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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 24, 2007, 10:20:13 AM
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Apparently HLA's admin building has now burned to the ground. Details anyone????
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The new one or the old one?
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How convenient, bet all the financial records were there. :roll:
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Last night Hidden Lake Academy caught fire. listen to the feed archives at the link provided below
http://www.scanlumpkin.com/modules.php?name=FeedArchive (http://www.scanlumpkin.com/modules.php?name=FeedArchive)
then click the date of 5/24/2007
then click on the time stamp for 5/24/07 from 2:11am to 2:26am
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engine 1,
engine 4,
tanker 2,
tanker 5,
tanker 6,
c-1,
c-2,
med-3,
LCSO
all responding, wood structure fully involved. 121 has command.
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102 assumes command, and requests mutual aid from Ranger camp at 2:27am
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command requests Georgia Power and Georgia Forestry to the scene 2:39 a.m.
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Was this because of the wildfire in Gerogia, or does anyone suspect possible frau... :lol:
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who would ever think such a thing?
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..the day before graduation..how convenient...thank God it was not the dorms. wierd timing.
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WAS IT TORCHED?
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It was not the admin. It was the academic building. It was completely destroyed. The extension to the academic building was saved because of a firewall that was built between the two buildings. There is an article in the Dahlonega Nugget about it today.
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http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/artic ... 20fire.txt (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/articles/2007/05/24/breaking_news/01%20hla%20fire.txt)
Breaking News:
Blaze destroys Hidden Lake academic building
By Matt Aiken
Blaze destroys Hidden Lake academic building
An early morning fire completely gutted Hidden Lake Academy's academic building last night.
Though the two-story building was a total loss, no one was injured in the blaze.
The initial call went out to Lumpkin 911 from the Camp Wahsega Road boarding school shortly after 2:20 a.m. Thursday.
By the time Lumpkin County firefighters arrived at the scene, 90 percent of the academic building was engulfed in flames, said Lumpkin County Fire Chief Ed Eggert.
Firefighters were, however, able to save a new library addition attached to the building.
"We saved that with maybe a little water damage," said Eggert.
The multi-million dollar addition was completed last September and also houses administration offices and conference rooms.
Ultimately a brick firewall helped to prevent flames from spreading into the multi-story building, said Eggert.
Firefighters from Dawson County and the nearby Camp Frank D. Merrill Ranger camp assisted in the effort to keep the fire from spreading to nearby buildings and dorm rooms.
The cause of the blaze has yet to be determined, said Eggert.
Representatives from the Georgia Insurance and Safety Fire Commission will investigate the scene later today (Thursday, May 24).
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Hopefully while they're out there, the Reps from the Georgia Insurance and Safety Fire Commission will take a look at the doorms and see all the safety violations in the doorms. Locked windows and too few exits are a bad combination in the event of a fire....
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Then, if indeed ,it wasn't intentionally set, there is a message from
the "Higher Up".
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Did the Science Lab burn down, too?
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I would just like to say that it would be nice if someone could tell these news stations about HLA's legal trouble and abuse allegations.... I'm not suggesting anything, just a thought... that I'm sharing... For no particular nefarious reason
Oh! Add their insurance co to that thought
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Please someone tell me that the new Chapel wasnt damaged.
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THE ROOF!
THE ROOF!
THE ROOF IS ON FIRE!
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker BURN!!!
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those wizards at HLA can really put a plan together. I bet no one will suspect a thing!
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(http://http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8436/hlaacafiregv8.png)
The academic building is the one that burned down (the circled one)
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What a tragedy! So much for the science lab. That building also used to contain the servers for the HLA staff/student computer network. All those files...what a loss.
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i think this is an open-and-shut case of insurance fraud and arson. it's also quite convenient for them as all those files are gone...
maybe that black mold infestation in the building was getting so out of hand, that they couldnt call a clean-up crew before cuz of A. finacial reasons B. once the crew saw all the mold they'd raise hell....as kids spend all day in that building. the only way to get rid of it would be to torch it.
maybe it was a last-ditch effort to raise some money to keep operating - via insurance.
maybe it's just an exuse for HLA to shut it's doors temorarily, so it doesnt look like they were actually doing anything wrong, that the lawsuit has no effect, etc. only to re-open with repeat customers.
only time will tell
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Does anyone know if there was graduation today?
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Georgia Insurance and Safety Fire Commission should conduct a very thorough "Fall Out".
Did the students experience a mass fall out on graduation day?
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All of the student financial account information was destroyed.
Even the "back-up" discs were destroyed!?!
This is very suspicious to me, since I am owed a large refund.
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All of the student financial account information was destroyed.
Even the "back-up" discs were destroyed!?!
This is very suspicious to me, since I am owed a large refund.
Bummer. Well, you have your bank/loan records, right? And their financial records (deposits/payments) are safe in their bank. Perhaps your account can be restructured that way.
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Well, all of the servers and telecommunications equipment were housed in the academic building....
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Surely copies of important records and documents were kept somewhere off campus, like with the CPA.
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BTW, someone inquired about a 10-70 (fire) at HLA in Oct 06. Anyone know about that?
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:52 am Post subject: Hidden Lake Academy
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Any one have any details concerning a 10-70 at Hidden Lake Academy?
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Dahlonega fire destroys $1.5 M private school building
by Dean Dyer/WRWH
DAHLONEGA - A fire at a private school north of Dahlonega has destroyed a $1.5 million dollar classroom facility.
Lumpkin County Fire Chief Ed Eggert said the fire was reported around 2:00 a.m. Thursday at Hidden Lake Academy.
Firefighters from five Lumpkin County Stations along with assistance from Dawson County and the Army Ranger Camp north of Dahlonega battled the blaze.
Eggert said the main classroom building was destroyed, but they were able to save other buildings that were attached to the classrooms or nearby.
According to the fire chief the cause of the blaze is unknown and the state fire marshal’s office has been called in to investigate.
Mike Smith Director of Operation for the school said they have space to relocate the classrooms. Smith said students were scheduled to be off next week and they will use that time to set up the classroom areas. Classes at the school are held year round.
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One thing we do know is that the old buildings are fire traps. Drills are not conducted on a monthly basis, if at all. Hopefully ,this will all change now, as so many other things have. I am sure we are all thankful that the children remained safe, but with the dorms having locked windows, the children are placed in harms way. It would have taken just one spark, wind, and the girls' dorm would have been toast. Lives ruined far beyond what they have been already.
Contact the SAFETY COMMISSION if you have something to say in this regard. All these years no one at the Safety Commission (the burocracy) seemed to notice that monthly drills were not conducted,
unless they were told like the ORS,SACS, and a myriad of others,
that all was well at the school. One would think because of the location of the school, stringent safety measures would have been
instituted by the Commission and checked to be sure they were
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Surely copies of important records and documents were kept somewhere off campus, like with the CPA.
When the state went in, hopefully they got to at least some of the records.
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Dahlonega fire destroys $1.5 M private school building
by Dean Dyer/WRWH
DAHLONEGA - A fire at a private school north of Dahlonega has destroyed a $1.5 million dollar classroom facility.
Lumpkin County Fire Chief Ed Eggert said the fire was reported around 2:00 a.m. Thursday at Hidden Lake Academy.
Firefighters from five Lumpkin County Stations along with assistance from Dawson County and the Army Ranger Camp north of Dahlonega battled the blaze.
Eggert said the main classroom building was destroyed, but they were able to save other buildings that were attached to the classrooms or nearby.
According to the fire chief the cause of the blaze is unknown and the state fire marshal’s office has been called in to investigate.
Mike Smith Director of Operation for the school said they have space to relocate the classrooms. Smith said students were scheduled to be off next week and they will use that time to set up the classroom areas. Classes at the school are held year round.
Mike, I thought your BOSS stated to the court that he could no longer operate as of April 1st. Setting up classrooms...? Which is it?
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1.5 million in insurance money is not enough to keep them afloat..
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One thing we do know is that the old buildings are fire traps. Drills are not conducted on a monthly basis, if at all. Hopefully ,this will all change now, as so many other things have. I am sure we are all thankful that the children remained safe, but with the dorms having locked windows, the children are placed in harms way. It would have taken just one spark, wind, and the girls' dorm would have been toast. Lives ruined far beyond what they have been already.
Contact the SAFETY COMMISSION if you have something to say in this regard. All these years no one at the Safety Commission (the burocracy) seemed to notice that monthly drills were not conducted, unless they were told like the ORS,SACS, and a myriad of others, that all was well at the school. One would think because of the location of the school, stringent safety measures would have been instituted by the Commission and checked to be sure they were strictly adhered to. THEY ARE AT FAULT, TOO.
Many have expressed concern about the dorm windows being bolted. I couldn't believe it when it was mentioned on our tour, as if it was a selling point.
Curious also, is how they managed to pass local fire inspections with stationary windows. Institutions that house kids 24/7 have to provide 2 easy access exits from every room.
If/when HLA is under ORSs jurisdiction, they will require fire drills, but no one from the state will be there to enforce it. Complaints can be filed with ORS if they aren't happening and if proven, would be cited as a violation on their public record.
No one knows about the possible fire last October?
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Where can they possibly hold classes? According to the news reports it sounds as though all the textbooks and computers were destroyed so what can they use for instruction?
I wonder if parents that have taken their kids home over break will be called sometime next week to tell them they can't return because of the fire?
The timing of this fire is very suspicious.
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If they lost all their computers does that mean they wont be able to send any more staff members on here to spread propoganda?
I doubt it, its way too high on their list of priorities.
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Next up: Locking the doors with the kids inside, and arsoning the building so they can't talk.
C'mon Len, you know you've considered it.
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Holy crap! Look at these photos!!!!!
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Beautiful.
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they are using dorm b for classes. girls dorm.
some staff point to len. prominant townspeople say he is truly upset.
all kids were sleeping- not them.
1.5 million is enough to keep going. bad post.
hla did have the drills. it is often posted that they did not and in recent time they did-- simply false information posted. i'm in the fire drills.
convenient- did not need old classroom building given current capacity.
it was a brick building, how did it burn completely to the ground.
sorry hawley lost so much stuff. he's a good guy.
all records and servers in that building.
2 a.m. red flag, red flag, red flag.
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1.5 million is enough to keep going. bad post.
If you are going to quote, this is what was posted. *Note:
"is not enough to keep it going".
Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject:
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1.5 million in insurance money is not enough to keep them afloat
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"recently"...we are not talking "recently" mate. This school goes back years.
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Convenient? I think the timing was quite extraordinary... it does not look good, to say the least. The problem here is, when you live a decent, honest life, one would not question and be there to help pick up the pieces. But, look how many people think what everyone is not saying, long time colleagues to boot. This is just too theatrical.
There has to be a twist , no one could be that arrogant, other than
'The Donald' , that is.
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All of the student financial account information was destroyed.
Even the "back-up" discs were destroyed!?!
This is very suspicious to me, since I am owed a large refund.
There could very easily be 1-2 copies of full finanicals out there to be gotten,
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who would ever think such a thing?
no the fire was not from a result of the south Georgia fires. As far as I know the cause of the blaze is still under investigation...
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There is a back-up server off campus, but they're not sure if it replicated before the fire. That server has all of the students' grades and other important records so they can't say everything was destroyed.
Were there working smoke detectors at the time of the fire? If so, how could the night security not have heard those going off? Do any of those building have sprinkler systems? Does Georgia require sprinkler systems?
Why/how was the building 90% engulfed by the time the fire department arrived?
