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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Lighthouse of northwest florida (fka VCA )/ Rebekah / Roloff ) => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 23, 2003, 04:08:00 PM

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2003, 04:08:00 PM
I am a survivor of the Roloff Rebekah Home for Girls in Corpus Christi, Texas.
the place was a cult, They brainwashed and used mindcontrol on us girls, there was no choice to understand reality. You just had to be what they said. There was never a counselor. Windows cememted down, one girl jumped , she had been tied to a bed, her eyes blank, she had been drugged if you ask me... once she got free of the restraints that bound her to the bed, next to comptons apartment in the upstairs dorm, she ran and jumped out the window of the second story window, the alarms went off, and we all were packed into the dorm rooms.... Many things were going on. But they were big on roloff, he was like a god to them, they near worship him, still keep him alive today, via the radio and tapes and old sermons, he is thier hero, not
Christ, he is hailed as the one who had an answer to hurting kids and parents. he became like a god to his followers. he is enshrined and kept alive even today, he died in 1982.
where did all his money come from?... my parents were going on charity. many parents from what i gather, could not afford the costs. where did all that money come from. who are these roloff supporters today?... then?...who paid roloff ?... he had many compounds, throughout texas and beyond texas, he had boats, he took in penniliess kids with some parents not able to provide no more than $50 a month to help pay the costs of living ....he had airplanes, he had buses, and on one site, they proudly claim that 3,000,000. (www.fbbc.com/messages/roloff.htm (http://www.fbbc.com/messages/roloff.htm) )....dollars was tied up in the rebekah home alone. wondering who had the money and who was channeling money to the ministry.???
healing has been long and hard, the challenge in learning to interpret reality for ones own self, mindboggling mind games, who else is out there who knows what i am talking about?... where are all the rebekah survivors, why are they not talking?
lets talk, without names if you prefer, just lets open the box and talk.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Antigen on April 23, 2003, 06:53:00 PM
I've heard that name before, but I'm not too familiar with the organization or the cult leader. I'd love to hear more. But I think you'll have better luck connecting with others on the "New Info" or "The Teen Help Industry" forums. So I'll leave this thread here for awhile so you'll find it. Then I intend to move it to New Info. If there's a demand for it, I'll be happy to set up a forum for Roloff.

Mean time, I'd just try doing a Google search on the name Roloff and see what comes up.

The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2003, 01:08:00 PM
Thanks!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2003, 09:40:00 PM
I was a Rebekah girl in `82.  I know all of this is true.  We chanted, girls kneeled on salt, no girl had a period for the entire time they were there.  
I can remember a girl being chained to a bed after she ran away.  What a mess!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2003, 07:18:00 PM
I was there, too.  Many years ago when the Cameron's ran the place.  Speaking about this is like talking about someone else I know, not me.  That place is EVIL.  They practice child abuse and call it biblical.  I don't know what to say except that I'm now almost 40 and I was there when I was 14 and it not only still hurts, it still harms.

We need to have Roloff's homes closed down.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2004, 05:36:00 PM
You asked for it, so here I am.  Another Roloff "survivor" as you call it.  I don't know who you are, but I am sure I was there at the same time you were because I too was there when the girl jumped out of the second story window.  I have two questions for: 1. What is wrong with you?  2.  Why are you lying about the Rebekah Home?  I was there for 2 years and was very happy to be there.  You must have been someone who didn't want to stop your street life and make a future for yourself.  Everything you said is a lie!  And I wish I knew your name so I could expose your behavior during your Rebekah stay, because like I said I must know who you are since you say you were at the home when I was there.  Shame on your wicked, evil self!  And how dare you talk like that about the Camerons!  They showed more parental love to us girls than our own parents.  May God have mercy on your wicked soul for your evil actions.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2004, 08:56:00 PM
I've been reading a lot about the cases brought up against Leseter Roloff and his homes, including several personal testimonies.  I was wondering, did Roloff himself administer the various paddlings, etc., or was it always the "House Parents?"
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2004, 02:58:00 PM
I don't know anything about your own parents and your relationship with them but to compare the love of the Camerons with that of our parents is
unfair as everyone's exsperince is different.
I am a survivor of the rebekah home for girls, and
yes I do say survivor because to live with the
abandonment of one's family, to be thrust in to a unknown enviorment, with out coping skills, counseling, or a friend in the world to comfort you it is an achivement to have survived and come out normal, I am not saying that I did not come away with anything positive as I came away with a profound understanding of God's faithfulness and his ability to change a life. I do not belive that Brother Roloff was an evil person, on the contrary I belive he had a dream to help young people, and that dream and its fullfillment were not always shared by the people who worked for him, the Cameron's definately had there favorites who in my opinion were groomed to show a sense of control and acceptance by the flock. These girls showed enthusiasm of the hitler youth in their desire to find wrong in others and pray upon victims of the weaker less excepted youth. In an oragnization as large as Roloff industries it is next to impossible to control everyones actions good or bad and there for there were those who inflicted pain and suffering on a number of girls and wether or not it was done by staff or at the hands of those who roamed the halls handing out demerts seeking to destroy the weaker competition do not think the rest of us didn't notice, and suffering wasn't felt and heard from all around. Wether it was in a lock down room or in silent isolation of one's own quite thoughts. Iwas there and I remember from 1978 till the closing I belive it was in 1980.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
I too am a survivor of the Rebekah Home.  I was sent there by my parents at the age of 14.  I was on drugs and my life was spinning out of control.  At the time i was there in 1971 Granny and Papa Weatherford were the ones running the home.  It was there that I came to know Jesus and turned my life around.  I am now 46 and often wonder where I would be now had i not gone to the home.  I can't say what happened in the following years there but I know while I was there it was a wonderful place.  After I left there I even chose to go back the next year on my own.  I would never have done that if it had been such an awful place.  I am thankful to Granny and Papa and to Br. Roloff for the changes I made in my life because of the home.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2004, 02:09:00 PM
I too am a Rebekah "servivor".  I was in the home is the early 70's.  I have so many good memories and will forever be greatful to Br. Roloff, Granny,Papa and all the others that helped me so much while i was there.  My life was changed because of what i learned while i was there.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: GraceJovian on February 27, 2004, 12:43:00 PM
::bangin:: For Roloff Homes survivors who want to see a take on him through other eyes, visit my blog, SECRET RADIO, which is focused mostly on an Independent Fundamental Baptist college 20 years ago. The character of Julius Fallows, who advocates raw foods, strict clothing rules, and runs a few "homes" for children, reminds many readers of Lester Roloff.

In this week's series of episodes. Brother Julius Fallows flies his plane into a thunderstorm and crashes. I gathered input from Roloff Homes survivors to give a realistic take on how his own children/inmates would react to his death.

This story is not really ABOUT Lester Roloff. It's about being Independent Baptist Fundamentalist in the 1980's, the last decade of
glory for these people.

 ::read:: The URL for SECRET RADIO is http://secret-radio.blogspot.com (http://secret-radio.blogspot.com)

Here are some references to the plane crash section:

radio_archive.html#107473650075803198>First Post (posted Feb 23)
radio_archive.html#107481830047638738>Second Post (posted Feb 24)
radio_archive.html#107522554677833614>Third Post (posted Feb 25)
radio_archive.html#107523301135035976>Fourth Post (posted Feb 26)
radio_archive.html#107524650058523065>Fifth Post (posted Feb 27)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2004, 09:54:00 AM
I, too, am a Rebekah survivor.  It was a horrible time and yes the place was a brainwashing cult.  Thank God I was only there a few days before my dad heard more information from my aunt and came back to get me.  I was not on drugs, not sexually active, not violent.  I was an A student who had dealt with a mother who left her 9 yr old daughter to take care of a 7 yr old brother every night by herself.  As a teenager, after being independent so long, wanted to do a few things like be in some after school clubs but mom's drinking and bar hopping came first.  Yes, I rebelled and tried to be abel to do what I wanted because I was forced to be independent from an early age and to have that taken away years later was difficult.  I was sent to the Rebekah home for these reasons.  After I got there and had to have my wardrobe sifted through so that only "appropriate" clothing was allowed, I was shocked to hear the non-stop, taped Roloff sermons.  I cried all night the first night and prayed to God that I would be able to last a whole year without being brainwashed.  I tried to keep my fingers in my ears so that forced crap would not be lodged into my brain.  When we came in, the girl giving my parents the tour sounded like a robot giving her rehearsed speech about how much she loved it.  I was a roommate with a girl who killed her family and the other girl I can't remember.  I remember being given chemicals that I was supposed to shower with but I poured them down the drain.  I also remember looking around at the tall fences with the barbed wire over the top and wondering if I could get out of there.  I think I have blocked the details out and I can't remember the dates that I was there but it was after Roloff died.  You are right, they worshipped Roloff instead of God.  I remember having to raise your skirt to prove you had a slip on before going into the church and I also remember getting demerits for bouncing your foot while your legs where crossed and sitting down.  I was warned not to look at the boys.  I also remember the groups sitting down together and saying verses that made me cringe because it was like chanting.  I felt like it was evil and it gave me the creeps.  I remember the crap food that was offered too while I heard stories of the money they were taking in with fish/shrimp boats and all kinds of other industries.  One day that I was there and we were in the exercise yard, a crew from 20/20 came with cameras.  I started trying to get their attention and jumping up and down and yelling info to them but was quickly restrained and pulled back inside and locked up.  I was so scared but God did answer my prayers because shortly after that my dad came to get me.  He said he had a really hard time because the papers that were signed to admit me prevented me from being taken out or from leaving for one year.  It did turn me away from God for a while and I actually recently had a spiritual revelation and feel so new and clean.  I think this recent event in my spiritual life had made me think of this past time.  I had even blocked out Rebekah Home for Wayward Girls and Lester Roloff's name.  I had to search the internet in Corpus Christi, TX for Lighthouse to find it.  It gives me the chills to think about it.  I think it was a cult for sure.  I remember a married couple that was holding hands and teaching us that were talking about how they met through the Rebekah/Lighthouse homes and got married.  They were brainwashed for sure because they came back and they thought it was wondeful.  I'm sure they used the brainwashing technique so that thye would have future followers to continue with their brainwashing and torture.  There were even two male guards that were walking the halls with guns.  You can't be forced to accept Jesus as your savior and Roloff and his followers should know that.  It doesn't count if people just say the words so they can fit in and make through a year of hell.  I'll quit rambling but am open to answer any questions or discuss this more with other survivors.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Melanie on April 06, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
WOW! Very interesting. Now, for a lighter side.
Memories from children, true or false? Who's to know? God knows. So why all of the bickering? Why sound so revengeful? I hear this from both sides of this topic of "The Rebekah Home For Girls."( I will address the allegations of abuse near the end, but first, please hear me out..
 Yep, I was there too, the entire year of 1981. I hated it at first. What??? No T.V.?? No cool music?? Dresses? Church, every DAY?  Girls my age telling ME what to do??? No skipping class and sneaking around to drink beer? No sleeping in as late as I wanted to??? I don't think so!!!
 My whole life was altered and there wasn't anything I could do about it.  Well, one thing is for sure, I would have hated it till the end had I not accepted the LORD to live inside my heart. It made ALL the difference in the world.
 This decision had nothing to do with The Rebekah Home or the people in it, though many were inspiring. It was a commitment made between The Lord and me. He had been after me, long before my feet hit Rebekah's grounds.
 I saw everything in a different light from that point on. I still do. I believe that GOD took a cooky situation that I got myself into, (or my parents got me into rather), and turned it into something good, as He always does, when we let HIM. Hence, MY SALVATION!!!  Though I am not sin less, by far, I do mean well and I try to keep my head on straight and my heart open.
It IS nessasary to start over fresh every day. It feels good to wipe the slate clean before going to bed at night.
The same is true to let the past stay where it is, in the past. It's a hard thing to do. I know..I KNOW... But, one must, in order to move on... Fanatics usually mean well too, they just do everything, well, fanatically. Maybe "fanatic's" learned their behavior from their parents before them. Who can say? Then who's the abused? Who gets help first? Who is really to blame? Us? Our parents? fanatic's? The goverment? It just goes on and on.....and on, as we get older and older and ...Stop the maddness!

Don't worry or feel weird anymore if you do. Just use your common sense, thats what it's there for. If you don't feel you have much, read the book of Proberbs. Great wisdom. Hear this: "Get busy living or get busy dying"... Remember, God will judge us ALL in the end anyways. To those who feel pain from personal memories from your time at Rebekah, I wish I could comfort you. Let it pass and just say good bye to that time once and for all. Get out and make a difference in this world. The world needs your passion, don't bottle it all up inside.
 Plant a bunch of flowers everywhere. Plant a tree. Plant yourself. With good watering and loving care, you will see beautiful blooms in your life and all around you. If a storm comes, it too shall pass. Just replant. You can do this.
We can do this!
 Some of you sound so threatened by each others remarks. Where is the love??? It is wise to keep an open mind as well as an open heart. IT IS WISE...
I don't have proof of all of the things some say  happened, I must have been blind. I was probably reading my bible somewhere trying to learn Gods word for it became more and more interesting to me. Maybe I was swinging on the swing set near the school eating a million fresh oranges,(I used to love to do that). Maybe I was tanning my ankles on a blanket on the concrete. Or, I might have been attending a little gathering in the cool shade by the cafateria, listening to a nice southern girl play a good guitar~ She always wore purple glasses. We both loved Lynard Skynard. Of course, we couldn't discuss that, we both just knew. I still do.

HOWEVER, this I do know to be true...Because this happened to me.
First of all, I too didn't have a period for the entire year I lived at the Rebekah Home. I think this happened because our life styles had changed so dramatically and our hormones where affected from this. Also, most of the food that was prepared for us to consume, were very healthy and good for us. Though, I do remember a lot of starchy foods as well, which is full of carbs, and explains why so many of us gained tons of weight. Too much weight gain or loss, can affect a womans/girls cycle. I for one was quite happy for not having to deal with having a period for a year. Who wouldn't be?

YES, THERE WAS A LOCK UP ROOM.
 I spent a week in lock up and I had wackings on my be-hind a few times. Of course it hurt. I think that was the point, but I did not bleed or bruise. I pay attention to detail. Knowing this, it is hard for me to imagine true "abuse" exsisting in that Home. I think I would've noticed. Others would have told me. Wouldn't they?
 My stay in the lock up room, took place the first week that I was in the home. I had a hard time stopping curse words, for they just flew out of my mouth like bees, that is, before I found the LORD. (I still have troubles controlling this when I'm angry), but as a child, this was/is disrespectful and I understand now. I remember hearing the larger girls that had to hold me down say,  that I was the worst and the most rebellious kid they had ever delt with at that point. I probably was, because my much loved freedom, was being threatened and compromized. Yet, even though I was very stubborn and rebellious, I know that the lock up room was not nessasary. It was kinda scary. No, it was scary. The tub didn't work, and I wanted to bathe. That was gross in itself. And, I heard later, that roaches lived in the room and came out at night where we'd sleep on the floor with a single mattress. Yuck. Yuck...There were no windows either. And, when I would sing out loud, (cause I do), "worldly" things,  such as singing popular songs, the lights would be turned off. I had no control over the lights at all. I felt punishment from every direction, and nobody even knew who I was! I thought Rebekah, was a cult, for sure....
BUT, you see, the thing is this. It was in there, in that locked up room where I accepted CHRIST to live forever in my heart. There, in the dark, on my knees, alone, weeping. Just THE LORD and me. The HOLY SPIRIT finally won me over. Instant peace over came my entire being. (a few roaches may have wittnessed this too)
  I, unlike some others, really enjoyed the memorizing of scripture. Some of you refer to it as "chanting". Call it what you like, but listen-
 During very difficult and scary times in my life since I've left Rebekah, some of the Psalms that we had to memorize, would come to me and I'd say them out loud, then total peace would fall over me and I wouldn't be afraid anymore. For REAL. I still do this when I feel the need, and it still works. I think that a lot of scripture is meant to be comforting ~ As well as powerful.

Unfortuantly, I am lacking a good prayer life and bible studies. I don't even attend a church right now, and I haven't for a long, long, time..I guess I'm picky. Maybe I'm not as trusting as I should be. Though, I worship the Lord everyday. He is everywhere and in everyone and everything. HE uses us ALL. In children, the elderly, the rich and the poor, the strong and the weak...In believers and in those who don't believe yet....HE wants us all....Thank goodness.
 Luckly, God doesn't hold this against me. But He does leave the door open, I think I'll go in tonight. Thank you all for the inspiration~

May God Bless and Protect ALL of my Rebekah sisters regardless if you call yourself  "survivors", or my sisters in Christ~
 
Hi friends,
 Margot,Kim,Judy,Heidi and many others, where ever you may now be~ SHALOM ~
miss you~  Love, Melanie (king) [ This Message was edited by: Melanie on 2004-04-06 21:29 ][ This Message was edited by: Melanie on 2004-04-06 21:32 ][ This Message was edited by: Melanie on 2004-04-06 21:38 ][ This Message was edited by: Melanie on 2004-04-06 21:43 ][ This Message was edited by: Melanie on 2004-04-06 21:44 ][ This Message was edited by: Melanie on 2004-04-06 21:49 ][ This Message was edited by: Melanie on 2004-04-06 21:54 ][ This Message was edited by: Melanie on 2004-04-06 22:09 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2004, 05:29:00 PM
I am a survivor of Happiness Hills in Mississippi, a branch off of Roloff's homes.  I relate so much to the brainwashing and torture, and it has been over 10 years since my "release."  I have never been able to get over it.  I am interested in contacting others who were there between 1993-1995
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Melanie on April 08, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
Hello Rebekah girls and others,
I hope all is well in each of your lives, and that you are finding happiness and contentment~
Rereading over the postings that you have all posted in this Rebekah fora, I realized something that strikes me as odd. None of you have left you names next to your postings.
If you really have something to proclaim and you believe in what you are proclaiming, why then remain anonymous? I totally understand not leaving your last name, but , your first name??
If you are standing up for the Rebekah Homes, and your upset with what others are saying, why seem ashamed or afraid to leave your name?
If you call yourselves a "survivor" of the Rebekah Homes, and your determined for your voice to be heard once and for all, why do you all seem  ashamed or afraid to leave your name?
Why so mysterious? Don't you want people to take you serious? What or who are you hiding from?
Plus, it would be a lot easier to address one of your postings, if we had "a" name to address you with. Just make one up for goodness sake.
Don't you think it would be awesome to recognize a long lost friend from Rebekah!? Who else in your life now, could relate better to your ideas and opinions in this area of discussion?  If anyone regonizes my name, give me a buzz!
Here is my email address if somebody out there remembers me. Chances are, I remember you too, for I considered everyone I met at Rebekah, my friend and my sister. I still do.
[email protected]
There isn't any reason for us to be afraid to talk to one another. We all have a common bond. We lived together. Most of us for our appointed year. We lived like, family, in some respects. We didn't have a choice. We were children. Our choices, were made for us, right or wrong~
I am the curious type as well as a realist, but first, I am a Christian, and with this "tittle", and the many aspects of being a believer, comes the freedom of not having feelings of shame, or else, I'd have something to hide. Do you?
Well, thats all~
May you all have a wonderful Easter~
God Bless,
Melanie
(king)
 
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2004, 08:42:00 PM
lies?  it's not us telling the lies here.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on April 23, 2004, 12:03:00 AM
NO SHE DOESNT LIE!!!! I TOO AM A SURVIVOR OF THE ROLOFF HOMES!!! I am a former roloff attendee. I can vouch for most of the stories that have happened and can add many more since i was a particpant from anchrtraz from 82-85
             eric
               hoof to those that know me
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: notworking on April 23, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
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On 2004-04-06 14:58:00, Melanie wrote:


Memories from children, true or false? Who's to know?

This thinking has led to a tremendous amount of harm in the world.  Children abused by teachers, priests, ministers, youth counselors because "children don't know what they're saying, they can't distinguish fantasy from reality."  It's a crock.  Stories of being abused are inherently humiliating to tell.  Why would SO MANY people bring this up if it didn't happen?  People who didn't see it might have done just that -- NOT SEEN IT.  Or they may have an agenda -- look at the poster who wanted to know someone's name so she could REPORT them, for heaven's sake.

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Well, one thing is for sure, I would have hated it till the end had I not accepted the LORD to live inside my heart. It made ALL the difference in the world.

The Lord gives us the strength to get through anything if we open ourselves to Him.  The fact that you experienced His grace at Rebekah doesn't meant that it was a good place.  Many people experienced God's grace in concentration camps -- Corrie TenBoom made a living writing and speaking about it.  That doesn't mean they weren't evil.

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It IS nessasary to start over fresh every day. It feels good to wipe the slate clean before going to bed at night.

The same is true to let the past stay where it is, in the past.

NO.  You do not wipe the slate clean every night.  Confession and forgiveness are necessary, but not sufficient to salvation.  You must SIN NO MORE.  Abusing children is a sin.  Although I don't agree with him about everything, Pope John Paul II was right when he said it was one of the most grievous sins a person could commit.  It doesn't matter how many times you confess and beg for forgiveness, even mean it, if you go back to that sin again and again and again.  Intimidating other people, trying to avoid the consequences of your actions, those are sins, too.  Even if you stop abusing children, you have an obligation to admit what you did so that the people you abused can get the help and closure they need.

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First of all, I too didn't have a period for the entire year I lived at the Rebekah Home. I think this happened because our life styles had changed so dramatically and our hormones where affected from this. Also, most of the food that was prepared for us to consume, were very healthy and good for us. Though, I do remember a lot of starchy foods as well, which is full of carbs, and explains why so many of us gained tons of weight. Too much weight gain or loss, can affect a womans/girls cycle. I for one was quite happy for not having to deal with having a period for a year. Who wouldn't be?

Well, an OB/Gyn wouldn't be, for starters.  What you're describing is called amenorrhea, a medical condition.  Weight gain or loss can cause you to skip a period or two, but not for a whole year.  That's a sign of something more troubling.  Either you were being fed hormones OR you were stressed to the point that your bodies were constantly flooded with adrenalin.  Women fleeing war or living in refugee camps often don't have periods because losing blood/carrying a baby could kill them.  Otherwise, if you go to the doctor and say "I haven't had a period in a year," s/he's gonna be concerned.

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YES, THERE WAS A LOCK UP ROOM.

 I spent a week in lock up and I had wackings on my be-hind a few times. Of course it hurt. I think that was the point, but I did not bleed or bruise. I pay attention to detail. Knowing this, it is hard for me to imagine true "abuse" exsisting in that Home. I think I would've noticed. Others would have told me. Wouldn't they?

Striking a child with an object is abuse, period.  Do it more than once and your child will be removed from your home in most states.  Striking teenagers is not only abusive physically, but mentally as well.  Plus it's stupid.  Teenagers may be motivated by humiliation and pain in the short term, but in the long run you get resentment.  If you couldn't recognize that you were being abused, why would you have recognized it happening to someone else?

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< The tub didn't work, and I wanted to bathe. That was gross in itself. And, I heard later, that roaches lived in the room and came out at night where we'd sleep on the floor with a single mattress. Yuck. Yuck...There were no windows either. And, when I would sing out loud, (cause I do), "worldly" things,  such as singing popular songs, the lights would be turned off. I had no control over the lights at all.


Again, this is abuse.  Do it to your kids and you'll lose them and (hopefully) go to jail.  Even in the 80s, if you locked your kid in a filthy room with no windows on a single mattress and turned out the lights when the kid tried to comfort himself by singing, you would have had to explain it to a judge.

It is good that you've made peace with your experience.  But others can't.  And when you invalidate their experiences -- waxing rhapsodic about fresh oranges and tanning -- you turn them away.  Did you ever think that maybe some girls from Rebekah came to associate their treatment there with God and decided to have nothing more to do with Him?  Do you think Christ would have approved of these methods?  Anything that stands between people and salvation is just plain wrong, no matter how well intentioned it may be.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Melanie on April 23, 2004, 06:21:00 PM
Hello "Familiar Face",
I wish to respond to the post above.....
Thank you for your acknowledgment and your comments regarding my posting~

You must first know, I am NOT an advocate of child abuse, or abuse of any kind. It is in my nature to protect those who are suffering. It is a passion that lives deep inside of me, and it will never leave me~

Though, you have made me aware, that I too, lived through a form of abuse. I am becoming more and more aware of the abuse and suffering, of others, particularly, those from the Roloff Homes. I myself do not come from a physically abusive home. I apologize that I am slow to learn in this area. I do, however, come from a mental abusive up bringing. So, at least I can try to comprehend the "mind" part of all of this. Bare with me as I learn more, please.

My way of "thinking", as I posted, "God knows", was an attempt to help bring others peace in their mind, to remind them that they are not alone. Another words, He knows the whole truth(s). He will bring out in the light, which was once in the dark.

I NEVER implied that people are/were lying. I believe everyones story. Why wouldn't I? The Homes were in operation for thirty-something years. Many different people ran the Homes over the span of many years. Some "good", some, "bad", so how could I or you, ever not believe what others proclaim? Most of us only lived there for a few years, or less. It would be nonsense to try to speak on behalf of others who lived at the Homes in different times. And, once again, this is common sense.

Furthermore, I never said it was a "good place", nor a "bad place". It was neither to me. But, that was MY experience, not necessarily yours. And, I respect that~ Also, it would be nice if those who were "abused", could find it in thier hearts, to respect those who do not have the same awfull memories. For, neither the abused nor the non abused, are to blame... We were children, remember that~

You have said good and interesting things in your posting, I am glad that you spoke up. That is what this is all about, after all~

I too admire the teachings of Corrie Ten Boom. I have a wonderful devotional book by her. It is called, "Each New Day",in case you would like to check it out. We can never begin to understand, the sufferings that she had to endure, or all of the souls murdered in the Holocaust. Now that is an issue that really pisses me off.

YES. I do wipe the slate clean every night, and, I always will. There isn't any reason to get so deep in this area. It is a generalization. Haven't you ever heard that saying about the sun going down? ( I can't remember it right now), however what you do before you go to bed each night, is your own business. I will respect that too~

You are right! Every one has the "obligation', to ask forgiveness to those they've/we've  harmed, and closure is VERY important. Everyday~

I stand corrected on the OB/GYN issue. Though, as an adult, when ever I had gained extra weight in the past, this would happen to me, like it did in the Home. I assumed it was "the" cause. I was wrong, and "thank you", for that info. I wonder if "Amenorrhea", has something to do with the fact that my husband and I haven't conceived a baby yet. But, thats another sad issue that perhaps, I'll have to overcome too~

I do wonder if any of the abused people are doing anything about there past abuse now. Who would one go to talk to? Do you have any sugestions???Have any of you pressed charges? I probably would have, (if I personally had a reason to), but, I would have done it a long time ago~ then again, thats just me~

I can assure you, that if I had ever witnessed anything alarming, anything at all,  I would not have kept it to myself. No way man~

Others CAN make peace with their past experiences, and they must, or else, they will fade away for sure, and wake up to be little old men and women with a scrunched up grumpy face. Not good~~

All through the ages, people of "faith", have had to suffer greatly. I don't know why, do you? But, there must be a reason for it. Once we get over "this" thing, there will be another "thing"...Thats LIFE....THATS LIFE..Most of our answers, are right in front of us sometimes, and we don't choose to recognize them~At least, that has been my experience.

By the way, I still love oranges, swings, sunshine, and rock and roll~ and for these simple pleasures that God gave me to "survive with", I do not feel the need to apologize~

Thanks again Familar face. You have so much passion, perhaps you can do a lot of good in the world with it~ You go girl!
Melanie





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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: nett on May 02, 2004, 01:59:00 AM
i was there in 79 -80 and seen none of what you are saying

Any Irishman who doubts the reality of selective enforcement ought to take just a moment to comtemplate the etymology of the term "paddy waggon".
--Antigen

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: iknowcedulies on May 03, 2004, 09:56:00 PM
i survived cedu in running springs in 84 but i am willing to talk to all cult survivors
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2004, 04:14:00 PM
I was there from 1978-1980. I still cry. I cant forget. Onegirl left and shot father. Two of my friends came up missing.Roger Minnix beat me with a boat paddle.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
We are still afraid because 24 hrs. a day you lived in fear there.  They are still continuing to do what they have done for decades. They have even propigated their lies to the point that Texas Govenor George W. Bush gave them free reign i.e. HB 2482. I was one of the girls they hid in Georgia when they were closed in 79.Hunger,lock-up, licks in excess of 78,bleeding,lack of mensus, made to stand or kneel for hours on end. I'VE SEEN IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! And every day it haunts me.
     Where do they get all their money besides donations?  Grapefruit groves, orangegroves,( I helped to harvest the fruit. I,ve seen them.) produce,audio cassettes, movies,(yes I'm in one)fishing boats, shrimp boats,evangelists for hire, singing groups,a day care center,at one time a retirement home, milk production, livestock, various small businesses on the property. And guess what folks?  It's all tax free.
     The greatest tradgedy of this is not what they did to me, or others in the past. The true tradgedy is that they are still in operation creating more of us suvivors who will be scared, who will look for a web sight for somebody that understands, who will still cry when the memories of torture and licks and lock-up come back even when that horrible place is over 20 years behind them, and wonder what happend to the ones they treated the worst, or their friends.
     Faye Cameron has a court order by the State of Texas never to work in any type of juvenile facility again. So, where are they now? Did they run to Mississippi or Missouri or Georgia again? I know they are operating somewhere....making more suvivors.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: LIZ MALDONADO on May 15, 2004, 05:28:00 PM
HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH I WAS ONE OF THE SURIVORS ALSO.WELL I NEVER EVER THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH GOING ON WITH LESTER ROLOFF LIFE.SORRY WE MEANING ME AND MY SISTERS NEVER CALL HIM BROTHER ROLOFF OR LESTER ROLOFF. HE HAD ME AND MY SISTERS CALL HIM DADDY ROLOFF.WELL ANY WAYS WE GOT TO THE HOME IN DECEMBER OF 1976.OUR MOTHER DIE JUNE OF 76. SO OUR FATHER WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH US.HE TOKE US IN AND BOY DID HE BEAT US NOT FEED US AND NO SCHOOL.HOW DID WE GET TO CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS IS WHAT I ALWAYS ASK BUT WE DID.WE CAME FROM CHICAGO ME AND MY TWO SISTERS AND TWO BROTHER.SO ANYWAY HERE IS MY STORY.WHEN WE FIRST GOT TO THE HOME WE WAS SCARE OUR MOM DIED AND OUR FATHER DID NOT WANT US,SO WE WAS SCARE BEING IN A PLACE WHERE WE DONT KNOW ANY ONE.I GUESS IT WAS NOT BAD THE FIRST MONTHWE WAS THERE. BUT THE RULES,WAS KILLING ALL OF US.I GUESS WE LIKE THAT DADDY ROLOFF USE TO COME OVER AND TAKE US PLACES JUST ME AND MY SISTERS WE LIKE THAT HAVING A FATHER WE NEVER HAD.BUT ONCE HE TOKE US BACK TO THE DORM THATS WHEN THE NIGHTMARE BEGAN.ALOT OF THE STAFF MEMEBER DID NOT LIKE THAT WE GOT TO GO OUT WITH DADDY ROLOFF.NOW I CAN TELL YOU ALL MY NIGHTMARE I WHEN THRU IN THERE BUT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH IT HURTS ALOT.MY LITTLE SISTER HER NAME IS ESPERANZA GOT BEATEN SO BAD THE SHE HAD BRUSES AND BLEAD LIKE YOU WONT BELIVE.AND TO MAKE THINGS WORST THEY WOULD'NT LET ME OR MY SISTER MARIA IN THE ROOM TO TAKE CARE OF HER.YOU SEE MY SISTER IS SLOW TILL THIS DAY SHE STILL DONT KNOW HOW TO READ.SHE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE.AS FOR MY SISTER MARIA SHE IS THE OLDEST SHE WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF ME AND OUR LITTLE SISTER SO SHE WAS ALWAYS LOCKED UP IN A ROOM.CAUSE SHE WAS ALWAYS GETTING INTO FIGHT IF ANYONE MESS WITH US..WE WHEN THRU HELL IN THAT PLACE. YES WE WAS LOVE BY DADDY ROLOFF BUT HE ALSO USED US ON TV FEELING SORRY FOR US CAUSE WE HAD NO FAMILY AND HE ALWAYS USED MY MOM'S DEATH SO PEOPLE COULD SEE WHAT A GOOD MAN HE WAS.MAYBE HE WAS CAUSE I DO REMEMBER ALOT OF GOOD TIME WITH HIM AND SOME OF THE GIRLS IN THERE WAS VERY GOOD TO US.SOME.I STILL TODAY HAVE NIGHTMARES OF THAT PLACE.I DONT KNOW IF THE HOME ARE STILL OPEN BUT IF IT IS GOD BLESS ALL THE GIRLS IN THERE AND THE FAMILY WHO BUT THEM IN THERE.WELL THATS ALL AND SORRY I DONT KNOW HOW TO WRITE THAT GOOD HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND...LOVE ELIZABETH        1976-1978
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2004, 03:50:00 PM
Dear Elizabeth
 I know. I believe. I am the one who wrote the letter befor yours.


                      Love You
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2004, 05:16:00 PM
"Evangelist Lester Roloff drew a line in the dirt to keep the State of Texas from regulating his Rebekah Home for Girls. Years later, George W. Bush's plan to free faith-based institutions from government rules handed Roloff's disciples a long-sought victory. But this Alamo had no heroes-only victims like DeAnne Dawsey".

Source:
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/roloff.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/roloff.html)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Melanie on June 12, 2004, 03:26:00 AM
Hi Elizabeth,
Thank you for sharing your story with us.You write very nicely and I understand where you are coming from.  It is clear, that you and your sisters are very close. Blood is thicker than anything, at least it should be. I wish the very best for you and your sisters.
May you all be blessed, and blessed well~

Take care my friend~
Melanie
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2004, 01:53:00 AM
Hi , i was there in 78, I remember ole Minix.
Sorry he hurt you...  
I have been struggling for many years to get to the healing I am now at.

Glad to see you...wonder if we remember each other?

Be interested in finding out...

I am now healed, but have struggled a long time in healing. my experience in Rebekah was very detrimental to my emotional and mental stability.
But Gods Grace has prevailed inspite of the damages done...

Gods Peace
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2004, 02:13:00 AM
Hi Liz...and sisters...Patricia ALexander here...
Hi and I feel like I am nearly home to hear you on here...
been a long hard road to healing, I am now 40...
how are you?
please contact me...
would love to get reaquainted...

My experiences at Rebekah were detrimental to my mental and emotional wellbeing....
I have been in recovery for going on over 8 years...

Please contact me when you can...
[email protected]
love Patricia
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2004, 02:25:00 AM
HI Patricia here...
one time back some time ago, i was surfing web, and was reading a page for Baptist Missions, and found a letter that Br.Charles Crumb (new leader in place of Cameron..), wrote, he wrote it telling that the Rebekah Home had been re-located to FLORIDA, in 2001...
and I had also learned that the Camerons had "retired" to Georgia...

I was there in Rebekah in 1977-1978...
write me when you can...my life has been mainly just learning to survive and heal and try to be all in one mind since that fateful year of my life..

would like to get acquainted

sincerely
Patricia Alexander-- survivor 1977-78
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mac10k on June 17, 2004, 05:16:00 PM
I lived in the home under the Cameron's care. I can vouch for many things that happened there and see other things said that supposedly happened during those years and know they are false. My name is Terry and I spent quite a bit of time in the lockup and also in the infirmary because of ulcers developed from the stress. I was never on drugs, never drank, was not sexually active, my only "sin" was trying to leave an abusive home. Out of the frying pan into the fire. Mrs. Cameron did not like me from the beginning, even going as far as to take away the plants my family sent me.

During the time I was there the worst punishment I remember going through was kneeling in the hallway one night until Noel confessed to having defecated in a baggie and putting it in another girls bathroom cabinet. Noel was the youngest girl in the dorm and pretty much got away with murder, we were finally allowed to go to bed after several hours of kneeling, but I don't recall her punishment being more than a few days in lock up.

I was also forced to kneel in the front room at the desk and write sentences every afternoon because I dared to tell another girl about the rape I had endured before being brought to the home. Mrs. Cameron called me a liar and made me write 250 sentences a day until I confessed to lying about the most traumatic event to happen in my life. The entire reason I was sent there was because my mother could not endure the shame of having her friends and church know that her daughter ran away trying to escape her abuse and was raped. So she sent me there, to have Mrs. Cameron continue the abuse I received at home. Mostly verbal but she did slap me across the face a few times when I questioned her about things.

I remember being called into Mrs. Camerons office after watching the movie about hell (can't remember the name) and not getting saved once it was over. She ordered me to have the older girls lead me in prayer and beg God to let me be saved. I did it, but did not believe, and because of the way the home was run am today an agnostic.

I too, remember the daily session of Bible memorization and the many demerits I received for "mumbling my scripture". I had just had my braces removed before going in the home and had learned to talk without moving my lips because of the braces cutting the inside of my mouth. I would sit beside the helpers so they could hear me repeating my scriptures and still received demerits.

I remember the constant treks to church, 10 times a week, if my memory serves me correctly, not including the daily sermons through the room speakers. I remember the hall walkers checking our Bibles to make sure we were following along with sermon and receiving demerits if we weren't on the right chapter and verse.

I remember the slip check on the way to church and school. Having our names checked off the clipboard as we filed out to go any where.

I remember the old girls telling stories about running and how a girl had run and they turned dogs loose on her and brought her back to the home. They warned us new girls that running was futile, the townies knew us on sight and would bring us back if they saw us on the street.

During my time there we had to go to the airstrip to greet Bro. Roloff as he flew in, there was a photographer there and we had to rush to the plane acting like we couldn't wait to be in his presence.

The only "chemicals" I ever saw passed out was Epsom salts to my room captain Chris. I never skipped a period while I was there even though I did drop several dress sizes.The only "beatings" I received was the usual paddling given when I received too many demerits for the week. I missed a lot of the films shown in the cafeteria due to room and big job demerits.

I too remember the windows, not cemented during my time, but alarmed. Never allowed to be opened, the curtains closed, lest we stare at the Anchor boys. I remember not beng allowed to leave our rooms except for designated times, like big jobs or to go to eat or school and the never ending church sessions. Hallwalkers shining flashlights in our eyes every few hours a night during bed checks. The monthly trip to the dorm store to buy cheesy pantyhose and toothpaste.

I remember the grapefruit in boxes out in the rec area by the ping pong table after the girls came back from the valley. We walked along Rebekah Beach eating the fruit, one of the few things we could eat our fill of besides the sunday trout dinner.

While I will agree that the methods used by the Camerons and supposedly sanctioned by Roloff were extreme and did border on mind control I won't proclaim that they were the only ones to blame. My parents sent me there as a 14 year old and refused to listen as I told them what went on in the home. My six month visit was filled by my stories of the time I spent in lock up and facing the wall in the cafeteria. The home broke my spirit and my will, it took me many years to get over what happened to me there but I blame my parents for what I endured.

It has been 24 years since I was there, and I still remember vividly what I went through, I still have my demerit slips and my pace pass certificates. I once had the names of all the girls who were in the home at the same time I was but my mother found it and destroyed it saying I needed to put it in the past where it belonged.

I have a million memories of my time there and of the girls I shared my day to day life with. I miss some of them and hope if they read this and know me they will write and let me know how they are doing in their lives. A few of the girls I remember were Shelley Lewis, Susan Scott and her sister Debbie, Janette Hartzel, Becci Stuhan, Dawn Renee Petersen. Bridgett my first room captain, Jennifer Jones, her sister, and a very tall gangly girl we called Ducky.

If anyone else remembers these girls and was in the home at the same time, I'd love to hear from you.

_________________
Those who live by the sword are shot by those who don't.[ This Message was edited by: mac10k on 2004-06-17 14:24 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2004, 06:11:00 PM
hi, Terri,  I was in Rebekah in 1978. I live just about an hour north of Houston.

I too remember so much of this, and have struggled to heal and be who I am.

[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mac10k on June 17, 2004, 10:29:00 PM
Quote
On 2004-06-17 15:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"hi, Terri,  I was in Rebekah in 1978. I live just about an hour north of Houston.

I too remember so much of this, and have struggled to heal and be who I am.

[email protected]



Were you there with the Cameron's?[ This Message was edited by: mac10k on 2004-06-17 19:30 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2004, 11:12:00 PM
Terry, Yes I was there with them, From what I recall they had just come on as dormparents, right before I got there, And from all I can tell, I was better off with them than the horror stories I have heard of Mama and Papa Weatherford.

Mrs. Cameron gave me a beating of my life, and Mrs Patrick did also, all because I was upset one day and needed to pour out my pain to her about my parents, she saw it as me being disrespectful,
and I also spent time in Lockup. At the end of my lockup time, Wiley came into the lockup and sat on the mattress and read me the "roman road to salvation"....went in one ear and out the other, cause basically I was hurting so deeply inside, And all...

remember the oranges, they were good.
The place left its scars of dissociative issues marking my life. I am 40 now. And have two kids.

I was 14 went in, and 15 when I left.
just a year , but that was enough.
My brother was in the Lighthouse,
in 1979, a year after my stay there. He stayed there 18 mos. and it turned him bitter and when he got out he was very bitter.

There were many questionable things done there. ONes I know I remember and ones I am not sure If it is real memory or make believe....
but God has still helped me, by showing me that these persons didnt understand that He is a God that is gentle adn loving and not a God ready to nail one down and force one to pray. God is far more concerned about what is in our hearts, not merely by what is spoken outloud from our lips.
These narrowminded Paranoid Fundies seemed to not get that...they were so far into hiding against "big Government" that they lost the point and let thier illness of paranoia destroy the spirits and wills of many young persons entrusted to them.
My parents were just like them, but I defend my parents too, just a tiny tad...lol...cause they were decieved also. But I defend me also, cause I was already a survivor of sexual abuse and bad home environment...

Thanks Terry,
[email protected]
:smile:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mac10k on June 19, 2004, 02:37:00 PM
I don't recall Ms. Patrick, but I do remember Ms Lori the redheaded PE teacher and Ms. Maggie. I never met the Weatherfords, they had been gone for at least a year by the time I went in, Mrs Cameron was runing the show and was already set in the ways of beating us. It was either kiss her ass or feel her wrath.

I have no doubt that some girls found their way to God in the home and it probably did change a few lives, but for me it made my life worse. I did not have any emotional issues or behavioral issues at home. I did when I came out. Not behavoral but certainly emotional. I've never been able to really get close to anyone since my time there. Any close bonds I had with any of the girls resulted in Mrs. Cameron seperating us, so I learned early on not to get to close to anyone there.

I attribute my time there for making me less social, for making me feel more comfortable in my bedroom than anywhere else in my house or anywhere outside my house. I refuse to wear and own no dresses or skirts and would not be caught dead in church for any reason.

My family's thoughts on the subject are, it's been 24 years, get over it, but I don't think any of us really do ever get over what we experienced there. The only thing that has changed in their minds about my experiences are that now they believe the stories I told them when I came home after reading this forum.

I'm glad I found this site and that there are other girls out there like me who have experienced the wrath of the Camerons and know what I've been through.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 19, 2004, 08:00:00 PM
oh good to hear back from you again!...can relate to you lots.
Ms. patrick was gone by 1980? oh, wierd, i had heard that the patricks had moved to Oklahoma or some such. there is a boy that was on the farm there in 78, his name is Fountain , he runs the home i believe called, Bethel Boys...not clear, but 12 sets of parents are sueing Herman Fountain homes...of course with him growing up on the Roloff farm in Corpus we all can realize just where he got his training and philosophy...
remember of course Mrs. Yoder???
and minix and was Taco still there in 1980?...what about Sheri Compton?

Faye Cameron would have probably beaten her grandbabies and let them bleed and think it was something God was pleased with her doing...the idea of beating a child in Jesus name even to the point of making the skin break and may bleed, is anti-christ!...it is NOT the Spirit of Jesus Christ who has shown me such a gentle patience as he sat and waited for me to come to him and know that the Camerons didnt know who he was...obviously!...discipline is good,  but their whole take on it is evil!...not many other churches fear state oversight, cause most other mainline churches do not fear Government trying to run thier lifes, and or take the country over with communism...in fact most other church child care places WELCOME it, cause they dont have anythign to hide, ... sincerity in life and ministry dreads no inspection...

well, social skills have never been a plus sign in my life...lol....been on the outside looking in as far back as i know...
i think everyone who went thru that place left with some scars, some of us more and some of us less. each one has a unique story to contribute to the public awareness, as it is needing to be aware of these kinds of places that hide from Gov. oversight like it was demonic...they were all very paranoid that Gov was getting too communistic, HUH! they lived like a communistic cult!..makes you wonder if they all were doled out the same wages if they worked there...hum...would do me good to check on it i suppose..

hurray for you on the no skirt and dress stuff.,,go girl...i love dresses and skirts, but that is just my personality style, tho most times i wear jeans during week

 your family sounds like they dont get it, more than likely because it is painful to them to see see how bad it was...my family is that way, its taken a long hard road of patience on my part to get even my siblings to hear some of the truth...even my bro, who was in lighthouse, he still had to deprograme from thier brainwashing and find the truth to be set free...

i have been in counseling for going on 8 years, and it has made my family glad, cause I was getting well, but then they also were confronted with the horror of Camerons and Rebekah dorm life..etc
i am glad that your family is listening to you...for many years, i walked alone in my illness, they all assuming, it was all my fault...but time has proven that there is something wrong with roloff teachings..
thanks for writing on here again,
it takes time to heal, i know, been healing for quite a while...

if there is an effect, follow the string backwards, and the cause will be there....

later
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2004, 03:50:00 PM
Mac10 wrote:
I attribute my time there for making me less social, for making me feel more comfortable in my bedroom than anywhere else in my house or anywhere outside my house*****************************************************************************************************************************************

TingeOfPearl wrote:

This is also true of my years since 1978. I have lived most of my life in my house. I have moved in the world around me out there, but not in "normal" ways. My bedroom has been my spot to sit and study and seek out answers in reading and searching books, and meanings in things.

recovery for me has taken me down a long single road. I have had a counselor. But, The work of healing has been up to me.
Carrying the "Spirit" of Survivor upon me, has helped me to stay stiff against the currents of others who were ignorant of just what I have been up against.
a Fighting kind of "bulldog" sink my teeth into the belief that I can be all I was meant to be when I was first created. Not what Roloff demanded I be, not what Faye Cameron or Mrs.Wagoner or Minix or Wiley told me I "ought" to be or what thier wierd twisted views said I ought to be. but WHO GOD had originally created me to be to begin with.
Its those persons there in Rebekah and Roloff mindset thinking , that stole my mind from me, and pushed thier lies into my head, trying to snatch my soul for thier own little clownact show.
NOT God...they lied to me about who God was...
it was lies, and it is that which I have found out from my own searching and seeking after truth, that has set me free from thier lies that stole my mind and thoughts and ability to think my own way or have an opinion of my very own.

Knowledge is what they hated, they hated to let any in thier cult to have access to knowledge. Yet, the book of Proverbs that they love to quote, on some verses and ignore the rest of it,  tells us to seek out knowledge and to gain knowlege...
but these cult roloff people try to use fear to make thier followers run in fear away from anyone who wants to talk with them in rational reasonable ways.
Roloff cult pesons, love to give formulas that leave out facts, such as:
1+2+__+8-__=?.....
they do not promote cause and effect thinking. cause if they did, then thier followers would catch on to the fact that they are lieing and decieving and leading people down the road to hell and death adn misery adn bondage...

truth ALWAYS makes sense!
truth IS, and is not just a "formula"
truth pans out and is,
1+2+4+8-5 = 10!!

truth is like this calculation, and it adds up and pans out and always works all the way thru, cause it is REAL and solid and based on solid principles that WORK...not on overchewed screwed up twisted thinkings of man...

The dictionary and I have become the best of friends during my years of recovery. I have found out since healing that without a good websters at my side, I was nearly gonna always misread everything others were saying in the normal outside world, cause of the WORDS...the meanings of the words were scrambled in my stay at Rebekah home...
And when I began to define out clearly the meanings in words in what I heard and or read, things got much more hopeful for me...

in cults, they take words and kind of toss away the meaning that is correct and right, and then go and redefine the meanings and when you sit under that twisted upside down thinking for a year or even more, then it gets pushed into your mind of course, that is what they call, "brainwashing" and "Mindcontrol"...
to undo a lot of that, for myself, has been to search for truth, truth that pans out and makes sense and is defined according to a set definition by some authority such as the "Websters" dictionary, or any good dictionary...
simple tactic, but very effective...

well, that is my input for today...

later
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2004, 12:58:00 AM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/site/ ... s?id=85627 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/site/user-posts?id=85627)
 
What Is Christian Music?
 
      Posted by Between the Lines to RMrattlesnake
On Religion 05/16/2004 3:50:23 PM PDT #18 of 114

For years, before his death, Bro. Lester Roloff thundered that rock music is the most destructive influence on teenagers today, that it is so addictive it has a hold on them like dope, booze, tobacco, etc. And this is true of so-called "Christian Rock," or "Contemporary Music."
LOL. This article quotes Lester Roloff about what is Christian and what is not Christian. "Brother" Roloff (may he rest in peace) also proclaimed television, dresses that are not ankle length, movies and any co-mingling of boys and girls to be sins. And I am sure that if he had lived long enough he would (between child beatings) have proclaimed the internet to be a sin also. Roloff was a Fascist-like cult leader.

We should be very careful who we quote as an authority on what is or is not Christian.

In case you are not familiar with the Roloff Homes for Children (the Lighthouse for boys and the Rebbecca home for girls) let me give you a little background. In the early seventies abuse charges let to raid after raid of the Roloff homes and led to criminal charges and investigations that continue to this day, along with a never ending string of lawsuits. What types of abuse and crimes you might ask. For example: making boys run barefoot through briers and cactus, beating children with sticks, trapping boys in a 15 foot deep pit and then getting other boys to join them in urinating on the trapped boys and throwing rocks at them. Everything I mentioned has been proved and there have been convictions for them. Doesn't sound very Christian does it? And this article is going to quote him as to what is Christian?

The Roloff homes for Children are probably responsible for more nanny state legislation on children's homes that any other single cause. And every Christian children's home in the country today uses Roloff's example as an example of what not to do.
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http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:hy ... ary+&hl=en (http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:hy-VSgr5FZgJ:www.lancasterbaptist.org/resource/pdf/07-02.pdf+Wiley+B.+Cameron+Baptist+Military+&hl=en)

Wiley Cameron accepts the induction of Lester Roloff into the Baptist Heritage Hall.of Lancaster Baptist Church and West ...

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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2004, 01:38:00 AM
who flew over the BIRDS nest? was its room blue?
 ::blushing::  ::blushing::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2004, 08:04:00 PM
Hi to all , but am reposting because of my email address is out, the fadmail account is down and want to make my other email account available...
here is my original post i had posted to Liz...with my added p.s. for the yahoo email address...
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Hi Liz...and sisters...Patricia ALexander here...
Hi and I feel like I am nearly home to hear you on here...
been a long hard road to healing, I am now 40...
how are you?
please contact me...
would love to get reaquainted...

My experiences at Rebekah were detrimental to my mental and emotional wellbeing....
I have been in recovery for going on over 8 years...

Please contact me when you can...
[email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
thanks and hope to hear from you ...any  who would like to get acquainted or re-aquainted...
sincerly
Patricia Alexander ...Rebekah Survivor 1977-78

::)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2004, 04:37:00 PM
Hi this is Kelli, I was at Rebekah from Aug '83 to June '85.  I noticed that none of the posted messages are from anybody during that time....by then, the Camerons were running the whole ministry and Bro. and Mrs. Barrett were head of Rebekah.  She was a woman to fear!  One moment she was calling us her "little sugar-boogers" in this sickening sweet voice and the next she would get this evil look on her face and you knew you were in trouble!!!  The treatment there wasn't horrific abuse, mostly control and fear, there were definitely lots of "licks" and lock-up, girls had their mouths washed out with lye soap, clothespins stuck on their ears.  There was a lot of kneeling on linoleum for extended periods of time, humiliation etc.  Actually, I was told that while the Camerons were supervisors of Rebekah, Mrs. Barrett was the woman who did cleaning inspection, some of you might remember her, or her daughter who was apparently in Rebekah at that time......rumor had it that she was quite abused by her mother growing up.

When I first left Rebekah, I had a lot of emotional struggles, because I had bought into most of what was taught, ie. no pants, makeup etc and I went home and did it all anyway, feeling I was rebelling against God in doing so. That summer I overdosed on diet and water pills, wanting to just go to sleep and not wake up!  I enrolled in Bible College in the fall and struggled through the year on an emotional rollercoaster.  In later years, I hardened my heart against God and the church, but have since been able to put the past behind me and move on.  I found this sight today on a fluke and, boy, did it stir up memories!!!!  They aren't all bad either, I had 130+ close friends that I think of sometimes and wonder where they are now....Renee Mcknight, Michelle Cockrum, Michelle Caswell, "Buddha Belly", "Yogi", and so many others.  And there were workers who were good and cared for us, Mrs. Frye, Tom Dye (I had the biggest crush on him :smile:  ), Mrs Ruggles, Granny-Annie (mrs. Harmon), Miss Sue, and others.  I don't know if I think of myself as a survivor, there were lots of hurts, but time and maturity has mellowed my perspective some........
Time, and growing to understand the sovereignty of God - I don't know the whys of all that happened there and I in no way condone it, but I know that God allowed it in my life for His glory, and maybe that above all else has allowed me to accept it and move on......still, to find this sight brings out such nostalgic feelings, like I've lost some of my family and finally have a little glimpse of some of them again....

If anyone is out there from 83-85, I'd love to have some feedback.......
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 12, 2004, 01:28:00 AM
I was there when they were in Missouri. I just came across this site by chance tonight and have not really thought out or prepared what to type. But I would like to mention I do remember Mrs. Barrett and she was a mean one. I didn't understand then, but when I look back now I realize she must have been in menapause because it was VERY bad. I recall frequent slappings across the face, being called bitches and all of the pretty girls were her least favorite, always being  accusing we were after her husband. It was dreadful. I was there when "Bini" jumped out a 3 story window to escape and broke her back. I was there when one girl with severe epelipsy was accused of being possesed by the devil and we all had to gather round her and sing hyms until she stopped convulsing. I could go on and on.... It was a nightmare I will never forget. Used to wake up screaming, dreaming they were comming to take me away and put me in lock up. Then when I had my first child, a baby girl I used to dream they were comming to get her too. The Barretts weren't there for long after I got there, it was obvious Mrs. Barrett was having mental problems and they left. The Palmers came in after that to run the dorm, if you remember they had a daughter killed in the plane crash with Lester Roloff. They were nice people... compared to the Barrett's it was a big improvement. They were not abusive and never slapped us or called us names, but they did believe in the discipline and we were forced to attrend daily church, chanting Bible versus, etc. But I could tell they did care about us, very different from the Camerons also. I only met them a few times and I did go on tour with them for a few weeks. They were harsh, but I spent little time around them so I did not see alot of abuse from them. The whole system there was just very devestating to me and I had a very hard time adjusting. I would like to know if anyone from that time 86-87 has contacted anyone. Would love to talk to some other girls from that time, especially Sabrina Matthews or Jeanette VanAtta or Melanie or Ginny or Michelle from New Orleans (she was there twice, once in Texas and then again in Missouri) My name is Kim. Feel free to contact me @ [email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mikehunt on July 12, 2004, 08:47:00 AM
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On 2004-04-23 12:58:00, notworking wrote:



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Melanie said:
First of all, I too didn't have a period for the entire year I lived at the Rebekah Home. I think this happened because our life styles had changed so dramatically and our hormones where affected from this. Also, most of the food that was prepared for us to consume, were very healthy and good for us. Though, I do remember a lot of starchy foods as well, which is full of carbs, and explains why so many of us gained tons of weight. Too much weight gain or loss, can affect a womans/girls cycle. I for one was quite happy for not having to deal with having a period for a year. Who wouldn't be?




Well, an OB/Gyn wouldn't be, for starters.  What you're describing is called amenorrhea, a medical condition.  Weight gain or loss can cause you to skip a period or two, but not for a whole year.  That's a sign of something more troubling.  Either you were being fed hormones OR you were stressed to the point that your bodies were constantly flooded with adrenalin.  Women fleeing war or living in refugee camps often don't have periods because losing blood/carrying a baby could kill them.  Otherwise, if you go to the doctor and say "I haven't had a period in a year," s/he's gonna be concerned.



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Melanie said:
I stand corrected on the OB/GYN issue. Though, as an adult, when ever I had gained extra weight in the past, this would happen to me, like it did in the Home. I assumed it was "the" cause. I was wrong, and "thank you", for that info. I wonder if "Amenorrhea", has something to do with the fact that my husband and I haven't conceived a baby yet. But, thats another sad issue that perhaps, I'll have to overcome too~

this is thoroughly disturbing... of all of you women who went for a year without a period at this place, how many of you have conceived children?  i had a horrible bodily reaction after reading this; it's truly scary.

_________________
laura solomon
cedu vet. 1996-1999
RIP[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-07-12 05:49 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: juanitaAvery on July 12, 2004, 06:50:00 PM
I was in Rebekah in 1978 and 1979. I memorized the Bible verses, said yes ma'am and no ma'am and made myself available to go on visitations with Brother Roloff... he always took me to Baskin Robbins afterward. To this day, every time I have pralines and cream icecream, I think of him.
When I went home.. after my dad "kidnapped" me on a visit.. I did have a hard time adjusting. I remember my dad saying "you've seen both extremes.. now I want you to find a happy medium" Easier said than done. I am forty years old now and I still have the hardest time.
Wiley nor Faye Cameron were ever mean to me.. though I did get paddled one time for a washcloth being left on the tub. I was a room captain and the buck stopped here. But I did know about the lock up room and I heard stories through the grapevine.
I sang with the choir there and I remember that I loved that. I also remember putting vaseline on a toothbrush and applying it to my eyelashes as "pretend" mascara. No makeup was allowed.
And I do remember the fruit, though when I was there we didn't have trout on Sunday. We fasted on that day.
I too once had a list of everyone that was there when I was, but have lost it many years ago. I mostly remember Lori Lichet, Sheila (can't remember her last name, but she was from Tucson), Amy Roddy and Mary Lee Sullivan. Anyone that remembers me, please email me at [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Melanie on July 13, 2004, 01:16:00 AM
I appreciate your thoughts,"Mike", but really, it's no big deal. Life goes on. With or without having children of my own. If this fabled "Amenorrhea" is to blame or not. Not everyone is born to reproduce. It's just the way it is. The way it's always been. There are plenty of children to love in this world around me. And I will, with all of my heart.
 My periods have been right on time for many years now. It guess it just isn't meant to be.
I can handle that.
We're only here on earth for a short visit anyways. At least I think so.. I refuse to stress myself out over ANY thing from the past, much less the present. At least not for too long. I don't think it's "healthy", do you?
Life, is just to short to muddle around and question every little damm thing that has  affected us somehow if we understand where it came from or not.
Instead, I embrace what the good Lord has given me thus far~
To think too long on ones own depressing ideas,  stunts the growth of the child within.
We've come too far for that..I've come too far for that....
Thanks


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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2004, 10:29:00 AM
The only good ministry to me is the band  :grin:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mikehunt on July 13, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
my concern is what they were feeding you...  i want to know if the other girls who skipped their periods for a year have been able to have children.  i'm really hoping that was just a coincidence.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2004, 11:08:00 PM
laura...or is it mike?
well, I was curious as to why you are asking this question about how many of us survivors of this place who missed periods for a year, have been able to have kids.

curious about why you asked it
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 16, 2004, 02:39:00 AM
I was the daughter of a staff member in 1981-1982. You are telling the truth. You were hurt and abused and I am sorry for everything that happend to you all. I can't imagine anyone enduring in that hell without suffering from PTSD. If any of you decide to sue, and I hope that you do, I would be happy to testify to everything that I saw and heard. Or, if you just need to talk, I will listen.

My info:
Christine Woodman
25807 Frnaklin Street
Petersburg,VA 23803
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 16, 2004, 02:40:00 AM
I lost my period as well,when I was there. I had a horrible time getting and staying pregnant, and now at the ripe old age of 35 I am in early menapause.

We need some answers.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 16, 2004, 08:55:00 AM
do you recall the yellow stuff?? i do...


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Causes of Menstrual Abnormalities
It is important to understand that abnormalities of menstruation are a symptom, not a disease. If at all possible, an underlying cause should be searched for and treatment should be directed at the cause.

One of the most common causes of menstrual irregularity is emotional stress. Usually the precipitating factor is easily recognized and unless the problem is significant, no specific therapy of menstrual disturbance is necessary. It has been often stated that a woman's menstrual cycle mirrors her emotions and my clinical experience has more than justified this conclusion.

Further complicating the problem of the woman who is under emotional stress is the fact that, when they either see their family physician or sometimes a psychiatrist, they will be frequently placed on Prozac or drugs similar to Prozac. Any of the "psychiatric" drugs, but especially anti-depressants, may cause elevations in the hormone prolactin.

The "major tranquilizers" - drugs that are used to treat serious mental disturbances - very frequently cause an elevated prolactin level. Drugs of this category include Thorazine, Haldol and other similar medications. Women on these drugs frequently stop menstruating completely.

When a woman is on such a drug and is found to have an elevated prolactin, the question then becomes whether it was the emotional stress that caused her menstrual irregularity or whether it was a secondary effect of the medication that was being used to treat her emotional distress.

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Amenorrhea (Absence of Menstruation). Amenorrhea is the absence of menstruation. There are two categories: primary amenorrhea and secondary amenorrhea. Such terms are used only to describe the timing of menstrual cessation; they do not indicate any cause nor do they suggest any other information.


Primary amenorrhea occurs when a girl does not even start to menstruate. Girls who show no signs of sexual development (breast development and pubic hair) by age 14 should be evaluated. Girls who do not have their periods by two years after sexual development should also be checked. Any girl who does not have her period by age 16 should be evaluated for primary amenorrhea.


Secondary amenorrhea occurs when periods that were previously regular become absent for at least three cycles. [For more details, see the Well-Connected Report # 101, Amenorrhea.]
 
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Definition
Secondary amenorrhea is a condition in which menstruation begins at the appropriate age, but later ceases for 6 or more months in the absence of normal causes such as pregnancy, lactation, or menopause

The incidence of secondary amenorrhea (due to some cause other than pregnancy) is about 4% in the general population


FOUR PERCENT IN GENERAL POPULATION!!!!!!

Overview, Causes, & Risk Factors

Pregnancy is often the first thought when a period is missed, but there are many reasons for having a late period. Increased risk is associated with extreme and prolonged exercise (particularly without adequate conditioning), body fat content less than 15% to 17%, extreme obesity, and taking hormonal supplements.

Anxiety over a possible pregnancy may cause a missed period, thereby increasing the anxiety even further. Emotional distress from other causes can also cause a missed period.

Drugs such as busulfan, chlorambucil, cyclophosphamide, oral contraceptives, phenothiazines, and non-oral contraceptives (such as Norplant and Depo-Provera) can all cause scanty or missed periods. Also, procedures such as a dilation and curettage (D and C) can cause a woman to develop amenorrhea if scar tissue develops within the uterine cavity.

Early appearance of menopause may account for some cases (menopause is normal for women over age 45).

The incidence of secondary amenorrhea (due to some cause other than pregnancy) is about 4% in the general population.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mikehunt on July 16, 2004, 02:00:00 PM
i'm reluctant to say why i'm asking... i'm being speculative.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 16, 2004, 08:19:00 PM
hey mike, that is fair enough...
but you have REASON for your concerns...there have been things come to light in some of the other roloff homes, that point to some problems n this area of suspicious happenings of no periods...
thanks
GLAD YOU ARE POKING AROUND HERE, IT NEEDS TO BE POKED AROUND LOUD AND CLEAR..CAUSE THINGS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM TO BE...and never fear the lights cause lights bring understanding and that brings freedom .... and Justice!   ::rainbow::
they always kept the law and justice system tightly locked out, to hide what ever they felt that needed hiding....not everyone who worked there had a good heart..tho i do believe there were those workers who were sincere and honest, the little bit of leaven tho, ....geee...
glad you are poking round...
 ::bandit::

a rebekah survivor
 ::hatter::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2004, 11:33:00 AM
I was there from Jan of '83 till Nov. '85  I remember the names you posted.

I agree with what you posted about Mrs. Barrett and how things were there.  

email me [email protected]

Lori
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2004, 11:39:00 AM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/)

This is a group on yahoo.  We have many people from different times and many of the Roloff homes.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2004, 08:54:00 PM
any of you ever heard of a man named michael palmer or brother palmer????? former students of roloff schools say he used to work ther also wiley cameron runs a school in pace florida called new beginings sick huh?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Micks on July 29, 2004, 05:29:00 PM
Really..I cannot believe I am writing this.  I was there in 1976.  I was 15 years old, had lost my Mother a year before.  Not a good emotional time for me.  Unreal that as I sit here at age 43, I find this.  I was there-I was beaten by Madame De Sade otherwise known as Mrs. Cameron.  If anyone else has taken that same paddle beating by her, had you noticed that eveil almost sexually satisfied gleam she got in her eye by inflicting pain?  Or that fat bastard Brother Rick Banion? Anyone ever gotten his little gifts?

I remember and everything posted on here is true.  To those of you who remember what went on in that place as a "good experience" I say this-

You were allowed no books
No freedom of worship (or not to worship)
No Newspapers
Cultlike mindless recitation
Physical Abuse (Should you decide that you do indeed have a mind and can use it)

Do you remember???

I have not been too emotionally damaged by my experience there.  I actually have grown to become a woman I am happy with.  How weird though that I carry this with me all the time.  
Anyone else have this with them all the time?

Feel free to contact me.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2004, 09:23:00 PM
Thank you for posting Micks! I was in there 77
it is true!
anyone else out there have "questionable" memories? Those of us who went thru those wierd foggy things, need to have a place to tell and know we are not alone in that, and realize it happened to some others there too, not all of them, obviously, but some

am glad this forum is here!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2004, 11:19:00 AM
Is it true that Mrs. Cameron either went to jail or had a restraining order keeping her away from children under the age of 18? Does anyone know about this?

Micks
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2004, 02:17:00 PM
Hi again,

As I said I was there in 1976.  My mother had just passed away and I wasn?t doing to well emotionally at home.  My concerned but misguided aunt found the Roloff traveling road show and I was sent off to Rebekah.  Anyway-I am stronger for it but not because of values that it instilled in me.  It taught me at the tender age of 15 what intolerance, hatred, prejudice and zealotry could do.  I?ve kept that with me all these years and am much better for it.  At age 43, I consider myself happy, healthy and well-adjusted.  At 15 though, the evil that men do in God?s name was a confusing proposition for me. I remember after the initial shock (I come from a large urban area) of Rebekah itself I tried my best to adjust.  I was a smart kid and I liked to keep informed of the world situation (yes, political even then).  I asked for a newspaper-No-No newspapers.  How about a book then?  Only the Bible you Blue Eyed Devil. (These are my words)  Unaccustomed as I was to being without some form of printed matter, I began to read the Bible earnestly.  Which of course gave me all kinds of questions-It went something like this-Aunt Neener-If Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel and they populated the world then who did Cain and Abel have children with?  Aunt Neener said I was wicked to think such thoughts. I needed faith she said as she went back to sewing costumes for Brother Roloff?s traveling Roadshow.  PT Barnum had nothing on him. He had quite a money-making enterprise.  ?Mrs. Cameron ? says I about a week later, ?How could one man have possibly gathered on the species on earth on one boat when God flooded the earth??  She hissed (much like the snake) I think.  I digress but I did want to frame it up for you.  About 5 girls decided that they would tie up old Aunt Neener one night and escape I believe through the office window.  I was not involved in the planning nor was I going to escape but when several were caught (2 got away-for a few weeks at least) I was implicated as knowing about it.
Well-Mrs. Cameron finally had a reason to beat me (or give me ?licks? as it was known to us, which is what I am quite sure her thoughts actually ran to).  She hit me so hard and so furiously that she broke the paddle and broke a good strong sweat.  She also hit me above my buttocks on my lower back which gave me mild incontinence for a good month thereafter.  Still I could not be ?saved?.  Hmmm?. Anyway-Just a quick idea of who I am.  I saw the abuse.  I was locked in a darkened room once for 3 days to contemplate my wickedness.  I saw the racial prejudice when they roomed the black girls that were there (only 2 as I can recall) together and picked constantly on one of the girls. Handcuffed in fact under a sink in a lock up room for days.  I saw this myself.  I didn?t just hear of it.
Oh-Then there was the time we had turkey for dinner because 60 Minutes was doing a piece on Roloff.  As I recall, I was allowed nowhere near them.  Only the shiny happy faces in those red and white Aunt Neener costumes.  Anyone else remember any of this or was it a bad trip?

Micks
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2004, 08:50:00 PM
Thank You Micks!!
you go girl!!!

i applaud you for telling what you felt you  need and want to tell, .... God is all for the truth, and truth is what makes us free...



thank you Micks , you are awesome!!!

ty

mystery

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.---
---Sir Winston Churchill


 ::rainbow::  

When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber.---
---Sir Winston Churchill

THANK YOU FOR NOT RUNNING OFF....TY FOR SPEAKING UP
 ::cheers::  ::cheers::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2004, 09:02:00 PM
according to Texas Monthly Article of December 2001, a write up by Pamela Coloff...she wrote in that article taht Mrs.Cameron had been banned by the State of Texas to never set her self back into a child care facility in Texas ever again, the reason from i remember it said is that because of ALL the ALLEGATIONS of abuse...

there is a book written years ago, i think it is called, "Weeping in the Playtime of Others" or it might be, "weeping in the Playground of others"..not clearly recall, but it is a book about juvenile facilities...adn he says in his book, that he had done lots of research on many juvenile facilites, and that Lester Roloffs file in his filecabinet was the THICKEST file he owned, adn he did research on State facilities where we know that hell goes on there...but in Roloffs he had the MOST reports of allegations of abuse than anywhere else!

but if Faye and Wiley are in Florida now, operating the "New Beginnings Rebekah School"...THINK !!!!...they are just doing what they did in Texas but outside of the arm of the Laws of Texas, they have run to another "Bush" to hide...lol..sorry...taht was o so good, could not resist throwing in the Bush...
anyhow...
if they are in Florida, who is to say they are NOT doing what they did in texas??? like other stuff, hidden things, that noone has spoken out publicly about cause of fear and or being so drugged during the worst of it, taht they think thier memories are not real...etc...any out there get my "drift"?...

this forum needs to be a safe place to tell the truth about things,

thank you

--
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2004, 05:32:00 AM
If the Cameron's are in Florida running another Rebekah then that answers a lot of questions for me.  Hmmm...Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, Wiley and Flo Cameron...You decide.

