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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Synanon => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 10:17:00 PM
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I think this is where they are hanging out.
1420 of them
but it looks like it would be pretty much impossible to log onto their site.
http://www.synanon.org (http://www.synanon.org)
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If anyone here was in Oakland Synanon in 1972, we need your help. A girl named Rose Cole, 15, was sent to Synanon by the Flint MI juvenile courts in early 1972. Her family never saw her again. She worked in the kitchen. Her family received letters saying she ran away from Synanon. She sent letters & postcards, the last saying she was in SF and she wouldnt be contacting them anymore for fear of Synanon finding her.
Please visit this site to view pics and copies of her letters.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showth ... ost1066634 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1066634#post1066634)
(THAT IS A THREAD FROM WEBSLEUTHS.COM - THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION/LINKS ABOUT ROSE THERE.
OR EMAIL HER FAMILY AT:
[email protected]
ANY INFO WOULD BE APPRECIATED AND KEPT CONFIDENTIAL.
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Yes, that is where we are "hanging out". Some are reliving their fond memories and getting reacquainted, while others (me) are trying to figure out what the hell happened to us (I was a kid), why it happened, and dealing with the trauma with those who experienced the same abuse, at the same time at the same place. I appreciate that it is not open to the public, I don't need or want the whole world knowing the hell I lived in and how it could have f*cked up my entire life if I let it.
It's kind of like support groups, you shouldn't join if you didn't have the same experience ex: rape counseling, battered wife syndrome, alcoholism.etc.... There might even be a ton of support groups for kids who have survived all the different schools and camps and even then you would find that those who went to the same school would congregate towards each other. The Synanon site is no exception. It's the umbrella and we all have our different ways within it.
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If anyone here was in Oakland Synanon in 1972, we need your help. A girl named Rose Cole, 15, was sent to Synanon by the Flint MI juvenile courts in early 1972. Her family never saw her again. She worked in the kitchen. Her family received letters saying she ran away from Synanon. She sent letters & postcards, the last saying she was in SF and she wouldnt be contacting them anymore for fear of Synanon finding her.
Please visit this site to view pics and copies of her letters.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showth ... ost1066634 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1066634#post1066634)
(THAT IS A THREAD FROM WEBSLEUTHS.COM - THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION/LINKS ABOUT ROSE THERE.
OR EMAIL HER FAMILY AT:
[email protected]
ANY INFO WOULD BE APPRECIATED AND KEPT CONFIDENTIAL.
Thanks for the info. Sad story. Hopefully she'll find this thread or another and get in contact.
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Rosa Lena Cole is mentioned at the Charley project created to find missing people as you can see on our victims datasheet regarding the 1970's (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Victims_-_1970s).
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In 1975, I was sent to Synanon, Santa Monica when I was 11 years old. I was not a troubled child, drug addict or afflicted in any way mentally. My mother was seduced by one of the Synanon fundraisers, "Rona", who convinced her that they had a "great summer program for kids." My mom shipped me off to Synanon from Chicago (probably so she could spend more time with her latest husband) for 8 weeks. She knew NOTHING about the organization. Strictly took Rona's word for it. I begged her with collect calls about 3 times a week to let me come home. I was subjected to "Games", incredible hard labor and verbal/mental abuse by my "dorm mother." I moved to Santa Monica about 5 years ago and must have almost completely blocked out my experience until I was walking past the Casa Del Mar one afternoon and my husband saw me go completely white. I asked, "What is that building?" When he told me it used to be the Synanon headquarters, I collapsed on the sand and everything came rushing back. The worst part is that for all these years/decades, I have had no one else to talk to. It is like the worst acid trip or night terror -- you experience it, but you can't relate it to anyone. I came back to Chicago a very different child then when I'd left. No one understood why the sweet, malleable, good student was replaced with an almost demonically mature girl who could make anyone cry with just words. I'd learned quite a lot in those games. My deepest hurt is that my mother will not accept her mistake in sending me there. Cannot accept that she just flat out failed as a mother to protect her child. She put her delusions and interests ahead of everyone. When I tell her that I want to learn more about her thought process in sending her 11 year old daughter across the country to some unknown "camp", she just says, "You never remember all the good things I've done for you." I wish I could just talk to someone about what it was like to be there as a child. As a child with no one to look after me, or comfort me. It was war. I was enlisted for hard labor in Tomales Bay for Dederich's wedding. I was tormented by every adult female to shave my head. The best memory is of the Vietnam Vet who lived in the hallway on the 2nd floor of the main building. He was too freaked out to stay in a room, so he camped in the hallways. He taught me to play chess and on my last day there, he let me win. I don't even know how I was let go. I know there were kids there that couldn't get out. There were 3 or 4 boys there who were really tough and they made themselves my older brothers. They taught me to swear, to dance, to fight, to fight back. I would've died there without them. I'm over-all an incredibly lucky person. I have lived an amazing, full life. Still, I have a lot of pain caused by my mother's actions and in-actions. My experience at Synanon is still a bit beyond my comprehension, but I'm hoping to find some sort of closure or at least commiseration. Maybe here? Thanks for reading...