Why did the someone call in Christy Lynn Jones' tag number? Listen to this feed from 2:11 - 2:26 a.m. - at about 2:25 a.m. someone calls in her tag number for verification. Doesn't she live in Dawsonsville? Was her car damaged in the fire?
http://www.scanlumpkin.com/modules.php? ... &year=2007 (http://www.scanlumpkin.com/modules.php?name=FeedArchive&classic=1&archive=lumpkin&month=05&day=24&year=2007)
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I don't think those feeds only include recordings from the HLA fire. I listened to 4 or 5 feeds after the initial call and heard other things not related to the fire. I am not sure the call in for the tag was related to the fire, but it might have been.The 911 recordings aren't particularly active at 2 am in a rural county such as Lumpkin. So I think those feeds are all activity logged for those time periods, not just HLA fire calls.
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THE ROOF!
THE ROOF!
THE ROOF IS ON FIRE!
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker BURN!!!
LOL... fuck yeah!
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1.5 million in insurance money is not enough to keep them afloat
Yes.. but this "tragedy" *cough* is enough to ask for donations from local churches, parents etc... I would bet money that they will play the "poor me" angle, to use a program expression.
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There is a back-up server off campus, but they're not sure if it replicated before the fire. That server has all of the students' grades and other important records so they can't say everything was destroyed.
Were there working smoke detectors at the time of the fire? If so, how could the night security not have heard those going off? Do any of those building have sprinkler systems? Does Georgia require sprinkler systems?
Why/how was the building 90% engulfed by the time the fire department arrived?
Why did the someone call in Christy Lynn Jones' tag number? Listen to this feed from 2:11 - 2:26 a.m. - at about 2:25 a.m. someone calls in her tag number for verification. Doesn't she live in Dawsonsville? Was her car damaged in the fire?
http://www.scanlumpkin.com/modules.php? ... &year=2007 (http://www.scanlumpkin.com/modules.php?name=FeedArchive&classic=1&archive=lumpkin&month=05&day=24&year=2007)
The radio feed contains all radio traffic for the county, Fire Sheriff, and NGCSU-Campus Police,
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How are they supposed to resume classes when there is no running water in the dorms? How can they possibly get that repaired before the students return?
Are the insurance premiums paid up? If not, how can the collect insurance money?
How does this affect the lawsuit against HLA? Is the insurance company aware of the lawsuit?
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How are they supposed to resume classes when there is no running water in the dorms? How can they possibly get that repaired before the students return?
Are the insurance premiums paid up? If not, how can the collect insurance money?
How does this affect the lawsuit against HLA? Is the insurance company aware of the lawsuit?
If I were an Evil program director, this is what I would have done... not that it happened. (please don't sue me, Len, you prick)
I would have been very lax on security with the kids the night of the fire, "letting" them escape around the campus with cigarettes and a lighter, left unattended where they could easily get away with it. That way, when I torched the place, there would be a good scapegoat when the fire dept figures out it was arson. (Fuckin kids... stole cigarettes, burned the whole building down). Now we all know that in program, you confess to things you didn't do, given enough pressure, and if other students knew who was absent at the time of the fire, and knew what they were doing... "Jimmy and Frank were smoking..."... Jimmy and Frank are then in a real shitty situation.
I bet you, they find out it is arson, but find a way to blame one of the kids. I hope, in that case, there is a real, real, good investigator looking into the facts of the fire. I doubt, however, that will be the case... I would suggest people start contacting the fire department and telling them about Len's really good motive (hypothetically) to torch the place.
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IF the security cameras were working it should be pretty easy to prove whether a student got out in the middle of the night....
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How are they supposed to resume classes when there is no running water in the dorms? How can they possibly get that repaired before the students return?
Are the insurance premiums paid up? If not, how can the collect insurance money?
How does this affect the lawsuit against HLA? Is the insurance company aware of the lawsuit?
The children are use to no running water, remember?
According to a source,'' there is no property insurance,
because the 'owner' let it lapse". So, it doesn't make any
sense...
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Maybe someone who hates the school set it on fire.
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Well that narrows it down to about a thousand people.... :roll:
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I never witnessed a fire drill while I worked there. Glad to hear no one was hurt...staff who leave HLA still think about the kids:-) There were some serious safety concerns present years ago...yes the staff need to prevent late-night escapes, etc but those kids have got to safe in the event of a fire.
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Wouldn't the Academic, Administration, and Cafeteria buildings be locked at night? Who has access to them at 2am?
Did the building have a sprinkler system?
Smoke detectors?
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As far as I can remember, the building has no sprinklers. The new building has none too, as I remember. The buildings had fire alarms, but remember, Lennie has the keys to the fire control box. Who says you can't just silence the alarms?
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Glad to hear no one was hurt...staff who leave HLA still think about the kids:-)
Maybe, but that's neither here nor there, as the fire wasn't set by anyone leaving HLA, it was set by someone working for Len Buccellato.
Don't pretend otherwise.
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Does anyone know how long it takes (on average) for the fire investigators to determine the cause of the fire? I've been told it's pretty easy to figure out where the fire originated (it's rumored the fire started back near Ian's classroom).
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that would make sense. as far as possible from the new building.
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So hypothetically: Burn down the old building, collect the insurance money, re-build the academic building to make the place more marketable or saleable?
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Does anyone know how long it takes (on average) for the fire investigators to determine the cause of the fire? I've been told it's pretty easy to figure out where the fire originated (it's rumored the fire started back near Ian's classroom).
Safety
Fire Division: 404-656-2064
Safety Fire Engineering and Inspections: 404-656-7087
ANYONE CAN CALL THE STATE FIRE COMMISSION
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I have a question. In the fire pictures, it appears that two buildings burned. Did the old original admin bldg still exist? The one that was on the right across from the dining hall? Was the new wing to the academic bldg built to replace that older bldg? I didnt see the older admin bldg in any pictures and was wondering if it still existed or if it burned along with the academic bldg. It was one of the older bldgs on campus. The academic bldg was built I think in 1995 so it was one of the newer ones.
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So how are you dealing with this Susie Q? Are you drapped in sack cloth and black eye shadow? Are you in mourning?
What's the story?
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I was just happy to hear no one was hurt and they're lucky the whole of North georgia didn't burn down because of it. Dorm supervision staff used to sneak out for late night smokes when I was there...not sure what happened. Looks like HLA is experiencing some legal troubles since I left in 2003...too bad all the allegations are true to my knowledge. I wish the school admin really was focused on helping the kids and not making themselves more money.
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Good Golly! Look what happenes when you don't check in for a few days. For the record, I was in VERMONT fishing with one of my buddies. Thanks, RB, for the phone call to let me know what was happening.
So, Jewish Lightning in Georgia, huh? I always thought that was our specialty up here around NYC, but I guess it does happen in Georgia, too.
Very relieved to hear nobody was hurt - just imagine if it broke out in the dorms with bolted windows... We'd have some more dead kids on our hands now...
Looking forward to the Fire Marshall's investigation of this incident.
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the new admin building was the second building and is still in near perfect condition.
the math:
dorm b now used for classes. the dorm capacity was not needed due to drop in enrollment.
insurance money is free $$$s now; no need to re-build anything.
the classroom building simply was not necessary...hence the fire, which of course was strated as far away from the new building as possible and in the science room-- perception of flammable and electrical stuff.
1.5 million can keep it going. kids may=scapegoats.
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Thank God is right that the fire did not spread to the dorms since they are a fire trap with only a few ways out of there. My child told me that no alarms were heard on campus at all...and they never had a fire drill the entire time that my child has been at HLA.
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I'm sure a current staff will post soon enough that they do regular fire drills...just like all staff carry the certifications the school claims they have---the truth about my qualifications was "stretched" to satisfy some lawyer somewhere, but corners were cut then and I'm sure they continue to be. Plenty of staff there are good people with the best interests of the kids in mind, but administration was always all about the $$$$$...hence me leaving there. I'll keep checking in to see what the investigation turns up...but it smells fishy to me!
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I agree that they have some true caring staff there, but they definitely have some asses working there also..and the way that school is run now, it is about GREED!! :flame:
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Please do so!
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I think the timing of the fire is Unreal. Do you think that anyone that knows all the troubles that HLA has had over the last year with dwindling enrollment and staff leaving and a petition for a lawsuit hanging out there, that anybody would NOT be suspicious of that fire! Really bad timing for a fire the day before lots of kids graduated and were leaving HLA with such few students. I will be glad to hear what the investigation turns up.
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the new admin building was the second building and is still in near perfect condition.
the math:
dorm b now used for classes. the dorm capacity was not needed due to drop in enrollment.
insurance money is free $$$s now; no need to re-build anything.
the classroom building simply was not necessary...hence the fire, which of course was strated as far away from the new building as possible and in the science room-- perception of flammable and electrical stuff.
1.5 million can keep it going. kids may=scapegoats.
insurance money is free $$$s now; no need to re-build anything.
Perhaps there is no intention of ever doing so (re-building)? Claim bankruptcy and never re-open next year? Take the money and run? Woe be to the parents that pre-pay for part or all of the following year!
The fire had to be done while the kids were still there; more potential suspects to obfuscate matters...
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Thank God is right that the fire did not spread to the dorms since they are a fire trap with only a few ways out of there. My child told me that no alarms were heard on campus at all...and they never had a fire drill the entire time that my child has been at HLA.
Then please contact the FIre Safety Comimssion State of Georgia
and let them know there were no alarms and no drills.
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To my knowledge theyve never had them. They certainlly didnt when I was there.
Susie what are your thoughts on this issue?
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Again, word on the street has it that Bucci let the insurance lapse on purpose and that there was no "property insurance".
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To my knowledge theyve never had them. They certainlly didnt when I was there.
Susie what are your thoughts on this issue?
I was informed by a former staff that they have had 2 in 12 years
at the most.
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Sounds like a solid safety record to me.
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Thank God is right that the fire did not spread to the dorms since they are a fire trap with only a few ways out of there. My child told me that no alarms were heard on campus at all...and they never had a fire drill the entire time that my child has been at HLA.
Listen lady, with all the shit that goes down at that place, that fire should be the least of your worries. Take your child out now before its too late and he or she turns out the way alot of the fine products of HLA did (like me). Now I'm not looking for a god damn pity party, I'm just simply saying that I will never forgive my parents for sending me there. Yeah, yeah, I've heard it all, "oh!, but they care about you and love you and thats why they did it!" Well then I think all you parents out there should ask yourself this, did you send your kid there because you love them? or did you send them there because you had the money to and didn't want to deal with the shit that was going on in there lives? Well for the majority of you, it's probably the second one, but for the parents that did send your kids there because you truly did care, nevermind...most of the parents who are reading this probably don't really care about what I have to say, so why waste my time? Again, not looking for a pity party or a therapy session, but that school TRULY messed up my life. There's not one day that goes by where I don't have dreams..no, nightmares about the shit that went on at that place, and theres not one day that goes by where I don't think about my friend P.K. who died a prisoner in that place. Please, parents, I urge you to pull your kids out of that hell hole, I would never wish even my worst enemy to have to go through what i went through in that horrid year of my life.
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If thats true that there was no current property insurance, then arson would be a strange thing to do. Just a thought. Maybe it was an accidental fire like a computer overheating? What was in the room that caught fire? Were there computers or any sort of wiring like the fuse box maybe? I can't place which room they were referring to in an earlier post as the one that the fire started in.
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Thats because you never spent any time around the actual school remember?
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to my knowledge there is NOTHING in the Academic building which could cause a fire....exept maybe bad wiring. there is nothing in the science lab which is flammable or can explode/overheat etc. they had the little thingys with methane for the bunson burners, but they were never used. i was in andy C's classes the entire time i was there and we never used them - i think they didnt have authorization or money to supply the gas. it had to have been arson.
i'm thinking maybe this was planned for a long time - heavy-duty firewall between the old and new buildings is evidence. how often are firwalls built between ajoined buildings / annexes?