LOL

Thank you for your kind words

Micks
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2004, 10:18:00 AM
any time Micks...you and all of us here are survivors of that place...some worse, some better, but nonetheless all of us survivors...

i think some of us at the dorm in Corpus were done some other kinds of wrongs...i hope some speak up and do not leave the stone in the path for others to stumble over...cause the camerons are busy in Florida now...

thanks

mystery

If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor.---
---Albert Einstein

 ::bandit::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 12:16:00 AM
WOW Micks!!I was there in 85-86 and Aunt Neener was still there!! All she did then was hand out "meds" at bedtime... I don't think I ever saw her other than that. But.... I do remember hearing a story that some girls had once tied her up too escape!! Ha! It was true!!
Ya know when I was there there was only 1 black girl... and she was so feaking out... she was really having a hard time adjusting to "life" in Rebekah... well she broke a bottle of perfume and got the glass and slit her wrist before anyone could move... I was in the room next door, ran in as soon as I heard the glass break and her wrist were slit before we knew it. Well they didn't even want to take her to the ER... but it was BAD.. they finally had to... but as soon as she was back a few hours later with her arms all stiched up they threw her in a locked room... they assigned me to go in a "watch" her one night. I was supposed to stay awake and watch her all night... well I slept! We talked some and both fell asleep... next day to my surprise my parents were there to get me after 10 months and 21 days. I somehow didn't have to stay my 1 yr. Thank God!! I always did wonder what happened with that poor girl, I don't even remember her name... she was so quiet and shy, and so hurt and confused at being left there all alone with a bunch of crazy white people!!
Another thing I was wanting to mention... do any of you think there something really weird about the peanut butter?? I mean it... did I imagine this or was it for real?? The first day I got there it was a Wednesday, peanut butter night... every girl in that place was so excited about eating PB that night.. it's all they talked about all day. I knew I was in a nut house... well that first night I did not eat the PB and a few girls fought over my plate... well by the next Wednesday I was hungry that day.. so I ate some but it tastes strange.. too sweet, I didn't like it so much, so once again... a few of the girls took over, well by that next Wednesday I was eating the PB and I couldn't get enough and by the next week I was talking like the others, so damn excited about  getting to eat that PB.. you would have thought we won the lottery we were so happy about it. I know there had to be something in there.. it was so strange. So after I got out I craved PB all the time.. ate it everyday... but it tasted so different.. it took awhile for me to stop wanting it.
I am now 33 and I would say I am very well adjusted to life, I am healthy, happy, have a good marriage and 2 beautiful daughters, I saw alot in the time I spent in that home. I don't know if being there helped make me what I am today, but I did see alot in that time I will never forget that has impacted my life. Each day is a bright and beautiful gift, full of freedom and choices that I treasure, because I know what it is like to have no freedom and not make any of my own choices. It is hell, and that is where I was for 10 months and 21 days.
In answer to some of the others questions... I also saw that Mrs. Cameron was not allowed to work in a child care facility in Tx... but it didn't seem to stop her from moving to Fla to do her evil there... it was the same when Rebekah was forced to leave Tx and go to Missouri... they don't stop they just move. It is really a shame they didn't ban her from working with children in the USA.I would really like to read that book mentioned... do you know the author?
I believe Mike Palmer was one of the "Palmers" sons.. the Palmers ran the Rebekah home after the Barretts left (due to Mrs Barretts mental illness) Their daughter was one of the passengers killed in the plan with Lester Roloff.

Kim
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 01:03:00 AM
wow Kim! you go girl! that is good to read your story here...i am also a survivor of rebekah home....
but it was very shattering to my spirit and will...
i recall about the PB ...every one did love it, i beleive they put Bee's Honey into it to make it that sweet... and i was in the home in the late 70's....
once Roloff flew us girls out to the intercoastal canal...something wierd happened when we got there and it had to do with the PB sandwiches...
i believe the PE Coach with us girls there on teh coast, adn we had JUST got there...then she says we have to go right back, and well, roloff himself had flown us...but we were waiting for the PB sandwiches from Wingert to arrive...
but after we were told we had to go right back, (we had only been there about 10 minutes), i have no memory jsut a blank hole, and no memory in all these years to tell me how i got back, when and in what manner ....
i am now in my 40's...that was when i was 14.

adn never in all these years have i ever been able to pierce the darkness of the blank hole in my memory...
there were only two ways to get to the Intracoastal canal, by boat or by plane...Roloff flew us out there, and that was an event for us girls, but the memory freezes into snow like a old tv set...then nothing but blank spaces...

except for years of PTSD flashbacks that tell a different tale...
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 01:21:00 AM
hey yo....they gave you MEDS at night in Rebekah in mid 80's?...thank you for saying this!...thank you Kim for saying it....

do you think it was like psyche meds? or was it for coughs and colds or what?.....

I have read that haldol and also thorazine have produced missed periods for the length of time a body is on it...i.e. for the entire year...
I have heard and read this...
I have also heard somewhere that in some of the other roloff shootoff homes these drugs were being fed to the girls, and I guess boys...without parental consent...I dont know.......................................................................................................sighs.....................

1+1=2 still , the last time I got my calculator out...


when I was there I recall two black girls, one from the Virgin Isles or somethign....she had that english accent adn an afro that was so kewl....she was a bit for Roloff to show off, cause she was not from just the "States"....

the other black girl was very much a talker and she loved to laugh...

thank you for sharing your story and your bits of information about the small details, it helps the others ....
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 01:50:00 AM
They always say time changes things, but... you actually have to change them yourself...Andy Warhol (1928 - 1987), The Philosophy of Andy Warhol

Change, when it comes, cracks everything open.
Dorothy Allison, O Magazine

you got some nut crackers????...is change pressure or is pressure change?

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction.
Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)


All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

wondering what Wiley and Faye are DOING right now as I typing.... :idea:

Justice delayed, is justice denied.
William Gladstone (1809 - 1898)

hummm.................

oh well, will stop here...

mystery
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 11:24:00 AM
Don't stop there-If in fact the Camerons are operating somewhere else we must do something about this!  

How many more girls 20 years from now will have to seek a website to vent their emotional damage from these people????

Micks
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
I am really unsure what the meds were... not everyone got them. I didn't... you could get cold medicine if you had a cold, or asprin if you had a headache. I know a few girls had epilepsy and got their med for that. We were also able to get pads then if we were on our period, or shampoo/conditioner. I know some of the girls were not sure what they were getting meds for, they were just supposed to go when they called "med call".
Thinking of the pads when we were on our period makes me laugh as I remember this... alot of us were used to wearing tampons.. well that was just unheard of in Rebekah... HA! Well I decided I could make tampons... I used maxi pads and took out the absorbant and used string from the crafts we had to cross stitch.. it really worked great and about 10-15 of us were using them for about 2 months (I look back now and I am not sure how sanitary or safe they were..oh well), but then someone told on me and I was on "confinment" for about a month....
Ya know it was like a totally different world there.. everything we did, how we improvised.. putting vasoline on our eye lashes for mascera.
I remember "Bible Memo" just chanting bible verses over and over everyday for an hr... to keep sane I finally came to where I could say the words but be in a totally different place in my head. I daydreamed when I was there like crazy, that was my only form of sanity... you could not trust many girls, so many would turn on you to get ahead, but I did meet a few that were true to the end that I wish I could see or hear from. We have a bond that you just can't understand unless you were there and went through it... I did go to the Rebekah Alumni web site to see if anyone I knew was there.. but I did not want to list my name, it seemed like the only ones listed were the "brain-washed success cases". As many of us that were there over all those yrs.. and only about 20 or less are listed on that Alumni.. that speaks for itself. Here is that web site if your intrested.

http://www.gospelguardian.org/gg/rhalumni.htm (http://www.gospelguardian.org/gg/rhalumni.htm)

I do wish there were something I could do about the Cameron's still being able to hurt more children. I found this story on the web last night and thought you guys may be intrested in it. It was written 2001.

http://www.nospank.net/colloff.htm (http://www.nospank.net/colloff.htm)

If any of you know any other good web sites to find information I would love to see them.

Kim
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 03:39:00 PM
Another good story I read last night is here, I thought ya'll might like to read it.... this woman was there in 1969 and they took her baby and gave it up for adoption... there is so much evil there. This story really touched me...

http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... ?read=1376 (http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cgi-bin/discussforum.cgi?read=1376)

Kim
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 04:04:00 PM
Hi Kim,

I was there from '83 - '85.  I wonder if we knew eachother.  This is Lori Schnabl.  I lived with the Palmers, I think they only had daughters.  I knew of the one that died in the crash and of another.  But a son?  I'm not sure.  I've forgotten a lot.

email me http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/)

Lori
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 04:08:00 PM
Was the girl from the Islands Maggie St.Clare (?)
She was a worker when I got there in Jan. '83

Lori
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2004, 12:42:00 AM
well, i do believe that is close to who i recall,
went and dug the old yearbook out to see if i could get her name correct...
it was:
Magdelene St.Fort...


and answering i think to Micks is the idea of doing something to cause the Camerons to be stopped again, Texas laws forbid Faye from working in a child care facility in Texas, that says TONS about Mrs. Cameron!!!...but they just go across state lines and onto one of their obviously hundreds (it would seem) compounds scattered across the states and more into Mexico!!...the Wagoners, went off to South Carolina to begin Harvest Christian there...plenty of abuses in that corner...remember Mrs.Wagoner anyone???...she was mean and looked it too...

Mike Palmer is a son of Micheal Palmer, (i have been told), (?????help mewith info here...??) he runs the Victory place in Florida...he is also a professional photographer...which if i my memory is correct there was a black haired hippie down on Corpus compound who knew waht to do with teh cameras...(catch my drift?)
uh....also Genesis by the Sea in Baha Mexico is a Palmer school and Palmer and Roloff were busom buddies...adn Palmers daughter died in that fateful plane crash wth Roloff....

i also remember a cabin and cattails...wierd? huh?..not sure, but remember a dock on the water too...anyone else remember these similar things....?

well you and us need to keep getting info out, for information will expose the deeds the Camerons are doing in Florida now...its up to us to post on this public forum to make a difference, what if there had been such a tool when we were in Rebekah??? then our parents might have read the posts and gotten us to some where else to be helped, etc...

Justice is served when the Victims are restored,
restored back to sanity, restored back to truth, restored back to thier place, adn validated for the truth of the thigns that happened behind closed doors, and not able to write home or call home...

btw...about the periods, are you saying then that you had plenty of periods there? that is a powerful thing to state, cause it shows you at least adn others around you taht you were not being fed any psychotrophic meds...at least not thorazine,
i personally do not recall having or not having periods, way back then...but i DO recall one time every one in the darn dorm was on it at the same time, it stunk!! the entire dorm smelled like it...adn of course cant open them cemented windows...YUK!!...

remember, write, tell, and save a few more girls from the abuses of Faye and Wiley...


i remember the PB in the kitchen, when we would be on duty in kitchen it was the delight of our nigth to raid the pantry and get a spoon and start to dig into the PB and help ourself to the best of it all...lol....

:smokin:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2004, 12:52:00 AM
::smokingun::

If the truth doesn't save us, what does that say about us?
Lois McMaster Bujold, Diplomatic Immunity, 2002


An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826), letter to John Melish, January 13, 1813


Our lives improve only when we take chances - and the first and most difficult risk we can take is to be honest with ourselves.
Walter Anderson


sorry...just had to throw in a few more quotes...i do so love them, they have a way of summing up the essence of a truth and satisfying deep in...

 ::blushing::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2004, 10:55:00 AM
Yes, when I was there we were all having periods...they were not regular, but that is normal for teenagers anyway. I don't recall anyone saying they were not having one. There was only one girl not getting her period, but it ended up she was pregnant and got sent home. It was her second time in the home. Now, keep in mind, when I was there the home had already been kicked out of Texas and we were in Missouri, I don't know if they had the same resources they had on the farm, as in the form of their "special home grown foods". They did send us some food from the farm but a church there in Kansas City was providing most of our meals for us. I do remember them telling us that these foods were just not as good as what they used to get on the farm. I do know that when the church brought the peanut butter it was not the same as the special peanut butter they made for us there.
Another thing we had a problem with there, we all had little red bumps all over our legs that we scratched like crazy. Some girls worse than others but almost all of us had it. Some girls legs were just big welps of red and bleeding... and we could not stop scratching. Mine were small red bumps around my ankles and calves, we thought it might be an alergic reaction to something, maybe the laundry detergent (the cheapest stuff) we all had to use. But a few girls were able to have their parents send in good detergent and a staff member would give it to them to use on their laundry day, and it made no difference. When I got out I went to the doctor and they could not figure out what it was.. but said their best guess was it was nerves. Said I just had to make the concious decision to stop scratching, try to stay low stress and it would go away. I worked at it, and stopped scratching and it did go away after a couple of weeks. But that is so unusual that we all had the same reaction.. I can't explain that.
I remember a worker there, Miss Maggie... she was a black woman, she only came to Missouri after the Palmers had taken over there and was only there a couple of months before I left, so I didn't get to know her very well, but from what I do remember I did not like her at all. She was mean and cold and played favorites. Her favorite girls got extra snacks and goodies or trips outside, and she made it very clear if she didn't like you.

Kim
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2004, 12:51:00 PM
That was her name.  She had already gone through the home by the time I got there, but came back from time to time to work.  It seem like she may have gone on tour with us one time.

Lori
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: betty277 on August 10, 2004, 07:53:00 PM
who are the palmers sons?a man named mike palmer could have been one of them?its very important do you know what years it might have been??????anyone its so very important
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 10, 2004, 08:41:00 PM
All our progress is an unfolding, like a vegetable bud. You have first an instinct, then an opinion, then a knowledge as the plant has root, bud, and fruit. Trust the instinct to the end, though you can render no reason.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

i have been told by sources that Mike Palmer is son of Micheal Palmer Senior, and i have been informed that Micheal Palmer Sr. was best buddy with Lester Roloff....

also have been informed that Mike Palmer of Jay florida, is a professional photographer...

when i was in rebekah home, about 26 years ago, there was a black haired hippy on the roloff compound, but i remember he took my picture , and it was wierd, it seems to me we were at a SHIPPING DOCK or warehouse....
hum.....

lots of wierd things went round ...
 :idea:  

Truth is what stands the test of experience.
Albert Einstein
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 10, 2004, 08:58:00 PM
hey found this and will post some in parts...i past in just sections to the article..not the entire article...cause of copywrite laws...

 TALLAHASSEE DEMOCRAT
 
PRIVATE REFORM SCHOOL FLOURISHES IN FLORIDA
VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY MOVED TO THE MORE CONSERVATIVE
PANHANDLE AFTER CALIFORNIA TOLD IT TO GET A LICENSE OR CLOSE.

Sunday, February 23, 1997
Section: LOCAL
Page: 9B
Bill Kaczor THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

 Illustration: B&W photo

Caption: JERRY KOVACH/The Associated Press
Students work silently on their individualized lessons at Victory
Christian Academy in Jay. The private school moved to Florida after California
threatened to shut it down.
------------
 Victory
 Christian Academy.
The fundamentalist school for girls moved to Jay, an isolated farming town
 in the Panhandle, five years ago from Ramona, Calif., in a cloud of
 controversy over its methods and refusal to abide by state regulations.
 -----------------
 Its 76 beds are usually filled and the Rev. Mike
 Palmer,
 the school's director,
 ----------------
 Victory Christian is one of a growing number of, in effect, private reform
 schools, many with religious ties, being established across the nation.
 --------------
 Palmer, an Independent Baptist minister, closed the Ramona facility rather
 than submit to state regulation in 1991, ---------------------

 Two years earlier, the former professional photographer had pleaded no
 contest to operating an unlicensed community care facility and was placed
 on
 probation. When he continued operating without a license, authorities
 raided
 his campus and returned to court in an effort to close him down.
----------

The California Department of Social Services accused Victory Christian of
 punishing girls through solitary confinement in a tiny ``get right'' room,
 mishandling prescription drugs and violating fire codes. Officials also
 questioned Palmer's practice of isolating new students from their parents.
 
---------------
 The agreement was
 for Palmer to get licensed or shut down. -------------
 ``We as Christians felt that we could not operate under the requirements
 of
 what Social Services wanted,'' Palmer said.
-----------

 
 -------------

 California Deputy Attorney General Beth Jacobs, who handled the 1991 case
 against Victory Christian, recently said if the school is operating in the
same manner ``it would be a very scary place.''
 Palmer said such views are based on erroneous perceptions from the past.
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

later'
 :cry:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 10, 2004, 11:23:00 PM
::bangin::   Write to the town councilmen or the person who is selling the property to Jimmie Clark and anybody and everybody you can think of to tell them about Wiley & Fay Cameron and what REALLY goes on behind the LOCKED doors of these 'Roloff' facilities.
AND
God, please, help those poor children, even if it means sending a bolt of lightning  - or even hundreds or thousands - to strike those who are hurting the children - They are YOUR CHILDREN, GOD - set them FREE - PLEASE. Amen. ::mecry::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2004, 11:45:00 PM
Hi , I am a Rebekah survivor. Before going to Rebekah I had been abused badly, and sexually abused and tossed like a volleyball back and forth between family homes in my family system.
At the age of 14, (1977), after being tossed and ripped to pieces by my family war in my family. I tried to kill myself with slashing my wrists, my plea and silent scream for help. I did that in the high school bathroom. So, I know even tho I walked around  living in a major world of depression , I did it in the school bath , I feel cause I was crying out for help and that seemed the most likely place to get help it seemed.
They put me in the regular medical hospital, and tried to evaluate me. Nobody knew that I had been sexually abused by an adult family male member and noone knew the torment I was hiding deep inside, trying to find my way thru it all. I got totally lost. (in the 70?s nobody talked about such things),..While in the hospital I did certain things to gain adult attention which I needed desparately. But to the doctors, I suppose it was odd behaviour, but if I were that doctor, now that I am adult, I would say, ?There is something not right, and its as if she is screaming for help?

Well, after 3 and a half weeks in that hospital, my parents had talked Roloff into taking me in and on. My parents did not have a lot of money, but Roloff took me in.
I recall sitting across from Lester Roloff in his dark office in the front of the church.  I truly WANTED to go there, cause it seemed the only way out for me to be safe and not get tossed back and forth between homes. So I acted ?tough? and hard. I wanted him to see me in a way , so then he wouldn?t turn me out and away.

But, once I had gotten in, and as the year progressed, ?actually I had gone into my death camp, not a place to help me heal. It was not the safe haven I had hoped for. Not at all. My mother now tells me that she wishes with her whole heart that she had LISTENED to her gut reaction when she met the Camerons. But she instead ignored her gut reaction to them and just took their words on blind trust. She tells me to this day that she had been having gut instincts telling her something was not ?right? when she met Faye Cameron. But she ignored it and trusted them.

You see, Roloff and his mindset saw me as a girl who was rebellious and NEEDED to be TIED and needed to be mind controlled, and needed to be beat till my bottom was bleeding and blistered. But you see, he saw me all wrong, I was not a wicked jezebel, nor was I living on the streets, I was lost, you see?I had no clue how to be okay, I was hurting deep inside, and I acted out my pain in my immaturity. But they saw that as me being in need of reform and forced submission to God and them. They failed to see that I was sick and ill, with broken heart and ripped soul,  and in need of a caring environment, not a ?juvenile facility?.

During my year there, many things transpired. I do not have clear memory of it all, especially the first six months, tho I am sure I was there, there is a lot of areas of time that are unaccounted for.

After getting out , I just cried in the back seat of the car all the long drive from Corpus back to our hometown. Just wept I did, to be going home, that they had really come to get me, and had really come and I was really really going home.

You see, a child cannot be something she is not taught. I was raised in a lot of chaos and improper boundaries, and I was not given proper boundaries, many of the adults in my child home were busy in a war of their own with each other and being the youngest I was like a volleyball. My dad was highly unstable, and very very violent. And my mom was depressed and very much pushed under the wieght of a large family and a husband like my dad.

After leaving Rebekah and after my year of Roloff treatment, I came home, but my soul never came to the surface again, I never smiled, never. I would walk the streets of our little neighborhood with a ghost town look of nothingness. Merely catatonic and without any thing showing for anyone to pull me out with.

I would sit and be a zombie and catatonic. I had not really any ability to think for myself. I had no expression on my face anymore, I was ghost town. And never could connect to others around me and relate to them, nobody understood, ..you see, I was BROKEN all the way to my core of my soul?and I did not realize I was this way, it just was. But BEFORE Rebekah Home for Girls under the wieght of the Camerons, before that?.I was not that way..I was depressed  and was floundering, but I still could see the world around me and connect. Very much so?

I was in Rebekah home in 78. When I came home, I was never to be seen above the surface again. It appeared to any who looked at me that I had checked out and noone was there inside me anymore.

It was not till I turned 30, that I began to unthaw?I had brought two babies into my world, two beautiful babies?and the cry of LOVE was pulling me to them, I kept thinking deep inside ?down in the shattered pieces of my soul that lay like broken glass at the bottom of a well?I kept thinking, ?I cannot abandon them, emotionally I can not NOT be here for them??.cause I knew somehow I knew that I was not out there with them, I was miles under in the broken soul that lay in shatters in me.

So began the call to heal, it came to me thru my babies?I had to come out to the surface of life for THEM?
And so I began my journey to healing, and it has been hard work, it has been scary, it has been intense, it has been filled with fear, with pain, with joys, with turbulence, but it has been worth it too, cause the day I began to heal and come out?and SAW my children from that level, from the more up to date dimension?I cried, cause I realized how beautiful they were, and how far down deep inside I had hidden for o so long?

But during my years of healing work, I went thru some rough PTSD. And there in those years of PTSD, lay memory fragments of hells untold yet. Of things from the Roloff Girls Home that pointed and indicated far worse things than they ever wanted to come to light.

I had many things come to surface during that PTSD phase,  But I have not publicly spoke out. But today I am saying that there was more than meets the eyes there. Okay?

Today I am more healed than I ever thot possible, I am 41 now, and it has been a long duration between my 15th year and now. Long time to heal and become whole at what was done to me.
Roloff Enterprises and things done shattered my faith, like it was shipwrecked. I recall once during my early adult years, how I had watched the old film of days gone by called, ?The Sound of a Distant Thunder? I believe is the name of it, I watched it as a young married woman and a christian woman and a faithful churchgoer..I would watch it and I would sit there, and my legs would tremble badly, and I would say the sinners prayer over and over and over and over again, BUT I COULD NOT BELIEVE < I  HAD BEEN  RENDERED UNABLE TO BELIEVE AND GRASP GODS LOVE TO ME?
So I would go back to living my life of hermit in my house, and go to church three times a week, surely making Roloff a proud testimony of what he did for me, cause..gee?.I was ??DOING?? all the ?right? things?
BUT, I was a dead woman with broken shattered bones laying deep inside, hardly understanding normal reality around me, walking with unseeing eyes and never ever connecting to people around me. Having lost the connecting thead of TRUST when put into Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls.

Now at the age of 41, God has come thru for me. I one day in the midst of trying to heal, right around the age of 31ish, I went to the altar of my church and I was not able to trust God , nor believe that he had good safe intentions to ME, but I had a couple of pages of scriptural prayers, and I prayed them daily for two weeks straight to God my Maker. I felt as if I were going to the King in charge of all the land, and I was the tenet and was wrecked and needed him to pay attention to ME and help ME. So, I approached God in this manner, with the first base being, that HE HAD MADE ME therefore HE WAS TO HELP ME and if he made me to begin with then he could certainly Remake me, for I was so broken and so shattered.

God has been very good to me, and he has indeed been busy remaking me and he has been bringing me out to the surface of Life and teaching me that he came to give me life and life more abundantly. To live and breathe and move and smile and link smiles from my eyes to others eyes, and to laugh and sing and ENJOY my life he has given back to me, for this is what God is REALLY all about. He did NOT come into the world to put us in ?jails?, and bound us up hand and foot, nor to whip us, or tie us to bedposts , or beat us with many stripes, nor make us sit and numbly memorize scripture without personal help and meaning. Nor constantly remind us how far bad we are?but he came to tell us the good news that he has an abundant life to show us for ourselves.  A life filled with joy and happiness, a life that is Blessed and not cursed. A life where he can take them curses that were slew upon us and turn them around to a blessing for us and help us to become a blessing to others around us. To prove to us that the years of condemnation can and are to  be made void and we are free to live a life of blessing and joy. Not a life of fear or mental illness.

Sincerely,
[email protected]

 ::rainbow::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2004, 05:00:00 PM
That woman was a piece of work.  She did indeed have mental problems, and I've heard that she now owns a tv set (oh, the horror!).  I was reading through Melanie's many responses and defensive stance for the homes.  All I can say is you were not during this woman's reign of terror.  I do not undermine everyone else's experiences, for we were all exposed to the humiliation and mind control in there.  This woman, however, was abusive in any sense of the word.  She was sadistic, and even admitted to having been abused as a child.  So, of course, a lot of her disciplinary methods were over the top.  I won't go into details, but I can tell you of punishments that would have sent anyone to jail.  
Also, the period question...I've been to boarding school, boot camp, group homes in Spain and it has never, ever happened again.  I had problems in my reproductory system and know several of the girls have had hysterectomies, so I am quite sure it wasn't stress that was making us skip periods.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2004, 09:45:00 PM
Hi Kim

I was in Rebekah from '83 to '85. What is your last name? I'm just curious if I know who you are. You should go and sign up for our group at yahoo.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/)

There are quite a few of us from the time period that you were there. Oh by the way my name was Becky Latimer but now I go by Rebecca Low

Hope to see you in there
Rebecca
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2004, 03:17:00 AM
In reply to your question about Bro. Roloff giving licks to the Rebekah girls - he did not it was Mrs. Cameron or one of the female staff who gave out the corporal punishment.  Mrs. Cameron and Miss. Sue were known for giving the hardest licks.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2004, 08:53:00 PM
Roloff was and still is in his deadness an idol of worship for those who worship fundamentalism and fear ...

God is a God of love and correction, but not breaking of spirits....Jesus came to seek and save the lost, not destroy them!!!! Jesus said his yoke is mild and to come to him for REST...not beatings and forcing you to bow your knee or else...what idocy...Jesus is a Gentle Shepherd! he does not and is not and never has been interested in terrifying his own sheep...LOL...ROFL....

choose you this day who you will serve, God or roloff?

not everyone got to go to the hells nests....but those who were taken there know what i am talking about....

the fear of roloff has held thousands in its deadly grip...time to speak up survivors..time to know you are not in this alone...

if the fear of a mere man who was filled with boastings and pride, who defied all authority that he could do his dastardly deeds in darkness....if the fear of a man so ill in his head, is holding you in its grip, realize for one , it can come off ...and the fear of God is not such as torments, but teh fear of God is clean and brings peace and wholeness...

was listening to a man preach the other day...geeezzz...the guy was preachign a roloff sermon....teh famous Dr.Law and Dr.Grace....LOL....cant these modern funamental slaves find thier own juice? who wants left overs all teh time???....

Roloff is dead...why keep him alive? why worship at the feet of a man who was totally messed up in his mind, who could not come under any authority adn was a picture of pure rebellion against the laws that God ordained to be there???

the BIBLE says to DEFEND the children who are rendered orphans, WHAT????? did roloff miss this one??? it says to defend them, for they are without parental covering, they are what the Bible calls, "Fatherless" the oppressed, and God is on the side of the fatherless and oppressed, for he says to us to DEFEND THEM, not whipthem or deal with them in harshness, but to admonish in love and gentle firm corrections...NOT tieing them to beds, not forcing them to bow to a God they cannot see or understand, not beating them till thier skin is broken and bleeding....not locknig them up in a lockup room to go bezerk alone in isolation....

Roloff DISOBEYED GOD , by NOT defending those who are without parental protection, those who by roloffs ways himself were rendered ORPHANS...God was fuming and God can see the day coming, where Justice will be done...

now to some of the survivors roloffs abuses were a shade better than the families they come from, adn so roloff may seemed safer of two evils....

says how sad it is that the families who promoted roloff were so ill themselves....

but, there is way too much carnage....way too much damages, way too many people who never found God and his love while living under the dreadful fear of roloff the very ill man.....






 ::smokingun::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2004, 02:15:00 PM
Hey Rebecca, my name then was Kim Baker.
I did go to the link and requested to be in the group, thanks for the info!

Your name does not sound familiar to me... I think I must have gotten there after you left, I got there March 19,1986.. I think... gosh that seems like a lifetime ago... and I left in January of 1987.
We know some the same people though... I was trying to think of some of the girls who were there awile when I got there...
Where you in Missouri??
Do you remember..
Lori Higgenbothem?
Michelle Dupre?
gosh.. I am so bad with last names... I remember all of their first names..
How about Jenny Jones?
you can email me at  [email protected]

Kim
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: sarah21 on September 15, 2004, 08:26:00 PM
Amen girl!! you tell them... all of this stuff about GBS and VBA abusing you and everyhting else is LIES!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2004, 08:15:00 PM
huh?why did you post that statement here?how bizarre this is a roloff thread, as i have stated before i cannot see how you deem either program abusive or not sarah.You yourself have openly admitted to not being a student there so how would you REALLY "know" this baffles me.I think what you are trying to say here is that you never witnessed abuse correct? Because that would be alot more logical.You have stated that you are friends with the cookstons i think? well the cookstons were not the only employees sarah, please do not ever dismiss abuse sarah because in your own words you were not there.I strongly urge you to think before you speak and for gods sake have consideration for others feelings besides your own. Oh and by the way it is VCA not vba.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2004, 10:34:00 PM
Quote
On 2004-09-16 17:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"huh?why did you post that statement here?how bizarre this is a roloff thread, as i have stated before i cannot see how you deem either program abusive or not sarah.You yourself have openly admitted to not being a student there so how would you REALLY "know" this baffles me.I think what you are trying to say here is that you never witnessed abuse correct? Because that would be alot more logical.You have stated that you are friends with the cookstons i think? well the cookstons were not the only employees sarah, please do not ever dismiss abuse sarah because in your own words you were not there.I strongly urge you to think before you speak and for gods sake have consideration for others feelings besides your own. Oh and by the way it is VCA not vba."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2004, 07:27:00 PM
wish i could remember clearer, its so long ago....about the missing periods, i do recall that once all of the girls in the entire dorm seemed to be on thier periods, adn with the windows all cemented down, the dorm took on the stench...UYUK!.....

wierd, that we all had it around the same time....

but it took me almost two years to conceive my first child...

hum....

*i thinkin here....*
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2004, 09:05:00 PM
I am a survivor of LBT (longview baptist temple) 1977-1986.  Bob Gray is the pastor there.  I am currently fighting a new battle against this place for sexual (and other) abuse.  When I was 13 my Dad threatened to send me to Roloff Homes- I was not doing anything wrong at the time, I was in a IFBx church and school, but to them I was rebellious and needed help.  The Rebeccah Girls used to visit our church all the time and I had a friend who had gone there and said it was unbearable.  I just read all your posts and I am so sorry and I am trying to find a way to link all these things to gether and get it out into the light- lbt/roloff homes/jack hyles..etc- I will keep watching the site for more interesting info.  If these people ARE operating in FL as you say, I would love to do whatever I can to help shut them down also.  If there are any other LBT survivors out there- contact me at http://www.fundamentalistforum.com (http://www.fundamentalistforum.com) under Texas Baptist College (LBT) various threads on vatious themes... but lots of interesting abuse stories as well.  Blessings to you all.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2004, 10:52:00 PM
Hyles preached Roloffs funeral...
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2004, 10:54:00 PM
Dwayne Walker of Playmates Who Love the Lord: Interview
... "Dwayne, you seem like a smart guy. ... Mr. Walker The future? ... Based on stories
from Lester Roloff's home for girls. Horrible stuff. ...
http://www.postfun.com/pfp/news/iviews/walker.html (http://www.postfun.com/pfp/news/iviews/walker.html) - 20k - Cached - Similar pages
 
 
http://www.postfun.com/pfp/news/iviews/walker.html (http://www.postfun.com/pfp/news/iviews/walker.html)
Mr. Walker
The future? Let me see, I'd like to get people out of their houses and into the porno theaters where they belong! Yeah . . . that's it! I want to bring back porno chic . . . maybe, dare I say, a religious themed porno movie?!

Not so far fetched. Tried it before with a really bad bondage movie called THE BAPTIST BRIDLE starring Trinity Loren. Based on stories from Lester Roloff's home for girls. Horrible stuff. I can't tie a person up to save my life. Next time, I'm gonna hire real professionals! I don't even want you TO SEE this movie because it's so bad.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2004, 10:59:00 PM
http://www.herbertwarmstrong.com/ar/AR18.html (http://www.herbertwarmstrong.com/ar/AR18.html)
THE MENGE MYSTERY

Penthouse magazine is not the kind of magazine to which we would normally refer readers, but an Ambassador Report subscriber recently brought to our attention a Penthouse article which we found extremely revealing. The thoroughly researched, lengthy article appeared in the November 1981 issue of that publication (p. 63) and was written by L. J. Davis and Ernest Volkman. While the article was ostensibly about religion superstar Jerry Falwell, it really dealt more thoroughly with the affairs of F. William Menge.

Menge was described by Penthouse as a "confidence man and convicted tax evader, sometime associate of known drug smugglers. A former Falwell ministry board member and adviser." But Falwell was not Menge's only preacher contact. Among his other religious contacts were evangelist James Robison, Pat Robertson of the "700 Club," and TV evangelist Kenneth Copeland. Other contacts included Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and top officials in Israel. But what we find most intriguing about Menge is his near acquisition of Ambassador College, Big Sandy, Texas. Here is what Penthouse wrote (p. 186) about that episode:

"Menge and [Menge associate, TV stuntman Jerry] Spicer - who had formed his own Lynchburg company, Exodus Tours - traveled to Israel. Just what happened there is a little confusing. According to an account provided for Penthouse by Spicer, Menge made contact with two Israeli gangsters who had connections with the Miami mob, but Spicer does not say what the nature of the contact was, only that he 'exposed' it.

"As usual, Menge was thinking big. He opened negotiations with El Al Airlines to move thousands of Christian tourists. He negotiated with others to purchase planes, perhaps even a small airline. It had the earmarks of turning into Menge's biggest scam yet, but there are indications that it was much worse and much stranger than that. 'It all comes around now to what all these airplanes were really going to be used for,' Spicer told Penthouse. Spicer is very cautious when speaking on the subject, but he will add one thing more. 'With the airstrip,' he says, 'Christian City would be a multibillion-dollar deal.'

"Spicer is talking about Ambassador College in Big Sandy, Tex., a campus and 5,200-foot airstrip that Menge was negotiating to purchase from the Worldwide Church of God for $10.6 million. It was Menge's plan to build a Christian city there - first, it was rumored, for Jerry Falwell, then for James Robison, and finally for the fundamentalist Brother Lester Roloff, who gave Menge $500,000 that he never saw again. (On the other hand, Roloff is reported to have raised $6 million during his unsuccessful campaign to buy the campus. If so, he is hardly in a position to kick.)

"In the end, with his empire collapsing, Menge couldn't swing the deal, and it fell through, but it is not without its features of interest. Menge first stirred serious law enforcement interest when vans were used to transport marijuana and his known associates turned out to be more than a little crooked. Menge made contact with criminals in Israel, and he allegedly had other contacts in Colombia, prime source of much of the world's cannabis. He was trying to buy some airplanes, and Spicer hints that they were not for the tour business. (Recently published reports have indicated that the mob is moving a portion of its marijuana and brown Mexican heroin operations from Florida to Texas. Big Sandy is midway between Dallas, a lucrative market, and Baton Rouge, a big mob town in a big mob state. In the back of Menge's mind was undoubtedly some use of the 5,200-foot airstrip at Ambassador College. A Christian City would be a splendid, perhaps impenetrable, cover for a major smuggling venture. Although nothing can be stated with any certainty, Spicer is entirely correct when he says that it could be a multi-billion-dollar deal.)"

As bizarre as it may at first sound, Penthouse's speculation on Menge's plans for the Big Sandy campus are well-founded. Recent newspaper articles have also alleged that Tyler, Texas (right near Big Sandy), has within the last few years become a major drug smuggling center. Some experts say that because of Tyler's proximity to the bayous of Louisiana, Tyler could soon become almost as important in drug smuggling operations as Miami and Tucson are at the present time.

The Penthouse story raises a number of interesting questions that could be put to Menge. Unfortunately, Menge can no longer answer those questions, for on Sept. 6, 1980, he was killed in a macabre accident. According to the Penthouse article:

"At about 1:30 p.m. that day, Menge decided to mow a field of grass adjacent to his bankrupt estate in Forest, Va., a suburb of Lynchburg. The reason, it is said, was that he planned to take his children to a picnic there, although people in Lynchburg remember that his children did not appear to have been home. Further, it was snake-and-chigger season in Virginia, and Menge possessed a perfectly adequate swimming pool and picnic area much closer to his house.

"His blood was later found to contain an alcoholic content of .02 percent, not unusual in itself except that Menge was not a drinking man and was not in the habit of keeping alcohol around the house.

"The instrument he chose for the task was a rotary mower called a bush hog. A wicked piece of machinery, it is towed along behind the tractor and is powered by its drive shaft. As Menge drove around the field, according to the official report, one or more of the wheels of the tractor and a blade of the bush hog are supposed to have struck some old utility poles concealed in the grass, causing Menge to bounce into the air. As he did so, the spring that supported the tractor seat is supposed to have fallen out. Menge is then supposed to have fallen back onto the springless seat and tumbled over backward without getting his feet tangled in the pedals or steering wheel, which he is also supposed to have stopped holding. Menge is then supposed to have fallen to the earth, where the bush hog ran over him, severing his left hand and right forearm, shattering and virtually severing his right leg, and fracturing his skull.

"People fall under bush hogs with depressing frequency - like many farm implements, they are not things to fool around with - but Menge's death is an unquiet one. When the tractor was found, stalled in the field, it was in high gear. A tractor in high gear will not cut a field very well, and there are many fields a tractor in high gear cannot cut at all.

"This is not to say that Menge was murdered, but there are enough unanswered questions and curious circumstances to render the official version of his death very nearly inoperable. For reasons that have never been explained, two FBI agents briefly investigated the Menge death, although there was no discernible federal jurisdiction. The FBI refuses to discuss why the agents were there."

The unwitnessed accident occurred just days after Menge was quoted as saying that he was going to "tell all" and that people were "going to go to jail." It has not been proven what he meant by those statements.

Nor has it been determined whatever became of all the money he swindled. At his death Menge was supposedly broke, but Penthouse asserts that during the last few years of his life he swindled over $9 million. Included among the many individuals, banks, ministers, and churches he conned is at least one Armstrong follower. According to the June 23, 1981, issue of The Record (of Hackensack, New Jersey): "Buck Hammer, Herbert Armstrong's son-in-law, says he's out $20,000 after investing in an invention Menge was promoting that would recycle garbage into mulch."

One person who Menge was not able to con, however, was Stan Rader. You will recall (Ambassador Report, March 1979, p. 13) that when Menge tried to purchase the Big Sandy campus in 1978-79, he lost his $500,000 deposit when he was unable to come up with the balance on the deal. As the $500,000 was contractually nonrefundable, the WCG (or persons associated with it) made an easy half-million while Menge's associate, Brother Lester Roloff, took the loss.

The Penthouse article ended with this interesting observation:

"Among others, his funeral was attended by Jerry Falwell and Mrs. Falwell. However, Falwell did not deliver a eulogy. That task was reserved for the Revered James Robison, the same Texas evangelist whom Menge had called before his death. He did not mention what, if anything, Menge had told him."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2004, 11:06:00 PM
??????????????????????
just the two most interesting paragraphs in print here..... ::smokingun::

"Spicer is talking about Ambassador College in Big Sandy, Tex., a campus and 5,200-foot airstrip that Menge was negotiating to purchase from the Worldwide Church of God for $10.6 million. It was Menge's plan to build a Christian city there - first, it was rumored, for Jerry Falwell, then for James Robison, and

*****finally for the fundamentalist Brother Lester Roloff, who gave Menge $500,000 that he never saw again. (On the other hand, Roloff is reported to have raised $6 million during his unsuccessful campaign to buy the campus. If so, he is hardly in a position to kick.) ****

 ::puke::  

One person who Menge was not able to con, however, was Stan Rader. You will recall (Ambassador Report, March 1979, p. 13) that when Menge tried to purchase the Big Sandy campus in 1978-79, he lost his $500,000 deposit when he was unable to come up with the balance on the deal. As the $500,000 was contractually nonrefundable, the WCG (or persons associated with it) made an easy half-million while Menge's associate, Brother Lester Roloff, took the loss.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2004, 11:17:00 PM
hummmm.....i been wondering!
OMG....
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2004, 07:28:00 AM
there are times , many times, if i do not understand something, i do not receive it....God is light....and he makes manifest and clear all things...to live my life in accordance to this code of rule...is to walk in relationship with God and his children, so that light reveals areas not so sure...pockets i run from, areas still in the shady realms...light brings "Sense" for indeed Truth makes good solid sense...truth adds up correct...its a perfect fit...

sins done to me, sins i have done, exposed are cleansed by Jesus' blood...making me pure again....light is God, God is light...1John1....Light, as that which makes shady questionable things understandable and clears up confusions doubts nd fears...the areas that lay in the shrouds of dimness the areas tht leave me in questionable merit...if it be questionable merit...Jesus'blood is the only cure....but if it be left in the shadows of "not knowingness" it leaves me in darkness, in shady living, in ducking and in hiding...leaving my understanding of me all bout me in obsurity...and therefore separated from fullest fellowship with God who IS light, and his family...fellowship in God, relationship wth God, makes all within me become to be cleared and make perfect sense...bringing me understandnig of what is going on and has gone on in my life...God is Light...no darkness or shady areas in God...

God leaves no area in his "Beingness"  with shady spots...and as i grow in relationship with God, i grow in understanding of all of me...all that is going on IN me...all that has not been clearly seeable, ways of mine that i would sit in shadows over in worry and distrust....
that is why relationship takes time, growth in relationship with God, reveals more and more intimate things between one and ones Maker...light grows stronger...in proverbs it says, "The path of the righteous is as the shining light, growing ever brighter"
in my experience of christians at my church who frowned at me for working thru my stuff...
those christians who do not believe in making all things manifest , are not conducting thier own living in reality, if they follow the rule that one cant talk about it...they are denying thier own pains..hiding and not living by the rule of Light making manifest...

according to 1John1, Manifestation of the shadows in our life, is the very working of the Presence of Gods Presence...for God is Light, and Light makes manifest, making obscure things in us very apparent...

to discourage me from understanding my issues has been, them discouraging me from walking in true fellowship with God, who IS light, the light that makes all things manifest...

somewhere in the history of christianity, it became "un-christian" to make things manifest in our life ...to make ourself vulnerable....

???? what??? did it then become christian to live more in denial of reality?? i bet it did... to walk and live and conduct myself according to the "code" that instructs me to live openly ...to be willing to disassociate from the shadows in me, in that walking in light is not about "coming out of the closet" but in exposing my closets to the Light , not owning the darkness as me or mine, but lettnig the light dispell the darkness...making the questionable areas clearly understood, and what does the Apostle John have to say if we find things there that are nor pure? he says, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness, whether it is our own sins, or the impurity others put into us or on us....
this seperates me in light from the shadowy things, this washes me clean of things impure....
last night i had a real bad nightmare.i was very much aware of what it had to do with. in this nightmare my right leg was being shackled, i was in a concrete room..i woke up screaming, not from physical pain, but from emotional pain and crying out....terrified....laying there...trying to deny it ....saying it is not true, just a bad dream, but the dream was exaclty the same as the some very upsetting flashbacks...and in rather in a need to rebalance myself, i would insist in my head that it was representing how i was feeling in my counseling work, that i felt shackled to such concrete reality ...lol....oxymoron of things....doubling my understanding here...lol....
but whether it is based in actual memory or whether it is based in symbolic feelings, the fact remains that it manifested itself in my sleep....and broke thru to this surface awareness...and therefore needs light, to let God make manifest it to me, to clarify it to me, to bring to me understanding of it in his time, way and will.....according to how he knows me, and how he understands my limits....etc...

if anyone has light..do not hide your understanding and wisdom....but let it shine....evildoers are scared of light, for they love to hide in dark corners....

may every soul shattered by abuses of power and and misuse and broken trusts...may each one be covered in Gods Gentle Care dn healing waters that flow so gently....for God is not a God out to nail us...no, he has come to heal us....he is far more interested in touching us even if we are not so pretty...even if we have wounds put into us that would frighten polite christians away...Jesus yearns to take us as we are, and bind those wounds, and to gently love us all back to restoration to where he designed us all to be...it matters to Jesus!! it matters to him when we lay awake at night in torment from nightmares that refuse to leave us alone...it Matters!! to Jesus!! when the "polite" christian world turns thier deaf ears and yells at us to repent....it matters to Jesus that noone has seen nor heard the REAL pains....
i promise you...
IT MATTERS TO JESUS....every tear, every sleepless night...every time we do things that hurt our self...he sees it all thru his love and his heart hurts for us, and he yearns to find a way to help us heal....

Former Rebekah Girl -- 1978
Roloff Survivor and now Becoming an Overcomer
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2004, 07:15:00 PM
The State of Texas surely is enough proof of what kind of person MrsCameron is, according to the Texas Monthly artical of Dec.2001, Texas has banned this woman from working in childcare facility,
and with good sound wisdom

her "discipline" is not true bible discipline, there is no counsel given, no attempt to bring light into what is going on, just grab the board and beat them and watch them scream without mercy...

and pay no heed to the real fact when thier spirit begins to break, pay no heed to when they need the nuture and sound counsel parents are supposed to give...
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2004, 05:25:00 PM
The Cameron's have a home in Milton, Florida called "New Beginnings."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2004, 04:49:00 PM
Just since you were wondering, Wiley and Fay Cameron have opened a new school in Pace, FLorida, New Beginnings Rebeka Academy.  THEY NEED TO BE STOPPED!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2004, 04:59:00 PM
Well a little birdie told me that Miss Cameron has already had DCF called on her once at that home for "swatting" a young lady with a curtain rod.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2004, 10:29:00 PM
If you are talking about "Miss Sue" the PE teacher that was there when when I was there then I may know the reason for the hole in your memory.

I was the daughter of a worker. I saw the stuff you guys didn't see,the behind the scenes stuff. Miss Sue along with Miss Cindy were caught in the middle of sexually abusing one of the girls by Mrs. Cameron. They were caught red handed, as it were. They were given one hour to pack their things and they were sent away.

If you have blanks in your memory it may be as a result of an unfortunate encounter with Miss Sue. She was not only a sexual predator but also a sadist. She got pleasure from hurting girls.

For those of you who say it didn't happen. I am very happy for you that you were not victimized. It doesn't meen it didn't happen to the people who post here.

Christine Woodman
Worker's child
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Melissa on November 20, 2004, 03:35:00 AM
You must have been brainwashed by them.  How dare you come on this site, and write these thing?  This is for survivors/victims of Roloff homes, not for supporters, you fucking asshole.  You are the one with the wicked soul.  If anyone's going straight to hell, it's you bitch.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2004, 09:13:00 AM
Hello!  If you want to do something to stop the Camerons, let's talk!  They are running a home in PAce Florida, New Beginnings Rebeka Academy.  They have about 40 girls, and I know that the Cameron's are running it the same way as they did the other schools.  I don't know what to do  because I know a young girl that is incarcerated there and I'm dying to do somethign to help her.  Any ideas please let me know.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2004, 09:16:00 AM
How can I get more information on the recent episode in Florida?  I have a young relative that is incarcerated there and I have been beating my head against a wall trying to get her out.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: betty277 on November 20, 2004, 04:55:00 PM
i would be willing to send you a pesonal email if you want...
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
i think what you say is probably accurate....did you ever think of Compton?
i dont know...i was in rebekah years ago, but i fear somethings happened from the pe teachers and others who lived there ...that went beyond regular abuses mentioned...

but i only have years of PTSD flashbacks to inform me,  and one lone other survivor who seems to remember same kind of things

am waiting to see how this all come out in the light of day...
never so much smoke, but if there is a fire somewhere...
eh?

God is a good God!! but some people even under cover of Gods word and name take it all in vain and abuse it and victims rendered powerless...
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2004, 09:30:00 PM
hey, just curious,
did anyone ever know if Roloff the man was a freemason or
if Wiley Bogart Cameron Sr. were a freemason?

i had heard from the grapvine recently that Cameron was a Naval Officer...

hum....

just wondering if any one ever knew if they were in that or not...

 :question:  :question:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2004, 06:43:00 PM
well those who are for us are not against us, now melissa,
she may have been a kid on the farm, but that does not automatically put her into the zone of an enemy of the survivors....

she may have seen other things you failed to see mainly becuase you were locked up and she had more freedom to move around...

she may know some valuable pieces of information,

remember those who are not against us are for us...etc...

I was a rebekah girl, and I know it has handicapped me socially mentally and emotionally, etc, but I would also assume many of the farm kids were also 'victims' of the roloff cult atmosphere, it was a cult dear, and the kids who grew up on that farm are its victims also, but they are NOT a rebekah survivor, but maybe a roloff cult survivor....
they didnt get a choice in where they were growing up, they didnt get to choose, who does as a kid>??? not many....and espcecially not many of the rebekah girls who were most of them being dumped off by irresponsible parents and guardians who did not care enough to get proper counseling for us kids....

just my two cents melissa, chill a bit, and relax....

she didnt say a thing that would or could be detrimental to the cause of any surivor in need of healing, help, and or validation...

 :smile:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2004, 12:06:00 PM
you know it has been confirmed to me recently that my memories are confirmed in the mouth of THREE witnesses about Lester Roloff himself had tapes, what i would call scripts, that he read to us girls in the dorm at nights while we were asleep,

this is a strong brainwashing technique, subliminal messaging...

and without a young persons consent or awareness of the hidden subliminal messages...

Jesus talks about the enemy that sowed when the men were asleep...thought that was interesting, in Matthew 13: 25..... that in the sleep times, is when the enemy will plant in his seeds...when we are in a mode of unconsciousness or unawaredness....

in the Bible it is taught us to be aware, to stay alert, to be awake,
tho they did not teach to us thinking skills (mental alertness and awareness).. in Rebekah dorm, that would cause us to be aware of the distortions and lies and see the truth...nope, they didnt encourage sound thinking to us...cults never do..research on cults and how they control nad manipulate thru brainwashings and not permitting open thinking or difference in thinknig or open debate to search for truth...

truth will set us free, free from the lies, from the distortions and planted bad seeds...Gods word is truth, but we must learn to study it , not thwart it or chunk it but be open to realize it had been distorted to us...

sincerly
a rebekah survivor
from the 70's...
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2005, 07:47:00 PM
I was at New beginnings in Florida, I just returned home in July. Honestly, there's too much to be able to say it all but I can tell you this - I was a ridiculously rebellious girl before I went there, and I knew that the road I was going down could soon have gotten me killed, but I wouldn't listen to anyone else, I was just consumed with doing exactly what my family didn't want me to do. Anyway, I was sent there for a year, and I got the help that I needed. Since returning home I've realized some things about the difficulty there is in getting my life straightened out in that environment and then returning home, beacuse it was such a bubble there, and it's not a bubble in Houston. Anyways, there are some things that looking back on I can see how they're difficult, but when you're there and you see how some people act in there and what they're willing to do, it gives you a different perspective on things. It's much different to look at those places and take one event out of context and sa y how it's so horrible without knowing the rest of the story or that girl's particular history. There were times when I had to help hold girls down, but that was because they had gone so far and were so violent that they were a danger to themselves and to people around them. THink of how much more horrible it would be if they didn't take an action against their behavior and just let them hurt other girls. I know from personal experience what it's like there, there are girls who have chosen to stay there for years after they would have been allowed to go home, all because they love that place so much. They really are good people, they were like parents to us. And the Cameron's were like grandparents, they are amazing people, and I love them like family.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2005, 09:01:00 PM
Also, after having read all the things said by people about the Cameron's running the home in Florida, I thuoght I'd clear up that misconception. I was the one who posted the last message, I just returned home from New Beginnings on July 15, 2004, just a couple weeks shy of having been there a year. Anyway, the Cameron's don't run the home. The McNamaras, who took over Rebekah in TX the last time that it was there in like 2000 i think, anyway, Brother McNamara (we called him Brother Mac, and his wife Mrs. Mac), are the Superintendents of the school as a whole and they are the ones who live on the property with the girls along with the staff members. Brother Cameron is the President, and Brother Jimmie Clark is the Vice-President. I'm sorry for the bad experiences some people have talked about on this website, but I truly believe things have changed. I was there under the Mac's care and they really did treat all of us girls like their children and the Cameron's were like grandparents to all of us. I, along with countless other girls who were my friends there, have been helped immensely by the home in Florida and by these people. While I wish that I had been at a point in my life a year and a half ago to have been able to listen to my family trying to help me at home so that I could have avoided having been separated that way. but after having experienced it I wouldn't trade where it's placed me in my life. If that makes any sense. Granted, there were some things that I sitll don't have a clear understanding of that went on while I was there, I still know what I got from my experience, and I wouldn't trade it for the world. Because of having been there, I was able to open up my mind and my heart to hearing scripture and about God, and the Holy Spirit convicted my heart and i accepted Christ while I was there, and my life hasn't been the same since. My heart was just in darkness and lonely but after asking Christ to come into it I'm not ever lonely. I can be in a room by myself and still have someone to talk to because I can pray to God and talk to him, I dont' think I would have ever gotten to a point where I could've experienced that if I hadn't gone to New Beginnings, I thank God everyday for intervening in my life and bringing me to him.

- Tracy, 17, Houston, TX
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2005, 07:01:00 AM
Hi Tracy,
i am near by houston, i am a roloff survivor from texas...
glad you are posting....its good to hear your perspective...
 ::rainbow::

Gods Blessings into your young life my friend,

from a Rebekah Survivor
from the late 197*  ::read::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2005, 07:42:00 AM
well, I do enjoy quotes, Grains of wisdom from others who have thru experience and time harnessed some real truths....
thinking and mulling over this, I am pasting in some more quotes...sorry,....just my insy winsy way to help me think clearer...
later  ::troll::


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http://www.wisdomquotes.com/cat_confusion.html (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/cat_confusion.html)

Helen Keller:
It is not possible for civilization to flow backward while there is youth in the world. Youth may be headstrong, but it will advance its allotted length.

Henry David Thoreau:
The youth gets together his materials to build a bridge to the moon, or, perchance, a palace or temple on the earth, and, at length, the middle-aged man concludes to build a woodshed with them.


Maurice Chevalier (attributed but unverified):
Old age isn't so bad when you consider the alternative.

Robert Louis Stevenson:
To hold the same views at forty as we held at twenty is to have been stupefied for a score of years, and take rank, not as a prophet, but as an unteachable brat, well birched and none the wiser.

Thomas Jefferson:
Too old to plant trees for my own gratification, I shall do it for my posterity.


Whitney Young:
Liberalism seems to be related to the distance people are from the problem.

Anaïs Nin:
We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.

Demosthenes:
Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true.

Elias Canetti:
People love as self-recognition what they hate as an accusation.

Garrison Keillor:
I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it.

James Thurber:
Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.

Jessamyn West:
A religious awakening which does not awaken the sleeper to love has roused him in vain.

The Quaker Reader, 1962

Nietzsche:
'I have done that,' says my memory. 'I cannot have done that' -- says my pride, and remains adamant. At last -- memory yields.

Alan Bennett:
Life is rather like a tin of sardines - we're all of us looking for the key.

Chinese proverb:
One who asks a question is a fool for five minutes; one who does not ask a question remains a fool forever.

Gilda Radner:
I wanted a perfect ending. Now I've learned, the hard way, that some poems don't rhyme, and some stories don't have a clear beginning, middle, and end. Life is about not knowing, having to change, taking the moment and making the best of it, without knowing what's going to happen next. Delicious Ambiguity

Henri Nouwen:
When we honestly ask ourselves which person in our lives means the most us, we often find that it is those who, instead of giving much advice, solutions, or cures, have chosen rather to share our pain and touch our wounds with a gentle and tender hand. The friend who can be silent with us in a moment of despair or confusion, who can stay with us in an hour of grief and bereavement, who can tolerate not knowing, not curing, not healing and face with us the reality of our powerlessness, that is a friend who cares.

Jane Haddam:
People always seemed to know half of history, and to get it confused with the other half.

Rainer Maria Rilke:
Have patience with everything that remains unsolved in your heart. Try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books written in a foreign language. Do not now look for the answers. They cannot now be given to you because you could not live them. It is a question of experiencing everything. At present you need to live the question. Perhaps you will gradually, without even noticing it, find yourself experiencing the answer, some distant day.

Letters to a Young Poet

Salvador Dali:
I believe that the moment is near when by a procedure of active paranoiac thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion and contribute to the total discrediting of the world of reality.

Thomas A. Edison:
Restlessness and discontent are the first necessities of progress.


Tom Peters:
If you're not confused, you're not paying attention.

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WAKE UP....
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
Did you know that the man who is the director of the New Beginning Rebekah Home is a former convict. The same is true of his wife. They worked at the Roloff Homes before it was moved to Pace, Florida. His name is Bill McNamara. He and his wife work closely with the girls.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2005, 02:46:00 PM
Sherri Compton molested several underage girls in Rebekah. she finally left after there was a lawsuit by a girl's parents. the last I heard she was teaching PE at a private girls school.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: letstalkaboutpants on January 10, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
why is she working with children if she is a pedophile?

unbelievable.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2005, 03:10:00 PM
Most people don't want to get involved so they keep quiet about Compton. Once Mrs. Cameron caught her at it and all she did was pray with her. Then Mrs. Cameron said Compton had repented and would never do it again. There was one more girl she molested who went home and told her parents. They settled out of court with the Homes.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Antigen on January 12, 2005, 06:23:00 PM
I've seen things like this again and again. A kid gets stood up and confronted for some cruel or criminal behavior. He/She gets started over on their program. They make second phase, then third, then fourth and, having confessed, been reamed about it, promised they understand the error of their ways and will never do such a thing again, they're declared "cured" by staff and group... till next time.

This is one reason why these programs are dangerous. These people don't posess the power to 'cure' pedophelia! What could the parents be thinking? Oh yeah, they're not thinking. They're busy praying and writing checks, naturally.
 :roll:

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.  
Andrew Tannenbaum

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: rebeccaramirez on January 13, 2005, 12:53:00 AM
Actually, the staff and director are HAPPY to see the "students" make mistakes and start the program again. It means more money!  

Oh, many times I witnessed the staff make up a stupid excuse to punish or demote a girl.  I have seen girls go from helper to buddy or detention for no good reason.  Maybe she was hungry and had to steal food, or maybe she felt sick and couldn't eat all of her food, or maybe she was having a bad day because she felt unloved - all punishable actions by Victory's standards.  The staff lies to parents and the parents don't know any better because they don't have proper communication with their children.  Many times, parents are trapped into feeling that they have no other choice except to keep the child there after a year because they have already invested so much money, and are hoping that one day their daughter will CHANGE.  

My experiences have shown me that change can not be forced, only encouraged.  In addition, the person expected to change, must have the genuine desire to make changes.  These behavioral modification programs are merely a money pit for parents, a holding cell for adolescents, and a joke to real therapy.  Yeah, it may keep teenage girls out of trouble, but at the expense of their quality of life, later on, as adults.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: girlfriday on January 13, 2005, 03:37:00 PM
You have a very valid point! My parents kept me at Victory for 22+ months, way past when they initially promised I could come home. Most girls stayed past their year. Since communication is so stifled, my parents listened to Mrs P when she recommended that I stay there til graduation. I had been counting down the days til my year and when I got busted 3 weeks before I was to be sent home (buddy, dorm silence, etc.) they let me come home for a visit to california and Houston since they already had the plane tickets, then sent me right back! My aunt wanted to keep me in Houston and not put me on the plane but my mom made her do it. They said if I was good I'd get to come home at Christmas. Christmas came around and they let me come hopme for a week, then sent me back til I graduated. If they had told me from the beginning that I would be there til graduation, my PACES would have been done by my year!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
Palmers had three daughters, no sones.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
Was Michele Dupre the girl who got licks just before they moved to Missouri? I remember a fair skinned girl with blonde hair who was in lock-up and came out with burst blood vessels on her legs. I don't think she went to Missouri. Maybe she went home.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2005, 04:41:00 AM
i was told that there was a Palmer Senior and then a Palmer junior...

thank you for telling this part....
no sons?????
this is not what i have always heard, i have heard there are two mike palmers, one the father and the other the son...

i was under teh impression that Mike Palmer "SR" was best buddies with Lester Roloff....

thanks
Rebekah Survivor to Overcomer
1970's
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2005, 03:51:00 PM
that's a little far fetched, I believe.
I was in REbekah in 84-85 and I don't support the homes simply because I don't believe in parents sending their children away simply because they can't handle them anymore.  The rules in the homes, although strict and hard to follow, are really biblical.  I admire Roloff for having the conviction to follow them.  The sad part of that is that he really believed that by making teenagers live by those rules for a year, they would become better people.  If a person does not truly intrinsically accepted these values, that person will not only not change, but grow to resent it.  The real crime in these homes was mind control.  It became a place where bullies could have total authority if they followed the rules to the dorm parent's standards.  Weaker girls were picked on and humiliated.  I will not say there weren't abusive methods of punishment, that would make me a liar.  I will not say people were not molested, I can only say I wasn't and I never heard of anyone experiencing it while I was there.  I know a lot of things were kept silent because it wouldn't have been good for the homes if anyone got wind of it.  But a lot of other accusations are merely speculation and we shouldn't say it unless it actually happened to us, or we are certain, without a doubt that it occured.  Otherwise we are slandering, which makes us just as bad as anyone else.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2005, 03:53:00 PM
There was a michelle dufrene, but she left before the move and I understand she came back when they were in missouri.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2005, 10:47:00 PM
I don't agree that the punishment at these schools is "Biblical."  Nor do I agree that Lester Roloff should be praised for standing up for in his belief in abuse.  People have all kinds of beliefs that are just plain wrong - standing up for them strongly is hardly praiseworthy.  Picture Jesus doing what Roloff and his progeny did.  Roloff would not hesitate to call a girl a whore - Jesus said that he without sin should cast the first stone.  Roloff condoned child abuse - Jesus said that whoever hurts one of his children would be better off dead.

In 2004, the United Methodist Church passed two resolutions against corporal punishment.  Among its reasons for passing the resolution against the use of corporal punishment in schools and child-care facilities: schools and child-care facilities are the only American institutions which make purposeful physical pain legal; it is humiliating and degrading and often causes physical injury; it would not be condoned by Jesus of Nazareth; it sends a message that hitting a smaller and weaker person is acceptable; it is most often used on poor children, minority children, and disabled children; it is more worthwhile to teach self-discipline than to teach submission through fear; and it discourages the enjoyment of learning.

The same can be said about emotional and mental torture.

Don't admire someone who preaches that we need Jesus, and at the same time ignores His most basic teachings.

Quote
On 2005-01-23 12:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"that's a little far fetched, I believe.

I was in REbekah in 84-85 and I don't support the homes simply because I don't believe in parents sending their children away simply because they can't handle them anymore.  The rules in the homes, although strict and hard to follow, are really biblical.  I admire Roloff for having the conviction to follow them.  The sad part of that is that he really believed that by making teenagers live by those rules for a year, they would become better people.  If a person does not truly intrinsically accepted these values, that person will not only not change, but grow to resent it.  The real crime in these homes was mind control.  It became a place where bullies could have total authority if they followed the rules to the dorm parent's standards.  Weaker girls were picked on and humiliated.  I will not say there weren't abusive methods of punishment, that would make me a liar.  I will not say people were not molested, I can only say I wasn't and I never heard of anyone experiencing it while I was there.  I know a lot of things were kept silent because it wouldn't have been good for the homes if anyone got wind of it.  But a lot of other accusations are merely speculation and we shouldn't say it unless it actually happened to us, or we are certain, without a doubt that it occured.  Otherwise we are slandering, which makes us just as bad as anyone else."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2005, 04:03:00 PM
Hey that last post there is astounding! you go!....
i was in teh homes under the Camerons, (70's)...and i have to say that i have paid a huge price tag in emotional pain since then,

wow, you are sooooooo right!!!
just because someone believes something and stands up for it, does not make it correct,

bible study should be exercised by those who say roloffs ways were biblical!

i think the Holocaust began simply because some maniac thought he knew the truth too....
!!!

roloff was a CULT leader/....the compound in Corpus has all the hallmarks of a CULT

they do NOT teach thier followers to think independantly, JESUS TEACHES US TO THINK
the Bible tells us to think, to not believe everything, just because a very pesuasive leader gets up and can move a crowd, dont mean a dog gone darn thing!!!!

WISDOM IS PROVEN BY ITS CHILDREN!!!
that phrase was spoken by JESUS CHRIST

now, you wait till some of them get out and then wait again till some of them hit the real world of adult life, and lets us then gauge if Roloffs ways helped them

roloff twisted scriptures, i have spent hours going over his sermons....and i can tell you, that he loved to quote multitudes of scripture, about 6 to 8 verses a paragrah...and then insert his one statement idea....twisting the meanings, and distorting what the original writter meant int he context of the scripture....

go study it for your self...
look up the meanings of words,

 ::bandit::

Lester Roloff could take WORDS, and he laid it down in the night time tapings in the dorm, the twisted meanings, so that when the WORDS were spoken by him or staff,
most of us, reacted just as they desired, turnign into robot mini-roloffs versions of whatever he believed to be truth...

bet you never heard teh GOOD NEWS MESSAGE of real hope in roloffs,

i all i ever heard were hammers coming down on my spirit,....

it left me shattered

Isaac Asimov:
Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.

sometimes we have to look beyond the limits set by people whose aim seems to be to control everyone....and realize Christ came to set us free, to be free from others so we can serve by the rule of Love, and not by the rules that keep us bound by religion...

Roloff cult people let thier sense of morals get in teh way of truly helping hurting kids....
to the point of ridiculousness...like Jesus spoke to the pharisees...those selfrighteous religious "nice folk"... and told them that they were white washed graves filled with dead mens bones!
why? they did all the "rules" of thier religion...they paid thier tithes and were at every service!!!
WHY , tell me WHY these "nice religious folk" were not the first in the line to heavens gates??? and in fact the Living Word, (Jesus) stood and told them they were FULL of dead mens bones!!???

i think because they let thier 'sense' of right and wrong, get ni the way of truly serving with real love
and i think they had hidden agendas

and i believe with all my mind and heart, that teh truth is STILL TO BE HEARD bout the hidden things gone on in teh Compoundin Corpus Christi Texas!!!

John Burroughs:
Nature teaches more than she preaches. There are no sermons in stones. It is easier to get a spark out of a stone than a moral.
Frederick Douglass:
Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will.


it is OK to speak out our minds and show how we feel, or else, how can the systems of abuse be stopped, and changed into systems that help heal WHOLE FAMILIES???

Jawaharial Nehru:
A moment comes, which comes but rarely in history, when we step out from the old to the new, when an age ends, and when the sound of a nation, long suppressed, finds utterance.


SURVIVORS NEED TO SPEAK UP MORE!
find teh freedom to express the truth....
on all sides of the issues...
Susan B. Anthony:
Cautious, careful people, always casting about to preserve their reputations... can never effect a reform.

Abraham Lincoln:
The United States government must not undertake to run the Churches. When an individual, in the Church or out of it, becomes dangerous to the public interest he must be checked.

AMEN ! ABE!!
 :tup:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2005, 11:18:00 PM
here name was shelly booswa...that is not spelled correctly.she was from louisana..she did not go to missouri.whomever this is you were in that hell hole the same time i was.......contact me
email [email protected]
would love to talk to someone about the after effects of having to endure that place.
it has been 20yrs since i was there,and i still think about it from time to time.it is something i can never forget.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
When she came to school she showed me her legs. I felt sick that someone would do this to her.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
Tom Dye died in Missouri. Mrs. Frye is also dead. Mrs. Ruggles is in California. Mrs. Harman was so nice!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2005, 12:43:00 AM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/)

This is a group on yahoo for anyone who had been through the Roloff Homes.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on January 29, 2005, 06:57:00 PM
Need commen ground with someone that understand's Without Judgeing.                     [email protected]

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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on January 29, 2005, 07:24:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2005, 12:51:00 PM
hi I was there, Rebekah, about the same time, 79-80 maybe I know you or someone here. I was there when compton was still abusing girls and felt the wrath. is it true she is still teaching? What a shame!!

I saw camerson dress a 14 year old girl in dipers and make her suck a bottle for days for having a crush on Mr cameron.. anyone remember that?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2005, 02:14:00 PM
hi I was in Rebekah Home 79-80, was wondering if there is anyone out there I might know. I was there when Compton was abusing girls and experienced the punishments myself. I saw Faye Cameron dress a 14 year old girl in dipers and make her suck a bottle for days all because she made a comment about having a crush on Mr Camerson.. anyone remember that?  sick hu. I heard Compton is still teaching girls in a private school.. could this be true?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 01, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
I am so sorry I can't Help you sweetie I was there71-74. You have a friend if you ever need to talk. Feel free to wright any time!
[email protected] Debbie Baker FROM REBEKAH Home :wave:

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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2005, 06:42:00 PM
hi there debi baker..i was in rebekah in late 1970's...i hear your cry for help...
i hope you are ok...

it is not easy recovering from this kind of ordeals...

i may contact you soon..if you want...
sincerly
a rebekah sister
1977-78
 :wave:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2005, 06:46:00 PM
Hi,...I was wondering if anyone remembers ever being sexually abused by any of the PE coaches in the Rebekah School?
i do not want to accuse anyone, so i am asking just abuot the PE Coaches in general...

did anyone ever recall anything strange about any trips to the intercoastal canal?

just am wondering if there is anything beyond the usual physical abuses we all know so well...

also, did anyone ever get put on IV's while in the Dorm? or taken to anyplace and given IV's?
and if so, do you remember where ?

wondering if they used IV's to help us during illnesses or sickness when we were ill, and they dont like taking us to real doctors...

sincerly
rebekah sister
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 01, 2005, 07:23:00 PM
Thank-You so much for wrighting me. I am ok! Just wanted someone to talk to with a commen experiance. Some day's it is hard some days It seems better. It is just nice to have someone there who understands. It takes away the madness of it all. Where you there with papa and granny? Or the camerons? How did you feel about the homes? Did it work for you? You where there 78-79? Was things any better then? Good experance or bad I would love to hear back from you. It is always nice to have a friend. I don't think you can have too meny of those? I was there 71-74 I was under papa and granny. I took away some good experiance's and bad from the home. Kinda a love hate realashionship. Spelling was the bad one! :lol:  ::blushing:: Love to hear from you. Ever just need a friend who understands feel free to w/b any time! Just wanted you to know you are not alone. LOL DEBI BAKER Breaking Out!
[email protected] ::cheers::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 01, 2005, 07:33:00 PM
I was there for a while visited the boys home in corpus early 70's. Nobody sexualy abused me. How ever heard some stories. About pe teacher taking girls to her room.  Never heard any thing about IV"S He wouldn't even give us asprin. I thought I was going to die there once when I got sick. All I got was grapefruit juice and alot of enama's. That was bad! I guess you could call that a iv of some sort.HAHA LATER DEBI BAKER
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 01, 2005, 07:43:00 PM
who are you I was there In 71 to. Debi Baker.W/B
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 01, 2005, 07:47:00 PM
I was there to who are you if you don't mind me asking? LOL DEBI BAKER W/B
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2005, 10:02:00 AM
I lived with the Palmers for awhile after getting out of Rebekah.  They only had daughters.  One of them died in the crash with Roloff.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 06, 2005, 10:43:00 AM
Well Hello! My name is Debi Baker 71-74 What year where you there? Would you like to talk? I have heard good things about the Palmer's. Ther was some bad people there and good. Did you love them? where they good to you? I hope so. Feel free to wright me any time. Would love to talk to you. I was under granny and papa. And the camerons for a little while. Do you miss your friends? I do.
[email protected] Hugs!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 06, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
who are you? Do you remember me? DEBI BAKER?
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2005, 03:41:00 PM
I was not praising what roloff did to other people.  go back and read my post.  I admire him for doing it for himself, but I said he was wrong in forcing others to do the same.  
I was just saying that to accuse him of pornography was far-fetched.
I was in the homes too, I don't defend them at all.  I'm just saying to not speculate, stick to the experiences you are sure of, which include abuse and humilliation.  Everyone is so quick to jump on anyone that says anything slightly positive.  I never condoned what he did to others.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2005, 03:45:00 PM
michelle bourgois was also from new orleans and she left after two months.  She had a new wave haircut and a strong new orleans accent.  Michelle Dufrene was a brunette, somewhat quiet.  
She came back when the homes were in Missouri.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2005, 11:01:00 AM
you know, I been reading thru, here, and I think everyone who is posting is so strong and so positive to stand and speak thier mind on any facet of the issue...what positive approach can there be than to speak ones truth??? thank you to all of the brave positive roloff survivors for being brave to speak out, even under the protective covering of anonymity....

and about the pornography (or worse).. issues....well, let me thnik here...

that would of course have been SOOOOO hidden to be impossible to uncover, if it is true, do you think anyone is going to SHOUT it out of the rooftops?
God may though....lol.....
consider if such a HUGE organization spread thru out the United States adn with arms and branches into Mexico, and more than likely into Canada...(Roloff and his henchmen, his offshoots are spread like the wicked grazing)...think,...dont you think such a powerful organization could have hidden well anything they wanted to hide?? and they were ALL bout hiding from Authority....lol...

if it was a reality, then who is to say there are not survivors of it, out there, who know all too well if it is true or not?

and maybe its this safe place of speaknig out here, that can help open up the sealed tombs, and set the captives free, free from terror of the big bad guys...free from nightmares that haunt them , free from depression, free from fear of the past...FREE..truth makes us free....search for it, seek for it, and do not let the fear of it, stop one from pouncing onto it and wrestlnig with it and making friends iwth the Truth...