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In 1975, I was sent to Synanon, Santa Monica when I was 11 years old. I was not a troubled child, drug addict or afflicted in any way mentally. My mother was seduced by one of the Synanon fundraisers, "Rona", who convinced her that they had a "great summer program for kids." My mom shipped me off to Synanon from Chicago (probably so she could spend more time with her latest husband) for 8 weeks. She knew NOTHING about the organization. Strictly took Rona's word for it. I begged her with collect calls about 3 times a week to let me come home. I was subjected to "Games", incredible hard labor and verbal/mental abuse by my "dorm mother." I moved to Santa Monica about 5 years ago and must have almost completely blocked out my experience until I was walking past the Casa Del Mar one afternoon and my husband saw me go completely white. I asked, "What is that building?" When he told me it used to be the Synanon headquarters, I collapsed on the sand and everything came rushing back. The worst part is that for all these years/decades, I have had no one else to talk to. It is like the worst acid trip or night terror -- you experience it, but you can't relate it to anyone. I came back to Chicago a very different child then when I'd left. No one understood why the sweet, malleable, good student was replaced with an almost demonically mature girl who could make anyone cry with just words. I'd learned quite a lot in those games. My deepest hurt is that my mother will not accept her mistake in sending me there. Cannot accept that she just flat out failed as a mother to protect her child. She put her delusions and interests ahead of everyone. When I tell her that I want to learn more about her thought process in sending her 11 year old daughter across the country to some unknown "camp", she just says, "You never remember all the good things I've done for you." I wish I could just talk to someone about what it was like to be there as a child. As a child with no one to look after me, or comfort me. It was war. I was enlisted for hard labor in Tomales Bay for Dederich's wedding. I was tormented by every adult female to shave my head. The best memory is of the Vietnam Vet who lived in the hallway on the 2nd floor of the main building. He was too freaked out to stay in a room, so he camped in the hallways. He taught me to play chess and on my last day there, he let me win. I don't even know how I was let go. I know there were kids there that couldn't get out. There were 3 or 4 boys there who were really tough and they made themselves my older brothers. They taught me to swear, to dance, to fight, to fight back. I would've died there without them. I'm over-all an incredibly lucky person. I have lived an amazing, full life. Still, I have a lot of pain caused by my mother's actions and in-actions. My experience at Synanon is still a bit beyond my comprehension, but I'm hoping to find some sort of closure or at least commiseration. Maybe here? Thanks for reading...
Wow. What a story. Eleven years old is soooo young to be put through this kind of experience!
We don't get many folk from Synanon here, in part due to the fact that they have their own site (see link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=14635&p=408829#p183813) above), and possibly also due to the experience inculcating a certain insularity in individuals, e.g., "we vs. them"; outsiders presumably cannot understand... The Synanon site being closed to the public also doesn't help matters much. No one gets to really learn many details of what people actually went through. (Plus, the site is managed by someone ostensibly, for the most part, pro-Synanon.)
