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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Marti on October 30, 2002, 11:02:00 PM

Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Marti on October 30, 2002, 11:02:00 PM
I dont know who you are. I do know this. I dont normally get overally upset. However, your comment to me shows me only that you lack gratitude for those that helped you survive. I am assuming you dont know sue from adam and therefor you can not know what she was like prior to what Straight did to her. Your comment is disgusting.Whining no.. simply stating the fact that she saved my butt and got me out which you should be grateful for it is because I got out. Straight began to get closed and hrs investigated and other programs began to close and come under scrutny so I guess you owe her too. And you certainly dont appear to have any empathy for what the program can do to a person nor do you have a clue about true friendships. Consider yourself lucky that this a board.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:14:00 PM
Dont you think you owe it to her then because she did so much to help you.I could never exploit my friends suffering for the sake of CONTENT FOR A ahem WEBSITE and then REFUSE to go and visit.I would never stand by and watch my savior rot in jail ALONE.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:17:00 PM
HRS put me in the "program"
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Marti on October 30, 2002, 11:18:00 PM
We are visiting her and a letter is already out to her. and you are doing what to help the cause??????????
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Antigen on October 30, 2002, 11:19:00 PM
You got Marti all wrong. She just found this info today. It's disturbing. I'm guessing that, not only will she go and visit Sue in jail, but she'll stick with her for whatever comes next. She's not doing this to promote a damned website. It's the other way around. The point of the websites is to get the word out on these programs and close them all down under their current operating names.

You just can't know how fucked up things were there on Cattelman road. LIFE sucked, I know that. I went to school with a couple of LIFEers and wound up, purely by coincidence, working for a LIFE graduate back in Ft. Lauderdale. From all I've heard and seen, it was a walk in the park by comparison.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:21:00 PM
Since you bring up "true friendship",I must say that after being in such the program,I do not know what a "true friend" is.I think you know about THAT one.We should not measure our suffering against one another because we come from the same program.If you are a 7th step pussy or a misbehaver hero,we all have same kind of damage.There is no way to compare to each other.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:22:00 PM
What do you know?
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:25:00 PM
Walk in the park with Ms Pete.Would you let your kids "walk in the park" with Ms Pete?
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:26:00 PM
Nobody helped me to survive except the FOOD STAMP program.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:27:00 PM
When did you visit L.I.F.E.?
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:29:00 PM
Life Program was at 803 US 41 Highway.You must have me confused with one of your "straight" cronies.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:32:00 PM
"I dont know who you are blah blah blah"
Well if you would ever show up at any meeting (see your previous post MEETING TUESDAY) then you might have the opportunity to meet me.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Antigen on October 30, 2002, 11:35:00 PM
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On 2002-10-30 20:17:00, LIFE 82 wrote:
HRS put me in the "program"

Yeah, essentially, they* lost that battle. HRS tried to deny Straight an operating license, which might have brought LIFE under scrutiny. But Mel Sembler threatened to fire people if Straight didn't get it's license and the whole investigation die. They helped some people somewhat. I got out. I know that a few others did too. The Sarasota program was eventually shamed into retreat and, some years later, the precedent set by those actions eventually shut down LIFE.

I think that, at the time, they thought it was they physical abuse that was the problem. They didn't get that it was the mind fuck that was really so harmful. They probably don't get it to this day. But we do.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Marti on October 30, 2002, 11:40:00 PM
Your are obviously not worth my time. And certainly not capable evidently of contributing to the cause but focus more on attempting to destroy the good done here. So one can only assume your a mole. In which case now your responses only make sense. Only one thing, you still reluctant to sign your name . Other than that. I choose not to waste my time with your petty ramblings and enept attempts to undermine the purpose here.Um by the way, I was also at Life for a brief period in 7th step wraps.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2002, 11:41:00 PM
Let's cut to the chase....who are you life 82?  I'm Chris Tyler from Straight 78-80. Marti doesn't deserve this crap especially from someone that should know better.

Identify yourself please!

Chris
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Antigen on October 30, 2002, 11:44:00 PM
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On 2002-10-30 20:29:00, LIFE 82 wrote:
Life Program was at 803 US 41 Highway.You must have me confused with one of your "straight" cronies.