Truth is the very goal to seek after, and in that there is going to be MANY facets to the whole story....

anybody ever get taken to any cabins?

farfethed????? how so??? based on one persons subjective experiences of a magnetic cult leader??? based on one slice of a persons experience? it seemed at one time pretty farfetched to a large population that Jimmy Swaggart was capable of sleepign with whores....so....what is wrong with assuming Roloff or any of his henchmen could be guilty of dabbling with something, that was ready cash and riches??? hum.....

to trust ones own memory, to seek corroboration is a worthy goal to have, to hold ones memories out to be corroborated is a very very worthy endeavor....for the honesty adn sincerity is so real, is it not?? to lay open to public view the sincerity of ones need to find corroboration.....

sincerity dreads no inspection, tho sometimes inspections hurt, adn are painful, selfexamination is hard to do, but it is good 'housecleaning'....and tho tempted to flee and deny, God Grace will see us thru...
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2005, 07:16:00 PM
I guess for the most part they were nice.  A bit odd.  I do have some bad feelings.  They lied to me about something important to me and it made some changes in my life I wish I could get back.  It was very hard.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 08, 2005, 09:37:00 PM
I was in the home from 71- 74 And would so love to talk to you!My Guru Is having puppy's. I don't know if you where wrighting to me . But I wanted you to know that I wanted to wright to you. Wanted to know if you could check ou this in a couple of days. I was there for quite a while. And understand. Will you hear me out? I am on your side! Lots of love! If you ever need a friend or just want to talk or vent I will always be here for you. If you will give me a chance. No It is not the home thing. Just a friend.Debi Baker
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 08, 2005, 09:42:00 PM
Debi Baker
[email protected]  

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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 09, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
Hello my name is Debi. What happen? how did they lie? Do you feel safe talking about it? I found out some lies to that impacted my life. And why it is scary to talk about for me I don't know. It is for certain true. I don't know why I don't feel safe. It might be because of the impact it had on my life. It might be In my mind I am afraid to beleave- even what I know to be fact. All of his teachings for those in the early 70's Was In'bred. It was a living breathing thing- inclsive Cut right to the heart. He had power and strenth with in the group he had built with his own hands. He took- in a lot of cases- what was broken -At least in mine- and Re-furbished it cultivated and planted lots of seeds in fertile ground.Tightly Woven, Like a cloth.Put carefully into place. And Then un-folded at will. He then regarded it as an ex-change for the saving of a lost or broken soul.
This lost and brocken soul was a 13 year old girl.Who had already been excavated- hollowed out
exposed. He was persevering. Diligent. And then Devout. I became A counter-part of his cause.
A convert. Untill the lie. And so here I am 30 years later. With what? The truth? What is the truth I ask myself. Dose anybody really know it all. Can any one validate all of our feelings.
And what each of us know to be our own truth. I think the only valadation will come If we bond.
Share and understand that the pain is real or if something good came out of it for another That is thier truth. But in speaking out about mine,all-
I have to say is- that all- I really need in the end is the friends that became my family. That is forever for me because that was the only truth.
Not a lie. And for me- it is the only thing that I trust and will always belive in. My friends.

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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2005, 09:14:00 AM
Hi Debi....
(((((((((Debi)))))))))
love rebekah sister:
Trish....
 :smile:

*i understand....*
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 10, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
(((((((I Understand)))))))) is the only two words I need!
This is the truth. The only thing that is solid for me,It is enough to To push me forward--
That mountain dosn't seem so big, as long as I am not climbing it all alone.
Big smile!
Rebekah SIS DEBI
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 10, 2005, 10:42:00 AM
Rebekah Sis 77-78,
It would make me very happy if you would write me. LOL DEBI
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 10, 2005, 10:53:00 AM
Roloff and Porn? I must hear this. I am not saying you are not telling the truth Just instrested in what you have to say.Very instrested! I had a roomate that lived with them.
She told me they slept in opposite sides of the house. So she could watch T.V. OPPS? I wonder if she had some juicy tapes up there? TEE HEE HEE.
Rebekah sis DEBI
BAD DEBI! Smile
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
There have been limited amount of reports of child porn trafficking but none is proven, there have been only some who have had unproven memories. There must be more corroboration,
scripture itself says, "Let everything be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses"!

A good rule of thumb to remember:
If it happened to one, it happened to many, and if the memory is real, then the many are still left waiting to speak up and connect as one voice to tell the one whole truth...

Mindcontrol is a very powerful weapon; In the late 1970's under the iron rule of Mrs Cameron, mindcontrol was on the rise inside of the darkness of hiding. And who can even begin to surmise what they played at night into the ears of the Rebekah Girls. As they all lay asleep. We know now that they did this, and it was Roloff himself who "read" from the installed intercom system. But it was the Camerons who actually put the night subliminal messaging tapes into the intercom system.
Many are of the opinion that those tapes hold insight into the ordeals of this particular group of cult survivors. Though it is likely that they have either destroyed them or changed them. The Camerons are known for hiding what they do, so would be normal to assume that they are hiding about this form of brainwashing.

It has recently been brought out to light that there was also this particular pernicious practice of nighttime subliminal messaging in the LightHouse for Men. And one survivor of the LightHouse for Men, has reporte about a strange room off to the side of the main offices of the Lighthouse itself. He reported that there was a metal door, and on this door was a padlock along with the use of a deadbolt. He reports that no one was allowed to enter that room, and he agrees that the using of both forms of locks was quite odd. He does report that there was one incident where he had opportunity to look into that one room, and has stated that he saw one bare room, and within that were a desk, a filing cabinet and on the desk, the feared and well known Reel to Reel tape machine. He firmly remembers they did the tapes at night there also, which to all appearances were played on adults without thier consent. As well as in Rebekah Home for Girls, whose parents never knew nor the girls ever made fully aware of what was happening to them.

On the old Roloff Place in Culloden Georgia, there was their old place they called THE CITY OF REFUGE, it was on 273 acres, and had an Antebellum house,a cabin,lake and other buildings. It has been reported from thier own newsletters, that this place was a regular stopping place for the Rebekah girls. But funny thing is no Rebekah girls ever ever seem to talk about thier times there.

This particular Roloff Compound had a tunnel, an old slave tunnel that had been connected into the Antebellum house. It has been reported to have been sealed shut, as of the late 1970's, but there are those who speculate that it was used in throughout other buildings and possible cave underground, there are many caves underground in that area of Georgia, all one has to do is do some research on the geography there in.

The place is no longer apparently a "Roloff" place but is now called, "The Land of Promise". And is supported by the Oldest Black Church in Savannah Georgia, which is under the Missionary Baptist Convention, which good knowledgeable sources have said that would not be connected to a "roloff' cult for any reason at all!

It has recently  been found out that the person  Dwayne Walker, who made the movie: The Baptist Bridle", (the bondage porn movie based on stories from the Roloff Girls home), that he grew up around the Roloff cult world , emmersed in Roloff's harsh fundamental heresies, in Jacksonville Florida. And admits to being:


1. conspiratorial &
2. twisted
in making it all.

 ::jawdrop::  ::read::

Sincerly,
Snowdrip

from -- PureTruth Wellspring
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 13, 2005, 12:46:00 AM
I toured to culloden. georgia. Twice. I was there 71-72-some 73 and 74. In 71 we had a lot of freedom compared to the late 70's. Forgive my spelling. but I went to school in a barn with the biggest rats I ever saw. They ran over your feet hovered over your head. Gwd. and we only had one heater in there. The funnyest day in the school was when Mrs. Roloff opened a file cabit and one jumped out at her. I thought she was going to piss her paints. She slamed the file cabnit and caught the rat by the tail. and so it hung there until I think it was mr. wright got it out and killed it. They home schooled us.
Back to subject- It was beautiful there. the mansions where beatiful with Old  but beautiful furniture. It was so quite you could hear a pen drop. The people didn't talk much eaither.
It seemed almost ghost like.Weird feeling. But we where allowed to wonder the grounds. Roloff was very proud of this place and spoke of it often. The under ground thing is just creepy to me. When we went he always had tent revivals there. They lasted for hours it seemed. I had my hair put up in a fancey dew. And gwd they had the biggest bugs i ever saw. we quoted scripture after scripture song after song. the bugs keep flying in your mouth when you sang. and then they got all up in my hair. That done it I got out of line for twisting and freaking out because they where all in my hair. I got punished for making a sceen over it. Disruppting the service. He would get so wound up there. He would go maybe we just stay all night.
Didn't he dig most those people out of jail? and if the broke his rules they went back?
I do recall our intercomes. Broadcast at 7 in the morning broadcast at lunch. broadcast at supper Broadcast at snack. Broadcast at bedtime.
I had to memorize 19 chapters by heart.
If you did something wroung you where given scriptures to memorize.plus a whipping plus a missed meal. On days he was really upset we didn't get food all day.We spent all day on our knees fasting and praying. sometimes we got fruit. one time it went on for a week. and we started eating tooth paste. He said we need the poison cleansed from or bodies. Plus we where assignd scriptures weekly to memorize. I remember wrighting them over and over and over.
Where can I get this movie? I would like to see it.
As for the Camorens I was there for almost a year with them. I can't recall them playing broadcast or messages all night unless you where in lock up. and then you where put in the dark with nohting in the room. Not even a tolet just a whole in the floor. and you had nothing but the messages.
Our calls where monitered and our letters moniterd.We where allowed to tell our parents nothing. They would hold mail for punishment.
If you did not get with the program You where told that you where never going home.
The only place we could talk with out big brother was outside or in a closet.
After I left things got even worse so there is no telling what happened.Debi
Has any one brought up his teachings on communism yet. Now that was interresting for a 13 year old and the effect it had on my view of the world. Lester roloff was in politices up to his ears. More on that later Rebekah sis



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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2005, 08:16:00 AM
It would be a very worthwile venture to do some research and open debate on this aspect of Roloffs life.

To any observer it would definitly appear that Lester Roloff was anti communist. But oddly enough seemed to believe enough in a socialistic setup to propound this in the cult of his compound , especially the compound in Corpus Christi. Everyone was equalized, in lifestyle, [e.g. economically, in dress, with food, etc],   looking into the payroll habits of the Roloff Evangelistic Enterprises might be revealing of the Split in Roloffs mind concerning his "Platform Stance" vs. his attitude-practices regarding socialism as he needed it to be inside of his little Kingdom.

Thoughts to chew on of it are: Communism kills individuality, cults kill individuality, is not the "true American 'Spirit'" about individualty? Roloffs Split mind was Patriotic/anti-individualism all in one mind.

On one hand Roloff condemned communism, then on the other, he lived inside of a little world of his own communism in his little Roloff Kingdom, where he made all who lived in his world, live by his own personal views and standards, on clothing to wear, food to eat, and things to listen to or watch,  and they all were equal, while he allowed himself to flourish as the god of the entire structure. [Not near the horrific horrors of North Korea, and thier father-leader, but of similar patterns, on a miniature level, his idealism being of the same kind of need to control and be in power.]

It is the far extreme right wing world, and it would be highly and vastly interesting to learn of his connections, if any, to John Birch Society. John Birch Society is a group of extreme right wingers; Anti-Communistic and supposedly pro-Jew. There would be some things there that would be interesting to learn more about in and of itself.

Would be an interesting debate and talk on Roloff teachings on Commmunism and his involvement in the politics of his day, and how that has shaped Texas Government. Please do bring to this open public forum any remembrances of Roloffs teachings on communism or socialism. Let us learn more of this man who has shattered so many spirits, and somehow died with a mark of christian hero upon himself.

Concerning the Culloden Georgia compound memories. If there are any survivors who recall being taken underground in the old Slave tunnels, please do not hesitate on speaking up anonymously or with identity. If these tunnels exist or if they are being used still is worthy to be investigated. We would be horrified to think that girls are still suffering hidden horrors of this type all because none has spoken up , if there are indeed tunnels or a system of tunnels.


Martin Luther King, Jr.:
We will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends

Sincerly,
Snowdrip.

From -- PureTruth WellSpring

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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2005, 08:49:00 AM
The Furnishings in the Culloden Compound Home. Can you please elaborate and explain what type of furniture was put into the house/Antbellum house?

Like, what style,? was it "Colonial", "French", Contempory? etc.

It has been reported from one source that there is memory of some nice expensive "French style" furniture.

If there are any memories of the inside of the Antebellum house along wth the inside of the other buildings, please be descriptive. This will add the elements needed to the entire whole truth of things.

Is there any memory of the Lake there? And can you describe the Lake and the placements of the buildings? Was there a dock on the lake?

These details may seem insignificant, but they are not, as they add to the authenticity of reported flashbacks and pile up the needed stockpile of corroboration.

Also thank you Debi, for speaking up about the horrid conditions of the homeschooling that they put you girls through in the early years, i.e. the place (a barn?) and the rats. That is a clear picture of thier lowly standards on what constitues healthy environments and conditions. As we all are aware that rats carry deadly diseases. Do you know if they did anything to rid the place of rats?
Notice that as more details are brought out, that there begins to be a highlight to the Split in Roloffs mind, regarding his "Platform Stance" and actual practices. Roloff had a firm stance on health, yet, here he has been shown to be exposing young girls to deadly disease possibilities with this rat infestation.

Thank you,
Sincerly,
Snowdrip.

from -- PureTruth WellSpring

[email protected]

 ::read::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 13, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 13, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2005, 05:57:00 PM
hi debi,
this is trish....wow, i was taken to the culloden place too. i have had memories come back of the white curtains on the windows, and of the woodfloors, i recall tht the windows were always open...cause the curtains would be blowing ni the wind...

it seems i remember an attic fan, either there or somewhere else.....
not sure

i was in Rebekah in late 1970's...and had been on a tour and was taken thru the culloden place also....

seems to my remembrance that in that texas monthly article that came on in Dec. 2001..that roloff is quoted as calling everyone in corpus a communist all because they complained of his loud speakers on thier nieghborhood street....

he was not correct, he was to my thnknig a messed up person...who was abusive, ungovernable, and boastful, proud nad arrogant, who could not tolerate anyone being different from himself...

thansk debi for writing , i am going to write stuff too...

later
Trish
 :wave:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2005, 02:46:00 PM
Thank you for helping build a better picture of the way things were in reality; time does indeed dim the blinding and harsh reality. But, when Survivors are brave to speak up for the reality, then they are leaving a legacy of hope for the next generation, that they do not fall into that same pit of hellish horrors.

The stuff on the chickens is astounding that they thought it was just fine for you young girls to be doing all that. I wonder if they ever did anything to prevent disease being spread around through such obvious child neglect and abuses. This is an unclean thing to have allowed young children to be doing. In the Old Testament the standards of cleanliness were far higher, and Roloff with his "Platform Stance" on being holy and pure does nothing more now than ring with a hollow sound; a tinklng symbol and a clanging noise  
::drummer:: .
And allowing young girls to play with the innards of animals is to me the affront to any standard of helping them to be clean nice christian young ladies. A big slap in the face of thier claim of teaching you all to be cleaned up christian young ladies: how double minded!

This was NOT the fault of the kids, this is the neglect of sound healthy child care and oversight. And this also has not one single iota of a thing to do with keeping government out of the worship services of a church. This kind of horrifying neglect is the very reason WHY laws are made, to PREVENT such lack of oversight, and to create arches of protection for the young that they will be sheilded from such abuses, and neglect, and be allowed to thrive in the healthy environments that are clean and balanced.

The memories of the Culloden compound, these are good for others to help them build a better picture of Culloden.

The unique thing about Culloden is that it was indeed a  known stopping point for the Rebekah Girls, yet, there is a near absence of any Rebekah girl bravely speaknig up and talknig about the compound.

I find it vastly interesting that Roloff went and got women out of jail to work with in that compound.
Women with nothing else much to lose. Maybe women who had no advocate on thier side.

Roloff and his backwoods education system should be shamed from here to kingdom come. What do these people think?

Many of the small private schools from the 1970's did not keep professional records and there have been those who have lost all track of records: this is a crime of serious child neglect. And a real shame for them that they do this to kids whose only chance of being credited with thier education is through those small schools.
God is a God who does things in an orderly fashion. And this loss of records for you and many of the young girls and boys, shows such a disorderly manner of doing things, that it does not reflect who God is at all! And in fact, the bible explicity says, that where there is confusion and disorder, there is every evil work.
See: 1Cor.14:33; 2Thess.3:6,7

A barn has got to be the limit on things here. That is pitiful. I am shocked at these cult people of Roloffs that they let you girls do these things with the chickens! This really shows only one thing, it shows that these people in charge of you all , were irresponsible and abusive and guilty of severe child neglect. This was indeed child labor, and they should have been hiring fullbodied adults to do the chicken cleaning and food preparation on this magnitude of a scale. But it of course was far cheaper for them to use the children in this and mistreat them in this horrendous manner! I am angered that they did this to the young girls!
 :flame:

I am sorry they did this to you and the other young girls. You should have been given the freedom to grow inside of healthy habits, not child labor.  

Working the fields in Corpus Christi is not a laughing matter! It gets hot, and I bet some of you poor girls had sunburned skin for a good while.
The image of Lester Roloff walking the fields with his bible sounds insane! Walking the fields screaming out scripture and watching young girls who were abandoned and abused and emotionally wounded labor away getting cuts and brusise while he got to walk through the fields screaming out the Scripture, is to me a very insane image for this person. Did he spend the same amount of time in the fields as you all did? And with you all ?

This man sounds capable of many untold other areas of split thinking and acting. He was so into health and preached health foods and believed that diet was part of the issue with teen problems. Yet, he permitted you girls to be that unsupervised doing the chickens, I am still astounded that they thought this was sound Child Care in any way form or fashion. What a shocking thing that if there was a school today doing that, they would be shut down before the sun set this day!

I wonder how much he allowed and didn't blink an eye. I wonder how much Roloff saw and condoned. I wonder what made him think this stuff was sane and okay to permit and allow.


Why did the girl named Joan live with Roloff for a year? Why did she not live in the dorm with the rest of you girls? Why was she set out as different? Can you explain that? That is astounding and sheds even more light into Roloffs character and thinking.



Sharing about Mrs Roloff was very brave and very enlightening! I commend you for your bravery. But remember if you want to share something , you can also share it anonymously and or with your name to protect yourself. This is part of the safety behind this kind of forum board.

What kind of a man thought that it was okay to slap you clear across the room just because you confront him with something true? The double standard, the split between his Platform Stance and his real behind the scenes life. That is astounding! And it should be highlighted.

I wonder how he treated his wife? Did he also here have his famous "Platform Stance" and preaching marriage standards to all, and then had the split of a different man in the house he shared with his wife? If he slapped you as if you were nothing, how did he treat his wife? And notice the split in thier marriage, she disagreed with him; how interesting.

The reason behind highlighting it is to help others to see that there was a split person in Roloff. That his show and his life were two separate realities.


There have been several reports of girls being tied to beds under the Roloff Enterprises umbrella.
Since I have already heard of this prior, I want to say , that I believe you and I believe this man and his split mind cult system were from all appearances into doing such things.

Thank you!
Sincerly,

Snowdrip.

from --- PureTruth  WellSpring

[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2005, 11:11:00 PM
snowdrip, were you in the homes?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
:flame:  Both of these relate to Roloffs homes & offshoots Rebecah and The Fountain home Bethell in Miss.
http://www.nopaddle.com/interviews.asp? ... ew_text_id (http://www.nopaddle.com/interviews.asp?interview_id=19&this_interview_id=19&this_interview_text_id)

http://www.nopaddle.com/interviews.asp? ... ew_text_id (http://www.nopaddle.com/interviews.asp?interview_id=35&this_interview_id=35&this_interview_text_id)

And YES! These are true accounts from survivors.
 Both are from
http://www.nopaddle.com/index.asp (http://www.nopaddle.com/index.asp)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 02:50:00 AM
((((((((((((((((((((((Maria )))))))))))))))))))
((((((((((((((((((((((Elizabeth ))))))))))))))))))
((((((((((((((((((((((Esperonza)))))))))))))))))))
 As are we three!
MANY MANY MANY MANY,HUGS And more Love!
 After all these years wondering if you's were okay.  Im so glad to find you! But so sorry it has to be here. Please be here still! Or if any one knows where they are tell them to come and read & reply to me? Sis and Carla send there love too. Viola about died when I told her I found a post from you. I had to print it and take it to her. Oh Elizabeth, Sis will never be the same ethier.
 :sad: I just recently got her back from the hospital again. Im so sorry to hear about Esperonza. Give her a hug for me and read the letter for her? Tell her Carla sends her love. As do myself and Vi! We Talk of yous often to this day its been 27 years now, but you have never been forgoten. Please write me back?
 Love and Hugs,
 Rose
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 08:32:00 PM
i remember once being in a cabin place, there was horizontal boards going along the walls, there were wood floors, teh place was extremely clean and spotless.
i recall white curtains blowign there, and nice furniture,

there was a white fur rug on teh floor...by the fire place mantel....i remember Cameron in this place, Wiley Cameron Sr.
under that rug was a trap door, and it led down undergroudn...

but i do not know where this is at, and am wondering if it was the place you talk of in georgia
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 09:42:00 PM
This is the oldest black church in Savannah that now sponsers "The Land of Promise", which used to be a Roloff compound in nearby Culloden.




http://excursia.com/destinations/USA/GA ... tory.shtml (http://excursia.com/destinations/USA/GA/savannah/stories/20000712/att_blackhistory.shtml)

The first is at the First African Baptist Church of Savannah. The building on Franklin Square was the first brick building owned by blacks in the state of Georgia. The Negro Heritage Tour offers a viewing of the church's archives, which include charters, letters and a collection of silver and pewter used in church ceremonies since its founding.
there are three points of special interest in the church.
On the floor one sees a variety of diamond-shaped patterns bored into the wood. Thirty-six in total, these are airholes leading to hidden chambers beneath the floor from the days when the First African Baptist Church was a stop on the Underground Railroad. These chambers anchor 14 tunnels that branch out from beneath the church; Brown explains that the entrances to the tunnels are still hidden today.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 16, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 16, 2005, 09:51:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 10:17:00 PM
somebody found what???? we can do a full fledged investigtion, but caution,
k
there is more than meets the eye here!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 10:21:00 PM
Tunnels and Caves run throughout the entirity of that whole area of Georgia State.

Here are some more places near Savannah that tie with the tunnels underground.

Have heard also that there is supposed to be an underground military base, but i do not credit the source as 100% reliable. So it must be proven.

Savannah, Georgia had many neat things for a family. We had lunch in a converted house that was purportedly once a pirate's house (complete with underground tunnel to the docks). Museums and docks were a fun visit.
http://pics.misterblue.com/199505-Trip/york.htm (http://pics.misterblue.com/199505-Trip/york.htm)



http://southeast.cefpi.org/2004conference/children.html (http://southeast.cefpi.org/2004conference/children.html)

The Pirates' House Restaurant ??..that during its early days as an inn for sailors and pirates many a poor seafaring lad awoke to find that he had been shanghaied though a secret tunnel below the inn that led underground to the riverfront to an anchored ships awaiting their kidnapped crews.

 ::smokingun::

I am not too clear on the distance between Savannah and Culloden. But can certianly find out. I seem to read online that the tunnels go for miles.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 16, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 16, 2005, 11:54:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 17, 2005, 01:28:00 AM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2005, 09:36:00 PM
YES I WAS THEIR IN 87-90 MY NAME WAS SHERRI CHAPMAN E-MAIL ME [email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2005, 06:22:00 PM
I WAS IN THE REBEKAH HOME FOR GIRLS FROM 78-80 YOU CAN E-MAIL ME AT [email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2005, 06:55:00 PM
::bump::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 21, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2005, 10:30:00 PM
Quote
On 2004-05-01 22:59:00, nett wrote:

"i was there in 79 -80 and seen none of what you are saying

Any Irishman who doubts the reality of selective enforcement ought to take just a moment to comtemplate the etymology of the term "paddy waggon".
--Antigen

"
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on February 25, 2005, 11:21:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2005, 10:59:00 AM
Hi, there is a new safe healing forum for Sister Survivors of Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls in Corpus Christi Texas. Open to the sister survivors from the 1970's and 1980's

here is how to find it:

here is the link to the main delphiforums page
http://www.delphiforums.com/?basic (http://www.delphiforums.com/?basic)
you see the top left corner a blue box, it will offer that you are either a member or NEW?

to register click on the NEW? and follow the steps of free registration, etc...
then go to the Rebekah's Soul forum page to login...

http://forums.delphiforums.com/RoloffSurvivors/ (http://forums.delphiforums.com/RoloffSurvivors/)

the Name of this Rebekah Forum is:

Rebekah's Soul

it is there for healing, connection, validation and safety. Please be sure to read the Start page once you have logged in, it helps guide the forums purpose and directions. And will ensure that it is a place, to feel ok inside of.

if you cannot prove to me that you are a true sister survivor from the 1970's and 1980's you will be locked out permanently. to ensure a safer forum for the true sister survivors.



thanks
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2005, 05:05:00 PM
My name is Rachel W.  I live near Kansas City, MO, and was at Rebekah from late July of 2000, until late May of 2001.  I was 15-16 years old when I was there; now I am 20.  After I left, my mother thought it would be best for me to go somewhere else before I came home, so I could be counseled and and the transition back to society would not be as rough.  At the time I got out, I was in a state of emotional shut-down, a coping mechanism that the mind uses when one has gone through severe trauma.  After some weeks at the new facility, my counselor (who also became my friend) cautiously told me that I was going through a form of post-traumatic stress syndrome.  I was incredulous at first, because if she were right, I would have to find a way to resolve things in my mind.  I had no idea where to begin.
The attack on the body was unimportant in comparison to the attack on the mind.
The McNamera's didn't REALLY do the things they did for the sake of money.  I believe Bill McNamera has deep-seated mental problems.  He needed to have the moral highground at all times; he had to be better.  He and his 'helpers' didn't want the righteousness of GOD, they wanted God to proclaim THEM righteous.  So he bullied a bunch of screwed-up, female youth that was obviously, to him, always beneath him, then called himself good for stooping low enough to beat us into submission, telling HIMSELF more than us that it was for 'our own good'.
Well, my time's up at the library & I have to get off the computer now.

If anyone knows how to find Brittany Campbell, please post.



R.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on March 12, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2005, 03:41:00 PM
There is a rebekah home still in existence, except it is now spelled rebecca home.  If you want to find out more, go to http://www.roloffhomes.org (http://www.roloffhomes.org).  The website doesn't tell you much, but you might recognize the names of some of the people currently running this home which I think is in Florida, because a group of girls came to our church from there and told us about the ministry, which I am really worried about after reading this.  Keep writing.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on April 21, 2005, 11:59:00 AM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
COME ON YOU THAT KNOW THE REALITY

THEY CANNOT GET YOU NOW, YOU ARE GROWN

YOU HAVE POWER

CAUSE YOU ARE NOT UNDER THEM ANYMORE
===

ANONYMOUS FESSIONS

WOULD DO A LOT OF CLEARING OF THE AIR

WHAT DO YOUR NIGHTMARES TELL YOU? WHAT DO YOUR FLASHBACKS SAY TO YOU? ARE YOU LISTENING TO THEM OR ARE YOU ALL STILL HIDING UNDER THE LIES THEY POUNDED TO COVER THIER OWN SINS?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2005, 06:01:00 PM
ITS THE PREACHERS WHO SHOUT THE LOUDEST AGAINST THE JEZEBELS AND WHORES WHO HAVE ISSUES WITH SEX.

THEY SPLIT THIER MINDS INTO TWO WORLDS

DID THEY TOUCH YOU ?
THEY WOULD DO IT AND THEN CONVINCE YOU IT WAS YOUR OWN EVIL IMAGINATION
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
THEY MADE US FORGET THE HELL WITH THE DOPE, THEY POURED INTO OUR VIENS JUST LIKE A PIMP WOULD DO, DRUG YOU TO MAKE IT ALL NUMB

THEN CONVINCE YOU , TO BELIEVE YOU WERE CRAZY IF YOU TRIED TO BELIEVE WHAT YOUR OWN MIND WAS SAYING

BELIEVE IN YOUR SELF

NOT THEM

LET IT OUT
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
ANYONE KNOW HIM AS:

"DADDY ROLOFF"

????????????
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2005, 06:12:00 PM
THERE IS A CONDITION THAT ELIZABETH SMART SUFFERED AND PATTY HEARST SUFFERED

ITS TAGGED STOCKHOLM SYNDROME

ITS WHERE THE VICTIM EMOTIONALLY BONDS TO THE PERPETRATOR IN ORDER TO SURVIVE.

THIS IS DONE TO HELP A VICTIM TO SURVIVE A BEATING OR COERCIVE CONTROL OVER THIER OWN WILL.

IT IS DONE TO SURVIVE

IF YOU ARE NOW OUT AND AN ADULT YOU ARE NO LONGER UNDER THIER POWER, AND ARE FREE TO REMEMBER ADN FREE TO HEAL.


THIER PERVERTED STATEMENTS OF THEM BEATING US AND WE LOVING THEM FOR IT.

THEY ARE SO DISTORTED, TO BE BEATEN BLUE AND BLACK AND BLOODY IS SOEMTHING THAT TELLS ONE THAT THEY ARE UGLY

THEN TO TURN AROUND AND HUG HER AND OR HIM AND SAY " I LOVE YOU"

THAT IS SICK

IT IS THE STOCKHOLM SYNDROME AND IT BONDS ONE TO THEM AND CONFUSES THE ISSUE. IT IS A NEED TO SURVIVE AND GAIN THE SYMPATHY OF THE ONE DOING THE TORMENT.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2005, 09:06:00 PM
Here are my answers to these questions.  I do, however, question the person asking them.  What is your interest in this forum?  Are you a survivor, a relative, an activist?


1. Why were you put into these religious juvenile homes?

I ran away from home and my mother sent me there to avoid the state investigating why.

2. Were you given counseling before or during the stay at these homes?

does going to shrinks for years prior and years after count?

3. Did these homes have any positive impacts on your life as an adult who functions as a citizen of the United States?

Not in any way I can think of

4. Did these homes have any negative impacts on your life as an adult who functions as a citizen of the US?

yes, I have serious commitment issues

5. Have you suffered mentally or emotionally because of the kind of treatement found in these extreme religious homes?

Yes

6. Have your prospered mentally or emotionally because of the kind of treatment foudn in these homes?

No, I don't think so

7. Has the experiences you have gone through in these Homes brought you closer to God as some of your parents had hoped for?

Not at all, I came to God many years later on my own

8. Have the experiences you have gone through in these homes caused you to revolt away from the God of the Bible?

For many years it did

9. Has the homes helped you to thrive in the world as a person who can give to thier community or has it left you shortchanged in your ability to interact healthily in the community around you? Meaning have you found yourself handicapped in knowing how to give your time in work in the community to bring social help to it?

Hard to say how much the homes actually affected me, but I share a lot of issues with other survivors

10. What do you say is the number 1 cause that brought you to the homes? i.e. what was the straw that broke the camels back , that opened the door to these places for you in your young life?

Pastor recommendation


11. Was there ever a time during your stay in the homes that you were not given fair medical treatment for any illness or physical problem?

I never really had a health problem, but saw it happen several times with other girls.

12. Was there ever a time in your stay that you were given medical treatment without proper medical documentation of it? or , Given prescriptive medications without proper prescription by a Safe Medical doctor?

No, medication was avoided.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
Sasafras who are you? What are you going to do with this info? Why hasn't anyone ever tried to get back onto 60 minutes and talked about these issues?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2005, 11:53:00 PM
1. Why were you put into these religious homes?
I was sneaking out and partying. My dad cut my hair off as punishment and I ran away from home. They didn't know what else to do so they sent me away when they conned me into to going on vacation with them to bring the family closer together.

2.Were you given couseling before or during the stay at these homes?
no

3.Did these homes have any positive impacts on your life as an adult who functions as a citizen of the US?
no

4.Did these homes have any negative impacts on your life as an adult who functions as a citizen of the US?
YES

5.Have you suffered mentally or emotionally because of the kind of treatment found in these homes?
YES

6.Have prospered mentally or emotionally because of the kind of treatment in these homes?
no

7.Has the experiences you have gone through in these homes brought you closer to God as some of your parents had hoped for?
no the opposite

8.Has the experiences you have gone through in these homes caused you to revolt away from the God of the Bible?
Yes but I still believe in him

9.Has the homes helped you to thrive in the world as a person who can give to ther community or has left you shortchanged in your ability to interact healthily in the community around you? Meaning have you found yourself handicapped in knowing how to give your time in work in the community to brig social help to it?
Shortchanged and handicapped but I work hard at changing my inabilities.


10. What do you say is the number 1 cause the brought you to the homes?
pastor

11.Was there ever a time during your stay in the homes that you were not given fair medical treatment for any illness or physical problem?
no

12.Was there ever a time in your stay that you were given medical treatment without proper medical documentation of it? or, Given prescriptive medications without proper prescription by a Safe medical doctor?
no

13.Was there any love given from any one staff member in the place?
no
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
1. Why were you put into these religious juvenile homes?
I was tricked into going.i did alot of drugs and stuff.

2. Were you given counseling before or during the stay at these homes?
I had seen a psychiatrist a few years before.

3. Did these homes have any positive impacts on your life as an adult who functions as a citizen of the United States?

4. Did these homes have any negative impacts on your life as an adult who functions as a citizen of the US?
Yes

5. Have you suffered mentally or emotionally because of the kind of treatement found in these extreme religious homes?
Yes

6. Have your prospered mentally or emotionally because of the kind of treatment foudn in these homes?
No

7. Has the experiences you have gone through in these Homes brought you closer to God as some of your parents had hoped for?
No

8. Have the experiences you have gone through in these homes caused you to revolt away from the God of the Bible?
Yes

9. Has the homes helped you to thrive in the world as a person who can give to thier community or has it left you shortchanged in your ability to interact healthily in the community around you? Meaning have you found yourself handicapped in knowing how to give your time in work in the community to bring social help to it?
Handicapped

10. What do you say is the number 1 cause that brought you to the homes? i.e. what was the straw that broke the camels back , that opened the door to these places for you in your young life?
My friends mother.

11. Was there ever a time during your stay in the homes that you were not given fair medical treatment for any illness or physical problem?
I don't think I was ever sick.

12. Was there ever a time in your stay that you were given medical treatment without proper medical documentation of it? or , Given prescriptive medications without proper prescription by a Safe Medical doctor?
I was given a pill once.Don't know what it was.I was forced to drink epsom salts often.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
13. Just by reading this quick and effective log of what IS abuse, can you say you were abused in the homes?
Yes
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on May 13, 2005, 11:59:00 AM
hey all my name is eric sharman i was in anchor from jan 82 to jan 85. thought i would cum in and say hey all
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on May 13, 2005, 12:10:00 PM
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, we have all been in the roloff homes, so fucking what! how long has it been? me over 20 god damned years, i've gotten over it, have you? yes we were all abused. are you abusing children now? so whats the point? do ya'll need this pity party?get over it. yer not in the homes now, all we can do is make sure kids dont get put in homes such as these. homes r sprouting all over the states in the name of god, what god? dont whine about the past shit we all went through, do something now! dont be a panzy. search for those that hurt u and bring retrobution to their eyes.
                               eric sharman
                               anchortraz 82-85 :flame:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on May 13, 2005, 01:43:00 PM
hi eric .well you definatley got your point across! some of these people had terrible problems before the homes, and i think the homes made them much worse. you dont know there backgrounds so you cant tell them to get over it. Really. i do though like your point on doing something about it,the homes need someone to shut them down for good. ive talked about a civil suit but havent proceeded.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on May 13, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
being in the homes for 2 1/2 yrs gave me insight to many of the home lives prior to the homes.the homes were worse for many.i myself would have rather been in the homes then be at with my family. i have met up with many lets call them grads of the homes, and i talk to many online, we have discovered that the past is the past. i witnessed many things while in corpus, and the main word is witnessed.i have been approached by a few lawyers and NO MATTER WHAT COURT YOU GO TO, YOU WILL LOSE THE CASE!!!!! fuck the courts! get even the way they abused you. i have,so ya'll might as well get on the band wagon.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on May 13, 2005, 04:38:00 PM
and how do you get even the way they abused us?
they abuse so we are suposed to abuse?
now thats sounds reasonable!!! NOT!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on May 13, 2005, 05:26:00 PM
first off my name is eric sharman, i was in anchor from 82 to 85.if u dont identify yourself DO NOT RESPOND TO ME!!!!! i know most of the people that were thee from the time that i was there. even the rebekah girls remember me, so people if your to chicken shit to indentify yourself---> GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!! :flame:
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on May 13, 2005, 06:52:00 PM
excellent response! you have alot of class! you also have knowledge and are a very smart person.
Thank you for your input and grace.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on May 13, 2005, 07:03:00 PM
you are a fraud ! you are talking like a 17 year old.you really angry young man. i am sorry for your issues
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2005, 07:19:00 PM
Eric, What do you care if someone wants to vent thier feelings? Have you really taken the time to leason to yourself? You are the biggest attention grabber of all. You whine the loudest or should I say beller. You have become your abuser by abusing fellow surviviors. You don't have to attack them with cuss words or jump on thier backs because they want to voice thier fears? What gives you the right? Who do you think you are? You strut around with your butt in the air and act like you know it all. Eric was there for 21/2 years,So what? Eric knows it all.He has seen it all. Well you don't know half as much as you think you do! There where people in there that went through much more than you,and where there longer than you! You have your workers that you just loved so much like the Camorans who by the way hurt alot of people!
Who are you calling grads? Most of those people wern't even there when roloff was alive! If you are talking about graduating from Roloffs school Well that an't saying much. You are not even close to the top of the Roloff chain. Go back to the end of the line please. Your vicious,cruel, and hold no intellectual weight here. You are predictable and boring, same old, same old story.
you only tell it if you you want attention for poor Eric. You have no direction, Thats is why you are always running in circles chasing that nosey butt of yours. You should be ashamed.
Let me guide you to the corner where you left your dunce hat so you can put it back on. Maybe we could call Nanny 911. You are short sided
and a selfish coward, and a rude host- destructive of all you encounter feelings.
Your pity party begains now. Come on everybody drinks are on me. P.S. If you don't like what people say in here go some where else You are just a guppy in the Roloff sea. You'll never be missed. GUPPY GUPPY GUPPY GUPPY GUPPY GUPPY!!!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on May 13, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
you are right on it! good for you, good post!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2005, 12:14:00 AM
Let the thunder roll! It is long over due.
now that gave me the chills, because if it is remotely close to the sound of the many crys,Then and only then will they take notice. Problem is just putting the links togather.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2005, 07:59:00 AM
wow...you are right.
IT is about finding the connections. Of Course with the "Information Control Cops of the Roloff System"
it is pretty well buried information. These missing connections.
But with persistance and solidarity, Anything can be brought into the light of knowledge and understanding.


Thanks
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2005, 09:03:00 AM
Everything and anything that had to do with our treatment there is pretty much burried or probaly burned. I can't even get my school reacords.
When I did return to a public school and they sent for my records the reply back was that they had been buned in a fire. Therefore I had to start from square one. No credits. Zero. Any diarys where not aloud. I kept a few but had them hidden on the farm. Any pictures taken had to be processed through them. We where never aloud to send a roll of film home. Pictures  but only the ones they allowed. The link will never be joined until all join hands and become one voice. If they are firm and loud only then will people leason. Right now for me it feels like nobody is really on the same page. It feels like a bunch of people in the same room, and we are leasoning to this person and that  but none in agreement on the same subject- which is, close them down for Gods sake,Close them down. I don't belive any two hands are going to move this mountain. It is going to take alot of them togather. Eric was right about one thing and that is people have to direct thier anger towards changing things, If not for thier self for thier children,so these mistakes do not repeat them selfs. He just lets his anger get in the way of what he is trying to say, and takes it out on the wrong people. I think what he was trying to say minus the foul language is that everybody is talking about it but nobody is doing anything about it. I am not defending him,
Just that he made a single valid point.
But as sasafrass said nobody is going to leason to some one who is angry. defeats the purpose.
Nobody leasons to someone who is to angry to think. Anger serves no purpose.
There are a lot of chains shacking and making noise, but only until they are joined will they be the loudest and effective. I pray I am alive for that day. Because it will be music to my ears. Question remainds however,Who will join them? and when? How much presious time is being waisted before we do something about it?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on May 15, 2005, 11:28:00 AM
you r so funny,im just tired of people who whine about the abuse,we all were abused in the homes, just get over it. all you can do is make sure it doesnt happen to any of your own family. that is what matters. friends that were staff,lol, thats a laugh.just to let you know, i found a staff memeber in florida once. i did to him what he did to me.i showed him what it was like to have the fear of god in his eyes.and if i ever find the other staff memebers they will pay also.retrobution i think it was preached to us and retrobution it is.  i have always been an attention getter because i am an action taker and not a pacifist.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2005, 02:05:00 PM
It bothers me because they promoted secrets and wanted it kept hidden what was done to us. That's why are mail was read and our phone calls were listened to but if we tell our story with our name we help ourselves and others by being open and honest. Hiding behind anoymous helps no one because it promotes distrust. I have no problem telling people who I am and when I was there but for some reason you do. I was there from 82-83 id you have been reading you will know who I am and my story. Look closely. Shame on you for assuming I wasn't there because I'm questioning why you won't identify yourself.

You have good points but what are you going to do? Eric is right a lawsuit does nothing and dwelling on something that has happend twenty some years ago does no good. I couldn't imagine being in that place for two and and a half years I can only imagine the torment it has caused a young mans heart ans soul the lasting effects of being there for only a year has been so great but I'm not dwelling or even sad any more it was just a time and a place. I have anger too but I have fought to rid myself of it. I will blame no one for the choices I've made in life and I can do nothing about the decisions people have made for me other than learn from them. We should be good to one another not lash out. That place diffently didn't teach me to be good to others and it showed me no live.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
One look forward is worth a thousand looks back!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
What People try to get across to you,That is beyond me- why you don't get it,Is that everyone has to juggle it  within or without them selfs- In thier own way. I understand that it just feels like a thousand needles going through you when people-
Your quote "WHINE". And If that being the case,
Has it ever crossed your mind that they might need your support? You being the action taker?
You come across as thier enemy,hostile, to say the least. Ready to interlock horns with the frist person who dosen't get out of your way.
Why are you so quick to jump on the people
Who share your pain? And don't say, There is none
because it jumps out of the screen with every word you wright. Mostly in the form of daggers-
But it is very much alive.
Your point is well taken that we don't want this to happen to our familys or there family.
That they must be stopped. You are right on that one to. Someone has to stop them. But Is insuing
violence really the answer? A mental veiw of this
of this for me is standing in the middle of a red ant pile, There are more of them than you.
And as long as you stand there in it they will not go away and you will get stung. You have to find the queen. Or a bunch of nasty little cockroaches, Kill one, 2 hundred more pop up.
Stopping the source is key. But- You, being a dog eat dog visionary will be waiting a long time for "Your Retribution"  I am no pacifist-And would be a lier if i deneyed that. I also would like to smash some of thier face's in, Just makes me tingle all over! I am sure we all feel that way when we sit alone with ourselfs and the anger makes us shake all over. But for most of us it is not within us to go beat someones head in. If you want to continue this path be my guest.
Won't hurt my feelings. But take YOUR RETRIBUTION
out on them. Not some "Girl" Who dosen't need or want to get jumped on by someone within the same prison camp she has suffered through.
I believe you when you say you carryed that out on a staff member. But hurting another human being
for what ever reason is just wrong to bragg about. And I do know this first hand.
You know Eric, An Action taker dosen't usealy
want or need the attention because that is not what it is about. Its about "RETRIBUTION" Which can come in all forms shapes and sizes, Even for some "Whiner" Who might just surprize you- Find the Queen and get the job done-without ever getting stung once.
Or sence you are the smartest boy on the block
and you think you have all the answers-
That you can out witt us all, Then you better get busy and shouldn't be waisting your time.
Go on! You have a lot of heads to smash in.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
First of all I would like to get our facts straight. So there is no confussion.
What Anonymous person would you 82-83
Are you speaking to? I do not know your story.
Nor do I know you. You have also posted anonymous. I have assumed nothing,Nor questioned
That you where in any home? I don't recall ever
talking to you personally. Refresh me please. So we may clear up any miss-understanding.
You have done nothing to me, so I have no problem with you. I share what ever heart break
the home has caused you. And am sorry for your pain. It has been a hard road for all of us. Inclueding me. I do not feel sorry for myself,
Nor do I dwell on what happen to me. Which I again do not recall telling any one about on these posts. I only voiced that I belived that
every one coming togather and promoting awareness
was key. That togather we could be heard. I am sorry if you distrust me because I choose not to use my name. I do not distrust you. You have a right to your private imfomaton and I respect that,It is your privilege.I have no desire to question- Who you are, or cause you harm in any shape or form. And hope those feelings are returned. I will tell you I was in Rebekah Home
For almost 4 years. And I was there way before the 80's. I very much know what each and every one feels to a certain degree me having first hand experance and knowledge. My heart down to my very soul dose share your feelings. All of them. You are right we should be good to each other and not lash out, That we should stand beside each other. I agree with you totally
But will not stand by idle or tolerate him
talking that way to any fellow survivor
I never said Eric wasn't right about filing a lawsuit wouldn't work. I never said Eric wasn't right about dwelling on it. What I did say to Eric was that he has a right to his own feelings
But he is wrong to cuss out someone else for expressing them. He was being very insensative
and rude to someone who just wanted to express those feelings. And That my fellow  survivor Is just wrong. It is rude and painful for someone who has done nothing to encounter a brow beating
such as that. Instead of useing the f word and said  Get over it! How hard would it have been to say "I am sorry you are hurting but I have tried to get past it and put it behind me and It is working for me." His tactics achieve nothing.
I for one know it is hard enough what you have been through- but to be talked to like he talked to them- by some one who basicly been through what you have is even more hurtful. You expect it from the home , but not from the people within it. I am very sorry if I upset you by letting him have it right back. But this is not his first rodeo And he has talked to other girls this way who didn't even know him. There is no excuse for it. Why do you defend him? I was hurt to by the home but I don't use it to hurt those or judge those that never caused me harm. He has gotten by with this abuse far to long. And if by me saying something about it offends you or hurts you in any way- that was not my intension- and for that I am very sorry. I mean really mean that. If you know him as your friend maybe you could convince him, that, before he speaks
to try to take others feelings in to account.
That by useing that tone and the cuss words dose not promote his cause what ever that being.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
Healing is the very best 'revenge' available...

when we become whole, we take away the impact of what was done.

AND we STOP the harm from the Roloffs from going any further on...like saying , "The Lies and Abuse adn Falseness stop here with me!! I choose to deal with it not pretend it aint there"


work on healing...work for wholeness and the ability to make sure we dont pass the abuses on to the next generation.

its not the past that is need of healing, it is the present in need of healing.


if you had been in an accident 10 years ago and your bones got broken, but you never healed properly, you would not be able to function at the same ability had you of not ever been broken. But say, 10 years down the road you find in front of you a chance to redo that and heal properly. why would you rather go on in the distorted healing and not seek for the correct healing? why go thru life a cripple leaning on things to get on thru, when one can redo it all?

its not the past that needs healing, it is the present that is in need of help.

to sit and say, well that happened 10 years ago, and i dont let teh past affect me, well, howdy doody aint you so brave! lookie here.....you are hobbling round like a cripple and refusing to acknowlege that someone hurt you. why? why is it that so many survivors dont want to so called "blame" those who hurt them? i always scatch my head and wonder why?

ok, they accept that the broken bones is thier own doing, well, i disagree with that, there are reasons, always reasons, and it is not a blame game at all, but it is a reality situation of what is broken adn needs repair and healing. period, it aint about retribution, it aint about looking in the past,

IT IS ABOUT THE PRESENT TENSE AND THE HEALING THAT IS YELLING OUT TO BE HEALED.

if your car got broken down, say because the guy at the auto place did you wrong, cause he was out to get more money out of the deal he cut with you on doing your engine job....say, you are now stuck on the road and your engine aint doing what the guy said it should...you find out the coming week that he lied to you, and did you wrong...

now well, dont blame the turd, k? just gloss over it and smile and say, "It was my own fault, i chose that automachanic, cant blame him for what i chose to do"

see how idiotic that is? it is idiotic to not lay the wrong at the right door,

you see? he promised something, HE PROMISED you a new and fixed engine that would do its job,

same with Roloff, Roloff PROMISED things, and he did it dirty, he robbed, and he sold us girls to make his own pockets fat. And his disciples carry on his tradition.

but, according to some survivors, the bad things happened but it aint the fault of none but ourself...

THAT IS A LIE

a LIE

sorry...go think about it, why were you put there in roloffs? why?

for me it was because i was severely depressed and had cut my arm. the reason? there is a real reason behind my depression and suicide attempt....
the REASON that is REAL and true is that i was reacting to a real situation of sexual abuses on my person.

THAT is the truth, now ....did i deserve to be locked up and behind locked doors, cemented windows, alarms, a gaurd tower, chain link fenceing with barbed wires? beaten till i bled for trying to talk or call out for help? lockedinot solitary confinement for day cause i had tried in vain to do someting to gain me real help?


there is a justice in calling what is black, black adn what is grey grey....what is white white, adn what is blue blue,

but dont dangit call a blue a red!!! or red a blue!!!

heal in the presetn,you will know if you need it by the amount of pain you have in your life..the pain taht you swallow pills for, the pain that keeps you bound into prisons of self harm, the pain that keeps you swallowing down the liquour and or addictied to pornogrpahy...

the PAIN is in PRESENT [email protected][email protected] not PAST [email protected]!

there is a difference
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on May 15, 2005, 07:09:00 PM
people that cuss and have violent tempers towards the homes is proof that they havent healed and gotten past it, the obscenities are out of fear and hurt, that lies very deep within  those kinds of people. we can all have decent manners and repect for each other regardless of our opinions that we are entitled to. being rude to someone who hasnt gotten over it is simply inhumane. in my opinion whenever there is rudeness from a post i will simply not respond. it helps me cope better, and it is one way to shut the rude ones up. Dont respond. Dont give them the satisfaction. :em:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2005, 07:13:00 PM
another case scenerio is

say, like you had to go to a dentist,, all because you had broken a tooth and it now was getting infected.

you broke the tooth simply because you had been in the way of a flying fist from someone you had trusted.

k...so you open the yellow pages and flip thru a few names, there are about 100 names of dentists to choose from.

you decide on one that looks very promising and safe to you.

you call it and set the appointment, you go on the day of hte appointment, knowing this dentist would do something to help you and yoru poor tooth out.

he smiles and promises it wont be nothing but  thing and tells you to lay back an relax.
you do,
then he says you will need anesthesia, so you comply, trusting. he puts you out, then rapes you...
you found out later that you had been used.

but even then, its too late, the damage had been done to your spirit and psyche. too late,

you decide not to sue or you decide not to blame the guy. after all it was all your fault (according to someones logic here on this board) it was in your minds eye your fault, for you chose that dentist, therefore your reasonnig and logic are telling you that it is not the fault of anyones that you now are saddled with nightmares and ptsd and social paranoia....why? because your logic dear is telling you thta it was your fault.

that is some faulty thinking and logic filled with holes nad keeps you hiding your pain, and not dealing with your pain.


later
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on May 15, 2005, 09:36:00 PM
some people feel that whom ever yells the loudest wins. or whoever bites the hardest wins.
This kind of logic gets you no where.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2005, 11:03:00 PM
Nobody should have to scream or bite and nobody should ever have to be afraid to express thier feelings ever again. and all should be free to leason,to read to wright and live for a better tommrow. Especially after today because it really sucked. But today is over and I hope all of this.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: GentleStormi on May 15, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
(((((((((((((((Rebekah Sisters Survivors))))))))))))))



holdin you in my heart, here and caring...

it matters , it simply matters, YOU matter....
they matter, we all matter.

GentleStormi
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on May 16, 2005, 12:08:00 AM
being in the homes were shitty,but for me better then being home.we all have the strength. some find it quicker then others.we were taught to love another, all i learned was hatred.this primal emotion, boiled in all of us while attending the, lets says "schools"( only to be polite).the thing to learn is how to direct it.i have met up with many now adults from the homes, anchor, lighthouse,city of refuge and some rebekah.i talk to many still to this day. they all went threw the same stuff. dont sit there, do something.courts will be in their favor.why, because they sent us, and our parents sent us to these homes.what about the kids that had to be raised on that farm? think of them and how bad they had it.what about the adult homes? being in anchor for 2 1/2 yrs, i knew many. the light house would hospitalize their runners. grant it, it is ALL wrong. all i say is stand, dont sit. we are better then them
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on May 16, 2005, 12:10:00 AM
actaully there are crack addicts that will do anykind of dirty work for 20 bucks
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 02:07:00 AM
Now this is the person that gets things done.
This is the person deep down that got lost through it all. The one who has the abilaty to get the possitive attention to do grate things and make a change in peoples lifes with your voice without rage. I can't understand you because you have the right things inside you to acomplish grate things. This is the man without the mask. You should take it off more often,Because it belongs to them. You don't need it anymore,what is underneath shines so much brighter. Without it people will not only open thier minds and hear you clearly,they will open thier hearts,Then you will be the richest Man of all.With a new best friend- yourself.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 02:11:00 AM
For 10 bucks I bet they would stick thier own head up thier crack.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 02:15:00 AM
Sweet Trish.God love you.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 10:08:00 AM
eric what years were you in anchor?i was in rebekah in 85.i remember the talk about how lucky you anchor guys were cause you had nicer dorm parents, you didnt have the evil bitch mrs. barrett. yes we were all brainwashed. i am not saying you didnt suffer abuse BUT where in the hell did you get your counseling degree? to sit and say that you understand our experience the only common bond that you and i shared was church. i read in yahoo when i first came in that you stated to let me in the group , that maybe i had issues to deal with cause i was only 13 in rebekah. Please go back and read your postings issues, i think you are a little angry.

how old are you? do you have a life? or anything else to do? if you are not on fornits you are in yahoo.  Plus you lied about the msn groups existence. you acted like it didnt exist but yet you were a member. And now joining the bethesda group????? and also a fornits member??

in my opinion,you keep the b.s. alive in your head. and by reading your posts you are passing on no useful info. in fact you sound like my 15 year old son.i know as an adult things have happened in my life that i still have burdened on my shoulders. rebekah was hell and the camerons were evil.BUT I AM NOT ANGRY ANYMORE!!
REVENGE IS MINE SAITH THE LORD!
to find the ones that hurt you and seek them out and to hurt them back? how high school is that?

i have better things to do than to pay a bailbondsman for assault and battery. Yes i am very pissed but to put myself in the place of being arrested? i am way beyond going to jail.
not to be a bitch, sorry if i sound that way.......GROW THE FUCK UP AND GET A LIFE!
TO SAY THAT i HAVE ISSUES I AM NOT A GROWN MAN SITTING AT MY COMPUTER YAKKING WITH A BUNCH OF WOMEN ALL DAY LIKE YOU DO

just my opinion i mean no disrespect
signed, Amy Pemberton 85-86
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on May 16, 2005, 10:13:00 AM
http://groups.msn.com/RoloffEvangelisti ... .......... (http://groups.msn.com/RoloffEvangelisticEnterprisesInc............). heres the web address. and fuck u cunt dont get all high and mighty on me.didnt u leave that group?so now u come here for yer sympathy and pity party.what a laugh.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: wrathfulhoof1 on May 16, 2005, 10:28:00 AM
oh yea we had it easy, its so easy when children are raping other children, its so easy when children are taking 1x6 bed boards and beating other children, its so easy being 5 feet away from another child outside inour compound and all of a sudden he is bleeding all over the place cuz he got stabbed because he didnt want to give up his peanut butter sandwich to a bully.yes we at anchor had it soooooooo easy.yes im an angry man.who would be after experiencing these atrocities.staff memebers would take a kid out to town and he supposedly ran, when what really happens is he got thrown out of our van that we had on the side of the highway. yes we at anchor had the best treatment. im glad u clearified this for me.  thank you for showing me the light.there was a reason why we were at the end of the farm.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
You know Eric for a sweet second I thought you where going to actualy show some mannors and present your self as being semi human. I guess not.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 12:08:00 PM
invalidation is what keeps the wound ripped. validation is the most healing balm to be found inside of community.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
is there a wound that is IMPOSSIBLE to face??????

is there any thing to hard to heal????????

Healing comes thru words...words can heal or words can destroy.

""cant do anything now its too late, the damage is done and that is all I had""

spilled milk?

no, there is a way to heal. its never too late.
what is justice? My definition of justice is when the victim is made whole and restored. And the evildoers are brought to answer the Law.

Restored to the dignity of who they (survivors) are inside themself.

I would rather spend time in getting whole, and thereby being enabled to help others, than spend a life denying I am hurting.


Anchor sounds like a pit of hell and a dungeon made for satan to degrade young men, ...Eric has suffered, but also the others in there suffered too, rape of young men , violence....

this they condoned? how so they meet their maker?

pain cannot rest and heal until the justice is done. Heal, and help others.

The earliest survivors from early 1970's through the 1980's we carry the cross of not having been heard before. Had there been internet in our day, we could have spoken out. But the lack of ability to connect, the lack of joining together, made us powerless...made us voiceless....made us impotent to heal.

Had we the chance to be heard, maybe the Roloffs Systems of torture would not be around today. Its not too late to make a difference to care enough for someone besides ourself, to not sit there week upon week, wrapped up in our little selfish world..
but to begin to make that voice heard...

people say : "get over it" "get a life"....what in turdnation is that supposed to mean?

if you are a cripple cause of an accident 10 yers ago, you think it is a balanced thing to say to you , "Get over it!!" "Get a life" "Quit being a cripple!!""

sorry, i got to laugh...how absurb!!

emotional wounding is invisible, not like physical wounding, which the world does see, but emotional wounding is the very heart of passing on the curse to our kids...healing brings health ... validation brings healing...

you have to have eyes that see, and ears that hear the hurting to realize that they are wounded, ....

need to be validated, validation is vital to healing.
invalidation is the poison roloff would have you pour onto the survivors, invalidation is poison and lethal poison poured into the thoughts of those who were brainwashed to blame themself and not point a finger at "daddy roloff", who in the brainwashing of many of us, we were made to think of him as near to god himself...the man roloff was a little mean man,. nothing more.


one person alone cannot do the change and task needed to make sure the boys in the New Anchor home in Montana was it? to help ensure they are not being raped, and violence is not being done to them in the name of thier Creator....

links--chains--the first generation of survivors , all of us together can make it change.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 12:38:00 PM
She is right I got welcomed in that site with
A big fuck off stamped on my forhead by Eric to.
And then when I defended my self the girls took his side. Really hurt my feelings because it took me alot of years to finally reach out- I had no one who had understood or had been there and knew how i felt.i thought i had found a commen thread with some people who  did understand. Not true they swept the floor with me
Some not all re-phrase that sorry, It is like a click in there and if you do not get the eric approval stamp you get stomped. He runs around in there like he is playboy of the year. Talks to the girls nasty. It is a lot of waisted space on your computer with eric talking about leaveing a condom in a scrape book or in a grocrey store floor. He runs over the new girls in there and exclueds them if they don't play along with him, He acts like he knows everything,and bullys girls around. And nobody stands up to him. It all gets quite for a while and they go on like he has said nothing. And nobody says anything to him. It kinda feels like being grabed by the throat and slamed up against the wall and they are just standing there like oh well. He flirts with them all the time and if he is not the center of everything he blows.When the girls engaged in a topic he is quite for a while and the longer they talk the madder he gets
And then bam some poor soul who ever sets him off that day gets it. Most of them who do are so hurt they say nothing and most time just leaves.
The ones that do say something back get cussed out and jumped on by him. He is a bully. And he hurts people with out a any after thought to what he has done. Nobody that gos in there is prepared for that.and is a pretty big slap in the face. I am sorry but that is true. Amy has a right to be mad.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 12:53:00 PM
The htt://groups.msn.com/RoloffEvangelisticEnterprizesInc (http://htt://groups.msn.com/RoloffEvangelisticEnterprizesInc)
Would be Eric's Office I would be afraid
I think he kept Roloff's paddle for him self.
He hides behind his girl harem
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 04:38:00 PM
thank you so much for being mine and others "voice" on this other group issue.I have always felt the same way you do and they made me feel the same way they made you feel.Its nice to see a post expressing the same way I feel!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
No worries! It has been long over due. If it had been just me I probaly would have just kept it to my self. But there has been a lot of talk about this. There are some nice people in there
who try to be supportive,But stay as nutral as possible because they don't want to end up in someone like my shoes. Or yours. I don't even know if the people who are accepting this behavior even realizes that this is hurting people and that most just be quite and let them do all the talking because they simply don't want to lose that link to maybe finding that lost friend . It is like you have made this long journey to find them, And it is important because you have been silent for a long time or when you did speak no one knew what you where talking about. So you are excited
and think my God- I have finally found some one who is going to understand after all these years . And so sence most of them have been a good support for each other witch is good I guess
They set your feelings aside and dismiss them. Because "They Have Healed" I thought, Here they are in this position, They have resourses and means to make grate things happen. To really help people. But instead dismissing most issues
and turning it into a school room. There is a chat room for that we do not want to here how wide or skinny they think there ass is Stupid stuff. And we don't want to be abused by smeone
who runs over us like a Mac truck. My way or they highway. saying what they want and need about thier own issues but if you do it than you have problems and I don't know how many pity partys he has thrown. I know I got one. There is not one person in here that dose not know they have to "Get Over It" Most of us have And go on and do pretty well through our day to day lifes.
Sometimes Just simply having a friend knowing that someone is there and understands- is enough.
Support Go's a long ways. I think simple support knows it's place because it dose not judge or bost or abuse. It is trusted. A mutual respect
Is soft spoken. It dose not bragg. If they are happy then I am happy for them. But I need more
and will look till I find it. It is not the past
That I am looking for anyway, It is a better tommrow -The day I can feel good just being my self not be alone any more and not be afraid because I have support and hopefully a friend who loves me just for  being me, Home in all,
A package deal.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 11:37:00 PM
You are not alone in your feelings. I have had the same experiences and look for the same support. I felt like I did not fit in when I needed someone to understand my feelings and had hoped I could open up and find some old friends.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: GentleStormi on May 17, 2005, 06:11:00 AM
http://samvak.tripod.com/trauma.html (http://samvak.tripod.com/trauma.html)

this is an interesting piece that i have been chewing on, the process of healing and grieving in a world that does not know how to respond in a way that will be productive to healing.

I paste in some of what it says:

We react to serious mishaps, life altering setbacks, disasters, abuse, and death by going through the phases of grieving. Traumas are the complex outcomes of psychodynamic and biochemical processes. But the particulars of traumas depend heavily on the interaction between the victim and his social milieu.
It would seem that while the victim progresses from denial to helplessness, rage, depression and thence to acceptance of the traumatizing events - society demonstrates a diametrically opposed progression. This incompatibility, this mismatch of psychological phases is what leads to the formation and crystallization of trauma.

PHASE I
Victim phase I - DENIAL


The magnitude of such unfortunate events is often so overwhelming, their nature so alien, and their message so menacing - that denial sets in as a defence mechanism aimed at self preservation. The victim denies that the event occurred, that he or she is being abused, that a loved one passed away.


Society phase I - ACCEPTANCE, MOVING ON


The victim's nearest ("Society") - his colleagues, his employees, his clients, even his spouse, children, and friends - rarely experience the events with the same shattering intensity. They are likely to accept the bad news and move on. Even at their most considerate and empathic, they are likely to lose patience with the victim's state of mind. They tend to ignore the victim, or chastise him, to mock, or to deride his feelings or behaviour, to collude to repress the painful memories, or to trivialize them.


Summary Phase I
The mismatch between the victim's reactive patterns and emotional needs and society's matter-of-fact attitude hinders growth and healing. The victim requires society's help in avoiding a head-on confrontation with a reality he cannot digest. Instead, society serves as a constant and mentally destabilizing reminder of the root of the victim's unbearable agony (the Job syndrome).


PHASE II

Victim phase II - HELPLESSNESS


Denial gradually gives way to a sense of all-pervasive and humiliating helplessness, often accompanied by debilitating fatigue and mental disintegration. These are among the classic symptoms of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). These are the bitter results of the internalization and integration of the harsh realization that there is nothing one can do to alter the outcomes of a natural, or man-made, catastrophe. The horror in confronting one's finiteness, meaninglessness, negligibility, and powerlessness - is overpowering.


Society phase II - DEPRESSION

The more the members of society come to grips with the magnitude of the loss, or evil, or threat represented by the grief inducing events - the sadder they become. Depression is often little more than suppressed or self-directed anger. The anger, in this case, is belatedly induced by an identified or diffuse source of threat, or of evil, or loss. It is a higher level variant of the "fight or flight" reaction, tampered by the rational understanding that the "source" is often too abstract to tackle directly.


Summary Phase II

Thus, when the victim is most in need, terrified by his helplessness and adrift - society is immersed in depression and unable to provide a holding and supporting environment. Growth and healing is again retarded by social interaction. The victim's innate sense of annulment is enhanced by the self-addressed anger (=depression) of those around him.


PHASE III

Both the victim and society react with RAGE to their predicaments. In an effort to narcissistically reassert himself, the victim develops a grandiose sense of anger directed at paranoidally selected, unreal, diffuse, and abstract targets (=frustration sources). By expressing aggression, the victim re-acquires mastery of the world and of himself.

Members of society use rage to re-direct the root cause of their depression (which is, as we said, self directed anger) and to channel it safely. To ensure that this expressed aggression alleviates their depression - real targets must are selected and real punishments meted out. In this respect, "social rage" differs from the victim's. The former is intended to sublimate aggression and channel it in a socially acceptable manner - the latter to reassert narcissistic self-love as an antidote to an all-devouring sense of helplessness.

In other words, society, by itself being in a state of rage, positively enforces the narcissistic rage reactions of the grieving victim. This, in the long run, is counter-productive, inhibits personal growth, and prevents healing. It also erodes the reality test of the victim and encourages self-delusions, paranoidal ideation, and ideas of reference.


PHASE IV

Victim Phase IV - DEPRESSION

As the consequences of narcissistic rage - both social and personal - grow more unacceptable, depression sets in. The victim internalizes his aggressive impulses. Self directed rage is safer but is the cause of great sadness and even suicidal ideation. The victim's depression is a way of conforming to social norms. It is also instrumental in ridding the victim of the unhealthy residues of narcissistic regression. It is when the victim acknowledges the malignancy of his rage (and its anti-social nature) that he adopts a depressive stance.


Society Phase IV - HELPLESSNESS

People around the victim ("society") also emerge from their phase of rage transformed. As they realize the futility of their rage, they feel more and more helpless and devoid of options. They grasp their limitations and the irrelevance of their good intentions. They accept the inevitability of loss and evil and Kafkaesquely agree to live under an ominous cloud of arbitrary judgement, meted out by impersonal powers.


Summary Phase IV

Again, the members of society are unable to help the victim to emerge from a self-destructive phase. His depression is enhanced by their apparent helplessness. Their introversion and inefficacy induce in the victim a feeling of nightmarish isolation and alienation. Healing and growth are once again retarded or even inhibited.


PHASE V

Victim Phase V - ACCEPTANCE AND MOVING ON

Depression - if pathologically protracted and in conjunction with other mental health problems - sometimes leads to suicide. But more often, it allows the victim to process mentally hurtful and potentially harmful material and paves the way to acceptance. Depression is a laboratory of the psyche. Withdrawal from social pressures enables the direct transformation of anger into other emotions, some of them otherwise socially unacceptable. The honest encounter between the victim and his own (possible) death often becomes a cathartic and self-empowering inner dynamic. The victim emerges ready to move on.


Society Phase V - DENIAL

Society, on the other hand, having exhausted its reactive arsenal - resorts to denial. As memories fade and as the victim recovers and abandons his obsessive-compulsive dwelling on his pain - society feels morally justified to forget and forgive. This mood of historical revisionism, of moral leniency, of effusive forgiveness, of re-interpretation, and of a refusal to remember in detail - leads to a repression and denial of the painful events by society.