However, fornits *IS* very much focused on similar (not same) such programs, most of which involve group peer pressure methodologies utilized to bring about change in individuals. Often at the expense of the individual. And frequently involving trauma that has a way of lingering...
Some of the programs on here actually evolved specifically from Synanon. If ya stay a while and read a bit, you might even get triggered by some of the practices, specific rites, etc. that bear eerily close resemblance to their origins. Or not so close, but still recognizable.
I am curious: how did your mom "ship you?" Did she employ a transport person, e.g., someone affiliated with or employed by Synanon? Do you remember this person's name?
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Dear evaderci,
Very sorry to hear you were subjected to this abuse. No one, especially a child, should have to endure this.
I am concerned that if you are in the process of remembering and revisiting this part of your past that you have a good support system around you--people who will listen and can help you understand all this, be there if you are having nightmares or flashbacks, or other symptoms other survivors have reported. You will find support here, but it's not quite the same. This can be a very difficult time, so take care.
Good luck,
Auntie Em
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A compelling story indeed.Tell me, you just happen to move to Santa Monica, And you didn't remember that's where synanon was? Why would you go back there?
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A compelling story indeed.Tell me, you just happen to move to Santa Monica, And you didn't remember that's where synanon was? Why would you go back there?
I can't really speak for evaderci, but I imagine when you are eleven years old, you might not remember the specific name of the town/city in which your institution of torment was located, quite as well as you might when even a few years older... However, she sure remembered the actual physical place alright. She went "completely white," and then "collapsed on the sand" when her husband told her it used to be Synanon.
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Tell me anyone, if you can't remember where you lived when you were 11?
It's not like being in the womb. Where did you go to the 6th grade? Some coincidence to move back to the same town decades later.
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I was in Daytop, Daytona, Days Inn, Synanon, Cinnabon and Cincinnati. Then I turned 12 and was sent to prison, served three years in the Army, and came out in time to get sent to Elan
Then at 13 I started a million man construction company and spend all my time relaxing on the internet :nods:
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None-ya: Let me be more specific... I remember being at Synanon and that it was in California. As I grew up, I realized it was located specifically in Santa Monica. I moved to Southern California from the East coast as an adult over 30 years later. I did not remember the EXACT building that is now the Casa Del Mar, until it was brought to my attention. What is your question's point of WHY did I move back to Southern California? Did you read my initial post? I'm seeking some closure about my experience, not an interrogation as to why I moved my residence. Are you questioning the validity of an experience (mine) that you did not have? Or did you? If you can't offer anything further, why don't you just move on?
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None Ya is our resident online bully and troll. He or she thinks he or she is some kind of program sage
She is a welfare bum who trolls survivors and has a fixation on me.
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Danny B: Fist-bump on that one.
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^^ :feedtrolls:
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Fuck off Wayne
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I'm not Felice, you're Wayne
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Fuck off Matt
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Danny, stop stealing my avatar
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Yeah, that's pretty low even for you Danny
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Wait until we expose your ass for the James Frey you are Wayne. You are a sick homosexual perverted pimp who rapes and is a racist and a liar.We now have enough evidence to prove everything I say but I'm going to keep waiting for the right moment. Just like I waited for two monhs before I responded to your book of lies. Sure its been almost a year but the longer I wait to reveal the truth the better. Thousands of fornitsers and Elan survivors are sitting on the edge of there seats
Mark Rosenj and Ed Friedman and Margaret Devlin are but a few. Jimmy Johnson, Carla Bing and Hugo Long (football player) and Diane Hozman have assembled the troops and they are waiting for my cue, and then we will eat you for dinner
My day will cum :rofl:
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evaderci,
Sorry they derailed your discussion. There are many here who do care and are supportive. Hope you are able to find some understanding and peace.
