass I'll be right out there refuting the inaccuracies as I see them. But I won't be all that upset. Any publicity is good publicity. Whatever the kant and slant of the work, I hope it gets finished, published, sells a lot of copies and is read and discussed by many.

Hell, maybe we'll kick off a new genre in pop litterature. Sort of a dark-matter, anti-pop psychology thing. We'll all be getting offers for our stories from various publishers and we'll all get some wealth and celebrity for our troubles. If the courts won't step up, maybe the IVth estate will do.

Yah just never know.

What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
George Washington, Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72

Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
A protective order is a tool used to combat family violence.  There are requirements that must be meet in order to obtain a protective order.  You and I do not meet any of the requirements for one.  In 1999 I produced public service announcements for Project Adam and Safeplace.  I also lobbied congress to increase the protective order from 1 year to 2 years.  It passed.  You can get a restraining order put on anyone for anything.  I'm not out to kick your ass or blow up your car, I'm requesting in an unfriendly mannor that you do the right thing and tell the truth.  For example;
Your going to make Will Woods and Camerion Riley look bad and Steve Brooks and Jeff Spearman look good.  I know you don't plan to use names but people will know and get who and what your describing.  Plus you posted that you were the last person to commence from the Richardson building.  Fact is Barry Adlemon was.  That's a small thing but it shows me your facts are off.
But fuck it.  I'll give it a rest and judge it when your done.  Maybe I'll be surprised.

As far as you not calling or showing up for lunch, it was a little more than that.  I spent a lot of time going through all those papers.  I get very pissy about my time and I'm fed up with flakes.  I told you on the phone about my troubles with people in the music biz flaking off and causing me problems.  Sometimes I think the whole world is on herion.  I think I'm done bitching.  The balls in your court, we'll see what you do with it.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Opiod_Morphina on March 28, 2004, 05:02:00 AM
Hi I never threatened her...

Shes not worth my jail time..

I just said she deserves whatever shit life naturally dumps on her..

She was this badass hardcore staff member now she has her daddy coming to a message board to stick up for her?

She abused the shit out of 100s of kids who are now grown up and scarred from it...
And now you wanna intervene and sue these victims?
 I see where she got her morals, asshole..

You sir...lose at the internet and raising children, thanks and plz drive thru!
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Opiod_Morphina on March 28, 2004, 05:17:00 AM
By the way thanks for further proving my "Rich kid that never earned shit in her life" post about your daughter..

Im not out to harm anyone...

But that doesnt mean I cannot revel in her misery when it naturally happens..

and it will...theres no way she can treat people like that and then just say "Im sorry"

and then e mailing me like Im pitiful and need her to be my friend or help me find friends when I move? what the fuck?!?!
 That really fucking made me mad..

But your money and whatever the fuck it is you do in life cannot right her wrongs....

And apologies are shit in my opinion...

you apologize for accidentally spilling something on someones shirt..

YOU DONT BRAINWASH AND SCAR MINDS THEN APOLOGIZE LIKE ITS COOL

AND YOU SEEM JUST AS SICK AS YOUR DAUGHTER IF YOU DONT SEE THIS

ALL THESE PEOPLE STEVE, MORLI, JENN ALL ACT LIKE ITS FUCKING OK AND THEY WERE JUST ABUSED TOO

ITS NOT OK I DIDNT ABUSE KIDS AND I WENT THRU STRAIGHT..
I DIDNT TAKE GLEE IN ABUSE...THEY DID

YOU ARE IGNORANT...AND UNAWARE OF THE FACTS
Title: the correct facts
Post by: jnloar on March 28, 2004, 05:52:00 AM
Brad,
reread the post before you start spewing your rage - my dad did not threaten to sue anybody - only to take protective measures if I felt or he felt I was in danger which I did not.  We don't need Timmy or anyone else's money - remember according to you we are rich....he may not be great at the internet but he and my mom managed to raise four out of four who are all doing pretty well in life, despite the fact you think one is satan's spawn.  Rip into me all you want but you have never met my father so try to keep your judgements at least to the one you kinda remember.  I only wish every person whose parents had put them in Straight would realize how horrid it was and come around and support, stand up for and back their kids the way my parents do for me.  That has nothing to do with money - just a lot of luck and dedication.

sorry I pissed you off by offering to familiarize you with Dallas and being honest enough to tell you that I doubted we moved in the same crowd but that I would be happy to hang with you and show you around were you to move here.  I am not real sure what you expected me to do but I don't like being in crowds with people who are vastly different than I am and did not get the impression that you would be either.  The reply you sent me in no way said you were offended by my offer and that was not my intention.  Wherever you end up I hope you do well and find happiness in your life.
Jennifer
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2004, 05:56:00 AM
how unfortunate you continue to allow that place to rule your life.  your rage really only affects you and your jealousy of people, especially those you think are rich, is almost sad.
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Opiod_Morphina on March 28, 2004, 06:00:00 AM
I only feel that rage when talking to those people other than that its not an issue..

AT least I have the balls to stand behind my words anon..just remember cut up not across

I hereby declare this a dead issue

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Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2004, 09:53:00 AM
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On 2004-03-28 02:17:00, Opiod_Morphina wrote:

...theres no way she can treat people like that and then just say "Im sorry"







you apologize for accidentally spilling something on someones shirt..



YOU DONT BRAINWASH AND SCAR MINDS THEN APOLOGIZE LIKE ITS COOL



AND YOU SEEM JUST AS SICK AS YOUR DAUGHTER IF YOU DONT SEE THIS



ALL THESE PEOPLE STEVE, MORLI, JENN ALL ACT LIKE ITS FUCKING OK AND THEY WERE JUST ABUSED TOO



ITS NOT OK I DIDNT ABUSE KIDS AND I WENT THRU STRAIGHT..

I DIDNT TAKE GLEE IN ABUSE...THEY DID



YOU ARE IGNORANT...AND UNAWARE OF THE FACTS
"



You are correct sir!!
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2004, 10:03:00 AM
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On 2004-03-26 16:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"1) Admitted that I am powerless over being an unrepentant ex-Staff member and came to believe that suicide is my best, most honorable option.



2)Made a decision to put the barrel of a gun in my mouth.



3)Made a search for the highest caliber weapon and ammunition available.



4)Admitted to the Straight survivors that I am a dispicable human being whose only chance at redemption is to kill myself.



5)Made damn sure that there's a round in the chamber and the safety is off.



6)Sought to improve my conscious contact with God by going to meet him REAL soon.



7) Having received the gift of awareness, I will kill myself before I do any more harm to the Straight survivors and the world in general.





Congratulations!  You're a seven stepper now!  Too bad you won't be around for the celebration."



Yes, Straightlings, follow the Steps!
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2004, 12:31:00 PM
This link may be helpful for ex-Staff that are wondering how they can besthelp the Straight survivors:  http://ash.spaink.net/nazgmethods (http://ash.spaink.net/nazgmethods).
Title: the correct facts
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2004, 12:38:00 PM
This one should work.  Remember to follw the instructions carefully.  

http://ash.spaink.net/ (http://ash.spaink.net/)