Summary Phase V

This final mismatch between the victim's emotional needs and society's reactions is less damaging to the victim. He is now more resilient, stronger, more flexible, and more willing to forgive and forget. Society's denial is really a denial of the victim. But, having ridden himself of more primitive narcissistic defences - the victim can do without society's acceptance, approval, or look. Having endured the purgatory of grieving, he has now re-acquired his self, independent of society's acknowledgement.
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
You can make new ones who understand,And if there is anything I can do to make your burden a little lighter let me know. I am sad that that happen to you too,however hope it helps in knowing you are not alone. And that it probaly wasn't personal feels very personal can now consider the source,And feel better than someone finally spoke up about it and hopefully will change. And if not- that is a grate loss to them because they have lost someone really special,
a lasting and loyal friendship such as yours.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2005, 12:03:00 PM
If they do not care about what is in my heart than they shouldn't care about my name.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2005, 04:53:00 PM
The thanks belongs to you for letting me I know that I was also not alone. I just hope that things will be better for future girls who join.
That maybe they didn't like it but leasoned, And that is all that matters to me.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 18, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
[ This Message was edited by: Bluemoon2157 on 2005-08-19 16:36 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
How are you doing today Amy? R U ok? Just wondered about you.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2005, 08:09:00 PM
I am sorry please accept my apology. I was replying to another post that was questioning if I was in rebekah or not which I was from 82-83. I apparently still have my own anger management issues and have a hard time facing the past myself. It's been very difficult for me. I'm sorry I spoke out of anger.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2005, 08:34:00 PM
its a brave thing to come in here and relive the nightmares all at once. but it is also helping for it starts the healing process. you did nothing wrong. be proud that you vented on what you thought was important
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2005, 08:37:00 PM
I hadn't come in here in a few days, and now I do and find a fight going on.  I know a lot of people were hurt in the group.  I think it is unfair to call us Eric's harem, though.  I guess I'm one of the "neutral" people.  I have seen people get bullied, although many times I've wondered why they gave the reaction they did.  When I first joined the group, Roger would say a few comments to my posts and my initial reaction was to get angry.  Then I would wonder what tone he had when he said it, and then realized that maybe they just wanted to see how I would react.  I would blow it off and make a joke.  I know not everyone can do that, but maybe that is my way of "surviving".  Eric's way is to lash out.  I'm not saying it is correct, and in fact I remember sending a private e-mail to some of the girls apologizing for what he said.  However, these sites are for us to express how we feel.  Even, in some case unfortunately, Eric has that right.  I remain quiet, it isn't my fight.  I wish it was kept out of the group, but I can't control that.
Yvette
Rebekah 84-85
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
eric,i dont need your sympathy i am not here posting and cussing. was wondering if you ever get out in the sun and tan? how pale are you? you must be because really pale from sitting in front of your computer all day. are there any UV rays coming through???.......get a life.... have better fish to fry!
KUDOS.....AMY
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 20, 2005, 10:08:00 PM
[ This Message was edited by: Bluemoon2157 on 2005-08-19 16:37 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2005, 10:32:00 PM
thank you. but who are yu? got me curious!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
oh never mind i figured it out now. and you are very welcome. hope to see ya in chat!
love.......amy
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 21, 2005, 02:40:00 AM
[ This Message was edited by: Bluemoon2157 on 2005-08-19 16:38 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2005, 03:03:00 AM
Ok only if we can talk about our ass. I will see you tommrow.
The masked lady.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2005, 06:28:00 PM
I'm not sure who you are, and don't know what I or anyone did to offend you, but I can say the same thing has been done to me here.  I've been coming to this site for as long as I've been in the other group.  I have offended no one, as that is not my nature.  I did, however, once make a somewhat positive remark about something and was totally attacked in here.  You don't have to like me, whoever you are, but your reply did judge me, even if you say it didn't.  The difference between you and I is I choose to see both good and bad from an experience.  I do the same with people.  I don't defend eric, but I don't condemn him either.  I don't do it with any of you, so don't do it to me.
Yvette
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2005, 07:25:00 PM
i agree, let by gones be by gones, stop the negetivity... we want to get past this eric issue. yvette thanks for your open understanding on all of this.We all agree he says things off the wall. you are a kind person and really took up for this group.
anne 85-87
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
Ok I have stayed out of this so far but I just must ask? What good did you ever get out of Eric attacking people? All I see eric sitting in the corner laughing his ass off because he got 2 girls to fight over him.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2005, 10:13:00 PM
there is no good in any one attacking. but also if we keep bringing this eric issue up, dont ya think it feeds his ego also?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
attacking is wrong no matter what, but did you ever think that the longer we keep this issue going it is still feeding his ego?dont build it any bigger
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2005, 10:27:00 PM
There is good and there is eric opps sorry I meant to say evil.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2005, 10:51:00 PM
not nice.instead of condeming him...pray for him.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2005, 11:44:00 PM
I will not waste one single breath praying for the deamon that would use the words Jesus f#%$#%#
Christ. bluemoon was right ya think u r taking up for him again? And besides aren't ya just shooting the messenger? I for one feel bad for her because she was speaking up for what she thought was right. Maybe you should be praying for her instead of waisting them on eric.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2005, 12:08:00 AM
In response to this: I will not waste one single breath praying for the deamon that would use the words Jesus f#%$#%#
Christ. bluemoon was right ya think u r taking up for him again? And besides aren't ya just shooting the messenger? I for one feel bad for her because she was speaking up for what she thought was right. Maybe you should be praying for her instead of waisting them on eric.

First of all, when it comes to this particular thread, I am identifying myself,  so I was not the one requesting prayer.  but if we are going to get on that issue, let me say this.  The Bible tells us to love our enemies.  It also tells us our battle is not against flesh and blood.  So do not take out your anger on me or anyone else posting.  If you only pray for those people you like, then you aren't doing anything differently from non-christians.  Stop judging me because I choose to love instead of hate.
Yvette
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2005, 12:37:00 AM
Debi, are you bluemoon?  If so, I'm surprised at the fact that you are mad at me.  If I remember correctly, you and I got along well
Yvette
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2005, 05:07:00 AM
Correctly put. Also remember "love thine enemies"
I for one am through with this whole topic. Love all pray for all. The more we respond to this issue the more we keep the fire going. So im done. I think most all have made there point here and thank God for this site. Thank God for our freedom to vent. But dont we need to vent on our roloff/cult issues? We were abused there and we dont need the abuse now.Eric was rude as hell, the damage is done .....Now what? Lets move on, and all one can really do is either forget about it or pray about it.It would be nice if this site would draw in more rebekah survivors, but who wants to read all the negetivity? That is a sure way of turning people off. In fact I myself wont be coming back here. So i might as well leave my name.
Anne 85-87
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 22, 2005, 09:42:00 AM
[ This Message was edited by: Bluemoon2157 on 2005-08-19 16:39 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 22, 2005, 10:43:00 AM
[ This Message was edited by: Bluemoon2157 on 2005-08-19 16:39 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 22, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
[ This Message was edited by: Bluemoon2157 on 2005-08-19 16:40 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2005, 11:32:00 AM
I never insulted you, Debi.  Not here, not anywhere.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2005, 11:40:00 AM
Wrong person you are blameing for last nights posts. I was in bed Thank-you very much

I didn't blame you for last night's posts.  You were the first to answer to me and then someone said I should pray for you instead of wasting it on Eric.  All I'm saying is I'm receiving the same treatment here that you all claim to have received in the yahoo group.  And this is not the first time it has happened to me here, just the first time I identify myself.  I don't want to discuss other people at all.  I am talking about myself, and the attitude this group has.  You are not there, and now Anne is leaving, but I did stand up for all of you in the other group and instead I'm getting stepped on.  You (not necessarily you as in Debi, but the people in this site) are just as cliquish as the yahoo group, but most of you hide behind anonymity.  That makes it worse because you are insulting behind a mask.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
Sushhhhhhhh!
I heard my name.
Sushhhhhhhh!
I hear Eric laughing((((WHA HA HA HA HA)))))
Look there he is!
I can't tell,
If he is looking up their dresses
Or around them!!!!!!
ANONYMOUS
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
if enough is enough then why is everyone still on this subject,if mr. eric is that rude, why arent you acting like adults and just plainly ignore him? it's as if he knows how to push your buttons and you fell for his trap. i had a chat with mr.eric, has anyone else? has anyone tried to understand where mr.eric stands? obviuosly not.yes, he is crass and extremely rude,but hey he is a guy.i am reading lets pray for this person and that person,how about for youselves? i think if we all look in the mirrors, maybe we wont be angry.after all he was in 1 of the homes.i am not taking his side or any others.concerning his anger, so what?it is very obvious that he is not the only one who needs to address their issues in the anger department.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
Wow, other than a few others recently, this is the first reasonable post yet! I was thinking the same thing, actually I was thinking to just delete this site from my favorites list because the down right negitivity was just too much, I have never heard so much hypocrisy in all my life, you people say one thing and then do another. As this person just said, look in the mirror then cast the first stone. If your objective here is to comfort people in pain then you need to rethink it, everytime I come in here I end up discusted at your blaten meaness to people who dont share your views of things and I have to leave because I feel so down and sad. I could'nt believe the way some of you replied to Yvette, she has been so nice and caring! It's amazing that everyone here shares the same history there and all you guys can do is lash out and dig the knife deeper in the wound.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 24, 2005, 10:05:00 AM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2005, 10:19:00 AM
Well if you go back and read, i was first praising the person who made the reasonable post on the current topic.
Secondly, "you people" would refer to more than one person.
"Your objective", again would be referring to more than one person.
"You guys", same as above.
"I", would be referring to me.
Now, if you feel like you fit in those catagories, then by all means, assume im speaking to you, that wouldn't be for me to decide.
Most people who don't have a guilty concience would not have taken that personally.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 24, 2005, 12:45:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 24, 2005, 12:49:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2005, 03:35:00 PM
bravo to you bluemoon!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 24, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 10:40:00 AM
Since you think I'm an asshole, it's quite ok that you don't find it in your heart to speak to me again.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
some things may be too late
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
Whatever. Don't you have anything else to do? All I know is that place was full of evil doing and people need to talk about it.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 11:52:00 AM
not sure if you were asking me if i had anything else to do or the person who left the last post
about it being too late, if it was me, no, i do not have anything else to do right now, why? am i not suppose to? i agree with you that the place was evil and we need to talk about it, thats what i came here for.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
so let's talk about what are we going to do? We know it's continueing to go on maybe not in Corpus Christy but other places. How can we stop it or make people aware of it?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
so let's talk about what are we going to do? We know it's continueing to go on maybe not in Corpus Christy but other places. How can we stop it or make people aware of it?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 12:09:00 PM
so its ok that i post in here? just making sure since i was asked if i had anything else to do. that was incredibly rude, were you the one who asked me that? why would you say something like that?
as for doing something about stopping the homes across america, we can't stop them all we can do is talk about it to whomever we can and encourage people to find other routes in dealing with their teens instead of dropping them off with strangers for a year.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
It wasn't meant to be rude. I was just trying to change the subject and stop bickering not to continue the bickering. Sorry. Just trying to talk about something else like how awful those places are but I give up.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 12:27:00 PM
i accept, glad you were not trying to be rude, it's hard to hear a tone of voice when reading words, ive done that before too. don't give up. i wish there was something we all could do too to stop homes from opening, i really dont know what we could do or how to even start.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 12:39:00 PM
Maybe if we could make people aware of what those places are really like we could get people to make a stand. Those places make it sound like the kids are all troublemakers and need strict discipline so people just go along with it not realizing they maybe making troubled adults.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 01:52:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
Yes we can we can stop it.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 02:44:00 PM
We can find strength in our group but you can't reply to there negative post. Just say nothing or talk about something else.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 02:50:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 02:52:00 PM
We will overcome
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 02:53:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
you are such a good speller? you must be a roloff graduate.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 03:12:00 PM
I am a Roloff survivor. We will survive. You can't hurt us because we are stronger as one. Blue I will meet you tomorrow morning over coffee. Be strong.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 03:22:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 03:30:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 03:33:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 03:36:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 03:52:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 04:00:00 PM
yu are cracking me up girl!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 04:38:00 PM
Can we have hot cinnamon rolls with lots of frosting and butter. Mmmmmmmmmmmm yumm. Lots of frosting!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 04:47:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 25, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
later darth vader.gotta go
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
may the force be with you
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
Til next time.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 06:09:00 PM
blue you have such humor.... i am rolling ! keep it coming we want more
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Post by: Dear Gabby on May 26, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: @@ on May 26, 2005, 04:09:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: @@ on May 26, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 26, 2005, 08:08:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 26, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on May 26, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
nasty goat milk.... it smelt like dirt,did it taste that way?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
I hated that goat milk.  That was gross.
How could you stand that?  Are you crazy?...lol


*
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Post by: mitzy on May 26, 2005, 10:13:00 PM
remember when the cows would eat those wild onions and we would have to drink onion flavored milk for a week?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 27, 2005, 11:55:00 AM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on May 27, 2005, 12:06:00 PM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on May 27, 2005, 12:18:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 27, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 27, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-05-27 12:26:00, Bluemoon2157 wrote:

"               GOT GOAT MILK??

            SEE MY MILK MUSTACHE???"

        A real friend is someone who walks in-
         when the rest of the world walks out.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 27, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-05-25 12:52:00, Bluemoon2157 wrote:

"I am singing in the rain, singing in the rain,

I feel pretty oh so pretty anger management,

I feel stunning, oh so stunning!

I love that show."
It is much easier to turn a friendship into love than love into friendship
                       Proverb
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on May 27, 2005, 07:03:00 PM
what about soy burgers? can we say "alpo"?
why even bother feeding us? it was like eating saw dust and styrofoam all in the same bite
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Post by: Dear Gabby on May 28, 2005, 10:03:00 AM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2005, 10:03:00 AM
what home were you in tom?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 28, 2005, 10:08:00 AM
Good morning Jhon Doe! How r u today?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 28, 2005, 10:14:00 AM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 28, 2005, 10:19:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-05-28 07:14:00, Bluemoon2157 wrote:

"Did anything ever happen good to you at the home? Do you have any friend story's?Stuff yall got into or did? Did you ever have any secret hiding places for stuff you where not sapose to have?"
Don't walk in front of me,
I may not follow;
Don't walk behind me;
I may not lead;
Walk beside me and just be my friend.
Albert Comus
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2005, 01:00:00 PM
putting tooth paste on zits
singing rock songs(almost everyone did that)
sneaking through the corn field trying to catch a glimpse of anchor boys
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on May 28, 2005, 06:28:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
Hi there I am a human being! What r u?
Nobody wants to come in here unless there is a nasty fight going on.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on June 01, 2005, 10:48:00 AM
i know. where is everyone?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
hi there, im a human too, whats going on?
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Post by: @@ on June 01, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on June 01, 2005, 05:59:00 PM
thats funny rooney
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 03:52:00 PM
hey all ye roloff rejects.....hope all is well with everyone...takin my turn at holdin the shit end of the stick...we all have been here...my turn fixin to be up...any takers on this smelly thing??? and this too shall pass...we all cannot smell the roses all the time...eventually all will get stung... anywho hope all is well with everyone...amy 85-86
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 09:15:00 PM
Did you miss us
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 09:15:00 PM
Now u gotta kiss us
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 09:16:00 PM
Smack!!!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 09:17:00 PM
Will the real Anonymous person please stand up?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 09:19:00 PM
I will It's me everybody!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
Or shall I say will the real eric stand up?
u know the nice guy in there somewhere?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 03, 2005, 02:14:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2005, 05:51:00 PM
hi debbie...i am so glad to see ya...right now things are all shitty in my world...marriage fallin apart like those cheap wal mart paper towels...oh well ya win some ya loose some...and life goes on...glad to see ya my sister...gonna get drunk 2nite and say fuck it...i showed up at anne's 2day...motel was gettin kinda cramped...i am gonna make annie get us on laterz...maybe we can all sit back and shed a tear in our beer...hehe..annie will be passin me kleenieessss...booo fuckin hooooo....loves ya deb...hope to see ya later...amy
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 04, 2005, 11:41:00 PM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 05, 2005, 03:06:00 PM
Will some one please come in here and pick a fight? Kidding!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on June 05, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
hi Blue! its Tom. how may I get on your nerves?
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 06, 2005, 02:44:00 AM
Fact? or Fiction? Blue just won the national spelling be? [ This Message was edited by: Bluemoon2157 on 2005-08-19 17:15 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 06, 2005, 10:27:00 AM
Fact or Fiction? Tom, blue,and rooney had a slumber party, robbed the ice-cream man, Stole his truck, joy rided all night and ate all the ice-cream while he was tied up in the back of the truck?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 06, 2005, 10:48:00 AM
Fact or Fiction?
       Bro. Yoder got caught out side the barn
in a booth- selling goat milk for 5 cents a glass.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 06, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
Fact or Fiction?
         Blue got caught standing outside rebekah
farm,-Holding a sign that says-Will work for food.
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 06, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
Fact or Fiction?
            Granny got caught in a wheel chair
in Corpus Christi mall with a sign in her lap
Wanted kids under 16 to pluck chickens-for 3 oranges a day.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 06, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
Fact or Fiction?
       The camorans got caught on e-bay selling
Roloffs air plane parts to get a new Plasma T.V.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on June 06, 2005, 12:24:00 PM
i am loving these! crack me up!
throw out some more!
ok, FACT or FICTION: roloff really wore womens panties?
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 06, 2005, 09:27:00 PM
Ohhhhhh pretty good! You are good at this.
He wore thongs with the days of the week on front! I don't know- But.. that might be where all our bikini underware went.
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. Lets see
Fact or Fiction?
One- anonymous poster is wall-flower Faye Camoran
Over there in the corner-
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 06, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
Fact or Fiction? Blue has never forgotten where she came from...
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on June 06, 2005, 09:59:00 PM
Fact or Fiction: the hamburgers they gave us were made out of sawdust?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on June 07, 2005, 11:07:00 AM
fact or fiction: pine-sol cleaner made a great shot drink.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on June 07, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
fact or fiction: granny panties made a great shower cap
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 07, 2005, 01:14:00 PM
Now thats funny!!! HA HA HA TE HE HE HE
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 07, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
Fact or Fiction?
The Barretts stole the Camorans Plasma T.V.
And re-placed it with a black and white.
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 07, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
Fact! about the panties shower-cap! We use to have to use our own to hold our curlers up.
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 07, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
Fact or Fiction?
Plamer got caught sniffing Ant. Neanere's Pantie's in the sewing room.
Fact or Fiction?
Ant.Neaner-sewed our old panties togather and died them Red to make new uniforms.
And used roloffs old silk sheets to make new slipes.
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 07, 2005, 02:37:00 PM
Fact or Fiction?
Blue caught granny going through the trash cans and pulling out toilet paper to re-use.
This would be Fact!
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 08, 2005, 07:58:00 AM
Kidding about ant.neaner she was good to girls aat times stuck her neck out for girls..
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 08, 2005, 12:37:00 PM
Fact or Fiction?
Pa Pa was abducted in the corn feild by aliens
Looking for run away girls.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2005, 12:50:00 PM
LOL come to think of it that whole farm was a little on the " Twilight Zone" side.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 08, 2005, 06:16:00 PM
Boy that is the truth It felt like a world out side the world. Next stop planet earth please.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2005, 10:00:00 AM
it was
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 10, 2005, 03:37:00 PM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 10, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on June 11, 2005, 07:58:00 AM
what is the password?
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 11, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 11, 2005, 11:52:00 AM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 11, 2005, 01:08:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2005, 03:19:00 PM
farm nerd
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
the password is roloff
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 14, 2005, 06:40:00 AM
Fact or fiction?
Anomonymous poster isn't sure if they know
if the right side of the brain knows what the left is doing.
wanna play my little pretty?? Wha hahahahahaha
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on June 14, 2005, 06:46:00 AM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 14, 2005, 07:23:00 AM
Farm nerd? would that be the person in the barn that got caught chocking roloffs chicken?
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 14, 2005, 07:32:00 AM
Said the spider to the fly
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 14, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 09:49:00 AM
didnt you say that you were dying? werent you supposed to be dead by now?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on June 14, 2005, 09:58:00 AM
not nice
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 10:19:00 AM
I am sorry Debi That you had to find out the hard way like I did but gentle stormi
arleana, constance,susan,Who ever she claims she is today conned me too. warning to who ever knows her she is not who she claims to be. If anyone needs any proof I will post you my e-mails from this person!
ADVICE! PATRICIA MAYBE YOU NEED TO CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR ON GETTING MEDS ADJUSTED. yOU ARE BUSTED AGAIN!
 ON THE DEAD COMMENT SUZAN CAN PATRICIA COME BACK TO US?
Amy Pemberton 85-86
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 14, 2005, 12:01:00 PM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 14, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 01:34:00 PM
Wow, now that is what i call compassion! Is this the compassion you speak of you miserable freak of nature? Reading your senseless, meaningless garbage daily makes me thankful for getting an education. I have 3 words for you, Hooked On Phonics!

You are such a fake and trust me, we all know it.

* Riddler
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 14, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
What the hell is leasoning?   enough said
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Post by: mitzy on June 14, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
anonymus post = coward
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 11:01:00 PM
Why don't you go to hell I am sure roloff os pretty fucking lonley right now. She dose not
hurt anyone!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2005, 12:47:00 AM
How do you all follow along in here?  I can't tell what post is repling to what.

All I read is post after post of people yelling, but at who? :???:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2005, 03:00:00 PM
I was there in 1983 my name is Cynthia Smith- someone who was a worker had the same name.  I was in the ensmble and the new trio after Roloff died.  Mr. and Mrs Barret were the dorm parents- She was as mean as they come.  Actually Mrs. Cameron kinda protected me from Mrs. Barret.  She put me in lockup because a boy had left a note in my song book.  I came back from Church and she sent me straight there for over a week.  Mrs. Cameron came and got me out when she found out where i was.  I don't really remeber anyones name except my tour partner was Natalie.  Does anyone remeber Kermit- she was from Michigan- like me.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2005, 08:31:00 AM
Hi Cynthia, I remember you and the other Cynthia.

Mrs. Barrett was an evil person.

Here is a link to a group on yahoo.  I think some of them will remember you too.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffhomes/)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2005, 03:13:00 PM
Welcome to free chat! there are no rules no one in charge! Feel free to invite you friends and just hang out and be yourself!
Link
http://www.chatzy.com/700271715453 (http://www.chatzy.com/700271715453)
Pass code is freedom
pick a color and name.
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 26, 2005, 05:21:00 PM
A REAL friend is someone who walks in when the rest of the world walks out. Probv.[ This Message was edited by: Bluemoon2157 on 2005-08-19 17:09 ]
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Post by: mitzy on June 26, 2005, 06:22:00 PM
Honey, are you ok? or should I say, have you lost your mind? How can you even consider going back to Jubilee? What did those cruel people granny and papa say to you on the phone ? What would make you want to go back in? I am so puzzled by this. Have you forgotten the evilness?
Please dont do it.
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 26, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 27, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 27, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
A thorn defends the rose,harming only those who steal the blossem. provb
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 27, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
Quote
Flattery makes friends-
Truth makes enemies    provb.
On 2005-06-27 09:35:00, Bluemoon2157 wrote:

"A thorn defends the rose,harming only those who steal the blossem. provb"
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Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
you seem really sweet Bluemoon, i love the proverbs your leaving, are you really considering going back? are granny and papa still there? better yet still able to get up and down without help! i would never go back, im sure there are other places in the good ol' US of A that would be better, i watch a show on TV1 called Starting Over, its a house for women in Chicago, it really seems to be life changing for those women, just a thought.
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 27, 2005, 07:27:00 PM
Free speech comes with it, Freedom to leason.

There are no short cuts to any place worth going-

He who never made a mistake, Never made a discovery-

Without vision, We are blind to opportunity-
              Provb.

It is once in a Bluemoon that we get to that spot marked X that we so carfully once mapped.

_________________
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Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-06-27 16:27:00, Bluemoon2157 wrote:

"Yes, granny and papa are still there. Granny talked really sweet. Remembered me. Asked me if I had kids, reminded her that I lost mine and came to see her after she said she remembered I asked her if she remembered that I had been beaten badly she said she did. She made the remark "what you an't dead yet? She all but had my foot in the door. She was talking really nice?

She said they were in jubalee. That they where taking women, I think she said 25 or so. I asked her if they where making a differance she said she believed they where. She said Bro. Crummy was thier preacher. I remember him and his wife- They where both really kind people I use to like them a lot. She said Pa Pa was ok doing good.

She said the dorms are all emty now. I guess it is just a ghost town now. She invited me to come down. And I am going down. I guess I just have to see and want to see papa. I am going to see if she will let me take pictures.

I really hope that they have gone back to the way they once where. They wern't nice to all but for some they did make a differance. That is why we do not hear from them. because I was so young I did not get it like some did, like I saw the older girls. The younger girls where given a little more freedom because they did not worry about us running. I don't know Granny did not mind slapping that little mouth of mine being that I was born a smart ass. Granny gave me the rest of my education on being a smart ass-

I started crying like a fool! I can't believe I did that. I am a bit mad at my self because I did not say all that i had planned to say all these years. Sooooooooo I was a bit feeling sorry for myself yesterday. Things haven't been the best in my life lately. And the first bright light I had found in all these years was when girls where coming to chat. It was the first time I had been myself in a long time. I laughed more in there in 2 weeks than I had in 30 years.

And when that last one shut down, It split us all up and that makes me very sad. I even felt a little better about my self and figured that if all I got back out of the home was those girls who brightend my life. Then That was a great gift to have and a treasured one. It felt good for a little while and at least I had it once.

I realized after that was- that is all I have been looking for all these years- and that was to find something good to take from a bad experance in my life. I could not bear the thought of only walking away from there with nothing, I endured that for some reason but I wanted it to be a good one. Some one stoled my thunder. Just sad to me.

Yes I am getting up and down better now I was in a wheel chair. We all get old. And we all get tired, I guess I am just tired. But I am mean enough and determinded enough to dust my ass off and get back up. And I will do it because there are some that do care about me, and because of that- I am grateful enough to hopefuly make a differance in thier life even if it is a small one. Blue







Free speech comes with it, Freedom to leason.



There are no short cuts to any place worth going-



He who never made a mistake, Never made a discovery-



Without vision, We are blind to opportunity-

              Provb.



It is once in a Bluemoon that we get to that spot marked X that we so carfully once mapped.



_________________

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Oh, Im sorry, I didnt mean "you" getting up and down, i meant granny and papa, i figured they must be pretty old by now. I had no idea you were in a wheel chair, i hope my comment did not offend you, it truely was meant in a harmless way.
I know what you mean about the girls from the homes and how finding them and chatting makes you feel good, i feel the same way.
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Post by: Dear Gabby on June 30, 2005, 01:34:00 PM
Free speech comes with it, Freedom to leason.





There are no short cuts to any place worth going-





He who never made a mistake, Never made a discovery-





Without vision, We are blind to opportunity-


              Provb.





It is once in a Bluemoon that we get to that spot marked X that we so carfully marked on lifes map


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Post by: Dear Gabby on July 02, 2005, 06:39:00 PM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on July 10, 2005, 11:58:00 AM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on July 10, 2005, 12:00:00 PM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on July 10, 2005, 12:02:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2005, 08:17:00 PM
I didn't post this, but it's MY EXACT WORDS when I talk about Rebekah.  How scary is that?
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Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2005, 10:25:00 PM
:smile: I can't find anyone in the new chat room, and I couldn't find the room on Rebekah once I left.  First time I've ever used a chat room so here goes.

I was a victom/survivor of the Camerons.  I would like to know if anyone knows where Jackie is???

I am too tired to keep reading, I hope to find her soon.
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Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2005, 12:27:00 AM
I was in there in74 71-74 And went there with jackie and know she can be found but I am not sure if it is the same jackie. My name was Debbie Baker. I am in Chatzy or my email is in here under bluemoon.
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Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2005, 09:01:00 AM
bluemoon's e-mail
[email protected]
miss plucking them chickens?
where u in there with Rose?
Or reggie-Froggy
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Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2005, 09:02:00 AM
bluemoon's e-mail
[email protected]
miss plucking them chickens?
where u in there with Rose?
Or reggie-Froggy
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Post by: Dear Gabby on July 28, 2005, 12:25:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2005, 06:15:00 PM
Sorry, I've been working a lot, didn't get back. Iwas there in 74-75, I think.  I remeber when the Camerons came, then they were let go and Granny came back.  60 Minutes was there, and the fight to keep the home open was going on when I was there.  Debbie Baker, the name sounds familiar, where are you form?

I'm Annie from Orlando, FL.
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Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2005, 07:43:00 PM
I am from Dallas. if you where there when pa pa granny left you where there with me i think but they left 3 times in that year so I guess it depends on when I sent you som pictures did u get them.
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Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2005, 07:45:00 PM
Did you email me debi baker
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Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2005, 08:27:00 PM
Hello Annie I am sorry can not e-mil you I tried but You are not reciving my mail. Debi
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Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2005, 11:39:00 PM
I am looking foward to talking with u do u know how to get in chatzy? If you do I will meet u at a certain time Ok?
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Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2005, 10:32:00 PM
Sorry everyone, I have dail-up, and I live in the middle of nowhere.  It takes forever to get the internet up and crawling.

Yes, I got your emails from Debbie, but no pictures or attachements.

I think that when I got there Granny was just leaving and the Camerons were coming in.  Then the Camerons got kicked out and Granny came back.

Also, if you don't hear from me Thurs thru Sun, it's because I work 10 - 12 and day those days.

Thanks, and it's great to talk to LADIES who know!
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Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2005, 10:36:00 PM
Debbie Baker, are you Chatzy?  If so, I emailed you tonihgt
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Post by: Dear Gabby on July 31, 2005, 08:43:00 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 01:45:00 PM
My computer keeps telling me your e-mail adress in not valid sorry. Blue
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Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 01:53:00 PM
The mighty Oak Was once a little nut that stood its ground.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 01:54:00 PM
It is better to die at ones mans feet-Than to live on ones knees.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
Imagination was given to us to compensate for what we are not, A sense of humor was given to us to console us for what we are.
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Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 02:04:00 PM
You have to have a little something to eat and a little love in you life-
Before you can hold still for any damn bodys sermon on how to behave.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 02:06:00 PM
A Critc is a man that knows the way-
But can not drive the fucking car.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
I shall allow no man to be-little my soul by making me hate him.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
We awaken in others the same attitude of mind we hold them in.
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Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 02:19:00 PM
Watch your Thoughts
For they may become your Words
Watch your Words
For they may become your Actions
Watch your Actions
For they may become your Habits
Watch your Habits
For they may become your character
Watch your Character
For it may become your destiny
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Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 02:20:00 PM
You can tell the size of a man by the size of the thing that makes him mad.
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Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
What worries you Masters you.
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Post by: Madashell on August 01, 2005, 10:59:00 AM
:lol: I think I'm getting the hang of the chat thing.  I'm sure my computer is just freaking out as she's been a virgin.  Everything inside her is probably all over some "big brother" machine somewhere.  Paranoid tendencies don't come from being eavesdropped on, beat the hell out of and then abondoned, do they??  :lol:

I got the pix!  It took forever to get them and they're very disturbing right now.  It'll take a few days for me to get to look at them.  Just seeing the pix make me have to realize that all this crap is real and that I have to look at it.

Hope I hear from you guys,
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Post by: Dear Gabby on August 02, 2005, 05:16:00 AM
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Post by: Madashell on August 02, 2005, 09:19:00 AM
I just finished reading the entire 47 pages. I don't know who hosts this, but THANKS.  What a gift to have a place to come and collect the memories of all of us.

I went in in the mid '70's.  My parents took my glasses, I'm legally blind, and my brother had a gun or said he had a gun.  From FL they drove me to Colloden Ga.  Rolly was having a manic preaching fest that went on all day and most of the night, and yes, the bugs were enormous.  They flew and made droning noises.

I no longer remember how long I was there, a couple of days?  I was flown by Rolly with a girl from St. Croix (?) to Rebekah.  I had been told it was all cool and I was going to a boarding school with horses and beaches, etc.  I didn't know it was goats and f-ing chickens.

I was in the cross-over phase.  I did have to shuck some corn, that was cool - fresh anything would have been cool.  The chix thing was a disaster.  I think I threw up all over. The food was mostly those dried up cubes that you had to reconstitute with water, then they puffed up.  The PB was with honey and was considered a really big deal.  

Colloden was antebellum, no air, humming in the rooms.  The curtains were white and gauzy, seem to remember funny smell.

Aunt Neener was there with that Nurse and her alcoholic husband.  What was the nurses' name?  I managed to run, and I saw her husband go into a bar.  He would come 'home' late and be drunk.  I wasn't supposed to see that and I got hit for it.

I was there with Compton.  The Camerons had Compton and another girl.  Can't remember her name.  These 2 girls were supposed to hold me down when Cameron beat the shit out of me for running.  Compton was supposed to be a really tough one, but I felt sorry for her.

Yes, they ran the tapes all the time.  Not all night, but it did seem that they ran them at night before bed.  They definitiely ran the suckers during the time I was in lock up.  

There was a girl named Kim who was supposed to be on of Rolly's fav's.  She ended up in lock-up close to the time she was supposed to get out.  She dug through the wall and ran during a church service and made it to Rolly's house.  Whatever she did got her protection until she was able to go home.

Rolly's wife and kids were big missing 0's.  We speculated on why.?????

I am now 44, picking up the peace pipe, and trying to decide if it's worth forgiveness.  They say true forgiveness is not possible without true contrition.  Well, maybe he's (they) are burning in the flames of the hell they so believed in and preached in, and they're having true contrition now.  Yeah, I don't believe that either.

So, anyone else still around that is out there??

Blue, set up a time, I'll come chat with you.  Thur - Sun not a good time.

 :wave:
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Post by: Dear Gabby on August 02, 2005, 11:46:00 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
blue , dont be a puss
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
Won't bite. No more fights.Blue
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Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
c'mon Blue, take the bait,LOL!
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Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2005, 12:25:00 PM
blues drooling
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Post by: Dear Gabby on August 16, 2005, 12:39:00 PM
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Post by: Dear Gabby on August 16, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on August 16, 2005, 12:50:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2005, 11:55:00 AM
yer funny, u didnt even post yer name or let her know who u r.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on August 19, 2005, 07:47:00 PM
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on August 19, 2005, 08:04:00 PM
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: aye49 on August 20, 2005, 10:36:00 AM
hey write me..... put rebekah girl on subject line.... i was there in 71 too......
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Dear Gabby on September 27, 2005, 06:05:00 PM

To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.

 

-- MIT Assasination Club slogan

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Madashell on September 28, 2005, 10:29:00 PM
Can't remeber the exact date of the the time that I was in there.  Am trying to remember some things and forget all the bad.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on September 29, 2005, 07:43:00 AM
putting closure and forgetting the bad is a healthy thing to do. Good luck.
Ihave trouble forgetting the bad, its like they etched it into my brain permanently!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2005, 12:14:00 PM
:flame: how dare you to say it did not happen just cause it did not to you. if enough people say
that a fires a fire then its so. i guess the holocost did not happen just because you were not a part of it. things i have been told have been
told so many times by others only a fool would beleive otherwise. the accounts i have heard
the punishments the other odd occurances did happen and only a fool would think otherwise
YOU ARE A FOOL.MY WIFE WAS THERE AND SHE WAS ABUSED SO STOP THE NONSENSE AND LET THE TRUTH BE HEARD. THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE AND YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH YOU ARE A SINGLE MINDED IDIOT.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on October 12, 2005, 07:59:00 PM
are you posting to MY post? learn how to post and who to post to idiot! I am 100% agknowledging that the place sucked, was evil, and cruel.
How could you ever think i was saying it didnt happen to me? Getting raised welps on my ass sure didnt tickle.Kneeling on rice was the worse ,
believe me PAL, i am all for putting closure on things but i too agree it can never leave our minds, we have been cursed.Dont pull a hip out now!! GEESH...........
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
Hey Hot Ass Red face titty baby! Pop the Roloff tity out of your mouth. If you are so fired up, why don't you go chain yourself to the peoples chruch front doors and starve youself till they close. Maybe then you will get the attention you are so deprived of. Maybe Granny will throw you an old wrinkled orange or something.
After all what you just said- we all know puts everything in prespective and just made it all hunky-dory to waller in the roloff pig pin for another 20 years. Clap clap with that speech you just made such a big difference in our lifes.
I am just ready to walk on water.Changed my experience totally. With your wisdom, we will all be sucking our thumbs and crying again before you know it. Mission accomplished "Major Tom"
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: ? on October 14, 2005, 11:20:00 AM
what is everyone so mad about?

The public schools are...designed around the assumption that all of the participants are irresponsible and incompetent...The result is the creation of an organization which is incapable of change. Every member of the organization is concerned with keeping his superior happy.
--Christopher Jencks, Harvard

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2005, 10:48:00 PM
ask red face roloff titty sucker 4 posts back
what they are all red faced about
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 16, 2005, 01:50:00 PM
1. What makes you think that one "good experience"  out weighs countless obviously not so good experiences?  in my opinion you still have the remains of the obvious brainwashing surrounding you or you are not a survivor but a supporter of this evil cult
2. Are you that sheltered taht you think its ok?
you dont have to jump on the bandwagon but look and listen to these stories and tell me if you still believe the way you do if you do still believe the way you do then i have pitty on you and your soul
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on October 16, 2005, 05:27:00 PM
you go anonymous!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 16, 2005, 09:20:00 PM
::rocker::  rock on  ::rocker::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2005, 11:44:00 AM
i like that waller in roloff pig pin statement.crazy fuckin people walkin around in this world.takes all kinds i guess.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on October 17, 2005, 04:19:00 PM
in response to "I have two questions"
(5 posts up) boy angie you spell as bad as i do!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 02:50:00 PM
I do spell terrible but I didn't post that message. :smile:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 04:19:00 PM
So it wasn't you! oh well maybe it was one of your cult members that is doing your bidding now.
Judging by that smile,I would guess that you are pretty smug and secure- having all those little roloff mexican jumping beans drooling for orders and instructions, at the snap of those long boney evil little fingers of yours. Everyone knows you thumb through the vulnerable and lost
souls, like a deck of playing cards. All for the sake of amusement. You do it for fun, not in earnest. ::fuckoff::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 04:23:00 PM
are you the  angie that made me leave your group for not posting? it's me penny, i like the post above mine.well said whoever.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2005, 10:03:00 PM
why is this forum a place for petty discussions?  It used to be a place where people shared experiences and I liked it because it was available to the public.  Now if anyone comes in here to find any information about the homes, they will find a bunch of angry people lashing at each other.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: ? on October 24, 2005, 10:28:00 AM
i would just like to know if are the lester roloff homes are still opened. and where is brother cameron. any one heard where the barretts are.i cant find any info about the home in florida

Religion is a byproduct of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity?
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on October 24, 2005, 01:00:00 PM
i was in under the barretts, what is your name?
the camerons i think are running a home in florida
barretts are retired i think
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: ? on October 24, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
i was there in 83 84
my name is melissa.  do the camerons still run these homes? i just dont get it.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The people who ran straight had the best of intentions. I hope they reached their destination.

James Lloyd

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2005, 06:06:00 PM
I stumbled across this website by looking for information on the Rebekah Home for girls and was amazed by what I read. There seems to be so much bitterness flying through here. It actually cracks me up at how many of you are behaving like children. The "beatings" as you refer to are called spankings - discipline - consequences for your own foolish actions. I have received many of these spankings in my life and it only helped mold me into a better person. We are all born with a sinful nature and need to be taught to do right. Just as you would slap the hand of a child who was going to put his finger in an electric socket to protect him from harm, our butts needed to be slapped to protect us from endangering our lives in the future. I know from personal experience that the Rebekah Home is used as a tool to help young girls get their lives on the right track and the people who sent these girls there did it because they care. You reap what you sow, young ladies. The bitterness that started in your heart all those years ago is eating you up from the inside out and destroying you. It's because of Jesus Christ that I have true peace and joy. Remain your miserable selves but don't infect others who want help and who are looking for a place to help the people they care about by foolishly rambling on about a place where YOU CHOSE not to allow the Lord and the staff to help you. For those who are looking for a place to send their teenage girls, I have seen many lives truly changed for God by the Roloff ministries. I am a personal witness to girls coming in from homes full of rebellion and anger much like the girls on this site but they yielded to the Holy Spirit and were truly changed and went on to live happy lives for the Lord. Don't let the angry biterness of the girls on these postings affect your interest in this home. It is good to see you care enough to try to find a way to help the people you care about. I'm not saying the Rebekah Homes are the only way to go. There are other homes out there similar to it that can help your girls as well. Don't give up. There is hope.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: mitzy on October 27, 2005, 07:43:00 PM
Do you understand that the Camerons are banned from working with children in Texas?
Did you know there have been lawsuits filed by parents whose children were abused to the point of broken bones?
Educate yourself before you tell us how to live.
I myself am a Spiritual person with a personal relationship with God.I believe in spanking.
NOT BEATINGS. Did they really have to go to those extremes? Are you saying every member of this group is making this up?How dare you.
As for getting help in there, maybe for some....
I feel like those that abused us need to stand up and realize how many THOUSANDS of minds they twisted up and had power over.If the place was so great, then why do some  still need therapy to this day over it? They were master manipulators and they knew how to beat us into thinking we had to bow down to them to survive in there, that is not what i call helping someone,i call that scaring someone into being good, cant make a person want to be good by threats or beatings, that just screws them up more.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2005, 07:57:00 PM
life goes on.i agree.it is crazy how some people worry about what happened years ago, they need to start worrying about today. so much time people are wasting about their pasts, get on with your futures.i agree with the bitterness statement.let go let god. spend time with your families instead of getting on here and griping and worrying about the camerons.hug your children, and quit your bitching. the term children was used also, i feel it is time for you angry bitter people to grow up and move on.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2005, 08:45:00 PM
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On 2005-10-27 15:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I stumbled across this website by looking for information on the Rebekah Home for girls and was amazed by what I read. There seems to be so much bitterness flying through here. It actually cracks me up at how many of you are behaving like children. The "beatings" as you refer to are called spankings - discipline - consequences for your own foolish actions. I have received many of these spankings in my life and it only helped mold me into a better person. We are all born with a sinful nature and need to be taught to do right. Just as you would slap the hand of a child who was going to put his finger in an electric socket to protect him from harm, our butts needed to be slapped to protect us from endangering our lives in the future. I know from personal experience that the Rebekah Home is used as a tool to help young girls get their lives on the right track and the people who sent these girls there did it because they care. You reap what you sow, young ladies. The bitterness that started in your heart all those years ago is eating you up from the inside out and destroying you. It's because of Jesus Christ that I have true peace and joy. Remain your miserable selves but don't infect others who want help and who are looking for a place to help the people they care about by foolishly rambling on about a place where YOU CHOSE not to allow the Lord and the staff to help you. For those who are looking for a place to send their teenage girls, I have seen many lives truly changed for God by the Roloff ministries. I am a personal witness to girls coming in from homes full of rebellion and anger much like the girls on this site but they yielded to the Holy Spirit and were truly changed and went on to live happy lives for the Lord. Don't let the angry biterness of the girls on these postings affect your interest in this home. It is good to see you care enough to try to find a way to help the people you care about. I'm not saying the Rebekah Homes are the only way to go. There are other homes out there similar to it that can help your girls as well. Don't give up. There is hope."



JUST WHEN YOU THINK THEY BROKE THE MOLD,ONE MORE CRAWLS OUT OF THE WOOD-WORK.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: ? on October 28, 2005, 03:33:00 PM
whoever you may be and I think I have a pretty good idea of who you are. Is a little dust on the windowseal a reason to give someone a spanking or a bedspread not  3 inches off the floor a reason? How is that being a foolish person.God didnt make us perfect, but we were expected every day to be perfect. The staff there what a joke..what kind of help did they offer? please tell me.  what did anyone there ever have nice to say to anyone. Oh let me see the word slut, whore, we were all going to hell. I was sent there because my mother had a new husband and didnt want me. I was not a slut or a wayward girl or a drug user. When I was there. I did what I had to do. I kept my mouth shut.I even was a helper, oh wow. I didnt keep that title very long. I didnt give out demerits so I was put on confinment for 2 weeks. my roommate cut the glass out of the window and the alarm. she ran :lol:  that night. of course she was in lock up. but I had to kneel for 6 hours. There were girls the staff liked to show off they pranced them aroud town. They needed the people of Texas to see what good work the home was doing FOR US WAYWARD SLUT ASS GIRLS. The staff there were a bunch of child molesters. remember the helpers who stayed up all night. hmmm. you know i could just keep on. PLEASE tell me how this home should have made us better young ladies. by the the brainwashing, by the med calls in the morning by the tainted food we ate,if it wasnt tainted food why did we always have two helplers looking at our tray and we always had to open up our napkins. god forbid if we got the nasty food to the outside world. you call us bitter hell yes Im bitter. im just starting to remember all this stuff i did block it out. and there are kids still under the control of the homes no way to tell anyone what is really going on. please please let me and others who went to hell what good the home did for us. oh and for anyone who reads this forgive my spelling thats just another benifit i got from the rebekah school.but as you can see the post up has wonderful spelling skills and great wording. wonder who you really are. rebekah sisters put two and two together. they are still among us beware. oh and my real name is melissa  why dont you share your name with me?

Marijuana clearly has medicinal value.
 Thousands of seriously ill Americans have
 been able to determine that for themselves,
 albeit illegally. Like my own family, these
 individuals did not wish to break the law but
 they had no choice.
 

--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2005, 02:50:00 PM
On 2005-10-27 15:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I stumbled across this website by looking for information on the Rebekah Home for girls and was amazed by what I read. There seems to be so much bitterness flying through here. It actually cracks me up at how many of you are behaving like children. The "beatings" as you refer to are called spankings - discipline - consequences for your own foolish actions. I have received many of these spankings in my life and it only helped mold me into a better person. We are all born with a sinful nature and need to be taught to do right. Just as you would slap the hand of a child who was going to put his finger in an electric socket to protect him from harm, our butts needed to be slapped to protect us from endangering our lives in the future. I know from personal experience that the Rebekah Home is used as a tool to help young girls get their lives on the right track and the people who sent these girls there did it because they care. You reap what you sow, young ladies. The bitterness that started in your heart all those years ago is eating you up from the inside out and destroying you. It's because of Jesus Christ that I have true peace and joy. Remain your miserable selves but don't infect others who want help and who are looking for a place to help the people they care about by foolishly rambling on about a place where YOU CHOSE not to allow the Lord and the staff to help you. For those who are looking for a place to send their teenage girls, I have seen many lives truly changed for God by the Roloff ministries. I am a personal witness to girls coming in from homes full of rebellion and anger much like the girls on this site but they yielded to the Holy Spirit and were truly changed and went on to live happy lives for the Lord. Don't let the angry bitterness of the girls on these postings affect your interest in this home. It is good to see you care enough to try to find a way to help the people you care about. I'm not saying the Rebekah Homes are the only way to go. There are other homes out there similar to it that can help your girls as well. Don't give up. There is hope.
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I was also in the home in 71
It was a correct statement you made when you "stumbled" across this site, "Stumbled" being the key word, Because You "STUMBLED" through a lot of heart felt letters and made light of something that was very tragic for a lot of girls. Who are by the way now full grown woman- and you  should treat them with respect. They are no longer children or "YOUNG LADIES" as you have put it in your letter. The bitterness that you claim is flying though here is from a lot of woman that have every right to be bitter. Their treatment at the homes after we left was a horrible tragedy that makes me deeply sad. And angers me beyond words-There just are none or enough that could be said to tell these woman how sorry that I am for what they had to endure not only there, but now as I speak, how they are still enduring what the homes did to them. What part of it "CRACKED" you up? You dare come on here and refer to them as children and mock them with your own amusement. You think it is funny? Shame on you!
Represent your self as a Christan or even as one of us? How dare you judge them! You where not there with them, and your ignorance angers me! I am sad for you that you that your heart is hardened and that you choose to criticize Instead of embrace understanding of their very real pain. Your lack of knowledge is embarrassing me! Don't speak for the girls of 71 speak for your self. No one here needs to be educated on discipline! KNOCK KNOCK! HELLO! We have all had our own children and very much know the difference. And it did not require beating them or starving them or beating them over the head with the bible. We did not need to force feed God's teachings to them. Nobody here that I know of had to strip their children of their self esteem for making mistakes. Or Your words "FOOLISH ACTIONS"! Sure there has to be discipline with in reason to direct our children's paths. But poping your kid on the hand is a far cry from being slapped, starved, or thrown in lock up. They did not whip them for doing drugs or running away etc. The price for that my friend was being there. Just being there. Loosing everything  they where use to having,- one being their freedom. Knock Knock are you listening? Do you hear what I am saying? Unless they where hitting them for something they where clearly already paying for. They got whipped for stupid shit ex-sample being something left on the floor. Day to day stuff. How many of you ladies can remember being whipped for stupid shit raise your hands please. That served no life purpose? Served a purpose for the home for the workers that abused. They squeezed all the purpose they could get from it.
Was it endangering their life's when they did not have everything in place in their rooms?
Or for some just stepping out of their rooms? You make it sound like they where whipped so they would not hurt themselves. UN-true! they took up everything anyone could possibly hurt them self's with. The whippings where dished out according to what they defined as bad. How many times did they deserve to be beaten for what they did before they got there? And some girls did nothing to get there.
Yes bitterness dose destroy ones heart. But talking about it was the first step to getting past it for a lot of people here. UN-like you could at the home. Where you were not allowed to speak of you know little things like getting raped or molested or beaten. These issues where not approachable by them. Not once was anyone told honey it is not your fault you got molested or raped or that your mom was never home or your parents where divorced or that you mom or dad was a drunk.
What infects others Is people like you! Who choose to stay ignorant and one sided and choose not to look past their own experiences. And duh! realize and open your arms and heart to someones who's is different. You turn a blind eye to the fact that mistakes where made-    Your indifference and lack of compassion sickens me to my very core.
Standing there with your hands on your smarty little pants saying "You reap what you sow"
"Your bitterness is derived from your own inadequate mistakes all those years ago Is eating you inside out and destroying you"! Who the hell do you think you are? You do not know these girls hearts or souls! How dare you make that assessment with-out even understanding them as individuals? Maybe the Granny is coming out of me now because I just want to slap your little face.... Note: I am saying that nicely now while I am doing it....I am trying to help you...
Now that did not sound very Christan did it? I'm sorry but I don't want you to put your finger in a socket now would we?
Maybe you should go get back in that o'll prayer closet and pray for forgiveness for Judging
people that you don't even know. My experience at the home was much like yours and did have it better.Things started out good- and for some it did change their life's for the better,but for others destroyed. Because things changed and people where hurt. And in spite of it have become wonderful-
people,with good children that they chose to raise different. I stand in awe of them because of who they have become and what they have accomplished-And believe it or not with Jesus Christ in their life's and hearts. Because why? He lives in their hearts not at the homes. It is in our darkest hours that Christ comes to us even when we are bitter.He heals us.and nobody has to go back to the homes to receive that-because Jesus is no further than our own hearts. He said he would never leave or forsake us -
We should embrace them not judge them. I say Shame on you! SHAME SHAME SHAME! One day you will read this letter again when you are being judged by God. May he have mercy on you soul. :flame:  :flame:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Saber Tooth on October 30, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
The Fact or Fiction Posts cracked me up!
Fact or Fiction?
Lester Roloff-"Boxers or Briefs" ::jawdrop::

The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles.
--John Adams, U.S. President

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Saber Tooth on October 30, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
Will the real Bridget Jones Stand up please? :wstupid:

If you want a voluntary urine sample from me it'll have to be a taste test.
--Bumper Sticker

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
Who are you asking who they are? If you are looking for me I am in the V.I.P. room. ::bandit::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
Fact or Fiction:
Did Roloff where boxers or briefs?
Answer: Neither, it was a shiny red thong made out of dental floss and a fruit roll up
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: freebird on October 30, 2005, 09:37:00 PM
MR WILELY CAMERON AND FAYE PLEASE STOP TRYING TO HELP KIDS YOU REALLY SUCK AT IT. DOES THE ROLOFF HOMES HAVE A RETIREMENT HOME? MIGHT WANT TO CHECK INTO ONE MAYBE YOU WILL GET A DISCOUNT. ::eek3::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: The Liger on October 30, 2005, 10:23:00 PM
What's worse:  Wasting time writing about the past online, or wasting time writing about how people are wasting time writing about the past online?

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On 2005-10-27 16:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"life goes on.i agree.it is crazy how some people worry about what happened years ago, they need to start worrying about today. so much time people are wasting about their pasts, get on with your futures.i agree with the bitterness statement.let go let god. spend time with your families instead of getting on here and griping and worrying about the camerons.hug your children, and quit your bitching. the term children was used also, i feel it is time for you angry bitter people to grow up and move on."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
the past is what has made me who I am today. i talk about the past to better understand who i am today. i am tired of people telling me not to talk about the abuse and to live with it because i have lived with it all these years. i consider telling people to stop writing a waste of time because i won't stop writing and telling my story.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: freebird on October 31, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
i will not stop writting either. also the past is what made me who i am. one month ago i was a walking door mat. and didnt even relize how i let people use me. when i started remembering things its was like... i know why i do the things i do. BUT NO MORE.. I WILL NOT BE USED, I DO STAND UP FOR MYSELF NOW. NOONE WILL EVER TREAT ME LIKE THAT AGAIN. IM NOT AFRAID TO SPEEK MY MIND. BEFORE I WAS MEEK I WOULD NOT SAY A WORD EXCEPT YES YES YES. BUT I KNOW THAT I WAS STILL THAT BRAINWASHED TEENAGER.WHO WAS AFRAID OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ME. IT HAS ONLY TAKEN 20 SOME YEARS TO UNDERSTAND.IF YOU DONT WANT TO READ OUR STORY THAN WHY ARE YOU ON THIS WEB SITE. WELL IM GOING TO CELEBRATE HALLOWEEN. BECAUSE I CAN....
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
Cool I will go get the weegy board! Lets have a sconce and dig up some more goodies. Maybe we can bring up o'll Lester him self? Ask him what he thinks about them getting 6'000 a head now. Plus all benefits. and of course some petty cash on the side, that must stay replenished at all times. The price for none payment your baby is put on a bus and shipped out. Maybe he will cut loose with some wine? Or maybe he will tell us where he burried all that  money? We could bring him back by singing "Just As I am." Or living by Faith? Anybody got some gum my mouth taste a little bitter. :scared:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2005, 08:33:00 PM
some rebekah survivors have gone on with their lives, and i am speaking for myself, have survived way worse than rebekah. i know having raised a teenager myself, that some parents really had no choice.for myself, i know i put my parents through alot, and at least i was safe from others and myself.how hard was it?  raising children and working full time is a whole hell of alot harder than my time spent at rebekah.i cannot for the life of me figure out why you old rebekah girls cannot simply go on with your lives.do some of you women not have mouthy rebelious teenagers? my mother did the best she could do with me.why dwell on the bad things that happened years ago? god does not want you to walk around with bitter,angry souls. why not instead of getting on here and venting ,go to the legislation and get things changed.it is not helping anyone to hear all of the bad memories.rolling around in the mud doesn't change things,and cannot be making it better.we all know how we were treated at rebekah. no secret to any of us. advice to you, pray to the god that roloff taught you about, forgive your parents, and love yourself enough to not carry around the baggage from years ago.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 10:29:00 AM
Both :roll:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 10:29:00 AM
Both :roll:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 12:06:00 PM
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On 2005-10-30 19:23:00, The Liger wrote:

"What's worse:  Wasting time writing about the past online, or wasting time writing about how people are wasting time writing about the past online?



 :nworthy:

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It was a hard decision But....I think it is the people talking about the people talking about their past.  



On 2005-10-27 16:57:00, Anonymous wrote:


"life goes on.i agree.it is crazy how some people worry about what happened years ago, they need to start worrying about today. so much time people are wasting about their pasts, get on with your futures.i agree with the bitterness statement.let go let god. spend time with your families instead of getting on here and griping and worrying about the camerons.hug your children, and quit your bitching. the term children was used also, i feel it is time for you angry bitter people to grow up and move on."

"
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
I am one of those old Rebekah girls. And It was a walk in the park for me there compared to what some of the girls behind me. And I agree that it is not healthy to hold all that is side and carry it around. There comes a time in all of our life's that we must move on and let go of our pasts. But in order to get past it we must face it, take it by the horns and wrestle with it. Hearing others stories helps- for those who have for many years been felt very alone. There are still a lot of  girls out there....that continue to carry this around and have shut themselves down because of it. And need someone who has been there and can relate. It is to those people I owe my heart and loyalty. They shared their story's and friendship with me and as a result of that - It is now after all these years, I have begun to heal. I think it is wrong to make anyone feel guilty for telling their story. Especially those who are just now beginning to look for the first time for a place to come where others understand. It is a relief knowing there are others to share tears and a hug. You would be surprised how powerful and how far those two words  I UNDERSTAND can carry one. If you have moved on than why are you in here re-reading? If it means so much to you that others do that and you are now strong enough and your weights have been lifted, Then where is your support? What can we do to lighten their load? I say support them don't condemn them! Is it so far fetch to extend you hand and heart to them? If for nothing else to just listen? What good advise do you have that will help them other than GET OVER IT GROW UP! Those can be very hurtful words to one looking for a friend.
Why can't we help them when they come carrying baggage, to leave without it? I think the only thing at this point that we could do without in here is all the cat fights. The contempt that is held for one another instead of love. I think would be the best starting point is for everyone to stop being so angry at each other, Say I am sorry and hug, so when we do grab that monster by the horns, So we will have help, And in numbers- Then we can heal togather
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: siamie on November 01, 2005, 02:38:00 PM
how do we get past the misunderstandings?

a forest of douglas firs will withstand the storm, one will not.

there is strength in numbers
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: The Liger on November 01, 2005, 03:13:00 PM
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On 2005-10-31 17:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"it is not helping anyone to hear all of the bad memories."


It helps the rest of us to know that we are not alone.  It helps trigger our suppressed memories.  In the year or so that I have been coming on this and other websites, I have healed more than I did in the ten years prior to that when I kept everything to myself, thinking that no one else in the entire world understood the feelings that I have.  Hearing all the other stories has given me a sense of validation about those feelings and has shown me that I am not alone.

So why don't you get over yourself and stop assuming that you are the great authority on what helps people and what does not help people?  Since we are out of these facilities, and since we are adults, we are free to decide what is good for us.  We don't need someone else beating it into us that they know what is good for us.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!LIGER well said. :nworthy:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
hey liger no one here is tryin to be authoritarion about anything. we are adult women that need to quit  being self absorbed and feeling sorry for ourselves.life hands you lemons make lemonade.get over your self and all of the bad things that have happened to you, and quit being the victim.poor pitiful you, you had to SURVIVE roloff.god bless, life is not a rainbow for anyone.hell i had to SURVIVE walmart parking lot today.keep rollin in mud dear,  put on wonder woman costume and by god, save the fucking world.halaluehhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
i do not get on here and roll around in the roloff mud and bitch.i do not try and get on here and save the fucking world either. someone said to me get over it, and ya know ,i fuckin did. i am only tryin to pass on the great words of wisdom-GET OVER IT. i know that if those three words got me over all of my feel sorry for myself, oh i had it sooo bad bullshit...then maybe it will help someone else. i choose not to walk around ugly and bitter. i choose not to catfight with someone with no claws.behave yourself little girl,for that it what you are acting like. halloween was over yesterday.WONDER WOMAN NEEDS TO BE PUT IT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
:tup: halaleulaaaaaaa!!!!is that how ya spelled it?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
do not get on here and roll around in the roloff mud and bitch.i do not try and get on here and save the fucking world either. someone said to me get over it, and ya know ,i fuckin did. i am only tryin to pass on the great words of wisdom-GET OVER IT. i know that if those three words got me over all of my feel sorry for myself, oh i had it sooo bad bullshit...then maybe it will help someone else. i choose not to walk around ugly and bitter. i choose not to catfight with someone with no claws.behave yourself little girl,for that it what you are acting like. halloween was over yesterday.WONDER WOMAN NEEDS TO BE PUT IT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

your words say differently because you jump on anyone who isn't over it and tear them apart. you are being ugly by yelling at us to get over it
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
i am so not jumpin on anyone.why don't you get out of your corner and quit being on the defense dear.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 05:50:00 PM
MINDCONTROL, you girls are so easy. so funny to me how I can get on here and absolutely make you GIRLS, respond. true women will not be controlled. please ladies do your husbands and children a favor AND GROW UP.ta ta for now,dinner time.hahahahahahahaha
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 05:51:00 PM
by the way, cut copy and paste my foot in your ass. :lol:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 06:53:00 PM
don't get your panties in a wad you were the one telling us to get over it maybe you should get over it
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: freebird on November 01, 2005, 07:10:00 PM
If you people are over it, then why come on here and post? get on with your life.... why dont you start another post for people who got over it...   why do you feel the need to tell us how to feel. or what to feel.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 07:22:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 14:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"by the way, cut copy and paste my foot in your ass. :lol: "



Who are you talking to? It is losers like you that make the rest of us look bad. I guess it wouldn't be fun cat fighting those with no claws.
But I see it dose not stop you from being a bully. I do not know you and do not want to! You should get over your self, It is to bad no one told you to do that.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Rosiecole on November 01, 2005, 07:22:00 PM
Don't feel bad, I am not over it either and it's been 11 years.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 07:32:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 16:10:00, freebird wrote:

"If you people are over it, then why come on here and post? get on with your life.... why dont you start another post for people who got over it...   why do you feel the need to tell us how to feel. or what to feel. "




I second that! Nobody wants you here, so go start another topic about yourself. I just hope you get over it when no one wants to talk to a potty mouthed jerk.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Rosiecole on November 01, 2005, 07:36:00 PM
I too lived with the Palmers, but at their roloff lives on home in Union, Mississippi.  They called it happiness hills, I called it sadness hell.  I know we are talking about the same Palmer's because their daughter's name was Cheryl who died in the crash, right?  Please email me. My name is Melissa and my email address is [email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: freebird on November 01, 2005, 08:19:00 PM
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LOSERS LIKE ME. HOW DO I MAKE YOU LOOK BAD . IM JUST SAYING IF YOU ARE OVER IT GO SOME WHERE ELSE. WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT BEING A BULLY. YOU ARE MAKING NO SENSE. GOOD WE ARE HAPPY FOR YOU, IF YOU CAN GET OVER IT. AND IN YOUR CASE I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS YOUR OVER. ILL NEVER FORGET WHAT THOSE PEOPLE DID TO ME. BUT WHATS WORSE IS THERE STILL DOING IT. YOU SEEM TO BE A VERY ANGRY PERSON MAYBE YOUR NOT OVER IT.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 08:41:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 14:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"MINDCONTROL, you girls are so easy. so funny to me how I can get on here and absolutely make you GIRLS, respond. true women will not be controlled. please ladies do your husbands and children a favor AND GROW UP.ta ta for now,dinner time.hahahahahahahaha"




Anybody have a poison apple? You think you are so smart, But you look so stupid. People who poke at other people's family's are generally speaking from their own experience- of running off all thier own. Twit! Isn't it time for your meds or something? Do you need attention that bad? Must really live a lonely life. Do you know what signs to look for on  depression?
Persistent feelings of hoplessness?
Dejection,or poor concentration?
Lack of engergy?
Inability to sleep?
Unhappiness?
Sometimes sucidal tendencies?
For someone to maintain this level of thought is just sick.It is not even a semblance of normal.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 17:19:00, freebird wrote:

"WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LOSERS LIKE ME. HOW DO I MAKE YOU LOOK BAD . IM JUST SAYING IF YOU ARE OVER IT GO SOME WHERE ELSE. WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT BEING A BULLY. YOU ARE MAKING NO SENSE. GOOD WE ARE HAPPY FOR YOU, IF YOU CAN GET OVER IT. AND IN YOUR CASE I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS YOUR OVER. ILL NEVER FORGET WHAT THOSE PEOPLE DID TO ME. BUT WHATS WORSE IS THERE STILL DOING IT. YOU SEEM TO BE A VERY ANGRY PERSON MAYBE YOUR NOT OVER IT."


I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU I WAS TALKING TO THE LOSER THAT SAID GET OVER IT!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 08:51:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 14:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"i am so not jumpin on anyone.why don't you get out of your corner and quit being on the defense dear."


I don't think they are all there? wouldn't you agree? ::bangin::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 08:59:00 PM
i agree.what year were all you guys in the homes.maybe we know each other. :wave:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 09:00:00 PM
thats who i was talking too also
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 09:07:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 16:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-01 14:51:00, Anonymous wrote:


"by the way, cut copy and paste my foot in your ass. ::dove::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: freebird on November 01, 2005, 09:10:00 PM
i was talking to ass hole to who ever you are ass hole go away your probaly one of those hidden cult members lurking around.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 09:21:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 14:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

" do not get on here and roll around in the roloff mud and bitch.i do not try and get on here and save the fucking world either. someone said to me get over it, and ya know ,i fuckin did. i am only tryin to pass on the great words of wisdom-GET OVER IT. i know that if those three words got me over all of my feel sorry for myself, oh i had it sooo bad bullshit...then maybe it will help someone else. i choose not to walk around ugly and bitter. i choose not to catfight with someone with no claws.behave yourself little girl,for that it what you are acting like. halloween was over yesterday.WONDER WOMAN NEEDS TO BE PUT IT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.



your words say differently because you jump on anyone who isn't over it and tear them apart. you are being ugly by yelling at us to get over it"


You haven't gotten over the spelling problem yet!
Now this leaves my mouth a tad bitter.
What ever grade you where in when you got there you might ought to pick up and start there.
Just a little words of wisdom from someone who got over it and went back to school.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 09:29:00 PM
its really not nice to make fun of someones spelling. or the way they talk. i thought this web site was for rebekah survivors. not to make fun of others.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 10:56:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 13:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"hey liger no one here is tryin to be authoritarion about anything. we are adult women that need to quit  being self absorbed and feeling sorry for ourselves.life hands you lemons make lemonade.get over your self and all of the bad things that have happened to you, and quit being the victim.poor pitiful you, you had to SURVIVE roloff.god bless, life is not a rainbow for anyone.hell i had to SURVIVE walmart parking lot today.keep rollin in mud dear,  put on wonder woman costume and by god, save the fucking world.halaluehhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!"


Can we toss this one back? I don't think it is a keeper. ::puke:: You make me puke! You are a evil person! Saving it is better than destroying it like you.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 18:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"its really not nice to make fun of someones spelling. or the way they talk. i thought this web site was for rebekah survivors. not to make fun of others."



Then get over it as they said. They are not a nice person.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 11:28:00 PM
does anyone post their stories anymore or do we just battle with a few mean people. MEAN PEOPLE SUCK!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 11:42:00 PM
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On 2005-11-01 20:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"does anyone post their stories anymore or do we just battle with a few mean people. MEAN PEOPLE SUCK!!"


Problem being: The mean people that is harping on those that do want to tell their stories.  :roll:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 11:48:00 PM
solutions?????
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 12:38:00 AM
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On 2005-11-01 20:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"solutions?????"


Now we are getting some where! We should stop answering thier posts. If they do not get the attention they will leave.
Boycott Mean People! ::troll::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 01:02:00 AM
i agree. can we devise a way to reply to post so there are no mis-understandings because sometimes we are battling the wrong people. as we have seen recently
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 08:19:00 AM
just start a totally off the wall topic and everyone discuss it, that'll make them go away :idea:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 08:19:00 AM
just start a totally off the wall topic and everyone discuss it, that'll make them go away :idea:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
the problem with that is they don't go away. if we ignore them they will. if we our clear about which post we are writing back to it might help clear up confusion. if we do not jump to conclusions and ask for a better explanation. just an opinion. ::rainbow:: we can start using peace symbols
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
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On 2005-11-02 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"the problem with that is they don't go away. if we ignore them they will. if we our clear about which post we are writing back to it might help clear up confusion. if we do not jump to conclusions and ask for a better explanation. just an opinion. ::rainbow:: we can start using peace symbols"




Wonderful Ideal! If people would go to where it says quote-At the end of the reply- It will box what ever they say and your comment is outside the box- Then they know you are posting right directly to them. And if they are nasty then no one need answer them, :wink:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 10:22:00 AM
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On 2005-11-02 07:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-02 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:


"the problem with that is they don't go away. if we ignore them they will. if we our clear about which post we are writing back to it might help clear up confusion. if we do not jump to conclusions and ask for a better explanation. just an opinion. ::rainbow:: we can start using peace symbols"








Wonderful Ideal! If people would go to where it says quote-At the end of the reply- It will box what ever they say and your comment is outside the box- Then they know you are posting right directly to them. And if they are nasty then no one need answer them, :wink: "

Bravo! my sista & we can educate new ones
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Saber Tooth on November 02, 2005, 02:15:00 PM
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On 2005-11-02 07:15:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-11-02 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:



"the problem with that is they don't go away. if we ignore them they will. if we our clear about which post we are writing back to it might help clear up confusion. if we do not jump to conclusions and ask for a better explanation. just an opinion. ::rainbow:: we can start using peace symbols"



 You did it! Yes!











Wonderful Ideal! If people would go to where it says quote-At the end of the reply- It will box what ever they say and your comment is outside the box- Then they know you are posting right directly to them. And if they are nasty then no one need answer them, :wink: "



Bravo! my sista & we can educate new ones"

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid
of the dark. The real tragedy of life is
when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 09:25:00 PM
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On 2005-11-02 05:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"just start a totally off the wall topic and everyone discuss it, that'll make them go away :wave:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 09:11:00 AM
::drummer::  ::both::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 09:17:00 AM
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On 2005-11-03 06:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::drummer::  ::both:: "
anyone who wants to talk about the home i would like to find some who was there under the camerons and barretts
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 09:20:00 AM
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On 2005-11-03 06:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-03 06:11:00, Anonymous wrote:


" ::drummer::  ::boohoo::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 09:26:00 AM
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" ::drummer::  ::boohoo:: "
okay but to let you know i dont feel sorry for myself. just needed a little information
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 10:19:00 AM
i was under the camerons. faye cameron got in trouble in the state of texas. now they are in florida.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 11:13:00 AM
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On 2005-11-02 11:15:00, Saber Tooth wrote:

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On 2005-11-02 07:22:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-11-02 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:




"the problem with that is they don't go away. if we ignore them they will. if we our clear about which post we are writing back to it might help clear up confusion. if we do not jump to conclusions and ask for a better explanation. just an opinion. ::rainbow:: we can start using peace symbols"






 You did it! Yes!















Wonderful Ideal! If people would go to where it says quote-At the end of the reply- It will box what ever they say and your comment is outside the box- Then they know you are posting right directly to them. And if they are nasty then no one need answer them, :wink: "





Bravo! my sista & we can educate new ones"

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid
of the dark. The real tragedy of life is
when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato

"
GOOD IDEA!!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 11:23:00 AM
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On 2005-11-03 07:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"i was under the camerons. faye cameron got in trouble in the state of texas. now they are in florida."
do they still work in homes. i was in texas. in 83 84 what year were you in the homes.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
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On 2005-11-03 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-03 07:19:00, Anonymous wrote:


"i was under the camerons. faye cameron got in trouble in the state of texas. now they are in florida."

do they still work in homes. i was in texas. in 83 84 what year were you in the homes. "
not sure if they work directly in home or not. they must be in their 70s. rebekah moved to pace, florida after it was closed down by the state. last i heard mcnamerras(sp) run it. were the camerons in charge when you were there
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Rosiecole on November 03, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
What's wrong with you?  You shouldn't even be on this forum of survivors who come here for support, when you support the roloff cults.  You are still brainwashed, and I feel bad for you.  You think it was normal a young teen jumped out a second story window.  Think about this, maybe JESUS told her to do it to escape.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
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On 2005-11-03 09:56:00, Rosiecole wrote:

"What's wrong with you?  You shouldn't even be on this forum of survivors who come here for support, when you support the roloff cults.  You are still brainwashed, and I feel bad for you.  You think it was normal a young teen jumped out a second story window.  Think about this, maybe JESUS told her to do it to escape.  "
who are you talking to. if its me im not a suporter. im just looking for information. i want to know about these people and where they are. im a victim of these people. and im also looking for anyone who may have been there at the same time i was. i agree with you if you are a suppoter of these homes.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
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On 2005-11-03 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-03 07:19:00, Anonymous wrote:


"i was under the camerons. faye cameron got in trouble in the state of texas. now they are in florida."

do they still work in homes. i was in texas. in 83 84 what year were you in the homes. "
funny question: did you cut girls hair for them when you were there?
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Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
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On 2005-11-03 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-11-03 07:19:00, Anonymous wrote:



"i was under the camerons. faye cameron got in trouble in the state of texas. now they are in florida."


do they still work in homes. i was in texas. in 83 84 what year were you in the homes. " what ever

funny question: did you cut girls hair for them when you were there?"
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 08:58:00 PM
Who cut hair? I dont get it. Lets get back to the topic. Oh there is not one. :idea:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Rosiecole on November 03, 2005, 09:04:00 PM
Perhaps I misunderstood your previous posting.  I thought you supported the homes, maybe I read it wrong, if I did I apologize.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 01:48:00 AM
Has anyone read Ms. Roloffs Book yet?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 07:21:00 AM
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On 2005-11-03 18:04:00, Rosiecole wrote:

"Perhaps I misunderstood your previous posting.  I thought you supported the homes, maybe I read it wrong, if I did I apologize."
Is  cool :grin:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 11:58:00 AM
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On 2005-11-03 22:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Has anyone read Ms. Roloffs Book yet?"
no i havent read it. what is it about. how wonderful her husband was. ill pass on it. if thats the case.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Rosiecole on November 04, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
The cameron's are still running homes but they are in Florida now.  There is a special article about them from 11/04 called Secrets in the School house.  I don't know the website, but you should google it.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
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On 2005-11-04 13:08:00, Rosiecole wrote:

"The cameron's are still running homes but they are in Florida now.  There is a special article about them from 11/04 called Secrets in the School house.  I don't know the website, but you should google it."
on WEAR-TV by Mollye Barrows
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
it was a 3 part series
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 04:49:00 PM
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On 2005-11-04 13:08:00, Rosiecole wrote:

"The cameron's are still running homes but they are in Florida now.  There is a special article about them from 11/04 called Secrets in the School house.  I don't know the website, but you should google it."


