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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: marcwordsmith on December 03, 2005, 09:10:00 PM
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One of the ways I comforted myself during and after the Seed was with music. I projected very personal meanings and messages into the rock music of the day. Like the song "From the Beginning" by Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, with its refrain:
You see it's all clear
You were meant to be here
From the beginning
I took that to mean that, for reasons I could not fathom, even the Seed was somehow part of the master plan for my life. I needed to believe it made some sort of sense, fit into some larger scheme.
The album Who's Next was a really big deal for me; I escaped so much into that record. It's hard to say exactly what made it feel so relevant to me. Maybe just the whole tone of it, the spiritual yearning, the hurt.
And the "teenage wasteland" refrain made really feel not alone. When Townshend sang, "Don't cry, don't raise your eye, it's only teenage wasteland," I felt like he was telling me to forget it--teenagehood would be, for me, a scarred battlefield that I could leave behind some day for better places. (And maybe many troubled teenagers, in all kinds of situations, heard it that way, and maybe that's part of why that phrase resonated for so very many kids.)
Anybody else take comfort in music or song lyrics during the Seed era in their lives?
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On 2005-12-03 18:10:00, marcwordsmith wrote:
"One of the ways I comforted myself during and after the Seed was with music. I projected very personal meanings and messages into the rock music of the day. Like the song "From the Beginning" by Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, with its refrain:
You see it's all clear
You were meant to be here
From the beginning
I took that to mean that, for reasons I could not fathom, even the Seed was somehow part of the master plan for my life. I needed to believe it made some sort of sense, fit into some larger scheme.
The album Who's Next was a really big deal for me; I escaped so much into that record. It's hard to say exactly what made it feel so relevant to me. Maybe just the whole tone of it, the spiritual yearning, the hurt.
And the "teenage wasteland" refrain made really feel not alone. When Townshend sang, "Don't cry, don't raise your eye, it's only teenage wasteland," I felt like he was telling me to forget it--teenagehood would be, for me, a scarred battlefield that I could leave behind some day for better places. (And maybe many troubled teenagers, in all kinds of situations, heard it that way, and maybe that's part of why that phrase resonated for so very many kids.)
Anybody else take comfort in music or song lyrics during the Seed era in their lives?"
Marc, I don't think I got to thank you for your fearless chronicle of your experience at The Seed. But if I did Thanks again. I have always found solace in music but much more now than then. I occasionally quote something that I find meaningful from my library in here. Funny I loved rock all my teenage years and of course still do to some extent but I started branching out as i got a little older. After I went back to my dads after destroying my first marriage due to my alcoholism I found comfort in what would now be considered classic country. The songs were one after the other a serial compilation that spoke to the wreckage that I had created for myself. I would go park my car at the lake near my parents home and write sad poems, drink beer,listen to country music and cry. Later in better times I found the mood that jazz created after getting sober was useful in setting the tone for my new venture back into the dating world. But I steered toward artists from Michael Franks to Winton Marsalis to Rickie Lee Jones and though I typically get the most from lyrics I found the power of brass to move me emotionally as well. From there I ventured into the Nouveau Flamenco of Otmar Liebert which led me to search the roots of classical guitar and its heavier influences such as Andres Segovia. His renditions on guitar of Bach developed in me the interest to explore on a limited basis some classical music. Now I listen to people who by and large are are in the folk scene and obscure for the most part to the general public but who are highly respected by the more popular country musicians who often cover there songs. I find an amazing power and depth to the simple combination of an acoustic guitar and lyrics of life and love and stories of experience. So many may not have heard of people like John Prine, Doc watson, Townes Van Zandt, Lucy Kaplanski, David Wilcox, Ellis Paul, Greg Brown, Eva Cassidy, Lucinda Williams but their music forms the roots of so many others that are more popular but don't have any of the raw and passionate truth that resonates with these other artists. Many know Townes Van Zandt through the cover The Highwaymen did of the song "Pancho and Lefty". John Prines contributions are legendary in the music world but to understand the power of his music listen to his duet with Bonnie Rait singing "Angel from Montgomery" about an old couple sung from the womens's perspective. The lines in that song, "if dreams were lighting and thunder were desire this old house would of burnt down a long time ago", "Just give me one thing that I can hold onto, to believe in this living is just a hard way to go" " How the hell can a person go to work in the morning come home in the evening and have nothing to say", speak of such a deeply moving picture of despair. From Prine's most well known song "Sam Stone", about the life of a vietnam veteran after he returned home, the line "there's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes" is so simplistic yet poignant. Townes Van Zandt who's own path of abuse led to his death a few years ago had the ability to weave marvellous tapestries of words that are some of the most amazingly complex poetry I have ever heard anywhere. Yet there is a raw edge to his music that to me anyway is moving. So I tend to seek out the little known artists who have a story to tell.
