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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 12, 2003, 04:11:00 PM
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Does someone have a link to the website where the public can read the court record and get the latest updates?
(I have already read the Pure Rebuttal. I am looking for a website that has the ENTIRE court record online.)
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On 2003-08-12 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does someone have a link to the website where the public can read the court record and get the latest updates?
(I have already read the Pure Rebuttal. I am looking for a website that has the ENTIRE court record online.)"
Try the PACER Service System. You'll need to register first (go the Fed Ex route if you're in a hurry) before you can log on and read the court record online. Once you are registered, the case can be located in the UTAH District Court records by party name (PURE). The latest docket entry is August 1, 2003.
http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/ (http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/)
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You may want to check with the PURE website. If it was anything different or good, it would be on there site? This is yet another smoke screen as no one has posted the info since the last request was made several weeks ago.
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http://bayes.joshpurinton.com/~joshp/tr ... imony.html (http://bayes.joshpurinton.com/~joshp/tranquility-bay-testimony.html)
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Read it, been there! I would rather see if any of these youngsters parents ever filed a lawsuit - did they sue WWASPS? What was the outcome?
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When parents sue wwasp for their lies and abuse,consistently wwasp will settle out of court.THEN the parents must sign a letter confirming the parents will not talk and share their truth.
WWASP is sue happy too. Defamation, defamation defamation.The truth hurts their deceptive manipulations.
When you have hundreds ,thousands of kids, parents all saying the same thing at different times, who have never met, documentation substantiating the abuse. I would say the truth is being told. Not defamation.
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When parents sue wwasp for their lies and abuse,consistently wwasp will settle out of court.THEN the parents must sign a letter confirming the parents will not talk and share their truth.
WWASP is sue happy too. Defamation, defamation defamation.The truth hurts their deceptive manipulations.
Hey stupid, the parents were not made to settle out of court. You say it like it is up to WWASP whether or not an out of court settlement takes place. Both parties have to agree to settle out of court. The parents could have stood their grounds if they had grounds to stand on. Maybe all they really had as evidence was their acusations.
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And isn't it true that WWASP would not have settled if they were innocent of the charges?
Would they not have wanted to prove that?
There are many possible scenerios.
Perhaps the parents thought their situation was an isolated case and just wanted to recoup some of their financial losses.
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WWASP is sue happy too
Don't think so! It seems that it is not WWASP that is bringing the cases to court. So how can they be the ones that are sue happy? They may be guilty of settling out of court, but since when is that a crime?
Go ahead, call me a WWASPie just because I don't agree with what was said.
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So wwasps settles out of court? Is that an assumption or fact? Seems like an awful lot of stories, but no proof.
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So wwasps settles out of court? Is that an assumption or fact? Seems like an awful lot of stories, but no proof.
On my part that is totally an assumption. I have never sued WWASP so I don't know if they settle out of court.
Also, on my part, I am not here to bring anybody down. I am here to tell what I know and what I experienced. My goal in life is not to destroy others. If others are destroyed it is by their own doings, not mine.
I hope that by sharing my experience others will not have to go through what I have gone through.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-08-21 06:53 ]
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When reading the full court record, it is faster to just skip the motions and go straight to the memorandums in support of the motion. It costs 7 cents per page to read (or print/download) the court records which is billed to your account and can be paid by credit/debit card.
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Are you calling me stupid sherpa?
You may not call me stupid.
I know for a fact most people can not afford to fight wwasp. Why do you think they have gotten away with this abuse, deceptive business practice ,fraud for so long .They have the money.(my money)
Some parents will strive to counter the abuse. It is very expseive.
Pure is into the big, big bucks at this point in the counter suit against wwasp.
WWASP would LIKE to settle,they have met their match with Pure.
The Pure wwasp law suit will,has been revealing the truth about wwasp.
Freedom of speech,print and more.
Stupid is not applicable here. I have my facts straight. Bottom line wwasp ia a fraud, they abuse kids. Hence a CLASS ACTION to fight the Evil EMPIRE. The Empire who we will win against.
You sound like a wwaspie, sherpa, cult follwer. Always angry when your unsolicitaed "feedback" is not appreciated,not accepted. Ho Hum so boring.
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Carey,
How in the world did you ever get so far into the wwasp corner?
I'm disppointed in you. Again you foregt whose side you should be on.
Too bad you never made it to the Cult Seminars.You would have made an excellent sherpa.
WWASP settles out of court.
Parents sign the nondisclosure. Its the easy way out of the mess. Money is paid.
Silence is paid for.
Its not that difficult to understand.
You Carey know how difficult it is to get people who have never experienced this crap to understand.
Who would ever belive this could happen in America.
How are your sons doing? Dont loose sight of what they experienced by WWASP .
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What is sherpa?
