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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Troll Control on August 07, 2010, 10:39:18 AM
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This is the plain and simple statement, written by Whooter, that has set off this spate of trolling due to its reposting by me:
When is this supposed to take place?
Well the announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.
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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?
I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as Tipping
Whooter made this statement several years ago and subsequently auctioned off his account, rendering him unable to change this information he wants nobody to see. The fact is that he said it of his own volition and was bragging about it.
The problem is that if everyone knows about this fiduciary duty, Whooter feels like five years of his time here posing as "just a regular parent" have been wasted, and indeed they are.
When I started quoting this post and linking to it, Whooter got increasingly more upset and now spends all day every day being my personal troll in various guises: Whooter, SUCK IT, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, John McCain, et al.
My purpose in quoting this damning statement is twofold: one, it exposes Whooter for who and what he really is, a figure whose income is derived from Aspen Education; and two, to draw him out of his carefully crafted image to expose him for the desperate Aspen Education troll he is. Both objectives are complete.
Watch as Whooter logs in and out with his various sockpuppets, accusing me of abusing and raping children because he has been definitively linked to Aspen Education and its systemic abuse problems. It's interesting to note also that Whooter accuses me of the very things that Aspen Education programs have been being shut down for recently. He is simply trying to project qualities onto me that have been legally proven against Aspen Education.
Industry people always squeal the loudest when they've been stuck in the wallet. Look at this piggy squeal.
This is a desperate troll, folks. Whooter/SUCK IT/et al is an exemplar of the people to whom you might have entrusted your child's welfare at Aspen Education programs. If their marketing people behave this way, doesn't that provide a window into their corporate culture and strategy, as Ed Con Tom Croake recently exposed on his FamilyLights website? Even Ed Cons who make their living referring kids to Aspen are turning on it due to their recent spate of killings, abuse and neglect resulting in facility closures. This is how Aspen Education employees behave in public. Now just imagine how they behave in private, behind closed doors, alone with your child. Think about that for a while.
Caveat emptor, parents.
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My purpose in quoting this damning statement is twofold: one, it exposes Whooter for who and what he really is, a figure whose income is derived from Aspen Education; and two, to draw him out of his carefully crafted image to expose him for the desperate Aspen Education troll he is. Both objectives are complete.
Whooter/SUCK IT have ceased and desisted with even trying to keep up appearances. Now "they" are fully occupied with only obsessively posting about me. It's an object lesson in behavior of someone desperately trying to protect his income.
"When you've got 'em by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
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Me thinks thou doeth protest too much
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Me thinks thou doeth protest too much
None-Ya, you know damn well that was a great comment with much truth. Not just because it is about DJ but because it is true.
Damn it, man. what is it with you fornits people, even when you hear the truth you despise it.
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"Cause somtimes you just have to "call bullshit" when it's appropriate.
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"Butt-hurt Troll Comes Unhinged"
Whooter is off the hook!
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When I started quoting this post and linking to it, Whooter got increasingly more upset and now spends all day every day being my personal troll in various guises: Whooter, SUCK IT, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, John McCain, et al.
LOL Sounds alot like Mark Babitz and his host of online persona's and screen names
Gary Standler,Joe Gerald,Jeff Cooper,Elan Reporter etc
Its like landing a fish on a light line and watching him thrash around from subject to subject,using anything he can as a weapon
I gotta feel sorry for him and Whooter both. What does it say about their collective quality of life ?
Time for dinner!
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What does it say about their collective quality of life ?
I'd have to say it's pretty low. For someone who claims to be a father to "several children, one of whom needed help outside the home" he sure spends an immense ampount of time on Fornits. Someone once called it a "Fornits-centric lifestyle" while describing him.
I just wonder why it's not a "family-centric lifestyle" instead. Perhaps this indifference to parenting is what caused all of the trouble for his kids in the first place. Seeems fairly likely and typical of "program parents."
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Some thoughts:
I would think it starts earlier in life. Lets say you have a new born in the house (like dysfunction Junction does) and the baby's' father spends his days at work trolling fornits (instead of increasing his contribution there and building his career) which effects his quality of output and then he comes home at night and instead of spending time with his child he eats dinner and goes right to fornits. He gets his ass handed to him all day and night and then goes and handles his baby just before the child goes down for the night. The child is going to sense his anger and tension.
Now imagine this cycle happening on a daily basis. What effect would this fathers’ mood have on his child? The same fear that drives him to have a loaded gun (he checks each night) and keeps under his bed? The daily tension in the household? How does this translate into a safe and healthy environment for his baby to exist and thrive in?
What drives a man like this to spend years trying to discredit other people he doesn’t know on a forum ? Why would he not use his claimed education to educate others on the industry and join in balanced discussions on his personal experience which would help to get his message out?
Interesting? I think so.
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Parenting advice from a guy who hires strangers to do his "daddy work." ;D
Career advice from a guy who admits he "could never hold down a job." :roflmao:
You can't take a guy seriously who can't do any job right - in the home or out of it. Also, Whooter/TheWho/aliases (not to mention probably 2,000 anon posts) has more posts than any other poster on fornits save for Antigen.
Who spends "day and night" here again? :beat:
:feedtrolls:
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Some thoughts:
I would think it starts earlier in life. Lets say you have a new born in the house (like dysfunction Junction does) and the baby's' father spends his days at work trolling fornits (instead of increasing his contribution there and building his career) which effects his quality of output and then he comes home at night and instead of spending time with his child he eats dinner and goes right to fornits. He gets his ass handed to him all day and night and then goes and handles his baby just before the child goes down for the night. The child is going to sense his anger and tension.
Now imagine this cycle happening on a daily basis. What effect would this fathers’ mood have on his child? The same fear that drives him to have a loaded gun (he checks each night) and keeps under his bed? The daily tension in the household? How does this translate into a safe and healthy environment for his baby to exist and thrive in?
What drives a man like this to spend years trying to discredit other people he doesn’t know on a forum ? Why would he not use his claimed education to educate others on the industry and join in balanced discussions on his personal experience which would help to get his message out?
Interesting? I think so.
Ouch!!!
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Some thoughts:
I would think it starts earlier in life. Lets say you have a new born in the house (like dysfunction Junction does) and the baby's' father spends his days at work trolling fornits (instead of increasing his contribution there and building his career) which effects his quality of output and then he comes home at night and instead of spending time with his child he eats dinner and goes right to fornits. He gets his ass handed to him all day and night and then goes and handles his baby just before the child goes down for the night. The child is going to sense his anger and tension.
Now imagine this cycle happening on a daily basis. What effect would this fathers’ mood have on his child? The same fear that drives him to have a loaded gun (he checks each night) and keeps under his bed? The daily tension in the household? How does this translate into a safe and healthy environment for his baby to exist and thrive in?
What drives a man like this to spend years trying to discredit other people he doesn’t know on a forum ? Why would he not use his claimed education to educate others on the industry and join in balanced discussions on his personal experience which would help to get his message out?
Interesting? I think so.
Ouch!!!
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Sorry, no one's buying it. ::)
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Over 6,000 logged posts and at least 2,000 anon posts. More than any other poster on Fornits, by far, except Antigen who owns the site.
DJ - 1.71 posts per day
Whooter - 4.31 posts per day
Whooter posts more than two and half times more than DJ. Who woulda thunk it? :rofl: :roflmao:
6,000+ posts logged plus 2,000+ posts anon plus sent kids to programs = child neglecting loser.
Simple math, really.
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Over 6,000 logged posts and at least 2,000 anon posts. More than any other poster on Fornits, by far, except Antigen who owns the site.
DJ - 1.71 posts per day
Whooter - 4.31 posts per day
Whooter posts more than two and half times more than DJ. Who woulda thunk it? :rofl: :roflmao:
6,000+ posts logged plus 2,000+ posts anon plus sent kids to programs = child neglecting loser.
Simple math, really.
Yes, but I dont have a new born at home who needs my attention and I dont need to work during the day to support them. You should be working towards providing for your family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet you dont even know. Why do you give me more attention than your own child? Why do you accept getting your ass handed to you day in and day out vs spending quality time with your family.
I find it fascinating that you do this. I love the attention though, most everyone here knows that, but I find it curious as to what drives a person like youself to choose me over their own family and career.
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Me: 1.71 posts per day. Lols.
You: :waaaa: and 4.31 posts per day.
Just look at your last 100 posts. Super-troll! Nothing even remotely resembling anything on-topic, just DJ this and DJ that - all with the aim to discredit me (and you don't even know me!).
That's your troll, Whooter. Blame others for doing what you do. Same mentality as putting your kids in programs for doing the same things you do - drugs, drinking, getting arrested, doing jail time, no taking accountability for your actions, etc.
This is the plain and simple statement, written by Whooter, that has set off this spate of trolling due to its reposting by me:
When is this supposed to take place?
Well the announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.
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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?
I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as Tipping
Whooter made this statement several years ago and subsequently auctioned off his account, rendering him unable to change this information he wants nobody to see. The fact is that he said it of his own volition and was bragging about it.
The problem is that if everyone knows about this fiduciary duty, Whooter feels like five years of his time here posing as "just a regular parent" have been wasted, and indeed they are.
When I started quoting this post and linking to it, Whooter got increasingly more upset and now spends all day every day being my personal troll in various guises: Whooter, SUCK IT, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, John McCain, et al.
My purpose in quoting this damning statement is twofold: one, it exposes Whooter for who and what he really is, a figure whose income is derived from Aspen Education; and two, to draw him out of his carefully crafted image to expose him for the desperate Aspen Education troll he is. Both objectives are complete.
Watch as Whooter logs in and out with his various sockpuppets, accusing me of abusing and raping children because he has been definitively linked to Aspen Education and its systemic abuse problems. It's interesting to note also that Whooter accuses me of the very things that Aspen Education programs have been being shut down for recently. He is simply trying to project qualities onto me that have been legally proven against Aspen Education.
Industry people always squeal the loudest when they've been stuck in the wallet. Look at this piggy squeal.
This is a desperate troll, folks. Whooter/SUCK IT/et al is an exemplar of the people to whom you might have entrusted your child's welfare at Aspen Education programs. If their marketing people behave this way, doesn't that provide a window into their corporate culture and strategy, as Ed Con Tom Croake recently exposed on his FamilyLights website? Even Ed Cons who make their living referring kids to Aspen are turning on it due to their recent spate of killings, abuse and neglect resulting in facility closures. This is how Aspen Education employees behave in public. Now just imagine how they behave in private, behind closed doors, alone with your child. Think about that for a while.
Caveat emptor, parents.
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Yes, I was up over 6 posts per day, but I dont have a new born at home, DJ, who needs my attention and I dont need to work during the day to support them. You should be working towards providing for your family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet you dont even know. Why do you give me more attention than your own child? Why do you accept getting your ass handed to you day in and day out vs spending quality time with your family.
I find it fascinating that you do this. I love the attention though, most everyone here knows that, but I find it curious as to what drives a person like youself to choose me over their own family and career.
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Me thinks thou doeth protest too much
None-Ya, you know damn well that was a great comment with much truth. Not just because it is about DJ but because it is true.
Damn it, man. what is it with you fornits people, even when you hear the truth you despise it.
Pot calling the kettle black. Do you really not realize that most of us look at you with complete ridicule? With maybe the exception of Whooter.
I don't think I've ever come across someone so absolutely clueless as you.
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I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Fixed it for you. Maybe you should take some of your own advice, considering you post more than 2.5 times more often than me, sent your kids to programs and apparently have no job or career.
Have you ever noticed that everything you post about me is just a projection of your own miserable failures in life?
1. You "could never hold a job"
2. Sent your kids to programs instead of being a father
3. Failed marriages
4. Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about, troll-boy. Stop being jealous of my family and career and move on with your own life. Seriously, you must have one giant whole through the middle of your soul you're trying to fill with Fornits. That's incredibly sad...
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Yes, I was up over 6 posts per day, but I dont have a new born at home, DJ, who needs my attention and I dont need to work during the day to support them. You should be working towards providing for your family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet you dont even know. Why do you give me more attention than your own child? Why do you accept getting your ass handed to you day in and day out vs spending quality time with your family.
I find it fascinating that you do this. I love the attention though, most everyone here knows that, but I find it curious as to what drives a person like youself to choose me over their own family and career.
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http://www.teenagerparenting101.com/Fre ... asses.html (http://www.teenagerparenting101.com/Free-Parenting-Classes.html)
- Parenting class - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
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I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Areas that bother me:
1."I could never hold a job"
2. Neglected my family while posting on the internet.
3. Failed marriage
4. I Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about.
Thanks for opening up a little,DJ, that was big step for you. I agree, maybe if you took some advice and started focusing just on your own family. Maybe you could still post during the day a little, but dedicate your time at home to your child and wife.
This would be a big step and maybe eventually you could go back and finish your MBA at night.
Give it some thought or PM me if you feel the need.
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I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Areas that bother me:
1."I could never hold a job"
2. Neglected my family while posting on the internet.
3. Failed marriage
4. I Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about.
Thanks for opening up a little,DJ, that was big step for you. I agree, maybe if you took some advice and started focusing just on your own family. Maybe you could still post during the day a little, but dedicate your time at home to your child and wife.
This would be a big step and maybe eventually you could go back and finish your MBA at night.
Give it some thought or PM me if you feel the need.
God, but you're a dick. :feedtrolls:
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Whooter :twofinger:
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I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Areas that bother me:
1."I could never hold a job"
2. Neglected my family while posting on the internet.
3. Failed marriage
4. I Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about.
Thanks for opening up a little,DJ, that was big step for you. I agree, maybe if you took some advice and started focusing just on your own family. Maybe you could still post during the day a little, but dedicate your time at home to your child and wife.
