On 2004-09-16 16:36:00, Just Trying wrote:
Blame your parents if you have to blame someone, they sent you there. As long as parents continue to want to ship their kids away, places like CEDU will always exist.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry
If you think about why you hate me, you might find that it's not me.
--Antigen
...and in all indictments for libels the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.
(Jury nullification. It's not just a good idea, it's the law!)
Declaration of Rights, PA Constitution
On 2004-09-21 11:10:00, Just Trying wrote:
"I am so glad people have made some worthwhile comments. Thank You. I like the analogy of the baby and the fly ball, but I don't quite see the connection, maybe I would if I was ever a student. I know having a degree doesn't mean you are smarter than anybody, I was just commenting on a statement that CEDU workers are all uneducated. For the crack problem, I would blame the system that profits from it, not the victims. Bryan, I think you are far too quick to violence and you need to calm down. Mike, I definitely agree with you that being forced into an institution is not a good way to start emotional growth. Minors have absolutely NO rights and it sucks. I think its the major social problem of our era. Those kids up there are amazing. They are good kids and they want to change the world for the better. Many of them are ready to leave, but can't and it is sad to see. What I would really like to know from Mike and any other former CEDU student is what I could bring to the school to make it either less painful or please forgive me, even happy? CEDU intrigues me. In many ways it is a social experiment, but I do not consider you our "guinea pigs". I believe all institutions could learn alot from CEDU. However, I don't think all CEDU students deserved to be institutionalized. It's an unfair contradiction. Some CEDU Students get help they don't need and many more people who need the help in the outside world don't get it. Prisons don't teach emotional growth properly and neither do mental health institutions. If they did, we would probably need less of them. That's just my opinion. "
The government is much more interested in preserving the purity of its ideology than it is in allowing patients to get effective medicine.
-- Ethan B. Russo, neurologist at Western Montana Clinic
Often times its the parents own actions & negligence and/or mistreatment of their kids, that causes the negative rifts in parent/child/family relationships to develop.
That being said, HOW ON EARTH could it possibly make sense to punish kids for their parents mistakes?
Cedu Parents are in denial.
It's much easier for them to hand over their problem children to someone else and pretend that their lives are perfect, than it is for parents to face the real culprit behind the problems with their children, THEMSELVES!
On 2004-09-30 13:32:00, Just Trying wrote:
"I was wondering if any of you ever saw a student who actually benefited from the program. I see many at my school. I notice positive change in many people in just the short time I've been there.
I believe that the three agreements are a good fundamental basis for life in general. I know there are many who would advance themselves more in the outside world, not so closed off from society. I also know many who would get chewed up and spit out in the real world. You can't expect to succeed in life addicted to drugs. You can't expect to get respect from people engaging in promiscuous sex. You also can't beat people up every time someone pisses you off and expect to not get consequences for that action. Someone with one of these problems or a combination thereof will have a very hard time in the "real world". In that sense, we do help people succeed in the "real world". I can admit that some kids are misplaced at CEDU. Can anyone admit that some kids are actually helped at CEDU? "
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
--Author: Sir William Drummond
On 2004-10-01 01:05:00, mikehunt wrote:
people should abide by their own moral codes rather than having to abide by another one in order to avoid the consequences;
All penalties for drug users should be dropped...Making drug abuse a crime is useless and even dangerous...Every year we seize more and more drugs but the quantity available still increases...Police are losing the drug battle worldwide.
--Raymond Kendall ~ Secretary General of Interpol 1994
Just trying:
Wow, you earn just $11.30 an hour. How can you live on that? You mentioned in your posts that you have a degree. I cannot believe that you are happy earning so little.
You also mentioned that you came to this site as a referral from a current student. Thank you, I am thrilled to learn that current students are viewing this site. I hope that there are a few students who read this site, and know that they are not alone, and that they will survive.
Just trying, you've asked if there are any students who have benefited from the program. Unfortunately, I cannot think of any that have. Just trying, you mentioned that you've seen instances of "improvement? in students. Are you sure that you are seeing improvement? Or are you seeing a child learning how to play the CEDU game? Are you seeing a child learning how to close off the world in order to survive the program? The flavor of cedu program that I am familiar with serves only to quarantine ones soul, and replace it with a hallow mantra of binary boundaries that only facilitate failure upon exiting the program.
