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On 2005-09-17 09:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I would think this would be an individual preference. "

Yes, it is ...

You can still render your opinion?

I say pussy.

Pink Floyd was just on, wow, they where great.

I didn't know it at the time, but a couple of
years ago on VH1 Behind the Music they stated
that some songs where about Schizophrenia and
Syd Barrett. I did a Google search and came up with:

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=1693

SongFacts:
This is a tribute to Syd Barrett, an original member of Pink Floyd - notice the title, Shine On You Crazy Diamond. He was their lead guitarist and wrote most of their early hits, but he gradually went nuts and was kicked out of the band in 1968, 3 years after the group started. Drugs played a big role in his mental illness.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pi ... gle+Search

Well now, to all the negative posters on this forum.

You all seem to have eliminated any thoughtful
dialogue.

Negativity and insults are now in the majority.

With Ginger now piling on I guess it is complete.

Negativigy wins!

On 2005-07-02 09:01:00, 001010 wrote:

"Well Deb, your information certainly does correlate well with this PM Paul sent me.   :eek:

Of course my history correlates to my statements.

Sorry if you offended by the word mental. I don't know origin of the word, but it has been around a long time.

I think I also sent you another private message, hmmm, private message, what a concept, eh. Anyway
my other private message was that, for me, I reduce the power of the illness by making jokes about it, and episodes. That is why I was asking you about those various support groups. To see if they had the same positive effects on you.

If there is more mystery to my comments, you can ask me to clarify, rather than create some lame conspiracy.

Oh, I won't be posting your PM, out of courtesy and confidentiality, of course.

http://www.healthday.com/view.cfm?id=526657

Researchers Urge Caution on Ritalin-Cancer Link Finding
Despite FDA concerns, Texas scientists say their study was only preliminary

By Amanda Gardner
HealthDay Reporter

FRIDAY, July 1 (HealthDay News) -- As the U.S. Food and Drug Administration moved to examine a potential link between Ritalin and cancer, the scientists who first unearthed the connection stressed Friday that the finding was preliminary and should not be cause for panic.

The concerns about the drug, a stimulant that has been used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) for decades, surfaced during a FDA pediatrics advisory committee meeting Thursday. The findings, by researchers from the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center at the University of Texas, showed damage to the chromosomes of 12 children who had taken Ritalin for three months.

The advisory committee had been called to discuss yet another health issue surrounding the class of ADHD medications known as methylphenidates, to which Ritalin belongs: Some psychiatric side effects have been reported among children using Concerta, Ritalin and other versions of these drugs.

But the Texas scientists said their Ritalin study was far too small to prompt the parents of ADHD patients to abandon the drug.

"We're not telling people to all go off their medication because you don't know what this means," said Melissa L. Bondy, co-author of the study, which first appeared in the Feb. 16 online issue Cancer Letters. "You can't base changing practice on 12 patients. Look how many millions of kids are on this. Do you want to tell all the mothers and fathers to take their kids off of the drugs?"

Bondy said she and her colleagues have submitted a grant proposal to the National Institutes of Health for a larger study looking at more patients and more ADHD drugs.

"We definitely need a larger study," said lead researcher Dr. Randa A. El-Zein. If approved, the study would not even be funded until March 2006.

The government interest is there, however.

Scientists from the FDA, the NIH and the Environmental Protection Agency traveled to Texas on May 23 to examine the study methods used by the researchers. "They thought, 'Yes, we do have a public concern,' and that a larger study should be performed," El-Zein said.

"We're hoping that they'll see this as a major public health issue, and as something that needs to be done," Bondy added.

Meanwhile, the question of labeling changes because of possible psychiatric effects of Ritalin and other methylphenidates have been put on hold after the advisory committee told FDA officials that it was hesitant to recommend such changes.

According to an FDA release, committee members suggested waiting until more safety data have been collected on two other types of drugs used to treat ADHD -- methamphetamines such as Adderall and the non-stimulant Strattera, something that won't happen before early 2006.