Actually, I did about two hours in the intake room at LIFE. I was already 18, had gotten a judge to sort of let me slip out from under a hearing date by letting me visit family out of state just before my birthday. After two hours of refusal to sign myself in, they let me walk. That would never have happened at Straight, not if I held out for a week.

What I meant by that comparison is, well you just don't know how fucking upset Marti is right now over, hours ago, finally catching up with Sue and finding her not well. I'm glad you got out of LIFE intact. I know it was an emotional mind fuck. But Sue helped Marti, at great personal risk, to escape from 5 fucking years of unadulterated hell. Then, unlike your's truely who *grabbed her ass and ran for the east coast, Marti stuck with the State Attorney, HRS, 60 Minutes, all at a young age with no basis for living outside the cult and without the support of family.

I know ya'll are getting some good things accomplished at those meetings. But you just don't know the history here. I'm pretty sure that if you did, you wouldn't be making the comments that you've made.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:50:00 PM
Mr Chris you know who I am.
If you would read my original reply(not on this thread)then you can see just what has got this Marty so hysterical upset.
Then the attacks.You know that I am not the computer litterate but I know a thing or two about website participation.If you think I am being cruel to anybody then you must have hat too much acid because you see things that are just NOT IN PRINT HERE.
My first reply"Stop whining and go visit her in jail".That is what Marty is so pissed.Anything printed after that is just YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT.Just the facts please.It is silly to say I am the "mole".As a matter of fact I think you should be good and pissed off before logging on to this forum.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 30, 2002, 11:55:00 PM
Mr Chris you know who I am.
If you would read my original reply(not on this thread)then you can see just what has got this Marty so hysterical upset.
Then the attacks.You know that I am not the computer litterate but I know a thing or two about website participation.If you think I am being cruel to anybody then you must have hat too much acid because you see things that are just NOT IN PRINT HERE.
My first reply"Stop whining and go visit her in jail".That is what Marty is so pissed.Anything printed after that is just YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT.Just the facts please.It is silly to say I am the "mole".As a matter of fact I think you should be good and pissed off before logging on to this forum.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 31, 2002, 12:07:00 AM
Test...Is my reply being blocked??This is only a computer test because I cant find my replies to Chris' question about my identity or Marty rantings about my "motives".
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Marti on October 31, 2002, 12:09:00 AM
Not only did you say I was whining but heres your quote:
I could never exploit my friends suffering for the sake of CONTENT FOR A ahem WEBSITE and then REFUSE to go and visit.I would never stand by and watch my savior rot in jail ALONE.
Obviously you dont know me . I came back to get my friends and You? I posted it not for the website but for those who cared about her.If this is a joke than it is truly sick in nature. So Chad from sarasota what is your last name? My suggestion is you get help.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 31, 2002, 12:09:00 AM
Ok,Now I have found where my reply went.I understand fully about what the flaming suitcase means>"page 2".
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Antigen on October 31, 2002, 12:12:00 AM
Look ya'll. This is just a misunderstanding. When (not if, but when) you two meet in person, you'll figure all that out.

Mean time, I'm going to bed. Not because this is uninteresting, it's not. Just that I have an early day tomorrow and have to go sleep.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 31, 2002, 12:13:00 AM
1(MartI makes post
2(I reply "Stop whining...and go visit her in jail.
3(You freak out.
4(All subsequent reply from me because of YOUR ranting and namecalling.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: the other anonymous on October 31, 2002, 12:19:00 AM
Marti, I will say a prayer for Sue Cookson tonight.

Antigen -- as always the voice of reason.

Life82 -- you crack me up.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 31, 2002, 12:19:00 AM
Marti wrote: "get help".
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 31, 2002, 12:46:00 AM
Ok,I apologise.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 31, 2002, 12:49:00 AM
Ok,I apologise.And I will throw a brick at a police car for Sue Cookson tonight.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Bitchizbak on October 31, 2002, 12:52:00 AM
LIfe82, Chad, whomever you are, you obviously have your own dick crammed down your throat so far that noone understands a word you are saying. Nor does anyone care. It is a shame that you are so wrapped up in your own bullshit that you are attacking someone who is obviously quite upset. How pathetic it must be to be caught in your head.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Hagrid on October 31, 2002, 01:04:00 AM
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On 2002-10-30 21:52:00, Bitchizbak wrote:
It is a shame that you are so wrapped up in your own bullshit that you are attacking someone who is obviously quite upset.