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Robert Bill's office was in that academic building remember? It was to the left of the entrance that was right next to the old admin building. I was in there almost every day during the week delivering the mail to him from the post office in the mornings after dropping the kids off at school. A few years later, his office moved to the gym building. I saw that building being built to some extent, but it was finished by the time we moved on campus in 1997. I was familiar with that building at least on that end of it. I don't however, know what was in the other rooms. The only thing I remember for sure was there were dorm rooms on the basement level at one time, and there was a library in that building on the top floor along with classrooms, and 2 or 3 other offices for staff. But specific rooms and their purpose that I don't remember.
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Downstairs
Spanish, art, math, social studies, history, closet, storage room.
Upstairs
Computer room, english, special education, computer lab, science, more social studies, registrar, math, couple of admin offices.
that reminds me...the lack of computer problem just compounded...another problem that won't be fixed anytime soon.
..ohh and the poor fish in the upstairs math room.
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The news reports say that the fire destroyed the academic building valued at $1.5 Million dollars - how in the world did they come up with that value? There's no way that structure and its contents could be valued at $1.5 M. Is that what is was insured for or is that for all of the buildings?
Here's another question: Bucci writes a letter to the judge telling him to dismiss the lawsuit or he'll be forced to close the school. Yet Mike Smith is out there telling the press that they're going to move classes to another building and it's business as usual - so a fire that supposedly caused $1.5 M in damage doesn't shut the school down, but a pending lawsuit will force the school to close: Which is it? Chuck, do you care to respond? Oh, that's right - you bailed out just in time....
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Link to the story in Access North Georiga:
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/ ... ?ID=114534 (http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=114534)
Mike Smith Director of Operation for the school said they have space to relocate the classrooms. Smith said students were scheduled to be off next week and they will use that time to set up the classroom areas. Classes at the school are held year round.
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Wanna bet that Bucci is about to make a move to the Cayman Islands and take all the hidden HLA money with him(if its not already there).
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Listen lady, with all the shit that goes down at that place, that fire should be the least of your worries. Take your child out now before its too late and he or she turns out the way alot of the fine products of HLA did (like me). Now I'm not looking for a god damn pity party, I'm just simply saying that I will never forgive my parents for sending me there. Yeah, yeah, I've heard it all, "oh!, but they care about you and love you and thats why they did it!" Well then I think all you parents out there should ask yourself this, did you send your kid there because you love them? or did you send them there because you had the money to and didn't want to deal with the shit that was going on in there lives? Well for the majority of you, it's probably the second one, but for the parents that did send your kids there because you truly did care, nevermind...most of the parents who are reading this probably don't really care about what I have to say, so why waste my time? Again, not looking for a pity party or a therapy session, but that school TRULY messed up my life. There's not one day that goes by where I don't have dreams..no, nightmares about the shit that went on at that place, and theres not one day that goes by where I don't think about my friend P.K. who died a prisoner in that place. Please, parents, I urge you to pull your kids out of that hell hole, I would never wish even my worst enemy to have to go through what i went through in that horrid year of my life.
Hey Guest2007, you are full of shit!!! It's funny cause P.K. graduated and went home. Yet you are projecting that he died at the school. Get your facts straight idiot!
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Wanna bet that Bucci is about to make a move to the Cayman Islands and take all the hidden HLA money with him(if its not already there).
I'll lay my money down next to yours.
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Hey Guest2007, you are full of shit!!! It's funny cause P.K. graduated and went home. Yet you are projecting that he died at the school. Get your facts straight idiot![/quote]
You think it's "funny" that P.K. graduated, went home, and then died? No one is projecting that he died at the school you fucking moron. Get your facts straight - the person said he didn't get the help he needed at HLA or was promised.
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Downstairs
Spanish, art, math, social studies, history, closet, storage room.
Upstairs
Computer room, english, special education, computer lab, science, more social studies, registrar, math, couple of admin offices.
that reminds me...the lack of computer problem just compounded...another problem that won't be fixed anytime soon.
..ohh and the poor fish in the upstairs math room.
Poor fish :cry:
Also, don't forget there was a large bathroom on the lower level aslo...as well as the "dungeon" where we used to go for restrictions. God that was a creepy place.
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How could parents knowing that HLA has so few staff and students left send thier children back to HLA when the entire academic building was burned to the ground? That would include I am sure textbooks, any lesson plans, computers etc. I cannot imagine why HLA would want to try to stay in business at this point either. Families that are paying out that much $$$ per month should not settle for the what HLA has become. Hardly any teachers left on staff to provide any type of education and how about therapy? I certainly would not pay $6000 a month plus all the other marked up fees etc. to a school that has been reduced to not much of anything. :o :roll: :exclaim:
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Current Parents of HLA need to stop sticking their heads in the sand and not looking at what is really going on. Do you really want to pay $6000 a month for people to babysit your kids. I had a former student warn me about sending my child to HLA telling me how "unhealthy" that place is..I know that parents want to believe HLA so much, but do not let them brain wash you people into believing everything they tell you.
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to my knowledge there is NOTHING in the Academic building which could cause a fire....exept maybe bad wiring. there is nothing in the science lab which is flammable or can explode/overheat etc. they had the little thingys with methane for the bunson burners, but they were never used. i was in andy C's classes the entire time i was there and we never used them - i think they didnt have authorization or money to supply the gas. it had to have been arson.
i'm thinking maybe this was planned for a long time - heavy-duty firewall between the old and new buildings is evidence. how often are firwalls built between ajoined buildings / annexes?
It is state code
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This was published today in the Gainesville Times.
School fire's cause remains unknown
By STEPHEN GURR
The Times
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State fire officials said Wednesday they may never be able to determine what caused a fire at a private school in Lumpkin County that resulted in an estimated $1.5 million in damage last week.
Officials with Hidden Lake Academy, an exclusive boarding school for teens with behavioral problems, declined to comment on the blaze that destroyed a two-story, 15,000-square foot academic building in the early morning hours.
Kathleen Heasley, Hidden Lake Academy's director of development and communications, said through a school secretary that there would be no comments to the news media about the fire.
Lumpkin County Fire Chief Edward Eggert said investigators with State Insurance and Safety Fire Commissioner John Oxendine's office continued to sift through the rubble for clues as recently as Tuesday.
The investigation focused on a ground-level office in the building, which housed as many as 20 classrooms, Eggert said.
"On our arrival, that was the area with the most flames and damage," Eggert said.
The fire, reported by a 911 call at about 2 a.m., destroyed the building by mid-Friday morning. Students housed in male and female dormitories were on campus at the time of the fire, Eggert said. Graduation ceremonies were scheduled for the following day.
Eggert said he was told by school officials that the building was constructed in 1992.
A newer, $3.5 million administration building adjacent to the academic building was spared by a firewall and the efforts of firefighters, Eggert said.
Glenn Allen, a spokesman for Oxendine's office, said investigators were unable to determine an exact cause of the blaze because any clues as to how it started were destroyed in the fire.
"It looks like (the cause is) going to be ruled undetermined because of the damage," Allen said.
Eggert said an electrical cause could not be ruled out.
Allen said there was no suspicion by his office that the fire was purposely set, but anyone with information about the fire could contact the state's arson hotline and receive a reward of up to $10,000.
Hidden Lake Academy, located northwest of Dahlonega off Wahsega Road, advertises itself as a highly structured school offering both academics and group therapy for its students, most of whom "struggle with issues of Oppositional Defiant Disorder," according to its Web site.
The 15- to 18-month program requires a tuition of $6,000 per month, according to the academy's Web site.
Contact: [email protected], (770) 718-3428.
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Unreal article. How could they even let the investigation go that fast when HLA is in the financial trouble that they are in right now? That just seems bass ackwards to me.
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investigators were unable to determine an exact cause of the blaze because any clues as to how it started were destroyed in the fire.
Bull fucking shit.
Looks like someone got paid off.
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That makes me furious that bucci is going to get away with this. Someone call the fucking arson hotline, that 10 grand is just as good as yours...
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Is the reporter aware of the lawsuit?
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The reporter must not have known about the lawsuit or how could he not mention that??
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Sounds like that to pretty much everyone who knows what kind of trouble they are in now. Hello People? How could the investigation not go on?
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len and oj seem to have something in common now...
maybe len could write a book called "if i had done it"
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There's no way that investigation is over and complete. No insurance company is going to shell out $1.5 million to cover an "undetermined" blaze - especially with a class action lawsuit pending.
Doesn't anyone else find it odd that the school had no comment on the fire when just the other day Mike Smith was running his trap to Access North Georgia? Someone's attorneys must have told them to keep their mouths quiet.
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The reporter must not have known about the lawsuit or how could he not mention that??
WELL NOW, THAT CAN BE FIXED. tHE REPORTERS E-MAIL IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE ARTICLE. TAKE HIS ARTICLE, ALONG WITH THE ONES FROM THE NUGGET BY MATT, THE ACCESS NORTH GEORIAS TWO ARTICLES(ONE ABOUT THE LAWSUIT, ONE THE FIRE) AND CUT,PASTE AND THEN SEND THEM TO THE TIMES REPORTER. CAPTION: DO
SOME SNIFFING AROUND.
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The reporter must not have known about the lawsuit or how could he not mention that??
WELL NOW, THAT CAN BE FIXED. tHE REPORTERS E-MAIL IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE ARTICLE. TAKE HIS ARTICLE, ALONG WITH THE ONES FROM THE NUGGET BY MATT, THE ACCESS NORTH GEORIAS TWO ARTICLES(ONE ABOUT THE LAWSUIT, ONE THE FIRE) AND CUT,PASTE AND THEN SEND THEM TO THE TIMES REPORTER. CAPTION: DO
SOME SNIFFING AROUND.
Contact: [email protected], (770) 718-3428.
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Well I don't know about arson vs accidental, but I do know the date that building was built was incorrect. It was NOT built in 1992, it was built in either 1995 or 1996. Not that it matters really I suppose. But the school wasnt even open in 1992, and it was HLA who had that building built, not the former owners. And you can bet no insurance company is going to shell out money without their own investigation. Just because the paper reported that doesnt mean its a completely factual and accurate article.
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Well I don't know about arson vs accidental, but I do know the date that building was built was incorrect. It was NOT built in 1992, it was built in either 1995 or 1996. Not that it matters really I suppose. But the school wasnt even open in 1992, and it was HLA who had that building built, not the former owners. And you can bet no insurance company is going to shell out money without their own investigation. Just because the paper reported that doesnt mean its a completely factual and accurate article.
Hmm. Curious.
Eggert said he was told by school officials that the building was constructed in 1992.
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Well Deborah it sorta makes sense that they got it wrong, the people they probably asked the supposed "school officials" probably werent working there back then, hardly any of the original folks are still there to know when it was built. But I remember when it was being built and I saw the school before it ever opened and the only buildings standing in july of 1994 was the house I lived in (which has since been renovated), the original metal admin building, the kitchen/cafeteria, a dorm next to that which has been torn down, a house which has been torn down, a small house my inlaws lived in which is gone now, 2 mobile homes, gone now, and the old original pool house which was converted to dorms later. Oh and a workshop/storage bldg next to my old house where the townhouses are now. That was it. Most bldgs now standing were built after january of 1995 with the exception of what I mentioned above. But, like I said, the date probably really doesnt matter much in this particular issue.
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Yeah that was back in the good old days when we had to have our food served to us outside. Remember that Susie?
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I'm going to try this again. There haven't been any new issues on this site, just the same old stuff being batted about without any hope of resolution. I stated my points and others obviously disagreed with them. Finally a new topic; although one I wish hadn't happened.
I'm going to say something that will probably partially surprise many of the HLA dissenters out there - I think it was arson. However, I think a stronger case can be made for a HLA-hater than Dr. B.