This would be a big step and maybe eventually you could go back and finish your MBA at night.
Give it some thought or PM me if you feel the need.
God, but you're a dick. :feedtrolls:
Anne, Dont be hard on him. DJ said he was going to try to cut back on his posting and start spending more time with his new baby. Give him some time to change, its tough being a new father.
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Whooter is focusing allot on DJ's child. Has Whooter ever been arrested for violating little boys? WOW!!!
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I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Areas that bother me:
1."I could never hold a job"
2. Neglected my family while posting on the internet.
3. Failed marriage
4. I Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about.
Thanks for opening up a little,DJ, that was big step for you. I agree, maybe if you took some advice and started focusing just on your own family. Maybe you could still post during the day a little, but dedicate your time at home to your child and wife.
This would be a big step and maybe eventually you could go back and finish your MBA at night.
Give it some thought or PM me if you feel the need.
God, but you're a dick. :feedtrolls:
Anne, Dont be hard on him. DJ said he was going to try to cut back on his posting and start spending more time with his new baby. Give him some time to change, its tough being a new father.
I was talking to you, but you knew that already.
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Some thoughts:
I would think it starts earlier in life. Lets say you have a new born in the house (like dysfunction Junction does) and the baby's' father spends his days at work trolling fornits (instead of increasing his contribution there and building his career) which effects his quality of output and then he comes home at night and instead of spending time with his child he eats dinner and goes right to fornits. He gets his ass handed to him all day and night and then goes and handles his baby just before the child goes down for the night. The child is going to sense his anger and tension.
Now imagine this cycle happening on a daily basis. What effect would this fathers’ mood have on his child? The same fear that drives him to have a loaded gun (he checks each night) and keeps under his bed? The daily tension in the household? How does this translate into a safe and healthy environment for his baby to exist and thrive in?
What drives a man like this to spend years trying to discredit other people he doesn’t know on a forum ? Why would he not use his claimed education to educate others on the industry and join in balanced discussions on his personal experience which would help to get his message out?
Interesting? I think so.
Ouch!!!
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Sorry, no one's buying it. ::)
Oh, not so fast there, Frodum...I am buying it along with a great many other folks.
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Me thinks thou doeth protest too much
None-Ya, you know damn well that was a great comment with much truth. Not just because it is about DJ but because it is true.
Damn it, man. what is it with you fornits people, even when you hear the truth you despise it.
Pot calling the kettle black. Do you really not realize that most of us look at you with complete ridicule? With maybe the exception of Whooter.
I don't think I've ever come across someone so absolutely clueless as you.
Well Anne, coming from you I have to take it as a compliment. I am so gratified you find me clueless, because at the very least I know your trying to understand a different point of veiw.
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I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Areas that bother me:
1."I could never hold a job"
2. Neglected my family while posting on the internet.
3. Failed marriage
4. I Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about.
Thanks for opening up a little,DJ, that was big step for you. I agree, maybe if you took some advice and started focusing just on your own family. Maybe you could still post during the day a little, but dedicate your time at home to your child and wife.
This would be a big step and maybe eventually you could go back and finish your MBA at night.
Give it some thought or PM me if you feel the need.
God, but you're a dick. :feedtrolls:
Anne, Dont be hard on him. DJ said he was going to try to cut back on his posting and start spending more time with his new baby. Give him some time to change, its tough being a new father.
I was talking to you, but you knew that already.
Anne, we are starting to become confused as to the substance of your relationship with DJ. Listen we understand you have bouts of aggressive promiscuity but we are asking, if you can take this strange behavior else where.
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Anne, we are starting to become confused as to the substance of your relationship with DJ. Listen we understand you have bouts of aggressive promiscuity but we are asking, if you can take this strange behavior else where.
Oh, fuck you Danny. The only "relationship" I have with DJ is what I've spoken to him about here. I've never met him, nor spoken with him on the phone. If you actually READ the posts (if you can), you'll see that Whooter was insinuating that I was talking about DJ being a dick when Whooter knew damn well I was talking to/about him (he does that a lot....it's part of his spin). Please try to keep up, or maybe take a remedial english class. It will help you tremendously in comprehending what people are saying/writing.
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Whooter is focusing allot on DJ's child. Has Whooter ever been arrested for violating little boys? WOW!!!
He has been asked that question before by other posters. He never responded other than to say he has been arrested many times and done jail time. He won't say what the arrests were for (he says two were for "civil disobediance" but admits to several others he won't describe) or how many bids he's done for how long. This has lead people to question if they were of the man/boy variety.
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Whooter is focusing allot on DJ's child. Has Whooter ever been arrested for violating little boys? WOW!!!
He has been asked that question before by other posters. He never responded other than to say he has been arrested many times and done jail time. He won't say what the arrests were for (he says two were for "civil disobediance" but admits to several others he won't describe) or how many bids he's done for how long. This has lead people to question if they were of the man/boy variety.
The last time I was arrested was age 22 (or there about). They were all while I was young and into the protesting of the day and wanting to get my voice heard. So I joined many protests and even headed up a few myself which I was arrested for. They were all for "civil disobedience". I think it is healthy for kids to speak out and try to change the world and make it better for others.
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Healthy? In your world the "kids who speak out" and do what you did end up in programs for "oppositional defiant disorder."
So, you've been arrested several times as an adult then. How many convictions and jail sentences?
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Healthy? In your world the "kids who speak out" and do what you did end up in programs for "oppositional defiant disorder."
Took the words right out of my mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It seems that now, when kids begin to develop minds and thoughts of their own and the parents don't like it, the kid gets shipped off to be "re-educated".
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Healthy? In your world the "kids who speak out" and do what you did end up in programs for "oppositional defiant disorder."
So, you've been arrested several times as an adult then. How many convictions and jail sentences?
No, I disagree, I think it is healthy for kids to speak out. It is part of a childs growth. Kids should not be placed in a program for this. If there is an ongoing issue with a specific child then the child should be seen by a professional to determine if the child has ODD or needs further care. The average parent cannot determine this on their own.
As far as jail sentences and convictions, None, what they do (did) is hold the people over night, try to scare or inconvenience them so that they don't do it again or dissuade them. The courts are not interested in giving young kids records before they start out in life for the types of things I was involved in. If I were a burden on society or out to hurt people then, yes, they would need step in and hold my feet to the fire a little more, but that was never the case.
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Healthy? In your world the "kids who speak out" and do what you did end up in programs for "oppositional defiant disorder."
Took the words right out of my mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It seems that now, when kids begin to develop minds and thoughts of their own and the parents don't like it, the kid gets shipped off to be "re-educated".
God bless America, I say!! We are a privileged people to have this option available to us!!!
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Healthy? In your world the "kids who speak out" and do what you did end up in programs for "oppositional defiant disorder."
So, you've been arrested several times as an adult then. How many convictions and jail sentences?
No, I disagree, I think it is healthy for kids to speak out. It is part of a childs growth. Kids should not be placed in a program for this. If there is an ongoing issue with a specific child then the child should be seen by a professional to determine if the child has ODD or needs further care. The average parent cannot determine this on their own.
As far as jail sentences and convictions, None, what they do (did) is hold the people over night, try to scare or inconvenience them so that they don't do it again or dissuade them. The courts are not interested in giving young kids records before they start out in life for the types of things I was involved in. If I were a burden on society or out to hurt people then, yes, they would need step in and hold my feet to the fire a little more, but that was never the case.
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Yeah, 22 is not a "young kid." You were arrested several times as an adult. Trying to move away from your admission now suggests you are not being truthful. Many here believe you have a lot more criminal experience than you want to say, so you just post some BS about a 22 year old being a "young kid." You're a lying phony about everything.
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I thought you grew up but, Okay, I'll play too...speaking of phonies:
All those years of you doing this to me, I have to admit it is fun!!! lol
Well lets take a look at what is real or not. Hmmmm...
Someone challenged your education history and you got pissed off and started editing and updating your history.
After you edited your posts you wrote this: which is your education history:
DJ, On June 30, 2010 you posted this:
June 30 post on DJ's education (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=368264#p368264)
A few hours before you posted the above you went and cleaned up your history going back 5 years. Here is an example. Notice the edit stamp at the bottom says:
June 30, 2010
DJ cleaned up all his history going back 5 years (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=11098&p=121144&hilit=msw#p121144)
Another one! Oh No! DJ was busy cleaning. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=91225#p91225)
Why would you go back 5 years and start editing all your education history just before you posted an update if you have been honest all along?
Just asking. Why do you accuse others of lying when you deceive the posters here on fornits for 5 years about yourself and education history.
Do you want to tell everyone why you left the industry? Were you truthful about that too? Did you have a change of heart or were you forced out because of background checks? Do you want to take a look at that next?
See anyone can play the same game you do, DJ. You have just spent years fabricating an image under the user name Dysfunction junction.
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sting!!!! wont go away. lol
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And it's right back to copypasta again.
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This is the plain and simple statement, written by Whooter, that has set off this spate of trolling due to its reposting by me:
When is this supposed to take place?
Well the announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.
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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?
I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as Tipping
Whooter made this statement several years ago and subsequently auctioned off his account, rendering him unable to change this information he wants nobody to see. The fact is that he said it of his own volition and was bragging about it.
The problem is that if everyone knows about this fiduciary duty, Whooter feels like five years of his time here posing as "just a regular parent" have been wasted, and indeed they are.
When I started quoting this post and linking to it, Whooter got increasingly more upset and now spends all day every day being my personal troll in various guises: Whooter, SUCK IT, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, John McCain, et al.
My purpose in quoting this damning statement is twofold: one, it exposes Whooter for who and what he really is, a figure whose income is derived from Aspen Education; and two, to draw him out of his carefully crafted image to expose him for the desperate Aspen Education troll he is. Both objectives are complete.
Watch as Whooter logs in and out with his various sockpuppets, accusing me of abusing and raping children because he has been definitively linked to Aspen Education and its systemic abuse problems. It's interesting to note also that Whooter accuses me of the very things that Aspen Education programs have been being shut down for recently. He is simply trying to project qualities onto me that have been legally proven against Aspen Education.
Industry people always squeal the loudest when they've been stuck in the wallet. Look at this piggy squeal.
This is a desperate troll, folks. Whooter/SUCK IT/et al is an exemplar of the people to whom you might have entrusted your child's welfare at Aspen Education programs. If their marketing people behave this way, doesn't that provide a window into their corporate culture and strategy, as Ed Con Tom Croake recently exposed on his FamilyLights website? Even Ed Cons who make their living referring kids to Aspen are turning on it due to their recent spate of killings, abuse and neglect resulting in facility closures. This is how Aspen Education employees behave in public. Now just imagine how they behave in private, behind closed doors, alone with your child. Think about that for a while.
Caveat emptor, parents.
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I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Areas that bother me:
1."I could never hold a job"
2. Neglected my family while posting on the internet.
3. Failed marriage
4. I Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about.
Thanks for opening up a little,DJ, that was big step for you. I agree, maybe if you took some advice and started focusing just on your own family. Maybe you could still post during the day a little, but dedicate your time at home to your child and wife.
This would be a big step and maybe eventually you could go back and finish your MBA at night.
Give it some thought or PM me if you feel the need.
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Whooter is focusing allot on DJ's child. Has Whooter ever been arrested for violating little boys? WOW!!!
He has been asked that question before by other posters. He never responded other than to say he has been arrested many times and done jail time. He won't say what the arrests were for (he says two were for "civil disobediance" but admits to several others he won't describe) or how many bids he's done for how long. This has lead people to question if they were of the man/boy variety.
Seems plausible based on his aberrent behavior here.
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I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Areas that bother me:
1."I could never hold a job"
2. Neglected my family while posting on the internet.
3. Failed marriage
4. I Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about.
Thanks for opening up a little,DJ, that was big step for you. I agree, maybe if you took some advice and started focusing just on your own family. Maybe you could still post during the day a little, but dedicate your time at home to your child and wife.
This would be a big step and maybe eventually you could go back and finish your MBA at night.
Give it some thought or PM me if you feel the need.
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Original post for context. Whooter changed all the wording to suit his agenda.
I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Fixed it for you. Maybe you should take some of your own advice, considering you post more than 2.5 times more often than me, sent your kids to programs and apparently have no job or career.
Have you ever noticed that everything you post about me is just a projection of your own miserable failures in life?
1. You "could never hold a job"
2. Sent your kids to programs instead of being a father
3. Failed marriages
4. Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about, troll-boy. Stop being jealous of my family and career and move on with your own life. Seriously, you must have one giant whole through the middle of your soul you're trying to fill with Fornits. That's incredibly sad...
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Whooter changed all the wording to suit his agenda.
I figured...
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Damn! Anyone know what he deleted?
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Notice where DJ says below: "Fixed it for you"...... he altered the original post.
Original post for context. Whooter changed all the wording to suit his agenda.
I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Fixed it for you. Maybe you should take some of your own advice, considering you post more than 2.5 times more often than me, sent your kids to programs and apparently have no job or career.
Have you ever noticed that everything you post about me is just a projection of your own miserable failures in life?
1. You "could never hold a job"
2. Sent your kids to programs instead of being a father
3. Failed marriages
4. Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about, troll-boy. Stop being jealous of my family and career and move on with your own life. Seriously, you must have one giant whole through the middle of your soul you're trying to fill with Fornits. That's incredibly sad...
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Lets get the right one back up there:
I should be working towards providing for my family instead of trying to discredit someone on the internet I dont even know.