Well, you you just did the same thing to him.  The group here is often as mean as it was 20 years ago.  It is mind boggling. People come here, obviously needing help,and folks just tear into them.  It is exactly like group.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: hedwigfan on October 31, 2002, 05:30:00 AM
Yes, it is like being back in group. Not a good feeling.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: dreammagician on October 31, 2002, 07:18:00 AM
I wish everyone would chill. It's hard not getting a headache reading this fighting going on. Sounds like we were all brain fucked in programs so screw it. We're fucked so it don't mean we can't stand up and fight I'd like to twist the head off of anyone that tells me that straight was good and helped me and my family out. Sorry for rampaging, but sometimes I seem to get really angry when I think about straight. Welp, it's halloween, got the top down and I'm lettin loose, pretend like I was never in that shitty place, move on in life, we do need to work together and maybe sort our goals alittle better, like a team.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Tampa survivor on October 31, 2002, 07:59:00 AM
Thank you Dream-man....
This place is NOTHING like group.  Kris, did you permit dissent in your raps as a Sr staff?  Hell no.  You woulda been started over or fired.
LIFE82..You sound so pissed.  Some of the people you are flaming are damned fine people in my opinion who have been steady opponents of the behavior of programs like straight & LIFE.
I recently started posting memories, stories and things a new visitor could understand because this tit-for-tat shit is and I was sick of participating.  
Better in my never humble opinion to laugh over a memory than for us to bicker about it.  Let's stop killing good threads with this.  
Bill
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Tampa survivor on October 31, 2002, 08:07:00 AM
PS
Marti and Ginger, I am sorry about Sue.  What a statement about straight success:  multiple battery of police (authority issues) and cocaine (continued drug issues).  What an outcome.  Sad.
Sue may have internet access to email.
Marti...you are a 20 year fighter of the program.  I wish I could see your 60 minutes tape someday.  
Like dream man, I am enjoying life today...my boat is calling me, and the redfish and snook are biting.  C-ya
Bill
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: hedwigfan on October 31, 2002, 09:53:00 AM
this forum's atmosphere gets mighty hostile, alot like group. yes, free speech is great, but it seems like people here take a few jabs at each other in the name of free speech. it's just not nice. there are better ways of communicating. that's just how i feel--take it or leave it. when you care about other people's opinions, you become their prisoner.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Antigen on October 31, 2002, 10:15:00 AM
...than to open my mouth and remove all doubt. But hey, that's never stopped me before.

Yes, these forums get hostile quite often. If it isn't a Program apologist coming along stirring things up then it's a misunderstanding among survivors.

Any time you discuss something of importants things tend to get heated from time to time. Check out the Tampa Bay/St. Pete Times forum at http://forums.sptimes.com/Forums/ubb/cg ... matebb.cgi (http://forums.sptimes.com/Forums/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi) Just ordinary people talking mostly politics and still it gets rough in spots.

But not as rough as these various Program forums. Go check out the Elan forum sometime or AARC. Unusualy high proportion of raw nerves around here, there and everywhere. But it nearly always blows over.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: METALGOD8 on October 31, 2002, 11:33:00 AM
Look at the bright side, just think, when that asteroid hits the earth, it won't matter anymore anyway! MG8
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Tampa survivor on October 31, 2002, 12:12:00 PM
Hedwigfan wrote: "when you care about other people's opinions, you become their prisoner"
I say:
Some people appreciate it when thier opinions are heard.  Dissent breeds when they are not.


[ This Message was edited by: Tampa survivor on 2002-10-31 18:47 ]
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Carmel on October 31, 2002, 12:33:00 PM
I get the distinct impression from LIFE 82 that no matter what is said by someone it is subject to a negative response.  I feel as if maybe I am reading this person wrong....like I am not understanding the point of their replies.  Reading LIFE's first posts here gave me some confusion as to whether or not he/she was slamming this forum or not.  Does anyone else feel this way?  

I mean, what I am getting at is......I am wondering if I might be jumping the gun on disagreeing with LIFE because his/her posts tend to be very confusing...is anyone else getting this impression or is it just me?

No offense to you LIFE, just trying to better understand your points....
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Antigen on October 31, 2002, 01:12:00 PM
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On 2002-10-31 09:12:00, Tampa survivor wrote:
Some people appreciate it when thier opinions are heard.  Dissent breeds when they are not.