The FDA should "delay the labeling change until they have a good sense of class effect," Acting Committee Chairman Robert Nelson, of The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, told FDA officials according to the release.

"We heard there is no terrible signal," Office of Pediatric Therapeutics Director Dianne Murphy sadded.

The FDA had been considering labeling changes to all methylphenidates with regard to psychiatric events and potential cardiovascular side effects. A review had found 36 psychiatric events for Concerta, compared to 16 for Ritalin and other methylphenidates. These side effects included hallucinations and suicide ideation. Concerta had 20 cardiovascular event reports, while the other methylphenidates had four such reports.

Despite the committee's advice, Murphy said the agency still may change labeling about psychiatric side effects to "try to make it clearer what the situation is with regard to certain adverse events."

The FDA's decision to take a closer look at the psychiatric side effects of medications for ADHD did not surprise some experts.

"These types of issues theoretically were possible with the medication because of the way it works. It's not surprising that they've had some reports that relate to psychiatric side effects... " said Dr. Lenard Adler, director of the Adult ADHD Program at New York University Medical Center.

The drugs have been around for 40 years, Adler added, and have a "wide margin of safety."

"Any medicine that has therapeutic effect can have some side effects," Adler continued. "This is appropriate scrutiny by the FDA, but the benefits are also very clear and clearly outweigh the risks."

Another expert believes labeling changes may not be the answer.

"Labeling is an oversimplification of the problem," said Dr. Eugenio M. Rothe, director of the child and adolescent psychiatry clinic at Jackson Memorial Hospital and an associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Miami School of Medicine. "It scares people, and it doesn't address the other problems that are affecting the outcome. The problem is much more complex than that, and has to do primarily with the stigma associated with mental health conditions."

This is just the latest chapter in the ongoing debate over the safety of ADHD medications.

In February, Health Canada ordered Adderall XR off the market, after reports of sudden cardiac death in 20 patients. The FDA, however, elected at the time only to require the company to update Adderall's label to warn that it should not be used in anyone with structural cardiac abnormalities.

Almost 2 million children in the United States have been diagnosed with ADHD, according to the National Institute of Mental Health.

More information

Visit the National Institute of Mental Health for more on ADHD.



SOURCES: Randa A. El-Zein, M.D., Ph.D., assistant professor, epidemiology, and Melissa L. Bondy, Ph.D., professor, of epidemiology, both of University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston; Lenard Adler, M.D., director, Adult ADHD Program, New York University Medical Center, and associate professor, psychiatry and neurology, New York University School of Medicine, New York City; Eugenio M. Rothe, M.D., director, child and adolescent psychiatry clinic, Jackson Memorial Hospital, and associate professor, psychiatry, University of Miami School of Medicine; June 30, 2005, news release, FDA Advisory Committee Web site
Last Updated: Jul-01-2005

Copyright © 2005 ScoutNews, LLC. All rights reserved.

On 2005-07-02 07:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You said it, I read it.  More proof of your pompous, self-righteous jive ass bullshit is that not once have you tried to apologize for what is a very fucked up and insulting assertion on your part, you have only tried to blame us for "not comprehending" the wisdom of your words.  Say that shit to my face and you may need more than a mental health provider to deal with the results."

Who has the obsession?

http://www.rednova.com/news/health/1596 ... e_in_need/

Mental-Health Forum Gauges Those in Need

Jun. 30--A widow in her 70s lives with her 43-year-old schizophrenic son.

Her fear: He may harm himself or someone else if he doesn't get the treatment he deserves.

A couple's bipolar daughter is homeless.

Their worry: something bad will happen if she's not treated.

These were just a few stories shared Tuesday night by consumers and their families during the second of four Mental Health Services Act forums by the county's Department of Behavioral Health.

A mandate under Proposition 63, public forums are a way for the county to gauge what services are needed, as well as identify those in need.