Auntie Em
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I agree and hope you find the piece and serenity you deserve. I apologize for these Elan (surviviors????) they are a sorry bunch who need to be taught some manner
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Wait until we expose your ass for the James Frey you are Wayne. You are a sick homosexual perverted pimp who rapes and is a racist and a liar.We now have enough evidence to prove everything I say but I'm going to keep waiting for the right moment. Just like I waited for two monhs before I responded to your book of lies. Sure its been almost a year but the longer I wait to reveal the truth the better. Thousands of fornitsers and Elan survivors are sitting on the edge of there seats
Mark Rosenj and Ed Friedman and Margaret Devlin are but a few. Jimmy Johnson, Carla Bing and Hugo Long (football player) and Diane Hozman have assembled the troops and they are waiting for my cue, and then we will eat you for dinner
My day will cum :rofl:
Danny you are one sick puppy. Will James Fries be having lunch with Barney Franks and Warren Burger?
Suck it Danny.
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Hugo Long :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Why are all Danny's posts so homosexual in nature? Because he's a closet case. He never had a wife according to his niece. I wrote and asked about him in a private message on Face Book and she confirms this. She also said she hates his guts
Or is she a liar too Danny?
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evaderci,
Sorry they derailed your discussion. There are many here who do care and are supportive. Hope you are able to find some understanding and peace.
Auntie Em
Lemme echo that bolded part.
Re. the derailers: they could even be one person, masquerading as many, with not much more to contribute other than a whole lot of verbal diarrhea focussed on "Danny" and "Wayne."
@evaderci: I'm curious, did you ever encounter people like this — who would hijack the group discussion — during your participation in Synanon's "The Game?" Given your age at the time, were those synanons comprised solely of other kids, or did they sometimes, or always, include adults as well?
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Auntie Em and Danny B: No worries! I learned long ago that sometimes the self-introspection you do in therapy is nothing but a big tail chase. I take responsibility for the person I am, the choices that I made -- once I was old enough to make them -- and, I accept that I cannot change the past. My very wise mentor told me over ten years ago that there comes a time soon when you must leave the foot of the Buddha and go back down the mountain... and LIVE.
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Anyone else smell a rat?
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Yes. I'm starting to think people are creating fake profiles
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Yes. I'm starting to think people are creating fake profiles
Not you asshole. The OP!
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Then you should have specified that. None Ya, I'm tired of your abuse and you sticking your nose into things that don't concern you. If you had a modicum of intelligence and weren't hateful and abusive I'd welcome your comments, but you are a hateful person with serious issues.
Please, you don't even use your real name. :feedtrolls:
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Auntie Em: The games were always comprised of adults with some kids. Usually only 2-3 kids with about 6 or more adults. Some of these games went on for 4 hours and even up to 8 hours.
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Sorry Evanderci, I think None Ya is an ex staff member. Every time we get a serious conversation going he disrupts it and challenges the poster to prove they went to programs. Its annoying more than anything, but its abusive and drives people who are looking for help away. Stick around and ignore the trolls. Eventually they go away
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Thank you, Evaderci, interesting info--and I believe it is Ursus you are responding to about the nature of the games.
Glad you found a therapist who has been helpful (sounds like). Re the timing of this inquiry of yours, the brain acts in a protective way sometimes by letting us forget hurtful or painful events. It is possible--I'm not a professional in these matters--that you have remembered these events at Synanon at a time when you were in a safer and more supportive situation, and better able to cope.
Not sure if you have seen this article by Maia Szalivitz called, "The Cult That Spawned the Tough-Love Teen Industry." http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08 ... n-industry (http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/cult-spawned-tough-love-teen-industry)
Sadly, much of what you experienced lives on today.
Auntie Em
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Holy Moly! You guys weren't kidding about None-ya. What a piece 'a work!
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I apologize for engaging him here in your thread, but he does this all the time. That's why you were warned about releasing information. None Ya will attack your sexuality, make fun of things that happened to you, and berate and degrade you with name calling. If you respond he will use that against you by saying your argumentative. He's a skilled troll who attacks survivors
Anyway, your story is compelling and there are a lot of people here who can help you. Don't let one person drive you away
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@evaderci: I would strongly recommend that you ignore the pics (avatars) associated with the posts on this thread and focus very carefully on the usernames instead.