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Anonymous: Trying to discourage the public from reading the court record for WWASPS v. PURE to decide for themselves the merits of this case and the allegations made by both parties makes no sense ... unless you are afraid they may learn something that has a negative impact upon your personal agenda. Chill out Anonymous and let the chips fall where they may.
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HELLO? PURE is not suing WWASPS. They are defending themselves against a lawsuit brought by WWASPS. Read the FULL COURT RECORD. It's all there in black and white.
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How can you claim that I am in the WWASP corner? That is so far from the truth. Do you say that just because I speak out against PURE? Do you say that just because I know that PURE will damage the creditabilty of anyone who is associted with them. I don't think I have to be on the side of either WWASP or PURE. I think I can be an independent non follower of either.
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The mainstream media has access to the PACER Service. So does ISAC (through their volunteer attorneys). Nod, Nod, Wink, Wink.
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On 2003-08-21 19:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Are you calling me stupid sherpa?
You may not call me stupid.
I know for a fact most people can not afford to fight wwasp. Why do you think they have gotten away with this abuse, deceptive business practice ,fraud for so long .They have the money.(my money)
Some parents will strive to counter the abuse. It is very expseive.
Pure is into the big, big bucks at this point in the counter suit against wwasp.
WWASP would LIKE to settle,they have met their match with Pure.
The Pure wwasp law suit will,has been revealing the truth about wwasp.
Freedom of speech,print and more.
Stupid is not applicable here. I have my facts straight. Bottom line wwasp ia a fraud, they abuse kids. Hence a CLASS ACTION to fight the Evil EMPIRE. The Empire who we will win against.
You sound like a wwaspie, sherpa, cult follwer. Always angry when your unsolicitaed "feedback" is not appreciated,not accepted. Ho Hum so boring."
What do you mean PURE is into the BIG BIG BUCKS in their counter-suit against WWASPS. What counter suit? If there is one, why isn't it publicized on PURE's website? Or on ISAC's either.
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FYI: The real bottom line ---
The WWASPS v. PURE lawsuit has nothing to do with the yet-to-be-filed class action lawsuit.
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Who the HELL CARES about the rest of the garbage on PACER?? http://www.purerebuttal.com (http://www.purerebuttal.com) IS ALL I NEED TO READ to see what PURE is doing. PURE started the class action interest - cuz they got busted! They are not in the business of helping parents unless those parents (not kids)will be a voice.
If some "duped" parents pulled their kid out of a wwasp school because they were looking for a quick fix and didn't get it, or their little munchkin wrote how abused they were, that's all the ammo PURE needed to suck them into their little web of deceit. Carey has seen what can happen when those that decide they're only in it to bring down wwasp decide to speak out. No Carey, I hope I never have to go through what you did with your ex-husband.
Hey, what happens when these kids come home after they "dupe" their parents? Do they remain in control of the parents? Do they create so much trauma/drama that the parents blame wwasp for the after-burn?
PURE is very good at their brain-washing.
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Well, I read the PURE REBUTTAL and the full court record and all I can say is God Bless America for our judicial system which is not conducted in secrecy, behind closed doors.
Anybody (on either side of the fence) who does not think it is worth their while to log on to the PACER SYSTEM should think twice about what it is they are fighting for.
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There you go again Sherpa,
Trauma/ Drama. You sound like Bill, Joyce, Barb.
Please ,You never mentioned that the kids ARE being mistreated .Is that OK with you?
Stick to the point.
Kids are mistreated in the wwasp facilities. If any child is mistreated .That is not ok.
Get it. Not OK.
You must be worried your referral fees will diminish.
Why do YOU lump all of the kids into the same mold? Did it ever occur to you that maybe the children are not all potential "delinquents."
That maybe they mad a mistake and their parents over reacted?
The typical WWASP response is the kids lie,manipulate etc.
FYI : It is WWASP- teen help that lies,MANIPULATE.
You know that to be a fact, why are you unwilling to accept it?
Search within your stone heart.
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Law suits are expensive.
To continue to fight the evil empire it cost money.
Otherwise settlements are made.
Pure's attorneys are going for the exposure of the truth.
HEE Hee HA HA
Thank You Pure
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Anon, get a personality, will ya? These anti-sherpa (what the h***??) post-its are so off base it's hard to believe you aren't a stupid head.
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Gee, I didn't get the impression that Pure was exposing anything but their own self-serving agenda which is uh, well, hee-hee-ha-ha-, anything but funny.
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No, it's NOT okay with me if kids are being abused in WWASP schools. They only abuse that seems to be going on is in the minds of the PUREists to brainwash parents into believing what their kids are saying to come home.
Talk about DESPERATE MEASURES!! Sue Scheff is desperate to keep from going to prison for her smear campaign fired by her contact with the press.