Apparently, Dr. B was in Atlanta when he received the call in the middle of the night according to my sources. It seems as though a few are trying desperately to say Dr. B set the fire. I have a hard time seeing him in a black cat suit skulking around campus in the middle of the night, setting fire, and traveling at warp factor 6 to Atlanta to take the call.
Before the two or three "Dr, B did it!" conspiracy theory proponents keep drifting too far from reality toward a thorazine drip, has anyone thought about the arsonist being one of the HLA-haters on this site? As someone said in a prior post, the field can be narrowed to about a thousand people. Setting a fire that close to a graduation would be more likely done by someone who wanted to tarnish HLA in front of many family and friends, not a staff member/HLA-supporter focused on giving the graduates a well-deserved ceremony.
I hope whomever did this is quickly arrested and fully prosecuted. I really feel sorry for the teachers losing their classrooms. Even if they didn't have any personal posessions in there, it is still their "place". I heard Hawley lost a great deal of personal items. He's a great and genuine person.
For the record, sprinklers aren't required in that area of the country. Fire alarms probably went off, but if they aren't connected to a horn outside, there's little warning without seeing some evidence of a fire. I'm just glad everyone was safe. The financial records should be easily reconstructed from redundant information from parents, CPA, banks, etc.
Peace. :-? (can't smile with this incident)
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Well put, Function. If Dr. B is the conspiring, devious devil that these poor, misinformed fools here on Fornits believe, it should be apparent that the timing of this tragedy does not fit the character portrait painted by these spoiled, conformist, malcontented posters. According to their own words, HLA has been "torturing children" for years with impunity. In addition, Dr. B MUST have a Svengali-like power over state agencies and inspectors. He routinely, over the course of many successful years, has robbed desperate, frightened parents. My GOD!!! Why would such an evil and astute criminal mind, stoop to such a blatantly incriminating tactic as arson and insurance fraud, when the situation at HLA was finally improving, for the first time since the malicious inception of this baseless litigation. It doesn't seem to fit the Fornit-created persona of Dr. B, does it? Thus, I must agree with you. I intend to point investigators toward this pathetic site. I'm certain that they will be interested in the vicious lies and direct verbal attacks found here.
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I'm going to try this again. There haven't been any new issues on this site, just the same old stuff being batted about without any hope of resolution. I stated my points and others obviously disagreed with them. Finally a new topic; although one I wish hadn't happened.
I'm going to say something that will probably partially surprise many of the HLA dissenters out there - I think it was arson. However, I think a stronger case can be made for a HLA-hater than Dr. B.
Apparently, Dr. B was in Atlanta when he received the call in the middle of the night according to my sources. It seems as though a few are trying desperately to say Dr. B set the fire. I have a hard time seeing him in a black cat suit skulking around campus in the middle of the night, setting fire, and traveling at warp factor 6 to Atlanta to take the call.
Before the two or three "Dr, B did it!" conspiracy theory proponents keep drifting too far from reality toward a thorazine drip, has anyone thought about the arsonist being one of the HLA-haters on this site? As someone said in a prior post, the field can be narrowed to about a thousand people. Setting a fire that close to a graduation would be more likely done by someone who wanted to tarnish HLA in front of many family and friends, not a staff member/HLA-supporter focused on giving the graduates a well-deserved ceremony.
I hope whomever did this is quickly arrested and fully prosecuted. I really feel sorry for the teachers losing their classrooms. Even if they didn't have any personal posessions in there, it is still their "place". I heard Hawley lost a great deal of personal items. He's a great and genuine person.
For the record, sprinklers aren't required in that area of the country. Fire alarms probably went off, but if they aren't connected to a horn outside, there's little warning without seeing some evidence of a fire. I'm just glad everyone was safe. The financial records should be easily reconstructed from redundant information from parents, CPA, banks, etc.
Peace. :-? (can't smile with this incident)
YAWN. Here we have phase two of the plan unfolding. Sybil Im actually suprised you didnt catch the alleged culprit in the act. After all you did claim to wander around the campus all hours of the night. How did you miss it?
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Well put, Function. If Dr. B is the conspiring, devious devil that these poor, misinformed fools here on Fornits believe, it should be apparent that the timing of this tragedy does not fit the character portrait painted by these spoiled, conformist, malcontented posters.
Did the lap dog really just call us conformist? :rofl:
According to their own words, HLA has been "torturing children" for years with impunity. In addition, Dr. B MUST have a Svengali-like power over state agencies and inspectors. He routinely, over the course of many successful years, has robbed desperate, frightened parents. My GOD!!
Careful with what you say there chief. People have been sued by him for less.
Why would such an evil and astute criminal mind, stoop to such a blatantly incriminating tactic as arson and insurance fraud, when the situation at HLA was finally improving, for the first time since the malicious inception of this baseless litigation
The judge didnt feel it was quite so baseless though did he? Still burns you up inside doesnt it?
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Tell us more how with enrollment at record lows how things were finally improving?
It doesn't seem to fit the Fornit-created persona of Dr. B, does it? Thus, I must agree with you. I intend to point investigators toward this pathetic site. I'm certain that they will be interested in the vicious lies and direct verbal attacks found here.
No you won't. We're too honest about things here and we back up our claims. You dont want to bring any more heat down on your owner, trust me.
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FJ - Who has more motive to burn the place down? A few "disgruntled" parents or an owner who is facing a huge lawsuit, and, if the rumors are correct, whose property is on the brink of foreclosure? Please direct the investigators to this site so they consider "motive", if this was indeed a case of arson.
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Go ahead and Point Investigators to this site DA. We would be glad to tell any investigators why we hate HLA and what they have done to us familes that paid them a bunch of money only to have them not do what they promised to do for our children. You people out there that speak without having experienced this place and the blatant empty promises that they make to you to gain enrollment will never understand. NEVER. I bet you would understand if you had been the one who shelled out over $100,000 based on what HLA told you they could do to help your kid. You could only get it if HLA had screwed you 2. Talk about pathetic. The people that are on this site telling the damn truth are not the ones that are pathetic. The ones that are pathetic are the ones that speak out of the side of their mouths defending HLA when they have not been the ones shelling out the money. :flame: :evil: :rofl: :roll:
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IF this was arson an objective viewer would not be unreasonable to look at BOTH Len B. and some of the people that post on this site. A case could be made either way.
Or, it could have just been an accident.
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I'm going to try this again. There haven't been any new issues on this site, just the same old stuff being batted about without any hope of resolution. I stated my points and others obviously disagreed with them. Finally a new topic; although one I wish hadn't happened.
I'm going to say something that will probably partially surprise many of the HLA dissenters out there - I think it was arson. However, I think a stronger case can be made for a HLA-hater than Dr. B.
Apparently, Dr. B was in Atlanta when he received the call in the middle of the night according to my sources. It seems as though a few are trying desperately to say Dr. B set the fire. I have a hard time seeing him in a black cat suit skulking around campus in the middle of the night, setting fire, and traveling at warp factor 6 to Atlanta to take the call.
Before the two or three "Dr, B did it!" conspiracy theory proponents keep drifting too far from reality toward a thorazine drip, has anyone thought about the arsonist being one of the HLA-haters on this site? As someone said in a prior post, the field can be narrowed to about a thousand people. Setting a fire that close to a graduation would be more likely done by someone who wanted to tarnish HLA in front of many family and friends, not a staff member/HLA-supporter focused on giving the graduates a well-deserved ceremony.
I hope whomever did this is quickly arrested and fully prosecuted. I really feel sorry for the teachers losing their classrooms. Even if they didn't have any personal posessions in there, it is still their "place". I heard Hawley lost a great deal of personal items. He's a great and genuine person.
For the record, sprinklers aren't required in that area of the country. Fire alarms probably went off, but if they aren't connected to a horn outside, there's little warning without seeing some evidence of a fire. I'm just glad everyone was safe. The financial records should be easily reconstructed from redundant information from parents, CPA, banks, etc.
Peace. :-? (can't smile with this incident)
What a ridiculous load of shit. Len didn't set the fire - he doesn't have the balls. Did he PAY someone to do it? Probably so.
On the brink of bankruptcy, forced to open up patient records for the lawsuit and for licensing (which FJ said would happen soon, but apparently isn't going to happen at all) and Len has NO MOTIVE to destroy the records and pocket a cool $1.5mil? What are you smoking, FJ? Must be some of that good Georgia dank, because you are whacked out of your shrunken head, dude.
It was most likely arson and most likely committed (indirectly) by the person with the greatest financial motive - LEN.
As for the other idiot, no need to point the arson inspector to this site - it's already been done. If he can't find motive for Len committing this crime here, then he's as blind and dumb as you and FJ...
Take care.
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Well said Guest! I know that lots of people including current staff have the same suspicions of the fire. They just do not want to admit it. Function Junction is grasping at straws to defend the sinking ship. Watch out FJ, they might take you down with them.
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I will attempt to explain this for the pathetic intellects conforming to the herd mentality, which prevails on this site. An insurance company is created for PROFIT. Insurance companies do not, and are not obligated to, pay a claim, if the cause of the loss remains in question. All large property/casualty insurance companies employ claim investigators, who are far more thorough than state investigators. They are on the company payroll to help prevent fraud and save the company money. Their investigations into situations, in which the cause is listed as "undetermined," "suspicious," or "arson," are lengthy, intrusive, and, in most instances, successful. It is rare that a perpetrator escapes, especially if the criminal is the policyholder.
A building is insured for its replacement value. This means that, AFTER the investigator has determined that there was NO wrong doing on the part of the policyholder(s) , claim adjusters are called in to determine the least expensive and most appropriate method of restoration. This process could last for months. In any case, a "cool 1.5 million" will NOT be paid to any individual in a lump sum and NO insurance claim will be honored, until the last t is crossed on the adjuster's forms. Once again, this could take months, as contractor bids must and will be gathered and assessed, lost equipment and personal property lists must and will be gathered and assessed. I am sorry to ruin your conspiracy party, but that is the way things work in the "real world." The fornits created persona of Dr. B would seem to negate such a sloppy criminal mind as the one depicted on this thread.
This tragedy has caused much hardship for HLA and Dr. B, in particular. However, the school was started with 10 students and the low enrollment means far more individual academic and therapeutic attention may be paid to each student. In addition, text books and other teaching materials can be "emergency" ordered and the facilities exist to house appropriate, constructive learning spaces.
Before the subject arises, I will also state the obvious. Fewer students require fewer teachers, counselors, and support staff. As the student population begins to increase, so too will staff members. Student enrollments will increase, as soon as this baseless litigation is inevitably dismissed.
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The only tragedy is if any prospective parent were to read your comments and believe what you say. We, the families who have lived and experienced HLA in the past know what the hell we are talking about asshole. Obviously you are a staff member of HLA desperate trying to paint a pretty picture. It ain't pretty no matter what color you try and paint it. You must be one of the brown nosers that have been brainwashed to believe everything you are told! Get a freakin life and wake up to the real world. The litigation is not baseless at all. It is the TRUTH and the truth is not something that you guys want to admit. Why do you think so many families are joining the petition for the lawsuit? It sure is not because they think they will get any money back. It is the principle of the thing. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and the wrong that has happened to these families is very wrong. In fact some of these families feel they were robbed blind. You cannot change the facts no matter how you spin it! :lol: :roll:
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Its no more far fetched then the theory you lap dogs have created that one of us was somehow respondsible for the fire.
I'm curious though, what makes you think things are going to pick back up for HLA at all? They're out of money and their reputation has been destroyed. Whether they get licensed or not (and I hope they do) its going to be tough to come out of this unscathed.
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How many families have "joined" the litigation since its malicious inception? Do you know or are you simply spewing more stupidity? Where do you come by your "truth?" Rumors? Gossip? FORNITS? Parents who refused to participate in the rearing, emotional, and therapeutic needs of their children? Oh wait, you are one of those parents aren't you? HLA's program requires work by the student AND the parent. Perhaps you missed that aspect---The work required by the parent---When the effort is consistent by BOTH parent and child, HLA SAVES families.