Just trying, do yourself a favor. Please get a better job. A job where you can earn a living wage. A job, where you can help children in need. Heck, DSS, pays better than 11.30 an hour. If you are hell bent on destroying your self by staying a bad job, then at least get some balls. Communicate the truth of what happens in the program to the student's parents. In raps, when you see a child being pushed too far, take a stand for that child in the rap [not a staff meeting].
Good Luck, but from the tone of your posts it sounds like you've already bought into the program. I hope I am wrong. It pains me to think that another being has bought into a program that propagates disassociation rather than real healing.
On 2004-09-30 13:32:00, Just Trying wrote:
"I was wondering if any of you ever saw a student who actually benefited from the program. I see many at my school. I notice positive change in many people in just the short time I've been there. I believe that the three agreements are a good fundamental basis for life in general. I know there are many who would advance themselves more in the outside world, not so closed off from society. I also know many who would get chewed up and spit out in the real world. You can't expect to succeed in life addicted to drugs. You can't expect to get respect from people engaging in promiscuous sex. You also can't beat people up every time someone pisses you off and expect to not get consequences for that action. Someone with one of these problems or a combination thereof will have a very hard time in the "real world". In that sense, we do help people succeed in the "real world". I can admit that some kids are misplaced at CEDU. Can anyone admit that some kids are actually helped at CEDU? "
On 2004-10-09 19:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
So, Just Trying is getting the typical salary for a floor staff. Maybe he can be mean to the kids and accuse them all of manipulating. That way, he can be promoted and make more money. "
On 2004-10-10 10:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-10-09 19:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
So, Just Trying is getting the typical salary for a floor staff. Maybe he can be mean to the kids and accuse them all of manipulating. That way, he can be promoted and make more money. "
On the salary and working conditions of the Cedu/brown school fascilaties, it seems as if there are several staff that really do want to work with childern and help them. But maybe before helping others they need to help themselves. That level of income at a mental health fascility for a degreed professional is just unacceptable. Waitresses earn more per hour. A quality admin asst. can garner a salary in the mid 50's. Have you guys thought about unionizing? SEIU traditionally handles mental health contracts. If the staff really want to improve the conditions at CEDU/Brown a good first step would be to help your self by unionizing. If you [anon] or just trying is interested in getting more info on how to unionize, please contact Director of Organizing, 323-201-2330 x2151 {Southern California} or In Idaho try [email protected]"
On 2004-10-10 10:36:00, manchester wrote:
Those techniques make things worse. This is not my opinion - this is psychological research. The in-your-face confrontation of the raps and the histrionics of the propheets actually exacerbate emotional upsets and problems.
Life may have no meaning. Or even worse, it may have a meaning of which I disapprove.
Ashleigh Brilliant
On 2004-11-02 10:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey QOS---sounds like I've really gotten under that reptile-skin of yours--WELL GOOD, LOSER!!!