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 17:31 ]
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On 2003-08-22 10:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No, it's NOT okay with me if kids are being abused in WWASP schools. They only abuse that seems to be going on is in the minds of the PUREists to brainwash parents into believing what their kids are saying to come home.
Talk about DESPERATE MEASURES!! Sue Scheff is desperate to keep from going to prison for her smear campaign fired by her contact with the press.
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Please quit bogartin' and pass along some of whatever it is you're smoking.
No matter how many times you repeat the mantra, it will never become true. These very same complaints have been coming from disperate and unaffiliated people for YEARS before Sue Scheff ever fucked up and placed her daughter in a WWASP gulag. They have resulted in numerous journalistic works, programs being shut down by authorities from here to the Chezk Republic and beyond.
MOST, by far and away the vast majority, of the folks who support these allegations are people who have absolutely nothing to gain by it. The statute of limitations has run out, their parents aren't interested in funding a lawsuit, they are the parents and they recognize that they'll never see a dime out of WWASP even if they did sue. Plain and simple, you're trippin' your brains out if you think all of the FACTS coming out about WWASP and other Synanon based programs owe back to this flake named Sue Scheff.
Second, Sue Scheff is not in any danger of doing jail time, you ignorant gadfly. WWASP has filed a civil suit; for which incarceration is not among the penalties. We did away with debtors' prison along with the pillory and tar and feathers.
God help anyone stupid enough to buy into your bullshit. You, you're probably beyond all help.
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.
George Washington
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Karen - are talking about the postings? Get real! Those so-called abuse postings are mainly from PUREists, go figure. They have more to lose, so the postings continue.
You say it's hard for the kids! Get real again! Rules are hard, lying is not.
What I find fascinating is that Dundee Ranch closed due to chaos and rioting by students instigated mainly by PUREists. No, i wouldn't want my child in a strict behavior modfication program (Jamaica included) because i know he/she would be "invited" to solitary confinement on a regular basis. I would be open enough to the other wwasps schools, however, including Casa by the Sea. I do not agree that it is abusive, but if restraint is required to keep them and others safe, it must be. I still feel that the inner healing process takes some time and some kids get it before others. I believe it would be better than sitting in a jail cell. I imagine the abuse including sexual abuse by their peers and possibility of restraint is much greater in that situation.
I don't see anyone challenging the legal system.
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You have a great imagination. I spent some time in the juvenile justice system in Macon and Clay Counties, Georgia. I'm told those were some of the toughest juvenile institutions in the nation at the time from a staff discipline standpoint. Compared to one week in Straight, Inc., it was an absolute CAKE WALK! Why? Because, if one followed the rules, which were more-or-less reasonable rules, one actually did not get harassed, punished or abused in any way. The hardest part about it was the sound and feel of the steel doors and institutional green drab setting. But you get used to that in a matter of days.
While I was there, I never even SAW or HEARD of anyone being physically restrained. Of course, everyone knew that it must happen from time to time when necessary. But, in the juvenile detention, they really, really only used restraint to keep inmates from hurting themselves or others. In the Program, otoh, where they refered to us as clients and called it therapy, they used physical restraint to coerce desired THOUGHT and SPEECH and acceptance of the madness that was going on as perfectly normal and sane.
Except for about two days out of more than 700 in Straight, Inc. (like WWASP, a juvenile Synanon), I was physically restrained or officially punished in any way. It was the contant psychological and emotional abuse that made it unbearable. It was the self rightious, sneering staff constantly gloating over the FACT that they could and would do what the FUCK they wanted to you and no one would believe you if you screamed for help. Worse? For a time, both of my parents bought into it, hook, line and sinker. Worse than that? Well over 20 years later, my one living parent STILL DOES!
Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
--Mohandas K. Gandhi
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On 2003-08-22 12:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Karen - are talking about the postings? Get real! Those so-called abuse postings are mainly from PUREists, go figure. They have more to lose, so the postings continue. "
I can't, or more properly, I will not give away the identity of any poster to these forums because, as much as some people abuse it, anonymous posting has to be available to people who have something important to say but who are not comfortable registering on my server.
I can tell you, though, that you are dead wrong on this one. Most of the people posting about abuse at WWASP are not pro PURE. Most of them actually seem to have a hard time understanding the difference, except in terms of size and political muscle, between WWASP and PURE. A lot of folks have even speculated that PURE is nothing more than a red herring dreamt up by WWASP to cast all WWASP critics as nut cases.