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Marc, I totally loved that lyric and couldn't get it out of my head sitting in the group. I tried not to think of it, but it did seem to justify why I was there.
OK, here's some more thoughts on music.
Pre-Seed, I loved Todd Rundgren, who expressed almost every feeling I had somewhere in a song:
"Sometimes I don't know what to feel..."
"Is that you, look who's on the skids this time, bitchin' 'bout her place in line, when all you really want is attention: but your like every other girl uptown, who wants to ride her face around..." (made me think of every girl I was obsessed with, teenage angst)
"Weren't you there when the carousel burnt down, the fire and confusion, the smoke and the sound..." (feeling of loss)
I also loved these 2 songs by Dan Fogelerg, who turned into a schlockmeister, but did write one great one:
"I have these moments all steady and strong, with feelings all holy and humble; the next thing I know I'm all worried and weak, I feel myself starting to crumble..."
Also: "Changing horses in the middle of a stream, makes you wet and sometimes cold...looking farther than you'll ever hope to see, makes you old, oh, makes you old..."
I also loved Patti Smith's Redondo Beach, which was about suicide: "Down by the ocean it was so dismal,
Women all standing with a shock on their faces.
Sad description, oh I was looking for you."
Also Barnstorm: Turn to Stone and Mama Says. What great songs! I really was suffering by not listening to my songs at the Seed.
Stripe - did you like Zappa's Billy the Mountain? One of the funniest, craziest albums of all time.
Art did get me to listen to Frank Sinatra. I still think he's great.
Landy, do you know of John Gorka? He writes fantastic lyrics...my wife and I saw him at a folk festival in Hocking Hills, OH - just him and a guitar, in an old log cabin with about 20 people. One of the best music experiences of my life.
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Around two years after getting out of the seed, Styx came out with an album that had "fooling yourself" on it, and I totally identified it with me because I always believed I was "going places" in life, but after the seed I was just waffling and I had this anger that I was having trouble with.
lyrics.
You see the world through your cynical eyes
You're a troubled young man I can tell
You've got it all in the palm of your hand
But your hand's wet with sweat and your head needs a rest
And you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it
You're kidding yourself if you don't believe it
How can you be such an angry young man
When your future looks quite bright to me
How can there be such a sinister plan
That could hide such a lamb, such a caring young man
You're fooling yourself if you don't believe it
You're kidding yourself if you don't believe it
Get up, get back on your feet
You're the one they can't beat and you know it
Come on, let's see what you've got
Just take your best shot and don't blow it
You're fooling yourself if you don't believe it
You're killing yourself if you don't believe it
Get up, get back on your feet
You're the one they can't beat and you know it
Come on, let's see what you've got
Just take your best shot and don't blow it.
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My goodness, immediately after posting that, I remembered the other Styx song from "the Grand Illusion" album that kept me listening over and over to that tape (8 track?). These songs sum up my post seed experience. Maybe this helps understand the state I was left in post seed graduation.
Man in the wildnerness....
Another year has passed me by
Still I look a myself and cry
What kind of man have I become?
All of the years I've spent in search of myself
And I'm still in the dark
'Cause I can't seem to find the light alone
Sometimes I feel like a man in the wilderness
I'm a lonely soldier off to war
Sent away to die - never quite knowing why
Sometimes it makes no sense at all
Ten Thousand people look my way
But they can't see the way that I feel
Nobody even cares to try
I spend my life and sell my soul on the road
And I'm still in the dark
'Cause I can't seem to find the light alone
Sometimes I feel like a man in the wilderness
I'm a lonely soldier lost at sea
Drifting with the tide
Never quite knowing why
Sometimes it makes no sense at all
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Sure did and still do. I remember before my intake hearing on the radio the song "Salisbury Hill" by Peter Gabriel. I thought that those lyrics spoke to me (a precursor or premonition) of what I was supposed to learn or experience during this period, particularly relating to the development of my spirituality.