This thread appears to have generated significant troll interest, and certain fornits posters have copied other folks' avatars and are using them, sometimes changing them several times per day, in an attempt to confuse you and/or others.
Posters who have engaged in the copying and usage of other folks' avatars in this here particular thread thus far include: DannyB.II (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9510), DannyB. ll (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9506), Troublemaker (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9189), YV23 (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9103), and Wayne Kernochan (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6322). Some or all of these individuals could even be the same person.
Avatars used thus far have been copied from the profiles of none-ya (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=5783), (the real) DannyB II (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=5979), Anti-Troll (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=5987), psy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4117), and myself (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4374).
=> So... again: keep careful focus on the actual userNAME itself, sometimes also the user ID#, join date, and approximate number of posts, keeping in mind that lookalikes and look-similars to targeted individuals sometimes proliferate... :D
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I plead not guilty
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I plead not guilty
Indeed, I would've not expected any less from you, requisite avatar rotation in response to my post included.
It's always nice to have one's "faith" in the wiles of trolldom so unequivocably confirmed! :twofinger:
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I blame Mark Babitz
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I blame Mark Babitz
Ah. And I see that you are, not surprisingly, sporting his avatar of choice. Good show there, mate! :rofl:
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I find it all very confusing, much like all of Danny's fake profiles, which no one seems to care about.
In the interest of fairness, fuck him. What's good for the rapist abusive goose is good for the gander
I wish I knew who is doing this ???
Liar, liar, pants on fire. Everyone knows it's you.
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Prove it
So,Wayne, you don't even try to deny it?
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Stealing other peoples avatars should be enough to get you banned. How about it administrator?
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He asks for proof, while using Danny's avatar. What, now you think you're funny? You need to be banned.You and your trolls.(see Ursus' list)
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I agree. Wayne needs to have his perverted homosexual (pan) ass banned
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I'm not Danny
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Wayne, the real Danny has not posted in this thread yet. Look at the joined dates and the number of posts.
But you already knew that, didn't you?
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Im looking for other ex Synanon members. I was in California at the Ranch during 1978-79. I was 13-14 years old. My name is Lisa. I was able to get two other teens out, Dehlia and Lynn. Names I remember are Linda Favre, Elizabeth, Petra, Della, Beth, Dehlia and Lynn. If youre out there and you were in Synanon during those years, please contact me. I want to fill in the missing pieces. [email protected]
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Yes, that is where we are "hanging out". Some are reliving their fond memories and getting reacquainted, while others (me) are trying to figure out what the hell happened to us (I was a kid), why it happened, and dealing with the trauma with those who experienced the same abuse, at the same time at the same place. I appreciate that it is not open to the public, I don't need or want the whole world knowing the hell I lived in and how it could have f*cked up my entire life if I let it.
It's kind of like support groups, you shouldn't join if you didn't have the same experience ex: rape counseling, battered wife syndrome, alcoholism.etc.... There might even be a ton of support groups for kids who have survived all the different schools and camps and even then you would find that those who went to the same school would congregate towards each other. The Synanon site is no exception. It's the umbrella and we all have our different ways within it.
It's not hard to log on to the official Synanon site. It might be the best way to find each other.
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Tell me anyone, if you can't remember where you lived when you were 11?
It's not like being in the womb. Where did you go to the 6th grade? Some coincidence to move back to the same town decades later.
I was taken to Synanon when I was 13. I had no idea where I was, only that my flight was from Las Vegas to California. Youre completely void of contact with the outside world.
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kendallbrin,
Thanks for posting. I was in a off-shoot program called Marathon House. Joe Geranamo was our Director and he was very familiar with folks from Synanon. Joe was actually connected with Daytop prior to his employment with Marathon House.
I have not had any success finding anyone (residents or employees) that went to Marathon House in Rhode island.
I was 14 when I was sent to this facility.
Good luck with your search.
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