Areas that bother me:
1."I could never hold a job"
2. Neglected my family while posting on the internet.
3. Failed marriage
4. I Dropped out of business school
5. Spent all day and all night every and every night on Fornits for the last five years
Something to think about.
Thanks for opening up a little,DJ, that was big step for you. I agree, maybe if you took some advice and started focusing just on your own family. Maybe you could still post during the day a little, but dedicate your time at home to your child and wife.
This would be a big step and maybe eventually you could go back and finish your MBA at night.
Give it some thought or PM me if you feel the need.
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Notice where DJ says below: "Fixed it for you"...... he altered the original post.
Son or daughter that you sent to an Aspen program?
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For more, see here.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975&start=0
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Damn! Anyone know what he deleted?
Yes, it said "I post under several usernames including "Whooter" among others." Then he deleted it.
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Damn! Anyone know what he deleted?
Yes, it said "I post under several usernames including "Whooter" among others." Then he deleted it.
Ah...I see. I wondered how SUCK IT (yanno, being 'new' here) knew exactly which thread to find the pic of my ass that he had as his avatar for about a minute.
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Damn! Anyone know what he deleted?
Yes, it said "I post under several usernames including "Whooter" among others." Then he deleted it.
Ah...I see. I wondered how SUCK IT (yanno, being 'new' here) knew exactly which thread to find the pic of my ass that he had as his avatar for about a minute.
Good point. I forgot about that. Wasn't Whooter drooling and obsessive about that pic for a while, too? Sounds like a bit much for "coincidence" to me.
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Yo, these latest revelations have sent the Whooter/SUCK IT/DannyB11 creature into a new frenzy of online madness for all to see. It sent DannyB11 into such a downward spiral that even I felt sorry for him. I would declare victory but somehow i think we haven't heard the last of these folks. Hoping I am wrong.
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Whooter has been a very busy troll here lately. Take a look at this screenshot of my PM box from June 28, 2010. (http://http://s1014.photobucket.com/albums/af262/dysfunction_junction/?action=view¤t=WhooterLies.jpg)
At that point in time Whooter only had 203 posts under his username. In July and part of August, less than two months time, he posted an amazing, incredible 1793 times.
He has 1996 "logged posts" as of today (over 1,000 anon posts under his "Whooter" ID, but they were from between 9/25/09 and 2/1/10 when he was still allowed to guest post) so subtract the 203 that he had less than 60 days ago and you have 1,793 posts in less than 60 days!
Get your mind around that pathology, folks. 30 posts per day, every day. Gotta love those screenshots, eh? They do come in handy when quantifying the most prolific troll in Fornits history.
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The update combined my posts with my wifes posts (and a handful were my daughters). The last time I had this done the update showed I had about 1 or 2 guest posts per week, which was about right.
I think that you are falling apart, DJ. Try to calm down. Is that the first time someone has called you out on a PM? I guess you dont get much mail if that post shocked you. You have been trolling me for 5 years and you deserve to get some of it back.
We forced you out of the shadows and revealed your trolling, DJ.... just a quick look your posts increased by a few hundred just on these threads alone. We now know who was responsible for all the attack threads on me.... almost every single posts against me was yours.
take a look:
Thread 1 (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=336332&hilit=john+reuben#p336336)
Thread 2 (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=27934&start=0&hilit=john+reuben)
Thread 3 (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&hilit=john+reuben)
I can now see why you have dedicated your footer to me. You do seem to have a problem, DJ. That is a lot of trolling against one person, there is no getting around that.
Do you want to look at our footers again? lol Hang in there and dont get too upset.
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Whooter has been a very busy troll here lately. Take a look at this screenshot of my PM box from June 28, 2010. (http://http://s1014.photobucket.com/albums/af262/dysfunction_junction/?action=view¤t=WhooterLies.jpg)
At that point in time Whooter only had 203 posts under his username. In July and part of August, less than two months time, he posted an amazing, incredible 1793 times.
He has 1996 "logged posts" as of today (over 1,000 anon posts under his "Whooter" ID, but they were from between 9/25/09 and 2/1/10 when he was still allowed to guest post) so subtract the 203 that he had less than 60 days ago and you have 1,793 posts in less than 60 days!
Get your mind around that pathology, folks. 30 posts per day, every day. Gotta love those screenshots, eh? They do come in handy when quantifying the most prolific troll in Fornits history.
Sorry, bro. 1,793 posts in less than sixty days tells the whole story.
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Whooter has been a very busy troll here lately. Take a look at this screenshot of my PM box from June 28, 2010. (http://http://s1014.photobucket.com/albums/af262/dysfunction_junction/?action=view¤t=WhooterLies.jpg)
At that point in time Whooter only had 203 posts under his username. In July and part of August, less than two months time, he posted an amazing, incredible 1793 times.
He has 1996 "logged posts" as of today (over 1,000 anon posts under his "Whooter" ID, but they were from between 9/25/09 and 2/1/10 when he was still allowed to guest post) so subtract the 203 that he had less than 60 days ago and you have 1,793 posts in less than 60 days!
Get your mind around that pathology, folks. 30 posts per day, every day. Gotta love those screenshots, eh? They do come in handy when quantifying the most prolific troll in Fornits history.
Sorry, bro. 1,793 posts in less than sixty days tells the whole story.
Using your own math, yours went up by over 3,500. Thats almost twice as many.
Whoops, you may want to check your own posts before throwing stones. lol
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Nice try, fella, but Psy already weighed in on my behalf. You, however, are just a liar. You must hate yourself. Plus all those nasty PM's you keep sending me. Self-loathing is evident.
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Nice try, fella, but Psy already weighed in on my behalf. You, however, are just a liar. You must hate yourself. Plus all those nasty PM's you keep sending me. Self-loathing is evident.
Well lets take a look at the data then shall we:
Whooters Count (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?author_id=5558&sr=posts)
Dysfunction Junctions count (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?author_id=2271&sr=posts)
Whoa!!! twice as many as me...... lol.
Your a troll.... hows that footer coming along? Still obsessed?
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Pretending to be a research scientist from Canyon Research in order to "add validity" to a fake "study"? Oh, you shouldn't have. And you trolled yourself right in the middle of it, too... Awww. How precious. Mr. Phony Canyon Research Scientist. LOLS!
Whooter has been busy impersonating a research scientist from Canyon Research. Too much!
Are there any other groups anyone can suggest which would be help translate what Mark witnessed (fraud) by Aspen Education Group into a criminal or civil action?
This would be a good idea and would force many of these organizations like heal, issacorp,cafety and fornits to face the truth about what these studies have uncovered. If there were a civil suit then the studies could no longer be ignored by these people.
It amazes me why they chose to ignore information like this. Their position is getting weaker and weaker as the industry grows yet they stay on their present course. Why not try to get out and help some of these kids and their families. It is a much more satisfying than trying to deceive people and tear them down.
It is because they work in half truths. they dont want to accept the studies because it goes against what they are working towards. Any type of study is going to damage them because the studies show the industry to be effective and safe every time.
If you called Heal or the others and told them you were abused in a program they would take you at face value and report it as truth. But on the other hand if you provide them with facts and studies they reject it and the information never gets reported.
Thank you for clearing this up. I will not continue to post here if the trolling doesn’t stop. I came to fornits to discuss the canyon research study and no one here seems to be interested. The other sites didn’t want the truth either. Part of me thinks these sites are behind the trolling. The study is valid and shows the programs to be extemely effective.
Mark DeGroot I couldn’t log in
Even signing "Mark DeGroot" at the bottom. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28834&start=45#p348044)
And again:
MARK: PLEASE CONTACT ISAC, HEAL, AND CAFETY.
I tried all of those organizations and none of them were interested in talking to me. It seems they only wanted to hear negative things about the industry and disregarded any facts that I presented. Then I come here to fornits and feel I am getting pushed out by all the trolling.
Why is this? Why not have a valid discussion?
Mark DeGroot
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28834&start=45#p348047)
And here he's claiming again to be "Mark DeGroot" and feigning interest in Dave Marcus' book which he has pimped here for ears, but as "Mark DeGroot" he is keen to this "fresh information." LOLS.
Try making a few posts that you were abused in a program and then try making a few posts that says you were helped by one or introduce a study. See if you are welcomed equally
Interesting to say the least.
Maybe it's time to move the only positive program reviews away from the referral pimp sites and just push it all out onto yelp. The good, the bad, the whatever.
Might as well. Consumer reviews and feedback are always fun to read.
Try looking at it from our point of view
Wow. Irony.
Imagine if a Pulitzer prized author decided to investigate the Industry and joins a peer group and lives at a program 24/7 for over a year and then writes a book about his findings. Wouldn’t you think this would be valuable information? Do you think it
I don’t understand why people would try to impersonate me and twist my words. The last post used my name but was not written by me. I thought by getting a user name this would stop.
The research done by Canyon Research and Consulting was a good solid study. The people working there are dedicated and professional. This attempt to damage their reputation and the results is appalling and void of any truth or bases.
And he even squeals with delight as a guest claiming "Whooter is watching from the sidelines." How rich this is.
You're not fooling anyone, Whooter. Every time you try to say "Brucie did it" it's a dead giveaway you're lying.
Let's be clear: TheWho stole Mark DeGroot's identity here on Fornits. The guy guy logging in as "Mark DeGroot" is TheWho and then he tries to blame it on "Bruce". Don't be scammed by TheWho. And TheWho is John Reuben, so John Reuben does post here, he just does it posing as several other people, the latest is "Mark DeGroot" whose identity he assumed in the name of "adding balance to the discussion".
Sorry Bruce, but your writing style gives you away every time. You always try to blame all the guest posts on thewho, aka Cindy, aka Rueben. If it werent so funny it would be sad.
But I am with the other poster. It is fun to watch and I am sure Whooter is getting a hoot watching all of this from the sidelines lol ;D
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28834&p=348643#p348730)
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Nice try, fella, but Psy already weighed in on my behalf. You, however, are just a liar. You must hate yourself. Plus all those nasty PM's you keep sending me. Self-loathing is evident.
Well lets take a look at the data then shall we:
Whooters Count (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?author_id=5558&sr=posts)
Dysfunction Junctions count (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?author_id=2271&sr=posts)
Whoa!!! twice as many as me...... lol.
Your a troll.... hows that footer coming along? Still obsessed?
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DJ, Come on. You just edited out your post that showed you created the Name Mark DeGroot lol
I fought you toe to toe, you just exposed yourself again.
Here is your edited posts:
You posed as the Mark Guy first…. Look at the edit stamps from today.
You are too obsessed, DJ:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=348020#p348020
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=347990#p347990
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Get the fuck out of here, no one believes yer ass!!!
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You're begging for it, bro. I have a full magazine. Fair warning. I already qfted some of your most heinous statements and screenshot your pm obsession.
Do you really want me to unload? I will if required. Want to issue any denials before I prove you to be even more of a phony than you ever imagined I could. Say the word.
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You're begging for it, bro. I have a full magazine. Fair warning. I already qfted some of your most heinous statements and screenshot your pm obsession.
Do you really want me to unload? I will if required. Want to issue any denials before I prove you to be even more of a phony than you ever imagined I could. Say the word.
Oh No, are you going to put them all in your footer? lol
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DJ, Come on. You just edited out your post that showed you created the Name Mark DeGroot lol
I fought you toe to toe, you just exposed yourself again, DJ.
Here is your edited posts:
You posed as the Mark Guy first…. Look at the edit stamps from today. You edited yours just before I did lol.
You are too obsessed, DJ:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=348020#p348020
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=347990#p347990
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Get the fuck out of here, no one believes yer ass!!!
HOLY SHIT YOU SOUND FUCKIN HOSTILE!!!!!! :notworthy: ::evil:: :jerry:
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Sorry, pal. All I did was link to your posts posing as "Mark DeGroot" and quote them for truth so you couldn't change them. Why did you pose a researcher if the "study" was so great? Guess it needed a little "Whooter help" to be "credible." But you shot yourself through and through, boy.
As Frod said, nobody believes you. If you put a hit counter on your bogus links it would only register your 10,000 plus hits.
1,793 posts in 58 days. That says it all, buddy. That says it all.
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Here he is trolling RobertBruce and giggling about how "TheWho" has RB dancing. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=348141&hilit=hla#p348128)
He also tells on himself that he got RB's "treatment issues" from an HLA staff. Maybe RB will hit him with a subpeona? Sounds like a lawsuit to me. More than likely Whooter's defense will be "I was lying." Yeah, no shit.
John calls everyone who nails his ass to the wall "Bruce"
Its Still......Wiggle, wiggle, Bruce, as thewho would say. You have been owned for years by this guy and you just cant let it go. I have watched this guy string you along and make you jump thru hoops, Bruce. The last straw was when he got the ear of a staff member from HLA and found out you had issues about being a coward.
You should try to change your writting style if you really expect to fool anyone.
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Boy, he love trolling RB. Here he says that RB is actually TheWho, only when his posts were linked to his account...uh oh... (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=334797&hilit=only+time+you+reference+bi+or+gay+was+when+you#p334797)
Just those two.
So the only time you reference bi or gay was when you are logged in as TheWho. Why did you continue to fight with yourself online using two different id's? Why did you publically antagonize Dysfunction Junction and make him look foolish. Trying to say that the more offensive posts where made by someone else doesnt work because there can only be one identity/username called "TheWho" or"RobertBruce" or "psy" etc. I cant log in and pretend to be psy or Ursus etc. So you have been very offensive on this board but what you are saying is you were not offensive when logged in as RobertBruce.
Your argument and logic is interesting.
This guy is seriously, seriously mental.