No it is not just all about him. Mrs. Roloff was opposite of old Lester. Did you know she slept on the opposite side of the house? She had a t.v. wore pants makeup and had newspapers went to the movies wore jewelry?
Did you know that she predicted his death in 71? And that she directed a play with us girls that portrayed that prediction? She had a different view on things. Did ya know old Lester use to race cars until he had a real bad accident.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 04:59:00 PM
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On 2005-11-04 13:08:00, Rosiecole wrote:

"The cameron's are still running homes but they are in Florida now.  There is a special article about them from 11/04 called Secrets in the School house.  I don't know the website, but you should google it."
There is an article in the Texas Monthly about the abuse that led to the closing of the homes in Texas.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 05:28:00 PM
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On 2005-11-04 13:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-04 13:08:00, Rosiecole wrote:


"The cameron's are still running homes but they are in Florida now.  There is a special article about them from 11/04 called Secrets in the School house.  I don't know the website, but you should google it."

There is an article in the Texas Monthly about the abuse that led to the closing of the homes in Texas."
April of 2000
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 06:43:00 PM
I thought they retired. Both of them got in trouble. What homes are connected to roloff that are opened now?
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Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 07:13:00 PM
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On 2005-11-04 15:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I thought they retired. Both of them got in trouble. What homes are connected to roloff that are opened now?"
i also thought they were retired. rebekah in pace, florida is open and it is afflilated with roloff. they moved thre because they could not operate in texas anymore
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
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On 2005-11-04 16:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-04 15:43:00, Anonymous wrote:


"I thought they retired. Both of them got in trouble. What homes are connected to roloff that are opened now?"

i also thought they were retired. rebekah in pace, florida is open and it is afflilated with roloff. they moved thre because they could not operate in texas anymore"
Is that straight program part of roloff
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
Don't You people have a life? Shit!  What the fuck is a matter with you people? You Bitch and Bitch about getting rid of these people! Yet you live and breath them! If they have such influnce over your lifes it is because you give it to them!
 That is all that comes out of your mouths! The Cameron's this the Cameron's that!
You give them POWER over your liefs by letting them CONTROL your every thought. Therefore are still controlling you! You in effect keep them alive. Bury them for gods sake. If you concentrated more on your family's and less them you might have effective life's. You never see anyone come on here and talk about what good life's they have how much they love their children. I mean do you? When you constantly talk about them, it makes you a supporter because you repeatedly advertise their name. Why don't you put a freaking sign on you back and stand on a freaking street corner! Stupid! Maybe you are brainwashed! After all it is all you live and breath! You all but eat it! Wait don't tell me? Are there Cameron Burgers now? Super size the Comoran frys! Anyone care for a Cameron shake? Don't tell me, Your kids middle name is Cameron too? Freaks!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2005, 03:22:00 PM
Hell for that matter, Maybe Jesus just freaking push her! That is the stupidest shit I ever heard! Maybe it was the workers? The devil?
What farm did you come from? The funny farm?
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Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2005, 03:27:00 PM
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On 2005-11-04 16:13:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-11-04 15:43:00, Anonymous wrote:



"I thought they retired. Both of them got in trouble. What homes are connected to roloff that are opened now?"


i also thought they were retired. rebekah in pace, florida is open and it is afflilated with roloff. they moved thre because they could not operate in texas anymore"

Is that straight program part of roloff"
no i don't think so
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2005, 03:30:00 PM
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On 2005-11-02 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:


"the problem with that is they don't go away. if we ignore them they will. if we our clear about which post we are writing back to it might help clear up confusion. if we do not jump to conclusions and ask for a better explanation. just an opinion. ::rainbow:: we can start using peace symbols"








Wonderful Ideal! If people would go to where it says quote-At the end of the reply- It will box what ever they say and your comment is outside the box- Then they know you are posting right directly to them. And if they are nasty then no one need answer them, :wink: "
peace out
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Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2005, 03:58:00 PM
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On 2005-11-02 07:15:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-11-02 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:



"the problem with that is they don't go away. if we ignore them they will. if we our clear about which post we are writing back to it might help clear up confusion. if we do not jump to conclusions and ask for a better explanation. just an opinion. ::rainbow:: we can start using peace symbols"














Wonderful Ideal! If people would go to where it says quote-At the end of the reply- It will box what ever they say and your comment is outside the box- Then they know you are posting right directly to them. And if they are nasty then no one need answer them, ::rainbow::  ::dove::  ::bump::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2005, 04:25:00 PM
::boohoo::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
Life rocks !!!!!!! :wave:  :wave:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 07:14:00 AM
they are too mindcontrolled to listen to anyone. they eat, breath, and shit, their bad experience.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 07:19:00 AM
they are also too busy feeling sorry for themselves to ever make time to talk about anything else besides their "bad roloff days".i feel sorry for their families,if they can still bitch about something that happened all those years ago,think about what it is like livin with some of them.bitch.bitch.bitch.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 08:56:00 AM
::smokingun::  ::dove::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 10:59:00 AM
talk about someone wasting there time. i am posting on the sight that is designated lester rolffs home for girls survivors. if u do not like it. 2 bad get a life. loser ::soapbox:: get off your soapbox & preach to someone who gives a damn
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 12:58:00 PM
no shit! i believe the sight was created to let people "get it out" so leave please.
SIMPLE, if it bothers you to read someones whining post  then dont read or dont come in here.
Save yourself from getting all worked up.
Careful dear, you might have a coronary
and this sight just might be dangerous to your health and well-being.
ALERT: Save the whiners, we whiners need to stick together.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
::boohoo::  ::boohoo::  ::boohoo::  ::boohoo::  ::kma::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 02:03:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 09:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"no shit! i believe the sight was created to let people "get it out" so leave please.

SIMPLE, if it bothers you to read someones whining post  then dont read or dont come in here.

Save yourself from getting all worked up.

Careful dear, you might have a coronary

and this sight just might be dangerous to your health and well-being.

ALERT: Save the whiners, we whiners need to stick together."


Someone quick get a bucket of cold water the whiners are stuck togather. ::hehehmm:: wennies
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
::mecry:: maybe their tears will unstick em.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
SIMPLE MIND CONTROLLED FUCKS.GET YOU TROOPS TOGETHER AND PUT ON YOUR WONDER WOMAN COSTUMES !!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 02:33:00 PM
what are you so mad about? it will be okay. it was a long time ago for most of us. it takes some along time to get their anger of how they were treated.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: The Liger on November 07, 2005, 03:49:00 PM
::troll::

Ignore them!!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 05:41:00 PM
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Bulls eye! Bing Bing Bong! Darn rickety rackety wabbit. ::mecry::  Cry Baby's! :tup:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 05:50:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 04:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"they are too mindcontrolled to listen to anyone. they eat, breath, and shit, their bad experience."
It is ok they probably saved Ms. Cameron's dress to blow thier nose on. Little comfort keeper there.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 12:49:00, The Liger wrote:

" ::troll::



Ignore them!!!
"
But I just got on my grapefruit box! ::mecry::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 05:57:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 11:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::hatter::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 05:57:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 11:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::hatter::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 06:04:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 07:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"talk about someone wasting there time. i am posting on the sight that is designated lester rolffs home for girls survivors. if u do not like it. 2 bad get a life. loser ::soapbox:: get off your soapbox & preach to someone who gives a damn"


Like to try a muff burger ::burger::  :wave:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 11:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"what are you so mad about? it will be okay. it was a long time ago for most of us. it takes some along time to get their anger of how they were treated."

It just an't fair the camerons get all the attention. ::mecry::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 11:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"what are you so mad about? it will be okay. it was a long time ago for most of us. it takes some along time to get their anger of how they were treated."

It just an't fair the camerons get all the attention. ::mecry::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 10:46:00 PM
thk u for ur letter defending the people that "cry like babies" about what happened to us. I was also doing research on this (it has taken me 4 years since I left in 2001 to even face it) when I came across her letter. It really hurt my feelings. It's confusing enough when my own family can't acknowledge my pain and hurt and then for someone to say things like that it makes me question my own pain. But after reading your letter it confirmed what I have felt for a long time and thk u for that. God bless you! I love your heart. :tup:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: freebird on November 07, 2005, 11:17:00 PM
looking for my friends i was in rebekah in 83 85 does anyone know shawna thompson, or carol kay.
why do you people who call us cry babies just go away
1. why are you even on this website?
2. why does any of this matter to you?
3. why do you even give a shit how we feel?
4.why do you feel like making fun of us?
  instead of calling us freaks why dont you just go away? why do you keep replying?
what business is it of yours, why we want to talk to each other, and share our time in the homes.
why dont you just answer these ? honestly without having a damn heartattack.
 do u even know me? no you dont.
do you know what they did to me ? no you dont
so why do you just shut your mouth.or start telling us why you are on here.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2005, 07:12:00 AM
why are you holding on to this one bad experience? can you not see that the people you hate the most are still controlling you? by you walking around with bitterness and hate still in your heart, you have givin your power up to them. take back your power! i was in the homes, i do know what we all went through. i choose not to whine and woller in self pity. can you see how mind controlled you still are? it is amazing to me how those people still control you today.my message to you is get over it and move on in life. try to forgive your parents for sending you to the funny farm. you must hate your parents worse because they gave you to the wackos.why hate on the wackos, your parents knew more than you did, and they left you there. place the blame where it needs to be placed.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2005, 09:20:00 AM
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On 2005-11-08 04:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"why are you holding on to this one bad experience? can you not see that the people you hate the most are still controlling you? by you walking around with bitterness and hate still in your heart, you have givin your power up to them. take back your power! i was in the homes, i do know what we all went through. i choose not to whine and woller in self pity. can you see how mind controlled you still are? it is amazing to me how those people still control you today.my message to you is get over it and move on in life. try to forgive your parents for sending you to the funny farm. you must hate your parents worse because they gave you to the wackos.why hate on the wackos, your parents knew more than you did, and they left you there. place the blame where it needs to be placed.  
i do have my reasons for not letting go there are things that are troubling me. its not all about me, i remember now so much, of things that were done to others. this isnt something i have held on to for years. im just now remembering alot. laws were broken. and i dont mean by them putting us in lock up. or the licks. okay sure it was bad and it hurt. there is so much more and i will not decribe to you what i did witness. not right now anyway. i do have a life. i have been married for 14 years and i have 3 children. i do not carry this around with me all day. as far as my mother i do not hate her, honestly she never wanted me and i have accepted that years ago. how am i supose to let go of the things i witnesed. do i just pretend it didnt happen?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Saber Tooth on November 08, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
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On 2005-11-08 06:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-08 04:12:00, Anonymous wrote:


"why are you holding on to this one bad experience? can you not see that the people you hate the most are still controlling you? by you walking around with bitterness and hate still in your heart, you have givin your power up to them. take back your power! i was in the homes, i do know what we all went through. i choose not to whine and woller in self pity. can you see how mind controlled you still are? it is amazing to me how those people still control you today.my message to you is get over it and move on in life. try to forgive your parents for sending you to the funny farm. you must hate your parents worse because they gave you to the wackos.why hate on the wackos, your parents knew more than you did, and they left you there. place the blame where it needs to be placed.  

i do have my reasons for not letting go there are things that are troubling me. its not all about me, i remember now so much, of things that were done to others. this isnt something i have held on to for years. im just now remembering alot. laws were broken. and i dont mean by them putting us in lock up. or the licks. okay sure it was bad and it hurt. there is so much more and i will not decribe to you what i did witness. not right now anyway. i do have a life. i have been married for 14 years and i have 3 children. i do not carry this around with me all day. as far as my mother i do not hate her, honestly she never wanted me and i have accepted that years ago. how am i supose to let go of the things i witnesed. do i just pretend it didnt happen?"



HUG O'WAR

I will not play at tug o' war.
I'd rather play at hug o' war,
Where everyone hugs
Instead of tugs,
Where everyone giggles
And rolls on the rug,
Where everyone kisses,
And everyone grins,
And everyone cuddles,
And everyone wins.

By: Shel Silverstein


No school at all is better than a bad school.  Nothing else in the child's environment is capable of such systematic destruction.
--George Dennison

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Saber Tooth on November 08, 2005, 10:42:00 AM
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On 2005-11-08 07:30:00, Saber Tooth wrote:

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On 2005-11-08 06:20:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-11-08 04:12:00, Anonymous wrote:



"why are you holding on to this one bad experience? can you not see that the people you hate the most are still controlling you? by you walking around with bitterness and hate still in your heart, you have givin your power up to them. take back your power! i was in the homes, i do know what we all went through. i choose not to whine and woller in self pity. can you see how mind controlled you still are? it is amazing to me how those people still control you today.my message to you is get over it and move on in life. try to forgive your parents for sending you to the funny farm. you must hate your parents worse because they gave you to the wackos.why hate on the wackos, your parents knew more than you did, and they left you there. place the blame where it needs to be placed.  


i do have my reasons for not letting go there are things that are troubling me. its not all about me, i remember now so much, of things that were done to others. this isnt something i have held on to for years. im just now remembering alot. laws were broken. and i dont mean by them putting us in lock up. or the licks. okay sure it was bad and it hurt. there is so much more and i will not decribe to you what i did witness. not right now anyway. i do have a life. i have been married for 14 years and i have 3 children. i do not carry this around with me all day. as far as my mother i do not hate her, honestly she never wanted me and i have accepted that years ago. how am i supose to let go of the things i witnesed. do i just pretend it didnt happen?"






HUG O'WAR



I will not play at tug o' war.

I'd rather play at hug o' war,

Where everyone hugs

Instead of tugs,

Where everyone giggles

And rolls on the rug,

Where everyone kisses,

And everyone grins,

And everyone cuddles,

And everyone wins.



By: Shel Silverstein





No school at all is better than a bad school.  Nothing else in the child's environment is capable of such systematic destruction.
--George Dennison

"


Take it from your Hands and put it in Gods Hands
He is your Witness he saw it to. So you are not alone- and he won't pretend it never happen. Let God be God He has a place for these things other than your heart- Then You can be You.

Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? ... If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
-- Patrick Henry

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
God said" Behold I make all things New"
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2005, 11:01:00 AM
i saw things too. i pray for those that were tormented in there. give it to god.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Saber Tooth on November 08, 2005, 11:01:00 AM
The Old Frog

Two small boys on opposite banks, starring at one another.
If not for the pond between the two, they could be mistaken for brothers.
Two little boys, with fresh young faces but old hatreds fill their eyes.
Glaring across at one another, with anger and despise.
"Why do you both feel this way?" croaks the old frog from his lily pad.
"What have you done to one another?" uncertain why they're mad.
"My father said, this is our way, that his side did us wrong."
"Well my uncle has said, your sides to blame." shouts a reply from across the pond.
The old frog then looks at both of the boys and questions with dismay.
"How can these brothers someday soar together, if they're chained down by yesterday?"

by W.A.S.
Used with Permission

A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special

--Nelson Mandela

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2005, 12:51:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 20:17:00, freebird wrote:

"looking for my friends i was in rebekah in 83 85 does anyone know shawna thompson, or carol kay.

why do you people who call us cry babies just go away

1. why are you even on this website?

2. why does any of this matter to you?

3. why do you even give a shit how we feel?

4.why do you feel like making fun of us?

  instead of calling us freaks why dont you just go away? why do you keep replying?

what business is it of yours, why we want to talk to each other, and share our time in the homes.

why dont you just answer these ? honestly without having a damn heartattack.

 do u even know me? no you dont.

do you know what they did to me ? no you dont

so why do you just shut your mouth.or start telling us why you are on here.

"


Why are you on this Website?
Because I have a right to be heard to.
Why dose this matter to you?
For the same reason it matters to you.
Why do you even give a shit how we feel?
Why don't you give a shit how we feel when you
continue to shove the past down out throats?
And choke us half to death with their control.
You wag it around like an old blanky when all we want is to take it out of your hands and throw the damn thing away. It is hard to get someone to throw something away that has a grip from hell on it.
Why are you making fun of us?
We could have fun with you if you would give a little more of yourself and a little less of your hatered. It is hard to relate to someone who is always stepping on their bottem lip and whimpering 24-7. Act like a child get treated like a child.
In stead of calling us freaks why don't you just go away? Why do you keep replying.
Because you are acting like freaks!
A Freak is: A highly unusual or unlikely occurrence, often brought about by a unique or very rare combination of circumtances. Overemotional: to become, or to make somebody, very nervous,upset,or angry.
You are not the only one this has happened to.
Ask yourself this, Are you unique or rare? Because you are acting like you are and it is insulting to us. Might it be insensitive to be treating us like we have not been there also?
That if we are not still feeling sorry for ourselfs, We do not belong here also? Just because we feel differently you greet us with your hand in our face?
We have the right to reply! We have a right to our feelings as well.
Why don't we just go away? I let the Cameron's answer that one!
We do not have to take being dismissed by you.
What business is it of mine,why you want to talk to each other, and share your times at the homes?
Talk away! Just stop whineing and moaning. It gets annoying. If you where talking, I would be tempted to jump in.
You do not know me either or you would not issue commands. Or? You would know compromise makes friends, Commands make enemys.
NO I don't know what they did to you. I know what they did to me, Why wouldn't I? You keep reminding me!
And No I won't shut up or put up with you telling me to. Have you got your answers now?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2005, 01:54:00 PM
:nworthy: ditto. to your answers.well said whoever
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Saber Tooth on November 08, 2005, 01:54:00 PM
ATTITUDE

Attitude is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than what people do or say. It is more important than appearance, giftedness, or skill.

The remarkable thing is, we have a choice everyday regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day.

We cannot change our past. We can not change the fact that people act in a certain way. We can not change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude.  :wink:

from Strengthening Your Grip
by Charles Swindoll

When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do.
William Blake

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2005, 08:23:00 PM
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On 2005-11-08 09:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-07 20:17:00, freebird wrote:


"looking for my friends i was in rebekah in 83 85 does anyone know shawna thompson, or carol kay.


why do you people who call us cry babies just go away


1. why are you even on this website?


2. why does any of this matter to you?


3. why do you even give a shit how we feel?


4.why do you feel like making fun of us?


  instead of calling us freaks why dont you just go away? why do you keep replying?


what business is it of yours, why we want to talk to each other, and share our time in the homes.


why dont you just answer these ? honestly without having a damn heartattack.


 do u even know me? no you dont.


do you know what they did to me ? no you dont


so why do you just shut your mouth.or start telling us why you are on here.


"




Why are you on this Website?

Because I have a right to be heard to.

Why dose this matter to you?

For the same reason it matters to you.

Why do you even give a shit how we feel?

Why don't you give a shit how we feel when you

continue to shove the past down out throats?

And choke us half to death with their control.

You wag it around like an old blanky when all we want is to take it out of your hands and throw the damn thing away. It is hard to get someone to throw something away that has a grip from hell on it.

Why are you making fun of us?

We could have fun with you if you would give a little more of yourself and a little less of your hatered. It is hard to relate to someone who is always stepping on their bottem lip and whimpering 24-7. Act like a child get treated like a child.

In stead of calling us freaks why don't you just go away? Why do you keep replying.

Because you are acting like freaks!

A Freak is: A highly unusual or unlikely occurrence, often brought about by a unique or very rare combination of circumtances. Overemotional: to become, or to make somebody, very nervous,upset,or angry.

You are not the only one this has happened to.

Ask yourself this, Are you unique or rare? Because you are acting like you are and it is insulting to us. Might it be insensitive to be treating us like we have not been there also?

That if we are not still feeling sorry for ourselfs, We do not belong here also? Just because we feel differently you greet us with your hand in our face?

We have the right to reply! We have a right to our feelings as well.

Why don't we just go away? I let the Cameron's answer that one!

We do not have to take being dismissed by you.

What business is it of mine,why you want to talk to each other, and share your times at the homes?

Talk away! Just stop whineing and moaning. It gets annoying. If you where talking, I would be tempted to jump in.

You do not know me either or you would not issue commands. Or? You would know compromise makes friends, Commands make enemys.

NO I don't know what they did to you. I know what they did to me, Why wouldn't I? You keep reminding me!

And No I won't shut up or put up with you telling me to. Have you got your answers now?

"
ok, so it is free country. you have your opinon and i have mine. why is it that you came on this web site. if you are over it what keeps you on here reading and posting? what is it you want to talk about? all you seem to do is call people names. and insult them for having there own personal feelings. can you in anyway say anything nice about rebekah? if so i would like to know. because i dont remember anything positive. except the friends i had. i would like to know what ever became of them. some of these girls are having a hard time, some are just now remembering what has happened. and there will be other girls and boys because these homes are still opened. the last thing they need is for another person to tell them they are wack-o they do not need to be put down anymore. let them express themselves, it was something none of us could do in rebekah with out fear.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
some of you may be over it but you seem to have lost your compassion and empathy for you fellow people. if you feel we are shoving it in your face and you are choking on it perhaps you would be more comfortable starting your own website for discussing whatever it is you would rather be talking about or is your only intention in here  to belittle others who want to talk about their experiences because you think their freaks and you can yell and feel insulted by their show of pain. you are right you have the right to come in here but what constructive thing is it you want to talk about that does not have to do with our experiences at rebekah or that was so good about that home. i may be a freak but i at least have a heart capable of having caring feelings for others who still have pain from their past. i understand people being over it and going on with their lives but i do not understand why they are wasting their lives telling people to get over it and calling them names and making fun of them. it seems they may have some unsolved issues they are hiding from and they cover it up by coming in here and acting like bullys.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: The Liger on November 09, 2005, 04:09:00 PM
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On 2005-11-08 04:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"why are you holding on to this one bad experience? can you not see that the people you hate the most are still controlling you? by you walking around with bitterness and hate still in your heart, you have givin your power up to them. take back your power! i was in the homes, i do know what we all went through. i choose not to whine and woller in self pity. can you see how mind controlled you still are? it is amazing to me how those people still control you today.my message to you is get over it and move on in life. try to forgive your parents for sending you to the funny farm. you must hate your parents worse because they gave you to the wackos.why hate on the wackos, your parents knew more than you did, and they left you there. place the blame where it needs to be placed.             "


Rephrased:  Take the hate out of your heart for the schools, but put it back in against your parents...?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: The Liger on November 09, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
I bet that a lot of the people insulting others on this forum are either staff, former staff, or former helpers (or whatever they called them at your facility).  Why else would they be so defensive of the schools and aggressive against the former students?  

Or, maybe they have lived their lives thinking that the schools were right, and now their realities are being shaken by all the stories of abuse.  

Think about it, would you really spend time on a forum where you thought everyone was whining and complaining unless you had some sort of personal stake in defending against what they are saying?  Yeah, they have a right to be here, but the fact that they are here says a lot about where they're coming from.

I really think everyone should IGNORE the people who are intent on being as degrading as the staff at the schools and exercise THEIR right to free speech.  Every time someone tells you to stop complaining, complain some more.  Every time someone tells you to get over it, tell another story.  

And don't forget that you cannot reason with someone who refuses to hear you.

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On 2005-11-09 08:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"some of you may be over it but you seem to have lost your compassion and empathy for you fellow people. if you feel we are shoving it in your face and you are choking on it perhaps you would be more comfortable starting your own website for discussing whatever it is you would rather be talking about or is your only intention in here  to belittle others who want to talk about their experiences because you think their freaks and you can yell and feel insulted by their show of pain. you are right you have the right to come in here but what constructive thing is it you want to talk about that does not have to do with our experiences at rebekah or that was so good about that home. i may be a freak but i at least have a heart capable of having caring feelings for others who still have pain from their past. i understand people being over it and going on with their lives but i do not understand why they are wasting their lives telling people to get over it and calling them names and making fun of them. it seems they may have some unsolved issues they are hiding from and they cover it up by coming in here and acting like bullys."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2005, 04:26:00 PM
i personally do not hate either one. i am saying you guys sit back and blame the homes. your parents are the ones that sent you there. i am a parent and i try to keep myself informed. no way in hell i would send my child to a place i literally know know nothing about. who is to hold the ultimate blame? you and my, screwed up    parents that left us in the hands of idiots. as a parent it is your sole responsibility to make sure your child/children are taken care of. i feel like my mother let me completely down in sending me to a place full of religious nuts,considering my mother doesn't believe in religion. did you come from a religious home?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
:wave:

Some of us have got over it as you put it, Some of us are still healing and trying to get over it. We have all had our own cross to carry. I certainly will not deny it has been hard on every one. I am a firm believer that peoples story's should be heard and told. I believe that there is a lot to be learned by them.
We have not lost our compassion or empathy for those who want to tell their story's. I for one resent that you imply that. You in one sentence have dictated to me exactly what I for one am so angry about! Let me Quote it for you!
" what (constructive thing) is it you want to talk about that does not have to do with (our experiences) at Rebekah or (that was so good about that home")You are implying that other people have nothing constructive to say! That our words don't hold any weight or even matter to you! That is one sided to me! If we choose not to come in here in total agreement of what you say and see only your views? let me give you an example of your views:  Another quote from the all mighty grate ones!  "(What's wrong with you? You shouldn't even be on this forum of survivors who come here for support, when you support the roloff cults. You are still brainwashed, and I feel bad for you. You think it was normal a young teen jumped out a second story window. Think about this, maybe JESUS told her to do it to escape)" Hey dose this look like a story to you? Looks like finger pointing and judgeing to me! I am sick to death of when someone wants to tell about something good that happen to them there being called brainwashed and a supporter being accused of still being in a cult!
Then you say quote:"what constructive thing do I have to say that has anything to do with you all's experience?" You are not saying every ones experience you are saying just yours and if it it not about what happen to you then it just ain't so important! Who died and left you in charge oh mighty One!
And No I don't like it shoved in my face That if I talk about my own experience or others do we are called names and bad people Because we choose to view our life's differently than yours!
You are not here to listen to anything that you are not in agreement with! You are not willing to take a step back and understand and respect the fact that our voice counts too! But you can't hear ours because you are to busy Whining out your own!
Why don't you go start your own website! And by all means name it after the Cameron's! So everyone knows up front that unless you want to have them served up to you for breakfast lunch and super, then do not enter! I was also under the Cameron's and I hated them too! But I choose not to be consumed by it and let them have power over my life or my every waking thought! If you do fine by me, Just stop judging me because I choose not to. And no I don't like belittling anyone but I will not stand for being labeled a supporter or being accused of being brainwashed!
I do feel for their pain but they do not feel for my progress,quite frankly that pisses me off to be knocked down for moving on with my life!
And for the record they are freaks if they think they are the only ones that have been hurt by the homes. and continue to condemn others for not being or thinking just like them. I am not insulted by their show of pain I am insulted by their show of ass and lack of respect for people who where there long before them and longer than them. They do not know everything! For the record there where some good things in the home Called friends! Which taught me a grate deal about respect and support. These people don't want support they won't pity and bitterness. If you have a heart and are capable of caring for others feelings then way can't you be happy for those who have worked hard to get past their pain! Why can't you be capable of caring for those who decided to stop being over shadowed and over powered By all those demons from the past? And I have been there and cryed myself to sleep many a night! But I will be damned if you or anyone else is going to make me feel bad because I made it past the finish line, because I am proud of who I am and choose not to go back where I have been. If we out witted you and outlasted you then stop being such soar losers!
Pick your self up by the bootstraps move on and stop expecting ever one to feel sorry for you!
Everyone knows that a drowning man can pull you down with him. I will throw out a life raft but if you choose not to grab it and save yourself then it is out of my hands.
And yes there has been some name calling but it has come from both sides. The tit for tat shit
is just that and it is childish Its he said she said. It takes 2 to tango. If you can't take it then don't dish it out. Nobody has bullied anybody! It is just more name calling. Now if you don't mind I would like to get on with my life and you can get on crying over spilled milk and feeling sorry for yourself.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2005, 06:35:00 PM
ck. Yourself
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2005, 07:50:00 PM
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On 2005-11-07 19:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"thk u for ur letter defending the people that "cry like babies" about what happened to us. I was also doing research on this (it has taken me 4 years since I left in 2001 to even face it) when I came across her letter. It really hurt my feelings. It's confusing enough when my own family can't acknowledge my pain and hurt and then for someone to say things like that it makes me question my own pain. But after reading your letter it confirmed what I have felt for a long time and thk u for that. God bless you! I love your heart. :tup: " it has taken me 20 years to face it and it is hard. good luck to you. what home were you in. were you in florida or texas.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2005, 09:32:00 PM
Can we agree to disagree? :???:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2005, 09:42:00 PM
Listen

When I ask you to listen to me and you start giving me advice, you have not done what I asked.

When I ask you to listen to me and you begin to tell me that I shouldn't feel that way, you are trampling on my feelings.

When I ask you to listen to me and you feel you have to do something to solve my problem, you have failed me, strange as that may seem.

Listen! All that I asked was that you listen--not talk or do--just hear me.

Advice is cheep. Thirty-five cents will get you both Dear Abby and Billy Graham in the same newspaper.

All I can do is do for myself. I am not helpless--maybe discouraged, but not helpless.

When you do something for me that I can and need to do for myself, you contribute to my fear and inadequacy.

So, please listen and just hear me. If you want to talk, wait a minute for your turn--and I'll listen to you.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2005, 02:20:00 PM
Who is this?  My name is Sharon Gange.  I was there in 87-88.  I was under the Palmers and came in Missouri, then we all went to Louisianna and then Texas.  I am trying to get in touch with anyone that was there.  Sarina Miller from Philadelphia, PA and I are still good friends.  I have kept in touch with Shannon also.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
Anyone who was there in 87-88 please e-mail me at [email protected]  I would love to hear from you.  I am really shocked at the things I'm reading on this website.  It was not my experience at all, but then again, I was under the Palmers not the Camerons.  I didn't know the Camerons at all and for that it looks like I got lucky.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2005, 02:53:00 PM
There were 2 Palmers.  I remember because When Bro. and Mrs. (Kaye) Palmer went on vacation, somewhere between Sept. 87 to May of 88 (when I was there)there was another couple young at that time who came and I believe their last name was also Palmer.  They were of no relation and he was a bit over the edge.  I told Mrs. Palmer how he was when she came back and she was mad.  I know for a fact Bro. and Mrs. Kaye Palmer only had daughters, one, Cheryl who was killed in a plance crash.  I spoke with Mrs. Palmer even after I graduated the program in 88 and kept in touch with her up until the mid 90s.  I can't remember but either her or Bro. Palmer had serious health issues and may have even passed by now.  They were going to retire.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
There are 2 Palmers I am aware of that are men.  1. was Brother Raymond Palmer who was married to Kaye Palmer and ran the home in Missouri, then when it moved to Louisianna and then back to TX.  They did not approve of how the Camerons ran their end and separated to a place called Happiness Hill Home for Girls in Mississippi.  They were beautiful people.  They did have daughters, 1, Cheryl who died in a plane crash.  There was no relation of Raymond Palmer to Mike Palmer.  I cannot say that enough.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2005, 03:21:00 PM
If you have been to the Happiness Hill in MS please e-mail me.  I need to know what is going on there.  I am having trouble with my daughter and don't know what to do.  I did think of sending her there.  I went to the Rebekah homes but I wasn't with the Camerons.  I was with the Palmers who were very kind.  I did not have a bad experience and it really helped me but I don't want to send my daughters to the wolves if it is different there.  Please let me know.

[email protected]  Thanks.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2005, 07:02:00 AM
does anyone remember mrs.cameron's singing voice? opera singer in the making,  she was.a-a-a-a-m-m-m-e-e-e-e-e-n-n-n-n-n.i think her voice was on crack.lol
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 03:42:00 PM
Funny, about Ms. Camron's voice.  :grin:  I met them, but the Weatherford's were in charge of the "home" when I was there. Whew! a l-o-n-g time ago, and it has taken this long to REALLY get over the feeling I am some horrible sinful being who is damned to hell.

I know it is difficult for anyone who has put up with abuse, brain washing, and coercion to find their own core and beliefs. Lots of pain to work through first, I guess.

But in the end the extreme teachings forced me to discover what I beleive to be true. And it is something each person must find for themselves.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 05:19:00 PM
Same anonymous poster as above.

Just want to say I'll keep my identy to myslef for now. there are some people here who I just don't want to get to know.

This topic has really stirred up a lot of feelings. I agree...if you want to talk about how wonderful the Roloff experience was this is not the forum for you. Go preach somewhere else; WE HAVE HAD OUR FILL.

If you want to try to convince us it was wonderful, keep on prayin' and forgettin to inhale 'cause your brain is obviously seriously oxygen deprived. Some people carry scars from the homes and we have every right to discuss it without being ridiculed.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
god, can someone simply not post a memory without someone getting on high horse and telling someone if they had a good experience they are not welcome to share a funny story? i don't believe you are the boss of this forum. it is open for those with  a good experience or a bad one.if you don't like what someone says, don't respond.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 05:46:00 PM
I believe the people who have scars have the right to express it. But I believe that the girls that perfer to speak of a memory should have the right to speak of it to. Why can't people just talk about thier experance with out name calling! Why can't we just respect each others experance. We are all hating each other over the homes, When we should be supporting and loving each other.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
Whew! Did not mean to start an arguement. If you want to be supportive and loving, fine. I dont mean to be name-calling here. Share good stories. I think we all can remember things that happened that were NOT bad; infact I find myself chuckling at some of the memories from time to time.

It is just that we were constrained in such a legalistic system! For some, (depending on each persons experience and what kind of home they had to go back to) caused deep religious wounds.

I have to say, I have experienced a lot more love and joy OUTSIDE the church than in it, and I hate that. It should not be that way. For me, it was very difficult to find myslef after that experience because at the stage of development where 'normal' people find thier own identity I had to defer to others. It took many years and an abusive marriage to figure myself out.

Do I blame Roloff's home for that? Partly. I blame the family that put me there as much tho. I made decissions based on what I knew, and that programming is all I had. I was there 3 years without a single letter from the family that dumped me. Unfortunately I had no loving home to return to where my self-esteem could be bolstered.

Some people went back to loving homes, and were allowed to learn to stand up for themselves. Others learned to be doormats. That is what the early posts address.

I left the home a very confused young woman who did not know how to be assertive or recognize abusers who used the name of Christianity. And I was taught to STAY in a "Christian" marriage no matter what the 'husband' did. I no longer think that is what is expected of us.

Anyone who was at any of the homes knows it was drilled into us we were sinful undeserving slugs who needed God. If you completely agree with Roloff's teachings, fine. I personally find them to be a very narrow view of spirituality. If you disagree with me, fine.

But, in the name of love, addressing the hurts should be safe no matter which side you are on. And please keep in mind people who are expressing hurts may tend to be a bit abrasive, so don't take it too personal.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
It wasn't so much his teachings as much as it was the teacher's
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2005, 07:19:00 PM
I?m not sure who you mean as the teacher. If you mean Bro. Roloff, I actually knew him quite well. I met Mrs. Roloff several times too. I also knew the girl that jumped out of the second story window and will never forget her in a body cast?.and I knew her identical twin sister who was aslo there at the time.

I remember Roloff as a very intense, driven person. There is no doubt in my mind he MEANT to do God?s will. I believe he intended to show God?s love to the children in his homes. He MEANT to provide a place for people were in need. I never saw him hit anyone although he surely preached ?spare the rod? to the extreme, and I saw him impose some severe punishments. Still, a side of him was very gentle, loving and kind.

That said, he was a human being; not a saint. He made some pretty human mistakes. For one, he believed he could fly into thunderstorms and be miraculously protected. (Guess he forgot about Jesus? example when the devil tempted him to jump off a cliff to show who he was). I don?t mean that in a smug way. It is sad he died. But he tempted God many times.

He also allowed people he put in charge too much control and too little supervision. His desire to keep the ?state? or the ?world? out of his homes was huge. In many peoples opinion, he was an extremist bent on doing things his way with disregard for reason. He believed he was one of the few people who preached the ?real? gospel. Many of his followers saw him as a prophet (and the liked that). He set himself above ?ordinary? people including the pastors whose churches supported him. His thinking was very black and white. He would come up with ?convictions? God gave him in prayer and impose them on everyone else. One example is the ?fasting? and crazy food restrictions at the homes. He meant for everyone to eat health foods to the extreme, which isn?t evil in itself, but it just ?aint right to try to make everyone into carbon copies of yourself, if you get what I mean. After his death things got ?weird?. (I feel so bad for the people who were there after me). It took a long time to connect the dots, but hey. That is a cult leader. Read the biographies of others cult leaders and you will see the similarities.

Anyone who is driven to lead a bunch of people in the name of God, and claims to be the ?true? voice of God, comes up with a bunch of odd rules and discounts others is a cult leader. There are lots of cases where once the original leader is gone, others take up the banner and things get out of control because they are following a human. (I?m going to restrain from citing the dozens of examples I can think of, anyone can look up cults). Roloff?s homes unfortunately are not unique in that aspect.

So you are free to think I?m horrible for speaking the truth, but the truth just is what it is. I don?t have to defend it. Truth defends itself. You are free to ?follow? someone else?s teachings. Many find security in that. Or you can find your own beliefs the same way Roloff did. Ironically what I really learned from him (eventually) was to form my own beliefs and NOT impose them on others.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
very well stated anon.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2005, 12:43:00 PM
I was in HH in Mississippi, with Ray and Kay Palmer.  I don't think there's anything lovely about them.  I hate them.  They tortured me and several others.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Mishell on November 20, 2005, 01:13:00 PM
You know I was in the home in the early 70's as long as 4 year's saw a lot of Lester Roloff. My first trip to the home was in one of his first small planes. Scared me half to death you see i think it was the worse thunder storm ever. I think his son in law was flying it. Little unsure on that, Memories fade after 30 years. My mom was with us and I tell you my head hit the ceiling of that plane and shook me up so bad I was praying before I got there. In fact the ride was so ruff that I swore I would never do anything wrong ever in my life, If God would Let me kiss the ground. When we finally pulled up at the home, which I was expecting to be a ranch with horses and all kinds of fun things to do. There set one dorm and a farm surrounding it. It was late and there stood Pa Pa and Granny. I was sent by the state not because I was arrested but because I had been raped and molested by my older brother since I was 8. So I kept running away and that is how I got raped. My parents fought all the time my dad was a drunk and beat my mom from the time I was born. I remember as young as 3 jumping on my dads back to try to get him off my mom. He would always get his shot gun and threaten my mom with it and threaten to kill himself. It was not uncommon to see my dad sitting on the edge of the bed crying Holding his shot gun in his mouth. I was sure that one day he would do it. Things got so bad that I got on drugs and started cutting my legs and arms. It became my way of copying. My grandmother when I was at a very young age use to tie me in a closet for hours and I thought I was going to explode. I was in braces until the age of 7 so I was never picked up and held. All I could think is why was I here and why would God let this happen to a little girl? I felt very betrayed by God. All that I could think of and even planed my own funeral at the age of 7 was that I did not belong here and I wanted to die. I think when I got on that plane that night It was the first time I ever wanted to live. So the state ordered me there to get me away from my family.
I did not feel threatened by the home when we pulled up because there where no fences Open space and Yes horses and a farm. Pa Pa hugged me when I came in For A good few minutes. I did not know him, But to be actuality held by this stranger how did not know me, I cried. Just broke down and he held me quietly while I did.
The first words that came out of that mans mouth was We love you and you are safe now. Granny said come on lets get a bath and get those clothes off, and get you a room. So then  my introduction to the new rules.And my new roommate that would soon become my shadow for a while. I was hungry so they took me to the kitchen and gave me fruit and cottage cheese.
The next day was confusing waking up to a bell and broadcast and my first new bible. In the weeks to come I learned about keeping my room clean what going to church was, Plucking chickens, And memorizing scriptures was the reward for getting to go on tours and with it the promise of getting to travel and to meet people. Which I thought hey? Not so bad? I was 13 and curious about the world.
And then came my introduction to Lester Roloff.
Skinny man with big gray eyebrows Never seen without that bible in hand grabbed me up and said come on we are going to the Vally which was I think in or near Mexico. It was an old folks home with the kindest people I ever meet and fresh squeezed tangerine juice where we would spend most of the day picking oranges and grapefruit and tangerines. And man could those old people cook. We had a spread and roloff at the end of the table with all his fruits and veggies. We flew down there and was a pretty smooth ride however I was a tad gun shy. But on the way back, Its started to storm again and off we went that plane shaking and bumping. I knew we would be struck by lightning. And started to cry this time. Well Lester Roloff smiled from ear to ear and I thought, what is he smiling about? Is this man crazy? And then came a baller out of his mouth and he started singing living by faith. Raised that hand and stated to lead us singing. And behind this slender faced man with Rosy cheeks and blue eyes with out a care in the world was the windshield of the plane And it was black and rain pounding being lite up on in off by the lighting. Then we quoted psalms 121 and palms 119 and following that his stories of faith in God. Again I found myself praying God If you Just get me safely to the ground I will change my life. Plus since he was praying I did not think a little bargaining with God would hurt.
There was one more time I rode in his plane and  I begged him to take me to the light-house. I wanted to go fishing! By George I was determined I bugged him every service till he took me.
Back on the plane again. And I'll be damned if it did not rain again. The mans faith was unshakable on that plane. But we made it there with all our lessons on faith. And trust me when I say faith got us there. I thought about it a thousand times I guess how daring he was. Then one day he told us the story about testing God.
And I thought it even more then he is testing God. That he was ignoring Gods on warnings and testing him. I said it a bunch after that one time he won't come back and low and behold on my wedding day he died in that plane crash And boy did I get a chill. Because inside I expected it somehow. I truly believed with my heart that it would happen. But to who I wondered. I know Elane was on there and she had to be the meanest woman I ever met. Rotten to the core I tell ya.
She was fat and red headed and mean. She was across from my room so if you said boo she got ya. When I go to heaven if she is there I will just shit my paints if that is possible, I'll pretty much figure that if GOD can forgive her he can forgive anyone of anything. You know Roloff use to race cars before he was a preacher and he told God that if he would pull him through he would be a preacher and never race again. He might of broken that promess in the sky.

When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.
-- Gary Lloyd

[ This Message was edited by: Mishell on 2005-11-20 10:22 ]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Mishell on November 20, 2005, 03:27:00 PM
In response: What I meant by teacher is people like the Cameron's who twisted his teaching's and used them to punish and be-little and torture, girls. The teachers that took Gods words and twisted them and and used them to punish girls and make them feel bad about themselves. Then they would hide behind Lester Roloff and proclaim that as his teachings. A lot of girls walked away from that home thinking that it was Lester Roloff that was doing those things when In fact he would not of done hardly any of those things he wasn't that kind of man. I do not think he had any ideal of what those people where doing and after he died he sure couldn't of stopped it. He was a man and yes human with faults, He was a preacher that started out with a dream to help old people, pregnant girls, boys,
People in jail. His teachings where not that un-common in our day. There where preachers that preached fire and brimstone. He wasn't raised with t.v. and rock and roll, I did not even have t.v. as a child we played outside and made our on fun. I for one was not allowed to hear rock and roll, I had to sneak to hear it. Think about where he came from. His Dad was an old southern preacher that he did not even like. Not sure but rumored his brother was a draft dodger.  Some in their town painted their porch yellow because of it. His sister died I think in waco.He made his rules according to how he grew up and what he was taught. He was brought up during the war. When the times changed he did not. He stuck with the old testament when it came to his rules. He believed the old ways was the right way. And the old ways before this country started changing where pretty tough. A girl did not dare get pregnant back then. A lot of woman died and so their children because of back door abortion's.
Rock and roll was a sin they fought to keep it out of homes and the public. T.V. use to be considered of the devil, Blacks had no rights.
Communism was a big deal then. And anything could be Communism. And everything was blamed on Communism even TV and rock and roll nude picture porn. Name it? It was OK for men to hit their wife's and keep them in line. Until my mom was 18 she could not even wear makeup.And then Only lipstick. Family's use to be God fearing family's.
They where hard on their kids. I could not even pee where a black person peed. Nobody wanted progress and feared it and was taught it from the bible. The thing about the bible is you can take 1 scripture and get 50 meanings from it.
What I am saying is look back at the way things use to be. He went by what he was taught. And truly believed that what he was taught would some how save the world. All he knew was things did not use to be that way. He wanted to put them back. Today what we consider a cult. Was their teachings. Your parents didn't give a shit less if you wanted to read the bible or go to church back then. Most of them where not given choices. They believed the way their parents told them to and in a lot of countries and religions it is still that way. Every one is trying to make him that wacko in Waco and he was not. If he was guilty for anything it was for not talking to the kids or listening to them. He was guilty for not watching the workers more closely and his homes. He truly believed that these where good people he had hired. He was guilty for being old school. Not Cult schooled. If that is the case then that would make most of our grandparents and their parents cult leaders.
If anyone made that place a cult it was the teachers the people who run the homes because they knew better. They used it for power and money and control, They used it to hurt and destroy life's and tare apart family's. It spun out of control. I knew Lester Roloff to and he would of went to hell and back for these people he loved. He was gentle but Stern. He was pulled from all sides over these homes But only one man. He was trusting and loving. And he cried real tears and felt real heartbreak for a child that had been abused or broken. He just could not save the world. I agree with most of what the poster before me posted and I thank you for pointing it out. I to feel not just bad but horrible for the kids after me also. And I wish that me saying I sorry would help. It wasn't right what happen to them. I tell you this it haunts me to. Because it wasn't how it started.
And yes he made mistakes big mistakes that all of us have learned by. And so will our kids because we will have taught them. Do I think he is happy in heaven? No,I think he weeps for these people who have been wronged and regrets that he was more self willed than God willed.
He has a whole eternity to weep and face himself and his mistakes. That he can not undo. And my heart weeps for him because I would not want to be in his shoes. It did not start out a cult. But ended up one.And for the people who still endure that pain I would take it all away if I could. And I know I am sorry that it did is a drop in the bucket, But for what is worth although small I will be the first to stand up and say it, and wish that only others would and say I am sorry, Can I help?

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2005, 05:47:00 PM
Wow. Does that ever bring back memories! I just recently found this site. I guess I wanted to forget about the ?home?. My recent divorce has driven me to look at stuff though. When Roloff died I guess I assumed it would all end. I?m horrified to hear the truth. But sadly, the posts are all believable. Everyone describes the same kind of craziness.

I remember visiting Hattiesburg and the Palmers. Didn?t see much, but couldn?t wait to leave. Remember it feeling yucky there. Sorry, anon. I bet it was horrible.

As far as how ol? Lester grew up, I understand you Mishell, but I don?t think that gives him any right to force his extreme beliefs on others. That is like pardoning a child molester because they were molested. It does not fly with me. I am aware of how he grew up, his dad, his sister, etc, but that does not give him any right to impose it on others. And he DID impose his beliefs on others. Most people who were hurt as kids refuse to hurt others because they know how it felt. Anyone who needs to control others has ?issues? and needs to get in touch with themselves. And a lot of Lester?s teaching DID make us feel bad about ourselves. It was just magnified by the leaders after him. Nope, asking me to ?understand? what he did in the light of his childhood does not work. Some part of him KNEW he was hurting others. He was a very complex person. Part of him was extremely loving and warm but he also seemed to sometimes have a ?the ends justifies the means? attitude. It is like the sermon about the shepherd who breaks his lamb?s leg because it is willful. I would never follow a god like that. If a parent treated their kid that way they would go to jail?even if their own parents had done it to them!

Roloff was not an angel or a devil, but he made his share of mistakes. He had LOTS of money (which he did not embezzle, he managed it honestly), airplanes, a fleet of busses, the homes, and most important to him, fame and prestige. Don?t forget, he was a full grown adult and bears the responsibility for his actions, not just his intentions.

The cult was started by Lester Roloff, because he was a dynamic preacher who taught others to ?be ye followers of me (as in ME, Lester Roloff) even as I am of Christ?. He overstepped the bounds. He did some really good things and certainly saved many lives, but he could have done it so much better if he had been less egocentric. Later, the people who decided to be his followers carried on the teachings Lester himself laid down. They listen to his tapes and read his books as if they are holy scriptures! The words of Lester Roloff.

I don?t know what he is doing in heaven or whatever. I personally think God is awfully big and eternity is a very long time. All of us make our mistakes and it does not make sense that we pay for them forever. (Except maybe we can see the ?ripples? that we set in motion in our lives and how it affected others who influenced others and so on.)  I guess I?m saying each person must find their own beliefs and make peace with themselves and God (or whatever they perceive god to be). Live is an ever-changing dynamic force and all we can do is the best with each day we have. We can only be grateful for the things that allowed us to grow and be strong, and learn better from the things that were hurtful.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
so it sounds to me as if you really do love abd adore Lester Roloff the man. he was a woman degrader, and believed that most ills in this world all go back to blame Eve.
in my roloff bible i have marked some notes from his sermon, on Psalm 1
he gave us an acronym to note down in our bibles in this one sermon on Psalm 1
it was:
Eve
Ruined
Adam

his own teachings were twisted and he was a definite cult leader.
remember back then , the ERA?

he believed this way, he was not one to see females any other way than to be used and blamed for his own sick sexual issues.


:=0









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On 2005-11-20 12:27:00, Mishell wrote:

"

In response: What I meant by teacher is people like the Cameron's who twisted his teaching's and used them to punish and be-little and torture, girls. The teachers that took Gods words and twisted them and and used them to punish girls and make them feel bad about themselves. Then they would hide behind Lester Roloff and proclaim that as his teachings. A lot of girls walked away from that home thinking that it was Lester Roloff that was doing those things when In fact he would not of done hardly any of those things he wasn't that kind of man. I do not think he had any ideal of what those people where doing and after he died he sure couldn't of stopped it. He was a man and yes human with faults, He was a preacher that started out with a dream to help old people, pregnant girls, boys,

People in jail. His teachings where not that un-common in our day. There where preachers that preached fire and brimstone. He wasn't raised with t.v. and rock and roll, I did not even have t.v. as a child we played outside and made our on fun. I for one was not allowed to hear rock and roll, I had to sneak to hear it. Think about where he came from. His Dad was an old southern preacher that he did not even like. Not sure but rumored his brother was a draft dodger.  Some in their town painted their porch yellow because of it. His sister died I think in waco.He made his rules according to how he grew up and what he was taught. He was brought up during the war. When the times changed he did not. He stuck with the old testament when it came to his rules. He believed the old ways was the right way. And the old ways before this country started changing where pretty tough. A girl did not dare get pregnant back then. A lot of woman died and so their children because of back door abortion's.

Rock and roll was a sin they fought to keep it out of homes and the public. T.V. use to be considered of the devil, Blacks had no rights.

Communism was a big deal then. And anything could be Communism. And everything was blamed on Communism even TV and rock and roll nude picture porn. Name it? It was OK for men to hit their wife's and keep them in line. Until my mom was 18 she could not even wear makeup.And then Only lipstick. Family's use to be God fearing family's.

They where hard on their kids. I could not even pee where a black person peed. Nobody wanted progress and feared it and was taught it from the bible. The thing about the bible is you can take 1 scripture and get 50 meanings from it.

What I am saying is look back at the way things use to be. He went by what he was taught. And truly believed that what he was taught would some how save the world. All he knew was things did not use to be that way. He wanted to put them back. Today what we consider a cult. Was their teachings. Your parents didn't give a shit less if you wanted to read the bible or go to church back then. Most of them where not given choices. They believed the way their parents told them to and in a lot of countries and religions it is still that way. Every one is trying to make him that wacko in Waco and he was not. If he was guilty for anything it was for not talking to the kids or listening to them. He was guilty for not watching the workers more closely and his homes. He truly believed that these where good people he had hired. He was guilty for being old school. Not Cult schooled. If that is the case then that would make most of our grandparents and their parents cult leaders.

If anyone made that place a cult it was the teachers the people who run the homes because they knew better. They used it for power and money and control, They used it to hurt and destroy life's and tare apart family's. It spun out of control. I knew Lester Roloff to and he would of went to hell and back for these people he loved. He was gentle but Stern. He was pulled from all sides over these homes But only one man. He was trusting and loving. And he cried real tears and felt real heartbreak for a child that had been abused or broken. He just could not save the world. I agree with most of what the poster before me posted and I thank you for pointing it out. I to feel not just bad but horrible for the kids after me also. And I wish that me saying I sorry would help. It wasn't right what happen to them. I tell you this it haunts me to. Because it wasn't how it started.

And yes he made mistakes big mistakes that all of us have learned by. And so will our kids because we will have taught them. Do I think he is happy in heaven? No,I think he weeps for these people who have been wronged and regrets that he was more self willed than God willed.

He has a whole eternity to weep and face himself and his mistakes. That he can not undo. And my heart weeps for him because I would not want to be in his shoes. It did not start out a cult. But ended up one.And for the people who still endure that pain I would take it all away if I could. And I know I am sorry that it did is a drop in the bucket, But for what is worth although small I will be the first to stand up and say it, and wish that only others would and say I am sorry, Can I help?

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie

"
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Mishell on November 20, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
If I came across that what he did was right I did not mean to so sorry. What I was trying to say is that I do not believe that Lester roloff ever intended to start a cult. Was it force fed yes I will admit that it was and it was wrong. I believe that he believed in his heart that he was doing good. And I know that he believed that because I was also close to him and remember that he was sencier in his beliefs. I truly believe that he thought he was doing the right thing. For some it worked. For too many it did not. I was trying to say this is the way he was taught and so believed it to be doing right. I also said that i felt very sad for him because If he has realized all the harm he has caused he would weep for the people he hurt. I said I would not want to be in his shoes and I would not. I do not believe he was a bad man I think in his heart he thought he was right but upon facing him self in the next life has a lot to face. There has been times in my life that I thought that I did good for someone and it turned out all wrong but what he started my gwd there must be how many? I do not excuse him, I just understand his teachings and understand somewhat it did in the name of his teachings. I never meant to imply they where right. Really I mean it. I simply wanted to point out that he came from a long line of people that made some really big mistakes that is all. I know that because I fell victim to them to them also...Please do not missunderstand me. Again I say i am sorry for what happened. I went in to hating what happen to me till I heard their stories. And then I felt bad for what happened and grateful I did not have to go through the same. I won't tell you my story because I would be hurt over it. But trust me I know.

Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home.
--Harold E. Stassen, 1947

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Mishell on November 20, 2005, 09:38:00 PM
Please again I say do not missunderstand me- And what ever he did was not sexual his wife slept in the other room and watch tv wore paints went to the movies and read newspapers name it.  did he teach that woman where shit yeal and i fell victem to that.again all i was trying to say is I was sorry for what he did I did not do it. and thats above poster for starting this fight and making me look like a bad person when all I was trying to do was expalne why I knew he fucked up.
Again I never said it was right. You people just want to fight. God will see you one day too. Above person.

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
This is "recently divorced".

Just wanted to point out that it is obvious we were ALL hurt, and that we obviously did't just "get over it". None of us. We are all survivors of a cult. It damaged our lives and we are all trying to make sense of it now.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 06:36:00 AM
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On 2005-11-20 18:38:00, Mishell wrote:

"Please again I say do not missunderstand me- And what ever he did was not sexual his wife slept in the other room and watch tv wore paints went to the movies and read newspapers name it.  did he teach that woman where shit yeal and i fell victem to that.again all i was trying to say is I was sorry for what he did I did not do it. and thats above poster for starting this fight and making me look like a bad person when all I was trying to do was expalne why I knew he fucked up.

Again I never said it was right. You people just want to fight. God will see you one day too. Above person.

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

"
mishell,you'll see that you can't say anything on here good or bad without getting attacked.fuck all those people,please  continue to post,i find your stories about roloff fasinating.i do believe roloff was a good man .i do not believe that the way all of it turned out was how he intended it.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 10:22:00 AM
> I think sometimes we can seem really bad on the outside but be
good on the inside. We just need someone to give us a place to show
it. Without assuming what we appear to be on the outside is not on
the inside. I think it can be as simple as just believing in
someone. We have enough people in our life's pointing out our bad,
We need our friends to remind us of the good, And if anyone would
see that side of us it would be them to remind us of what we are-
Not, what we are not. Once reminded,I think it becomes easier to get
back to the good inside us.
> And the best place to show it is with a friend, Because they never
mind letting us in.
> That is why I come here because yall never mind letting me in-
> Thanks friends! By Blue
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 10:38:00 AM
A flood threatens a town, forcing everyone to evacuate, But Joe
thinks,
"I'm a devout man, God will save me," and stays
put. As the waters rise, Joe's neighbor comes by and says, "Joe
come with me, we've got to go." Joe declines,
"I'm a devout man, God will save me."

The waters keep rising, Joe scrambles to his second floor. A
firefighter in a rowboat comes by. "Get in the boat or you'll
drown," he says. Joe again declines, saying,
"God will save me."



Finally , the flood waters force Joe to his roof. A police
helicopter comes by and throws down a rope. "Climb up or you'll
drown," the policeman yells. "No, I'm a devout man,
God will save me," Joe replies.

Soon, Joe drowns.
He arrives in heaven and challenges God.
"Why didn't you help me?"

"What do you mean?" God says.

"I did help. I sent a neighbor, a firefighter and a helicopter."


Like Joe, many of us wait for something to rescue us while we miss
opportunities to help ourselves. Whether in our business lives or
personal lives, we hope for a transforming event.
A terrific new customer, a great relationship, a better family life.

But life isn't like that. Like Joe, if we want things to be
different, we have to do something ourselves.
But where to start?
How do we learn to recognize an opportunity when it comes our way?


Make a plan - Form a vision of what you want to achieve, then
develop a plan of how to make that vision a reality, To judge
whether an opportunity
is one to seize or let pass you need to Understand whether it fits
your goals.

Make a commitment - Get used to saying no, Get used to saying yes.
But whatever you do, do it with commitment and conviction. Like Joe,
we have to learn to recognize opportunities and then grab them.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
This is 'recently divorced.'

To eliminate confusion, I claim ownership of the posts that begin with the following;

"Funny, about Ms. Camron's voice."
"Same anonymous poster as above. "
"Whew! Did not mean to start an arguement"
"I?m not sure who you mean as the teacher."
"Wow. Does that ever bring back memories!"

as well as the more recent ones where I will continue to use this 'handle'.

If you want to tell stories and memories, fine. I have certainly don't mean to discourage it. Got plenty myself. If you want to discuss if Roloff MEANT to be a cult leader or not, that is fine too. But keep in mind, the only answer people can give is thier opinion.

After surviving all that stuff, who CARES if someone agrees with you or not? Everyone is free to their own view...we all have our own perspective.

I think I hear anger and hurt at nothing but opinions. Can you be OK enough with your own beliefs and opinions to let others disagree on some points? That is one of the things that came hard for me.

I personally would be glad to hear the stories, but don't want to hurt anybody elses feelings. I am opinionated, but will consider what people say, and I don't get upset if you disagree with me. If I disagree with you it only means I disagree on that point. It is not a big deal.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 10:55:00 AM
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This is laughable OMG!!! Can I even say the word sex in the same sentence with his name. When I looked at him I did not think of sex? He did however hit me. And hard to knock me clean across the room and over the couch. Them veggies sure made him strong. I know that because I don't know that there ant no other man has ever hit me that hard. I never saw him hit anyone else. But I could Piss the devil off if I put my mind to it.  




On 2005-11-20 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"so it sounds to me as if you really do love abd adore Lester Roloff the man. he was a woman degrader, and believed that most ills in this world all go back to blame Eve.

in my roloff bible i have marked some notes from his sermon, on Psalm 1

he gave us an acronym to note down in our bibles in this one sermon on Psalm 1

it was:

Eve

Ruined

Adam



his own teachings were twisted and he was a definite cult leader.

remember back then , the ERA?



he believed this way, he was not one to see females any other way than to be used and blamed for his own sick sexual issues.





:=0












On 2005-11-20 12:27:00, Mishell wrote:


"


In response: What I meant by teacher is people like the Cameron's who twisted his teaching's and used them to punish and be-little and torture, girls. The teachers that took Gods words and twisted them and and used them to punish girls and make them feel bad about themselves. Then they would hide behind Lester Roloff and proclaim that as his teachings. A lot of girls walked away from that home thinking that it was Lester Roloff that was doing those things when In fact he would not of done hardly any of those things he wasn't that kind of man. I do not think he had any ideal of what those people where doing and after he died he sure couldn't of stopped it. He was a man and yes human with faults, He was a preacher that started out with a dream to help old people, pregnant girls, boys,


People in jail. His teachings where not that un-common in our day. There where preachers that preached fire and brimstone. He wasn't raised with t.v. and rock and roll, I did not even have t.v. as a child we played outside and made our on fun. I for one was not allowed to hear rock and roll, I had to sneak to hear it. Think about where he came from. His Dad was an old southern preacher that he did not even like. Not sure but rumored his brother was a draft dodger.  Some in their town painted their porch yellow because of it. His sister died I think in waco.He made his rules according to how he grew up and what he was taught. He was brought up during the war. When the times changed he did not. He stuck with the old testament when it came to his rules. He believed the old ways was the right way. And the old ways before this country started changing where pretty tough. A girl did not dare get pregnant back then. A lot of woman died and so their children because of back door abortion's.


Rock and roll was a sin they fought to keep it out of homes and the public. T.V. use to be considered of the devil, Blacks had no rights.


Communism was a big deal then. And anything could be Communism. And everything was blamed on Communism even TV and rock and roll nude picture porn. Name it? It was OK for men to hit their wife's and keep them in line. Until my mom was 18 she could not even wear makeup.And then Only lipstick. Family's use to be God fearing family's.


They where hard on their kids. I could not even pee where a black person peed. Nobody wanted progress and feared it and was taught it from the bible. The thing about the bible is you can take 1 scripture and get 50 meanings from it.


What I am saying is look back at the way things use to be. He went by what he was taught. And truly believed that what he was taught would some how save the world. All he knew was things did not use to be that way. He wanted to put them back. Today what we consider a cult. Was their teachings. Your parents didn't give a shit less if you wanted to read the bible or go to church back then. Most of them where not given choices. They believed the way their parents told them to and in a lot of countries and religions it is still that way. Every one is trying to make him that wacko in Waco and he was not. If he was guilty for anything it was for not talking to the kids or listening to them. He was guilty for not watching the workers more closely and his homes. He truly believed that these where good people he had hired. He was guilty for being old school. Not Cult schooled. If that is the case then that would make most of our grandparents and their parents cult leaders.


If anyone made that place a cult it was the teachers the people who run the homes because they knew better. They used it for power and money and control, They used it to hurt and destroy life's and tare apart family's. It spun out of control. I knew Lester Roloff to and he would of went to hell and back for these people he loved. He was gentle but Stern. He was pulled from all sides over these homes But only one man. He was trusting and loving. And he cried real tears and felt real heartbreak for a child that had been abused or broken. He just could not save the world. I agree with most of what the poster before me posted and I thank you for pointing it out. I to feel not just bad but horrible for the kids after me also. And I wish that me saying I sorry would help. It wasn't right what happen to them. I tell you this it haunts me to. Because it wasn't how it started.


And yes he made mistakes big mistakes that all of us have learned by. And so will our kids because we will have taught them. Do I think he is happy in heaven? No,I think he weeps for these people who have been wronged and regrets that he was more self willed than God willed.


He has a whole eternity to weep and face himself and his mistakes. That he can not undo. And my heart weeps for him because I would not want to be in his shoes. It did not start out a cult. But ended up one.And for the people who still endure that pain I would take it all away if I could. And I know I am sorry that it did is a drop in the bucket, But for what is worth although small I will be the first to stand up and say it, and wish that only others would and say I am sorry, Can I help?


I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 11:12:00 AM
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I do not recall him even standing up to his own wife! She wore her jewelry and makeup to church every time and a lot of it! She stayed on her side of the house and man she ruled the roost. I never saw one mark on her ever. She even had her own catty. Piles of money all over the house. That is what I call abuse. She even got her own side of the house and was fat to boot I think he preached against all those things didn't he?
On 2005-11-21 07:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

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This is laughable OMG!!! Can I even say the word sex in the same sentence with his name. When I looked at him I did not think of sex? He did however hit me. And hard to knock me clean across the room and over the couch. Them veggies sure made him strong. I know that because I don't know that there ant no other man has ever hit me that hard. I never saw him hit anyone else. But I could Piss the devil off if I put my mind to it.  









On 2005-11-20 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:


"so it sounds to me as if you really do love abd adore Lester Roloff the man. he was a woman degrader, and believed that most ills in this world all go back to blame Eve.


in my roloff bible i have marked some notes from his sermon, on Psalm 1


he gave us an acronym to note down in our bibles in this one sermon on Psalm 1


it was:


Eve


Ruined


Adam





his own teachings were twisted and he was a definite cult leader.


remember back then , the ERA?





he believed this way, he was not one to see females any other way than to be used and blamed for his own sick sexual issues.








:=0



















On 2005-11-20 12:27:00, Mishell wrote:



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In response: What I meant by teacher is people like the Cameron's who twisted his teaching's and used them to punish and be-little and torture, girls. The teachers that took Gods words and twisted them and and used them to punish girls and make them feel bad about themselves. Then they would hide behind Lester Roloff and proclaim that as his teachings. A lot of girls walked away from that home thinking that it was Lester Roloff that was doing those things when In fact he would not of done hardly any of those things he wasn't that kind of man. I do not think he had any ideal of what those people where doing and after he died he sure couldn't of stopped it. He was a man and yes human with faults, He was a preacher that started out with a dream to help old people, pregnant girls, boys,



People in jail. His teachings where not that un-common in our day. There where preachers that preached fire and brimstone. He wasn't raised with t.v. and rock and roll, I did not even have t.v. as a child we played outside and made our on fun. I for one was not allowed to hear rock and roll, I had to sneak to hear it. Think about where he came from. His Dad was an old southern preacher that he did not even like. Not sure but rumored his brother was a draft dodger.  Some in their town painted their porch yellow because of it. His sister died I think in waco.He made his rules according to how he grew up and what he was taught. He was brought up during the war. When the times changed he did not. He stuck with the old testament when it came to his rules. He believed the old ways was the right way. And the old ways before this country started changing where pretty tough. A girl did not dare get pregnant back then. A lot of woman died and so their children because of back door abortion's.



Rock and roll was a sin they fought to keep it out of homes and the public. T.V. use to be considered of the devil, Blacks had no rights.



Communism was a big deal then. And anything could be Communism. And everything was blamed on Communism even TV and rock and roll nude picture porn. Name it? It was OK for men to hit their wife's and keep them in line. Until my mom was 18 she could not even wear makeup.And then Only lipstick. Family's use to be God fearing family's.



They where hard on their kids. I could not even pee where a black person peed. Nobody wanted progress and feared it and was taught it from the bible. The thing about the bible is you can take 1 scripture and get 50 meanings from it.



What I am saying is look back at the way things use to be. He went by what he was taught. And truly believed that what he was taught would some how save the world. All he knew was things did not use to be that way. He wanted to put them back. Today what we consider a cult. Was their teachings. Your parents didn't give a shit less if you wanted to read the bible or go to church back then. Most of them where not given choices. They believed the way their parents told them to and in a lot of countries and religions it is still that way. Every one is trying to make him that wacko in Waco and he was not. If he was guilty for anything it was for not talking to the kids or listening to them. He was guilty for not watching the workers more closely and his homes. He truly believed that these where good people he had hired. He was guilty for being old school. Not Cult schooled. If that is the case then that would make most of our grandparents and their parents cult leaders.



If anyone made that place a cult it was the teachers the people who run the homes because they knew better. They used it for power and money and control, They used it to hurt and destroy life's and tare apart family's. It spun out of control. I knew Lester Roloff to and he would of went to hell and back for these people he loved. He was gentle but Stern. He was pulled from all sides over these homes But only one man. He was trusting and loving. And he cried real tears and felt real heartbreak for a child that had been abused or broken. He just could not save the world. I agree with most of what the poster before me posted and I thank you for pointing it out. I to feel not just bad but horrible for the kids after me also. And I wish that me saying I sorry would help. It wasn't right what happen to them. I tell you this it haunts me to. Because it wasn't how it started.



And yes he made mistakes big mistakes that all of us have learned by. And so will our kids because we will have taught them. Do I think he is happy in heaven? No,I think he weeps for these people who have been wronged and regrets that he was more self willed than God willed.



He has a whole eternity to weep and face himself and his mistakes. That he can not undo. And my heart weeps for him because I would not want to be in his shoes. It did not start out a cult. But ended up one.And for the people who still endure that pain I would take it all away if I could. And I know I am sorry that it did is a drop in the bucket, But for what is worth although small I will be the first to stand up and say it, and wish that only others would and say I am sorry, Can I help?



I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie


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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 12:16:00 PM
Thanks Friend! ::mecry::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2005, 06:11:00 PM
Why would you being glad to hear anyone else story hurt anyone's feelings? And why not tell some of your stories if it doesn't matter what any one else thinks. Are you OK enough with your own beliefs and opinions to tell all your experiences and views? Are you secure enough to  get up on the fornits soap box and let it rip?
Keep in mind it takes a thick skin... I get knocked off my soap box all the time but I get right back on it. Personally, and I am pretty opinionated my self, would prefer if someone is going to back what ever they disagree on with a valid point or story. To disagree to just be disagreeing is arguing to me. But to disagree with a point to why you feel that way, Is having something to say without being critical. There are pages and pages of opinions on here I would like to hear some good valid points of view. I would like to discuss  with you your story on why you believe Roloff meant to be a cult leader or not? At least you would be voicing something
other than your opinion. So speak up! Everyone else dose. And it is OK to be mad about what happened. We all are mad. Say your views just don't impose them. Say they are wrong without saying why is like a hand in my face. You see I am one of those people who don't care what anyone thinks so you understanding that in all I thought I would write you.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 09:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Thanks Friend! ::mecry:: "
Cry Baby
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2005, 01:02:00 AM
ANY ONE WANT TO TALK TURKEY? :smile:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2005, 06:45:00 AM
gobble gobble gobble
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
This is 'divorced'

Of course Roloff never thought "I'm going to start a 'cult'." He thought he was the voice in the winderness preaching the Truth. He thought he was right. He wasn't though. He was extreme. His views were fine for some people and he could have left it at that. But he did not. He imposed his beliefs on captive kids who had no choice in the matter! In his mind he wanted to start a 'movement'. But he will be remembered as a cult leader. Like it or not, believe it or not, he stepped over the line!

In the end, I don't hate him but I do hate some of the twished teaching and hurts that came out of his ministry. And if I feel REALLY bad for the girls who suffered under the Camerons, (and I thought the Weatherfords were bad). (By the way, it seems there are 2 different stories about girls jumping form the second story. I remember it happening under the Weatherfords.) I feel terrible for the kids who were in his homes after his death. I used to think the boys had it better, 'casue Roloff WAS a woman hater. But they had it really hard too. I prefer to tone down what I have to say because it is such an emotional subject.

As far as a cult; Roloff started the ball rolling. And I can tell you a lot of stories because I travelled with him for 2 years! As I am new here, I will not give my name. The only clue; I was in the plane that set down of the freeway outside of Chattanooga. We here going from Cullonen to Chattanooga and lost gas pressure in north Georgia. The state patrol let someone get gas and clearedt he cars so we could take off. What an incredible story! But you all know it really happened. Almost certainly some of you know me and I don't want to be blasted for being ungrateful, etc. The memeories are not all bad...some are very humorous. In the end though, if he had realized others were not so far 'below' him spiritually, things could have been MUCH better.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 01:01:00 AM
:evil: Evil cult is what you where. Finally an older Rebekah girls tells what she was. So if you where that close to him you must have been a bad cult member. Up to your ears in it. It was the older girls that carried out his orders. How many girls did you hurt? And so on and so on.
You people where a cult and you started it.
You destroyed our liefs! How many girls did you issue his orders to? How many girls did you hurt?
You girls did nothing to stop this! You where the beginning to our pain and torture. And it is about time you admitted what you did to us.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 06:38:00 AM
oh hell,the bully is back.ignore this person and keep telling your story.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 10:34:00 AM
Believe me, if I had known what was going to happen in the future, I would have done everything in my power to fight the homes! But I did not know. I just wanted to forget about the ?home? and when Roloff died I though it would all end. I?m horrified to learn the truth.