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How many families have been helped by HLA since its malicious inception? Do you know or are you simply spewing more stupidity? Where do you come by your "truth?" Rumors? Gossip? COMPANY MEMOS? Staff members who get off on abusing kids? Greedy money hungry con artist who care nothing about the safety and well being of children? Oh wait, you are one of those staff members aren't you? HLA's program requires a three month prepaid deposit and a non disclosure agreement. Perhaps you missed that aspect---The timely payments required by the parent---When the silence and cooperation is consistent by BOTH parent and child, HLA SAVES families 10% if they pay the entire programs tuition up front.
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Ha Ha Ha... Brilliant.
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Yes, we DO know how many families have joined the lawsuit and know that plenty more will be joining the lawsuit soon I am quite sure. We are not weak ignorant people that you can jerk around and intimidate into not speaking the truth. We also are not HLA students that you can put on restrictions for speaking our minds. Sorry, but most of us are people that can afford to speak up and tell the truth and we will do just that!
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How many families have "joined" the litigation since its malicious inception? Do you know or are you simply spewing more stupidity? Where do you come by your "truth?" Rumors? Gossip? FORNITS? Parents who refused to participate in the rearing, emotional, and therapeutic needs of their children? Oh wait, you are one of those parents aren't you? HLA's program requires work by the student AND the parent. Perhaps you missed that aspect---The work required by the parent---When the effort is consistent by BOTH parent and child, HLA SAVES families.
and thats why they charge $6000 a month? you dont need to pay anyone to have parents work with their kids.
HLA wrecks families, not saves them. it's hitlers last achievement. you're all going down, it's guarenteed by the laws of karma.
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Also, while the HLA staffer is trying to defend HLA, why don't you tell us all about all the families that paid the full tuition up front and pulled their children out of HLA early and what happened to them?
Does HLA owe any of these families thousands upon thousands of dollars back? Have they been repaid? Tell us that story. We would love to hear all about that. :wink:
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Robert--No one truly believes that you poor, pathetic cattle are capable of even leaving your "computer stations," beyond going to the bathroom or kitchen of the houses or trailers (that are most likely funded by someone else), in which you spend your miserable, self-pitying lives; much less that any of you are capable of the mental and physical ability needed to perpetrate such a heinous caper. As to your questions, I'll simply say that there are MANY people who think very highly of HLA and its successes to allow its failure to be brought about by a few vicious and neglectful individuals.
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I will attempt to explain this for the pathetic intellects conforming to the herd mentality, which prevails on this site. An insurance company is created for PROFIT. Insurance companies do not, and are not obligated to, pay a claim, if the cause of the loss remains in question. All large property/casualty insurance companies employ claim investigators, who are far more thorough than state investigators. They are on the company payroll to help prevent fraud and save the company money. Their investigations into situations, in which the cause is listed as "undetermined," "suspicious," or "arson," are lengthy, intrusive, and, in most instances, successful. It is rare that a perpetrator escapes, especially if the criminal is the policyholder.
A building is insured for its replacement value. This means that, AFTER the investigator has determined that there was NO wrong doing on the part of the policyholder(s) , claim adjusters are called in to determine the least expensive and most appropriate method of restoration. This process could last for months. In any case, a "cool 1.5 million" will NOT be paid to any individual in a lump sum and NO insurance claim will be honored, until the last t is crossed on the adjuster's forms. Once again, this could take months, as contractor bids must and will be gathered and assessed, lost equipment and personal property lists must and will be gathered and assessed. I am sorry to ruin your conspiracy party, but that is the way things work in the "real world." The fornits created persona of Dr. B would seem to negate such a sloppy criminal mind as the one depicted on this thread.
This tragedy has caused much hardship for HLA and Dr. B, in particular. However, the school was started with 10 students and the low enrollment means far more individual academic and therapeutic attention may be paid to each student. In addition, text books and other teaching materials can be "emergency" ordered and the facilities exist to house appropriate, constructive learning spaces.
Before the subject arises, I will also state the obvious. Fewer students require fewer teachers, counselors, and support staff. As the student population begins to increase, so too will staff members. Student enrollments will increase, as soon as this baseless litigation is inevitably dismissed.
You seem to know a lot about this insurance thing. Is that gasoline we smell on your hands?
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Robert--No one truly believes that you poor, pathetic cattle are capable of even leaving your "computer stations," beyond going to the bathroom or kitchen of the houses or trailers (that are most likely funded by someone else), in which you spend your miserable, self-pitying lives; much less that any of you are capable of the mental and physical ability needed to perpetrate such a heinous caper. As to your questions, I'll simply say that there are MANY people who think very highly of HLA and its successes to allow its failure to be brought about by a few vicious and neglectful individuals.
Shut the fuck up, you sanctimonious prick. Go peddle that jive somewhere else because nobody believes a word you say. This is simply more of HLA's method: "Don't believe your eyes, believe ME!"
Well, sport, your credibility is nil. You come accross as an angry, jobless pseudo-intellectual looking to get your rocks off by screaming at children over the internet.
Let me tell you something. You're not the smartest person here, nor the most eloquent or even the the most factual. You are simply an obstreperous boot licker for Len Buccellato; nothing more, nothing less. So listen up, you mental defective, I have news for you: HLA IS CLOSING. Either by Len's own hand, the inability to get a license or the lawsuit. One way or the other; pick your poison.
Now get off your ass, move away from computer, stop feeling sorry for yourself, come to grips with reality and walk your narrow ass down to the unemployment line.
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Actually, I run an insurance company and my family was SAVED by HLA.
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Joe, you did not speak about all the money owed back to all these HLA families that pulled their children early. Most of us out here could buy and sell any employee there thousands of times over when it comes to income. Now you are just getting petty talking like that. Like Jack Nicholson said in one of his movies, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH".
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Actually, I run an insurance company and my family was SAVED by HLA.
You keep telling yourself that......
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If your family was saved by HLA, you are one of the very few who can say that. Your child must have been a very compliant child and did what he was told.
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Is that Joe, That Whacko from Waco posting here on Fornits?!
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Robert--No one truly believes that you poor, pathetic cattle are capable of even leaving your "computer stations," beyond going to the bathroom or kitchen of the houses or trailers (that are most likely funded by someone else), in which you spend your miserable, self-pitying lives; much less that any of you are capable of the mental and physical ability needed to perpetrate such a heinous caper.
Are you sure?
Sybil wrote
Before the two or three "Dr, B did it!" conspiracy theory proponents keep drifting too far from reality toward a thorazine drip, has anyone thought about the arsonist being one of the HLA-haters on this site? As someone said in a prior post, the field can be narrowed to about a thousand people. Setting a fire that close to a graduation would be more likely done by someone who wanted to tarnish HLA in front of many family and friends, not a staff member/HLA-supporter focused on giving the graduates a well-deserved ceremony.
It looks to me like you missed that memo there chief. You all have been instructed to think that one of us was somehow involved. You better get on board with the program, you know how quickly thought crime is punished where you work.
As to trailers, this is coming from the guy who lives in North Georgia. A place where nine out of ten homes are on wheels.
As to your questions, I'll simply say that there are MANY people who think very highly of HLA and its successes to allow its failure to be brought about by a few vicious and neglectful individuals.
Don't forget honest and correct. I don't doubt there are many people who would prefer we all just went away and stopped telling the truth about HLA. But like the man said, you can't always get what you want.
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Robert--No one truly believes that you poor, pathetic cattle are capable of even leaving your "computer stations," beyond going to the bathroom or kitchen of the houses or trailers (that are most likely funded by someone else), in which you spend your miserable, self-pitying lives; much less that any of you are capable of the mental and physical ability needed to perpetrate such a heinous caper. As to your questions, I'll simply say that there are MANY people who think very highly of HLA and its successes to allow its failure to be brought about by a few vicious and neglectful individuals.
Oh, really, you sheep with so many colors. Why don't you give us your name so we can add it to the list of counts... Federal Offense :culpability to defraud the insurance companies ie; Medical Insurance..
Note* Please read what Eliott Spitzer did to "his" school in NY as Att. General...lovely.
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If you HLA employees hate this Fornits site so much, why would you be out here posting?
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Actually, I run an insurance company and my family was SAVED by HLA.
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If you HLA employees hate this Fornits site so much, why would you be out here posting?
Because Fornits is effective, and they're hoping parents will "Believe what they SAY, not what they SEE", as someone else pointed out.
The 'fire', nor the lawsuit, are even topics of discussion on their own forum.
They think "we", the ex parents, students, staff have caused their current distressed situation. Don't they teach anything there about misdirected anger?
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That lesson plan was in the Science Lab or the Chapel. They must have overlooked it.
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Yeah, what ever happened to all that money in the "Chapel Fund" ??? :question:
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Who got so tired of hearing the words "Bans" "Restrictions" "Fall Out" "Clean Air" and 3 day, 4 day and 7 day and It's TIME to go to Ridgecreek? F that stuff! :flame:
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I only have one point to make about the comment about North Georgia....say what you want about the fire, but leave North Georgia homes out of it. I lived in Georgia for 25 years prior to moving to the state I live in now, and I never once lived in a mobile home, and 95% of the people I know that are still there never lived in a mobile home.
...Not that there's anything wrong with that... :)
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Sanna please shut your mouth.
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No Thanks Robert, I think I'll pass on that request :)
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How about another phone call? That sure shut you up the last time didnt it? When you were told emphatically you hadnt a clue as to what you were talking about and you were wrong about literally every statement you had made about hla. Speaking of which where is our apology?
Oh thats right youre too much of a coward to ever acknowledge you were wrong all along.
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What phone call Robert? I never received a phone call telling me to do or not do anything. I have no idea what you are talking about. You notice I am not cowering, I havent run away, I havent gone into hiding, and I havent stopped posting. I just choose to post on some things and not on others. Im also sometimes not home or too busy with life to get on here and post. Its my choice, not anybody elses but mine. Nobody owns me, tells me what to do, or tells me what to say. Sorry but thats your own fantasy of what you think is reality. Truth is, I post when I want, say what I want, and when I want to. Just because I choose not to post on some things does not make me a coward, its just my choice, its as simple as that.
Believe what you want, but I know what reality is in my own life, you don't.
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Whatever you say kitten. I know for a fact that you recieved a phone call telling you what we had been telling you all along. You neither then nor now have ever known anything about Hidden Lake Academy. Pretending otherwise just makes you look more foolish.
You claimed you werent posting anymore because you suddenly had no opinion on hla, despite having run your mouth incessantly for over a year. Its okay though Sanna, we know it was because of the phone call. You were silenced because you were afraid of what would happen if you didnt shut up. Thats why you got so quiet so quick and why you wont discuss the lawsuit or any other matter related to hla now.
You were told not to.
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Am I silent now? Am I under a court order? Did anybody tell me not to ever post here again? No to all of the above. If you were told there was a supposed phone call, you were lied to. I didnt sign any contract. I am not a HLA employee. I was not under any gag order, nor am I being told what to say or not say by anybody. I post on what I choose to post on. Some topics I dont know the answer to, some are too controversial for me to want to get in the middle of, some are a bunch of the same BS back and forth, and some I am not interested in. I only posted on here on this thread about the age of the bldg which I knew to be incorrect, and that I felt generalities about housing and people in general in North Georgia to be unfair to the folks who are from there or reside there because I happen to know what its like there and some on this board do not. This wasnt supposed to be a bashing of me thread or a fight with Robert thread. You took it in that direction. Please, get back to the topic at hand, which is the fire, cause, guilty parties if any, and the investigation into it. I am curious about that, but have no idea if it was arson, who did it if it was, or even begin to tell you any details about it, Im just curious like the rest of you. Please stop this ridiculous obsession you have with me, I am not trying to start it with you. I have the right to post here as much as you do, whether or not you agree with me. Please move on to another target and leave me out of your rants.