The forums are also a way to educate the public about the state law which imposed a 1percent tax surcharge on individuals whose incomes are above $1 million.

About $350 million is available this fiscal year. Another $700 million is anticipated next year.

As of June 1, the state's Department of Mental Health estimates the county will receive $17 million for the community services and support component of the Mental Health Services Act.

There are six components, and funding for each will be based on a county's plan proposals, levels of unmet need and capacity to provide the proposed services.

For example, Ed Diksa, director of training for the California Institute of Mental Health, said young black males use the county's inpatient services more than any other group.

As a result, he said, this group should be an area of interest.

When the two hours of discussion were up, about 75 people had identified more than 35 groups in desperate need of mental-health care in the county. The groups included children, at-risk minority youths, the homeless, parolees, Latino families, low-income residents and individuals suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

Undocumented immigrants and the elderly also were mentioned.

Attendees also shared dozens of ideas on how to fix the county's problems, including getting the homeless mentally ill off the streets and getting earlier to school-aged children who have behavioral problems.

Tuesday's forum at the Behavioral Health Resource Center in Rialto was in complete contrast to Monday's in Victorville where no one showed up, except Behavioral Health staff and volunteers.

"People talk about mental-health needs and say they are important, but people don't want to put in the time to fix the system,' said Mark Uffer, the county's chief administrative officer, when asked about why the Victorville meeting was unproductive.

Uffer said he didn't anticipate much participation during this first wave of community input. But, he said, it should pick up as more people become interested and learn more.

Some mental-health advocates say it's going to take a bigger effort on the part of Behavioral Health because it lags behind other counties as far as planning for Proposition 63 funding.

Riverside County, which is set to receive about $16 million this first phase, has already had four public forums and about 80 focus groups meetings.

Written responses from the public on that county's online survey have also been received, as well as individual e-mails, Donna Dahl, program chief for its Department of Mental Health, said.

"We're basically at the stage of putting all that info together into recommendations,' she said.

"It is now up to our committees to use all of this community input and use it as part of their deliberations to develop those recommendations.'

May Farr, a San Bernardino County mental-health commissioner, said she has heard that people are concerned the county isn't putting forth much of an effort, but said that wasn't true.

Things are happening, she said.

"Los Angeles County has about 3,000 people on this,' she said.

Uffer has acknowledged that a Behavioral Health director could help smooth out the process. The department has been without one since the resignation of Rudy Lopez last year.

"We are really close. I have a candidate that was recommended by another county interviewing as we speak,' he said.

"He has met with staff at (Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton) and is making rounds. I think he will be finished up on Friday. I'm already pretty high on him at this point.'

Uffer said the candidate has 37 years of experience in behavioral health and human services. If all pans out, he anticipates making an offer to him maybe this week or next.

Once a Behavioral Health director is in place, Uffer anticipates that the county will see some positive changes within months.

"I really believe it's going to be up to the county and its staff and the restructuring that we're doing to fix the system. We need to get a solid leader at the topic that has a mixture of a couple of key ingredients. One of them is being a true advocate for mental health,' he said.

"Someone who understands the disease process and how it is integrated with the rest of the health-care system. Not only is it mental health, but there are physical health and social service needs.'

Diksa, who has been in the county for several weeks training behavioral health staff and volunteers, said $17 million is not the answer to the problems in the county. But, he said it's a good start.

"When you look at the money you have and what all these groups are that need services, you have to prioritize,' he said. "That's not going to be easy.'

He encouraged Tuesday's attendees to bring a friend to upcoming forums and focus groups.

Two more forums are planned in July: one next week in Rancho Cucamonga and the other in Morongo Basin.

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To see more of the San Bernardino County Sun, or to subscribe to the newspaper, go to http://www.sbsun.com.

Copyright (c) 2005, San Bernardino County Sun, Calif.

On 2005-07-02 06:52:00, Anonymous wrote:


Your the one who constantly seeks the attention Paul. So here it is. What is it you want?"

You are reading much more into this than is there ...