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TheWho also thinks there are kids who benifitted from going to a TBS, I heard him say it on another thread. If parents believe him we are screwed, we need to convince everyone that no kid has ever improved by going to a TBS. We cant have someone on fornits saying positive stuff about TBS's. Lets discredit the bastard and show the other parents he is no good. Maybe we can make up post about him and spread them around.
Trolling himself in order to play victim, ala SUCK IT. Nice touch. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21639&p=262075&hilit=dj+child+abuser#p262074)
And then responding to his self-troll in the very next post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21639&p=262075&hilit=dj+child+abuser#p262075) trying to play the victim again.
STFU, man, dont just talk about it on an open forum like that, just do it. Come up with some new stories. We need to convince these parents he is an abuser and likes to see kids suffer, otherwise they may believe him and his data.
Seriously, why would anyone believe a goddamn word this freak says?
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Whoops, DJ, caught in another lie. DJ's MO is falsifying posts to make it seem like I wrote them. You should ask him to show you a post where Ottawa5 and I were speaking together... hint (it doesnt exist). I can show you that one later.
Whooter he does bring a good point regarding your post concerning a son and not a daughter. Can you explain this discrepancy?
Well take a look at your friend DJ’s post and see what is written:
Link to DJ's post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=372593#p372593)
Then compare it to this post on an ASR chat board (Look at the 7th post)... Ha,Ha,Ha caught red handed again:
Link to ASR chat board (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)
This is what your buddy Dysfunction Junction tries to pass along as proof. He deals with deception and he has a burning need to try to discredit those who disagree with him. The site was his link originally and he started referring to them and even started a thread based on them. But when I referenced them he claims they were written by me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=372775#p372775)
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BIG RED letters declare Whooter has never talked to Ottawa5. BIG RED letters mean Whooter is truthful! Posting the same post fifty times means Whooter is more than sure about it! Unless you actually look at his posts. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=21401&hilit=ottawa5&start=30#p258543) ; )
Deborah, you are a liar. You know you deleted and altered my posts and allowed others to use them as mis quotes.
I have no way of proving this because I am on this side of the database, but you have zero integrity when you use your moderating power this way.
I asked that you stop doing this.... I have no way of fighting it or you.
To The Who,
I don't know you, though I have read your posts on occasion.
As to your assertion that Deborah is a liar: I used to post at this site. Now I only check it to get information or to find information. For this at least it is useful, by the way, specifically in terms of current hysteria, myths and rumors about various TBS's.
I stopped posting here because my posts were also altered, I can't prove by whom, but certainly not by me. Many times. And in hideous ways.
No interest at all in getting into a big fight with the regulars here: I know when I'm dealing with people who are beyond reason. Very likely this post will get at least some of them all frantic and perhaps start up their little schtick about me being something akin to the Great Satan.
And they will refer back to posts I never wrote to prove it.
Nobody cares much I don't think, least of all me. But to the Who: when I stumbled onto your post as quoted previously, I thought I'd just go ahead and validate the fact that these kinds of things do happen here. Don't let anyone convince you differently.
Which is why nobody (out side of the groupthink crew that you're, for some reason, trying to civilize) cares about this site except as a source of incidental info.
Or counts it as being relevant to anything.
Ottawa
Thank you, Ottawa[/size], for validating what is happening here. It is tough being one against many....especially when they are holding all the cards and can change your words and then turn them against you.
Tough crowd here!!
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"TheWho. Getting caught phonying up people's quotes since 2005." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=21401&hilit=ottawa5&start=30#p258546) This should be Whooter's advertising slogan.
Just copy what TheWho wrote (and claimed Deb wrote it :lol: ) and plug it into the search feature and you get exactly two hits, the very first one (the first place those words have ever appeared in the database; the second is a quote of TheWho's post in the web admin forum) is TheWho's post.
:D :D What a liar! And caught and burned again! :D :D
Proof's in the pudding! TheWho was caught again! ha,ha,ha...
Try to take it easy, Who. Digging your hole deeper by phonying up quotes only hurts your credibility more Ha, ha, ha...
Game over. Time to move on to some other WhoLies...
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Thewho is right. The link you provided shows clearly that ASR teaches grades 9, 10 , 11 and 12 just like any other high school in the state.
http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588 (http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?mode=o&view=&mcasyear=2006&ot=2&o=2588)
Look at the bottom where the State of Massachusetts states what grades are offered. Last time I checked grades 9 thru 12 was considred high school.
Here's TheWho attesting to his own correctness while posting anon. (http://http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15260&start=330#p257825)
And I bust him out in the next post. (http://http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15260&start=330#p257832)
Well, since you are TheWho, it seems silly to refer to yourself in the third person, ha, ha, ha, but it's informative to know you need to pretend to be multiple people (or, is it as RB said and you have MPD, or as Cassandra said, and you are just an extremely heavy drinker? :wink: ).
But, whatever. No matter. Since ASR claims to teach 9, 10, 11, and 12 then I guess I can accept your claim that they are an Unapproved Special Education High School, even though the state just calls them an "Unapproved Special Education School".
http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588 (http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?mode=o&view=&mcasyear=2006&ot=2&o=2588)
Glad we got that settled! Ha, ha, ha...
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Thewho is right. The link you provided shows clearly that ASR teaches grades 9, 10 , 11 and 12 just like any other high school in the state.
http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588 (http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?mode=o&view=&mcasyear=2006&ot=2&o=2588)
Look at the bottom where the State of Massachusetts states what grades are offered. Last time I checked grades 9 thru 12 was considred high school.
Here's TheWho attesting to his own correctness while posting anon. (http://http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15260&start=330#p257825)
And I bust him out in the next post. (http://http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15260&start=330#p257832)
Well, since you are TheWho, it seems silly to refer to yourself in the third person, ha, ha, ha, but it's informative to know you need to pretend to be multiple people (or, is it as RB said and you have MPD, or as Cassandra said, and you are just an extremely heavy drinker? :wink: ).
But, whatever. No matter. Since ASR claims to teach 9, 10, 11, and 12 then I guess I can accept your claim that they are an Unapproved Special Education High School, even though the state just calls them an "Unapproved Special Education School".
http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588 (http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?mode=o&view=&mcasyear=2006&ot=2&o=2588)
Glad we got that settled! Ha, ha, ha...
That was probably not a good example for you.
I read that Post, Dysfunction Junction, and "TheWho" was right. You were proven wrong.
Here take a look:
Look at the bottom where the State of Massachusetts states what grades are offered. Last time I checked grades 9 thru 12 was considred high school.
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Last the admins checked you made over 1,700 posts in 58 days. Last I checked you got your ass handed to you again. Last I checked all of the aliases you used to spam PM my inbox (8 times in a few hours yesterday after you got gobsmacked wit over 10,000 posts you tried to deny) all of the aliases you have been using to harass me were converted to "Whooter." Now that's some sick and twisted obsession in the ol' PM inbox, boy.
Posting here now is just your own form of masturbation. You're the biggest lying phony fake ever to troll Fornits. Nobody gives a damn what you say and nobody looks at your stupid made up links either.
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The name on this Topic is very fitting..... You chummed his straight up to the boat.... Our words are like chum to sharks to him ... :seg:
TROLL CHUM - One Simple Statement That Set Off The Troll
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Last the admins checked you made over 1,700 posts in 58 days. Last I checked you got your ass handed to you again. Last I checked all of the aliases you used to spam PM my inbox (8 times in a few hours yesterday after you got gobsmacked wit over 10,000 posts you tried to deny) all of the aliases you have been using to harass me were converted to "Whooter." Now that's some sick and twisted obsession in the ol' PM inbox, boy.
Posting here now is just your own form of masturbation. You're the biggest lying phony fake ever to troll Fornits. Nobody gives a damn what you say and nobody looks at your stupid made up links either.
Sorry it hurts so much, DJ, but I warned you. You posted twice as much as I did. You went from 3,550 posts to over 7,050 (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?author_id=2271&sr=posts) WOW!!! I think we know where some of those trolling guest posts went to. You started some dedicated threads to me and posted almost exclusively as a guest post. But now we know who started those... there are dozens more threads.
Lets take a look:
DJ’s obsession of starting threads as a Guest:
Thread 1 (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=336331#p336331)
Thread 2 (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=27934&start=0&hilit=john+reuben)
Thread 3 (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&hilit=john+reuben)
Can you spell o-b-s-e-s-s-e-d?
I think you need to expand your footer with some new material. You have erased some really good ones, DJ. Whats wrong? Do you miss all those aliases you use to post under?
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"TheWho. Getting caught phonying up people's quotes since 2005." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=21401&hilit=ottawa5&start=30#p258546) This should be Whooter's advertising slogan.
Just copy what TheWho wrote (and claimed Deb wrote it :lol: ) and plug it into the search feature and you get exactly two hits, the very first one (the first place those words have ever appeared in the database; the second is a quote of TheWho's post in the web admin forum) is TheWho's post.
:D :D What a liar! And caught and burned again! :D :D
Proof's in the pudding! TheWho was caught again! ha,ha,ha...
Try to take it easy, Who. Digging your hole deeper by phonying up quotes only hurts your credibility more Ha, ha, ha...
Game over. Time to move on to some other WhoLies...
DJ, Let me bring you up to speed. When your posts were strung together today your name was placed on your guest posts. The post above was you talking to yourself. (you just outed yourself as a troll!) lol The guest poster in the above thread was you!
Here take a look:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=258540#p258540)
Whoops, Trolling yourself?
Imagine if I were obsessed and into footers? I am not even looking, I am finding these from your own posts. lol
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Why give the Who what he wants.... He is only here to annoy the hell out of people... Try ignoring him for a few days he will lose his mind !!!!
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Why give the Who what he wants.... He is only here to annoy the hell out of people... Try ignoring him for a few days he will lose his mind !!!!
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Everyone has tried that Botched. We even installed an ignore button of some sort so we can ignore each other. What happens is Dysfunction Junction and Robert Bruce start to get fidgety after about two days, they cant stand not posting and then they just release and start trolling the shit out of me. If it were not so sad it would be funny.
Sometimes if Dysfunction Junction can locate some material for a new footer entry it keeps him busy and happy for a couple of days, but it typically doesn't last very long.
I think with all these guest posts being converted to user names it may calm them down a bit for a few days. Its a fairly intense obsession for them, not sure what they get out of it but I think we all enjoy it.
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Can you spell o-b-s-e-s-s-e-d?
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Obsessed
v. ob·sessed, ob·sess·ing, ob·sess·es
v.tr.
To preoccupy the mind of excessively.
v.intr.
To have the mind excessively preoccupied with a single emotion or topic:
Now does any of this apply to you Who ??? You just can't stop... I swear it seems like you suffer from meglomania disorder.
Meglomania
1. A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.
2. An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or actions.
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Here's Whooter, after claiming for years his daughter got full credit at ASR and was "well ahead of her peers academically" getting caught in yet another huge lie to spin ASR's record and his daughter's story. She dropped out of school. And it took her five years to graduate. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=336805#p336799) Doesn't sound like "well ahead academically" to me.
Did she actually graduate college? Or is she still going? Did she drop out?
She has graduated now,but she did dropped out for awhile to get a job working with veterens to help them get benefits or something like that. A boyfriend got her into it I think. She tired of it and went back to school and finished…took her 5 years.
Also take note that Whooter has before admitted his daughter stopped talking to him for two years, but later claimed they remained very close and had open communication. Compare that against his statement above. He didn't even know what she was doing in her life and didn't know how she came to be in it. How does that square with a "close relationship"?
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Hey check this out, I think RobertBruce is talking to himself again
RobertBruces own words:
"I guess there isnt much point in hiding it. TheWho and I are one and the same. I created the character a few years ago as a means of serving as a lightining rod for programmies. I'd been posting on here for about 2.5 years when I came up with the idea. I wanted to give all the anti-program posters an opportunity to showcase everything that's sick and wrong with this industry....."
Original post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=334604&sid=0db244feeabae0aef13ab0bc3a94c769#p334604)
Another question that has not been answered:
[size]I guess we can agree that TheWho character was abusive,[/size] but the question remains as to why you would hide behind this user name and take pot shots at fellow survivors? Rip into Dysfunction Junction every chance you got, making him look like a fool......What was gained by that Bruce? Was it because he was an ex-HLA Staff member?
Whooter cops to being abusive while anon, but only to try to make the connection that TheWho is RobertBruce and that RB was being abusive. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=335288#p335282) This is really demented behavior. Why would Whooter go this far to abuse a kid who was abused at a program?
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As I do more reading here, it becomes more and more apparent how sick Whooter really is. He used his account TheWho until it was so battered and exposed he had to dump it and create a new one. But now that his 3,000 anon posts have been linked to his "TheWho" username, there's a real theme emerging. He is absolutely giddy while trolling abused children. He gets his rocks off by doing this. At the same time, he's ashamed of it and tried to transfer his actions onto his victim.
Does this sound at all familiar to those of you who were abused? Your tormentor blames it on you. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&start=3825#p335298) That you somehow deserved it? Whooter has the same pattern as a child abuser. Makes me wonder what he has been doing out there in the real world.
Exactly who is it that you are trying to have take responsibility for your own posts Bruce? Why did you post that garbage under TheWho username to begin with? Its always good to start at the source:
my confession (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=334604&sid=bc41b4c89ebff7a3f71f0b8227f2a25f#p334604)
Why are you trying to make Dysfunction Junction look like a jerk all the time RobertBruce/TheWho or what ever your name is. What did he ever do to you? Like DJ said, why do you stay up all night writting this crap. Back when you were posting as TheWho and RobertBruce you at least took a few breaks... you seemed consumed by it all now.