Sorry, asshole. It's not going to wash. :wink:
An Animated Cartoon Theology:
1. People are animals.
2. The body is mortal and subject to incredible pain.
3. Life is antagonistic to the living.
4. The flesh can be sawed, crushed, frozen, stretched, burned, bombed, and plucked for music.
5. The dumb are abused by the smart and the smart destroyed by their own cunning.
6. The small are tortured by the large and the large destroyed by their own momentum.
7. We are able to walk on air, but only as long as our illusion supports us.
-- E. L. Doctorow "The Book of Daniel"
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I am kind of new here to this message board. I found it while looking for information about wwasp schools, and any comments that students and former students/family may have had. I recently removed my child from a wwasp school (3 days ago) due to activities that looked like abuse to me. There were marks on my child's neck and back from being restrained for simply asking questions. My child has spent up to 5 hours at a time, face down, arms out and legs crossed. At no time was my child allowed to stretch, or go to the restroom.
Prior to visiting the school 2 weeks ago for the first time, I was unaware of any type of abuse. I was a trusting parent who thought that the staff was loving and caring and wanting my child to be drug free. I was mortified by the tactics used by the school administrator in group (I was there) to try and make my child comply with the rules. This man had never even read the file and history on my child. I could go on about other incidents that occured, but it seems that others here are already aware of these misconducts.
I am not too familiar with the PURE that you all talk about about,or how it fits in the picture. I have seen their website, and read a few articles.
I appreciate this forum as a place to express my feelings and vent about the activities surrounding the school my child was at. I remain anonomous to protect my child and myself, as the departure is so recent. I am sure there are BBSer's here who would recognize me. Of course, BBS has kicked me off due to "early withdrawl". I would love to hear any feedback. By the way, the school was not Casa or Tranquility Bay.
Thanks :grin:
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Welcome.
You may want to start another thread to introduce yourself. Click "Post New Topic". You'll find a good amount of information here and others who have been there. There is a thread regarding a class action lawsuit against WWASP, if you are interested in talking to the law firm.
I'm sure others would like to hear more about your experience as you feel comfortable doing so.
Glad to hear your child is home and safe, and that you didn't ignore your hunches.
Deborah
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First, if you just withdrew 3 days ago, you are still on the BBS. You remain there if you choose to. You're STORY sounds like another lame attempt by PURE to cloud the issues of their tactics. I personally don't believe a word you say.
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Actucally, I posted a message as soon I got home to let my group know that my child was removed. When I checked a few hours later to see if anyone had responded, I had been blocked. You can believe it or not! I personally know nothing about pure or purest...I only found out about some lawsuit by reading here.
I won't defend myself to anyone. I do what I think is right. Abuse to my child is wrong. Why would you not believe what I said? I have no reason to lie...
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Thank you, Deborah. I appreciate your kind words.I feel very relieved that my child his home and safe. I will say in the months spent at the school, my child is and has been drug free for 5 months. Something good did come out of the time spent there. For this I am grateful. I also feel that my child learned the consequences of drug use, and has no desire to repeat history. It is always important to follow your instincts.
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Yeah, thanks Deborah. I don't know what any of us would do without you to tell us how, when and where to get off.
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Why are people here so nasty? It takes so much more effort to be unkind, than to be nice... :???:
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anon who just brought their child home, youll probably become a regular on here. fell free to e-mail me shannon [email protected]
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Anon.
You are bad news.
The BBs immediately deletes any parent who has chosen to "pull their child", not graduate the program." I was deleted for suggesting the paents are being manipulated.
You are obviously pro wwasp.
The truth is ,WWASP does not want anyone on the BBS who has a experience other than the one they Choose to provide.
To deny this woman her truth is ignorant on your part.
Not acceptable.
Go back to your wwwasp hole deep in the ground with the other snakes.
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So what ever happened with this?
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Yeah I agree. I went to Casa by the Sea, the WWASP facility in Mexico, and spent 16.5 months seeing exactly what all these people are referring to. As a result of their parental manipulation/lies I was dropped off with no money or ID in San Diego..homeless until I could scrounge the money for a bus ticket back to Houston, TX where I am from...
I still have not seen a dime, although my college fund was completely depleted by the $2800 per month my parents were charged....
if anyone has any info on how to pursue a suit against that monstrosity of an organization, feel free to drop me a line at [email protected]
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Time is of the essence. I never did anything, and I should have. You are on a time clock, and I am not sure how long Texas has your timer set for?
When I first got out, I was just so happy to be free! Then a couple years later I started writing everything down, so I would remember the specifics. I stored it somewhere, I haven't seen it in 10+ years.
These days, since it's been 16 years.....I can remember certain things, but not as detailed as they used to be. I am sure if I did some kind of hypnosis, I could recall a lot more. But, why? If anyone ever needed me to testify I would. But, there are thousands of kids that are fresher then me.
If you feel like you have a case, go find yourself a good lawyer. But, it will take you a long time to fight it out with them. That's why so many kids just say, screw it! WWASPS knows this. That is part of the reason they have been able to get away with what they have.