I remember picking oranges at ?Peaceful Valley?. Yeah, it was bordered by the Rio Grande. They would load us on a bus and take us to pick fruit. It was hot hard work, but then they fed us well.

When I was there, Roloff flew a twin-engine Piper Aztec N188Y was the tail number I believe. When on the radio, He always told the control tower his name was Roloff ?like Roll off the bed.? He was quite a character. He loved to be the center of attention. And oh, yeah! He loved drama when he flew. Myself, I?ve always been a daredevil to the max, and loved it too. Coming from a horribly abusive family, I did not care if I lived or died. (I don?t think I decided I wanted to live until I was over 40.)

That is the rub. If you had a loving foundation you could put the home behind you. But if you didn?t know anything else, it messed up your thinking and ability to make good decisions which caused more pain, etc. It has been very cathartic reading other?s stories?and it has made me grateful I was as lucky as I was.

Anyway, Rolloff was a reckless pilot from day one. It took him several years to get his instrument rating because of it. It only takes most people about 1 year. And that rating made him even more reckless. I was with him through many thunderstorms. He seemed to try to get into trouble. Then he would get all excited and start singing. One time the plane was full and we were flying at 12,000 feet over the rocky mountains (By FAA regulations, he had to wear oxygen at that altitude.) Suddenly it got quiet. An engine had failed. We started falling and had to follow canyons hoping we didn't meet a dead end. (literally). We ended up landing at a dirt strip in New Mexico.

When I arrived, there were about 15 girls and we all lived in trailers. We were crammed in there like sardines. I slept in a sleeping bag on the kitchen floor for a while. I was new, and they were fasting which made no sense to me. So I got mad and demanded an orange or something! Papa got all huffy and said I was a ?sinner? then called me a heffer and I retaliated verbally?cussed him out and told him he had to boss around girls to feel like a ?big man?. He ended up whapping me on the head really hard and leaving a big bruise on my temple. I was used to getting beat up at home, so I wasn?t afraid of anybody. I only got paddled a few times, because it only made me more resistant. I wasn?t going to let that jerk see me cry for anything.

One thing Granny & Papa did that has always bothered me, is that I got REALLY sick after a couple months. I threw up every time I tried to move, had terrible earaches and sore throat. I couldn?t eat for about 2 weeks and was running a high fever. They refused to do anything at all. I couldn?t even get an aspirin (some health food regulation). I could have had lifelong health problems from an infection and fever like that or even died. They are lucky I recovered. But they NEVER acknowledged I was ever really sick. In fact I was repeatedly paddled for not working and not going to church but I was too weak and too stubborn to care.


They also did not allow any school or textbooks. That used to really make me mad. (Plus it was illegal). I swear! To this day I have never been bored again. People don?t know how lucky they are they can bring a book or magazine with them to read if they get stuck waiting somewhere. You should have seen the laughs I got years later when I applied to college with a only a formal 9th grade education, a GED and no clue what algebra was! But I?m tenacious and graduated with a high B average, even passing calculus and physics.

As bad as the home was, it was better than my family. I was very brainwashed there and was encouraged to believe God led me there to get the love I never had. Now I?m angry as hell about it. They just used me to raise money, and they didn?t really care about me. And I was too brainwashed to see the truth. By the way, I never snitched on the other girls and was often singled out for punishment by Granny, who was jealous I got so much of Roloff?s attention. I remember when we moved into the dorms I was responsible for ALL the laundry plus so many other chores it was impossible to get it all done so she would punish me with lock up.

When I finally left, I had nowhere to go. It did not have to be that way. Several families had asked Roloff to let me live with them but he said no. I did not know how to find a job, manage a checking account or survive in the real world. When I called to ask for advise, granny & papa and even Roloff refused to take my calls (which were not collect). I was only told to get married and God would take care of me. So I married a man who was raised a fundamental Christian. He beat me, made me work and took all my money, and I stayed in that horrible marriage until recently. For reasons I wont go into, I could not have kids, but raised his. He undermined me to my face telling them I wasn?t their mother and they didn?t have to mind me.

If there had been one last shred of self-respect undamaged, I would have left. At least I called the police and reported him for physical abuse so that stopped. Still, he lied to me, spent the money I made on himself, and acted entitled. Only recently I discovered he had been cheating on me and finally left. Since he didn?t allow me to have my own friends, I find myself very alone right now, but I?ll survive. Finally I at least have self respect and can fashion a decent life.

These days I don?t call myself a Christian. I don?t want to be associated with people who abuse that term, and my beliefs would NOT be approved of by the Roloffite bunch. But my conscience is clear.

Knowing Roloff as I did, I DO blame him for starting that cult. He most definitely, absolutely,

'recently divorced'
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
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On 2005-11-24 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is 'divorced'



Of course Roloff never thought "I'm going to start a 'cult'." He thought he was the voice in the winderness preaching the Truth. He thought he was right. He wasn't though. He was extreme. His views were fine for some people and he could have left it at that. But he did not. He imposed his beliefs on captive kids who had no choice in the matter! In his mind he wanted to start a 'movement'. But he will be remembered as a cult leader. Like it or not, believe it or not, he stepped over the line!



In the end, I don't hate him but I do hate some of the twished teaching and hurts that came out of his ministry. And if I feel REALLY bad for the girls who suffered under the Camerons, (and I thought the Weatherfords were bad). (By the way, it seems there are 2 different stories about girls jumping form the second story. I remember it happening under the Weatherfords.) I feel terrible for the kids who were in his homes after his death. I used to think the boys had it better, 'casue Roloff WAS a woman hater. But they had it really hard too. I prefer to tone down what I have to say because it is such an emotional subject.



As far as a cult; Roloff started the ball rolling. And I can tell you a lot of stories because I travelled with him for 2 years! As I am new here, I will not give my name. The only clue; I was in the plane that set down of the freeway outside of Chattanooga. We here going from Cullonen to Chattanooga and lost gas pressure in north Georgia. The state patrol let someone get gas and clearedt he cars so we could take off. What an incredible story! But you all know it really happened. Almost certainly some of you know me and I don't want to be blasted for being ungrateful, etc. The memeories are not all bad...some are very humorous. In the end though, if he had realized others were not so far 'below' him spiritually, things could have been MUCH better."
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It was diane rundell that jumped out the window when we where there, And yes I do know who you are.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 12:28:00 PM
The girl who jumped when I was there was Glenda. She had a twin sister, Linda who was there too. Glenda spent some time in a body cast and probibly suffers from back trouble to this day.

I have not kept up with anyone from the home as I felt like they dumped me with no means to care for myself.

To quote Jerry Garcia, "What a long strange trip it's been."

'divorced'.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 03:21:00 PM
I remember Glinda and Linda. Diana Rundel also jumped out the window I think in 74 maybe? So did you live in flower bluff? Or did you move straight away to the trailers on the farm. I think there was 12 girls when they first moved there. So where you part of the quartet or emsumable. I have pictures I believe. You are maybe M.k. Or B,R.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 05:00:00 PM
Ha Ha. Very close, but not quite right. I was in the original ensemble so you nearly had me pegged. Once I got good and brainwashed, I started to write songs. I sang one for Bro. Roloff and he decided to form an ensemble to travel with him. I never meant for things to turn out the way they did...I was just a confused kid. Part of me feels very 'used' as he made tons of money of the ensemble and I WAS a Roloff robot. I had no mind of my own. It embarrases me to think of the things I said in front of all those congregations in support of Roloff. But he treated me WAY better than my parents did, and that was all I knew.

I suspected from the posts there were two different people who jumped. That is SO aweful. I didn't know Diana. I remember Brenda well. She is the one who passed out in the plane over the Rockies. I hope she is doing well now. She was a really sweeet girl.

Geez! The girls home experience was so confusing. In the end though, while I remember some good things, I cannot condone Roloff's attitude that he knew what was right for everyone else. Pushing his values on me really screwed up my head for a long time, and it caused me to marry someone who continued to give me the message love had to be earned 'cause I was a worthless worm.

I expect I would have ended up OD'ing on drugs or something if I hadn't gotten some sort of help as I was so miserable when I got there. But as horrible as it sounds, I'm not sure surviving was worth going through the girls home experience. But you can't change the past. The only thing I can do, now that I know his ministries are still operating, is work toward educating people about the truth of what goes on there.

Maybe my attitude will change soon as I'm going through a lot of pain (and financial trouble) around the divorce right now. The asshole bullied me into leaving with very little of what I worked very hard for. In the end, though, it is all forcing me to find out who I am, and I don't feel like a worm that needs to EARN love any more, and I finally don't feel guilty for who I am, or feel I need to prove myself.

So life is just life. Everyone has bad things happen, some more than others. The important thing seems to be to learn and grow from our experiences. And I'm finding there are a few really good people around now that I know how to recognize them.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
you must have written wasted days and wasted years..... or the Mother song that everyone love so much ... written as a letter to her mother .... but made into a song.....the one that wrote wasted days and wasted years wrote many other songs but my mind is not clear... i see faces... and parts of names..... so if hidding who you are is your idea you managed well..... but other than those two... which came after you as you say you were among the first 20 you cant be but one other girl....whom i sought for a while ...but i had heard she got married had kids and well .... there is one other...but she came long after you.... girl you got my head rocking... and thats not to grand...but please answer me privately.... ....... 'superchicken' will tell you how to do that.... yes... i'm a bit secertive... and there's great cause for that which i wont go into here.... and hey.... ya got any idea of what has taken place with brenda hope..... laters :silly:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
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On 2005-11-24 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is 'divorced'



Of course Roloff never thought "I'm going to start a 'cult'." He thought he was the voice in the winderness preaching the Truth. He thought he was right. He wasn't though. He was extreme. His views were fine for some people and he could have left it at that. But he did not. He imposed his beliefs on captive kids who had no choice in the matter! In his mind he wanted to start a 'movement'. But he will be remembered as a cult leader. Like it or not, believe it or not, he stepped over the line!



In the end, I don't hate him but I do hate some of the twished teaching and hurts that came out of his ministry. And if I feel REALLY bad for the girls who suffered under the Camerons, (and I thought the Weatherfords were bad). (By the way, it seems there are 2 different stories about girls jumping form the second story. I remember it happening under the Weatherfords.) I feel terrible for the kids who were in his homes after his death. I used to think the boys had it better, 'casue Roloff WAS a woman hater. But they had it really hard too. I prefer to tone down what I have to say because it is such an emotional subject.



As far as a cult; Roloff started the ball rolling. And I can tell you a lot of stories because I travelled with him for 2 years! As I am new here, I will not give my name. The only clue; I was in the plane that set down of the freeway outside of Chattanooga. We here going from Cullonen to Chattanooga and lost gas pressure in north Georgia. The state patrol let someone get gas and clearedt he cars so we could take off. What an incredible story! But you all know it really happened. Almost certainly some of you know me and I don't want to be blasted for being ungrateful, etc. The memeories are not all bad...some are very humorous. In the end though, if he had realized others were not so far 'below' him spiritually, things could have been MUCH better."


So why do you think he was a woman hater? What did he do or say to make you feel that way?
Very believable story about the plane! " Been There".  Not almost crashing- but sure believed it was my last trip. I wonder if counted how many times that plane actually went down. and almost never made it. I wonder if the people in side the plane on his final day knew that was it or believed they would make it by faith, I always knew that is how it would end for him. I truly believe he did test God. Do I believe he was reckless with the people's life's while in the air oh yes I do. I think he was born a dare devil and died one. I always wonder if God held him accountable for those life's that day.
When I first found the girls again I was pretty upset to put it mildly will tell in next post.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 07:57:00 PM
Love to hear the posts where we are finally talking about something.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 08:00:00 PM
Oh GWD where is my pictures. I knew. And I have yours hehe
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 08:03:00 PM
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On 2005-11-26 16:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"you must have written wasted days and wasted years..... or the Mother song that everyone love so much ... written as a letter to her mother .... but made into a song.....the one that wrote wasted days and wasted years wrote many other songs but my mind is not clear... i see faces... and parts of names..... so if hidding who you are is your idea you managed well..... but other than those two... which came after you as you say you were among the first 20 you cant be but one other girl....whom i sought for a while ...but i had heard she got married had kids and well .... there is one other...but she came long after you.... girl you got my head rocking... and thats not to grand...but please answer me privately.... ....... 'superchicken' will tell you how to do that.... yes... i'm a bit secertive... and there's great cause for that which i wont go into here.... and hey.... ya got any idea of what has taken place with brenda hope..... laters :silly: "


You sang on those old albums did'nt ya taters? what albums did you sing on resenty dev. you had to be in the quartet to travel that much with him. I think you are M. K.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 08:23:00 PM
So what about them rats as big as cats in the heavenly hey loft? or did you go to school there?
We had coraspondence no books but when they built the new school they got books.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 08:28:00 PM
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On 2005-11-26 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ha Ha. Very close, but not quite right. I was in the original ensemble so you nearly had me pegged. Once I got good and brainwashed, I started to write songs. I sang one for Bro. Roloff and he decided to form an ensemble to travel with him. I never meant for things to turn out the way they did...I was just a confused kid. Part of me feels very 'used' as he made tons of money of the ensemble and I WAS a Roloff robot. I had no mind of my own. It embarrases me to think of the things I said in front of all those congregations in support of Roloff. But he treated me WAY better than my parents did, and that was all I knew.



I suspected from the posts there were two different people who jumped. That is SO aweful. I didn't know Diana. I remember Brenda well. She is the one who passed out in the plane over the Rockies. I hope she is doing well now. She was a really sweeet girl.



Geez! The girls home experience was so confusing. In the end though, while I remember some good things, I cannot condone Roloff's attitude that he knew what was right for everyone else. Pushing his values on me really screwed up my head for a long time, and it caused me to marry someone who continued to give me the message love had to be earned 'cause I was a worthless worm.



I expect I would have ended up OD'ing on drugs or something if I hadn't gotten some sort of help as I was so miserable when I got there. But as horrible as it sounds, I'm not sure surviving was worth going through the girls home experience. But you can't change the past. The only thing I can do, now that I know his ministries are still operating, is work toward educating people about the truth of what goes on there.



Maybe my attitude will change soon as I'm going through a lot of pain (and financial trouble) around the divorce right now. The asshole bullied me into leaving with very little of what I worked very hard for. In the end, though, it is all forcing me to find out who I am, and I don't feel like a worm that needs to EARN love any more, and I finally don't feel guilty for who I am, or feel I need to prove myself.



So life is just life. Everyone has bad things happen, some more than others. The important thing seems to be to learn and grow from our experiences. And I'm finding there are a few really good people around now that I know how to recognize them."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 08:42:00 PM
Brenda Rittenberry or Brenda Rutledge? Are you in contact with one of them. I would love to talk to Brenda Rittenberry with the cans on her head he he. Are you Gwen then? Wrote that song now I can walk in newness of life don't have to live as before? Know which song I am talking about?
What songs did you sing or write on his first albums? A- will Know she was there when there where 20 girls and also sang on the albums. Did you always ride with roloff or did you ride with his bro. in law too? Elise went with him a lot to.
Base or tenner which one did you sing?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 09:49:00 PM
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On 2005-11-26 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ha Ha. Very close, but not quite right. I was in the original ensemble so you nearly had me pegged. Once I got good and brainwashed, I started to write songs. I sang one for Bro. Roloff and he decided to form an ensemble to travel with him. I never meant for things to turn out the way they did...I was just a confused kid. Part of me feels very 'used' as he made tons of money of the ensemble and I WAS a Roloff robot. I had no mind of my own. It embarrases me to think of the things I said in front of all those congregations in support of Roloff. But he treated me WAY better than my parents did, and that was all I knew.



I suspected from the posts there were two different people who jumped. That is SO aweful. I didn't know Diana. I remember Brenda well. She is the one who passed out in the plane over the Rockies. I hope she is doing well now. She was a really sweeet girl.



Geez! The girls home experience was so confusing. In the end though, while I remember some good things, I cannot condone Roloff's attitude that he knew what was right for everyone else. Pushing his values on me really screwed up my head for a long time, and it caused me to marry someone who continued to give me the message love had to be earned 'cause I was a worthless worm.



I expect I would have ended up OD'ing on drugs or something if I hadn't gotten some sort of help as I was so miserable when I got there. But as horrible as it sounds, I'm not sure surviving was worth going through the girls home experience. But you can't change the past. The only thing I can do, now that I know his ministries are still operating, is work toward educating people about the truth of what goes on there.



Maybe my attitude will change soon as I'm going through a lot of pain (and financial trouble) around the divorce right now. The asshole bullied me into leaving with very little of what I worked very hard for. In the end, though, it is all forcing me to find out who I am, and I don't feel like a worm that needs to EARN love any more, and I finally don't feel guilty for who I am, or feel I need to prove myself.



So life is just life. Everyone has bad things happen, some more than others. The important thing seems to be to learn and grow from our experiences. And I'm finding there are a few really good people around now that I know how to recognize them."


I had no where to go either and it was a better place than the street. Or juvy. Juvy was bad. I also left the home very angry. In fact my whole world was blown apart because before I left I found out things that they had lied about, And being the loyal robot that I was it really hurt.
My roommate lived with the Roloff's for about a year I guess. She got very spoiled by them. At least by  Ms. Roloff mostly. So I found out everything I didn't want to know. Also Visited granny and papa  at their home home and found out even more I did not want to knew. They where human. And did not totally believe as he did. It was a job I was told. I had my ups and downs in the home still can not walk in a church, And for a long time I was very upset about the fact so much was forced on us regarding the bible. Up until this last year in fact. I felt very betrayed by them. I also became an abused wife and got the shit beat out of me. Went to PaPa and granny for help in fact. Stole his car and drove all the way there for help. Was pretty much worked over when I got there. I thought for sure they would help me. But they did not they turned me away. I felt very betrayed because they lead me to believe they where there to help.
Let me tell you my husband beat me while I was pregnant with my only child. Said he would kill her and he did she died on delvery. 9 months.
When I told Granny what he had done she told me I was being punished by God. I blamed my self for her death for a long time tried suicide everything couldn't get past it. But being the worm I thought I was thought I deserved it. I was not  a good wife. I was 17 when I lost my child and barley out of the home. I had 2 black eyes 2 busted ear drums teeth knocked out busted mouth no hair on my head where it had been jerked out from being drug all over the house. I had soars on mu back huge soars on both elbows and knees, Not to mention all the beatings I took when they turned me away and I had to take his car back which I blew up on the way home. I will come on here and say what I never would before most people knew anyway. But at 21 I killed my husband. It was self defence the grand jury decided. But was a accident. Never meant to do it never planned it- It just happen. He had a stab wound 1 quarter inch hit a main artery and he died before my eyes. One way or the other 3 stitches would have been required and he was chocking me to death when it happen. And on LSD. My life has been a total hell. A Nightmare. How could of this happen? Did I blame the home and the fact they would not help? Oh yes I hated them. I do understand why you are angry probably more than most. And it is OK to be mad I certainly will not wrong you. Nor judge you. I talk to Granny as recent as 2 days ago. And I just had to let it go. I have enough to live with as it is and it just made the weight in side heaver. I had to forgive. Forgot no? Forgive yes I had to make peace with it, But I had to do it in my own time and you will to. It just takes time and a lot of venting. I take my days one at a time now and one foot in front of the other. What happen was wrong bad wrong and yes it effected my life my views, It changed everything about me to the point of not being me anymore. One thing that I have learned from all this is, My heart and soul belong to me and only me and I have taken them back, I will never let the home control or consume me again. Since they never taught me that it was something I had to retrieve on my own. I really after hearing the other girls stories felt bad because they got hurt so much worse and thought my self fortunate that My time there was better. Hearing their stories made me thankful that it any worse that what it was, so here I am? So come on you guys bring on the posts about what I did. It is expected.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 10:42:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-11-26 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ha Ha. Very close, but not quite right. I was in the original ensemble so you nearly had me pegged. Once I got good and brainwashed, I started to write songs. I sang one for Bro. Roloff and he decided to form an ensemble to travel with him. I never meant for things to turn out the way they did...I was just a confused kid. Part of me feels very 'used' as he made tons of money of the ensemble and I WAS a Roloff robot. I had no mind of my own. It embarrases me to think of the things I said in front of all those congregations in support of Roloff. But he treated me WAY better than my parents did, and that was all I knew.



I suspected from the posts there were two different people who jumped. That is SO aweful. I didn't know Diana. I remember Brenda well. She is the one who passed out in the plane over the Rockies. I hope she is doing well now. She was a really sweeet girl.



Geez! The girls home experience was so confusing. In the end though, while I remember some good things, I cannot condone Roloff's attitude that he knew what was right for everyone else. Pushing his values on me really screwed up my head for a long time, and it caused me to marry someone who continued to give me the message love had to be earned 'cause I was a worthless worm.



I expect I would have ended up OD'ing on drugs or something if I hadn't gotten some sort of help as I was so miserable when I got there. But as horrible as it sounds, I'm not sure surviving was worth going through the girls home experience. But you can't change the past. The only thing I can do, now that I know his ministries are still operating, is work toward educating people about the truth of what goes on there.



Maybe my attitude will change soon as I'm going through a lot of pain (and financial trouble) around the divorce right now. The asshole bullied me into leaving with very little of what I worked very hard for. In the end, though, it is all forcing me to find out who I am, and I don't feel like a worm that needs to EARN love any more, and I finally don't feel guilty for who I am, or feel I need to prove myself.



So life is just life. Everyone has bad things happen, some more than others. The important thing seems to be to learn and grow from our experiences. And I'm finding there are a few really good people around now that I know how to recognize them."


So where do you think he buried all that money?
most likely in the workers coffee cans underneath his house he he
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
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On 2005-11-26 17:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Brenda Rittenberry or Brenda Rutledge? Are you in contact with one of them. I would love to talk to Brenda Rittenberry with the cans on her head he he. Are you Gwen then? Wrote that song now I can walk in newness of life don't have to live as before? Know which song I am talking about?

What songs did you sing or write on his first albums? A- will Know she was there when there where 20 girls and also sang on the albums. Did you always ride with roloff or did you ride with his bro. in law too? Elise went with him a lot to.

Base or tenner which one did you sing?"


I know you are not diane burton. You must be guwen if so I still know at least 1 of your songs that carried me through a hard time in my life, dark hair black glasses
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 12:43:00 AM
If you where Elsie then You where one of roloffs favorite and pretend to have seizures to make us laugh. You know Granny runs a home for abused women now?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 01:04:00 AM
This is ?divorced?

Oh oh. Pictures. Guess I?m BUSTED. (he he). I?m not MK, or Elise or Gwen. I?m LH. (or was then) I wrote ?I?ll Never be the same? which was on an early album. A couple more too. I guess ?Oh, Praise Him? was the most popular. The ONLY call I ever got from my parents was to tell me my brother had died in a motorcycle accident and that song just came to me the next morning. Took 5 minutes to write. We all sang at a local church the next day. I sang that song and the congregation took up an offering so I could fly to the funeral in California. It?s on the early album too. The Weatherford?s daughter sang with the quartet a little just before I left. Elise sounds familiar, but 35 years is a long time to remember names you havn?t thought of.

I honestly don?t remember Brenda?s last name any more, but Rittenberry sounds right.. She was short and cute with thick curly dark hair. She left before I did and married a preacher who beat her. After I left I felt unwelcome so I did not stay in contact with the home.

Please explain how I can contact superchicken. I would love to be able to speak more privately. There seems to be a LOT to talk about. When I arrived at the farm there were about 15 girls in trailers. Mostly unwed mothers. The home was pretty new. At the time I was in the ensemble different people sang, but I almost always got to go along. Diane Burton, Brenda, Gwen, Linda and Glinda were regulars besides me. Since the plane held 6, usually 5 of us traveled. We were called the Honeybee quartet even thought there were usually 5 of us?sometimes 6.

Roloff was a woman hater because he belittled women?s abilities and thought the only thing women was good for was to be wives and mothers. We had no school when I was there, and he said all women needed was to be able to read a recipe book and grocery shop. We were only allowed to read the KJV bible and his books. That is IT. He just would say bad things about women in a mean way. And OH! He hated Bella Abzug, who I met years later and really liked. I just remember feeling very inferior to any men. My childhood didn?t help either though. Someone said that thing about how he said Eve ruined Adam. It is true. I heard him preach that too. And he preached women were to be obedient followers of men no matter how the man acted. It was the woman?s place to ?make? the marriage work and if it didn?t she was not being obedient enough. I?m pretty much a feminist now. And I DO understand about church. I find it very difficult to attend.

I?m SO sorry to hear about your childhood. Yes, juvy was bad but I only spent a couple weeks there. I was actually in a state home for foster kids who were not adoptable, then ran away and turned myself in so I could go to juvy and get a court date. An aunt took me thinking she would get me saved but she didn?t have a clue how troubled I was. My s-dad was a cruel pervert. I was convinced he would kill me before I turned 18. My mom blamed me for being born and ruining her life ?casue she divorced my dad and hated him. Therapy has helped a lot.

What a tragic story about your marriage! I?m really glad you were not charged with his murder. My H hit and all, but I called the police on him so he was scared to hit me after that. Right now he is trying to ruin me financially out of spite. And I don?t know why. I always tried to make him happy. I even bought him an airplane! He is one of those guys who feels entitled and thought it was my job to ?make? him happy. I found out today he got a second mortgage on the house he kept in the divorce. It was a beautiful home, but he (we) owed $320,000 on it. He was supposed to refinance and get my name off the loan?instead he took out a second mortgage for $150,000 more and I found out ?cause I checked my credit report. I don?t know how he managed it without my knowledge, but his mommy works at a law firm that does real estate. Bitch. Anyway, if I have to file bankruptcy I?m getting my name off his debts. If he got his girlfriend to forge my name, well he can go to j-a-i-l.

Have to say though, hearing your story makes me realize it could have been worse. You have certainly come a long way, and I know it has been a lot of work.

As far as all the money, Roloff spent freely enough, but I don?t think he stole tons of money. He was more concerned with fame than fortune. He did trade the Piper Aztec for a Beech Queen air, that was and easy $100,000 there. He always wore a white cowboy hat that cost a couple hundred dollars then. He had several. He bought whatever he wanted and spent freely, I just didn?t see any evidence he was stashing a bunch of money away. The homes weren?t cheap and he was busy building an empire, so I think that is where the bulk of the money went. I was with him when he got audited once, and he was cleared of embezzlement. Then again, who knows? I was pretty clueless at the time.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 03:34:00 AM
You know if I am wrong I will say so in this case I am because like as time passes we do forget and I had forgotten all those sermons but now reminded do remember them clearly. Maybe I should re-read my notes. Do you still have your bible? I remember one note I wrote that he hated Ann Landers thought she was of the devil commy. If you did not know her she was an advise columnist like dear Abby. When I read what you wrote it hit me like a ton of bricks. Besides my shitty childhood no wonder I felt everything was my fault and I was not doing enough to keep my marriage togather. He use to say that to me alot last hubby obey me bitch. Sure did.I have the original honeybees quartet pictures. I was wondering if that was you to in there but I could not remember your name. I am sorry about your marriage. Maybe they should have taught us to hate men and not ourselves.
There are still alot of his teachings that stick in my craw like a stone I tell you.
I still have so many mixed feelings about him. I was young and 13 I guess all kids go insane at 13. However I take the 5th. Sorry to hear about your brother. I never had any kids but raised my nephew and he went off an overpass we thought was 135 miles per hour turned out to be 189. Blew an oil plug and flew 30 feet out 50 feet drop. Long ways and he broke a lot of bones but he walks and it happen last Febuary. He is really 1 of 3 children I ever loved with all my soul but we have always been close. He is 21. No drinking or drugs just stupid is a good word.
Oh I always joke about what he did with all that money. They charge now 6,000 a year plus ins. plus spending money name it!
If you miss a payment they stick your kid on a bus. Weird how things change. Now it is required.
Any way we are at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffalumni/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffalumni/)
If you do not want to talk in there. I have a private chat or chatzy which no one knows you in there. Or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thatreallysucks/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thatreallysucks/)
there are 3 of us close to your time.
In both groups there are people who share your experience and are good friends and people. Super chicken is there. People like hearing your stories and points of view on here. I have always like to write to- my whole life it seems. I can write something as the mood stikes me and am not shy with my words. I can understand why you felt you where used. But to be on the records can I have your autograph? Kidding? It takes having a special talent to be able to do that. Anyway nice talking hope to talk again. :nworthy:   :smile:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 09:57:00 AM
http://www.chatzy.com/430584073319 (http://www.chatzy.com/430584073319)

So if you do not want to post in group or want to get to know each
other where you can chat live. Just go in chatzy

pass code( friends) You do not have to use a real name,
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 03:19:00 PM
So do you ever stay in touch with the people that you stayed with while on tour? Where did you go when you got out? Did you ever get any of the old albums you made? Are they still playing them do you know? How long have you been married this time? I know I am nosey he he
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
That is OK. (About being ?nosy?). Actually, when I turned 18 I had no place to go and my mother had stolen several thousand dollars my father, who died when I was 9, left for me. So I worked in the offices for about 9 months. I was actually Elaine?s roommate (yes, the mean redheaded one). We didn?t get along great, but we sort-of ignored each other.

Since I was living at the offices then, in Corpus Christi, they allowed me to get a book called ?How to pass the GED?. So I studied it, took and passed the test. They also took me to get a social security card. Then they sent me to make a life on my own?so I moved to the southeast since my family was in California. (I wanted to be as far away as possible). That is were I met my husband. I?ve only been married once. We married when I was 25. We divorced just before my 53rd birthday.

As I said, Granny didn?t care for me much. She was pretty mean and picked on me a lot. I think it was partly because I got too much attention. Once Mrs. Roloff gave everybody IQ tests when there were about 110 of us (we lived in the dorms then) and mine was the highest. Everybody made a big deal out of that?but IQ tests only test a very narrow range of a person?s abilities. Plus I may have just had a good day. Anyway, granny got ?weird? about it. When I left I was told all this lovey dovey shit that I was cared about, etc. But when I called with problems related to trouble making it alone in the world they did not want to hear it. They just said it was my fault.

Believe me, I?m pissed that Roloff refused to let anyone take me into their homes and just sent me out on my own instead. There were several families who really wanted to take me in. How the hell did he think I was going to survive? What gave him the right to make that decision for me? I was abandoned by my parents so this was another deep abandonment. And I always tried so hard to be acceptable?it was a blow to my self-esteem I?m still not completely over. It happened again recently with my husband. The message I continue to fight, is that it does not matter what I do or how hard I try. I just am an unlovable person and if someone takes an interest in me they see something they want. When they are done, they will kick me to the curb.

I?m the type of person who, once I decide it is over, does not look back. It was clear I would find no help, advice or concern from any of them. In fact Granny told me to my face, in front of some other girls, I was too screwed up to make it on my own anywhere, and she did not care. I?ve always suspected that when I left they just wrote me off and the songs were silenced. The fact that you cannot place me reinforces that suspicion. Still, my name is on the first album that was recorded.

What do you know about Diane Burton? How did you know it was not me as we usually traveled together most of the time?

?divorced?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
'divorced'..... oh me oh my.... 'divorced' my dear sure wish you where near me i so must give you a major hug.... and a longgggg talk.....lololol get with 'superchicken' i am the one she referred to as A... yes dear yes dear no need to lie ... our life after leaving the home was hard... and a lot of the hardness we did ourselves but .... but... not all ... not all... and for us there seemed no place to turn.... oh my dear one... my dear sister... how i desire to see and speak face to face with you....and in so doing prehaps we can strenghthen each other.... join us in the other group.... some there no my name... while most dont....but oh how i could sit with you face to face and share with you what great strenghth you truly truly have... for we stumble thru the years alone often abused with only god to hear us and only god to collect our tears....... oh how you need a hug....  ::trophy:: of your journey.... you made it thru dear... and that is a feat in itself..... god love you...
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 07:52:00 PM
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On 2005-11-27 13:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That is OK. (About being ?nosy?). Actually, when I turned 18 I had no place to go and my mother had stolen several thousand dollars my father, who died when I was 9, left for me. So I worked in the offices for about 9 months. I was actually Elaine?s roommate (yes, the mean redheaded one). We didn?t get along great, but we sort-of ignored each other.



Since I was living at the offices then, in Corpus Christi, they allowed me to get a book called ?How to pass the GED?. So I studied it, took and passed the test. They also took me to get a social security card. Then they sent me to make a life on my own?so I moved to the southeast since my family was in California. (I wanted to be as far away as possible). That is were I met my husband. I?ve only been married once. We married when I was 25. We divorced just before my 53rd birthday.



As I said, Granny didn?t care for me much. She was pretty mean and picked on me a lot. I think it was partly because I got too much attention. Once Mrs. Roloff gave everybody IQ tests when there were about 110 of us (we lived in the dorms then) and mine was the highest. Everybody made a big deal out of that?but IQ tests only test a very narrow range of a person?s abilities. Plus I may have just had a good day. Anyway, granny got ?weird? about it. When I left I was told all this lovey dovey shit that I was cared about, etc. But when I called with problems related to trouble making it alone in the world they did not want to hear it. They just said it was my fault.



Believe me, I?m pissed that Roloff refused to let anyone take me into their homes and just sent me out on my own instead. There were several families who really wanted to take me in. How the hell did he think I was going to survive? What gave him the right to make that decision for me? I was abandoned by my parents so this was another deep abandonment. And I always tried so hard to be acceptable?it was a blow to my self-esteem I?m still not completely over. It happened again recently with my husband. The message I continue to fight, is that it does not matter what I do or how hard I try. I just am an unlovable person and if someone takes an interest in me they see something they want. When they are done, they will kick me to the curb.



I?m the type of person who, once I decide it is over, does not look back. It was clear I would find no help, advice or concern from any of them. In fact Granny told me to my face, in front of some other girls, I was too screwed up to make it on my own anywhere, and she did not care. I?ve always suspected that when I left they just wrote me off and the songs were silenced. The fact that you cannot place me reinforces that suspicion. Still, my name is on the first album that was recorded.



What do you know about Diane Burton? How did you know it was not me as we usually traveled together most of the time?



?divorced?"



Hey it is nosey again. Snort snort..He he
Did you look at the group page or pictures? When I came in there was 60 girls. I was 13 and Pa Pa had took me under his wing. Sometimes I think he whipped me harder because of that. But he gave me a lot of freedoms to roam the property. And me being nosy in all nosed into what the old girls did all the time. I really looked up to them. I never had any sisters or really any friends so I aimed to please and listened to everything they said. I loved the Quartet! I so wanted to be like them. I never could carry a tune in a bucket, and the only reason why granny put me in choir was because I would not quit making funny's. So she had to set me where she could see me. Where you Elane's Roommate in the dorm or office? You knew the office burned down didn't you? I did not like Elane I'll spare the name calling. How you survived it I never know. At the dorm she was right across from my room. Granny always put me by a workers room because I would sneak out of my room and get the girls all  stirred up. Wha ha ha Anyway I sure I have a picture of you and remember your name but won't say it out loud. If I remember you right?? Well just go look at the pictures. If that is your picture on my home page you have all rights to kick my ass. But I will take it off if you want.
I am sorry about your parents. I do understand. My mom co signed for me apt at 15 1/2. Ended up back in the home and after I got out went back to the streets. I know exactly what you mean when you tell me how granny made you feel. Pa Pa might have whipped me but told me he loved me Granny Not only slapped me more times than I can count! She also made me feel really bad about my self but she would say it in a sweet way. Hold on I will do it. he he "Now honey..... nobody loves a little ugly girl... Look at the way you dress your hair you look like a hippy... God doesn't love little girls like that and your mom sure would not want you ... But I love you and you just have to be better".... Sound familiar? :roll: I was also told I could never come back called a whore ect. And It hurt and hurt deep. Because for some twisted reason believed that she really loved me and maybe she did or didn't. Don no? :???: But did take it very hard especially after what I went though and saving me was at the tip of there fingers and they through it back in my face and I felt mocked me. Every time I got the shit beat out of me I thought of what was said to me. I got your same message. I am truly sorry for your pain. And I understand that every failure validated that for me. I am doing better thanks to having friends here. And they have made me feel worth something for the first time in my life.        I do not know what happen to the albums. I have forgotten most of the songs. Not A though. she remembers almost all of them but she sang on album 13 I think. You being there when there was 110 girls. I was most defiantly with you there.
Since you sang I probably followed you around you will maybe remember me. I loved Diane and had many talks with her and many prayers and the same with Brenda. Elise played the piano and got by with a lot I think. But liked her because she was funny and was daring. Don't read into anything about the songs being gone. I just can't remember. I do understand your feelings. And you are not alone in them. Everything you felt people made you feel and it is not in your head. Or you heart that trusted and was broken.
And you know what screw people! Especially since they do not know or understand That you are a good person and a strong one for surviving all on your own. Nobody needs a user. I think it is their loss. There are good people in here to be good friends and supportive. And in spite of everything you have made it on your own. That in it's self speaks volumes! You can start over and will because of who you are and what you have done with your life. And from reading- I do not think you will let anyone ever take that from you again.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
OMG!!!

The pic seems to show from left to right; Rene Weaterford, Diane Burton, Me and Brenda. Guess you got the proof. I put on some weight and cut my hair shorter later.

Wow. That is eerie.

I did not know the offices burned. Actually it was not to bad living with Elane at the office because by then I was a paid part of the office staff and on her level. We just pretty much ignored each other.

I remember Miss Ida. She was real nice. I heard Roloffs death destroyed her.
 
Being in the quartet was awesome. It was like living like a rock star sometimes. We had special priviliges and all. We would spend hours signing peoples Bibles. I'm still embarassed I was so brainwashed, but you can certainly see the appeal. When I got there, I was so beaten down it took something as extreme as being part of the quartet to bring me out of my shell. I'm glad for a lot of that. But I sometimes feel guilty for the special treatment.

I did not, however become a snitch and tell on other girls. That was something that got me into trouble 'cause I was NOT going to play that game.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 11:19:00 PM
I knew it! I knew that was you! I got sunshine the same way she could not believe I have been carrying around all these old pictures for over 30 years or so. I have guarded them with all that I had. Wha hahahaha funny! he he Want me to take it down I can no problem. People loved to hear y'all sing and I could of for hours you had the prettiest voice. Poor ms Ida I forgot about her.
Y'all use to be my idols. And yes I do remember your songs and your story. wow! He He I bet you are tripping over that one. :rofl:
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Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
Ewwwww the twilight zone eeeeoooo eeeooooo
Hey I am on the front page of that really sucks site. And no I do not do that any more but in my day I was a bad girl.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 12:33:00 AM
Now your old friend is on there I took it off
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 05:42:00 AM
It really did not bother me that was up there. Who would know it was me, and nobody would recognizet the 'me' I have become.

Funny how I feel about being in the quartet...a bit ashamed and a bit proud 'cause I could sing. But hey. I was only doing what any kid would in my position. And I at least had the guts to NOT become a snitch, in spite of the fallout. Even then I had my limits.

It does feel strange to have my views against Roloff after being granted all that special treatment, but I still feel used and lied to. I was told I was loved, but it was most definitel conditional.

One of my favorite memories from the home was from back on the farm while in the trailors. The neighbors had a pretty white horse. So one day I jumped the fence, Pulled him close to a tree and climbed on. Now I grew up in Los Angeles and was a real city slicker. Didn't even know what corn looked like growing. Anyway, I climbed on this horse, completely bareback, no bridle or anything. Suddenly he took of running for the barn at full speed while I was hanging onto his mane for dear life. We flew by the farmer and his wife and when he stopped at the barn I slid off and jumped the fence back to the home.

Papa called a meeting and was red as a beet! He wanted to know who did it. He made us all parade around to see who was sore. (I was fine). I was also headstrong and wandered a lot, and I'm sure Papa suspected me, but...he knew I was a city slicker and surviving that ride should have taken someone who knew a little about horses. Anyway, I never got caught. hehe.

In my wanderings once, I came upon a pile of clothing rotting in a pit. It was everybody's 'worldly clothes'. Pants and stuff. That really made me mad as they promised we would get our stuff back when we left.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
Hell no they did not keep it but I always wondered where it went including my rings. Did you ever get your rings or jewelery back?
 Funny about the horse picturing you doing that, The other girls in the group where pretty girly. You seem more tom boy. Hey go look at the front page now.
And it was always conditional.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
Hey is that the same white horse roloff bought? was it white and gray? There use to be a white and gray horse pa pa would let me ride by the hanger. Then he had the brown one but I think that was to catch girls. I forgot how red faced he would get. Do you remember him always popping out his teeth? And hey I don't ever remember you plucking chickens. Did you?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 10:41:00 AM
I don't know if that was the same horse Roloff bought.

Brrrr. The chickens. Oh, yes. I got in on the chicken massacres. I remember Papa chopping thier heads off, then someone would catch them and dunk them in boiling water to make the feathers loose. The next team would remove the feathers then I was usually at a table removing the guts and cutting them up. Of course they were still warm. Lucky I'm not too squeamish. Some of the poor girls would just cry and shake.

There was one farm cat that would eat the guts we threw into pots under the table untill it could not even walk. It was all so gross. I learned how to milk cows and goats too but did not often get that chore. I remember the secret to making goat milk drinkable was to strain it through cheesecloth then freeze it. Once thawed it did not have such a wild taste.

Ironically now I have 2 pet parrots and they get treated very well.

I have no idea what they did with jewelry. I just knew Papa dug pits and burried our 'worldly' clothes.

Personally, I'm pretty busy trying to get life managable. Wrecked my car Wednesday and I have to get estimates. It was an old Civic and it looks like it will be totalled. I cannot buy an equal car for the money so printed out my credid report to see how I would qualify for a loan.

My credit score was hight, but so was my income to debt ratio. It stated in our divorce I had to sign a quit calim deed so he could refinance in his name only. I gave him the deed. He used it to get a second mortgage and my name is still on the first! I'm very upset. I called him. After his usual yelling and intimidation, he claimed since I'm getting almony for 4 years (which I let him do so he could stand a chance of keeping the house which his mom also lives in. I was being extraordinarily nice!) that he couldn't afford to refinance so he did the second. He said he would get my name off the house in 4-5 years. That spoils my credit so I'm going to have to get a lawyer and fight him.

I beleive I can get him for contempt of court since it states the quit claim deed is for the purpose of refinancing. It does not mention a second mortgatge. When he mentioned he might do it I said NO. He did it anyway with no intention of telling me. After all I've been through, one thing for sure. I'm through with men! I can easily picture myslef doing things with friends and leading a full life without any romantic relationships to screw it up.

'divorced'
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 10:56:00 AM
Hey will you IM me or e-mail me?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 12:16:00 PM
I am a bit of a clutz with forums and chat. How exactly do I get your e-mail address?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 12:45:00 PM
::kiss::  ::dove:: for you my dear 'divorce' we so do need to talk..... and you can get your name off the title deed or whatever to that house....any lawyer can do it....when i divorce the kids dad i told the judge... i want nada.. not even that idiots name..... not one nada.... only equal custody to the kids.... and because i had to sell my car for this divorce... we agreed no child support.... he look said.... you sure.. i reply.. very... judge said .... done... next case///// while you getting rid u part of house back to him for him and him alone to deal with...also remove his name from all you have and own including youself.... and your credit.... as long as it stays there he'll use it.... and that can hurt you...... and my dear sister... tho 99% of men are hateful decieving mindless thugs.... there are still that 1% worth having as friends... i say friends cause most of that 1% are very taken ...... i live alone... took a bit to adjust to... but i love it... i watch trinity broadcasting network all day and all nite... i listen to ktca all day and all nite .... i on puter all day and all nite..... god gave me disability.... he pays me rent me bills and even sent me 7 boxes of food clothes etc in the mail just hours b4 thanksgiving... and more...'superchicken' called em god winks....lol she is such a dear....when she and the others did that for me .... they had no idea how very empty my cabinets were.... but god did.... and it made me cry.....when i got the boxes.... all could be microwaved..... see i dont cook anymore.... i cant... i forget i'm cooking.... even when i stand watch it cook... i forget what it is i'm there for and it burned.... so no cooking here....god is good.... god is awesome.... people will do all they can to trip us ... and distroy us just so they can have something to laugh at and talk about.... but hold your head high dear... god will collect your revenge for you... i have seen it done many times... and it is not a nice thing to see.... nor a thing you want to happen to anyone....i love ya dear... you are strong very strong...hold your head high...square ur shoulders in NEW faith.... god has not forgot you.....i am sure you think he has... i thot HE had.... but god only decided i had enough hell on this earth to last an eternity and separted me to himself.... it was an adjustment ... but i will have it no other way..... wish you were near.... i so wish you were near....my dearest sister... you have not reached an end.... you have reached the beginning ... love ya A
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
That is so funny about the chickens! I could not get anyone to believe me about them giving those cats chicken guts! Intestines and every thing!! GWD!!!! Where you there when the girls where playing jump rope with them cause granny took up our jump ropes? If you don't admit it I will understand It was crazy! One time PaPa lined us up to see if we could cut their heads off and i got half way and boy did he get mad so pasty came behind me and finished it!! Gwd??? I got o'll Janice with a chicken foot one night when she got in her top bunk. she broke the bed from jumping so hard and I got no breakfast. Hey she don't know me. K
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 04:01:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-11-29 09:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am a bit of a clutz with forums and chat. How exactly do I get your e-mail address?"


You know you like to slap them parrots around.. Tee hehehe
And hell they get all squeamish any where in here if you talk about it. Watch!!
CHICKEN!! Shhhh listen.....EWWWWWWWW EAKKKK! ::noway::  
GUTS!!! NOOOOOOO! ::mecry::
MY EARS!! STOP IT CULT PEOPLE!! :rofl:
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Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
http://www.chatzy.com/430584073319 (http://www.chatzy.com/430584073319)
You can find me here. pass code (friends)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-11-29 12:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That is so funny about the chickens! I could not get anyone to believe me about them giving those cats chicken guts! Intestines and every thing!! GWD!!!! Where you there when the girls where playing jump rope with them cause granny took up our jump ropes? If you don't admit it I will understand It was crazy! One time PaPa lined us up to see if we could cut their heads off and i got half way and boy did he get mad so pasty came behind me and finished it!! Gwd??? I got o'll Janice with a chicken foot one night when she got in her top bunk. she broke the bed from jumping so hard and I got no breakfast. Hey she don't know me. K"



Maybe you will remember me now they put me in the chicken gut tank thingy they used to rinse the chickens. Pa Pa always made me catch and chase them and gut them.  It was like fuck the green bag alright?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-11-29 12:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That is so funny about the chickens! I could not get anyone to believe me about them giving those cats chicken guts! Intestines and every thing!! GWD!!!! Where you there when the girls where playing jump rope with them cause granny took up our jump ropes? If you don't admit it I will understand It was crazy! One time PaPa lined us up to see if we could cut their heads off and i got half way and boy did he get mad so pasty came behind me and finished it!! Gwd??? I got o'll Janice with a chicken foot one night when she got in her top bunk. she broke the bed from jumping so hard and I got no breakfast. Hey she don't know me. K"



Maybe you will remember me now they put me in the chicken gut tank thingy they used to rinse the chickens. Pa Pa always made me catch and chase them and gut them.  It was like fuck the green bag alright?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
I vaguely remember all that stuff about the chickens, but it is hazy. Must have blocked it from my mind. I've really blocked a lot about the home.

Better be nice about my parrots; they BITE back. :grin: Talk back too. One of them calls me a 'brat' if I don't give her what I want. Guess I kinda like spoiling them and not making them act perfect or anything.

I am thankful for my health, mind, ability to carry on and all. I was the brains behind our marriage. My ex would have never had all the stuff he is so proud of if I hadn't figured out how to get it. We were both dirt poor when we married. He will loose it all eventually.

It's just so hard right now as it seems everyone and everything is conspiring against me. But I know it will feel different. Just need to get the asshole OUT OF MY LIFE. I'm working on the credit stuff. Some day when I'm free of him it will feel much better. Still don't think I'll ever be willing to get into another relationship again. Too much trouble. I see myslef immersed in my work and hobbies, and having friends to enjoy doing things with some day. That is enough for me.

Sorry, A about the health problems. All that stress usually causes health problems. Autoimmune disorders are very common in people who have been abused.

'divorced'
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 09:24:00 AM
I know we block a lot of thing out. That is a good thing I guess. I remember diffenent things everyday. some something will remind me. Oh I will be sweet to your parots. Just kidding I think they are awesome little creatures they have such cool personalitys. Ya know being the brains before means you can be after and I believe you will win in the end. Time can be our best friend or worse enemy it seems. Good luck with every thing, You will win, I know you will.
laters taters
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Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 10:13:00 AM
How are you today? Hey be careful what you write here it is a very public forum. You can not delete unless your register your name. Just looking out for you. I wish you would come join our group. Well anyway Love talking to you.
laters taters
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
> "tho 99% of men are hateful decieving mindless thugs"

This alone shows the bias and hatred here on this forum.

First off it is a lie! Second, there is no way a person could know this for, they do not even come into contact with 1% of the men on earth.

Bitter people NEVER get better!

The webmaster of this place should be ashamed!
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Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
What on earth are you talking about?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
What on earth are you talking about?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
referring to the *99% .... i knew when i wrote that ... that would be the ONLY thing some of you read....lolol.... must have stepped on some toes...lolol.... do i apologize...NO....if i stepped on on toes with that alegory... prehaps a deep self exam is in order....thing is women are sesitive and emotional and most men who claim he-manship... who claim ... my woman.. i do as i please... are not men... human...but not men... men cry... men get emotional.... and these are few and far between... each generation these get even harder to find and if found usually are very taken by women who truly appreciate they men...it sad the what i referred to as the 99% think that men to show the women real love concern and care and faithfulness are mocked as weak sissies....i in my journy thru this life... rubbed shoulders with many who thot theyself as he-man... but at home... they respected they wives .. and if any of they friends didnt that friend was no longer a friend..... but now.... its opposite ... if one respects a woman he a sissy... so sad... so sad... so if i stepped on ur toe.... good
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Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 11:12:00 PM
Didn't step on my toes I would have to understand what you where saying first.
It just is not clear to me what your point is?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
Didn't step on my toes I would have to understand what you where saying first.
It just is not clear to me what your point is?... lol it was woman talk.... lol  one woman telling another that even tho it seems most males have no human hearts... thats is they think we women are a lessor creation.... that not all men feel that way....notice i did say ...seems....... i will add however that females are also guilty of thinking males are a lessor creation........ we are made different... mentally as well as the obvious.... john hagee has a great book set out that explains it nicely... what women want in a man/what man want in a woman....rather nice book(s)....worth the reading.... tho i have the books read to me.... my eyes dont see the print anymore..... my 'reader' is a young friend who grew up with my son... sweet kid i near 'killed' him in his teenage years.... grrrr.... but he turned out to be a sweet kid.... just thinking ... i for one... am both glad and thankful that we only have to live thru the teens and early 20's one time....
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Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 02:21:00 AM
this is 'divorced'

I dont think anyone here is saying all men are bad. But we have all been taught we were somehow 'less than' for being born female. It can really leave scars. And most men have been given the message that they are 'better' than women in some ways. Our society is bad enough, but we had the double-whammy of Roloff's fundamental attitudes forced on us.

Personally I have male friends who are great guys. But I can say 100% of men I've been married to (and that totals one man) were hateful decieving mindless thugs and I appreciate the empathy.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 10:35:00 AM
Well God did make woman because he fucked up on the men.... He couldn't find anything else useful to take from them so he took the rib. :lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 10:35:00 AM
Well God did make woman because he fucked up on the men.... He couldn't find anything else useful to take from them so he took the rib. :lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 10:42:00 AM
WHAT? :roll:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 11:36:00 AM
Don't delete this because it looks weird. Believe it or not you can read it ...

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid !  Aoccdrnig to rscheearch taem at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteers be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Such a cdonition is arppoiately cllaed Typoglycemia :smile:-

Amzanig huh? Yaeh and yuo awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt




Shane Bewley
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Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
A bit of lost history... ::fuckoff::
 

History of the Middle finger salute

Well, now......here's something I never knew before, and now that I
know it, I feel compelled to send it on to my more intelligent friends
in the hope that they, too, will feel edified. Isn't history more fun
when you know something about it?

Giving the Finger

Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory
over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured
English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to
draw the renowned English longbow and therefore they would be
incapable of fighting in the future.

This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree, and
the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew"
(or "pluck yew"). Much to the bewilderment of the French, the
English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving
their middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, "See, we can
still pluck yew!

"PLUCK YEW!"

Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say, the difficult consonant
cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental
fricative 'F', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the
one-finger-salute! It is also because of the pheasant feathers on
the arrows used with the longbow that the symbolic gesture is
known as "giving the bird."

And yew thought yew knew everything
 ::deal::
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Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2005, 03:58:00 PM
interesting!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2005, 07:27:00 AM
Little hard to look at the finger the same. :nworthy:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2005, 08:12:00 PM
Guts or balls
 
We've all heard about people having guts or balls. But do you really know the difference between them? In an effort to keep you informed, the definition for each is listed below...
 
GUTS - is arriving home late after a night out with the guys, being assaulted by your wife with a broom, and having the guts to ask: "Are you still cleaning, or are you flying somewhere?"
 
BALLS - is coming home late after a night out with the guys, smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife on the rear and having the balls to say: "You're next."
 
I hope this clears up any confusion on the subject.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 03:53:00 AM
A little something I learned in College Biology recently. This is the truth so check it out if you doubt me.

Humans have 46 chromosomes. Half come from mom; half from dad, and they make 23 pairs. Scientists label chromosomes 1-22 by their size, 1 being the largest. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called the sex chromosomes and are unique. If someone is XX she a girl. If XY it's a boy. So just what is the difference between the X and Y chromosome?

A lot! Since the human genome project began a lot of gene sequence mapping has been done but it is far from complete. Scientists still do not know exactly how many genes are on most chromosomes. But they do know chromosomes 1-22 carry about the same number of genes per pair. However the Y chromosome carries a total of less than 10% of the X. (My text states 15 for the Y, about 2500 for the X). No wonder women are more complicated, huh?

Chromosomes are structures that carry specific genes. You can kind of think of them as spaces in a parking lot. Some parking lots are large with space for 3500 cars or more while others are small like the ones at McDonalds.

It is true, in sex linked disorders, such as hemophilia, color blindness, etc the faulty gene comes from the mother, but that is because dad?s Y gene had nothing at all to offer. If the baby is a girl, she gets 2 chances for a good gene. Hence there are very few color blind women, and so far none who have hemophilia.

Occasionally, when the first cell splits, a chromosome gets left out or things get jumbled. In almost every case nature sees this as incompatible with life aborts the fetus before mom even knows she was pregnant. A couple of notable exceptions are when there are three 21st chromosomes which results in a child born with tristomy 21, commonly called Down Syndrome.

If the X chromosome is missing, that leaves only the Y. Sorry guys; life is not possible with only a Y not paired with an X because about 2500 genes necessary for life are missing. What would have been a boy is spontaneously aborted, deemed terminally faulty by nature.  

BUT if the Y is missing and only an X remains, you end up with a live baby girl! This condition is called Turner syndrome. She is often unable to bear children and may have other minor physical abnormalities (such as being short or having minor skeletal abnormalities), but she usually has normal intelligence and is able to function perfectly well. The condition is not even usually noticeable.

Makes you wonder who is really stronger.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 10:27:00 AM
wow now that was educating.... i knew of the 23 chromozones and that they carried the genes but not the gene counts...and i knew of the X and Y factors...but i didnt know X could go full term without the Y..... nor did i know Y seldom is ever came to full term.....with this all in mind..... i am at awe......... understanding and knowing thru faith that christ is virgin born.... christ then had no .. no... Y.... and was born of course ...a  son....in deed god can do all things
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Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
and then there are the xxy babies.  it's also a syndrome.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 01:04:00 PM
::bwahaha2:: So when god created men he decovered trail and error......... Told ya! The only thing they where good for was that damn rib.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
Yes, there are XXX and XXXX and even XXY's and other rarer combinations. But the X chromosome is necessary for LIFE itself. True Y babies NEVER comes to term without the X. They would be missing too much genetic code to fully develop and survive.

There is another thing called a fragile X which resembles a Y.

Don't take that to mean Jesus had no X. In fact XXY people appear male, as do some other combinations. Since we can't do a DNA analysis on him we just can't know.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 08:33:00 PM
Dose it say anywhere what his type DNA was? I mean did anyone every go back to his tomb and find anything? One little hair probably would have helped they know such much these days. Has anyone ever asked or brought up a study on it.
Just curious? not being smart..Like to know these things. Just being cute earlier. lol...
I love science wanted to study it my whole life.
I'll go look it up and ck it out. Curious Is there gender in heaven I mean not physical but in some mental way? I mean do we stay what we are an eternaty? Probably stupid questions. But I just wonder? :smile:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2005, 12:08:00 PM
the scripture tells us that their is neither male nor female in heaven...it also tells us we will be known as we are known.....i am sure modern science has tried to do forensics on the empty tomb of our CHRIST what if anything they found i have never found any commentary which has reported such activity..... like you i too wonder...knowing that science hushes any activity and evidence of GOD or CHRIST....
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Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2005, 07:22:00 PM
Do you think if they ever could get his DNA they would try to clone? The very thought of it makes me shiver. I believe science dose hush any evidence of Christ. On the other hand any so called evidence of God Not being God, they go at lengths to expose. And then it is just a theory.
It seems the more they try to the more they prove that he doesn't the more they prove he dose. And now that there is cloning, they want to believe or prove we are man made. When actually they have started something they can't finish because they can't prove where DNA was first born. Being crated by God dose not satisfy thier taste. Personally I do not believe man will ever be able to create our cell. Clone it already have, create it no.
I think it is what they are looking for in space. They have proof of water and that other things existed but not mans cell, Much less another man.                                    I wonder what it means to be known as we are known? How we will see each other in heaven? If God sees fit to let me go to heaven, I wonder if I will be known by my little girl. Actually I would be satisfied with just a glimpse of her in all her glory, to have never known sin.
Then sometimes it frightens me the very thought of her looking upon me with all my sins, even more God- with all that I have done. To be known as we are known? Wow I never read that. I make Jokes but I very much believe in God. Do Fear and Love him. My sense of humor sometimes get the best of me, But it is what has carried me through my hardest times. It seems I have been given the ability to laugh at most things, instead of cry. But when I do cry it ideally is not about me but for someone else, For those who can not help themselves. As for those who can and don't? I have to take the 5th on that one. Perhapes I should pray a little harder for that one. :smile:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2005, 02:25:00 AM
its sad the mixed messages we get from pastors .... but the preaching of the cross is simple.....christ came... lived .. was sacrificed on the cross for our sin... died... was buried... rose to life on the 3rd day.... seen among men... and rose to the right hand of god 4o days after rising from the tomb... all this... so that we.. when we come to HIM surrendering ourselves to HIM believing that HE IS and IS the living SON OF GOD..may at that very moment be redeemed from our sin... freed from our sin... and at the very moment washed by his blood(that paid for that sin) making us free from sin... birthing us anew... as children of god... because of the blood over our sin... god can not see our sin... that is not to say we dont sin.. but if we do CHRIST becomes our attorney pleading his blood over the sin...which is why we daily surrender ourselves in prayer... once the blood is over our sin... that sin is never remembered... so in effect when we die... we die in christ who bought our sin.. therefore we appear in heaven as tho sinless  because we surrendered ourselve to HIM and were reborn INTO HIM... king david said.. when his infant son died .. he cant come to me but i will go to him... i believe then that yes you and ur lil girl will know each other... and she will know you are her mom.... she wont however know anything about ur sin because once in heaven you will have no sin... no sin can enter heaven... which is why christ shed his blood .. so we can have a way to heaven... but he wont force us to accept and surrender ourselve... that is for each individual to decide for him/her self....satan loves bring up things that god has forgotten.... but we must remember they are forgiven or buried beneath the blood of the cross so if god because of the blood of his son over that sin has forgotten our sin... why then do we allow satan to shake what god has forgotten in our faces.... prehaps because we havent forgiven ourself... but if god forgives us... then why is it we of all people dont forgive ourself....forgive and forget are two different things to mankind .... to god forgive and forget are one and the same...... and once we enter heaven we too will not remember... because christ wipes it all away... with all the tears he wipes away when we all get to heaven.... so once in prayer to god with our shortcommings... we must learn not to pick them up but leave them with god.... than when satan shakes it in our face... we can in effect stick our tongues at satan... saying ... dude... i dont know what you talking about.... that persons died at the cross go away before i tell my DADDY you bothering me....lolol no easy at first... but once done couple times it gets easier ... it also tees satan off....
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Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2005, 01:39:00 PM
::dove::  :smile:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2005, 01:54:00 PM
So will he forgive the taking of another mans life? That started as self defence, because I was beaten so badly? But ended up being an accident? Would he do that? Or am I damned to hell? :???: Because he is not the only one who died that day, I did too. It has been my hell since.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2005, 04:03:00 PM
Been to the ?record room?, huh? I guess we all have to deal with who we are, and what we have done in our lives. I?m no saint, but I don?t have the fear and dread you describe. Did once, it came from all the self-effacing humbling preaching, but I decided it is more important, and MUCH better for my mental health to forgive myself for being human and remember we create each moment. We touch others daily. Life is a dynamic thing and we touch people in tiny ways we may not even remember that can effect major decisions someone else makes. We were not given the power to see the effects of our actions directly in most cases. I believe in just living my life honestly.

I mean, what is all this 'sin' business? Guess I am really a far cry from the girl who left the Rebekah home. But I?m tired of someone else defining 'sin' for me. I am an honest, decent person who makes mistakes. I refuse to shiver in my panties worrying about what judgment God is going to dole out to me for thinking for myself. I don?t try to ?lead people to the Lord? (although I?m not condemning that) but to show Creator?s love. A lot of people, like myself, have been hurt badly by people who claim to be ?Christains? and then show anything BUT Christ love.

In my disgust, I?ve let religion go. Ask me if I?m saved and I?ll say, whatever jargon you want to call it does not matter to me. What matters is not someone saying the right words, but what is in the heart. If you had an auto accident, for instance and someone was killed, that seems to fall into the shit happens category. Don?t understand why so many bad things happen to people. Just know that this world does not make sense and it is best to trust that there is an intelligent, loving source who will make sense of it all in the end.

 In my humble opinion, I don?t see that it would matter much if we COULD clone Jesus (or Einstein or Hitler). All you would get is genetic make-up that would trace his physical heritage. It seems to me, all our bodies are is a vehicle for the spirit anyway. Some people have intelligence, musical ability, etc, but what really defines someone is not as much the vehicle we enter the world in, but what we do with it. We can develop our bodies and our talents, but it takes spirit and will to do so.

My conscience does not exist to beat me into submission, but to operate like an internal compass that keeps me heading pretty much in the right direction. And if I wander a little, no big deal...we are all human. Even the planets wander a little in their orbits. The tsunami made the earth wander a bit on it?s axis.

The important thing is be on track. What is 'on track'? I think each person must define that for themselves. We were given brains, intuition and spirit that can guide each of us. If I screw up really bad, I might feel the need to make some reparation of some sort, or may have to suffer some consequences but God is still in control. If I wake up in the morning alive, there must be a reason I?ve been given another day to live. God is REALLY big. I don't think we mere mortals could even grasp how big.

I love science. Science is man's search for Truth. If a scientific FACT goes against something I believe in, something needs revising, and it is sometimes my belief system. Spiritual growth comes from all kinds of sources. Other times, the science is flawed and it gets revised eventually. The whole evolution vs. creation argument seems silly to me, because in the end we ARE here, it IS a miracle, and however it happened is really not the point. Some day people may understand the details of how we got here, but it won?t take away the miracle of it all.

I don?t think feeling guilty does anything positive for you unless you are doing something you need to change. Personally, it upsets me to see how much guilt has been doled out by pastors and priests. If I?m gonna feel guilty, by damn it is going to be for something I did, not for BEING who I am. I choose to live my life with eyes as open as possible, love myself, others and my Creator as much as possible, then get up the next day and try to do it better learning each day.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
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On 2005-12-10 10:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So will he forgive the taking of another mans life? That started as self defence, because I was beaten so badly? But ended up being an accident? Would he do that? Or am I damned to hell? :???: Because he is not the only one who died that day, I did too. It has been my hell since."
 
yes dear..... it too is under the blood.... no one remembers it in heaven.... and when you get there you wont either..... so fogive dear and live on .....
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Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
In my disgust, I?ve let religion go. Ask me if I?m saved and I?ll say, whatever jargon you want to call it does not matter to me. What matters is not someone saying the right words, but what is in the heart. If you had an auto accident, for instance and someone was killed, that seems to fall into the shit happens category. Don?t understand why so many bad things happen to people. Just know that this world does not make sense and it is best to trust that there is an intelligent, loving source who will make sense of it all in the end.
its good to let religion go.... religion is tradition and has really little to do with god and ur heart.... why things bad happen to good peeps.... i dont know dear.... some things because of choices we make ... some things because of choices others make... and some things we wont know till we look in the MASTERS FACE....
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Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
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On 2005-12-10 13:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Been to the ?record room?, huh? I guess we all have to deal with who we are, and what we have done in our lives. I?m no saint, but I don?t have the fear and dread you describe. Did once, it came from all the self-effacing humbling preaching, but I decided it is more important, and MUCH better for my mental health to forgive myself for being human and remember we create each moment. We touch others daily. Life is a dynamic thing and we touch people in tiny ways we may not even remember that can effect major decisions someone else makes. We were not given the power to see the effects of our actions directly in most cases. I believe in just living my life honestly.



I mean, what is all this 'sin' business? Guess I am really a far cry from the girl who left the Rebekah home. But I?m tired of someone else defining 'sin' for me. I am an honest, decent person who makes mistakes. I refuse to shiver in my panties worrying about what judgment God is going to dole out to me for thinking for myself. I don?t try to ?lead people to the Lord? (although I?m not condemning that) but to show Creator?s love. A lot of people, like myself, have been hurt badly by people who claim to be ?Christians? and then show anything BUT Christ love.



In my disgust, I?ve let religion go. Ask me if I?m saved and I?ll say, whatever jargon you want to call it does not matter to me. What matters is not someone saying the right words, but what is in the heart. If you had an auto accident, for instance and someone was killed, that seems to fall into the shit happens category. Don?t understand why so many bad things happen to people. Just know that this world does not make sense and it is best to trust that there is an intelligent, loving source who will make sense of it all in the end.



 In my humble opinion, I don?t see that it would matter much if we COULD clone Jesus (or Einstein or Hitler). All you would get is genetic make-up that would trace his physical heritage. It seems to me, all our bodies are is a vehicle for the spirit anyway. Some people have intelligence, musical ability, etc, but what really defines someone is not as much the vehicle we enter the world in, but what we do with it. We can develop our bodies and our talents, but it takes spirit and will to do so.



My conscience does not exist to beat me into submission, but to operate like an internal compass that keeps me heading pretty much in the right direction. And if I wander a little, no big deal...we are all human. Even the planets wander a little in their orbits. The tsunami made the earth wander a bit on it?s axis.



The important thing is be on track. What is 'on track'? I think each person must define that for themselves. We were given brains, intuition and spirit that can guide each of us. If I screw up really bad, I might feel the need to make some reparation of some sort, or may have to suffer some consequences but God is still in control. If I wake up in the morning alive, there must be a reason I?ve been given another day to live. God is REALLY big. I don't think we mere mortals could even grasp how big.



I love science. Science is man's search for Truth. If a scientific FACT goes against something I believe in, something needs revising, and it is sometimes my belief system. Spiritual growth comes from all kinds of sources. Other times, the science is flawed and it gets revised eventually. The whole evolution vs. creation argument seems silly to me, because in the end we ARE here, it IS a miracle, and however it happened is really not the point. Some day people may understand the details of how we got here, but it won?t take away the miracle of it all.



I don?t think feeling guilty does anything positive for you unless you are doing something you need to change. Personally, it upsets me to see how much guilt has been doled out by pastors and priests. If I?m gonna feel guilty, by damn it is going to be for something I did, not for BEING who I am. I choose to live my life with eyes as open as possible, love myself, others and my Creator as much as possible, then get up the next day and try to do it better learning each day.

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I think sometimes we are harder on ourselves than other people, or at least I am. I expect much more from me then even other people do. At times I even over do, guilty for never leaving well enough alone. Everything must have a place, I like all the pieces to fit, and if they don't? Then I must find out what went wrong. I have the overwhelming urge to take it all apart and put it back togather until it works, On top of that I seem to be my own worst enemy. Forgiving my self has never come easy for me. Forgiving other people piece of cake. I love and trust most people whole hearted so if they hurt me it runs deep. I jump into things with all fours be it good or bad. It is all the way or nothing with me. Nothing is Black and white for me, There is always room for change there is always another color to try or another direction to take. And if at the end of that road I discover something grate I will go get everyone I love to share it. Wining the lotto would do me no good because I would probably give it all away. I have never been a selfish person. I am an open book, Yet few really read me or know me.
A lot of people will skim over the pages, But no has ever took the time to do nothing more than scratch the surface. Some view me as a algebra book-I am much to complicated to learn.
And way too much trouble.
I believe as you do, that we do create each moment in our life's, I also believe we can be blindsided by the moments others take from our life's. Unfortunately are not refundable. As for the moments we give- priceless! I believe everything we do effects the people around us love them or not even strangers. Living life honestly is a good thing but not always an easy thing. Most truths are somethings people flat refuse to see. They don't want to know the complicated versions of ones life. It is to painful or they don't care or they simply love you to much to know truths.
They want an easy button. Rose colored glasses.
I respect you for the girl who left Rebekah and what seems to me- did not let it drown you and have risen above. I think it is awesome that you are a capable person who thinks for them self, acknowledges that you have flaws takes responsibility for them and still feel proud at the end of the day that you did your very best.
Most people can not be in the same room with themselves because they don't like themselves. Thing is the more they don't like themselves the more they blame everyone else for thier misery.
Of course misery loves company, So they recruit others misery. Still miserable but now not alone.
I understand what you mean when you say it is hard to trust people claiming to be "Christians". It is hard for me to. Some of the meanest cruelest people I ever meet where calming to be Christians! It is too bad  there is not another name for them! All though what comes to my mind is hypocrite, In the worst sense of the word.
I think religion falls in the same category as republican or democrat "They are all lie-rs"! I find comfort in your words" What matters is not someone saying the right words, but what is in the heart. Don?t understand why so many bad things happen to people. Just know that this world does not make sense and it is best to trust that there is an intelligent, loving source who will make sense of it all in the end."
I understand what you are saying, When you say if someone dies in an auto accident "Shit Happens" I take it to meaning it was an accident and I should let it go. I should, I know...I think when bad things happen we all tell ourselves- What if I would have done this or that? There has been a lot of what ifs in my life. I am sure there is a lot of things we would have all done differently if we could have had a second chance. I know I would have.
Gwd I wish it was as simple as that. We are all held accountable for our actions. Unfortunately
our actions not only hurt us but effect others also. Which has been the hardest part for me.
He had a mother and dad brother and sister and friends and I fifteen year old girl who was pregnant by him, so probably a child to that I am held accountable for hurting. And there just are no words for what it has felt like to face them. I have found it debilitating and has crippled not only me but them for life.
My biggest regret is that  I wish it would of been him taking my life instead  me taking his.
Even though it was a accident, It doesn't change that it still happened. His last words to me where that he knew I did not mean to do it. I still don't feel that lets me off the hook.
I believe he took my little girls life Yet I still can not muster up the strength to forgive myself. It feels like a bad bad dream. It is still hard to believe it happened. He was my first love. I never thought or could imagine this would or could happen. I have had it for breakfast lunch and super since I was 21. Remorse dose not even come close to the regret I feel. My conscience dose beat be into submission. It is like a monster under my bed.
No body sees it but me. As for my internal compass I trust it with all my might. It is the only thing left that no one could take from me.
I must trust myself in that I am headed in the right direction. And as I get older I have found it to be quite handy. My instincts are usually right on. I listen and pay attention to them.
Didn't when I was young. Do Now.
I also believe it is important to stay on track. But every now and again I run out of power steering fluid, If you know what I mean, I can still stear but it is hard to hold the wheel.
Like you said God is in control and when I can't hold on the wheel he has always taken it and gave me a safe place to fall. He has carried me through a lot. He is all that I trust. As for everyone else I would be lying if I said I did not sleep with one eye open, I do. Most times when people think you are sleeping reveal their true self's. I have learned a lot from leaving one eye open. I think we have all danced with someone who has stepped on our toes and if they ask us to dance again we know that they are again going to step on our toes but we still let them.
I am true at heart and believe that most things are not intentional, However happen still the same.
I will take your advise that nothing positive can come out of feeling guilty.Well other than learning from it of course. But is good advise Thank-You. You are a good writer friend. But you know what makes a grate writer is a grate listener. Thank-You again for taking the time to listen without judging. I do not know you but will remember the stranger that took the time to hear me really hear me and offer good advise.
You have a wonderful out look on life and are inspiring. I am better for meeting you even if just once.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
shove me in the shallow waters
before I get to deep
What I am
is what I am
are you what you are or what?
    Edie Brickell

We are discussing a very complicated subject.  If anyone knew the answers, life would be so much easier, wouldn't it?
But life is what it is.  It throws good and bad at us and the difference is our attitude towards it.  We learn through our mistakes, we benefit through our victories.  All we can do is say, I will become better even now.  Be a good neighbor, treat others as you want to be treated.  This is a truth found in all religions.  It's very basic, and very hard to follow sometimes.  just be at peace with yourself and your creator.  that is what will make you sleep well at night.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 03:22:00 AM
No, no condemnation from here. I just feel sad about what happened and how badly it hurt you. I'm glad you can see, at least, that what happened was not intentional. It sounds like you were forced into a corner and acted like God designed us to act. What I mean is, self-defense is an instict, not a choice! I don't think any loving God would hold you eternally accountable for something that was out of your control.