I have been reading here for awhile and the only connection that I can find is that RobertBruce attended HLA and Dysfunction Junction was on staff there. I think that the only reason RobertBruce made up TheWho character is because he wanted to attack Dysfunction junction as sort of payback for his grief at HLA without him knowing who it was that was making him look like a fool. Bruce got some pleasure from this.
It kind of makes sense now that RobertBruce has come out from behind the curtain.
Look at the upsized text above. Whooter is basically revealing his innermost thoughts while smug in his anonymity and simultaneously trying to avoid responsibility for his sick actions and feelings by transferring them on to his victim, Robert. This is perhaps the sickest, most revealing post of Whooter's I have ever read.
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Oops! The Who caught lying again. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=13598&p=167838&hilit=littlecats#p167862)
Some time ago The Who's posts were linked up under his username. Starngely, RB was posting at the same time period, but none of RB's posts showed up under The Who's user name.
Only The Who's posts under his various names, none of which were RB, BTW were tied together. If RB ever posted, even one time, from the same network as The who, all of his posts would be tied together with Who's. But, they weren't.
This hurts, Who. Your ruse is now permanently disabled. Too bad. I enjoyed watching you squirm, but now you'll have to find some new meme to hammer on...
TheWho/RobertBruce what ever he calls himself now always posted together and it was always curious to me. But after Bruce sold the name off to Ursus he then confessed that he was the man behind TheWho mask. It was a good ruse but I think many of his posts crossed the line in making fun of fellow survivors which comes from having no accountability for his actions. But Bruces time has come and he doesnt like the reception has gotten since revealing his secret.
God, it's actually making me a bit queasy to get into this psychpath's ideations. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&start=3825#p335303)
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We know you have been wrong. The question is why would you create a character which would make fun of fellow survivors? You ridiculed us and our stories for the sake of humor or getting back at Dysfunction Junction and HLA. You are a sick person RobertBruce. I am glad you finally admitted it in the post below, but that doesnt excuse your actions and efforts to distance yourself from responsibility.
See RobertBruce Live (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=334604&sid=7a38195afe127c2d46d877c9e825ffc2#p334604)
If Ginger feels insulted, she can easily look at the ip addresses and fugure out who said it. But I doubt she is even insterested in the trolling.
Now back to figuring out how many other names RobertBruce has been posting under... so far we have Little cats, TheWho and RobertBruces... can we add Dysfunction Junction? That would be interesting.
This freak has some real issues. The more I read the more disturbed I get. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=335370#p335377)
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Here's TheWho back to the "RB fucks dogs" routine. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=335370#p335381) I never knew the extent of his sick obsession with Robert.
Ugh. There really is no hope for this fellow. The "programs" broke up his marriage and led to the death of one of his kids and still doesn't get it. "Some people you just can't reach."
I only do dogs remember? woof, woof. Its me Bruce. Sorry I trolled you all those years and made you look foolish, but I was taking my anger out on you for my time in HLA. I retired TheWhos name to Ursus and now just post under RobertBruce or as a "Guest". Can we be friends. I am being attacked so badly that I need someone to post in my defense.
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I wouldn’t be too tough on the guy. You have to remember Bruce was still working through the difficulty of his time at HLA and was just getting comfortable with posting as RobertBruce when he took on TheWho name. He had a lot of hostility towards Dysfunction Junction because he was staff and openly posting in the HLA forum which he felt comfortable with. So DJ was interfering with his space and being a staff person to boot drove him to say a few things he regrets. Deborah was a moderator on the forum and often took DJ’s side on many issues which rubbed Bruce the wrong way.
These were the seeds which bore the hostility towards DJ and Deborah and eventually spilled over to abusing all fellow survivors here on the board. TheWho character became his ass hole side and allowed him to release his anger and wrath on people without taking accountability.I think now that the cat is out of the bag (or should I say "littlecats" ) he wishes he could take it back because he is not getting the compassion and understanding from everyone like he thought he would.
Geez. Even the emphasis is TheWho's. He even admits he's an asshole, as long as he can blame it on Bruce, that is. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&start=3885#p335420)
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I have had opportunity to do it and I have had the information but its not something I would ever do. Anyone who reads here knows this.
This is a lie (surprise, surprise). Whooter posted what he thought was RobertBruce's personal information many times before.
Look, DJ, everyone here knows this is a sticky point with me. I am totally against this. If I did this you would have had links to your footer, I think we all know this by now and Bruce would have gone to the admins. My posts are all linked together now, just post the link to where I put up anybody's personal information.
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One example of many below. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=335202#p335203)
Why does Bruce always revert back to the gay or homosexual theme... interesting. Kind of an HLA throw back? Still working on it, Devon?
Well...there's a name. And...there's an "issue." Plus...there's a facility. I can't see it getting any more "personal" than that.
Why would any adult go after an abused child like this to try to out their identity can call them gay? Why woud anyone do this?
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Is RobertBruce really TheWho???
Seems that way, Ever since RobertBruce came out and admitted he was TheWho everyone and his brother has been searching for past posts to see what he was up to all those years. So far they uncovered he has been posting under several other names too.
Hmmm, DJ has a point. What if RobertBruce is expressing this sickness of his outside of the internet where he is not just using aliases like TheWho and Little cats. At least if Bruce is contained to forums he cannot really hurt anyone. If Dysfunctions diagnosis is correct Bruce could be a danger to neighborhood children as well as family members.
Putting the pieces together for a confession now. Remember, TheWho is talking about himself and his own behaviors here. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&start=3900#p335441)
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Well, there you have it. TheWho confesses to his deep self-loathing, while under the impression he can blame it on RB. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&start=3915#p335465)
Hmmm, DJ has a point. What if RobertBruce is expressing this sickness of his outside of the internet where he is not just using aliases like TheWho and Little cats. At least if Bruce is contained to forums he cannot really hurt anyone. If Dysfunctions diagnosis is correct Bruce could be a danger to neighborhood children as well as family members.
It sickens me to think that this trolling is all just TheWho's transeference of his own twisted ideations onto RB. If you read TheWho's posts and understand he's revealing his innermost problems and thoughts it's very disturbing.
It seemed to all come out under TheWho postings. Somehow I think this was healing for RobertBruce to get this sickness out this way. But it has continued for years. Lots of self hatred is evident.
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sorry, Brucie, you will just need to grow up and face that fact that TheWho is gone. you are chasing a ghost.
Really? Looks like Robert caught that "ghost" afterall, eh? (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=335674#p335680)
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Ya know have your fun and all , but if my full name is revealed and posted on the open forum there will be a lawsuit. I dont think there would be any question about that!
I always wondered who wrote this post. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&start=4020#p335854) It was put up right after the first name "Peter" of "Peter Dunbar" was mentioned. And "Ellen" as well.
Then as soon as the kids' initials are posted, Whooter comes back again telling the poster to lawyer up.
Yeah, he's above his pay grade here. Since he got demoted at work, he's way above his pay grade.
Here's something funny, though. I think there is another poster who also knows 'who' TheWho is as well. What else can you add, 'The King,' to bring to light more about Whootie pie?
I know everything right down to his address, employer, job title, work phone, home phone, wife's name (and maiden name), "the family business" and lots more.
What about you, 'King'? I think you may be the person that told us originally that Whooter doesn't have a daughter at all and used to have two sons. Any ideas there? I can verify that he did, for sure, have two sons until at least 2004, but can't say for sure what happened to the younger of the "MD"'s after 2004.
Before you push this any further I think you should talk to a lawyer. for your own good.
Then Whooter tries to throw everyone off the trail by posting the Dunbar name himself.
Donald M. Dunbar
Donald Dunbar founded Dunbar Educational Consultants in 1984.
Edcon, go figure
His career in education spans more than 30 years, having served as teacher
Explains his matrix comparing programs to regular schools
, chaplain,
Why are all these guys chaplains?
coach,
Another gym teacher... hey Vause do you know this guy?
guidance counsellor
Explains his edcon training
and admissions consultant at a number of schools, including St. Paul’s School in New Hampshire, Institut Le Rosey in Switzerland,
Ended up helping the industry and supplying statistics.
Brent School in the Philippines,
Remember him laughing at the kid in duct tape and the typhoon. Thats where he got it from.
the Weston, Massachusetts public schools and Phillips Academy, Andover in Massachusetts.
Yep, his ip points to Newton/Weston Massachusetts and his time teaching public school also ties into his use of the matrix comparing public school deaths to programs deaths.
Don earned his Bachelor’s Degree from Colby College and Master’s Degrees in Literature from Wesleyan University, Theology from the Episcopal Divinity School at Harvard and Education from Boston College.
All those nauseating Harvard analogies.
But it's too late and Elvis has already tipped the scales. Whooter is John D. Reuben after all. Sweet.
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John Reuben posted 4/26/04 5:01 PM
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I just enrolled my son there and am interested in contacting any other parents who have children there or have had kids there. Have heard good and bad but was very impressed when I went down there. My son had not thrived either at home or in a normal boarding school environment.
This sure sounds a lot like Whooter. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=3368&p=57497&hilit=john+d.+reuben#p57497) With the "thriving" and all.
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I always wondered who wrote this post.[/url] It was put up right after the first name "Peter" of "Peter Dunbar" was mentioned. And "Ellen" as well.
Then as soon as the kids' initials are posted, Whooter comes back again telling the poster to lawyer up.
Yeah, I noticed that too going back thru the thread. Interesting.
Whooter is John D. Reuben after all. Sweet.
It's pretty sad. Seriously.....how much worse can you get than a father who sent his kid away, twice (I think) only to have the poor kid kill himself and then Daddy Dear shill for the very same programs that (I believe) did more damage to the child? At the very least, Aspen sure didn't help the poor kid. Wow. [shaking my head and walking away in stunned silence]
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Here is TheWho lamenting about being banned while he posts anon.
Well. If you can get permisssion from the who to make ALL his postings available to the public, then we might be able to work something out. If TheWho truly wants the truth to be known, fine by me.
He was NOT banned for what he did in a few minutes, either. I don't know who you are getting your information from.
As for labeling a FEW of his MANY posts with a cat in the hat, I agree with you that it was wrong. He should have just been banned and left it at that.
Hey. I don't like the idea of keeping all this secret either, but Ginger has a strict policy of not outing posts. If the Who waives that, in the interest of showing that he was not flooding the forum, fine, but he won't do it. Figure out for yourself why.
I am sure thewho would not object to his posts being made public. I will ask him and check in tomorrow.
I think this will take the focus off his posts being altered and deleted and place his anon posts, if he had then, under a microscope. But I believe he has nothing to hide if he is the same person on-line as he is off, he wont object.
::hatter::
What a douche.
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Guest wrote:
Remember when thewho claimed he was a program parent with a kid at Academy at Swift River?
He presented that identity for over 4 years, I think. I wonder if the people he issued referals to during that time know he is now impersonating a 20 yr old by inventing a similar user name with a - at the end of it, or trying to convince go knows who that he is actually Robert Bruce through anonymous postings... when he's not denying that he's Peter Dunbar.
It's a little weird. Sure, you know he was never just what he pretended to be, but him dropping the pretense altogether and displaying full-out psychotic, observably dishonest, straight ahead trolling? More than a little disturbing.
This why we have to get this guy. He is a sicko. Once he is confronted he will be silenced forever and wont post here. We have seen this in the past remember Ottawa5? I think. The only thing I really want to do is deliver a letter to his living son explaining how screwed up his dad is and how screwed up his mom and whole family is. I want to do this in person so I can see the look on his kids face when he reads it. He is definitely a loser himself following in the footsteps of TheWho and never bothered to help out his own brother who is dead.
If we get this kids address I want it before we post his photo and information publically for all to see. This is the best week of my life!! Funny how he hasnt denied any of this.
How are we doing on linking up all his posts? Lets get moving!!
Oh we did great. How does it feel, Whooter, to be exposed as one of the biggest liars anyone has ever seen?
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Hre's the one Whooter never wanted discovered. His daughter DID stop talking to him for two years and it has been uncovered courtesy of Anne Bonney. After Deb posted it, Whooter went back and altered it. Check it out:
Posted by Deborah » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:33 pm
Who,
Did you participate in the survey?
Is your daughter considered on of Aspen's successes?
No I dont think so. I filled out a follow-up of some sort but it was short, not much feedback was asked for, so I dont think it was a survey.
I dont know if she is considered one of their successes or not. We had a show contact us and asked if we would be interested in being interviewed. But we didnt do it.
Oh that's right. She was in the 98% who fail, and go back to drugs, then moved away and didn't speak to you for two years.
But, hey, she did catch up academically, which please you, but then never went to college.
That does sound like the typical success story.
Hmm... not sure where that is coming from or means. I think that you asked me if I filled out a survey or not. Guess I should have stuck to "No"
Mmmm. Got it from you
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ter#163947 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=163947&highlight=daughter#163947)
But anyway my daughter would fall into your 98% who go back to drugs (statistically) but long term the kids that finish at ASR do much better. Academically she was way ahead when she returned
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... &start=435 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=daughter&start=435)
There basically isnt any and she regressed like a slingshot as soon as she got home and wanted to experience everything she missed. I.e. smoked cigarettes, smoked pot., drank, stay out late etc. but after a few weeks she realized there were things she wanted to do with her life and started to move on. She still drinks and smokes pot etc, but in moderation.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ter#160456 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=160456&highlight=daughter#160456)
Exactly what happened. My daughter moved to NYC and I only heard from her once in 2 years, still never went to school.
Then Whooter circled back and changed it to say how great their communication was.
On 2006-01-01 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"not if they are living in YOUR house without paying rent, bills....If you don't want to follow the rules, get a job, get your own place, fix your own meals, figure out your own transportation, have your own life. And finally be happy following your own rules."