As a matter of fact one of my first post here on this site was the lyrics to a Dave Mathews song ?Proudest Monkey? as it related to me I thought it expressed very well my emotions as to the time and what I was feeling when I left the Seed.
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you should all be posting song lyrics. was looking at this one the other day by pearl jam
"Why Go"
she scratches a letter
into a wall made of stone
maybe someday
another child
won't feel as alone as she does
it's been two years
and counting
since they put her in this place
she's been diagnosed
by some stupid fuck
and mommy agrees
why go home?
why go home?
why go home...
she seems to be stronger
but what they want her to be is weak
she could just pretend
she could join the game
she could be another clone
why go home?
what you taught me
put me here
don't come visit
mommy dear
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On 2005-12-05 08:04:00, cleveland wrote:
Landy, do you know of John Gorka? He writes fantastic lyrics...my wife and I saw him at a folk festival in Hocking Hills, OH - just him and a guitar, in an old log cabin with about 20 people. One of the best music experiences of my life.
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Love John Gorka he is definitely on my list too. Used to listen to Rundgren alot as well. I was always impressed that I heard he had done everything himself on the"Something/Anything" albums and then mixed it. Pretty talented.
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On 2005-12-05 14:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you should all be posting song lyrics. was looking at this one the other day by pearl jam
Here Here! This one still makes me cry. Whenever I was in a funk, forgot how to smile or what love and light felt like, my best friend in the whole world would blas this and smile with a twinkle in his chocolate brown eyes and invite me to "slide into his room" and remember what fun is. And so I did, some decades ago. I'll let you know how that turns out. :wink:
Artist: Goo Goo Dolls Lyrics
Song: Slide Lyrics
Could you whisper in my ear
The things you wanna feel
I'll give you anything
To feel it comin'
Do you wake up on your own
And wonder where you are
You live with all your faults
Chorus:
I wanna wake up where you are
I won't say anything at all
So why don't you slide
Yeah we're gonna let it, slide
Don't you love the life you killed
The priest is on the phone
Your father hit the wall
Your ma disowned you
Don't suppose I'll ever know
What it means to be a man
Something I can't change
I'll live around it
Chorus
And I'll do anything you ever
Dreamed to be complete
Little pieces of the nothing that fall
May put your arms around me
What you feel is what you are
And what you are is beautiful
May do you wanna get married
Or run away
And I'll do anything you ever
Dreamed to be complete
Little pieces of the nothing that fall
May put your arms around me
What you feel is what you are
And what you are is beautiful
May do you wanna get married
Or run away
Chorus
The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
--Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President
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That song from the Goo Goo dolls was great. I saw once on some VH-1 special the lead singer explaining that song was written about some distant memory of a high school girl friend who (if I recall correctly) fell pregant and they had to deal with the issue of having an abortion. (just some mindless trivia)
Funny- this would have been considered a taboo discussion (old ties) at the Seed. [ This Message was edited by: jgar on 2005-12-09 14:00 ]
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Dark Side of the Moon....
the whole album did it & still does it for me
Boston, More than a feeling & the whole Third Stage album
Little River Band, America, the Eagles...
I listen to alot of different newer groups now because of my kids, most of it is pretty good stuff, Saliva, shawn colvin, staind, blink 182, coldplay, norah jones, creed, godsmack, yellowcard, hoobastank, killers, los lonely boys, lincoln park, modest mouse, davin mcgraw, switchfoot,
its all good, LYPO
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I'm listening to this right now
http://fornits.com/sounds/CVB.m3u (http://fornits.com/sounds/CVB.m3u)
I love this whole album. It's dark matter made delectable and delicious. Frod turned me onto it. Sometimes it's far more comforting to hear "Yeah, I see it too, now let's dance about it" than the more trite reassurance "It's ok."