I would change MANY things if I had them to do over, but all we can do is make the best decissions we know how at the time we make them. Have I ever been blindsided? YES. For one, I'd sure never have married MY ex. I would have been more sensitive to people and done more for others too. AND LEARNED HOW TO STAND UP FOR MYSELF! (opps, sorry for yellin'; that's my sopbox ::armed:: I'm goin' in with firepower (in real life, lawyers) to force him to abide by what little I did get in the divorce agreement. He will be very surprised.

And I dont feel the least bit guilty for standing up for myself either. In fact I would feel guilty if I just rolled over and played dead. That would only allow the evil in him to win. So join the rest of the imperfect human race. We need good people, and were all learning.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 05:38:00 AM
go get him! what divorced and he what! the audacity! throw the book at him and everthing else throwable... throught attorney of course!!! and stand tall.... it is indeed a new day... a new world... your new day... your new world!!!  just never forget it came by god's grace or you'd still be in the old one!  i adore your convictions to stand strong... and you have my prayers in you indevour... been there .. done that... it wasnt easy!!! had no one to stand by me, no one to encourage me, no one to talk to about it...just god.... not even an attorney.... just god... that one went to the big jail and year later so did the other.... another i didnt even bother with and life gave him a worse hand than it did me....i'm not bragging... its an awful thing to see god's vengence on another humam being...yeah i know i left out many details but we all here been threw enough hell or seen enough hell or been in deep enough hell to paint that picture and it not be far from wrong.... i am very thankful that regardless of the where or how or why... the god has been faithful and has been there even tho i couldnt see it at time...it is that faithfulness ... god's faithfulness ... that allows me the sanity of mind to be able to sit where i sit with the health i have... do i have regrets... yes.... do i fight memories i would rather never remember ... yes.... but i have found out too that i have the ablility to either bathe in it or shake myself loose of it and thank god for his mercy and grace to be able to take my next breathe... take another step to a better life ... and prayerfully bathe in the strengths and grace god has been so unwarrantedly blessing me with..... for me it clears away the ugly.... and allows me LIGHT to continue to live...my days are numbered but i can say i have lived them fully regrets and all...all i have asked my FATHER for of late was to be able to make or say a difference in someones life in a way no one did for me....pray to share a smile..let in a ray of SONLIGHT .. where only darkness appears...give back a bit a pride where pride had been stolen....having done this then i can reach THE LIGHTS OF HOME with a smile and know HE'LL BE THERE ARMS WIDE OPEN  to help me across THE SHINING SEA....   thanks  A
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Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 10:34:00 AM
Thanks Friend..... :smile:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 10:53:00 AM
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"So will he forgive the taking of another mans life? That started as self defence, because I was beaten so badly? But ended up being an accident? Would he do that? Or am I damned to hell? :smile:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 10:53:00 AM
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On 2005-12-10 10:54:00, Anonymous wrote:


"So will he forgive the taking of another mans life? That started as self defence, because I was beaten so badly? But ended up being an accident? Would he do that? Or am I damned to hell? :smile:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 10:55:00 AM
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On 2005-12-15 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"shove me in the shallow waters

before I get to deep

What I am

is what I am

are you what you are or what?

    Edie Brickell



We are discussing a very complicated subject.  If anyone knew the answers, life would be so much easier, wouldn't it?

But life is what it is.  It throws good and bad at us and the difference is our attitude towards it.  We learn through our mistakes, we benefit through our victories.  All we can do is say, I will become better even now.  Be a good neighbor, treat others as you want to be treated.  This is a truth found in all religions.  It's very basic, and very hard to follow sometimes.  just be at peace with yourself and your creator.  that is what will make you sleep well at night.

"


Now hwy did you go and do that? That song has been stuck in my head all night :exclaim:  :wink:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 10:59:00 AM
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On 2005-12-10 14:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"In my disgust, I?ve let religion go. Ask me if I?m saved and I?ll say, whatever jargon you want to call it does not matter to me. What matters is not someone saying the right words, but what is in the heart. If you had an auto accident, for instance and someone was killed, that seems to fall into the shit happens category. Don?t understand why so many bad things happen to people. Just know that this world does not make sense and it is best to trust that there is an intelligent, loving source who will make sense of it all in the end.

its good to let religion go.... religion is tradition and has really little to do with god and ur heart.... why things bad happen to good peeps.... i dont know dear.... some things because of choices we make ... some things because of choices others make... and some things we wont know till we look in the MASTERS FACE.... "


Say it but don't spray it :lol:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 05:28:00 PM
Ultimate Power!
The most powerful liquid in the world!

A little boy was sitting on the curb with a gallon of turpentine and shaking it up and watching all the bubbles. A little while later a Priest came along and asked the little boy what he had. The little boy replied, "This is the most powerful liquid in the world, it's called turpentine."

The Priest said, "No, the most powerful liquid in the world is Holy Water. If you take some of this Holy Water and rub it on a pregnant women's belly, she'll pass a healthy baby."
The little boy replied, "You take some of this here turpentine and rub it on a cat's butt and he'll pass a Harley Davidson."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 05:31:00 PM
The only way I will go to the shinning sea is if I can take my fishing pole. :razz:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 05:56:00 PM
The little girl builder  :rofl:

"Here's a truly heart-warming story about the bond formed between a little 5 year old girl and some construction workers that makes you believe that we CAN make a difference when we give a child the gift of our time..."
A young family moved into a house, next door to a vacant lot.
One day a construction crew turned up to start building a house on the empty lot.

The young family's 5-year-old daughter naturally took an interest in all the activity going on next door and spent much of each day observing the workers.

Eventually the construction crew, all of them gems-in-the-rough, more or less adopted her as a kind of project mascot. They chatted with her, let her sit with them while they had coffee and lunch breaks, and gave her little jobs to do here and there to make her feel important.


 
At the end of the first week they even presented her with a pay envelope containing a couple of dollars.

The little girl took this home to her mother who said all the appropriate words of admiration and suggested that they take the two dollar "pay" she had received to the bank the next day to start a savings account.

When they got to the bank, the teller was equally impressed and asked the little girl how she had come by her very own pay-check at such a young age. The little girl proudly replied, "I worked last week with the crew building the house next door to us."

My goodness gracious," said the teller, "and will you be working on the house again this week, too?"

The little girl replied, "I will if those assholes at Home Depot ever deliver the fucking sheet rock..."

Kind of brings a tear to the eye
 :rofl:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2005, 10:05:00 PM
Well, guess I didn't share any of the background behind the divorce. But vengance is not exactly the word. And I dont know where God is in this, but I don't believe in praying for things to miraculously work out, but doing what I have to do.

I was bullied into the divorce because ex decided he wanted to move his girlfriend (who I did not know existed)into our home. I was naive and in shock at the things the man I had called my husband for so long was doing. He had planned stuff behind my back and when I finally saw what whas coming down I didn't know what to do. I ended up with crappy representation, so he kept nearly everything and I got out with my life. (That is a long story I don't care to share).

I was able to live with that, but when he chose to ruin the rest of my life because he wanted MORE, it became time to quit being nice. One thing he did was take out a second mortgage on our very expensive house instead if putting it in his name as agreed, and he used part of the money to take the girlfriend to Europe. So I'm stuck with his huge debts on my credit, more than I could ever pay off. I must fight him in court or declare bankrupcy. There is more, there is always more in cases like this, but I'm not out for revenge...revenge is what you do when you desire to get even. The ex is trying to squash the life out of me so he does not have to pay alimony and I'm fighting to survive.

Just had the crash course in survival of the fittest, and nobody else give a shit.

Not that I expect you or anyone to give a rat's ass about my stupid problems, but I can choose to run away from them or fight. I choose to fight.

The girls home certainly never prepared me for this. Nice obedient wives don't have this happen do they? The answer is Yes! We were not prepeared for the real world and now I'm having to learn hard lessons.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2005, 05:37:00 AM
yeah  i know the feeling... call me sometimes or come by my place ... will tell ya about it... love ya.... A




Quote
On 2005-12-19 19:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Well, guess I didn't share any of the background behind the divorce. But vengance is not exactly the word. And I dont know where God is in this, but I don't believe in praying for things to miraculously work out, but doing what I have to do.



I was bullied into the divorce because ex decided he wanted to move his girlfriend (who I did not know existed)into our home. I was naive and in shock at the things the man I had called my husband for so long was doing. He had planned stuff behind my back and when I finally saw what whas coming down I didn't know what to do. I ended up with crappy representation, so he kept nearly everything and I got out with my life. (That is a long story I don't care to share).



I was able to live with that, but when he chose to ruin the rest of my life because he wanted MORE, it became time to quit being nice. One thing he did was take out a second mortgage on our very expensive house instead if putting it in his name as agreed, and he used part of the money to take the girlfriend to Europe. So I'm stuck with his huge debts on my credit, more than I could ever pay off. I must fight him in court or declare bankrupcy. There is more, there is always more in cases like this, but I'm not out for revenge...revenge is what you do when you desire to get even. The ex is trying to squash the life out of me so he does not have to pay alimony and I'm fighting to survive.



Just had the crash course in survival of the fittest, and nobody else give a shit.



Not that I expect you or anyone to give a rat's ass about my stupid problems, but I can choose to run away from them or fight. I choose to fight.



The girls home certainly never prepared me for this. Nice obedient wives don't have this happen do they? The answer is Yes! We were not prepeared for the real world and now I'm having to learn hard lessons."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2005, 10:01:00 AM
http://groups.yahoo.com./group/thatreallysucks/ (http://groups.yahoo.com./group/thatreallysucks/) :grin:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2005, 10:03:00 AM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffalumni/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffalumni/)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2005, 09:19:00 PM
I get it now- L H Good luck to u if you ever need a friend-Blue [email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 12:27:00 PM
Hey Angie! You Fucking Bitch! You sent me and e-mail saying you changed your address and when I opened it it was a fucking virus!!!!!!!! I am reporting you bitch! I have not emailed you I think you are a cold hearted Bitch why would I?
Well now I hope every one sees to watch out for these people! They are a cult! A roloff shootoff cult! And watch your back around them They will fuck with your computer!!!!!I am turning you in angie This is against the law!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
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On 2005-12-23 09:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey Angie! You Fucking Bitch! You sent me and e-mail saying you changed your address and when I opened it it was a fucking virus!!!!!!!! I am reporting you bitch! I have not emailed you I think you are a cold hearted Bitch why would I?

Well now I hope every one sees to watch out for these people! They are a cult! A roloff shootoff cult! And watch your back around them They will fuck with your computer!!!!!I am turning you in angie This is against the law!"
angie who? :question:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 08:45:00 PM
Merry Christmas!
& Happy New Year!
May ya'll find peace in your heart.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2005, 02:19:00 AM
om:  [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:43:22 GMT
Subject:  hi, ive a new mail address
   
hey its me, my old address dont work at time. i dont know why?!
in the last days ive got some mails. i' think thaz your mails but im
not sure
plz read and check...
cyaaaaaaa
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2005, 02:23:00 AM
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On 2005-12-23 23:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"om:  [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])

Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:43:22 GMT

Subject:  hi, ive a new mail address

   

hey its me, my old address dont work at time. i dont know why?!

in the last days ive got some mails. i' think thaz your mails but im

not sure

plz read and check...

cyaaaaaaa

"
DO NOT CLICK ON!!!!! This contained a virus that I removed! when it says download or save to computer!!DON'T!!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2005, 02:23:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-12-23 23:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"om:  [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])

Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:43:22 GMT

Subject:  hi, ive a new mail address

   

hey its me, my old address dont work at time. i dont know why?!

in the last days ive got some mails. i' think thaz your mails but im

not sure

plz read and check...

cyaaaaaaa

"
DO NOT CLICK ON!!!!! This contained a virus that I removed! when it says download or save to computer!!DON'T!!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2005, 02:25:00 AM
Quote
DO NOT CLICK ON LINKS!!
On 2005-12-23 23:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"om:  [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])

Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:43:22 GMT

Subject:  hi, ive a new mail address

   

hey its me, my old address dont work at time. i dont know why?!

in the last days ive got some mails. i' think thaz your mails but im

not sure

plz read and check...

cyaaaaaaa

"
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2005, 10:01:00 PM
hey, I've gotten this type of e-mail before.  It probably wasn't angie sending it.  this virus will come from anyone that has you on their contact list, but it wasn't sent by them.  I once opened it and the way it was written was contrary to the writing style of that friend.  I thought it was strange, but then I got another one from a different friend and it said the same thing.  Let's not insult one another in here, please.
Yvette
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: GentleStormi on December 25, 2005, 10:40:00 AM
yes I have heard of these types of virus programs that are email programs, its sad that they even exist and create such havoc and hurt. And the email programs do run on their own, and it is not from the person but its a virus that goes and does its havoc without the person being even aware of it happening.

An E-mail virus comes into a personal email account and then has the ability to look through all the names in your email address book, and can send itself to others from you to them.

Check out these sites:
Viruses Spread by Email
http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/email/viruses/ (http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/email/viruses/)


How do viruses and worms spread in e-mail?
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question339.htm (http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question339.htm)


http://computer.howstuffworks.com/virus1.htm (http://computer.howstuffworks.com/virus1.htm)
Types of Infection

Viruses - A virus is a small piece of software that piggybacks on real programs. For example, a virus might attach itself to a program such as a spreadsheet program. Each time the spreadsheet program runs, the virus runs, too, and it has the chance to reproduce (by attaching to other programs) or wreak havoc.

E-mail viruses - An e-mail virus moves around in e-mail messages, and usually replicates itself by automatically mailing itself to dozens of people in the victim's e-mail address book.

So as you can see it is true that a virus as an "e-mail virus" has the capacity to automatically mail itself out to someone in ones address book.

it does not mean that Angie herself sent it out. Do your research and you may find that it is indeed an email virus.

Do not be so rash and quick and unthinking and set yourself to do harm to someone who was not doing you any harm.  Her very character and personality is not that way.
Angie, is one of the nicest and one of the most hardest working responsible persons I have ever run into in the Roloff Survivor world.  She has not one iota of a vicious bone in her, she is a very strong and healthy minded person. She is busy with her life and always doing things to improve herself and her life and she has not the excessive free time to sit around doing or even thinking up mean and vicious things, she is a busy person and enjoys life and her friends.

How sad that others rashly and quickly assume that about her, this is one of the problems with a lot of people who frequent this very unsafe forum called fornits, they are all quick to assume and fast to jump to a conclusion and speak rashly and speak with venom, and absolutely no prethought or insight or wisdom!


Seems I have read on here that some of the busiest readers and interacters on this fornits forum here  have also spoken that 'RebekahSurvivors' group is a cult.
What in the world is that supposed to mean?

A cult is a group that circles its world around one person and one ideology. That drains its people of their time, money and resources. That builds its empire from the sweat of its followers, and the followers do not benefit.

When a group decides not to let some people in, that only means that it is working to create a specific type of group. And to keep some of those out who are seen as unsafe persons who have not gained any reputation for being safe or trustworthy. Like the person who posted that venonmous post about Angie, that is what is not safe, and that is what hollers out loudly that this person who posted it does not think about how what they do effects another person, that kind of person is not a safe person.

That is all that goes into creating a safe group. How can you jump then to assuming it is a cult. Some people here come across as very un-read and not knowing very much information about what a cult is and what a cult would do or not do. And appear not very well informed nor educated enough to know what a cult looks like though they went through one in Roloffs.

People in 'RebekahSurvivors' group are free to express their opinions and free to live their lives. The group does not demand them to put aside their life and it does not demand that everyone drop their beliefs and follow one persons ideas. It also has a safety net that creates a safe place where noone is permitted to flame and torch and attack anyone. Its a safe group. And it is built on the principles of safeness for those who are in the group. It is not a group where you come in and have to always watch your back for some embedded roach to jump out and attack you for what you do believe and feel, where as in here on fornits it is that way. One does not feel any rest here and no sense of feeling safe here. Its not a safe place to process with other survivors to help promote healing and foster positive outlooks. For you never know what vicious person will come and attack, and however hard it is for you and others to try to fathom it, some of the  survivors of Roloffs  want to be in a group setting where they all know one another and all interact and feel safe in doing it. How is that a cult, please do not accuse what you do not know a thing about obviously. Safe groups are not cults, they are safe groups that work on the principles of safty. Built that way by responsible and thinking persons who have put effort and thought into the group. Not a quick thrown together group that its very existence feels no real grounding or security.

If anyone would be interested in looking closer at the idea of the term of "cult" there is a very well documented and well researched website out at this site:

ICSA resources about psychological manipulation, cultic groups, sects, and new religious movements.

http://www.csj.org/ (http://www.csj.org/)
It is chock filled with information that is well researched and well documented and very balanced in thought about cults and all that goes into cults and what victims are in need of and how to help oneself if one is in a cult.


It also helps you to learn about the differences between a real science versus the quacks of psuedoscience.

GentleStormi
Moderator

RebekahSurvivors
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 25, 2005, 06:36:00 PM
i was a member of your group and was kicked out for being shy and uncertain about how to post.
without any notice, is that what you call a "safe place" as you described?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 25, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
This was the first of this sort of e-mail ever came to my mailbox.This person has done things- that really hurt me. Had that e-mail come from anyone else but her I would of caught it to be a hoax right off! When I first got the e-mail I thought grate maybe we can put things behind us. The I open It and it says I just got a virus that was blocked by my computer. I guess I am human! At least the last I looked I was....
Hey I blew! That can be a very expensive attack!
I have lost 2 computers because of virus attacks.
I took it as a very personal attack. It had her name on it, So I had no way of knowing that this was not her. And any of you out there if you had recived this sort of e-mail from someone you thought hated you then you would have got upset to.... My friends pointed out to me after I amde an ass of myself that It was a virus and I was wrong. I wanted to have my Christmas without futher being upset over this so was waiting till I could sit down and write Her I tell her I was wrong and made a mistake by clearly acussing her of something she did not do. So if you are reading I am very sorry for saying you did something you did not do. The thing that made me so mad about it was that I thought when I first read the first part of this email athat maybe she was being nice to me and we could put things behind us and then upon opening find out it is a virus, I thought she was playing a nasty cruel joke on me. So I blew. I guess because it hurt my feelings more than anything. I thought she was making fun of me. It was a fluke thing that it turned out it was just her on the first one I recived. I am a big enough person to admitt when I am wrong and I was wrong. KK?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 25, 2005, 10:08:00 PM
I am a big enough person to admitt when I am wrong and I was wrong. KK?..........kk from where i sit... takes a great person come in here and say they were wrong.... proud of yas.....A
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2005, 01:28:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-12-25 07:40:00, GentleStormi wrote:

"yes I have heard of these types of virus programs that are email programs, its sad that they even exist and create such havoc and hurt. And the email programs do run on their own, and it is not from the person but its a virus that goes and does its havoc without the person being even aware of it happening.



An E-mail virus comes into a personal email account and then has the ability to look through all the names in your email address book, and can send itself to others from you to them.



Check out these sites:

Viruses Spread by Email

http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/email/viruses/ (http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/email/viruses/)





How do viruses and worms spread in e-mail?

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question339.htm (http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question339.htm)





http://computer.howstuffworks.com/virus1.htm (http://computer.howstuffworks.com/virus1.htm)

Types of Infection



Viruses - A virus is a small piece of software that piggybacks on real programs. For example, a virus might attach itself to a program such as a spreadsheet program. Each time the spreadsheet program runs, the virus runs, too, and it has the chance to reproduce (by attaching to other programs) or wreak havoc.



E-mail viruses - An e-mail virus moves around in e-mail messages, and usually replicates itself by automatically mailing itself to dozens of people in the victim's e-mail address book.



So as you can see it is true that a virus as an "e-mail virus" has the capacity to automatically mail itself out to someone in ones address book.



it does not mean that Angie herself sent it out. Do your research and you may find that it is indeed an email virus.



Do not be so rash and quick and unthinking and set yourself to do harm to someone who was not doing you any harm.  Her very character and personality is not that way.

Angie, is one of the nicest and one of the most hardest working responsible persons I have ever run into in the Roloff Survivor world.  She has not one iota of a vicious bone in her, she is a very strong and healthy minded person. She is busy with her life and always doing things to improve herself and her life and she has not the excessive free time to sit around doing or even thinking up mean and vicious things, she is a busy person and enjoys life and her friends.



How sad that others rashly and quickly assume that about her, this is one of the problems with a lot of people who frequent this very unsafe forum called fornits, they are all quick to assume and fast to jump to a conclusion and speak rashly and speak with venom, and absolutely no prethought or insight or wisdom!





Seems I have read on here that some of the busiest readers and interacters on this fornits forum here  have also spoken that 'RebekahSurvivors' group is a cult.

What in the world is that supposed to mean?



A cult is a group that circles its world around one person and one ideology. That drains its people of their time, money and resources. That builds its empire from the sweat of its followers, and the followers do not benefit.



When a group decides not to let some people in, that only means that it is working to create a specific type of group. And to keep some of those out who are seen as unsafe persons who have not gained any reputation for being safe or trustworthy. Like the person who posted that venonmous post about Angie, that is what is not safe, and that is what hollers out loudly that this person who posted it does not think about how what they do effects another person, that kind of person is not a safe person.



That is all that goes into creating a safe group. How can you jump then to assuming it is a cult. Some people here come across as very un-read and not knowing very much information about what a cult is and what a cult would do or not do. And appear not very well informed nor educated enough to know what a cult looks like though they went through one in Roloffs.



People in 'RebekahSurvivors' group are free to express their opinions and free to live their lives. The group does not demand them to put aside their life and it does not demand that everyone drop their beliefs and follow one persons ideas. It also has a safety net that creates a safe place where noone is permitted to flame and torch and attack anyone. Its a safe group. And it is built on the principles of safeness for those who are in the group. It is not a group where you come in and have to always watch your back for some embedded roach to jump out and attack you for what you do believe and feel, where as in here on fornits it is that way. One does not feel any rest here and no sense of feeling safe here. Its not a safe place to process with other survivors to help promote healing and foster positive outlooks. For you never know what vicious person will come and attack, and however hard it is for you and others to try to fathom it, some of the  survivors of Roloffs  want to be in a group setting where they all know one another and all interact and feel safe in doing it. How is that a cult, please do not accuse what you do not know a thing about obviously. Safe groups are not cults, they are safe groups that work on the principles of safty. Built that way by responsible and thinking persons who have put effort and thought into the group. Not a quick thrown together group that its very existence feels no real grounding or security.



If anyone would be interested in looking closer at the idea of the term of "cult" there is a very well documented and well researched website out at this site:



ICSA resources about psychological manipulation, cultic groups, sects, and new religious movements.



http://www.csj.org/ (http://www.csj.org/)

It is chock filled with information that is well researched and well documented and very balanced in thought about cults and all that goes into cults and what victims are in need of and how to help oneself if one is in a cult.





It also helps you to learn about the differences between a real science versus the quacks of psuedoscience.



GentleStormi

Moderator



RebekahSurvivors







"



Well one thing that one would view un-safe is someone who would kick someone out of a group for doing nothing more than cussing, And not at anyone. I also view that as controlling. And unfair. You did not just remove them from the group but thier friends. I thought it to be harsh. But the thing that really bugged me about it, Was the fact that while I was going through a hard time and almost lost my boy, You  disrespected me by mailing me e=mailes about these people and saying bad things about them. In fact you e-mailed everyone in the group and said bad things about them. I thought it cruel that you would try to turn thier friends against them. That is when my first red flag went up. Because you did not care enough about me or what I was going through, and not burden me with all that. Plus threatening to close the group and did. I did not need to lose my group at that time, I needed my group and thier support. My boy was in a coma and almost died, My Gwd! I came home one day thinking he was going to die, He is my life!
Go to my group? No group? No friends? I want to know ? Did it ever at one point cross your mind that might hurt me? Has it ever? I was suppose to be your friend?                            Then You open chatzy and kick me out because Of doing nothing more than cutting up and You wanted to make it hard for people to get in, And I dare disagree with you. Plus you wanted me to join your group and I would not. Why? Ya think maybe it had to do with the fact that you shut the other one when I needed it most? I was really happy there. That was the 2nd group you closed with out any fore thought that it hurt the girls that you just shut the doors on without any warning. And split all the girls up again. And any that did not want to follow your rules was out. I left the rules a long time ago. You view the yahoo group as bad people and unsafe also.  There happen to be some good people in that group. People are allowed to voice thier opinions in there and you do not like it. Freedom of speech is not in your rule book. Wouldn't that be kinda like roloffs? The cult? Lets see????? You kicked another girl in the teeth practically By posting on your front page that her beliefs where not acceptable to you.
Because she believed in a goddess. You did not accept her for being a person but by what she believed. This person being the kindest dearest person I have met in a long time. She is more true at heart, forgiving decent a person than most that claim to be Christians, such as yourself who is not forgiving and judging.
Didn't roloff tell us how to believe and not to believe? You know the Cult? Did he not shut the world and people out that did not share his beliefs. Weren't people beaten and shunned for not sharing his beliefs? As you shunned her in front of the whole group? Do you not shut the world out from your group for not believing as you? Any one that is not willing to go by your hand written rule book is cast from your group.
doesn't a cult do that? There was a girl that came to your group that loves Roloff. You told her she did not belong there, She believed different from your narrow views. So what if she liked the man? He was kind to her. She has shown to me to be a good person and a very loving person. I do not care how she believes or who she loves, I accept her for who she is and that she loves. Well, Out she went! Yesterdays laundry to you! You didn't think twice about getting her out of your safe place. It is a controlled place!
If someone tries to join your group who is a good person and never did any thing to you, Then they can knock but they can't come in! Because they are being judged by what group they have been in. And I know for fact you have done this.
Don't you view the Bethesda group as un-safe?
 I know this for fact because you told me so.
Sounds like the whole world is unsafe? You wrote all my friends and said bad things about me. Some I kept some I lost, The ones I lost i guess never really where. What is different about you and I is I will say what ever it is in the open.
But you slither around like a sneaky snake and do it behind peoples backs. You attack from the back and blind side your victim's. All the while up holding your bible in one hand Claiming to be the all righteous Christian All the while hurting and judging others. You spew out verses of the bible Left and right. But you only use them for 2 reasons! To manipulate and to hurt! You abuse the bible in the worst way! Like the workers did at the home to your advantage. The Cult! It is people like you that do these things is why I do not want to be around most so called Christians.
I do not need a definition of what a cult is, There is one right here in front of me.
I won't stand for you scolding me or referring to me as Untrustworthy ,unsafe. no insight and no wisdom! The only word you left out was fucking!
True I made a mistake, I admitted I did, Un like you ever have! I call that a self righteous Hypocrite.
" A Cult is a group that circles its world around one person and one ideology"
Wouldn't that be someone dictating ones believes? Because I have seen plenty of that from you. You just substitute one word for another. Your ideology is that everyone who is not in your group is unsafe. Your Ideology is that one that dose not share your beliefs Is unsafe. Your Ideology is that your voice is the only one right voice.
Your ideology is that there must be one specific type of group and one only, Yours!
Your ideology is to infringe your views and religious hoopla on other people.
I felt your religious views where forced on me, and was very stressful for me. All the while calming love and huggles? You only loved me if you could control me. and you could not so I was of no use to you therefore rejected, Just as they did at the home. Maybe that is why,- how you hurt me hit so close to home cause you did to me what they did all the while claiming Love.
Have you ever stopped to think that things you do also effect other people and can sting.
Did you ever stop to think that is why I am so angry with yall? Had I of not had trust issues with yall,I wouldn't of thought it or posted it.
Don't you dare make me the exsample of why you don't let people in your group! I will not be your escape goat! Because I have seen you turn good decent people away that would never hurt a flea. It is because of your own issues.
I am in a good group where people do not attack each other and care about each other and Guess what no rules? They are good people who behave as adults. Thing is most of them You turned away.
I am here to tell ya, You missed out on some wonderful people. I love them and would do nothing to hurt any of them. They probably wish I weren't so outspoken sometimes, And if I am wrong or cross the line they will tell me because they are my friends, But you see that is the difference, You never where. And if they don't like what I have written here and now, They will let me know without beating me over the head the the bible or rejecting me,Because they are called friends.
I will end with saying, And cold it may well be,
But you can take G.S. out of the Home          But You can't take the home out of G.S.
When are you going to wake up? You still think like them, and treat people like them.
And if you think fornits is unsafe also, then don't come in here. There is freedom of speech here, and no controlling peoples conversations.
Again I am very sorry for what I did to Angie.
I made a mistake. I can admit it.
And if people don't like me for posting this, there is nothing I can do about that because it is how I feel...I can't control how others feel- and do not want to. I can listen and try to understand but control? Nope done learned that.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2005, 08:11:00 AM
it seems to me someone is always attacking someone else on this site. i have remained a silent reader up to this point.now that personal attacks have started up yet again, i felt the need to give an opinion, in hopes that i will not be attacked myself. this site was the first one that popped up in my search in looking for x roloff girls. the information starting on page one was amazing for me to find and read. as i have read every page here, this has turned into something that people may want nothing to do with.i am asking from one adult to another, to stop this nonsense and let this site be what it was intended to be, an informational helping site for those that are new on their journey in burrying the demons that the homes so graciously put in our heads.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
I would like to respond to your posts in hopes you do not view this as a personal attack.
I promise you I am not. You said yourself
"It seems someone is always attacking someone else on this site." From the very beginning of this forum, It has been about one person disagreeing with another. It has never been rainbows and flowers. No paper doll world here. From the very beginning it starts out where one girl says Hey I hated the home! And then another girl comes on and says Hey I loved it and resent what you are saying about it. The freedom to expression is what it has been all about. We have all been through different experiences, some good and some bad. So there are going to be disagreements. It is a given. Should personal attacks be left out? Sure! We are all human and make mistakes. Unfortunately, On fornits you can't take it back when things are said on the heat of the moment.  unfortunately -Somethings are etched in stone here.
All one can do is say I am sorry I made a mistake and move on. I personaly will work towards not doing that. I do not believe you where wrong for also expressing your feelings about this, And do respect your feelings and most certainly not mad because you did. I believe you mean well and are trying to keep the peace.  But please keep this one thing in mind, with freedom of expression, comes freedom to not listen or read. Please try not to take it personal. It is fornits after all.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2005, 04:07:00 PM
We all know what it feels like to feel guilty about something and many of us struggle with feeling guilty all the time. Guilt makes us feel that we are somehow unforgivable. While this experience is common, it is detrimental to our overall wellbeing. Feeling guilty generally promotes a sense of powerlessness-an anguished agonizing over a past action that cannot be changed. The problem with this is that it doesn't inspire us to forgive ourselves, make amends for mistakes, and move forward free of emotional baggage.

Originally, guilt referred to the fine paid for proven wrongdoing. Once you made the payment, in time or money, for what you had done, you were free-free of the sentence and free of the guilt. The problem with guilt as it is often experienced now is that it becomes a permanent state of mind for some people. In this case, it is a neurotic preoccupation rather than a fair assessment of wrongdoing followed by a course of action that leads to reparation.

It is part of the human experience to make mistakes and hurt others. There is no way to avoid this entirely, and wallowing in guilt will not help you or anyone else. It will not prevent future suffering. Understanding this is the first step towards liberating yourself from guilt.

If you are hanging onto guilt about something, the first thing I want you to do is practice compassion for yourself; you are human and you make mistakes. Compassion and self-forgiveness are much more effective than guilt in helping you determine a course of effective action. You may need to make an apology, or you may need to make some changes in yourself. Know that with each action you create healing for yourself and anyone you have hurt. Finally, learn from your mistakes, but never beat yourself up. Know that you are inherently good, love yourself, and always do your best. Then there will be no place for guilt in your life.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
Rebeka Home for Girls saved my life!I was so full of hate and shame when I went there that I probably would have become a serial killer or something if I hadn't gone.My hate was changed to love and I learned that the things I was so ashamed of were done to me  not by me and it was not my fault.Ater I left I still needed alot of healing for my emotional problems from childhood.So I hitchiked all over the United States looking for whatI wanted in life but kept finding what I DIDN'T. When I would see that I HAD GOTTEN into the wrong car and was going to be raped or hurt,THE scriptures we were forced to learn at Rebeka would start comming out of my mouth and the power of Gods word would miraculously deliver me out of that situation! THIS happened many times,I learned that GOD would always come to me when I cried out to Him and HE loves Rebekah girls very much!!  LINDA JOINER 76-77 rebekah girl and very proud and grateful for it!       :wave:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2005, 12:48:00 PM
I respect you for coming in here and taking your stand.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2005, 01:12:00 PM
You go baby you go get em! Tell em all about it! hehehe Hey who where you under? Cameron's Barrett's or Weatherfords?
We respect all views in our group!
Good or bad we support each other.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffalumni/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffalumni/)
 A always needs a friend.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2005, 01:19:00 PM
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On 2005-12-28 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

" Rebeka Home for Girls saved my life!I was so full of hate and shame when I went there that I probably would have become a serial killer or something if I hadn't gone.


Do you honestly believe this kind of shit?  Tell me your just exaggerating for effect, otherwise I'm going to have to change the official program mantra to deadinsaneinjailorserialkiller.  Mighty strong koolaid floating around these places.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2005, 04:38:00 PM
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On 2005-12-28 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:


" Rebeka Home for Girls saved my life!I was so full of hate and shame when I went there that I probably would have become a serial killer or something if I hadn't gone.



Do you honestly believe this kind of shit?  Tell me your just exaggerating for effect, otherwise I'm going to have to change the official program mantra to deadinsaneinjailorserialkiller.  Mighty strong koolaid floating around these places."


Careful!!! Not exactly holy ground around here..
Supporters get drug to the fornits town square and stoned to death. That is if you can survive the 100 daggers in your back about now. This be house of the flying daggers. Witches are burned at the steak. And non-supporter's are Tied to the back of pa pa's horse and drug to a secluded place on the farm and  buried  up to thier necks till they die and go blind from the chickens pecking thier eyes out.
If you give me a drink of your koolaid a will lend you my bullet proof jacket and throw in a trip to Waco?
I think a good name for the official program mantra should be changed to-
drugstabbedstonedbarriedorblindedkoolaid-drinking Wacobulletdodgingmotherfuckers. :wstupid:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
::jawdrop::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
Do you smell Ass? Because I thought I smelled Ass? :grin:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
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On 2005-12-28 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::jawdrop:: "

Yea you always find a good jaw dropper or breaker in here! Tickets anyone?
Jeepers Creepers!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
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On 2005-12-28 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:



" Rebeka Home for Girls saved my life!I was so full of hate and shame when I went there that I probably would have become a serial killer or something if I hadn't gone.





Do you honestly believe this kind of shit?  Tell me your just exaggerating for effect, otherwise I'm going to have to change the official program mantra to deadinsaneinjailorserialkiller.  Mighty strong koolaid floating around these places."




Careful!!! Not exactly holy ground around here..

Supporters get drug to the fornits town square and stoned to death. That is if you can survive the 100 daggers in your back about now. This be house of the flying daggers. Witches are burned at the steak. And non-supporter's are Tied to the back of pa pa's horse and drug to a secluded place on the farm and  buried  up to thier necks till they die and go blind from the chickens pecking thier eyes out.

If you give me a drink of your koolaid a will lend you my bullet proof jacket and throw in a trip to Waco?

I think a good name for the official program mantra should be changed to-

drugstabbedstonedbarriedorblindedkoolaid-drinking Wacobulletdodgingmotherfuckers. :wstupid: "


An't nothing like a corn fed farm girl to stir the pot! I hear a rap song yo. :nworthy:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
took nine years for me.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
I don't know anything about the rebekahsurvivors group, except that I wasn't allowed to join it.  I don't know who Gentlestormi is, but apparently she has a bad impression of me.  I have never attacked anyone on this forum, or on any forum for that matter.  I got kicked out of one group because I got involved with someone and it went sour, then she kicked me out.  I never harmed anyone because of it, although I was accused of it.  I said something in another goup about getting kicked out  and the girls in that group starting attacking them and I defended the group I had gotten kicked out of.  Of course, no one looked at the fact that I stopped the rock throwing also, just  that I mentioned it.  So if I'm seen as unsafe,, then I think it's a crock.  I never have torched anyone's beliefs or lifestyle.  I've never encouraged fights.  In fact, I'm usually the one asking for the fighting to stop.
Yvette
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 04:21:00 PM
hi linda please contact me at [email protected] trying to find anyone that was in rebekka in that yr.i was there my name is sandi
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 06:01:00 PM
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On 2005-12-28 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:


" Rebeka Home for Girls saved my life!I was so full of hate and shame when I went there that I probably would have become a serial killer or something if I hadn't gone.



Do you honestly believe this kind of shit?  Tell me your just exaggerating for effect, otherwise I'm going to have to change the official program mantra to deadinsaneinjailorserialkiller.  Mighty strong koolaid floating around these places."


I do..... I believe it with all my heart.... I do.....I put mushrooms in my kool aid.......what do you put in yours???? I really believe it......I do.....Remember that serial killer named the monster??? See what happen to her??? she should have been in the homes....Do you believe that??? I do I really do........I put on my 3 d glasses.....No effects....none......I am not exaggerating.... I am not.... I am really not....
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 06:10:00 PM
I was at Rebekah 29 years ago. 1976-77  The Camerons were running it then. It was so long ago  that I don't even remember who my roomates    were! I do remember two of my bathroomates names were Star and Dawn. They were cool. Another girl I remember is Brenda Adams we used to sing together all the time. And went on tours together I think. It's so hard to remember that long ago! Another name I remember is Melissa Hall. Angela Christie played guitar all the time and they took it from her when she played rock n roll. There were 300 girls there then. That's about all I can remember right now. Does any of tht ring a bell?                                                           Linda :roll:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
settle down! It was just a figure of speach!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
This is very true!! Vetty is always nice to everyone. She scolds me If I am a bad girl!
She has took up for that group. Safe is her middle name. she also is equipped with safety goggles shoes hat coat and a nifty rule book to keep us in line. And we love her soooo much!!
It doesn't get any better than that. :nworthy:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
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On 2005-12-29 15:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"settle down! It was just a figure of speach!"


Who has a good figure? Or sorry what was a figure of speech?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 09:02:00 PM
::bwahaha:: rulebook,safety goggles,hazmat.
Now thats funny!! You go Yvette!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 10:57:00 PM
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On 2005-12-29 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I was at Rebekah 29 years ago. 1976-77  The Camerons were running it then. It was so long ago  that I don't even remember who my roomates    were! I do remember two of my bathroomates names were Star and Dawn. They were cool. Another girl I remember is Brenda Adams we used to sing together all the time. And went on tours together I think. It's so hard to remember that long ago! Another name I remember is Melissa Hall. Angela Christie played guitar all the time and they took it from her when she played rock n roll. There were 300 girls there then. That's about all I can remember right now. Does any of tht ring a bell?                                                           Linda :roll: "


hi linda. as you see these people are too busy trying to one up one another with their smartass comments. are you a member of classmates or reunion.com? there are alot of 70s and 80s girls there.are you just now searching for your friends? have you had contact with anyone from your time? please excuse all of the arguing and stupid shit going on in here. too bad this is the first site that pops up in search.alot of the grown people in here argue like two kids in a sandbox. i did read your post and would like to  aid  you in your search in any way i can.  if you are not wary of posting email addy here, i'd rather email than have to filter through all the wasted posts in here, once a fight gets started, they go on for days. they have a tendency to get wrapped up in their crap and only respond back and forth to each other. i am old rebekah girl myself, so i understand about the loss of memory..lol..or maybe its my age. if ya need some help lemme know.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 12:27:00 AM
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On 2005-12-28 21:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"took nine years for me."



I have heard of the seven year itch is there a 9 year itch? Or 9 and a half weeks?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 01:16:00 AM
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On 2005-12-29 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:


"I was at Rebekah 29 years ago. 1976-77  The Camerons were running it then. It was so long ago  that I don't even remember who my roomates    were! I do remember two of my bathroomates names were Star and Dawn. They were cool. Another girl I remember is Brenda Adams we used to sing together all the time. And went on tours together I think. It's so hard to remember that long ago! Another name I remember is Melissa Hall. Angela Christie played guitar all the time and they took it from her when she played rock n roll. There were 300 girls there then. That's about all I can remember right now. Does any of tht ring a bell?                                                           Linda ::mecry:: Has anyone noticed? There can be some really hateful people come on here? Imagine that??
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 07:03:00 AM
i see only one hateful person in here , that feels the need to put their 2 cents in everytime someone posts.didn't your mother teach you-if you don't have nothing nice to say-don't say nothing at all. the only person that finds humor in what you say is yourself.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 07:09:00 AM
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On 2005-12-30 04:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"i see only one hateful person in here , that feels the need to put their 2 cents in everytime someone posts.didn't your mother teach you-if you don't have nothing nice to say-don't say nothing at all.

Don't know about his but my mother taught me to speak my mind.

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the only person that finds humor in what you say is yourself."


I thought it was funny.  :grin:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:03:00 AM
Hi Sandi,                                             You never said what year you were at Rebekah.                                             Also Ive  read alot about Sheri Compton being the p.e. teacher from hell. When I was there we went to school with her! What a trip! My older sister got sent there five times. Patsy(Patricia) Joiner. She was an artist and years later when I went in girls were still trading, buying and selling her paintings she made at the home. She  had a really bad time at the home. She ran many times and got caught but finally got away for good the last time she ran. The home did not help her at all. I dont know if she was ever abused but I know that she loved granny and papa weatherford. She just couldn't handle the captivity with hundreds of girls. I was never abused by anyone. But the severe lonliness was   unbearable. But then I got to go on tours and went home a month early and I made it. It never entered my mind that my stay there might have had some lasting bad effects on me  mentaly. Because I WAS ALREADY PRETTY MESSED UP already when I got there. Most of my mental and emotional problems now were   caused by the things I did after Rebekah. I barely even remember the abuses from my teen years. Just having two epileptic daughters is enough to keep me pretty traumatized on a regular basis!  I'm sorry.  I didn't mean to dump alot of negativity on you. I just don't ever get to talk to anyone adult except my husband as I am an anti-social person and don't really know how to make friends anymore.                                                  Ive really enjoyed someone talking to me.THANKS!                                                      LINDA ::bump::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
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On 2005-12-30 04:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"i see only one hateful person in here , that feels the need to put their 2 cents in everytime someone posts.didn't your mother teach you-if you don't have nothing nice to say-don't say nothing at all. the only person that finds humor in what you say is yourself."
[/quote/]Put the mirror down before it brakes!Are you going to leave my office or do I have to call security? By the way fornits gave me a raise to 5 cents for being so funny.
practice what you preach Is what my momma taught me!  ::boohoo:: I will give you your $20.00 If you will go find a street corner to stand
on. And here don't forget your sign that says
Please feed the trolls ::troll::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
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On 2005-12-30 04:03:00, Anonymous wrote:


"i see only one hateful person in here , that feels the need to put their 2 cents in everytime someone posts.didn't your mother teach you-if you don't have nothing nice to say-don't say nothing at all.



Don't know about his but my mother taught me to speak my mind.



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the only person that finds humor in what you say is yourself."





I thought it was funny.  :nworthy: Not worthy
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 11:13:00 AM
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On 2005-12-30 07:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hi Sandi,                                             You never said what year you were at Rebekah.                                             Also Ive  read alot about Sheri Compton being the p.e. teacher from hell. When I was there we went to school with her! What a trip! My older sister got sent there five times. Patsy(Patricia) Joiner. She was an artist and years later when I went in girls were still trading, buying and selling her paintings she made at the home. She  had a really bad time at the home. She ran many times and got caught but finally got away for good the last time she ran. The home did not help her at all. I dont know if she was ever abused but I know that she loved granny and papa weatherford. She just couldn't handle the captivity with hundreds of girls. I was never abused by anyone. But the severe lonliness was   unbearable. But then I got to go on tours and went home a month early and I made it. It never entered my mind that my stay there might have had some lasting bad effects on me  mentaly. Because I WAS ALREADY PRETTY MESSED UP already when I got there. Most of my mental and emotional problems now were   caused by the things I did after Rebekah. I barely even remember the abuses from my teen years. Just having two epileptic daughters is enough to keep me pretty traumatized on a regular basis!  I'm sorry.  I didn't mean to dump alot of negativity on you. I just don't ever get to talk to anyone adult except my husband as I am an anti-social person and don't really know how to make friends anymore.                                                  Ive really enjoyed someone talking to me.THANKS!                                                      LINDA ::bump:: "

Linda, So sorry to hear about your kids. My husband is epileptic. That is a really hard thing to go through alone I did for years. You must have a big heart. What year was your sister there? how is she now and who sold her paintings?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 11:16:00 AM
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On 2005-12-30 07:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hi Sandi,                                             You never said what year you were at Rebekah.                                             Also Ive  read alot about Sheri Compton being the p.e. teacher from hell. When I was there we went to school with her! What a trip! My older sister got sent there five times. Patsy(Patricia) Joiner. She was an artist and years later when I went in girls were still trading, buying and selling her paintings she made at the home. She  had a really bad time at the home. She ran many times and got caught but finally got away for good the last time she ran. The home did not help her at all. I dont know if she was ever abused but I know that she loved granny and papa weatherford. She just couldn't handle the captivity with hundreds of girls. I was never abused by anyone. But the severe lonliness was   unbearable. But then I got to go on tours and went home a month early and I made it. It never entered my mind that my stay there might have had some lasting bad effects on me  mentaly. Because I WAS ALREADY PRETTY MESSED UP already when I got there. Most of my mental and emotional problems now were   caused by the things I did after Rebekah. I barely even remember the abuses from my teen years. Just having two epileptic daughters is enough to keep me pretty traumatized on a regular basis!  I'm sorry.  I didn't mean to dump alot of negativity on you. I just don't ever get to talk to anyone adult except my husband as I am an anti-social person and don't really know how to make friends anymore.                                                  Ive really enjoyed someone talking to me.THANKS!                                                      LINDA ::bump:: "


There is No sandy that comes in here. Carful sometimes people can pretend to be other people around here.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 11:33:00 AM
::puke::  ::puke::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
Hell no we won't go
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 08:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::unhappy::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 08:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::puke::  ::puke:: "

You must be Emily Rose? I would get your autograph but you might puke on me. Maybe next time I can get it from one of the other demon's inside you. ::puke::  :scared:


Too bad Roloff didn't have exorcisms Maybe we would get some peace in here.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 05:38:00 PM
Oh man I saw that show :exclaim: That was a good show. So was 4 Brothers and the 40 year old virgin. That one was funny. :lol:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 07:38:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 14:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Oh man I saw that show ::bigsmilebounce::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 08:17:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 08:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-12-30 04:03:00, Anonymous wrote:


"i see only one hateful person in here , that feels the need to put their 2 cents in everytime someone posts.didn't your mother teach you-if you don't have nothing nice to say-don't say nothing at all. the only person that finds humor in what you say is yourself."

[/quote/]Put the mirror down before it brakes!Are you going to leave my office or do I have to call security? By the way fornits gave me a raise to 5 cents for being so funny.

practice what you preach Is what my momma taught me!  ::boohoo:: I will give you your $20.00 If you will go find a street corner to stand

on. And here don't forget your sign that says

Please feed the trolls ::troll:: "
too bad you have such a simple life that you claim fornits to be your office.you might as well pitch a tent and move in, because you seem to spend so much time here bad mouthing everyone that posts. how old are you anyway? i can only imagine how bad your attitude was when you were sent to the homes. it is quite apparant your mom didn't give you very good advice.is she the one that taught you about $20.00 whores and street corners?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 08:36:00 PM
Eat my freshly shaven, juicy pussy
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Eat my freshly shaven, juicy pussy"


 ::bwahaha2::  ::bwahaha::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 08:46:00 PM
::crybaby::                                       I'm outa here!!!!!!!!!! ::crybaby::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 17:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::crybaby::                                       I'm outa here!!!!!!!!!! ::crybaby:: "


Oooookey dokey!  Buh bye
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 09:12:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Eat my freshly shaven, juicy pussy"
Id love too!  ::bigmouth::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:21:00 PM
too bad you have such a simple life that you claim fornits to be your office.you might as well pitch a tent and move in, because you seem to spend so much time here bad mouthing everyone that posts. how old are you anyway? i can only imagine how bad your attitude was when you were sent to the homes. it is quite apparant your mom didn't give you very good advice.is she the one that taught you about $20.00 whores and street corners?

 Eat my freshly shaven, juicy pussy
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Someone needs to pitch a tent!!Just because a girl has a good experience at the home it dose not give you the right to bash her. You can not see past her experience and see the girl inside.
They are people that you know nothing about.
What comes to mind to me is that you are a rabbit dog! Someone shoots it and you wag it back. If it brought a positive experience to her life what do you care? You smell the blood and go get it! Fresh meat for you. It is your bullying that I stand against!It dose not feel good to be out of the loop for a lot of years and then find this forum with people like you in it. I want you to go get back on your corner back with the people who made you what you are and charged for it.I mean isn't that where the spot light is on you and only you. Little out of your element aren't you? I was sent to the home after getting raped, What is your excuse?
Didn't you even hear her? She said she was sent to the home because she deserved it? What did the home teach? That things where our fault! You couldn't stop for a second offer support and tell her it was not her fault things happen to her. Can't do that can you? Nope!! it is pond scum like you that scour this forum and suck the pain and hurt of the bottom of ones heart and feed on it and happily get fat on it. I am not like you! I have took up for many girls who have come on here that people like you anticipate the catch, and drool at thier very existence. Someone needs to make a stand against people like you.
No, My mom didn't teach me about the $20.00 whores on the street. Sorry! But since you asked It was the $20.00 tramps like you that came to the home, and taught me everything I did not ever want to be. Or will ever be!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:26:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:


Someone needs to pitch a tent!! Just because a girl has a good experience at the home it dose not give you the right to bash her. You can not see past her experience and see the girl inside.

They are people that you know nothing about.

What comes to mind to me is that you are a rabbit dog! Someone shoots it and you wag it back. If it brought a positive experience to her life what do you care? You smell the blood and go get it! Fresh meat for you. It is your bullying that I stand against!It dose not feel good to be out of the loop for a lot of years and then find this forum with people like you in it. I want you to go get back on your corner back with the people who made you what you are and charged for it.I mean isn't that where the spot light is on you and only you. Little out of your element aren't you? I was sent to the home after getting raped, What is your excuse?

Didn't you even hear her? She said she was sent to the home because she deserved it? What did the home teach? That things where our fault! You couldn't stop for a second offer support and tell her it was not her fault things happen to her. Can't do that can you? Nope!! it is pond scum like you that scour this forum and suck the pain and hurt of the bottom of ones heart and feed on it and happily get fat on it. I am not like you! I have took up for many girls who have come on here that people like you anticipate the catch, and drool at thier very existence. Someone needs to make a stand against people like you.

No, My mom didn't teach me about the $20.00 whores on the street. Sorry! But since you asked It was the $20.00 tramps like you that came to the home, and taught me everything I did not ever want to be. Or will ever be!"

Um, I think this...
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Eat my freshly shaven, juicy pussy

was in response to this, which appears to be posted by a program believer.  Who's bullying who?

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"too bad you have such a simple life that you claim fornits to be your office.you might as well pitch a tent and move in, because you seem to spend so much time here bad mouthing everyone that posts. how old are you anyway? i can only imagine how bad your attitude was when you were sent to the homes. it is quite apparant your mom didn't give you very good advice.is she the one that taught you about $20.00 whores and street corners?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:41:00 PM
I am not a program believer that is your excuse for everything COP OUT!! I am just sick  to my stomach that you judge a girl by her experience and not by her heart. I was only joking about the office thing! Pull your head out of your ass.
And as for the other remark? How old did you day you where by the way? Just because I empathy for her Dose not make me a believer in them I am a believer in her. And a non believer in you!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:44:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 19:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
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On 2005-12-30 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:



Someone needs to pitch a tent!! Just because a girl has a good experience at the home it dose not give you the right to bash her. You can not see past her experience and see the girl inside.


They are people that you know nothing about.


What comes to mind to me is that you are a rabbit dog! Someone shoots it and you wag it back. If it brought a positive experience to her life what do you care? You smell the blood and go get it! Fresh meat for you. It is your bullying that I stand against!It dose not feel good to be out of the loop for a lot of years and then find this forum with people like you in it. I want you to go get back on your corner back with the people who made you what you are and charged for it.I mean isn't that where the spot light is on you and only you. Little out of your element aren't you? I was sent to the home after getting raped, What is your excuse?


Didn't you even hear her? She said she was sent to the home because she deserved it? What did the home teach? That things where our fault! You couldn't stop for a second offer support and tell her it was not her fault things happen to her. Can't do that can you? Nope!! it is pond scum like you that scour this forum and suck the pain and hurt of the bottom of ones heart and feed on it and happily get fat on it. I am not like you! I have took up for many girls who have come on here that people like you anticipate the catch, and drool at thier very existence. Someone needs to make a stand against people like you.


No, My mom didn't teach me about the $20.00 whores on the street. Sorry! But since you asked It was the $20.00 tramps like you that came to the home, and taught me everything I did not ever want to be. Or will ever be!"




Um, I think this...
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Eat my freshly shaven, juicy pussy



was in response to this, which appears to be posted by a program believer.  Who's bullying who?



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"too bad you have such a simple life that you claim fornits to be your office.you might as well pitch a tent and move in, because you seem to spend so much time here bad mouthing everyone that posts. how old are you anyway? i can only imagine how bad your attitude was when you were sent to the homes. it is quite apparant your mom didn't give you very good advice.is she the one that taught you about $20.00 whores and street corners?

"
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:48:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 18:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
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On 2005-12-30 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Eat my freshly shaven, juicy pussy"

Id love too!  ::bigmouth:: "

If I posted to you post wrongly and it was not directed towards me then I am very sorry. But it appeared to be directed towards me. Very sorry really. :smile:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:51:00 PM
No worries, carry on.  :smile:  :wave:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 19:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"No worries, carry on.  :smile:  :wave: "
I need to be licked and rubbed
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
hey sicko go to another site
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 05:03:00 AM
I suggest you just ignore 'sicko'. He's probibly a troubled lighthouse boy imposing as one of us, 'cause he WISHES he was a Rebekah girl.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 01:04:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Eat my freshly shaven, juicy pussy"



This is just trashy.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
::soapbox::  ::unhappy::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
http://tv.reuters.com/ifr_main.jsp?st=1 ... 7&rdm=5462 (http://tv.reuters.com/ifr_main.jsp?st=1136139041562&rf=bm&mp=WMP&wmp=1&rm=1&cpf=true&fr=010106_011030_16dfebe0x10886ccf130xw4df7&rdm=5462)
http://tv.reuters.com/ (http://tv.reuters.com/)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
The stress monster
http://www.toilette-humor.com/stress-monster.html (http://www.toilette-humor.com/stress-monster.html)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 06:24:00 PM
http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php (http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php) :grin:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
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On 2006-01-01 15:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

"http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php :rofl:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
I'm so WET
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
Ahhhhh A tampons fantasy ::blushing::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 09:34:00 AM
http://eclectech.co.uk/pettingzoo.php (http://eclectech.co.uk/pettingzoo.php)

The Squirrel Nutz :smile:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
http://eclectech.co.uk/pantspirate.php?i=dti (http://eclectech.co.uk/pantspirate.php?i=dti)

Look on left top corner and click interactive
pull up pirate or squirrel and write message

Put your mouse on the center of the page and the message stays move mouse and put it back and he will say something different.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
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On 2006-01-01 16:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'm so WET"
Can I touch?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
http://eclectech.co.uk/pantsquirrel.php?i=iau (http://eclectech.co.uk/pantsquirrel.php?i=iau)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2006, 12:31:00 AM
Google whiley Cameron look under cbs camp 60's
Old pictures of him.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 02:59:00 PM
Time to wake up the sleeping gaint! :scared:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 02:59:00 PM
Time to wake up the sleeping gaint! :scared:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
FEE FYE FO THUMB I smell the blood of a Roloff Cult. :rofl:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 12:31:00 PM
Dear Sir:

I am writing to thank you for bouncing my check with which I endeavored to pay my plumber last month. By my calculations some three nanoseconds must have elapsed between his presenting the check and the arrival in my account of the funds needed to honor it. I refer, of course, to the automatic monthly deposit of my entire salary, and arrangement which, I admit, has only been in place for eight years. You are to be commended for seizing that brief window of opportunity, and also for debiting my account by $50 by way of penalty for the inconvenience I caused to your bank. My thankfulness springs from the manner in which this incident has caused me to rethink my errant financial ways. You have set me on the path of fiscal righteousness. No more will our relationship be blighted by these unpleasant incidents, for I am restructuring my affairs, taking as my model the procedures, attitudes and conduct of your very bank. I can think of no greater compliment and I know you will be excited and proud to hear it.

 To this end, please be advised of the following changes: I have noticed that whereas I personally attend to your telephone calls and letters, when I try to contact you, I am confronted by the impersonal, ever-changing, pre-recorded, faceless entity which your bank has become.

From now on I, like you, choose only to deal with a flesh-and-blood person. My mortgage and loan repayments will, therefore and hereafter, no longer be automatic, but will arrive at your bank, by check, addressed personally and confidentially to an employee at your branch whom you must nominate.
You will be aware that it is an offense under the Postal Act for any other person to open such an envelope. Please find attached an Application Contact Status which I require your chosen employee to complete. I am sorry it runs to eight pages, but in order that I know as much about him or her as your bank knows about me, there is no alternative. Please note that all copies of his or her medical history must be countersigned by a Notary Public, and the mandatory details of his/her financial situation (income, debts, assets and liabilities) must be accompanied by documented proof.
 In due course I will issue your employee with a PIN number which he/she must quote in dealings with me. I regret that it cannot be shorter than 28 digits but, again, I have modeled it on the number of button presses required to access my account balance on your phone bank service. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Let me level the playing field even further by introducing you to my new telephone system, which you will notice, is very much like yours. My Authorized Contact at your bank, the only person with whom I will have any dealings, may call me at any time and will be answered by an automated voice service:

Press buttons as follows:

1. To make an appointment to see me.
2. To query a missing payment.
3. To transfer the call to my living room in case I am there.
4. To transfer the call to my bedroom in case I am sleeping.
5. To transfer the call to my toilet in case I am attending to nature.
6. To transfer the call to my mobile phone if I am not at home.
7. To leave a message on my computer, a password to access my computer is required. Password will be communicated at a later date to the Authorized Contact.
8. To return to the main menu and to listen to options 1 through 7.
9. To make a general complaint or inquiry.
The contact will then be put on hold, pending the attention of my automated answering service. While this may on occasion involve a lengthy wait, uplifting music will play for the duration of the call.
This month I've chosen a refrain from "The Best of Woody Guthrie: "Oh, the banks are made of marble, with a guard at every door, and the vaults are filled with silver, That the miners sweated for."

 On a more serious note, we come to the matter of cost. As your bank has often pointed out, the ongoing drive for greater efficiency comes at a cost which you have always been quick to pass on to me. Let me repay your kindness by passing some costs back. First, there is a matter of advertising material you send me. This I will read for a fee of $20 per page. Inquiries from the Authorized Contact will be billed at $5 per minute of my time spent in response. Any debits to my account, as, for example, in the matter of the penalty for the dishonored check, will be passed back to you. New phone service runs at 75 cents a minute. You will be well advised to keep your inquiries brief and to the point. Regrettably, but again following your example, I must also levy an establishment fee to cover the setting up of this new arrangement.

May I wish you a happy, if ever-so-slightly less prosperous, Day.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
Don't copy and paste what?? What???


This group is for the Women Survivors of Roloff Homes; Rebekah Home for Girls, Bethesda Home for Girls, and the overall Roloff Enterprises.
Hi! We want to welcome you to the site and to join our group! Come knock on our door, and join us as we are busy building a community(community? Compound? what is the difference?)
(SOMETHINGS DON'T CHANGE. ROLOFF HAD A DREAM FOR A COMMUNITY!!) of Women Survivors of the Roloff Homes, a community meant for connection, mutual healing, and safety  AHH COME ON GET A LITTLE SASSY! WHAT HAPPEN TO FEAR FACTOR?            for those who seek a healing and validating environment that is free to deal with the issues that stem from our stay in the Homes.
Women Survivors of Roloffs Homes will find here in this community  THERE IS THAT WORD AGAIN??   a safe place to find understanding at last, to share experiences, and find support and know that you are not alone. I AM ALONE! Here you can meet with other survivors who also know the issues and pains of what it was like, because we have all been there. You may find an old friend! And you will definitely find new friends as you join in, share, listen, and belong.
PISS HER OFF AND YOU WILL HAVE NO FRIENDS!
The Basic Safety boundaries listed below are to keep this Survivor Community clean, safe, and healthy to all here: DO U TEST FOR VENERIAL DISCEASES?
Please be courteous and respectful of others, their problems, diagnosis, WHAT??? DIAGNOSIS?? issues, and beliefs.
Please do not attack or be negative towards another member.
Please do not use vulgar or obscene language in your posts. NO CUSSING? WHAT I CAN'T SAY SHIT?
No one in this is group is a counselor or claiming to be one. Please use your real name even if it is just your first.
We ask that you do not copy any post without consent of moderator or of the person¡¦s post you want to copy. LIKE THIS??
Go at your own pace,respect your own needs/boundaries for privacy & sharing within reasonable spacing of posts, (two-month limit on silent lurkers!) YOU MEAN POST OR YOUR ASS IS GRASS??
Upon request to join,I will ask a few questions, please be patient with this process for approval. In 14 days, YAHOO automatically deletes pending members still not approved yet, if this happens, do not fear; WHAT YOU CAN'T DECIDE IN 14 DAYS? ARE YOU RUNNING BACK GROUND CHECKS OR WHAT  ARE WE APPLYING FOR A LOAN?? just knock on the door again. I will answer. This just is one of Yahoo¡¦s policies. Thank you
GentleStormi~Moderator

DO I want you to KNOW WHEN MY NEXT PERIOD IS OR WHEN MY NEXT BOWEL MOVEMENT IS?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
Community or Cult? To be or not to be that is the question?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
to fart or not to fart is mine
I think I will go with to
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
Elizabeth:

My name is Kathy, and I remember you and Esperanza.  I was in the Rebekah Home from 1976-1980.  I lived in the home with you, and I traveled with Brother Roloff in the HoneyBee Quartet.  I really feel sorry for you and your sister, and anyone else who gets on this website and lies the way you all are doing.  Without Brother Roloff, and the Rebekah Home for Girls I would not be alive today.  I am a Mother of 5, and a Grandmother of 4, and believe it or not I still have my mind.  There were no beatings, and nobody call Brother Roloff Daddy.  I hope all you are able to answer to God when it comes to your lies about the Greatest Man of God which is Lester Roloff.
I wish you all well, and I hope you can find peace.

Kathy Nichols (Green)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 12:56:00 AM
I can actually know what when on with Compton if anyone needs to know.  I will not release my name though.  Let me know who wants to hear.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 03:13:00 PM
I want to know. :smile:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 03:16:00 PM
Do u remember Rose?
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
You know Kathy it is one thing to talk about your own experience, Some have had good and some bad, But is is another thing to judge someones feelings who you know nothing about.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
no joke!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
She came to the home when she was about 15 I think.  She and Mrs. Cameron had a thing for awhile, then she moved in with them in the Apartment in the dorm when she turned 18, and then she became a worker.  She then became involved with one of the girls in the dorm that was from Corpus Christi.  That girl eventually went home and moved on.  She continued to have various relationships with other girls throughout the years. Mrs Cameron eventually had a relationship with another girl in the dorm, I can't remember her name but it went on for a couple of years.   I was friends with Miss Shari and most of her girlfriends, but just thought they were good friends.  The last relationship she was in the girl went back to her home town in Dallas and they found letters that Miss Shari was writing to her, her name was Theresa.  They notified the home, and Miss Shari was immediatly flown out.  Her parents sued the ministries, and they settled out of court.  I seen Theresa a fews years after that and she was in a relationship with a girl from the home Glenda.  Thats when she told me most of the story, and told me about Mrs. Cameron's relationships as well.  
Sorry to spread the bad news, but its the real deal.  
Hope this helps solve the dilema of Shari Compton, Mrs. Cameron and the who knows what else that was happening.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
I'm not surprised, Rebekah was a breeding ground for lesbians.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 09:13:00 PM
but mrs. cameron????????
ew
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-01-22 18:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'm not surprised, Rebekah was a breeding ground for lesbians."


How did you know? We where the people under the stairs. We use to steal the spoons and dig holes in the bathroom floors so we could connect a bunch of straws and use them to peep on girls in the bathroom. :roll:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 06:06:00 PM
lesibans lesibans lesibans.....god bless       lesibans
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 09:44:00 PM
uuuhhh, I guess because I am one?  at least I am sometimes.  depends what mood I'm in.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 09:46:00 PM
yes, yes, yes!
although, men are cute too!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 10:14:00 AM
I think thier wallet is thier most attractive feature, D :lol: epends on how hunky it is. You just gotta wiggle your way into the hug position and Kinda brush you hand across it and you will know
if it is love at first site or not. :lol:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 10:16:00 AM
Going to the Chapel and we are gonna get married! :razz:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 10:19:00 AM
Quote
On 2006-01-22 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"She came to the home when she was about 15 I think.  She and Mrs. Cameron had a thing for awhile, then she moved in with them in the Apartment in the dorm when she turned 18, and then she became a worker.  She then became involved with one of the girls in the dorm that was from Corpus Christi.  That girl eventually went home and moved on.  She continued to have various relationships with other girls throughout the years. Mrs Cameron eventually had a relationship with another girl in the dorm, I can't remember her name but it went on for a couple of years.   I was friends with Miss Shari and most of her girlfriends, but just thought they were good friends.  The last relationship she was in the girl went back to her home town in Dallas and they found letters that Miss Shari was writing to her, her name was Theresa.  They notified the home, and Miss Shari was immediatly flown out.  Her parents sued the ministries, and they settled out of court.  I seen Theresa a fews years after that and she was in a relationship with a girl from the home Glenda.  Thats when she told me most of the story, and told me about Mrs. Cameron's relationships as well.  

Sorry to spread the bad news, but its the real deal.  

Hope this helps solve the dilema of Shari Compton, Mrs. Cameron and the who knows what else that was happening.



"

Oh by all means go ahead we like getting all the dirt on the workers. Got anymore???
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
:flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame
You know... I had a roommate that was gay. And she wouldn't back down from it. I though Raymond Weatherford was going to kill her. I loved her I felt so sorry for her. She disappeared one day and I never saw her again. I will always wonder what happen to her.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 11:53:00 AM
Quote
On 2006-01-17 18:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"to fart or not to fart is mine

I think I will go with to



"


http://www.toilette-humor.com/pooboy.html (http://www.toilette-humor.com/pooboy.html)
 :lol:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 07:28:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-01-22 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"She came to the home when she was about 15 I think.  She and Mrs. Cameron had a thing for awhile, then she moved in with them in the Apartment in the dorm when she turned 18, and then she became a worker.  She then became involved with one of the girls in the dorm that was from Corpus Christi.  That girl eventually went home and moved on.  She continued to have various relationships with other girls throughout the years. Mrs Cameron eventually had a relationship with another girl in the dorm, I can't remember her name but it went on for a couple of years.   I was friends with Miss Shari and most of her girlfriends, but just thought they were good friends.  The last relationship she was in the girl went back to her home town in Dallas and they found letters that Miss Shari was writing to her, her name was Theresa.  They notified the home, and Miss Shari was immediatly flown out.  Her parents sued the ministries, and they settled out of court.  I seen Theresa a fews years after that and she was in a relationship with a girl from the home Glenda.  Thats when she told me most of the story, and told me about Mrs. Cameron's relationships as well.  

Sorry to spread the bad news, but its the real deal.  

Hope this helps solve the dilema of Shari Compton, Mrs. Cameron and the who knows what else that was happening.



"


http://eclectech.co.uk/pantsquirrel.php?i=imH (http://eclectech.co.uk/pantsquirrel.php?i=imH)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
Quote
On 2006-01-16 07:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Don't copy and paste what?? What???





This group is for the Women Survivors of Roloff Homes; Rebekah Home for Girls, Bethesda Home for Girls, and the overall Roloff Enterprises.

Hi! We want to welcome you to the site and to join our group! Come knock on our door, and join us as we are busy building a community(community? Compound? what is the difference?)

(SOMETHINGS DON'T CHANGE. ROLOFF HAD A DREAM FOR A COMMUNITY!!) of Women Survivors of the Roloff Homes, a community meant for connection, mutual healing, and safety  AHH COME ON GET A LITTLE SASSY! WHAT HAPPEN TO FEAR FACTOR?            for those who seek a healing and validating environment that is free to deal with the issues that stem from our stay in the Homes.

Women Survivors of Roloffs Homes will find here in this community  THERE IS THAT WORD AGAIN??   a safe place to find understanding at last, to share experiences, and find support and know that you are not alone. I AM ALONE! Here you can meet with other survivors who also know the issues and pains of what it was like, because we have all been there. You may find an old friend! And you will definitely find new friends as you join in, share, listen, and belong.

PISS HER OFF AND YOU WILL HAVE NO FRIENDS!

The Basic Safety boundaries listed below are to keep this Survivor Community clean, safe, and healthy to all here: DO U TEST FOR VENERIAL DISCEASES?