My daughter came home and had a difficult transition. She initially went back with her old friends but eventually got bored with them and moved on. I was worried for awhile but we communicated with each other and new she was in a good space.
Last edited by TheWho on Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
There you have it. PROOF POSITIVE that Whooter has been lying all along about his daughter's "success" at Aspen. Must be that fiduciary interest driving his congenital lying.
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Ha,Ha,Ha But what you wrote and what the link says are 2 different things, DJ.
You try to cover yourself with this manifesto, DJ. If you had a post that stated my daughter didnt speak to me for 2 years you would have just posted the link.
But it doesnt exist, we both know that, Sorry, DJ. You actually helped validate that what I was saying was true. you are the only one who has gone through all my posts... thanks you.
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Ha,Ha,Ha But what you wrote and what the link says are 2 different things, DJ.
You try to cover yourself with this manifesto, DJ. If you had a post that stated my daughter didnt speak to me for 2 years you would have just posted the link.
But it doesnt exist, we both know that, Sorry, DJ. You actually helped validate that what I was saying was true. you are the only one who has gone through all my posts... thanks you.
I remember that post (it was way back before he sold his account and couldn't change what he actually wrote) and IIRC, you edited it because it didn't serve your cause here.
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Peg Sympson and Jake Rios are yours, Whooter. i just coopted them mid-stream so you couldn't continue to troll with them. The rest are not me.
The fact remains that you three dozen of aliases in just a two and a half months and after a week of researching my posts you came up with only two I used (just to take them from you since you were already trolling with them) in over five years.
You have been a busy, busy troll.
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Peg Sympson and Jake Rios are yours, Whooter. i just coopted them mid-stream so you couldn't continue to troll with them. The rest are not me.
The fact remains that you three dozen of aliases in just a two and a half months and after a week of researching my posts you came up with only two I used (just to take them from you since you were already trolling with them) in over five years.
You have been a busy, busy troll.
Nice try, but when we strung all your posts together,DJ, we found you had 3,500 guest posts. The Bill Urban and Jake Rios were just a couple of many aliases that you used to troll me over the years. I found a half dozen or more aliases in just 4 or 5 threads, so we can conclude you had dozens more based on the number of guest posts.
But I dont need to go thru them all I just wanted to show that you did use aliases and posted frequently without logging in.
I documented a couple of your more interesting and/or colorful posts here:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31023)
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As you know already, that's false, as verified by Psy.
Anyway, here are a couple of yours to ruminate upon. I was especially shocked at how you throw around the term "child molester" when you get frustrated that you can't win an argument in a legitimate fashion. Very nasty stuff there, Whooter. Very nasty.
Link to where TheWho admits he is john Reuben (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&hilit=where+he+wanted+to+punch+you+out&start=135#p336867)
John must be too busy enSlavingTeens right now to answer.
Yes, he takes gubmint dollars (your tax dollars) and uses them to imprison youths privately at various quack-holes.
Why is that a crime? They use tax dollars for far worse things than imprisoning youths. At least they are kept safe here. Imagine if they were shipped overseas with private funding where people hate Americans. You would see abuse on a whole new level. All my work stays within the confines of the US borders... no 2nd rate programs.
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Here Whooter confirms his son went to his wife’s funeral. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&hilit=max+went+to+the+funeral&start=180#p338442)
John, why do you send kids to places like HLA where your own child was prevented from visiting his dying mom and not allowed to go to the funeral either? Why should anyone trust you? Please explain yourself.
I would really like to hear this answer.
It says it right here. And many other places.
I did read that one. But how do we know he wasnt allowed to attend the funeral?
Max went to the funeral, no need to worry. They are just trying to make programs look bad. Keep in mind you are on fornits.
How would Whooter know this? Unless, of course, as he previously admitted, he is the kid’s dad.
Here Whooter, posting anonymously until his posts were linked, accuses Ajax13 of being a porn-watching child abuser. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27219&start=105#p344359)
JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide. Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital. The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits. ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past. Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention. I don't have any questions for Dean Vause. He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction". I am not interested in hearing what he has to say. AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead. Pick up that phone and call the live one.
Thank you for updating us. Of course you have no facts as usual to back up what you say and that is why I am here to point these problems out.
anyone can come on here and say "So and so has been pretending to be a doctor for 20 years!!" , "His wife is overweight". The president of Honda motor corp could have weight issues but that doesnt relect on the quality of the automobiles... but you don see that. He may not even have a drivers license. You just dont know how to debate the issues with relevant facts. As long as AARC is effectively treating people and they have an 85% success rate who cares how much people weigh or what their degree is in.
Now go spend some time with your kid. Turn off the porn and let him have a normal childhood for a change. If you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.
And JD, if you are listening, go call your son.
Here Whooter says Ajax13 is molesting his won son. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27219&start=75#p344212) Whooter is obviously a sick freak doing a lot of projection.
JD, since you killed your son, you can't have contact with him at all, moderated or not. Your mania, stupidity, ignorance and laziness seem to be in an epic battle for dominance. Who will win JD? Will your next post be shameful because it's rooted in stupidity, ignorance, laziness or your inability to think rationally when your compulsions are driving you?
why are you obsessed with this JD guy? It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night. We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.
You are sick Ajax13. Stop molesting and abusing your son. Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family. Its only a forum. Leave your kid in peace.
here Whooter invalidates all who were abused at RTC’s. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24456&hilit=devon&start=15#p301094)
How would you know what a parent thinks, Who? You threw your daughter away to ASR, so you don't have the right to call yourself that anymore, and your continued use of the word is a heavy insult to the real parents reading this forum.
Kinda like the rest of you calling yourself survivors. Surviving what? A cush stay at RTC? Its an insult to people who actually survived something.
Family member Harvard Fellow and EdCon??
You seem to have an explanation for everything.
Hey, not very nice
What is ASR?
Academy at Swift River
Suws is a short wildneress program right?
Yes
Did your daughter graduate?
Yes
Has she ever shared her negative experiences with you in detail?
Well, we have spoken about it quite a bit and she shares her experiences with me. I ask a lot of questions especially after what I have read about here on fornits. I ask her about counselors that she liked and ones she didn’t and why. Has she ever seen anyone severely punished or had food withheld, put into restraints or placed in isolation, forced to disrobe in front of the other students etc. and she looks at me like I have two heads. ASR wasn’t anything even close to what people on here talk about. She enjoys talking about and wonders how some of her friends would have turned out if they had gone there also.
Did you use an educational consultant?
No, I have a family member who specializes in child psychology and children’s issues, is a fellow at Harvard University and he recommended ASR.
Have you made a list of good schools?
No I haven’t
What do you think differentiates the good from the bad?
Wow, I am really not qualified to speak technically about the differences. But I would say the model the school employs. If the school is taking a clinical approach, is listening to the feedback from the graduates and parents and are willing to adjust their rules and make changes based on parental feedback and to continuously evolve then this would be a school I would want to send my child to and would recommend to others.
I would not recommend a school who had guards who beat the kids, placed kids in restraints, forced them to walk around naked, with held food etc. I would not consider these at all for anyone. These schools are a good candidate for regulation.
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In this installment Whooter is back to accusing Ajax13 of sexually abusing his own child. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25628&start=30#p345022) Keep it classy, Whooter.
If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy. There are thousands of them. I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC. The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually. At least mine has some credibility.
As Whooter continues to lose the argument, he continues to post over and over that Ajax13 sexually abuses his own child, even “QFTing” himself saying it, all anonymously, of course.
Here Whooter is posing as an Aspen Ranch “graduate” (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&p=344859#p344859) and telling people not to tell him he’s lying. Well, I guess that makes it believable then? Fail, Whooter. Fail.
I just recently left Aspen Ranch (during the July parent week), graduating as a Rider. I was there for over 16 months! The substance abuse counselor was my primary therapist! I had a lot of problems going there, personal as well as a fucked up family. I've now ben home for 3 months and am doing great. I haven't relapsed or really even considered it.
Aspen was a great place! We didn't get pizza from the local place once a week, but we did get it on parent week and for special occasions. The food wasn't great but it was certainly bearable (and I'm picky!). The staff was AWESOME (most anyways), they were very caring and devoted. There have been MANY changes in staff and rules in the past 6 months there as well, so check it out! Sure I had my rough times, everyone does! I would defenitely recommend it if you're kids having a rough time, but be sure to check it out before to see if you think your kid would be a good fit.
And to whoever posted about seeing kids doing pull-ups with a man with a radio....he was the personal trainer! I was in Personal Training for over a year there and it helped a lot! I've never heard a complaint about PT, kids can sign up for an extra fee through a past navy seal who really pushes you hard! And there's a LONG waiting list.
Thanks, and please no one tell me I'm lying....when I left I was 2nd in seniority out of everyone there at the time! And to those parents who have kids there now...I wouldn't doubt if I knew them!
And a bit later in the thread Whooter poses as a parent with a kid at Aspen Ranch while singing its praises. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&start=120#p344901)
the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.
A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.
I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.
And after he’s called out by another poster he bashes them for calling his phony story “fictitious” which it was, 100% ficticious. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&start=120#p344907)
the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.
A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.
I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.
John Reuben keep your fictitious "accounts" coming.
So fornits has finally reached the point where parents and survivors stories which are not negative are just tossed aside as fictitious. "Lets tighten things up and only allow the battered few thru the door!!!" Ha,Ha,Ha Finally got you to admit it...... its a good first step.
And he goes on further to suggest 99% of survivor stories are fictitious, right after he’s caught phonying up a “success story.” (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12902&start=135#p344917) You can’t make it up, folks.
It is a good first step that you're finally able to acknowledge those who were battered. The next would be for you to comprehend that that number is far more than a few.
Helpful to that end would be you’re considering the various kinds of injuries caused to children in programs.
Not all are as physical violence. Assaults like rape and battery do happen in programs, as well as imposed stress positions, prolonged physically exhausting exertions (death marches for some) and inadequate or even no proper medical care.
In addition to these injurious violations of children the damages accrued from dehumanizing humiliations and infliction of emotional abuse and destructive thought reform tactics are very real, very pervasive in the TTI, and completely unnecessary to extending guidance to children.
99% of those accounts are fictitious. We all know that the kids are helped at these places.... kids here post to blow off steam, its healthy for them but dont rely on the accuracy of the posts.
Here Whooter admits he sent a son, not a daughter, to a wilderness program. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28642&p=344767#p344767)
Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.
Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here. The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.
Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.
Whooter admits starting a program referral business while responding to the name “John.” (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=348838#p348838)
"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."
John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem. Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem? Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place? Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?
John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"? I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."
This marketing spin makes me nauseous. We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John. I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line. You disgust me, sir.
Of course you are nauseous. That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture. You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people. People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe. Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives. But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path. The parents should have been more involved all along. So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem. This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:
1. It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2. You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.
You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking. This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people. Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good. I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation. It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.
As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash. By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge". Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.
And he admits that programs aren’t scientifically proven, despite his logged protestations to the contrary.
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Wow!! (can you spell obsessed?) DJ, that is alot to read but we all can get the gist that we were having fun. Remember when you use to log in as a woman or guy in distress and tell the readers that your son was being abused. Ha,Ha,Ha that was funny. You had us all going for pages.
Here is one of the many posts, (we can see you have been cleaning up your past a bit since we strung your posts together)... why all the edited posts if you were being honest with the readers? lol.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=348270#p348270)
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What drives a man like this to spend years trying to discredit other people he doesn’t know on a forum ?
W - Isn't this a pot calling kettle black situation?
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Watch out, samara. Whooter is claiming to know your identity and we all know what happenes when he gets hold of one, especuially one of an abused child. He posts your personal information on Fornits including your picture and Facebook page like he did to this kid:
Here we have Whooter "outing" a program kid, posting his name, picture and Facebook account. I thought Whooter was "against" this type of behavior? I guess not.
Can we get a photo of Peter Dunbar up? Thanks
Mike Dunbar (http://http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Dunbar/500743425)
That is pretty fucked up.
Yes, it is. It's really fucked up. And Whooter did it with glee. He has contempt for abused kids and "outs" them here regularly, including their personal information, pictures and social networking accounts.
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Found it. Thanks.
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Whooter, why are you avoiding what you did to this kid? We'd all like an explanation about why you always say you "would never put a person's personal info out there, especially a kid" but when you think you're anonymous, you do exactly that. Why did you post this kid's full name, picture and Facebook page, Whooter?
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Look, DJ, I am not going to respond to you until you clear up the PM issue.
After you agree to let Psy verify your claims that I sent you 100's of PM's a day and also verify the screen shot that you falsified showing I sent you all those PM's on Sept 8 2010 then we can move forward with other topics. This will also allow you to settle the Mitt Romney post also.
Give it some thought. Until then you are free to post in here 'til your hearts content. I will check in from time to time to see if you decide to let the Admin settle it.
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Whooter, why are you avoiding what you did to this kid? We'd all like an explanation about why you always say you "would never put a person's personal info out there, especially a kid" but when you think you're anonymous, you do exactly that. Why did you post this kid's full name, picture and Facebook page, Whooter?
Why so silent on this embarassing topic I wonder? Not so proud after getting caught posting this kid's private information I guess.
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I'm a little confused. I thought RobertBruce didn't agree with the Who's stance on programs? I thought it was the same for Ajax13.
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That's true. And when they didn't, Whooter registered "lookalike" accounts for both of them to use while trolling. He used those accounts to say outrageous and nasty things to get those statements blamed on RB and ajax13. But when his posts were linked up they were tagged with his "Whooter" or "TheWho" usernames, depending upon when he created them and changed his own username.