Yes, this is very, very true.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: LIFE 82 on October 31, 2002, 03:02:00 PM
The "straights" claim a need for secrets because they are lacking some kind of insurance to protect them from lawsuits because of the powerful people they challenge in court.That is thier current "deep dark secret".Some of those same people who claim this need for descretion have tried to use my deep dark secret and PRY my real name out and get me to print it here.They have begun to ues MY "deep dark secret" in a way to intimidate me from posting here.Thats real dirty!!!I can understand the need for "real names" when giving testimonials here as TRUE LIFE STORIES of being in programs.But just for the sake of pacifying some "e-ranter",I think it is very low to request,and even guess IN PRINT my true identity.If you want to know my name then invite me to meet in person.I do not want to hide my identity but if I want it printed here then I will print it.If you had a real life experience with me then please talk about it here and use my name,but to "cut to the chase" so to speak, and fess up to a "post/reply" that is no good reason to say my name.I am an ACTION oriented person and I think my original reply "stop whining and go visit her in jail" is apropriate.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Majiktrvls on November 01, 2002, 01:24:00 AM
" The ultimate source of mental peace can be destroyed only by one's anger and negative thoughts. A wise person will not allow anger or hatred to manifest themselves because noone wants to be unhappy or endure MORE suffering." When anger dominates our minds we sometimes use harsh and unpleasant words to describe our views. Anger is an enemy. It is not useful or reliable, it causes us to lose sleep, appetities and we suffer mentally. It destroys our our sense of judgement, and it manifests itself in the form of Hostility.

Mental peace and happiness are found from within. NO matter what the occurences in our lives may have been, we all desire to be free of suffering and pain. We have all suffered enough pain, humiliation and negativity. To take care of happiness, we must first decide to own it. It is ours, and ours alone. NO MATTER WHAT STRAIGHT MAY HAVE TAUGHT. We have the freedom to rectify the wrongs that have been dealt to us. We have the freedom to choose to make our lives a happier place to be. NO MATTER WHAT STRAIGHT MAY HAVE TAUGHT US. Our survival depends on compassion and love towards one another. It is not a religious thing, it is a matter of survival. We survived the negative thought processing of Straight, and while we may disagree with each other and the opinions posted here, I personally think it is time to get back to the real issues at hand. I, for one, do not believe that we need to project our hostility towards one another. It pollutes our thought processes just like Straight, it is not necessary to continue in that pattern.  I believe that it is time to be more accepting of one another, despite all of our differing views of the program, and show a bit more compassion of fellow survivors.

[ This Message was edited by: Majiktrvls on 2002-10-31 22:26 ]
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: hedwigfan on November 01, 2002, 07:40:00 AM
At last, the voice of reason...
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Antigen on November 01, 2002, 01:36:00 PM
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On 2002-10-31 12:02:00, LIFE 82 wrote:
I am an ACTION oriented person and I think my original reply "stop whining and go visit her in jail" is apropriate.

I don't. "Stop whining" is a terribly mean spirited thing to say. I assume you just didn't get that Marti had only just found out where Sue was and, as such, hadn't even had time to find out visiting hours at that facility before you clobbered her with that remark.

As far as anyone keeping deep, dark secrets, as sysadmins, we leave that entirely up to the writer. If you feel more comfortable posting anonymously, go ahead.

However, there's a trade-off. Posting with your real name does lend credibility. And, not that this has ever or (hopefully) will ever become an issue, there is a limit to anonymity. If I ever got a warrant for information, such as in the case of credible threats or harassment, and I felt that it wasn't worth challenging, I couldn't protect anyone's identity. Now, I can't find out who anyone is, even if I wanted to, without having a warrant served on your ISP, either. So this is substantial protection. You can say anything that would be protected by the First Amendment without fear of exposure. Of course, if you yourself give away your secrets, I can't help you there either.

That's speaking from a tech and policy standpoint as sysadmin. As a .... what? member of the community? fellow poster? relatively disinterested observer? no. As an old friend and admirer of Marti's, I think your comment was inapropriate and ignorant and that she should just ignore it.
Title: Life 82 reguarding your post to me about Sue Cookson found
Post by: Shelby on November 01, 2002, 03:15:00 PM
Unfortunately, many people ( myself on occasion ) confuse the right of free speech with the right to be an asshole.

Shelby