Music fans everywhere might enjoy a nice run through his forum over here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=33&2995 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=33&2995)
Janis, Jimi, Gery, Timothy... Did you HAVE to get so close to the edge to get a really good view?
-- Anonymous
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Dark Side of the MOON?!
I was told I only liked that sort of music because it reminded me of being high. I stayed in guilt / conflict about listening to such music for most of my program. You must be on drugs...right? :grin:
Seriously, I still love floyd. The best concerts I've ever seen. "We don't need no thought-control.." I like a lot of those other artists too. I'm surprised. Most folks our age don't seem to like much new stuff. My wife still prefers 80's rock.
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Down in a hole- Alice in Chains , fuck yeah
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One of my best friends of all time started a band. He had been hospitalized as a kid for a serious car accident, and taught himself how to play drums and guitar by ear. A year of so later, he cut his first album, and a year or two after that, he was touring. Considered by some to be one of the seminal bands of the 80s, he's been compared to joy division. Kind of dark but very intelligent lyrics, with a unique sound. Here's the website:
http://www.mydadisdead.com/ (http://www.mydadisdead.com/)
Oh, and yeah, he named the band after his dad, who died the year he cut the album. It was a sort of liberation for him - his invalid dad was addicted to pain killers and Mark was the sibling who stayed home to take care of him. Anyway, as long as we are talking about music!
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I couldn't resist adding another (different) link to this band above, it has a couple of music downloads too:
http://songsillinoismp3.blogspot.com/20 ... vided.html (http://songsillinoismp3.blogspot.com/2005/08/my-dad-is-dead-new-songs-from-divided.html)
If anyone is interested, I would recommend songs like, "Heirloom," "Baby's Got a Problem," "Nothing Special," and anything off of The Taller You Are, The Shorter You Get album.
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I'm trying to tell you something about my life
Maybe give me insight between black and white
And the best thing you've ever done for me
Is to help me take my life less seriously
It's only life after all
Yeah
Well darkness has a hunger that's insatiable
And lightness has a call that's hard to hear
I wrap my fear around me like a blanket
I sailed my ship of safety till i sank it
I'm crawling on your shores
I went to the doctor, i went to the mountains
I looked to the children, i drank from the fountains
There's more than one answer to these questions
Pointing me in a crooked line
And the less i seek my source for some definitive
(the less i seek my source)
The closer i am to fine
The closer i am to fine
And i went to see the doctor of philosophy
With a poster of rasputin and a beard down to his knee
He never did marry or see a b-grade movie
He graded my performance, he said he could see through me
I spent four years prostrate to the higher mind
Got my paper and i was free
I went to the doctor, i went to the mountains
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I looked to the children, i drank from the fountains
There's more than one answer to these questions
Pointing me in a crooked line
The less i seek my source for some definitive
(the less i seek my source)
The closer i am to fine
The closer i am to fine
I stopped by the bar at 3 a.m.
To seek solace in a bottle or possibly a friend
And i woke up with a headache like my head against a board
Twice as cloudy as i'd been the night before
And i went in seeking clarity.
I went to the doctor, i went to the mountains
I looked to the children, i drank from the fountains
Yeah we go to the doctor, we go to the mountains
We look to the children, we drink from the fountains
Yeah we go to the bible, we go through the workout
We read up on revival and we stand up for the lookout
There's more than one answer to these questions
Pointing me in a crooked line
The less i seek my source for some definitive
(the less i seek my source)
The closer i am to fine
The closer i am to fine
The closer i am to fine
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Love the Indigo Girls!!
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Tears are falling, hearts are breaking
How we need to hear from God
You've been promised, we've been waiting
Welcome Holy Child
Welcome Holy Child
Hope that you don't mind our manger
How I wish we would have known
But long-awaited Holy Stranger
Make Yourself at home
Please make Yourself at home
Bring Your peace into our violence
Bid our hungry souls be filled
Word now breaking Heaven's silence
Welcome to our world
Welcome to our world
Fragile finger sent to heal us
Tender brow prepared for thorn
Tiny heart whose blood will save us
Unto us is born
Unto us is born
So wrap our injured flesh around You
Breathe our air and walk our sod
Rob our sin and make us holy
Perfect Son of God
Perfect Son of God
Welcome to our world
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I had a big solstice dinner too, Greg.