Look closely at the "lookalikes." "RobertBruce" is RB's legitimate name for which Whooter created several dopplegangers. "ajax13" is ajax's legitimate username and Whooter created "Ajax13." (period at the end like he did with RB's) to troll with.
If Whooter loses arguments to you he creates logins that look like yours and tries to "assume your identity." He has done this to many posters. There was an anti-program poster called "aghast" whose commentary Whooter didn't like so he created and registered "aghast." and assumed her identity. This is how he behaves.
Did you see the "Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies" thread today? Whooter has been definitively identified as John Reuben. And now that we know that it is indeed him, the depth of his sickness is also revealed.
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I'm a little confused. I thought RobertBruce didn't agree with the Who's stance on programs? I thought it was the same for Ajax13.
I am in a state of constant confusion about the DJ/TC and Whooter dialog.
I just want everyone to stop talking about fathers and dead sons in a disparaging way.
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Let me clear it up for you:
Whooter = John Reuben
Whooter has over 50 (fifty) aliases he has used to troll on Fornits.
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That's true. And when they didn't, Whooter registered "lookalike" accounts for both of them to use while trolling. He used those accounts to say outrageous and nasty things to get those statements blamed on RB and ajax13. But when his posts were linked up they were tagged with his "Whooter" or "TheWho" usernames, depending upon when he created them and changed his own username.
Look closely at the "lookalikes." "RobertBruce" is RB's legitimate name for which Whooter created several dopplegangers. "ajax13" is ajax's legitimate username and Whooter created "Ajax13." (period at the end like he did with RB's) to troll with.
If Whooter loses arguments to you he creates logins that look like yours and tries to "assume your identity." He has done this to many posters. There was an anti-program poster called "aghast" whose commentary Whooter didn't like so he created and registered "aghast." and assumed her identity. This is how he behaves.
Did you see the "Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies" thread today? Whooter has been definitively identified as John Reuben. And now that we know that it is indeed him, the depth of his sickness is also revealed.
OK. Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So you have identified your man. Are you elated, feel a sense of accomplishment, want to go run 5 miles with a banner.
In the big scheme of things to be dealt with on this site, what difference does it make, really. Their is maybe 10 people on this site who really give a hoot about this topic. I am not trying to minimize 10 peoples experience with whooter and what that entails. All I am saying is in the big picture most of us don't know, it does not effect us in any way nor do we care.
The only thing you have accomplished as far as I'm concerned is shown people who come here how biased, bigoted and downright crazy, you all can be.
DJ, your no better then Whooter even though you scream you are, I am not hearing or seeing it.
Whooter will continue to be here after this day and you have not made that change in any way. So what is this all been about. EGO"S
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Well, to be honest, Danny, I don't care who Whooter's real identity is.
But it does bother me that he impersonates other people that already have a user name and a perspective. That's not right. It is part of the reason Fornits lacks the sincerity it used to have several years ago.
I don't understand when anyone responds to their own posts as a different person (unless the joke is obvious) to bolster their perspective. Even though this is cyberspace, to me it's indicative of a total lack of integrity. Bad programs are no joke to me. I know I've said I need to get over Fornits circa 2000-2005ish, and realize it's pretty much a crippled version of its former self, but I mourn its loss.
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No, Danny, you're wrong. It's about a guy who is a basic sociopath, Whooter, who has been posing as all sorts of people over the years here in an attempt to recruit parents into programs and to minimize damage caused by people posting their experiences here.
Whooter is a liar. A dishonest con man who lied about everything here, even the fact that he doesn't even have a daughter at all. He used his son's obit as a marketing tool. He tried to invalidate the experiences and words of kids who were abused at the very facilities to which he refers.
Look, Danny, Whooter is scum. It's better that people know this up front so they can decide for themselves how to deal with him.
You're entitled to your opinions and I'm not trying to take that away from you or minimize them. Whatever you think is fine. But it is curious, to me anyway, that you now know the sham and scam Whooter is and you only have commentary about me. I'm not the one who has kids abused for fun and profit. Whooter is. If you care about the welfare of children, you do what's necessary to protect them. Here is a guy who locked up both of his sons in two of the most abusive facilities going and did his dead-level best to clean up their images and get more heads in their beds. When his kid ODed, he used the poor kid's obit as a donation portal to send more kids to the same fate.
Dude, I get it. You don't like me and you don't like what I did to expose Whooter. But, as I have told you before, if I allowed even one kid to be abused because of this scum's referral or sales pitch without doing all I could to stop it, I would never forgive myself. I would feel complicit in that child's abuse. That's why I did it. If you don't agree, fine. But just out of honesty and integrity you should stop supporting the guy who is both directly and indirectly responsible for child abuse.
That's all I have to say about it. If you ever have questions about my motives again, please just come back here and re-read this missive. I feel no need to continue to repeat it.
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DRAMA DRAMA ALWAYS DRAMA
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Wow you can always count on some drama when you come in here.
Speaking of:
Ahem.....
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=376288#p376288
Just to keep it in perspective, DJ posed as parents, he posted as survivors he posted as the sons of John Reuben and several other characters including "thewho". He posted 3,500 guest posts of disgusting stuff and claimed he always logged in. There are hundreds of posts just like the one above. I am just not obsessed enough to go back and look at all 7,500 posts. It really doesnt do anything for me to keep searching and posting them. If people are interested they can look for themselves.
I do enjoy reading all the old posts from those flame wars though. Keep 'em coming. It would be helpful to provide links, though.
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Ha,Ha,Ha "Oh, look how bad he is"!!! lol
(http://http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/files/original/Pot-calling-the-kettle-black-734818.jpg)
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Funny. I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before. I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post. But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...
Live Music Junky
...on John Reuben's MySpace page.
Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.
"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?
I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced." Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."
Children: I don't want kids
Yeah, no shit. I think we knew that already.
Hometown: Philadelphia
"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?
I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.
I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.
He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.
Malden, eh? I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address? "Swampscott, MA."
Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?
Catherine Reuben! (http://http://maps.google.com/maps/place?rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=SWAMPSCOTT+%22reuben%22&fb=1&gl=us&hq=reuben&hnear=Swampscott,+MA&cid=526551623140969011)
Just "coincidences" I suppose...?
Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.
Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...
It has been fun, douche, but the game is over. You've been outed for all eternity.
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These posts of his are showing self loathing. They are such a call out for help. “I did the same thing but Whooter is Scum! You have to believe me, please. I did it for different reasons” lol………
Just from following DJ’s own links where he called me out I found him to be posting under the following names:
Mark Guy
Concerned parent
John Reuben
Casual observer
Elvis
Bill Urban
My two sons
Jake Rios
Peg Sympsom
TheWho
James Drilding
Mark Degroot
Pretending to be a girl
Pretending to be a parent
Pretending to be a survivor
Plenty of very disturbing language.
(http://http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/files/original/Pot-calling-the-kettle-black-734818.jpg)
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Funny. I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before. I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post. But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...
Live Music Junky
...on John Reuben's MySpace page.
Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.
"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?
I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced." Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."
Children: I don't want kids
Yeah, no shit. I think we knew that already.
Hometown: Philadelphia
"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?
I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.
I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.
He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.
Malden, eh? I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?
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IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address? "Swampscott, MA."
Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?
Catherine Reuben! (http://http://maps.google.com/maps/place?rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=SWAMPSCOTT+%22reuben%22&fb=1&gl=us&hq=reuben&hnear=Swampscott,+MA&cid=526551623140969011)
Just "coincidences" I suppose...?
Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.
Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...
It has been fun, douche, but the game is over. You've been outed for all eternity.
And I just called you out for the final time. You are John Reuben. And you are a sociopath, my friend.
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And I just called you out for the final time. You are John Reuben. And I am a sociopath, my friend.
Whewww!!! fixed it for you. Glad you finally admitted it. lol.
(http://http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/files/original/Pot-calling-the-kettle-black-734818.jpg)
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"The last refuge of the guilty is denial..."
Too bad. You lose. Jig's up.
when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral? Was he forced to go?
3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.
Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.
Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information. We're all ears.
Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:
Prior to ASR the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him. As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path. He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales. He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can. The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.
How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?
Whooter = John Reuben
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whoops!.... did you forget this one?
Man, TheWho is really pushing the gay slurs, but also letting us know he fantasies of being gay. He seems very conflicted over his sexuality. On one hand he deameans the idea of homosexuality and on the other he puts out there his desire for anal sex with people (and dogs) and to lick boys' bottoms. How very weird. No wonder his kid was so screwed up and his wife left him flat!
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=335422#p335422)
I dont particularly find this funny, I dont know why but it has become clear that DJ has a penchant for this type of post. There are many of them throughout the database. Some of these just appear in the middle of a conversation. This one continues to the next post. pretending to me me. DJ was writing under the alias of"John T." if I remember correctly.
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That was just a response to this post by Whooter:
My name is Robert Bruce. I work as a gay escort and will cram my tongue in your tight little ass.
Whooter has many gay fantasies it appears and my comment about his post was accurate.
Anyway... This is the important topic being discussed:
Whooter has told on himself.
when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral? Was he forced to go?
3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.
Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.
Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information. We're all ears.
Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:
Prior to ASR the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him. As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path. He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales. He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can. The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.
How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?
Hmmmm..... Getting more interesting as we go...
Funny. I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before. I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post. But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...
Live Music Junky
...on John Reuben's MySpace page.
Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.
"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?
I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced." Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."
Children: I don't want kids
Yeah, no shit. I think we knew that already.
Hometown: Philadelphia
"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?
I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.
I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.
He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.
Malden, eh? I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?
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IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address? "Swampscott, MA."
Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?
Catherine Reuben! (http://http://maps.google.com/maps/place?rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=SWAMPSCOTT+%22reuben%22&fb=1&gl=us&hq=reuben&hnear=Swampscott,+MA&cid=526551623140969011)
Just "coincidences" I suppose...?
Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.
Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...
It has been fun, douche, but the game is over. You've been outed for all eternity.
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That was just a response to this post by Whooter:
My name is Robert Bruce. I work as a gay escort and will cram my tongue in your tight little ass.
You are falling apart, DJ, and have resorted to making up posts. Whats wrong? Run out of Ruben/Whooter posts? lol
You just proved my point when you are upset you write stuff like you just did above. Anyone can do a search under my name to see that I didnt write that.
Look, DJ, I am sorry I tricked you into having all your posts strung together. You wrote that stuff and there is no getting around it. I exposed this side of you and also exposed that fact that you fabricated all your education. I was going to suggest that you shed the Dysfunction Junction name after being exposed. But you saw this yourself and I think that was a good move on your part.
On a more sober note: As dysfunction Junction you were always touting all these degrees in an effort to make yourself seem important. If education is so important to you then why dont you do it for real? Start going nights while your kid is still young. It would help you and set a good example for your son.
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Like I said, the linked posts don't show up under a search, but you sure as hell wrote that post and edited it after you were exposed. Just because you're embarassed of your own behavior doesn't mean you should be attacking other people for your mistakes. And I don't even have a son. That was something you made up in one of the phony posts you made trying to assign them to me, remember? You're too dumb even to get the details right.
Besides, the little game we played is over. And you lost.
Whooter has told on himself.
when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral? Was he forced to go?
3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.
Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.
Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information. We're all ears.
Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:
Prior to ASR the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him. As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path. He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales. He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can. The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.
How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?
Hmmmm..... Getting more interesting as we go...
Funny. I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before. I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post. But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...
Live Music Junky
...on John Reuben's MySpace page.
Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.
"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?
I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced." Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."
Children: I don't want kids
Yeah, no shit. I think we knew that already.
Hometown: Philadelphia
"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?
I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.
I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.
He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.
Malden, eh? I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?
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IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address? "Swampscott, MA."
Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?
Catherine Reuben! (http://http://maps.google.com/maps/place?rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=SWAMPSCOTT+%22reuben%22&fb=1&gl=us&hq=reuben&hnear=Swampscott,+MA&cid=526551623140969011)
Just "coincidences" I suppose...?
Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.
Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...
It has been fun, douche, but the game is over. You've been outed for all eternity.
I hope RB is bust sending this to all of your colleagues explaining your little fetishes, drug use and dealing. You are an embarassment to your family, Whooter. Sorry it had to come out this way, but someone had to hold your feet to the fire and make you tell the truth about yourself.
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Like I said, the linked posts don't show up under a search......
Of course they do, DJ, "its a data base". lol, The search function works throughout. You are just not using it properly.
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No, those posts do not show in searches under your username. Sorry, but they don't. But I did quote it when it was linked up and then it was disappeared by you, like all of the other things you don't want people to know (such as your admission your kid moved away and stopped speaking to you for two years, well known by all regular posters, quoted by Deb and deleted by you over a year after the fact).
But don't worry about me. I'm fine and dandy just as it is.
You, OTOH, have a lot of squirming to do to try to convince people that all of the info I found on you is simple coincidence. Nobody believes it and your denials fail. It's proven beyond reasonable doubt I'm afraid.
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No, those posts do not show in searches under your username. Sorry, but they don't. But I did quote it when it was linked up and then it was disappeared by you, like all of the other things you don't want people to know (such as your admission your kid moved away and stopped speaking to you for two years, well known by all regular posters, quoted by Deb and deleted by you over a year after the fact).
But don't worry about me. I'm fine and dandy just as it is.
You, OTOH, have a lot of squirming to do to try to convince people that all of the info I found on you is simple coincidence. Nobody believes it and your denials fail. It's proven beyond reasonable doubt I'm afraid.
You claim to be Microsoft certified yet you don't have a basic understanding of how the database works or the search function. I just tried it and it works fine.
if you use the advanced function you can choose to leave the user-name in or take it out etc. (many options). So try it both ways and you will see it is working fine.