Please be courteous and respectful of others, their problems, diagnosis, WHAT??? DIAGNOSIS?? issues, and beliefs.

Please do not attack or be negative towards another member.

Please do not use vulgar or obscene language in your posts. NO CUSSING? WHAT I CAN'T SAY SHIT?

No one in this is group is a counselor or claiming to be one. Please use your real name even if it is just your first.

We ask that you do not copy any post without consent of moderator or of the person¡¦s post you want to copy. LIKE THIS??

Go at your own pace,respect your own needs/boundaries for privacy & sharing within reasonable spacing of posts, (two-month limit on silent lurkers!) YOU MEAN POST OR YOUR ASS IS GRASS??

Upon request to join,I will ask a few questions, please be patient with this process for approval. In 14 days, YAHOO automatically deletes pending members still not approved yet, if this happens, do not fear; WHAT YOU CAN'T DECIDE IN 14 DAYS? ARE YOU RUNNING BACK GROUND CHECKS OR WHAT  ARE WE APPLYING FOR A LOAN?? just knock on the door again. I will answer. This just is one of Yahoo¡¦s policies. Thank you

GentleStormi~Moderator



DO I want you to KNOW WHEN MY NEXT PERIOD IS OR WHEN MY NEXT BOWEL MOVEMENT IS?

"


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloff-si ... -bethesda/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloff-sistersurvivorssupport_rebekah-bethesda/)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-01-23 15:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"lesibans lesibans lesibans.....god bless       lesibans"
hey vette i think  you're a hotty.....wanna do it?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 06:33:00 PM
sure, I've gone a whole month without getting any, so I'm ready to rock your world!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
Hi I'm a survivor of the Rebekah Home 79-80 and yes I saw and experienced the abuse first hand.

I saw abuse from Compton and her moves on the girls. I know she abused sexually a 14 year old.

I saw Mrs Cameron dress up a girl, her name was Chrystal, like a baby in dipers and made her suck a bottle. she was made to sit and eat by herself and  suck her thumb and suck a bottle. she was make to do this for days on end... and ya wanna know why?  
Cause she had a little girl crush on Bro Cameron..

How sick is that!! I saw compton abuse her power and choose her sexual prey and destroy anyone in her path.

I'm happy for Kathy(green) you suffered no such abuse.. I remember you. You were friends with Compton.. so I don't believe you had enough distance to be objective. I'm happy it went well for you. Compton was  amused by you.. you were funny and had a great personality. You became part of the Compton group.
But for the ones of us that didn't have enough value for Compton.. WE WERE ABUSED!!!
Do not speak for others. I thought this was a survivors site.
by the way I KNOW WHERE COMPTON WORKS IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2006, 04:47:00 PM
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE COMPTON WORKS.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2006, 04:57:00 PM
Yeah, your right.  I was friends with her, but I did not know that she was abusing people, and I sure did not know about her lesbian behavior.  I am sorry if all of these things happened, and most of all I just can't believe I did not know about it.  I was there a long time, but will admit I traveled alot with the Choir and Brother Roloff.  I actually was not there probably 6-7 months out of the year due to traveling.  I apologize on behave of everyone if what you all are saying is true.  It actually disgusts me to think about it.  I just know that when I was their I never treated anyone with disrespect, and I apologize on behalf of what I thought was a decent staff.  I do know one thing, Brother Roloff would have never stood for any of the things that people are saying went on their.  I spent 3 out of 4 years traveling with him, and he was a true man of God.  I have my doubts about the Camerons, and defintly huge doubts about Compton.  I am actually at this point embarrassed to even say I knew them.

Best wishes to all of you.
Kathy
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2006, 02:06:00 PM
I AGREE! THANKS FOR SAYING THAT!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2006, 05:53:00 PM
I know where Compton works and I believe her owns everyone an apology.. she made my life HELL!!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
I'm bored.  Anyone have a crazy roloff story to tell me before bedtime?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
I think this is the best I have seen written and well thought out! I think this go's to the heart of a lot of our underlying problems with Roloff Homes. I believe this could be  a wonderful support group for woman that still have this Issues. There are not harsh rules no criticism towards ones believe. I think it gets to the heart of things! Thumbs Up !!!!
Blue :smile:



About usHave you ever tried to grapple with this issue? Have you found yourself in your local church, trying to explain the delimma of Roloffs ? And did you find that others turned a deaf ear? That others failed to understand your particular turmoil? That what you said was not getting through? Did you feel that they could not hear you? You are not alone.

Are you like many other Roloff Survivors who believe in God and in his Son Jesus Christ and have him as your Lord and Savoir, yet going to a church is just so hard to handle? Do you drive past a church and tremble with either fear, or terror? Do you go into a church and experience panic attacks? You are not alone, if you are a believer in Jesus Christ and want to be heard and understood about the issues of healing from the spiritual abuses of Roloffs, and seek to learn more about spiritual abuse with other survivors and how to detect it better and learn to feel safe in and among other survivors who are also believers in Jesus and seek mutual healing, please come and see the newest group.

Did you find other well meaning but not understanding christian friends, not able to hear your plight with your faith issues?

Have you ever heard these remarks by maybe wellmeaning but deaf christians?:

1. Just put the past behind you and get on with your life

2. Give it to God!

3. Get your nose in the bible and you wont be depressed!

4. Pray it through

5. Forgetting those things which are behind and pressing on???

If any of those statements have been used to keep you quiet, been used as the christian cliches that they become, if ever you ever encountered these kinds of responses to your anguish in wrestling with trust and faith in God. Then you are not alone. Believe me, you are not alone.

This group of Roloff Survivors In Faith is for supporting those of us who have been through all that and understand. It is meant to bring together those Roloff Survivors (men and women) who acknowledge the severity of abuses in the Roloff Homes, who do not support the Roloff Homes or Shootoff homes in any way, form or fashion, who have kept their faith in Christ, who struggle with issues of faith and spiritual abuses, and who still believe and seek to heal from the spiritual abuses of the Roloff system. For those Roloff Survivors who seek to connect with other survivors in Faith in Christ, and who seek to heal spiritually as christians and find understanding of truth in Gods Word.

To be a support group for survivors of Roloffs Homes, in the faith of Jesus Christ.

This group is to be a safe place to discuss issues of faith and issues of healing spiritually from the severity of spiritual abuses found in the Roloff Homes.

If you are looking for such a group, please come check out the group site at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffsurvivorsinfaith/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffsurvivorsinfaith/)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2006, 04:37:00 PM
Does it not all seem like a lifetime ago?  I was there also for several years during 1982.  It seems like it never happened....I agree a hell of a lot went on in during those times, but what can any of us do about it now?  Our lives go on regardless of how they try to destroy our spirits, life is as we make it...Good days and bad days, we just had a few more bad than good there...maybe we can make up for it and enjoy some of the damn good today's...

Lisa G.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2006, 04:39:00 PM
Her name was Anita Agar....
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2006, 04:45:00 PM
Kathy, I agree with a lot of what you said.  I'm not proud to tell anyone where I graduated from.  It's even hard to explain it to people that are so unfamiliar with the experiences.  I guess I got on this site because it never completely goes away....The memories just fade over time...Peace to you.

Lisa G.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 01:48:00 PM
doo doot dootoot doot doot dootoot doot doot dootoot doot doot doodoot
There's a lady standing outside
looking inside does she see me?
no she does not really see me
she just sees her own reflection
and I'm trying not to notice that she's reaching up her skirt
and as she's straightening her stocking
her hair has gotten wet
doot doot dootoot doot doot dootoot
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2006, 12:11:00 PM
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ROLOFF HOME CEO WAS ON MONITORING COMMITTEE, RESIGNS POST

Charges Of Abuse Still Raise Questions About Bush "Partnership" Scheme Between Government And Faith-Based Sectarian Groups...

Web Posted: April 15, 2000
he head of a religious ministry now under fire amidst charges of child abuse was also a member of the private accreditation committee that certified two homes for youngsters operated by the group, and founded by controversial "Bible discipline" evangelist Lester Roloff.

   Wiley Cameron, head of the People's Baptist Church and CEO of Roloff Enterprises -- the ministry operating the Rebekah Home for Girls and the Anchor Home for Boys -- was also on the private Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies. The Association was set up by Texas Gov. George W. Bush, presumably to accredit and monitor private religion-based "homes" for juveniles.

   According to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times newspaper, Cameron resigned from the accreditation firm on Wednesday "to avoid the perception of a conflict of interest." Incredibly, the same Association -- which approved certification for the home in question -- is reportedly conducting an inquiry into charges of abuse at the institution.

   Last Friday, officers with the Nueces County Sheriff's Office raided the 600-acre compound belonging to the People's Baptist Church and arrested superintendent Allen Smith, 42, on charges of unlawfully restraining and injuring two youths at the Anchor Homes. According to published reports, eighteen-year old Justin Simons told officials that a church employee -- reportedly Smith -- punched him, and punished him and another inmate by tying their wrists together and forcing them to run through nearby woods and dig a 15-foot-deep pit.

   People's Baptist Church is part of a ministerial empire founded by the late evangelist Lester Roloff, a fire-and-brimstone preacher known for advocacy of corporal punishment and other stern measures against juveniles. Various rehabilitation homes connected to Roloff and his organization have been the subject of state investigations and critical news stories for nearly thirty years. The state of Texas became involved in a legal battle with Roloff in the early 1970s when the Texas Department of Public Welfare informed him that his youth "homes" would have to meet various licensing standards. Roloff then launched a series of legal appeals, and spent time in jail for resisting legal orders; the incident soon became known as "The Christian Alamo," and culminated in a massive demonstrate of support by Roloff's members and other religious leaders in 1977.

   Roloff died in 1982, but his ministry lived on, along with his "Family Altar" radio program which airs on 120 Christian broadcasting stations throughout the country.

    The abuse charges, though, have led to Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the likely candidate for the 2000 Republican presidential nomination. Bush has supported "charitable choice" schemes and other efforts to transfer public money to religious groups, as well as a "partnership" between churches and other sectarian movements and government as a way of addressing social ills. Bush also established the private Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. as a "monitoring" agency with power to accredit private, religious juvenile facilities. In February, 1999, the TACCCA certified the PBC "homes."

   According to David Blaser, a minister who is also head of the accreditation firm, no one on the TACCCA board asked for Cameron's resignation. Susan Noble of the Texans Care for Children group told the Caller-Times that Cameron's membership on the certification group appeared to be a conflict of interest.


MORE CHARGES OF ABUSE, MISCONDUCT
   Nueces County Sheriff Larry Olivarez says that his department is now investigating seven other allegations of abuse, these apparently stemming from incidents in adult "homes" operated by the People's Baptist Church. In addition to the Rebekah and Anchor homes, Cameron's organization also runs the Lighthouse for men 18-25 years old, City of Refuge for men 25 years and older, and a Jubilee Home for Women.  
 
Marla Sheely of the Residential Child Care Licensing Division of the Texas department of Protective and Regulatory Services says that her unit is investigation a charge of abuse involving a resident of the Rebekah Home.

   "There's no accountability measure," said Samantha Smoot of the Texas Freedom Network. "They (PBC) feel they are protected from regulatory oversight."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2006, 12:21:00 PM
PROBE OF ABUSE CHARGES AT "BIBLE DISCIPLINE" HOME LEADS TO BUSH, RAISES QUESTIONS OF FAITH-STATE PARTNERSHIP


Web Posted: April 12, 2000
 police investigation into a Corpus Christi, Texas area Baptist group has uncovered allegations of child abuse, and a curious relationship with Texas Gov. George W. Bush. The incident also involves questions about Bush's call for a "faith partnership" between religious groups and government to administer social welfare services, and the history of a controversial evangelist -- Lester Roloff -- who locked horns with Texas state authorities over his operation of numerous "Bible discipline" homes for youngsters, alcoholics and drug addicts.

   Last week, county sheriff's deputies conducted a search of the People's Baptist Church youth homes looking for evidence which according to the Corpus Christi Times Caller newspaper, could corroborate reports of abusive behavior at the 600-acre facility. Eighteen-year-old Justin Simons told officials that a church employee punched him in the chest, and punished him and another young by tying their wrists together and forcing them to run through the woods and even dig a 15-foot-deep pit.

   "Simons told deputies he was not allowed to take a break unless he jumped across the pit," reported the Caller. "When he tried to jump the pit, he fell and sprained both ankles." The youngster's mother removed the boy from the church-operated home on Friday, and had him treated at a local hospital.

   On Saturday, deputies arrested the superintendent of the People's Baptist Church, Allen Smith, and charged him with abusing the two teens. Church pastor Wiley Cameron Sr. was also arrested when he refused to turn over records that were included in a warrant executed by the Nueces County Sheriff's Office. After a brief time in the local jail, Cameron ordered the information to be turned over, and was soon freed.

   More arrests could follow, according to local media reports.

   The People's Baptist Church operates the Rebekah Home for Girls and the Anchor Home for Boys, and carries on a ministry founded by the controversial evangelist Lester Roloff. Raised in a strict Baptist atmosphere, Roloff took his pet Jersey cow with him when he enrolled in Baylor University in the 1930s and sold milk to pay for his tuition. After college he pastored at a number of hard-shell Baptist churches, and in 1949 launched a "Family Altar" radio program. Roloff soon became known for his strident attacks on smoking, consuming alcohol and other vices, and as a proponent of "Bible discipline" for youngsters. He was soon branded as "controversial" by other Baptist ministers, especially after he opposed Baylor University's decision to grant President Harry S. Truman an honorary degree because of the latter's use of explicit language and lack of adherence to certain Bible standards.

   By 1956, even the fundamentalist conservatism of the Southern Baptist Convention was not enough for Roloff, and he left the organization after delivering a scathing attack during a sermon at Baylor University. It was then that he began to open a series of "homes" and "ranches" for troubled youth in Texas, Georgia and even on a barge- houseboat in the Gulf Intercoastal Waterway, accessible only by boat or sea plane. In January, 1968, Roloff Enterprises opened the Rebekah Home for Girls in Corpus Christi; young women were taught homemaking skills and how to conduct themselves "as becometh holiness." The People's Baptist Church was established the following year on 600 acres of land near Cuddihy Field. A "Jubilee Home" and "Lighthouse Ministry Center" soon followed, along with the Anchor Home for "troubled boys." Many of the youngsters and other residents were sent to Roloff's institution by disgruntled parents, judges and probation officers.

   Trouble began, though, in 1971 when the Texas Department of Public Welfare (later the Texas Department of Human Services) informed Roloff that the youth "homes" must meet certain licensing standards. Roloff, citing the separation of church and state, refused to comply, and after a lengthy court battle the homes were temporarily shut down in October, 1973. Roloff ended up in jail, but the Texas Supreme Court finally ruled in his favor. Passage of the Texas Child Care and Licensing Act in 1975 put Roloff back in the public spotlight, and once again the combative evangelist was locked in a legal battle with state authorities. After refusing to admit DHS investigators to the church grounds, Roloff was again in jail; at one point, youngsters and other residents of Roloff Enterprises were taken by police to the State Youth Prison.

    Roloff then launched what soon became known as the "Christian Alamo" incident. In 1977, Roloff and supporters organized a giant "Save Our Nation" rally in Dallas, Texas. A crowd estimated at 10,000 was joined by 1,500 ministers and representatives of other religious groups from across the country in a show of support for Roloff. In an effort to circumvent new state orders that he license the homes, residents of the Corpus Christi facilities were moved to other ministry compounds in Georgia and Mississippi; ownership of the homes was transferred from Roloff's corporation to the People's Church. Wiley Cameron, the current PBC pastor, came on board Roloff's operation in 1974, and today administers Roloff Enterprises. Lester Roloff was killed in an aircraft accident when his small plane crashed on November 2, 1982. His "Family Altar" program continues to air on 120 Christian radio stations throughout the country.

   Practices at Roloff's various "homes" and other ministerial operations attracted concern from media and authorities over charges involving abuse, beatings and other forms of "Bible based discipline" which the evangelist unabashedly espoused. An investigation by several newspapers, including the Tucson Citizen, brought many allegations to light, as did columnist Molly Ivin's article "Whippings for God" in New Times magazine. Roloff defended his punitive child-control techniques, though, declaring "Better a pink bottom than a black soul." Then-Texas State Attorney General John Hill bluntly responded, "I don't mind pink bottoms. What I do object to is black, blue and bloody..."


THE BUSH CONNECTION:
RFRA AND "FAITH PARTNERSHIPS"
   Roloff's creed of Bible-based punishment of rebellious youngsters -- a residue of Calvinist belief which teaches that a child's will is sinful and must be "broken" -- still plays well in many fundamentalist and evangelical circles. In an October 1977 magazine article, Dr. James W. Prescott, former president of the Maryland Psychological Association, warned that along with awareness about rising rates of child abuse, "The time has also come to recognize the painful truth that traditional Judeo-Christian moral values of pain and pleasure in human relationships have contributed substantially to child abuse and to the prevalence of physical violence in Western civilization." Prescott adds: "The religious system upon which our culture is based holds that pain, suffering and deprivation are moral and necessary to save one's soul and make one a 'good person.' The crucifixion and scourging of Christ are examples..."

   It may be odd, then, to find reputed ex-playboy turned presidential contender, George W. Bush, as a supporter of institutions like the People's Baptist Church. In fact, the church operations -- including Rebekah Home for Girls and the Anchor Home for Boys -- no longer seem to be under the scrutiny of the state of Texas. Instead, under a constitutionally suspect scheme, the religious homes are "licensed" by a private organization known as the Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. which in February, 1999 accredited the PBC outreaches. This reversed a Texas Department of Human Services effort that began in the early 1990s to prevent the Church from using a form of temporary legal adoption of its clients in order to keep children at the Rebekah and Anchor homes.

 
 
   "The Christian agency will re-inspect the homes annually and has the power to take the accreditation away," notes the Corpus Christi Caller Times. It adds that the Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. is "a private organization created by Gov. George W. Bush last year..." The "Agency" has inspected and accredited only one institution, and that is the People's Baptist Church.

   The cozy arrangement between PBC and the Texas Association of Child Care Agencies Inc. is part of a larger plan proposed by George W. Bush which calls for "partnerships" between faith-based groups and government. Under the Bush plan, a series of tax credits and direct grants would funnel public funds to faith-based organizations which would in turn administer social services. Religious groups would not be required to give up their "identity" as faith-based sects, thus opening up the prospect of public funding for sectarian outreaches. An editorial in the Houston Chronicle (7/22/99) criticized the Bush scheme and its peculiar tie to the Roloff homes. A similar piece in the Dallas Morning News quoted Carole Shields of People for the American Way suggesting that the scheme might force religion on people seeking held, and possibly crossed the line separating church and state.

   Lester Roloff and his legacy of abuse and "Bible discipline" also came up during debate over the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act in March, 1999. The measure requires the state government to demonstrate a "compelling interest" before interfering with any religious group or practice, and use a "least restrictive means" test when enforcing regulations. Major denominations throughout the state eagerly supported the RFRA, as did Mr. Bush. Sen. John Whitmire, though, raised the question of how far the state could go in trying to stop child abuse in religious schools and homes, citing Roloff's various "homes" and the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.


CHILDREN AS VICTIMS OF "BIBLE DISCIPLINE"
   With the social faddism of everything from juvenile boot camps (shown to have poor results in correcting adverse behavior in youngsters) to "Bible-based" regimens that incorporate physical punishment and heavy doses of religious teaching, the latest reports of abuse at the Roloff homes should raise concerns about government-church partnerships -- particularly when dealing with children. The abuse charges, if true, suggested the "privatizing" the monitoring of institutions like the People's Baptist Church amount to an anemic form of self-policing for sectarian groups.

   Equally disturbing is the extent of such abuses. Roloff's "homes" were often located in secluded environments -- one could only be reached by boat or sea plane. The Corpus Christi charges are chillingly similar to allegations revealed by the Denver Rocky Mountain News in November, 1998 about an "American gulag" operated by Rev. Mack W. Ford.

   "He is a fiery Louisiana preacher who has incarcerated children for 27 years," noted News staff writer Lou Kilzer. The "juvenile detention compound in northern Louisiana" was operated under the aegis of Ford's New Bethany Baptist Church, and included 10-foot-high barbed-wire fences, and gruesome accounts of Ford's "private jail," "beatings," "lickings" and "paddling." The grandmother of one boy whose father converted a "strict fundamentalist Christian theology" had sought to rescue the youngster from Ford's control. Beginning in 1988, state authorities had raided the compound, freeing 28 youngsters aged 12 to 17 during one operation. "An affidavit in the case indicated that several children had severe bruising of the buttocks..."

   The problem of insular religious schools, "homes" and other institutions may only be exacerbated by state funding, and the poor monitoring of in-house religious groups like the Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. Worse yet, under the Bush plan -- and possibly even a scheme embraced by Vice President Al Gore -- everyone may end up paying for faith-based social services. The allegations of child abuse now surfacing in the Corpus Christi case raise serious questions about calls to form dangerous "partnerships" between government and sectarian religious groups.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2006, 12:26:00 PM
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BUSH CALLS FOR CHARITY TAX CREDITS, FEDERAL OFFICE TO PROMOTE FAITH-BASED SOCIAL PROGRAMS


Web Posted: July 23, 1999
epublican presidential candidate George W. Bush called yesterday for a working partnership between government and religious groups to combat social ills. Praising churches and other faith-based groups as part of the "armies of compassion," Bush described his proposal as "the next bold step in welfare reform."

   Addressing a crowd of over 500 parishioners at an Indianapolis, Ind. church, Bush said that if elected, his administration would rely on charitable groups including religious congregations. "We should promote these private and faith-based efforts because they work," the Texas governor declared. "But we should also promote them because their challenges are often greater than their resources." He promised to dedicate $8 billion to such groups in the first year of his presidency through a program of tax rebates and direct grants. According to Associated Press, the program "would be used to encourage Americans to give more to charity and increase the role of faith-based organizations in the fight to reduce poverty, welfare rolls, crime and other social problems." He called for states to provide tax credits to those donating money to charitable groups. "We will provide charity tax credits -- credits which will allow individuals to give a part of what they owe in state taxes directly to private and religious institutions fighting poverty in their community."

   Bush also promised to established an "Office of Faith-Based Action." Media reports described the agency as a "clearinghouse for information on effective religious organizations and assisting them in their dealings with the federal government." The office would also aid religious groups in seeking public monies; Bush noted that under his plan, "We will allow private and religious groups to compete to provide services in every federal, state and local social program."


MONKEY-SEE, MONKEY-DO
   The governor's remarks were part of his visit to a celebration hosted by Front Porch Alliance, a project initiated by Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith which involves municipal government, neighborhood groups and local churches. They also mimic a proposal made in May by Vice President Al Gore who called for a "New Partnership" between church and state, and promised that if sent to the White House, "the voices of faith-based organizations will be integral to the policies set forth in my administration." Unlike Bush, Gore was short on specifics for his "partnership." Reacting to today's announcement, an official with the Gore campaign gushed, "We're glad to see George Bush following Al Gore's lead to work with faith-based organizations."

    Both political hopefuls insist that their programs would pass constitutional scrutiny and not foster entanglement between government and religion. Gore claimed that his "New Partnership" with church groups would be "carefully tailored" to supposedly avoid any legal problems, and today Mr. Bush said that federal funding would pay for services delivered by sectarian groups, but not for the religious teachings which they espouse. "I am told by legal experts that my program will pass constitutional muster," Bush promised reporters after his talk. "The question is, 'Does it work?' That's what we ought to ask as a society."


THE PUBLIC FUNDING OF RELIGION?
"No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious
worship, place or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced,
restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods..."

-- Act for Establishing Religious Freedom
Thomas Jefferson

   While religious groups do receive public funding, grants and other government perks, such assistance is -- in theory -- not be used for the promulgation of religious doctrine. Church-operated social outreaches which use public monies may not require a religious litmus test for applicants, or use the monies in any way to promote their doctrines. Critics say that government oversight, though, is often incomplete and that, ultimately, church groups cannot "secularize" their programs.

   While the scheme for aiding religious groups by promoting faith-based social outreaches is relatively new, its roots lay in the battles fought decades ago over government aid to parochial schools. Protestants often opposed any form of federal or state subsidies for the Roman Catholic school system, but in 1930 a state Supreme Court decided the important COCHRAN v. LOUISIANA STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION case. Louisiana had purchased and supplied textbooks free of charge for the parochial schools; under COCHRAN, the practice was upheld with the court ruling: "The schools, however, are not the beneficiaries of these appropriations ... The school children ... are the beneficiaries." Other state high courts decided that it was the schools and the religious institution which benefited, though, and the matter finally reached the U.S. Supreme Court in EVERSON v. BOARD OF EDUCATION OF EWING TOWNSHIP (1947).


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"While the scheme for aiding religious groups by promoting faith-based social outreaches is relatively new, its roots lay in the battles fought decades ago over government aid to parochial schools..."

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   There, New Jersey parents were reimbursed for fees charged to their children on public buses so that they could attend Roman Catholic schools. The high court emphasized the "child benefit" theory. That opened the door for religious schools to qualify for public funds under the School Lunch Act and other programs.

   The "benefit" theory was expanded in other court decisions; soon, government grants were being made to religious educational institutions including colleges, under the theory that it was students, not the church, which would "benefit." From 1964 to 1969, legislation was passed in thirteen of the states providing aid to religious schools. The theory was that public bankrolling for textbooks, transportation, lunches and other "benefits" to students was permissible, as long as it did not directly fund or promote, say, a religion class or activity. Today, vouchers continue to be justified as part of this slippery-slope of public funding.

   Similarly, beginning in the 1960s and into the 1970s, various Community Development Block Grant programs began fund social services administered by religious groups. The groups were required to obey guidelines as a condition for receiving the money, of course; in theory, a Salvation Army rescue mission operating with public funds could not require clients to participate in religious services. The programs had to be "secular," and, somehow, divorced from the religious mission of the providing institution.


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"The 'benefit' theory was expanded in other court decisions; soon, government grants were being made to religious educational institutions including colleges, under the theory that it was students,not the church, which would benefit..."

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   With that precedent, supporters of public aid to religion have now gone a step further, and demanded that "successful" programs which incorporate a faith-based message should be considered an "option." To many separationists, this is a logical extension of bad law established back in EVERSON, and continued with the questionable practice of expecting churches and other religious groups to operate -- and not benefit from -- secular social services. In fact, sectarian groups could legally benefit from such a public subsidy as long as an attorney could demonstrate to a court that they were not the primary beneficiary.

   How far has George Bush taken this precedent of public funding for religion? In Texas, Bush is a major supporter of voucher schemes that would reimburse parents and provide "opportunity scholarships" for students attending private and religious schools. He also supports religion-based rehabilitation programs for penal inmates and drug/alcohol abusers. Texas boasts the largest program in the country using faith-based regimens, including one operated by Charles Colson's Prison Fellowship Ministry. The 2-year, $5 million program is up for renewal shortly and thus far has been paid for with private funds. Prison security and support services, though, which enable Colson's program to operate, are provided at public expense. The Fellowship Ministry is hoping for public funding for the entire program if it is renewed.

 
 
   In Congress, legislators have already passed a measure which allows faith-based programs to compete for public funding to provide social services; it is unclear, though, what will happen if and when such funding grants are made. Some religious groups like National Catholic Charities already rely on the public treasury for the bulk of their funding, and reap handsome "administrative" fees for operating various outreaches. Other faith-based charities, though, may be tempted to resist any restrictions on their proselytizing activities; in that case, Rep. J.C. Watts' American Community Renewal Act (ACRA)and other proposals would help by granting such funding even to groups promoting a faith-based social message.

   And would such public funding really survive constitutional muster? Under the "benefit" theory, it possibly could. The changing political coloration of the U.S. Supreme Court may well pack the bench with justices who take a restrictive view of the Establishment Clause, considering it to be only a check on government interference in religious affairs.

   In the meantime, with campaign 2000 already heating up, candidates of both leading parties are turning to god, religion and the churches for support. When is the last time you heard a candidate openly and positively defend the separation of church and state as a necessary feature of enlightened, secular society? In calling for "partnerships" and deals with religious groups, though, both Mr. Bush and Mr. Gore are reducing the separation of church and state to a cumbersome obstacle which can be circumvented, or an embarrassment to be mentioned only in passing.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
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GORE THREATENS THE WALL, CALLS FOR "NEW PARTNERSHIP" BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AND CHURCHES, OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS


Web Posted: May 26, 1999
n a speech replete with references to belief in god and the value of religion, Vice President Albert Gore proposed earlier this week what he termed a "New Partnership" between government and faith-based groups. Gore told a friendly audience at a Salvation Army drug rehabilitation center in Atlanta, Ga. that if elected president, "the voices of faith-based organizations will be integral to the policies set forth in my administration."

   "The 'politics of community' will be neither government doing everything, nor the churches and charities picking up the slack when government scales back," Gore declared. "A politics of community can be strengthened when we are not afraid to make connections between spirituality and politics."

   The 30-minute address drew a warm response from Gore's religious audience, and at times sounded more like a sermon than a whistle stop in his efforts to capture the White House in the 2000 elections. Although he paid lip service to "the founders' precious separation of church and state," Gore lambasted those who "have said for too long that religious values should play no role in addressing public needs," describing this as "hollow secularism."

   "I believe strongly in the separation of church and state. But freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion. There is a better way..."

   The Vice President also challenged what he described as an "allergy to faith," and praised the work of his wife, noted censorcrat Tipper Gore, for her involvement in faith-based outreach groups. He also recounted the story of how Christ House, a Washington, D.C. social service agency provided both medical treatment and "a much deeper type of healing." Gore followed that anecdotal tale with a story about a women who had gone on welfare and was finding it difficult to obtain employment, then signed up for job training at the Christian Women's Job Corps. "There, she met a woman who mentored her through prayer and Bible study, and she soon began to regain her self confidence. Faith gave her a new feeling of self worth, of purpose..."


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"I believe strongly in the separation of church and state. But freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion. There is a better way..."

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   Gore went on to praise religious social programs throughout the country, describing this merger of government and faith-based activism as "the politics of community."

   "The men and women who work in faith -- and values -- based organizations are driven by their spiritual commitment; to serve their God, they have sustained the drug-addicted, the mentally ill, the homeless... Most of all, they have done what government can never do; what it takes (is) God's help..." Playing to his Atlanta audience, the Vice President heaped praised upon the local Salvation Army, and quoted the local Captain whose motto is "Our belief in God is in all the steps to recovery."

   "I believe that faith in itself is sometimes essential to spark a personal transformation," noted Mr. Gore.


THE ASHCROFT AMENDMENT:
PUTTING RELIGIONS ON THE DOLE
   Though not mentioning it by name, Gore praised the controversial amendment by Sen. John Ashcroft which became part of a sweeping 1996 welfare reform law by inserting a Charitable Choice clause. The measure permits states to subsidize the resources of churches and other religious groups in providing social services. "They can do so with public funds -- and without having to alter the religious character that is so often the key to their effectiveness," declared Gore. In apparent contradiction, though, he then said "We must ensure that there is always a high-quality secular choice available," adding "We must continue to prohibit direct proselytizing as part of any publicly funded efforts." That flip was followed by another twist, "But we must dare to embrace faith-based approaches that advance our shared goals as Americans."

    Separationists, though, have warned that legislation such as the Ashcroft Amendment threatens to violate the prohibition on governmental "excessive entanglement" with churches and other religious groups. While government may require "secular alternatives," or mandate that no religious group is discriminated against when money is handed out, this sort of program still places the state in the dubious position of funding faith-based groups and outreaches. Others point out that faith-based organizations have no role to play in operating secular social programs, and are simply unable to separate their religious mission with any secular goals; indeed, the Salvation Army official praised by Mr. Gore declared that "belief in god" was a primary component of the organization's rehabilitation scheme. Gore noted that in many faith-based groups, a welfare client "is not a number but a child of God."


CANDIDATES EMBRACING PUBLIC RELIGIOSITY
   Gore's Atlanta speech suggests an alarming trend which is emerging in the upcoming Year 2000 race for the presidency. The Vice President faces only token opposition thus far for the Democratic Party nomination, but could encounter an uphill fight from some Republican hopefuls who have already staked out the "faith-and-values" position in their own campaigns. From feisty Pat Buchanan to Texas Governor George W. Bush, a burgeoning economy leaves the GOP field concentrating on questions involving public morality and the role of religion in a secular culture. Associated Press reporter Sandra Sobieraj observed, "For Gore, the political benefit of religious talk is twofold; it sneaks some ground out from under Republicans who have long dominated the morals debate; and, less overtly, may serve to disassociate him from Clinton's personal scandals."

   Sensing the heightened partisan confrontation over religion-in-government, Republican National Committee chairman Jim Nicholson described Gore's "New Partnership" between church and state as a welcome "change of heart," but added, "It's taken too long for candidate Gore to join Republicans in recognizing the rightful role of churches and religious organizations in solving society's most challenging and pressing problems."

   But Gore's Atlanta speech ignited debate and some concern within Democratic ranks, a possible crisis that has been building since politicians moved to capitalize on the Littleton, Colorado high school slayings last month. Elaine Kamarch, a senior policy advisor inside the Gore campaign, told the Boston Globe that "The Democratic Party is going to take back God this time," in anticipation of the 2000 presidential fight. And even before his Atlanta sermon, Gore has been playing the role of teacher and avuncular disciplinarian to the nation. Speaking at a graduation ceremony at the University of New Hampshire, Mr. Gore "launched a new phase of his presidential campaign" as he invoked "an Old Testament story in a call for young people to master the temptations of evil and sin," noted the paper.

   Dr. John Green, political scientist at the University of Akron, noted that Gore's growing emphasis on religious motifs and rhetoric, especially in the opening rounds of a presidential bid, is unusual for a Democrat. Green observed that the party "has developed a large, secular constituency of nonreligious people who don't react particularly well to religious language," and cited issues such as abortion and gay rights, and prayer in public schools. "With the shootings at Columbine and the disgust over President Clinton's sexual escapades," observed the Globe, "Green said there is a vast hunger for spirituality, meaning and morality in everyday life."

   Indeed, the Columbine shootings have precipitated a national debate over values and religion, violence in the news media, and even the role of movies, videos and music in modern culture. Some such as religious right culture guru William Bennett insist that "no price is too high" in "saving" youngsters from such alleged pernicious influences; others point to the Columbine incident as a case where tragedy is being exploited to advance narrow and intolerant sectarian agendas. Gore has used Columbine shooters Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris as examples of youngsters who "chose evil." In his New Hampshire address, the Vice President noted "The story from Genesis does have some parallel ... these boys described themselves as outcasts and felt rejected. They became vulnerable to a choice that can be characterized as good and evil..."

   While Gore warned against government "proscribing what religious beliefs any family should take," he maintained that there is "abundant evidence that if religious observance is consistent with the value system of that family, there are lots of benefits to children if they are taught those values and traditions from the earliest years on." The report in the Boston Globe said that Gore "does not reject people who have embraced atheism," although the Democratic front-runner said "I don't agree with it."
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2006, 11:51:00 AM
your experiences are bullshit. you were the biggest slut in the homes. we all know that you were fucking every person, male and felmale, you could get your greasy hands and clit on
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
*wondering who this post is for*
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2006, 09:03:00 PM
Hey, its strange no one's been in a good fight in here in a long time. Its actually cool again.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2006, 03:21:00 PM
Is this Lisa Goodman????
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2006, 09:36:00 PM
I don't know who any of you people are, but I think it's crappy to ask for someone by name.  Perhaps whoever posted that does not yet want you to know who she is.  And if it's not Lisa Goodman, then Lisa Goodman may not want her name appearing anywhere here.  

I remember Lisa Goodman, and I'd like to thank her for her strength for staying true to herself in such an oppressive enviornment - she was awesome.  Please don't "out" anyone else, it's shabby behavior.

Tammy Gordon
[email protected]
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2006, 03:40:00 PM
I must've missed the post where she was "outed"  :roll:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2006, 07:00:00 PM
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.  I'm just talking about people's names.  I'm sure there are many people who would not want their full name posted here.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2006, 12:50:00 PM
It's OK, I don't mind being "outed" Yes, I often wonder what happened to a lot of the girls....Rebekah was a lifetime ago, we've all changed, and for sure grown up...

Maybe if we did post our names we could find out how many of us are still around, and how everyone is doing. I just hope everyone is enjoying and savoring each day.  Peace to you all!

Lisa Goodman
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2006, 02:40:00 PM
it's a public forum.

like it or not anyone can pretty much say anything (that includes dropping names)here UNLESS it is SLANDER.

From the other posts, I can clearly see Lisa was not slandered, in fact the posts reflect positive memories of Lisa.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2006, 04:53:00 PM
You guys are acting like I'm dead, "Positive Memories."  Dang, thanks for making something positive out of the experience.  I'm alive and kicking, living life to the fullest.  

Lisa Goodman
 :wave:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2006, 01:01:00 AM
who is Lisa Goodman?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2006, 01:05:00 AM
6 months ago my husband was sentenced to a year in prison it has been the lonliest time of my life my girlfriend of ten years from the home made a trip to my place to cheer me up one weekend we had a blast remembering and giggling acting like silly teenagers any way on her last night there we were sitting around drinking and smoking a little weed when she asked if i would like a back massage i said sure she told me to take my shirt off and when i did she started to rub my back and she then climed up on my butt to get a better anglwe and it was feeling great but i was also getting very aroused and i started wiggling around and then she started to rock her pussy alittle on my butt and she leaned forward and whispered in my ear that i was turning her on . at this point i told i felt the same way and she told me to turn over and when i did she pulled off my shorts and spread my legs and i asked if i could undress her and she told me to wait just a bit well she started stroking my inner thighs real gently and she was breathing lightly on my clit i felt like my pussy was going to explode and she kept licking me a little harder and i was thrusting my pussy into her face but she kept stopping and holding back then all of the sudden she stood up and undressed and told me she had never been with a woman but she fantasized about me a lot lately but she said she wanted to do something more intimate than eat each others pussies we would get to that later and she spread my legs far apart and mounted her swollen pussy over mine pulling my clit apart and hers also and we started rubbbing each clits slowly back and forth and it was the most amazing thing i had ever felt and we were grinding each other so hard then she positioned herself so her legs were were kinda scissored around mine and got a better position for rubbing our pussys together and our wet pussies were starting to make the most exquisite wet slurping noises i have ever heard we rubbed real slow at first getting harder and faster and i could feel her sof swollen clit getting so hard and we were moaning and she ws asking me had i ever felt anything so good i had to admit i didnt i was ready to explode and so was she and we were rubbing each other like no tomorrow and when we came it seemed to be the deepest strongest orgasm i have ever had we lay yed on each other for and hour or so and she rolled over and guided my clit back onto her and she was on the bottom this time ihave never been so aroused so quick in my life and soon we were soaking wet again we came together again until we were spent. the guilt of this is killing me because i would have never thought i would cheat on my husband whom i love with all my might. we always had a playful little fantasy about having a nother woman but i feel so guilty should i tell him  I told him about the home but just not my old room mate.
 this is kind of embarressing to bring back up, but am going 2 anyway. I remember this one time, not to long ago, I was in my apartment with my best friend over. She was continuously talking about her boyfriend, and when I told her I was tired of hearing about him, she got mad and said that I was just hating because i haven't had a boyfriend since i was 17 and now im 40. I was mad, now I mean I was really pissed off so I went into my room. She eventually tried to come in there and get all up under me while I was lying on my bed. I got up and left into the living room and she followed me there. I got tired of running from her and while we were sitting on the couch, she apologized to me and gave me a friendly peck on the lips. I gave her a hug and she rubbed her face in my breast. She brought her head back up and we started kissing. She was grabbing my breasts and rubbing my nipples, making my pussy very wet. I pulled up her skirt and used my fingers to move her panties out the way and I fingered her with my middle finger. She started moaning and that made me horny. I stuck my ring finger in her too and started thrusting hard. She was coming to her peak so I took my fingers out. She smiled and kissed me, as if to say thank you then she went down and pulled my sweatpants off. She started to rub her tongue on my clit and I was moaning and I really didnt want her to stop. She stuck her tongue inside me and when I was about to cum, she didn't stop. She just went faster. I was about to scream then I cummed in her mouth and she sucked it all up. She started to finger me but I told her to stop. I enjoyed it sooooo much but we shouldn't do it. She understood and told me that she loved me and that whenever I wanted to do it again, she would be ready for me. That was a wonderful day and I've been fantasizing about it since and I dont know if I should tell her that I want to do it again. PLEASE somebody HELP ME! Im confused   and horny!
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2006, 09:20:00 PM
This is really not the right forum to post that. This is a public forum and it's meant to inform others about what goes on in the roloff homes and for former students to talk to each other.  If you want to share your amorous encounters, try writing to hustler magazine.
Yvette
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2006, 09:45:00 PM
who wrote this?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 05:36:00 AM
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On 2006-04-17 18:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is really not the right forum to post that. This is a public forum and it's meant to inform others about what goes on in the roloff homes and for former students to talk to each other.  If you want to share your amorous encounters, try writing to hustler magazine.

Yvette"
penthouse also has great forum
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 01:52:00 PM
yeah, penthouse probably does.  You know what I think?  I think someone took two stories from a book, magazine or forum and just changed a few words in there to make it sound like someone from the homes.  I will bet it's not even a woman.  If you notice, she claims her husband has been in prison 6 months, then in second paragraph says that she hasn't had a boyfriend since she was 17.
Dude, get your stories straight at least.
Yvette
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2006, 09:58:00 AM
It's been so long since I've had sex I've forgotten who ties up whom. Blue :roll:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
Get a life.

 :scared:
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2006, 01:26:00 AM
Do you think that he wasn't a true Christian? I remember listening to him every morning during breakfast. I know he died with the Palmers daughter, Cheryl. I believe she was in the home. Did you ever hear that song "Willing" that she wrote. I dont know much about Bro. Roloff but I remember hearing him every morning for 365 days straight.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2006, 02:28:00 AM
what the fuck does this have to do with rebekah? damn you are a stupid whore
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2006, 02:30:00 AM
do you have pictures.if we were able to see pictures, then and only then could we truly help you
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2006, 02:31:00 AM
i agree this chick has no clue.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
I lived with the Palmers in Corpus and they did not have any sons.  This is another Palmer.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: cloud9mom on May 19, 2006, 10:20:00 PM
Melanie, I'm so glad that the Roloff Homes helped you. But even you would have to admit that the odds of girls that actually were helped and not abused,not having memory lapses due to brain washing with the tapes played nightly, are sadly lacking.The Roloffs are were and are a cult. Plain and simple.God is love,not hatred.The Roloffs, Camerons,Wills,and the Barnwells were about control. They wanted to control your body and soul.God wants you to accept HIS love.He gives you the choice, Heaven or Hell. Your pick.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2006, 09:47:00 PM
Hi,

I think I was there in 79-80 and I don't remember the home closing.  Maybe I was there 80-81.  I'm 40 now and I was 14 then.

My question is, why does it take us 20 years to even begin to talk about what happened to us in there?  What's up with that.

I remember the fruit.  There was a hurricane and they shipped us all somewhere but I remember peach trees.  Peaches.

Beautiful post, by the way.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on June 11, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
I just remembered about the peaches the other day. I tried some peach tea and never had before but the second I did Roloff came to mind eating a big peach.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2006, 05:36:00 PM
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On 2006-04-29 22:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Do you think that he wasn't a true Christian? I remember listening to him every morning during breakfast. I know he died with the Palmers daughter, Cheryl. I believe she was in the home. Did you ever hear that song "Willing" that she wrote. I dont know much about Bro. Roloff but I remember hearing him every morning for 365 days straight."


I don't know about you and not being mean but I still hear him.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2006, 05:40:00 PM
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On 2006-06-10 18:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hi,



I think I was there in 79-80 and I don't remember the home closing.  Maybe I was there 80-81.  I'm 40 now and I was 14 then.



My question is, why does it take us 20 years to even begin to talk about what happened to us in there?  What's up with that.



I remember the fruit.  There was a hurricane and they shipped us all somewhere but I remember peach trees.  Peaches.



Beautiful post, by the way.



"



What took me so long was I did not know how to work a computer. ::blushing::
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: pamwoodger on May 09, 2007, 10:54:58 PM
i was in the rebekah home in 2000 please tell me that there is someone here who remembers me and can get back to me. i am trying to connect with friends from those days.
Title: New Beginnings Web Site
Post by: Chai on May 10, 2007, 10:59:47 PM
newbeginningsgirlsacademy.com
Title: New Beginnings Girls Academy
Post by: Chai on May 31, 2007, 10:59:39 PM
My friends just brought their daughter home from New Beginnings for her 10-day visit after being there for a year. She will be 18 in August and doesn't want to go back and she won't be going back. For those of you interested, if/when I hear reports of how the school has operated over this last year, I will post so that those of you who have friends there will have an idea of how it is currently. You can also check out newbeginningsgirlsacademy.com if you want to see pictures. They are opening another facility in Missouri.
Chai
Title: Rebekah girl from 80-81
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2007, 10:34:45 PM
Hello, My name is Ginger Hoover and I was in Rebekah from 1980 to 81.  I cant believe most of what I am reading.  Rebekah was a save haven! I think those that are writing terrible things about Rebekah are not Christan at all and couldnt stand discipline or correction.  They wanted to live their filthy lives, which consisted of drugs, sex, pregnancy and diseases.  Someone loved me enough to send me to Rebekah where i could be protected from the world.  I thank the Lord everyday for the year I spent in Rebekah.  Cult?  That is so laughable.   I never seen lockup.  I never seen any abuse while I was there.  I knew of one girl in a whole year that went to lockup.  If you are going to act crazy and disrupt a peaceful enviroment then you need some time out!  Good grief!!  I was fed very well! I had a clean soft bed, clean room with shag carpet.  Loving people all around!  A great education!  It so sad to read the horrible things that are being said about Rebekah.  To those of you who love the Lord I have a great website that you can go to and listen to some of the best online sermons ever heard.  My favorite preacher to listen to is Henry Mahan.  The spiritual growth  that you will recieve is such a great comfort !  
www.sovereign-grace.com/sermon.htm (http://www.sovereign-grace.com/sermon.htm)

May the Lord Bless those who are His,
Ginger Hoover

My life verse:  Psm 40:2  He brought me up also out of an HORRIBLE PIT, out of the Miry Clay and set my feet upon a rock and established my goings.  (That rock is Christ my Savior)
Title: Roloff Homes
Post by: lorrispickelmire on August 29, 2007, 11:19:19 PM
I am a Rebekah Survivor from 85-86  I have resently started a healing and support group on yahoo groups for survivors of all of the Roloff homes.  You are all welcome to join us at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ro ... ngNetwork/ (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RoloffSurvivorsHealingNetwork/)
if you are still needing a place to go for some real healing.  Pro-Roloff people are not wanted or welcome.  Those homes were trecherous, and I am looking for people who still have issues to work through.

Lorri
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 30, 2007, 02:33:46 AM
I know that the homes were abusing and torturing people, and to read some of the responses from girls saying it didn't happen I am sickened.  Nobody from 85-86 dare say that they weren't abusive, because when the diabetic girl went in to diabetic shock and Mrs. Barrett thought she was faking, she almost died, if a staff member had not gotten her help she would have.  We were forced to sit in the hall for hours and listen to a long winded but not heartfelt apology out of that woman.  Nightime meds were given to anyone who they thought posed a threat, and I have no idea what they gave us.  I had to take them for a month after I came back from my visit.  I also didn't have periods while I was there, and never have been regular since, though it did not keep me from getting pregnant.  I was made to kneel on pencils for over 8 hours in a bathtub during the first week back from my visit.  Mrs. Barrett stayed all night in our room that night.  If I tried to rest back on my heals, she hit me.
For those who think the nameless here are not telling the truth, my name is my screenname, I was beaten until I bled, I was put in lock-up, I was tortured, I was personnally accused of witchcraft.  Yes, I had been a wild child prior to Rebekah, because of trying to cope with childhood sexual abuse.  I was guilty of self medication also, but when your father is a babyraping baptist preacher these things happen.  I did not hate Roloff for taking away my freedom, I hated them for saying I deserved what had happened to me.  Mrs. Barrett has the heart of a rattlesnake, and is just as venomous.  Bro. Barrett was a perv and a bully.  Mrs. Cameron should have been a Nazi soldier in another lifetime, and Wiley was a wolf in sheeps clothing.  I know this sounds like a lot of bitterness for something that happened twenty years ago, but how long is the appropriate amount of time for righteous indignation at child abuse?  I will get over it when they are all in hell with private little demons using the "board of education" on them.
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on August 30, 2007, 08:34:06 PM
Has anyone ever figured out why so many of us never had periods?
I wish I knew what drugs they gave us.I remember a white powder mixed with water that tasted down right  tart, not like a sweet tart either. Maybe vitamin c?
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: hanzomon4 on August 30, 2007, 08:42:28 PM
I believe it's stress, quiet a few survivors have had the same experience. I first heard about it when looking into the abuse at New Bethany in Louisiana. A WWASPS survivor mentioned experiencing the same thing here on fornits. You could look into drugs that can cause this(as it's main purpose or side effect) but prolonged terror could produce this without drugs... I think
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 07:51:32 PM
May God forgive you all for the hateful, selfish, and hurtful things you say about the homes and people who loved God. I never saw anything of this sort happen to anyone. I only have good memories and instilled in my heart many character traits that sadly to say many of you who lacked such things went to the homes in the first place. Many of you were sent there against your will filled with bitter hatred, deeply wounded, lonely, sad, pathetic wicked people who interpreted "discipline" as being beaten and terribly mistreated -- oh poor you so spoiled rotten that you couldn't take any type of reprimand and no it wasn't abuse at all. And it only shows how you all are still in the same place in life today as you were the day you walked through the gate at the farm and this is so sad to hear. I for one have no regrets and would do it all over again if need be. Not everyone is able to be strong enough to love and take in such stubborn, strong-willed, rude, law-breaking, society rejects and not fold. Most of you should have just been sent straight to juve/prison --maybe you would have been treated like royalty -- you need to earn respect -- you give it and you receive it. But, you are still going to feel the way you do and I'm glad I didn't allow the devil to win this battle -- this is one I won by God's wonderful grace and mercy and today lead a fulfilling, happy, and wonderful life and don't allow such petty things to be strongholds in my life as you do. Get over it--life's to short and oh so precious if you treat it right.
Title: denial
Post by: lorrispickelmire on September 04, 2007, 07:59:04 PM
You may have had a different experience, but to spout mean and hateful crap at people who are just trying to work through what happened to them at the homes shows your smallness of spirit.  God will judge what happened in the homes, and you will probably be suprised at the judgement rendered.  If you want to live in denial you are welcome to it, but you have no right to ask others to.  If you were firm in your belief, you would use your name.  I do!  I have never been to prison, or been in any other source of trouble.  I am happily married, with a great kid, and grandbaby on the way.  You are a vicous little blackhearted person, and I hope you enjoy the view up there on your high horse, because God is liable to knock you off.

Lorri
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: hanzomon4 on September 04, 2007, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
May God forgive you all for the hateful, selfish, and hurtful things you say about the homes and people who loved God. I never saw anything of this sort happen to anyone. I only have good memories and instilled in my heart many character traits that sadly to say many of you who lacked such things went to the homes in the first place. Many of you were sent there against your will filled with bitter hatred, deeply wounded, lonely, sad, pathetic wicked people who interpreted "discipline" as being beaten and terribly mistreated -- oh poor you so spoiled rotten that you couldn't take any type of reprimand and no it wasn't abuse at all. And it only shows how you all are still in the same place in life today as you were the day you walked through the gate at the farm and this is so sad to hear. I for one have no regrets and would do it all over again if need be. Not everyone is able to be strong enough to love and take in such stubborn, strong-willed, rude, law-breaking, society rejects and not fold. Most of you should have just been sent straight to juve/prison --maybe you would have been treated like royalty -- you need to earn respect -- you give it and you receive it. But, you are still going to feel the way you do and I'm glad I didn't allow the devil to win this battle -- this is one I won by God's wonderful grace and mercy and today lead a fulfilling, happy, and wonderful life and don't allow such petty things to be strongholds in my life as you do. Get over it--life's to short and oh so precious if you treat it right.


Shut up, really...

I'm not a rude person but you just posted a ton of bull shit. The homes were shut down because of abuse and the only person not obeying the law was the school by refusing to get licensed in Texas, amongst other things. Beating children, locking them up in closets, and forcing girls to adopt away their babies is beyond cruel. This program is as close to God as Satan in hell, and I suspect that you are nothing more then a troll.
Title: I'm with Hanzonmon
Post by: lorrispickelmire on September 04, 2007, 09:31:48 PM
What kind of person uses someone elses hurt against them?
Title: shut down
Post by: lorrispickelmire on September 04, 2007, 09:33:58 PM
not shut down, moved and names changed.  several still open.

Lorri
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: hanzomon4 on September 04, 2007, 09:56:26 PM
Of course, like Straight....
Title: exactly
Post by: lorrispickelmire on September 04, 2007, 10:04:57 PM
They get in trouble, move, change name, and start all over again.  I have done some major research on this, and if GUEST wants to give me her email I would be happy to flood her box with reports from every major news corp in the country.

Lorri
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2007, 11:43:53 PM
oh i have better things to do with my time than sit here and type back and forth wallowing in self pity and shame dwelling on past things that are all in your heads, I just wanted to check back to see your replies and how defensive some of you get -- it's kinda sad, but at the same time kinda funny. I really don't mean to be ugly --uh troll oh come on - I'm just entitled to my opinion just as you all are and every once in awhile like to drop in to read up on these silly yet quite entertaining stories of yours sans of course  the "really bad" things that happened to you. Oh well, continue on and may God bless you all because his love is everlasting -- this is nothing new to Him -- just this sinful world doing what it does best...taking the glory away from God and may I add that you too "friend" have your place in the judgment line and may God have mercy on your soul -- for I look forward to that day because I have nothing to fear and am at peace within. So, go ahead and post up your once again negative reply for I will not allow you the privilege of response because I don't need to keep reading your pathetic sad stories over and over again. Please try dedicating as much energy and time as some of you do on these blogs and "research" and turn it to God, your children and families and who knows you may find true peace, joy, and happiness within yourselves. Just give it a try ;)
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: hanzomon4 on September 06, 2007, 12:01:14 AM
If you don't like these stories of "self pity" so much why keep coming back,  :rofl:
Title: Hanz, don't waste your time:
Post by: lorrispickelmire on September 06, 2007, 12:55:09 AM
I went back and read through the forums connected to Roloff, and Guest has been posting that crap anonymously for years.  It is some sick and twisted wreck that thrives on others pain.

Lorri
Title: Re: exactly
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2007, 08:09:07 AM
Quote from: ""lorrispickelmire""
They get in trouble, move, change name, and start all over again.  I have done some major research on this, and if GUEST wants to give me her email I would be happy to flood her box with reports from every major news corp in the country.

Lorri


Lorri,..(?)

are you Lorri or Loretta?

you signed it off under Lorri's name

hummm
Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: GentleStormi on September 07, 2007, 08:33:50 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
oh i have better things to do with my time than sit here and type back and forth wallowing in self pity and shame dwelling on past things that are all in your heads, I just wanted to check back to see your replies and how defensive some of you get -- it's kinda sad, but at the same time kinda funny. I really don't mean to be ugly --uh troll oh come on - I'm just entitled to my opinion just as you all are and every once in awhile like to drop in to read up on these silly yet quite entertaining stories of yours sans of course  the "really bad" things that happened to you. Oh well, continue on and may God bless you all because his love is everlasting -- this is nothing new to Him -- just this sinful world doing what it does best...taking the glory away from God and may I add that you too "friend" have your place in the judgment line and may God have mercy on your soul -- for I look forward to that day because I have nothing to fear and am at peace within. So, go ahead and post up your once again negative reply for I will not allow you the privilege of response because I don't need to keep reading your pathetic sad stories over and over again. Please try dedicating as much energy and time as some of you do on these blogs and "research" and turn it to God, your children and families and who knows you may find true peace, joy, and happiness within yourselves. Just give it a try ;)





Hi,

i have not been to Fornits in quite some time, just dropped in this morning, and have to apolgize here, but can you give me some bible verses that support your display of scorn and disdain for the broken and wounded? Can you please post some verses that support your theories of Christs condemnation to those whom he came to sit and eat dinner with? can you put some verses up here to actually support your sneering views of being holier than thou?

If you would do that then i think i could might actually engage you into a discussion as if we both were sane sensible thinkers who would go to the word of God to find out what it actually does have to say about the broken and bruised, what it does actually say about being compassionate to those who are hurt, instead of sneering down on them like you were some high and mighty monarch who had some standing of rightness in Gods prescence based solely on your own sense of being better than the rest of them

what does the bible say? be angry, but in your anger do not do evil. if you are a christian, why do you not show tears and compassion to those who were wounded by those who called themself Gods people? i wrote recently on my blog about Hagar, she was an outcast, and how did God treat Hagar?
Sarah and Abraham used this poor slave girl, used her and raised up her hopes of being among the elite with them then without thought to her personhoood cast them down, Sarah in her failure to trust in God, (a sin, yah, amazing to find that high people of Gods are sinners too, huh?)  she sold her slave girl out to get pregnant by Abraham, Abraham was a man, not a god. Roloff was also a man, not a god.Just sinners themselves. called by Gods name.

Sarah,  in her failure to trust and obey God ,wanted to "fix" this messy problem and so began to abuse Hagar, and this was not Gods doing, it was not of God to do that to Hagar, it was Sarah who did that, not God, Sarah beat the child, Sarah used her and disregarded her personhood. why? Because of failing faith in what God said he was going to do.

People in Gods name do terrible wrongs to others, they can be found to use them as if they were expendable. They then after using them, can be found to have toss them out ,

But God had a plan for Hagar, and what a wonderful thing that Hagar was honored to be the first woman God made direct communication to in the history of Genesis, an "outcast", the social reject, the used one, a woman that had been physically, emotionally and sexually abused and used, all by Gods "people".

does this mean God would then renig on his promises to Sarah and Abraham? no...because Gods faithfulness is not mans way of dealings, when God promises something he comes through with it. no matter how many "people of God" screw it up and hurt others in their falthLESSness.
people, all persons are broken and sin, abraham and sarah were no exception to that fact. God works with sinners, not those who are not in need of him. Christ said that in his phrase: "I did not come to call the righteous to returning back, but sinners" and "It is not the whole people who need a doctor, but it is the hurting and wounded ones who are in need of fixing and attention by a doctor"
(paraphrase)

Remember Hagar, ...the outcast and Gods compassion to her to meet her in her outcast place. there she was sobbing, weeping wailing and crying her heart and soul out, and God came down to meet with her, in her wilderness experience without family without roots, with out acceptance and in her desert of rejection, he met her there and honored her in a very specific manner to promise to her also his promises. God cared for her

the bible tells us of a God of compassion, one who sits and visits with us, one who seeks to mend the hearts that were broken by those who were "people of God", God promises not to snuff out the flickering candle, God promises to not break the bruised and bent over reed, even when humans in their sinning will think to break down and think its even God sevice to do that,

but God wants to set people free from all the hurt and brokenness and sadly, here you come in your own self sense of being "right and correct and pure before God" (sounds satanic to me, for there is NO ONE who can stand before God and say "Look at Me God, i am better because i dont hurt, i am better because i dont harp on the past" sounds a lot like pride satan exhibited)
but yet you breeze in here assuming that you have some better standing with God than the rest of broken humanity who is being honest, they are honest and God seeks honest people, not dishonest who pretend they are better, God can work more with those who are at least honest about their feelings, than he ever could with someone who wanted to gloss over the pain inside, who assumes they are superior because they dont "talk" about what hurts them,

please remember to post some verses to stand on where you feel you are justified in going around to condemn everyone here, just because they are real and honest persons. they speak about the truth of what happened to them, they allow their pain to be expressed about what is in them, and do not hide it, this is real and honest and those who condemn such honesty are not working with God but against him, for he hates falsehood.

go ahead post those verses that make you out to be someone who has earned some right to sit in a judges podium and stake out the laws and condemnation. please i want to see these verses .....

i dont know what scriptural gounds you are standing on?

in the bible i have not found your attitude to be in Christ at all,  maybe your attitude is more seeable in the religious Pharisees?whom Christ eventually said that they were like "whitewashed tombs filled with dead mens bones" , and he tagged the Pharisees attitudes in their "religiousity" as the vipers, not the regular people who needed hellp.

GentleStormi
SistersSurvivors
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloff-si ... -bethesda/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloff-sistersurvivorssupport_rebekah-bethesda/)

http://roloffsisterssurvivors.bravehost.com/index.html (http://roloffsisterssurvivors.bravehost.com/index.html)
Title: Re: Rebekah girl from 80-81
Post by: GentleStormi on September 07, 2007, 09:10:36 AM
Quote from: ""ging3rhoffman""
Hello, My name is Ginger Hoover and I was in Rebekah from 1980 to 81.  I cant believe most of what I am reading.  Rebekah was a save haven! I think those that are writing terrible things about Rebekah are not Christan at all and couldnt stand discipline or correction.  They wanted to live their filthy lives, which consisted of drugs, sex, pregnancy and diseases.  Someone loved me enough to send me to Rebekah where i could be protected from the world.  I thank the Lord everyday for the year I spent in Rebekah.  Cult?  That is so laughable.   I never seen lockup.  I never seen any abuse while I was there.  I knew of one girl in a whole year that went to lockup.  If you are going to act crazy and disrupt a peaceful enviroment then you need some time out!  Good grief!!  I was fed very well! I had a clean soft bed, clean room with shag carpet.  Loving people all around!  A great education!  It so sad to read the horrible things that are being said about Rebekah.  To those of you who love the Lord I have a great website that you can go to and listen to some of the best online sermons ever heard.  My favorite preacher to listen to is Henry Mahan.  The spiritual growth  that you will recieve is such a great comfort !  
www.sovereign-grace.com/sermon.htm (http://www.sovereign-grace.com/sermon.htm)

May the Lord Bless those who are His,
Ginger Hoover

My life verse:  Psm 40:2  He brought me up also out of an HORRIBLE PIT, out of the Miry Clay and set my feet upon a rock and established my goings.  (That rock is Christ my Savior)



Hi Ginger,
wow, you know i had tried to kill myself when i was 14, i had been tossed between 3 families in my larger family system. i was not on drugs, i was not doing anything that warrented a juvenile correctional lockdown facility, i was being used and abused, my perpetrator was an older man in my family, who took my trust and used it to his own sickness, i was a victim, i was his sexual abuse victim, i had been raised in a family that had violence and and perversions in it. i was a "lost child" looking for somene to help me grow up right, i needed a caretaker who would be there day after day. i had given my trust to Jesus at age 10, but that trust got used, abused, and was left to the wolves, i NEEDED adult oversight and care, not beatings for everytime i hollered.

if i were to come to you and take a sledgehammer and smash it into your feet, and break and shatter your bones, what would your reaction be?
if you hollered, you would be normal
if you sat there and said nothing, but "thank you" and walked off you would be a non human non real freako.
if you hollered and the police came and put you in jail for hollering, you would have been given some severe injustice in that matter, if you were furhter beaten for even "talking" about it, then you would have been severely wronged.

so why do those who were in the homes who had it ok, beat up on those who were not so fortunate? not everyone experienced those juvenile lock down facilities the same. you assume your story of being on drugs and living in filth is everyone elses story, that is pretty darn assumptious of you, just because Lester Roloff had the power to slander our characters and run our persons into the mud, does not make it right.

you never saw lockup? were you among the snooty cameron pleasers and kissing their butts?

lockup was right smack on the hall way down you could not hve missed it, go back and revisit the dorm, the lockup room is still in the same place, you must have been snowed out on something, to have missed lockup?

Mrs Cameron took that heavy board and beat me 32 hits with it. I counted each strike, and never forgot that. That is extreme coporeal punishement and the punishment did not fit the crime, i was not given any one to help me or counsel me. what was my crime? that warranted 32 hits? "i talked to a new girl and said something about running" , which if they were sincerely wanting to help me then they would have sat me down and asked me why i had done that, and listened to what was motivating me, and they would have realized the fact that running was not what i wanted, i would not have ran, i was too chicken to have run, what i really wanted and needed was to know i mattered,

do you consider 32 hits by Mrs Cameron onto my backside, while i am running around her office chair in her office, screaming and pleading for mercy, do you consider that abusive or do you consider that normal child care or teen care? and also, can you produce any writings found in the New Testament by Paul or any other of the Church Writers of the first century that justify that kind of extreme beating? Did you forget that one where Paul told the "Fathers" to not provoke their children to anger and discouragement? but to gently rear them up as cared for and cultivated to be who God created them to be in nurture and guidance?

can you even explain what Solomon was observing in his famous wisdom writings? in Proverbs? did you take time out to read the history of the culture of his times? his culture and how they lived life in that context? did you take time out to even know that Proverbs is a form of Oriental Poetry and Hebrew Poetry? that its written to be read a certain way?

if you consider that kind of beating normal, then there is something seriously wrong with your sense of what is right and what is wrong,

stand a moment and look around your high lofty place and see the results, Christ said, that "Wisdom is proven of its children"

what are the results Ginger? tell me and show me the results? what is the outcome of Roloffs juvenile lockdown facilities he dared to call homes and churches?

for those who had been given "sledgehammers"  into their bones (their spirits) and their bones were broken, and they hollered/reacted in normal human pain), the treatement in the Roloff juveniles lockdown facilities were the jail they were thrown into for expressing pain.
yet, they were the normal ones, they were exhibiting normal human expression of pain and woundedness.

i was not ever on drugs, i did not sleep around i was an abuse victim and because of my earlier years of abuse i was primed and ready to be a victim as i grew.

healing work in part,  is about venting the pain, the pain that because we were treated as common criminals, and programmed robots who could quote what they wanted us to parrot, we learned to stuff our real feelings for years, that now finds expression in years later we can finlly HOLLER IT OUT, what hurts....that delayed reaction.

healing work is that and much more, it also includes a personal  walk and journey to know God and find the real God, (you wont be successful in removing God from the healing all the way, i..e you can heal to a point, but there will always be that place unhealed that has to do with how you view your Maker, because everything the Roloff persons did was done in his name)

to discern between the God of the Bible and the demonic god (spirit of condemnation, spirit of fear, spirit of control) found in the dorms, and to know that the God of the Bible did not beat me, and to know that the God of the Bible was not the god that was mind controlled and mercilessly beaten into our beings, without any thinking and or sense, to robotize us as mere robots to become "llittle roloffs who resound the voice of Big Roloff" is sick, it is dehumanizing what is human,

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Title: Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
Post by: GentleStormi on September 07, 2007, 09:52:31 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
May God forgive you all for the hateful, selfish, and hurtful things you say about the homes and people who loved God. I never saw anything of this sort happen to anyone. I only have good memories and instilled in my heart many character traits that sadly to say many of you who lacked such things went to the homes in the first place. Many of you were sent there against your will filled with bitter hatred, deeply wounded, lonely, sad, pathetic wicked people who interpreted "discipline" as being beaten and terribly mistreated -- oh poor you so spoiled rotten that you couldn't take any type of reprimand and no it wasn't abuse at all. And it only shows how you all are still in the same place in life today as you were the day you walked through the gate at the farm and this is so sad to hear. I for one have no regrets and would do it all over again if need be. Not everyone is able to be strong enough to love and take in such stubborn, strong-willed, rude, law-breaking, society rejects and not fold. Most of you should have just been sent straight to juve/prison --maybe you would have been treated like royalty -- you need to earn respect -- you give it and you receive it. But, you are still going to feel the way you do and I'm glad I didn't allow the devil to win this battle -- this is one I won by God's wonderful grace and mercy and today lead a fulfilling, happy, and wonderful life and don't allow such petty things to be strongholds in my life as you do. Get over it--life's to short and oh so precious if you treat it right.


Jesus came to take away the sins of the whole world. every sin ever committed and every sin that still will be commmitted has been paid for, there only needs remain the persons ability to lean onto the Lord for trusting in that what Christ did on calvarly,
i can see why your approach here may not be working and coming across in a way that is helpful, apparently  there is no offer of love, or compassion from you.
It says that Christ did not come into the world to judge it, but to save it.
yet here you audaciously stand here and tout that you are his, and yet show no mercy , no love and no open door to the ones who need love, compassoin and mercy.
the bible says to those who show no mercy, no mercy shall be given to them.


Faceless nameless said:
Many of you were sent there against your will filled with bitter hatred, deeply wounded, lonely, sad, pathetic wicked people who interpreted "discipline" as being beaten and terribly mistreated --

Gentlestormi says:
you sure know all the facts on all the thousands who walked through the homes, dont you? were you given access to all of everyones files? read all their personal history (if there were any)? you seem to be filled with utmost knowlege about each and every single individual that went through the homes, or are you basing such horrid judgements from your judges podium upon what Roloff had to say about us as a whole?
Roloff did not see individuals,
Roloff saw a lump of ugliness that was a obviously was a projection of his own issues, he was a sexist for he exhibited in word and in action his belief in the inferiority of women and he exhibited in word and action an abusive way of treating them. He did not see us as girls with minds and individual ilves, he saw us as he projected his own warped issues onto us females, "whores , witches, prostitutes" his harsh stance was rooted more than likely in how he grew up. he was extremely sexist to my opinion because of this denigration to females on his compound and who were in his homes.

for your information, namless faceless poster, i actually agreed to go to see Roloff, i actually hoped it was a safe place for me, i wanted to be in a safe place, i needed to get away from abusive people in my family of origins, who were not caring for me but were using me and abusing, me,

i remember sitting across from Lester in his office at the People's Church, i remember the "interview" i recall how badly i wanted to escape my hellish home life, and hoped he would let me stay,

it turned out nameless faceless person, that my trust was shattered, the place was no haven of rest, it was a pit from the dungeons of hell, my own Dad years later has said that to me, he now realizes how wrong they were to trust in Camerons, and he said that Rebekah Home was a "Dungeon from the pits of hell" and he is right, this was something coming from my own dad who actually was a roloff supporter for years, and also an extremisits and fundamentalists in that mindset for years.

at least nameless faceless has amitted to us being deeply wounded. but i wonder why nameless faceless is not showing compassion and help to those who were wounded?

namelessfaceless said:
oh poor you so spoiled rotten that you couldn't take any type of reprimand and no it wasn't abuse at all.


from Gentlestormi:
so spoiled rotten? yes, i remember how spoiled i was for hurting, i lay in a hospital bed with stiches in my arm because of my deep depression at age 14, from all the abuses from sexual perverts and controllers, i was accused then of being selfish and uncaring. oddly i was not given any rights to scream or even cry when i was being hurt. i was totally told i had to be non human, and this is dehumanizing of others created in Gods Own image and who are all based on that,worthy.

in my way of hearing you and experiencing your post, your attitude smells badly and i would think it stinks to Gods throne room and you bring upon the name of Christ a blasphemous stench. unless of course you can pull out the word of God and stand on it, use the verses that justify this attitude?

where is the love? or did you forget that love endures, that love is kind, that love is something that is thoughtful of others, that love waits patiently? did you forget that love never gives up? that love never throws in the towels on that which it loves? that love is always there, and never dies out? obviously you have no show of love for those who need wound care. if i were the doctor i would not let you into the room with those who needed care, you would obviously be abusive and sneering to these wounded, you would not be allowed in the room with them, for your apparent spirit of hatred to them is so high it is grossly negligent of what God tells you to do:
help them , reach them
yet, you are preaching as if the purpose of preaching were to nail them and judge them and tell them what horrid beings you think of them. you do not know the God of love and compassion, i dont know what god you do know, whatever you seem to know its apparently dead and inactive and not working in your post above.

nameless facelesssaid:
 Not everyone is able to be strong