ANYWAY, I say, happy holidays to all, whomever they worship, whatever they celebrate, whatever gets ya thru the night.
"Limitless undying love that shines around me like a million sun and calls me on and on across the universe."
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On 2005-12-21 21:57:00, GregFL wrote:
" ::puke:: "
SO many people seeking a worldly solution to a spiritual problem. Think about it.
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On 2005-12-22 07:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-21 21:57:00, GregFL wrote:
" ::puke:: "
SO many people seeking a worldly solution to a spiritual problem. Think about it."
I have thought about "it". First, my pukie icon was because someone (you?) trolled the thread by preaching when we were discussing music that got us thru the seed. Pretty lame.
Second, define "spiritual" and "worldly" if you can and identify which "problem" you are refering to and then perhaps your sentence will become coherent. As it stands, it isn't.
On 2005-12-21 22:13:00, marcwordsmith wrote:
ANYWAY, I say, happy holidays to all, whomever they worship, whatever they celebrate, whatever gets ya thru the night.
me too Marc...and Thanks.
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I'll tell you what - sometimes I enjoy Christmas, sometimes not...
I have sometimes enjoyed a church sermon, more often, I am afraid, not.
I love my wife's rabbi, who married us...and I enjoy the Seder dinners I've attended.
I guess I am more spiritual than religious, and that is fine for me...
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I'm starting to love the season again. We're finally financially stable enough to plan for it and just enjoy gifting instead of going into a panic over it. (your cards, though, will be New Years cards again this year. We're still most adept procrastinators lol)
It's sort of funny. We do all the lights and the tree and the giftwrap and all. But it's not about the Christian tradition for us, least not for me. It's more about ... well, momentum (we always have done something like this and wouldn't want anyone in the tribe to feel unloved or forgotten by skipping it).
But it's more about an eclectic homage to all kinds of winter solstice traditions and celebrations. Being the history geek in the house, I like to go out and find something interesting and heretofore unknown to my li'll family for the holy daze. Here's an interesting site that I've posted around here before:
http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com ... rmacratic/ (http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/nontesters/pharmacratic/)
Hey, if the Holy Roman Catholic Church can borrow and embelish from every culture and tradition that came under their influence, so can we. So there.
I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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In theory, I find all of this pagan/wikkan/earthy spiritual stuff interesting...in practice, I find the adherents...strange.
I guess I am square after all.
Christopher Hitchens, who is kind of an ass, has a funny article on Slate today regarding the rediculous 'war on christmas' boo-ha:
http://www.slate.com/id/2132806/nav/tap1/ (http://www.slate.com/id/2132806/nav/tap1/)
The title alone is great: Bah, Humbug: Screw You and YOur Reindeer Too!
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I saw a thing about getting to heaven the other night. They interviewed various scholars and religous leaders about heaven and how to get there.
I was struck by the fact that the evangelical and the suicide bomber were the only ones who thought they had the "only way" and that everyone else was going to hell.
Just an observation.
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On 2005-12-22 11:55:00, cleveland wrote:
"In theory, I find all of this pagan/wikkan/earthy spiritual stuff interesting...in practice, I find the adherents...strange.
Adherents? Yeah. Students? I generally like students of all the old practice and lore. I'm not like really hooked on the subject, but I'll look over whatever falls under my nose. Ever wonder why ever culture in the Northern hemisphere has some kind of sacred rite around the Winter solstace? Ours is off now by about 3 days now. But the birth of the Christ tradition sounds a whole lot more like the Nordic solstice traditions surrounding the re-birth of the Sun after 3 days in the tomb than the Roman the census. And wasn't that usually done in the Springtime? Right around April Fools' Day, the Roman New Year. It became foolish for anyone to celebrate it once the pope won those wars and Constantine started his "missions".
All these people may well have been dead wrong about the nature of life, the universe and everything. But something prompted them all, relatively independently, to mark these days especially and to celebrate w/ gifts, food and unusual kindness and friendliness.
Why?