No more excuses for all those lies you spread. You cant blame it on fornits or edited posts (because I dont have edit control), or the boogie man, DJ.
If you are still having trouble with the search engine I will walk you through it or you can ask psy to help you. But until you learn how to search and link to sources not many people are going to believe you.
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Whooter, Froderik misses you in the other threads...
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Look what I found by searching the database:
Whooter has told on himself.
when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral? Was he forced to go?
3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.
Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.
Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information. We're all ears.
Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:
Prior to ASR the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him. As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path. He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales. He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can. The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.
How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?
Hmmmm..... Getting more interesting as we go...
Funny. I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before. I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post. But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...
Live Music Junky
...on John Reuben's MySpace page.
Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.
"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?
I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced." Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."
Children: I don't want kids
Yeah, no shit. I think we knew that already.
Hometown: Philadelphia
"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?
I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.
I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.
He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.
Malden, eh? I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address? "Swampscott, MA."
Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?
Catherine Reuben! (http://http://maps.google.com/maps/place?rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=SWAMPSCOTT+%22reuben%22&fb=1&gl=us&hq=reuben&hnear=Swampscott,+MA&cid=526551623140969011)
Just "coincidences" I suppose...?
Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.
Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...
It has been fun, douche, but the game is over. You've been outed for all eternity.
I hope RB is bust sending this to all of your colleagues explaining your little fetishes, drug use and dealing. You are an embarassment to your family, Whooter. Sorry it had to come out this way, but someone had to hold your feet to the fire and make you tell the truth about yourself.
It's a shame you did this to your kids and then spent five years here denying you did it. You must have a lot of guilt to carry around with you.
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Well (just for grins) lets see. Lets look around. lol The only one left standing is "Whooter". Yeah!!!! Our friend "Dysfunction Junction" slinked back into the darkness, from where he came, after I reveled his dirty little postings and debunked his fabricated education.
I can still hear him now "But I never posted under anyone's name except my Dysfunction Junction account. I swear, all those posts are Whooters fault or no wait they must be my wifes'"....... and then as he takes his last breath and fades into the darkness.... "Whooter made me write those disgusting posts and all those advanced degrees are really mine. I earned them. I was just correcting some spelling from 5 years ago, thats all, you need to believe me".
Has anyone seen Dysfunction Junction since we exposed him?
Ha,Ha,Ha,
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We've seen this that you're carefully avoiding. "Who" has been exposed, now? Tough luck, Charlie.
Look what I found by searching the database:
Whooter has told on himself.
when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral? Was he forced to go?
3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.
Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.
Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information. We're all ears.
Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:
Prior to ASR the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him. As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path. He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales. He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can. The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.
How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?
Hmmmm..... Getting more interesting as we go...
Funny. I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before. I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post. But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...
Live Music Junky
...on John Reuben's MySpace page.
Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.
"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?
I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced." Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."
Children: I don't want kids
Yeah, no shit. I think we knew that already.
Hometown: Philadelphia
"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?
I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.
I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.
He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.
Malden, eh? I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter. It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.
And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address? "Swampscott, MA."
Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?
Catherine Reuben! (http://http://maps.google.com/maps/place?rlz=1T4GGLG_enUS312US312&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=SWAMPSCOTT+%22reuben%22&fb=1&gl=us&hq=reuben&hnear=Swampscott,+MA&cid=526551623140969011)
Just "coincidences" I suppose...?
Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.
Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...
It has been fun, douche, but the game is over. You've been outed for all eternity.
I hope RB is bust sending this to all of your colleagues explaining your little fetishes, drug use and dealing. You are an embarassment to your family, Whooter. Sorry it had to come out this way, but someone had to hold your feet to the fire and make you tell the truth about yourself.
It's a shame you did this to your kids and then spent five years here denying you did it. You must have a lot of guilt to carry around with you.
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Yes, Whooter he's still here. I guess this is why you always assumed every guest who hurt your feelings or proved you wrong was me. You can't tell similarities in writting styles.
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I can still hear him now "But I never posted under anyone's name except my Dysfunction Junction account.
Not that you're really one to walk Whooter. All the times I accused you of guest posting so you could support yourself when no one else would. Turns out I was right.
Same way that I accused you of attacking yourself so you could claim people were attacking you for having a differing opinion. Turns out I was right there too.
Not to mention all the various guises/usernames you posted under, including all the times you attempted to impersonate me.
No, you really aren't one to talk at all.
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That's not what I said, either. I never said I didn't post anon. I think it's fair to say we all have done it. What I said was I only had one user account, a fact proven true.
Let's take a look at Mr. Whooter's (dragged from the shadows, lol) identities:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz
Heal Online
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
Talk about your schizoid personality disorders! A good DOZEN of these are Whooter's REGISTERTED ACCOUNTS. I had only one as the admins proved. Of course I was telling the truth. Whooter...not so much.
Yes, Robert, you're right, too. He created three separate logins to troll you with. I think he has a thing for you.
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I don't have the time to go through all this now. I've long suspected that Whooter is Reuben, but I don't have any solid proof. This comes pretty close, IMO. I've also said before that I believe that part of what drives him to post here, start STICC etc., is guilt. The guilt he will never admit to, but that he definitely feels, IMO. If he were to admit what Aspen truly is and what it truly does to kids, he'd have to accept that he paid strangers to hurt his own child and didn't do anything to 'save' him. That's a pretty hefty load to carry around and the best way for him to deal with it is to deny, deny, deny the abuses that occurred at Aspen and/or believe, believe, believe that it "helped" (even though it very clearly did not) and what he did was good, right and true. Then there's the money involved in his little "not for profit". I don't know why I was surprised when he said "Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good."
Either way, he's a shill.
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I don't have the time to go through all this now. I've long suspected that Whooter is Reuben, but I don't have any solid proof. This comes pretty close, IMO. I've also said before that I believe that part of what drives him to post here, start STICC etc., is guilt. The guilt he will never admit to, but that he definitely feels, IMO. If he were to admit what Aspen truly is and what it truly does to kids, he'd have to accept that he paid strangers to hurt his own child and didn't do anything to 'save' him. That's a pretty hefty load to carry around and the best way for him to deal with it is to deny, deny, deny the abuses that occurred at Aspen and/or believe, believe, believe that it "helped" (even though it very clearly did not) and what he did was good, right and true. Then there's the money involved in his little "not for profit". I don't know why I was surprised when he said "Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good."
Either way, he's a shill.
Consider for a minute that he started a nonprofit to raise awareness. He used his sons death as an example of what can happen to those kids who are sent to programs. He raises money to get the word out and help to educate families on the dangers of programs and their deceptive marketing practices. He would still be profiting but with a different message.
I don’t think you would judge him as harshly because you would agree with is point of view. Would you be as disgusted that he used his sons death? You are very closed minded Anne which obvious in the above post (you dont even realize it) and you struggle to see things from different perspectives. Anyone who disagrees with you on this industry is a shill or somehow evil.
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"The last refuge of the guilty is denial..."
Too bad. You lose. Jig's up.
when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral? Was he forced to go?
3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.
Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.
Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information. We're all ears.
Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:
Prior to ASR the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him. As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path. He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales. He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can. The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.
How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?
Whooter = John Reuben
Well, considering you are John Reuben and run a TTI referral service, I'd say it's fair to call you a shill.
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Consider for a minute that he started a nonprofit to raise awareness. He used his sons death as an example of what can happen to those kids who are sent to programs. He raises money to get the word out and help to educate families on the dangers of programs and their deceptive marketing practices. He would still be profiting but with a different message.
I don’t think you would judge him as harshly because you would agree with is point of view.
And you'd be wrong. Seriously wrong. I think it's horrible to profit from the death or pain of your own child. But that's just me. You, very obviously, feel differently. Example:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=348838&hilit=silver+lining#p348838 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=348838&hilit=silver+lining#p348838)
Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good. I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation. It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.
Would you be as disgusted that he used his sons death?
Yes I would.
You are very closed minded Anne which obvious in the above post (you dont even realize it) and you struggle to see things from different perspectives. Anyone who disagrees with you on this industry is a shill or somehow evil.
No, not everyone who disagrees with me about the TTI is a shill, but you sure are.
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You must live in a box, Anne, thousands of people are motivated or inspired by the death of a loved one and create foundations and non profits to help others. I have seen people walking for breast cancer to raise money to help others while wearing a picture of their mother or family member. I have seen groups of people carrying banners with photos of woman who have died of ovarian cancer and have created foundations to raise money so that others can get the help they need and to educate the public on this disease.
This is extremely common but maybe you don’t donate enough or care enough to see these groups that are in need and trying to spread the word about their causes.
Many hospitals, research facilities are named after people who have died. Their families donate money and raise money to continue the research so that others may live longer happier lives.
Instead of seeing these people as disgusting you should try to step back and see the good that they are doing. Maybe get involved yourself to help others. Many of the people who died were probably people who would want their death to be used to help others.
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I have seen a TTI referral agent pretending to be dozens upon dozens of other people relentlessly shilling for abusive programs on Fornits. That's a little different than a "cancer walk," IMHO.
Whooter is a shill piece/troll.
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You must live in a box, Anne, thousands of people are motivated or inspired by the death of a loved one and create foundations and non profits to help others. I have seen people walking for breast cancer to raise money to help others while wearing a picture of their mother or family member.
But not to line their own pockets.
I have seen groups of people carrying banners with photos of woman who have died of ovarian cancer and have created foundations to raise money so that others can get the help they need and to educate the public on this disease.
But not to line their own pockets.
This is extremely common but maybe you don’t donate enough or care enough to see these groups that are in need and trying to spread the word about their causes.
Many hospitals, research facilities are named after people who have died. Their families donate money and raise money to continue the research so that others may live longer happier lives.
Instead of seeing these people as disgusting you should try to step back and see the good that they are doing. Maybe get involved yourself to help others. Many of the people who died were probably people who would want their death to be used to help others.
Instead of conflating the issues, you should read what people actually write and respond to that instead of responding to what you've twisted their words into.
I think it's disgusting for a parent to pay themselves and line their own pockets by using the death of their own child as publicity for their business. Especially in the case of John Reuben. The places he (you?) shill for (Aspen Ed) are abusive, don't provide any treatment and obviously, at the very least, didn't help poor Michael and more than likely, contributed to his feelings of despair, IMO.
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Instead of conflating the issues, you should read what people actually write and respond to that instead of responding to what you've twisted their words into.
I think it's disgusting for a parent to pay themselves and line their own pockets by using the death of their own child as publicity for their business. Especially in the case of John Reuben. The places he (you?) shill for (Aspen Ed) are abusive, don't provide any treatment and obviously, at the very least, didn't help poor Michael and more than likely, contributed to his feelings of despair, IMO.
There was no mention of lining a persons pockets, Anne. These people raise money for cancer to raise awareness, to find a cure, to get kids help when they cant afford it. Like I said earlier it seems to be okay for you as long as it meets your agenda. People start non profits every day to help people just like John Reuben did and many times they are motivated by the death of a loved one. You just happen to not agree with his thinking so you are taking shots at him.
He and his family and friends know his children much better than you or I do and if they say they were helped by their time in a program then we should believe them. The childs death was not related to the program at all and occurred years after. There are thousands of other factors that could have contributed. You or I cannot sit here and determine that.
He saw first hand the success of ASR and HLA.
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I think it's disgusting for a parent to pay themselves and line their own pockets by using the death of their own child as publicity for their business.
Like these people? They put a picture of their dead child right on the web site.
Link (http://http://bunchfoundation.com/foundation.htm)
There are thousands of these foundations just like STICC and I think you are in the minority when you say people should not use a death in the family to raise awareness or help others.
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Back on topic, please...
This is the plain and simple statement, written by Whooter, that has set off this spate of trolling due to its reposting by me:
When is this supposed to take place?
Well the announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.
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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?
I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as Tipping
Whooter made this statement several years ago and subsequently auctioned off his account, rendering him unable to change this information he wants nobody to see. The fact is that he said it of his own volition and was bragging about it.
The problem is that if everyone knows about this fiduciary duty, Whooter feels like five years of his time here posing as "just a regular parent" have been wasted, and indeed they are.
When I started quoting this post and linking to it, Whooter got increasingly more upset and now spends all day every day being my personal troll in various guises: Whooter, SUCK IT, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, John McCain, et al.
My purpose in quoting this damning statement is twofold: one, it exposes Whooter for who and what he really is, a figure whose income is derived from Aspen Education; and two, to draw him out of his carefully crafted image to expose him for the desperate Aspen Education troll he is. Both objectives are complete.
Watch as Whooter logs in and out with his various sockpuppets, accusing me of abusing and raping children because he has been definitively linked to Aspen Education and its systemic abuse problems. It's interesting to note also that Whooter accuses me of the very things that Aspen Education programs have been being shut down for recently. He is simply trying to project qualities onto me that have been legally proven against Aspen Education.
Industry people always squeal the loudest when they've been stuck in the wallet. Look at this piggy squeal.
This is a desperate troll, folks. Whooter/SUCK IT/et al is an exemplar of the people to whom you might have entrusted your child's welfare at Aspen Education programs. If their marketing people behave this way, doesn't that provide a window into their corporate culture and strategy, as Ed Con Tom Croake recently exposed on his FamilyLights website? Even Ed Cons who make their living referring kids to Aspen are turning on it due to their recent spate of killings, abuse and neglect resulting in facility closures. This is how Aspen Education employees behave in public. Now just imagine how they behave in private, behind closed doors, alone with your child. Think about that for a while.
Caveat emptor, parents.