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SH---This is all he has. There is obviously nothing else of value to him in his existence. He has reached for you with his pathetic ire and threats. Ignore him. He'll soon go to his kitchen for another ice cream pop and forget all about you.
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So long as we can agree you neither now nor then have ever known anything about the true inner workings of HLA.
You had no clue what was really going on there.
Stay out of conversations of which you know nothing and everything will be just fine.
Now that that's settled let's get back to the things that matter.
Classes are set to resume Monday correct?
I guess we'll find out soon enough whether or not they're going to keep this train wreck going.
We should get a pool going.
Somebody set it up while I run and get another ice cream pop.
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I lost the damn pool, I thought this fucking thing would be toast before Christmas.
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Yes, I'll have to admit as well that as of May 31, 2007, I lost the pool also. My rationale for the school closing date was based on the end of the semester and not enough returning students to cover finances...instead they are keeping the price the same and significantly cutting the offerings. Why didn't I think of that???
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My goodness you guys are predictable! ::roflmao::
When someone challenges an anti-HLA perspective, the anti-HLA'ers get threatened and throw temper-tantrums. It's fascinating to hear people who claim having been abused are themselves verbally abusive to others. Rather than boring myself and others about the predictable patterns I've seen from the anti-HLA'ers, please look at this link below:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=255238#255238 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=255238#255238)
I'll try to keep this short since my posts tend to look like legal briefs (they bore me some times). Yawn is right RB!
Here are the reasons I don't think Dr. B torched or hired someone to burn the place:
1. Insurance companies don't automatically pay a claim. In fact, they are pretty good at spotting insurance fraud. Any sign of this would delay or prevent payment. It's too much of a risk to wind up having to pay for a new building, a lawyer to defend a case of insurance fraud, and the present attorneys. By the way, the comment about Dr. B skulking aroun in a cat suit was just a joke. It seems as though someone took it too seriously.
2. It's hard to believe an HLA-supporter would try to commit the stupid act of insurance fraud around the same time as graduation. It would be an embarrassment, which isn't needed at this time. I think this was done by an anti-HLA'er (one of the delightful people from Fornits?) who is trying to embarrass HLA and try to close the school since it's still operating.
3. If someone were ridiculously stupid enough to commit insurance fraud, they would torch a building that isn't connected to others to minimize the collateral damage. According to the satellite view, there is one down by the lake, one across from the burned Academic Building, the Cafeteria, or the Gym. This person probably wanted to torch the middle building with the hope of burning the other two buildings on each side and possibly the surrounding forest.
Maybe you just need some hugs. I'm sending out this e-hug with much luv to all of those peeps, to use a hip colloquialism. ((O)) (that's a pathetic looking hug, but still full of love for all of you. I'm not good at these emoticons)
(No anti-HLA'ers were harmed during the scribing of this post)
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Good to see you back Sybil. Hey did you get my question about whether or not you had seen anything going on that night? I only asked because you told us before that you like to wander around the campus in the dead of night.
As to your comments regarding the fire, I dont believe anyone on here has made a direct accusation against Len or any other hla puppet. People have however stated such a scenario wouldnt be difficult to imagine. You on the other hand are allegations that one of us was involved. This of course is baseless and makes no sense, nor does your claim have any sort of facts to back up. This however is predictable and expected. None of you lap dogs have ever been fond of facts, I cannot expect you to change now.
Per the comments you linked to, here was the response I offered.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=255238#255238 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=255238#255238)
Of course you were never quite able to handle responding to any of my questions, but if youve worked up the courage now feel free to get on it.
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Hello. I am a former employee of HLA (an administration member) and I recently left due to the dire financial situation HLA finds itself in and the inability it has shown in meeting expenses and payroll. I'm not "disgruntled". I was a long time supporter and still believe that if the place were run correctly it could have great beneficial effects. Sadly, this is not the case.
I am not going to get into back-and-forth arguing over semantics or anything, but I would like to interject some perspective into this conversation.
I have followed this website and the HLA threads for years. Is there hyperbole? Yes, on both sides. Have some people lied about things? Yes, on both sides.
That being said, I can tell you all that the vast majority (maybe 90%) of allegations leveled against HLA are in fact true. I'm not going to go over all of the details ad nauseum; suffice it to say that HLA has been caught "dirty" on nearly all of the issues that have been posted here.
The lawsuit has merit and is so stunningly accurate in regard to the financial schemes regarding HLA and Ridge Creek that it was without doubt created with incredibly closely-held information and actual records (financial and other) that were provided from some very key players at HLA. Some of the things posted here are verbatim from financial records, email exchanges and conversations of administrative staff in closed meetings of only a handful of people. I know because I was there and what has been posted here is what happened in those meetings.
As for "Function Junction," I'm not exactly sure who he is, but I have a really good idea. I'm not here to "out" anyone, so I won't be posting anyone's names, but FJ is an HLA employee.
What FJ says here is carefully crafted to shift the focus off of HLA's bad behavior and to a certain degree it has been successful.
However, regardless of where the focus lies, the allegations from former staff, students and parents are nonetheless almost entirely true, with a few minor exceptions that aren't very important to the core issues. I think that this validation is owed to those who have been wronged either financially or by the treatment they received at HLA. You will never get that from anyone still deeply involved with HLA and trying to protect their own income. Those of us that have departed, however, feel no such constriction and are free financially and ethically to tell the truth.
I wish you all the best and the best of luck in the future.
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This is obviously someone pretending to be a former HLA staff member. If you were in the big meetings then that would narrow you down to just a handful of people and if you just left, that would pin point who you are. This smells of a fake posting.
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I'll try to keep this short since my posts tend to look like legal briefs (they bore me some times). Yawn is right RB!
Here are the reasons I don't think Dr. B torched or hired someone to burn the place:
1. Insurance companies don't automatically pay a claim. In fact, they are pretty good at spotting insurance fraud. Any sign of this would delay or prevent payment. It's too much of a risk to wind up having to pay for a new building, a lawyer to defend a case of insurance fraud, and the present attorneys. By the way, the comment about Dr. B skulking aroun in a cat suit was just a joke. It seems as though someone took it too seriously.
2. It's hard to believe an HLA-supporter would try to commit the stupid act of insurance fraud around the same time as graduation. It would be an embarrassment, which isn't needed at this time. I think this was done by an anti-HLA'er (one of the delightful people from Fornits?) who is trying to embarrass HLA and try to close the school since it's still operating.
3. If someone were ridiculously stupid enough to commit insurance fraud, they would torch a building that isn't connected to others to minimize the collateral damage. According to the satellite view, there is one down by the lake, one across from the burned Academic Building, the Cafeteria, or the Gym. This person probably wanted to torch the middle building with the hope of burning the other two buildings on each side and possibly the surrounding forest.
Okay, moron. listen up. The building that burned was one of the oldest buildings on campus. AGAIN, I have been told that it is quite probable that it was not insured. If it was insured, then the insurance company would bring in their own investigators, which would not be good for HLA.
The building was not worth much in itself. The land is worth much more than the building...the value of the land still remains. The financial records, contracts have been reported to be lost in the fire, with a multi-million dollar new administrative building, what were all the records doing
with the mold in the old building? Surely, it wasn't so the administrators would have to take a walk everytime they needed a file. Get real.
No insurance, no private insurance investigators, no insurance money,
all financial records etc. lost( that allegedly were already shredded or put in the 50 gallon drum by the unsuspecting hourly employee). The owner is sad now, the victim of an unexplicable fire.
Ask yourself, is the land worth more than the school? Absolutely.
The owners arrogance (that found him in this mess in the first place)
larger than his ethical values? That is for the reader to decide. But,
one would think now, he would have wished his ethics were more important than lining his pockets.
Would his arrogance allow him to sell the school, close it?
The fire happened, either way. Whether one believes him to have
some culpability or believes him to have no culpability. The fire is
now convenient. The transference from the families as victims to
the owner.
One possible scenario:
Classes will be held in the gym or attempted to be held in the gym.
HLA can then say they did their best.
The entire property is sold for development of whatever. He pays his legal bills, goes off into his twilight years.
Yes, it is a ridiculous idea that someone at HLA would tourch the place the night before graduation.. that is an 'honest' response. but, honestly, reportedly,
HLA has been less than 'honest' over the years.
Regarding insurance, is [ HLA] that stupid? ah, arrogant. Most certainly.
Medical insurance: Signing off on all records, by Dr. B. for insurance
purposes. All children for insurance purposes are labeled ODD.. Ridiculous, yes.. Eliott Spitzer ,then the Attorney Genral for NY State, apparently thought so with a so -called TBS school in NY. the school lost.
Before one opens his /her mouth, like you do, one needs to understand, again,
that you have no clue what really has been transpiring at this school over the years. It is not just 'this' school'.
If the court case is not classed, it just means that the case does not meet the requirements in the Judges mind for classing it. It does not mean that
what occurred, was not reprehensible.
The discovery is still sealed, so you have no iota of facts to back up your outrageous statements. You are a disgrace with flagrant disregard for the children that were hurt under HLA's watch. When you wipe their parents tears or feel an ounce of compassion for what some of the families have been through, then maybe you would find an ouce of humility in your soul.
Then, again, The "H" in HLA does notseemingly stand for humility, but the "A" stands might stand for "arrogance". You are the perfect fit for HLA.
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Hello. I am a former employee of HLA (an administration member) and I recently left due to the dire financial situation HLA finds itself in and the inability it has shown in meeting expenses and payroll. I'm not "disgruntled". I was a long time supporter and still believe that if the place were run correctly it could have great beneficial effects. Sadly, this is not the case.
I am not going to get into back-and-forth arguing over semantics or anything, but I would like to interject some perspective into this conversation.
I have followed this website and the HLA threads for years. Is there hyperbole? Yes, on both sides. Have some people lied about things? Yes, on both sides.
That being said, I can tell you all that the vast majority (maybe 90%) of allegations leveled against HLA are in fact true. I'm not going to go over all of the details ad nauseum; suffice it to say that HLA has been caught "dirty" on nearly all of the issues that have been posted here.
The lawsuit has merit and is so stunningly accurate in regard to the financial schemes regarding HLA and Ridge Creek that it was without doubt created with incredibly closely-held information and actual records (financial and other) that were provided from some very key players at HLA. Some of the things posted here are verbatim from financial records, email exchanges and conversations of administrative staff in closed meetings of only a handful of people. I know because I was there and what has been posted here is what happened in those meetings.
As for "Function Junction," I'm not exactly sure who he is, but I have a really good idea. I'm not here to "out" anyone, so I won't be posting anyone's names, but FJ is an HLA employee.
What FJ says here is carefully crafted to shift the focus off of HLA's bad behavior and to a certain degree it has been successful.
However, regardless of where the focus lies, the allegations from former staff, students and parents are nonetheless almost entirely true, with a few minor exceptions that aren't very important to the core issues. I think that this validation is owed to those who have been wronged either financially or by the treatment they received at HLA. You will never get that from anyone still deeply involved with HLA and trying to protect their own income. Those of us that have departed, however, feel no such constriction and are free financially and ethically to tell the truth.
I wish you all the best and the best of luck in the future.
And, truly wish us all the best, then PM either Deborah, Juniper2, Dysfunction Junction or Robert Bruce. Contact Judge O'kelley, the attorneys... thank you.
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Of course this person will not report anything because they are a fake.
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Of course this person will not report anything because they are a fake.