It also sounds like you spend a lot more time on your computer bashing CEDU than I ever spent defending it---and there's that homosexual reference again---like I said before one finger pointing and the rest pointing back at you
Maybe you can ignore me the way that "intimate friend" of yours Bryan Felsher does---he usually ignores me by sending one more post--that's because he has no self-control--probably part of the reason that no school could help him"
On 2004-11-06 14:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You've been rereading MY posts---Queenie old boy, you ought to be rereading your own!! You'd see that you can't hardly post without a) making some putdown reference to somebody's penis or anus and b) alluding to homosexuality--in this current case, by way of the Robin Hood tights reference. Closet closet closet and a lot of rage about it too---maybe if your energy wasn't all about your sexuality you could work on your shitty personality
I don't believe a word you say about any of these people or anyone else---- you have no credibility---you've behaved like a fucking lunatic here and you obviously don't even know yourself very well. Psycho Bryan at least had the brains to back off-- like to think he'd gotten himself some self control--more likely he just realized that he'd given his name address and the industry he worked in and had sense enough to knowthat it was only a matter of time til somebody told his real life world about his posts here---even animals know to move away from fire
So go ahead and play Sherlock Homes--make whatever stabs you want pin a label on me--just know that next time you start to bully someone you disgusting punk I'll be right there to pin your ears back--it's too bad someone didn't do it a long time ago---sure would have nice for that kid of yours (if you really had one) to not have a miserable thug like you for a father"
On 2004-11-08 17:20:00, shanlea wrote:
"and all stop threatening and/or calling eachother names. ok? "
On 2004-09-21 12:18:00, shanlea wrote:
"Listen, you seem to give a hoot, but the fact is that CEDU propagates highly unethical theraputic practices. One is simply that they lie to or manipulate parents by exaggerating the problems of many children--or even creating them where none exist. For example, I experimented with drugs prior to CEDU. Also prior to CEDU, I easily gave it up--wasn't my thing. Drugs were not the reason I went there. Once my family head heard I had some drug experiences, he rewrote history to make me a drug addict and used that as a tool to instill fear in my parents. He had copped out to his own drug addiction and maybe he thinks anyone who tried it is an addict. Whatever, this fake issue meant we never dealt with any real ones.
I also did not appreciate being blown in raps for things that never happened; I don't know if staff just got confused or whatever, but again, it prevented anyone from dealing with any real issues. I hated that they decided a script for you and that was it. I also hated being accused of lying. I was not a liar before I went to cEDU and I was not one afterward. YOu ask me a direct question, I'll give you a direct answer, consequences be damned. I don't know if the fact that CEDU treated all kids as liars was a result of many being tainted by a few or what.
Last, raps were often overemotional about trivial crap like one of the staff members wearing pink bows in her hair, but also encouraged bullying and verbal abuse over direct, straight talk. Do you think it helps a rape victim, or even someone who is promiscuous if they are told they are tramps, unworthy, with legs spread out to the world? What about all the kids who lied or exaggerated their sex/drugs lives after being relentlessly badgered to tell the truth about stuff that never happened? What about the black girl who was called a nigger? Is it OK that teenaged girls sat on grown men's laps and a female staff member groped guys' asses? Do we really need to hear about staff smearing fecal matter all over themselves and jerking off in milk cartons, or having sex w/animals? Ever hear of therapeutic boundaries?
How about all the arbitrary bans, cult lingo, rabid insularity? Even the kids who say CEDU is the best have told me they had a very difficult time relating to the outside world when they got out. Don't you think the propheets are just extended periods of intense mind fucking that changes your psyche permanently?
Also, did they really "treat" ANYTHING while you were there? Are kids with anxiety, ADHD, Oppositionalism, or bipolar best placed in an environment that promotes loud abusive confrontation "therapy." How about targeting low self esteem? Is low self esteem fixed by calling people names, telling them they suck, or there parents don't want/love them?
No.
The therapy begins after going through CEDU.
"
On 2004-11-06 14:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You've been rereading MY posts---Queenie old boy, you ought to be rereading your own!! You'd see that you can't hardly post without a) making some putdown reference to somebody's penis or anus and b) alluding to homosexuality--in this current case, by way of the Robin Hood tights reference. Closet closet closet and a lot of rage about it too---maybe if your energy wasn't all about your sexuality you could work on your shitty personality
I don't believe a word you say about any of these people or anyone else---- you have no credibility---you've behaved like a fucking lunatic here and you obviously don't even know yourself very well. Psycho Bryan at least had the brains to back off-- like to think he'd gotten himself some self control--more likely he just realized that he'd given his name address and the industry he worked in and had sense enough to knowthat it was only a matter of time til somebody told his real life world about his posts here---even animals know to move away from fire
So go ahead and play Sherlock Homes--make whatever stabs you want pin a label on me--just know that next time you start to bully someone you disgusting punk I'll be right there to pin your ears back--it's too bad someone didn't do it a long time ago---sure would have nice for that kid of yours (if you really had one) to not have a miserable thug like you for a father"