One reason, I think, is that this time of year is very hard on some for a variety of reasons. I have this very nice little old lady on my kid's paper route. Normally, she's very proper. Particular about how her paper is delivered and firm about it. But pleasant and proper and usually cheerfull. Last night, she called me up to tell me how good and sweet and mature my kid is and how sorry she couldn't afford to tip her better.
That lead to reasons why. It's a hard story, and very common to ppl around their age. She just really wanted/needed to talk to somebody.
And that's the point of the kinds of celebrations we all have this time of year in the northern hemisphere, isn't it? Check on family, friends and neighbors. Make sure they're not all despondent and isolated. It's cold out, make sure they have heat. There's no better excuse in the world than the Winter Solstice to have a party (or crash one!) and reenforce precious ties.
BTW, according to this site: http://pharmacraticinquisition.com/ (http://pharmacraticinquisition.com/)
The shamen of old in the extreme north used to deliver Fly Agarics on Christmas/Solstice. Evidently, this was one of those traditions that the heathens didn't give up easily. So, as any good religion or conquoring culture will do, they spun their own myths around it and made the laws against it blue.
I can tell you from experience that, given the right mindset and good physical health to start with, I've found no better cure for the Winter dulldrums than a nice chicken noodle soup w/ some mushrooms. This is not part of my yearly celebration. This year, I didn't have the time or need to even check for them at the right time of year. Who knows? Maybe I never will again :wink: But I can easily understand why wise old shamen might hand these things out as gifts at this time of year to the people in their care.
Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.
--Dan Barker, author and former evangelist
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On 2005-12-12 12:00:00, cleveland wrote:
"I couldn't resist adding another (different) link to this band above, it has a couple of music downloads too:
http://songsillinoismp3.blogspot.com/20 ... vided.html (http://songsillinoismp3.blogspot.com/2005/08/my-dad-is-dead-new-songs-from-divided.html)
If anyone is interested, I would recommend songs like, "Heirloom," "Baby's Got a Problem," "Nothing Special," and anything off of The Taller You Are, The Shorter You Get album."
Ok, I finally found the time. I must admit he doesn't captivate me so I still don't really know what he's singing about. What's your point? What's the draw? Is it some poetry in the lyrics? I've never been dissapointed or regretted the effort to track down anything on your recomendation. Now I think I must be missing something.
Here, try this by way of apology.
http://fornits.com/sounds/CVB.m3u (http://fornits.com/sounds/CVB.m3u)
This is an album called New Roman Times by Camper Van Beethoven. Here's their site:
http://www.campervanbeethoven.com/ (http://www.campervanbeethoven.com/)
A good friend turned me onto this at a time when he couldn't possibly have known, unless he knows my writing style that well, how badly I needed it. Now it's my respite. Hope ya'll find something good and valuable in it too.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry
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I've had friends who loved Camper Van Beethoven, but outside of their great band name, I've never enjoyed them.
You asked why I posted about my favorite band, and here's a review to clarify:
http://www.splendidezine.com/review.htm ... 2170348487 (http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=1133182170348487)
I will admit, to each his own. But I think this band is worth the effort to get into.
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And another:
http://www.hybridmagazine.com/reviews/1 ... dead.shtml (http://www.hybridmagazine.com/reviews/1205/mydadisdead.shtml)
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...and samples from the new album:
http://www.mydadisdead.com/streamer/ind ... ed%20House (http://www.mydadisdead.com/streamer/index.php?p=A%20Divided%20House)
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I saw him, My Dad Is Dead that is. A sort of one man band deal, right? This was a long time(15 yrs?)ago at a small club in burlington vt.
I remember him explaining his band name by saying so many bands at the time were using death in their names irreverently -- Dead Kennedy's, Death On A Stick-- during the time his father was truly dying.[ This Message was edited by: NOT12NOW on 2006-05-06 19:24 ]
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Hey, that's great. What a small world we live in! Marks' a great guy, very soft spoken and bright, sort of the shadow side of his kiind of punkish music, which has gotten more mellow over time, too.
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You guys into Punk? Ever here of an ass named Ben "the Weasel" Foster from the Northeast?
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Not me!
Actually I'm not much int o punk, but I think my brother might have run away from the Seed once to see a Sex Pistols concert, or something like that!
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Well, if your going to bolt. Why not the Sex Pistols.