Speaking of "fakes": Function Junction is an HLA employee, yet claims not to be. Function Junction posts as numerous people, including the so-called "insurance company owner" :roll:
Let's examine the facts here. HLA employees are desperate. Their jobs are going away. They're not qualified to work at a "real" school or a "real" treatment center and they're MAD AS HELL about it.
But why are they mad at Fornits? Because what is said here is TRUE and has been abundantly proven by state investigations into HLA, the lawsuit and testimony of people all the way up to the top of HLA's management. We have their financials. We have their emails. We have their affadavits. We have their NUMBER. None of this would be upsetting if it weren't true.
You all should be mad at yourselves for participating in the fraud and abuse. You all should be mad at Len for leading you around by the nose and subsequently bloodying it when you complain. I thought HLA taught introspection and accountability. I suppose it does not. How could someone with no morals, ethics or ability to introspect or take responsibility teach someone else to do the same?
The bottom line is that those of you that are here (it's only one or two of you posing as different posters) are a bunch of wretches on the wrong side of the facts and it burns you to be held to account for it.
Most of all, FJ embodies the modus operandi of HLA: shift the focus, place the blame and lie, lie, lie. This is how FJ treated the kids there, so why not do it here?
Parents who are reading this forum, even if they don't believe a word of the already proven allegations of fraud and abuse, can clearly tell that people like FJ, dripping with arrogance, disdain and hate should never be allowed around children, much less "treat" them.
At the end of the day, FJ is just lashing out because his career is finished and he isn't qualified to do anything else except manual labor or working the checkout at the grocery. THAT's where the venom comes from. THAT's where the hate comes from. THAT's where the vitriol comes from. It all comes from SELF-PITY.
FJ, face the facts, boy. IT'S ALL OVER BUT FOR THE CRYING.
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Well, unless the Kitchen/Dining hall, old metal admin bldg, old pool house by lake, old house on road leading in, and duplex next to old house are all gone, the bldg that burned is not one of the oldest bldgs on campus. It was built in 1995 or early 1996 from my recollection. Thats less than the age of the house I live in right now, and its considered "newer" construction according to the appraisal I had done last year. Now, compared to the dorms, it is one of the older dorms, but it is definately not one of the oldest bldgs on campus. It was started at least a year after the school opened. I really would have expected the kitchen or old admin bldg to burn instead of the one that did burn. Those were pretty old. And the house I lived in next to the duplex was probably a good 30 yrs old at the time I lived there so its definately one of the oldest ones. I think the duplex and the bldg that burned were built the same year. Also, there were a bunch of old bldgs that were torn down to make room for newer ones, such as the old dorm and house where the boys dorm is now, and the small wooden house my inlaws used to live in that I think must have been torn down to make room for the new wing from what I can tell in the pictures. I am curious as to the cause of the fire since that bldg wasnt one of the older ones so wiring should have been to newer code etc. but you never know, I had a friend whos house burned to the ground from a squirrel chewing on wires in the attic.
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This fire was most likely caused directly or indirectly by Len.
He's not a squirrel, but he likes nuts in his mouth as much as they do!
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This fire was most likely caused directly or indirectly by Len.
He's not a squirrel, but he likes nuts in his mouth as much as they do!
touche'..that was GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!
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Well, unless the Kitchen/Dining hall, old metal admin bldg, old pool house by lake, old house on road leading in, and duplex next to old house are all gone, the bldg that burned is not one of the oldest bldgs on campus. It was built in 1995 or early 1996 from my recollection. Thats less than the age of the house I live in right now, and its considered "newer" construction according to the appraisal I had done last year. Now, compared to the dorms, it is one of the older dorms, but it is definately not one of the oldest bldgs on campus. It was started at least a year after the school opened. I really would have expected the kitchen or old admin bldg to burn instead of the one that did burn. Those were pretty old. And the house I lived in next to the duplex was probably a good 30 yrs old at the time I lived there so its definately one of the oldest ones. I think the duplex and the bldg that burned were built the same year. Also, there were a bunch of old bldgs that were torn down to make room for newer ones, such as the old dorm and house where the boys dorm is now, and the small wooden house my inlaws used to live in that I think must have been torn down to make room for the new wing from what I can tell in the pictures. I am curious as to the cause of the fire since that bldg wasnt one of the older ones so wiring should have been to newer code etc. but you never know, I had a friend whos house burned to the ground from a squirrel chewing on wires in the attic.
I am curious as to the cause of the fire since that bldg wasnt one of the older ones so wiring should have been to newer code etc. but you never know, I had a friend whos house burned to the ground from a squirrel chewing on wires in the attic.[/quote]
NOW, SSH, ACCORDING TOO ADMINISRTATIVE STAFF, SEVERAL, IT WAS ONE OF THE OLD BUILDINGS,K?
AND, HONESTLY, I JUST CANNOT ENVISION MR. BUCCELLATO RUNNING THROUGH AN ATTIC LOOKING TO STEAL A SQUIRRELS' NUTS..
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First off, let me say I'm not sure exactly what has been said throughout the entire thread of conversation, because, honestly, I don't have the energy to read it all, but I'll tell you what happened from a current student's perspective. There is no way I can convince you I am not lying about who I am, what I saw, or what they told us what happened as opposed to what you may have heard or read, but I know that I am an eye-witness and that counts for something.
We were woken up around around 2:30 on Thursday morning by one of the night security. He came into the north-side entrance door yelling to get up, get out of bed, and get dressed because there was a fire. Now, not a week and a half previously, the fire alarm went off in the girl's dorm. It was nothing major; it went off by accident because it had not been reset when it was checked that day. So, of course, we thought maybe it was our dorm. Then we found out that it was the Academic building.
We were all converged in the common room; they had just double-checked each room to make sure that no one was forgotten. Most of us only had on pjs and flip-flops. We were told that no matter what we saw, we were to walk quickly up to the gym, keep on the far side of the road and not to interfere with what the firefighters were doing. So that's what we did.
Our dorm is the furthest one from the Academic building, and subsequently, we were woken up last because we were not in immediate danger. The first dorm is right across from the Academic building, so they were woken up immediately and escorted to the gym as soon as possible. The next dorm, the one between the first and ours, the last, is empty and has been for some time. Understand that if it had been safer for us to stay in the dorm they would have kept us there, but it wasn't. The fire, by the time we were passing it, had consumed the entire building and the flames were taller than the new Admin building (about three stories) which had been added on right next to it. Luckily, because there is a brick wall between the Academic building and foyer that leads to the new Admin, the fire did not spread. If it had, however, they were worried that if the new Admin had caught, that it would spread to the trees next to it, catch across the street to the first dorm and then move on down through the other two. Since the trees and buildings all share close quarters, it was a very valid concern. We were moved up the gym because it is the only building that can be safely said is fire proof as it is almost completely made of cement and brick.
Despite the chaos, everyone behaved themselves. There was no arguing, fighting, or anything of the like, only a couple snippits when water bottles were brought to us. I think everyone was in shock because most of our time during the week was spent in there. One of the staff let us know how grateful he was by our good behavior, because he lived right down the hill from the burning building, and not having to stress out over us acting out so he could take care of his family was a blessing to him. It was about 5 or so before they released us back to the dorms, and by then the Academic building had collapsed and was just a burning pit. There was no damage to the old Admin building, which is on the other side of the Academic, only to the awning between them, which looks funny having one half of it gone or burned while the other half is in tact.
They kept all of the girls down by the lake front all the next day, and all of the boys down at the playing field. All of the staff were called in, but no one caused any real trouble. We found out that they might never find out the source of the fire, but they suspect from what they saw that it was started in one of the offices nearer to the old Admin, and it was probably from an electrical shortage. The only thing that saved the old Admin from not being burned was the wind blowing the fire away from it.
Temporary water measures were taken because the fire department used the water from our water tank to contain the fire, and when that ran out, they pumped the lake to put it out. At first, they said the school would not have a stable water supply for a week, because one of the water pipes needed repair. When I was there last, the tank had refilled but everyone was advised to take short showers. The phone lines went down, so the counselors called the parents by their cellphones. By the time I left for this break about 25 temporary lines had been set up so kids could call their parents themselves. And since our server is destroyed, there is no internet access for anyone.
Night security for the rest of the week took shifts patrolling around the remains as the ashes flared up a couple of times. Other than that, the Academic building is completely gone. It is now a pit of charred wood and metal; the metal being the door and window frames from the downstairs floor, which are still standing (albeit crookedly). The server was held in the Academic building; from what I saw it crashed down from the first floor when the building collapsed and melted. The hard copies of our transcripts and records burned. But what will be missed most are the pictures and crests of each peer group that lined the halls, of people who were at HLA and left, and some people in those pictures have died since leaving. For most of the oldest peer groups, those were the only copies of those pictures left. I, personally, drew the crest for my peer group when we first formed. And because our server is gone, I lost all of my personal documents and photos, one of which being the photo that went above my peer group's crest, and so did every other student, and there is probably no back-up for them.
All in all, I think that the situation was handled very well, despite any problems HLA may have. Life will move on, just like it always does. Classes are probably going to be held in the Lodge, the Library (which survived), the gym, and down at lake front.
So quit your whining, yammering, and complaining about a place you do not have to live at, because the students there complain enough as it is to compensate for all of you.
And stop bashing Len. The staff at HLA are doing the best they can with what they have, and right now, that's not much. Unless you have met the man personally, attacks on him on the internet are worse than pathetic, they are cowardly. I may not like Len, or most of the staff, or the HLA establishment as a whole, but if I do have a problem I do not slink around in the shadows and make fun of them behind their backs, I voice them to the staff directly. So unless you can say half of what you wrote here to his face, or have it passed along by the proper authorities to be said to his face, I advise you to keep your opinions to yourself. It doesn't matter what you say online about them unless you personally interact with each of them; because chances are they're not going to read it, and they're not going to care what you say if they do.
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That had to be the most blatantly fake post I've ever had the misfortune of reading.
Do we need to get the fictional characters back in here as a lesson of what happens when you try to mix fantasy and reality without having a fucking clue what you're doing?
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That had to be the most blatantly fake post I've ever had the misfortune of reading.
Do we need to get the fictional characters back in here as a lesson of what happens when you try to mix fantasy and reality without having a fucking clue what you're doing?
True. That "student" was none other than "Function Junction". Same writing style, same vocabulary, same use of punctuation, same computer. You're pathetic, Function Junction.
Parents, if everything were fine at HLA, why would Function Junction need to pose as a "current student"? This is the type of person you have entrusted your child to: blatant prevaricators. They tell any lie they believe necessary to preserve their status.
They lie to the kids, the parents, regulating agencies, fire marshalls and even the police (as has been previously proven by false charges filed against an HLA employee who refused Len's homosexual advances and a sexual assault on a student who was penetrated by a tree limb and so badly injured that she required hospitalization).
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Well all the admins have to do is trace the IP, which, I assume has already been done. However, I will have to agree that this post seems fake. It sounds like it was someone who was there during the events, but, no 15-17 yr old kid types that way. As a matter of fact, I have been appalled at the lack of spelling and grammar these kids have these days (here on this board and in real life with the teens I know) . I dont know if its due to them just being lazy because its just a message board or the kids myspace pages (the ones I know personally have myspace pages), or if its truly a lack of proper education in the schools. All I know is that if I typed that poorly when I was a teen in my school I definately would have flunked English and writing classes. Maybe they think its cool to misspell every other word they type. (Not all kids do that, to be fair, but a vast majority do). My son is in 5th grade and his teacher is letting him type reports in word on our computer. They dont even teach cursive handwriting anymore! Whats the world coming to? I dont really like the way its going to tell you the truth. Im teaching him penmanship myself at home since they wont do it at school.
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An HLA Puppet wrote:
Now, not a week and a half previously, the fire alarm went off in the girl's dorm. It was nothing major; it went off by accident because it had not been reset when it was checked that day.
Seriously Sybil, you other lap dogs, you arent even trying at this point.
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Parents: Isn't it disturbing to you that a CURRENT staff member is on this site posting as a former parent, a current student, owner of an insurance agency, and posting as multiple persons by answering his own posts? Is this the type of people you want to entrust the well-being of your child? Of course it isn't! Why do you think WE are on Fornits exposing the truth so that no other parent or child has to go through what we all went through.
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being a former staff 97-98 i will say they know what they are talking building wise it does have all of the crests in there and i am sorry my former peer group's crest was burned they were proud of it.
ps i left becaus ei could not stand what len was doing to the staff and the kids so i mostly agree with what you do here
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I dont even remember what ours was. I doubt most former students would care all that much. The bigger loss is our records proving many of our claims to be true.
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Yeah, me and another PG member drew our crest, and I could give a shit less if it burned.
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Sybil you may lie about it if you choose, but we have already verified that the numerous postings are all coming from the same ip address, yours. Of course you know this, but are unwilling to acknowledge it. Tell me real quick what does the Christian faith you claim to adhere to tell you about liars?
You refer to us as cursing and maligning you for asking questiions, yet all your questions have been answered. You on the other hand have answered almost none of the questions put to you, under any of your screen names. This is of course why people believe us over you, and you may be soon out of a job.
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If the person who posted as former HLA administation staff can post here and really is admitting to HLA's wrongdoing, they need to tell it to the attorney's at Berger Montague. If you really care about the wrongdoing that is being allowed to take place at HLA, contact the lawyers NOW!! The families of the children at HLA really need you to tell the truth to the people who are trying to help us!
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Hello. I am a former employee of HLA (an administration member) and I recently left due to the dire financial situation HLA finds itself in and the inability it has shown in meeting expenses and payroll. I'm not "disgruntled". I was a long time supporter and still believe that if the place were run correctly it could have great beneficial effects. Sadly, this is not the case.
I am not going to get into back-and-forth arguing over semantics or anything, but I would like to interject some perspective into this conversation.
I have followed this website and the HLA threads for years. Is there hyperbole? Yes, on both sides. Have some people lied about things? Yes, on both sides.
That being said, I can tell you all that the vast majority (maybe 90%) of allegations leveled against HLA are in fact true. I'm not going to go over all of the details ad nauseum; suffice it to say that HLA has been caught "dirty" on nearly all of the issues that have been posted here.
The lawsuit has merit and is so stunningly accurate in regard to the financial schemes regarding HLA and Ridge Creek that it was without doubt created with incredibly closely-held information and actual records (financial and other) that were provided from some very key players at HLA. Some of the things posted here are verbatim from financial records, email exchanges and conversations of administrative staff in closed meetings of only a handful of people. I know because I was there and what has been posted here is what happened in those meetings.
As for "Function Junction," I'm not exactly sure who he is, but I have a really good idea. I'm not here to "out" anyone, so I won't be posting anyone's names, but FJ is an HLA employee.
What FJ says here is carefully crafted to shift the focus off of HLA's bad behavior and to a certain degree it has been successful.
However, regardless of where the focus lies, the allegations from former staff, students and parents are nonetheless almost entirely true, with a few minor exceptions that aren't very important to the core issues. I think that this validation is owed to those who have been wronged either financially or by the treatment they received at HLA. You will never get that from anyone still deeply involved with HLA and trying to protect their own income. Those of us that have departed, however, feel no such constriction and are free financially and ethically to tell the truth.
I wish you all the best and the best of luck in the future.
* This person is well read, possibly a PHD, no defintely a PHD, has a flowing use of the English language, and by their writing style, choice of language, is in
their 60's.
Dear PHD,
If you can, may I suggest you call one of your 'old' colleagues. They
will help you make that call to Berger and Montague or please PM
Juniper2 or Deborah. At this point in time, it is far better to be on the
side of the law, for it is not just the 'class' suit anymore. Kathy Cox has
had the entire script, thus the Attorney General for the good State of Georgia.
Also, FOX NEWS 5. It is just a matter of time.
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Here's a theory as to why would the place get burned down: HLA is on a 210 acre parcel of land that has a lake and backs to National Forest. This is a developer's dream piece of land. Even if he only go $50K per acre (very conservative estimate), that's still $10.5M just for the land. Not an accusation; just a theory.
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Oh, and let the insurance run out so you don't have to pay back the bank....
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JOHN-BOY - YOU ARE SUCH A DISAPPOINTMENT...YOUR OLD COLLEAGUES ALWAYS FELT THAT THEY HOPED YOU WOULD LEAVE.
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actually, an acre of land in dahlonega averages between $17,500 and $25,000 per acre and even with the lake would not go for an average of $50k/acre...
lakes in georgia are all man made as the glaciers did not come down this far.
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Well of course. Do you know how much shit is on the bottom of that lake? There is a bobcat down there. You can see it when the water levels get low.
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Hello. I am a former employee of HLA (an administration member) and I recently left due to the dire financial situation HLA finds itself in and the inability it has shown in meeting expenses and payroll. I'm not "disgruntled". I was a long time supporter and still believe that if the place were run correctly it could have great beneficial effects. Sadly, this is not the case.
.etc. etc.
i think this guy is charles cates.
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Yes, I agree that letter is by Cates.
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Yes, I agree that letter is by Cates.
It would have been a gift to Charles himself, but , unfortunately it is not
Charles Cates. He has retreated. He has to live with himself now, knowing
what he knows and he is tired. The letters he wrote were one thing.
However, during that assembly, he stood there before the entire
school and said(to paraphrase) that the young girl that was raped with the tree limb, did it to herself. He did what was asked and we all know by who. He has no backbone,
and clearly his so called "Christian" ethics are in tatters. John Mcmillon , Jeff Holloway,Joe Stapp and the lot of them stood by and did nothing either. Was there a call to report this to ORS? Or does the reader agree that instead Quirk and Quirk would be the first call? The only problem is that Marty Quirk cannot cleanse their souls.
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So is this some sort of attempt at pennance from him then?
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So is this some sort of attempt at pennance from him then?
It woud have been, if it had been him, but it is not Charles
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Oh, and let the insurance run out so you don't have to pay back the bank....
Or let the insurance run out, have the bank pick up the policy, and then burn the place down so the bank is the direct payee and there's no mortgage to pay back because the insurance company pays the bank directly. Actually pretty shrewd and clever.
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If there isn't insurance on that building, what else isn't insured? Is there in insurance in the event a child is seriously harmed or injured?
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If there isn't insurance on that building, what else isn't insured? Is there in insurance in the event a child is seriously harmed or injured?
Parents should inquire and ask to see an active insurance policy in
place before enrolling their child in any program. It is no different
than what is asked of a day care, private school, parochial, whatever.
When one has improvements done at their home, many ask for their insurance binders. Thus, it would make sense, to ask, as children are
life, thus far more special. It certainly wouldn't hurt and it would be wise
to ask.
Also, now that the indemnification clause is gone in the family contracts,
there is no question that insurance is a necessity. God forbid 'that'
fire had spread to those dorms.
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Also ask what the cap on the insurance policy. Is there adequate insurance to cover all of the students who are currently enrolled?
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Ok assume that there is no insurance on the building....if that was true, why would someone intentionally set a fire? If there was not going to be a pay out, what would the motive be? It kind of takes the "fire" out of the arson theory in my opinion. So, if that's true, then what would the motive be? And if arson, who did it? It just opens up other questions if there was no insurance on the building.
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So, if that's true, then what would the motive be?
Document destruction.
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Ok assume that there is no insurance on the building....if that was true, why would someone intentionally set a fire? If there was not going to be a pay out, what would the motive be? It kind of takes the "fire" out of the arson theory in my opinion. So, if that's true, then what would the motive be? And if arson, who did it? It just opens up other questions if there was no insurance on the building.
As stated previously: "Or let the insurance run out, have the bank pick up the policy, and then burn the place down so the bank is the direct payee and there's no mortgage to pay back because the insurance company pays the bank directly. Actually pretty shrewd and clever."
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Also ask what the cap on the insurance policy. Is there adequate insurance to cover all of the students who are currently enrolled?
No, unfortunately, according to sources, there is no insurance period, on anything or anyone that attends there. It would be prudent if enrolling
at HLA or anywhere, to ask for copies of their current insurance policies.
Do not let it end there, before enrolling call insurance company to confirm.
Forms are easily gotten off the net or at Office Max or Office Depot.
I had this happen with a contractor, and much to my shock, the policies were fakes. I have since learned to do some checking. It only takes a phone call.
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Ok assume that there is no insurance on the building....if that was true, why would someone intentionally set a fire? If there was not going to be a pay out, what would the motive be? It kind of takes the "fire" out of the arson theory in my opinion. So, if that's true, then what would the motive be? And if arson, who did it? It just opens up other questions if there was no insurance on the building.
One theory, to make it easy...Scenario #1 Possibility
2nd mortagage or loan taken out on building, using building as collateral. Cash is given.
No insurance by owner, bank pays insurance premiums on mortagage.
Fire: Bank holds insurance policy on monies loaned. Bank gets their money back from insurance company. Owner already was given the cash,
before fire. Everyone wins, as long as the insurance company for the bank does not do it's own investigation..and if they do, there is nothing to find. According to the paper, in approximately 15 minutes from call, when the fire company arrived, 90% of the building was gone, brick, too.
All the children and staff said there were no sounds of alarms going off.
So, could it have been an accidental fire? Yes. Could it have been arson?
Yes. Will they ever know? That is a good question, but as of right now, it is still "undetermined".
Again, this is just one theory, there are others I am sure. Remember SH,
it is the property that is worth the money, 210 or so acres, a developers dream!
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Well, I do know around what the going rate is for acreage in Lumpkin Co....and it is worth quite a bit of money, however, to make that property a subdivision, you would have to tear down a bunch of buildings....its not that easy of a property to develop...however, another school or possibly summer camp would work there. And it would sit on the market for probably a long time before being sold if thats what he wants to do with it. It was for sale for a very long time before Len bought it. Now, you mentioned that building being brick. I remember it being mainly vinyl siding, with brick trim. I think it was mainly wood frame construction, with brick just being the trim and the vinyl being the main exterior.
I see what youre saying about the insurance scenario..but it still seems to be a big long convoluted way around just to get rid of a building or some documentation.
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You are right about the brick on the building. There was very little.
The most likely scenerio in my opinion for the sale of the school would be for another TBS system to come in and take over.
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A golf course community with all amenities.
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Well, I do know around what the going rate is for acreage in Lumpkin Co....and it is worth quite a bit of money, however, to make that property a subdivision, you would have to tear down a bunch of buildings....its not that easy of a property to develop...however, another school or possibly summer camp would work there. And it would sit on the market for probably a long time before being sold if thats what he wants to do with it. It was for sale for a very long time before Len bought it. Now, you mentioned that building being brick. I remember it being mainly vinyl siding, with brick trim. I think it was mainly wood frame construction, with brick just being the trim and the vinyl being the main exterior.
I see what youre saying about the insurance scenario..but it still seems to be a big long convoluted way around just to get rid of a building or some documentation.
Land is far too expensive to buy for a summer camp or another school.
It would not be financially feasible. It would have to be bought by a developer.
It is not that confusing, it is done all the time.
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Yes I know it's done all the time, I am in the mortgage business. However, developers don't like to have to deal with all those buildings that are already in place. They prefer "raw land". I am sure it could be done, but the expense of tearing down buildings would outweigh the advantage I would think, when there are other large raw land tracts in the area. My cousin's husband who is a developer was interested in a piece of land next to where Mountain Brook was going to go in, in Lumpkin County, but decided to buy near me in this state instead. That piece had been for sale for I believe over a year. If Len puts that land on the market, it will sit for awhile.
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Did anyone get the final report?