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The Seed Discussion Forum / I heard ART retired
« on: February 05, 2002, 05:44:00 PM »
Check this out - another 50,000 and it claims the program is retired as well.


http://www.caninecompanions.org/regions ... orida.html

This is the former web. Can any one say if that was the last know seed site ?
Phone is disconnected.
http://www.the-seed.org/abt_seed.htm
JimD
[email protected]

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Obsidian Trails Wilderness program
« on: February 04, 2002, 03:03:00 AM »
Sunday, February 3, 2002

Wildnerness school for teens is closed due to improper care: Along with the judge's court order, the state Justice bureau files a racketeering complaint.

By the Associated Press

Bend - More than 30 students at a wilderness school for troubled teen-agers will return home after a Linn County judge found the camp failed to adequately care for several of the teen-agers.

Judge Daniel Murphy ordered the temporary restraining order against Obsidian Schools Wilderness Program on Friday after state investigators concluded counselors did not give appropriate medical attention to four students suffering from infection, frostbite and a ruptured appendix.

The Oregon Department of Justice also filed a racketeering complaint Friday accusing Obsidian's owner and employees of criminal negligence for withholding medical care from four teen-agers in January and causing the death of William "Eddie" Lee in 2000. Last week, the wilderness school reached an out-of-court settlement with Lee's mother.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / STRAIGHT books, screenplays, etc.
« on: February 03, 2002, 11:59:00 PM »
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On 2002-01-31 13:35:00, misbehaver wrote:
 I reached a point that I not only targeted certain individuals, I took pleasure in the actual exchange of injuries. That's the kinda stuff I have difficulty taking resposiblity for.

Believe me, I know what you're saying. I didn't do a whole lot of physical violence on anyone. There's only one time I remember hitting someone. It was self defense, but it was political; had nothing do do with the girl that I hid.

I'd come back from splitting, been marathoned for some hours; I like to think it was around 4 for some reason but I realy don't remember. I didn't hit back when I was 1 against 4 or so. That would just be dumb. I didn't even yell back. I knew were spending valuable moral the longer they didn't get a rise out of me.

Afterward, excercise rap. I had a bad case of bronchitis and asthma. I complied with walking, that was reasonable. But trying to run brought on severe coughing and choking fits. But they wouldn't quit pushing and staff was pulling people aside and telling them to push me harder. So, at some point, I decided brinksmanship was in order and decided to sucker punch the next bitch who dug her nails into my back. (Remember, girls, long nails were a sign of 'doing good' because picking or biting them was avoidance?)

Well, the next girl was Kim, who'd never hurt anyone that I remember. And she wasn't really putting much entheusiasm behind the harrasment; she'd just come up behind me and it was her turn. But I'd made up my mind. Mainly because I really hated the last girl who'd poked me in the back till I almost fell over. She really was a snotty bitch. That and the fact that I really couldn't take much more.

My dad was an old WWII vet and lifetime evangelical NRA member. He taught me to seriously consider at what point violence really was in order and to understand that that was a point of no return. Well this was it. So poor Kim comes up behind me and does her part to keep staff from dunning her for 'being weak with me' and 'not showing enough love for' me. I gave her a roundhouse that put her on the floor. I didn't even know who she was till it was too late to pull back.

Nothing happened that I can remember. I remember walking around the far side of the big group room and seeing all these people hovering over her. [To: any lurkers unfamiliar with Program culture, Yeah they kept running and I kept walking. Staff hadn't told anyone to quit, had they?] I was braced for a serious takedown but none came. Not a word was ever said to me that I remember. But then, there's about a year that I don't remember.

That was the only time I ever remember striking out violently. But I did my share of the psyche crime to avoide it. I tried my best to mitigate without taking any risk. I was saving that up. I never broke a rule until I started planning to split. I saved/stle lunch money and got up an hour early on the pretense of studying to knock down a couple of cups of hi intensity Folgers Crystals solution to try and lose some wieght (ugly girls should never hitchhike!).

That means that I acted as a spy and a CO and a snitch and a mindfucker for all the time I was angling for the door. I have so much more respect and affection for whoever it was who broke my nose than for all those who helped break my mind. The bitch of the whole thing is that I can't remember who's who and they're probably the same people.

BTW, I didn't answer right the last time. Just wasn't focused, I guess. It doesn't matter what I think, does it? But that's the best expression that came to me for what I was trying to say.

Wrong? How can you be wrong? This is your business. Whatever you decide is, by definition, right. Isn't it?

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Another Teen Help Article
« on: February 02, 2002, 01:45:00 PM »
Lon Woodbury has closed the WWASP/Teen Help forum on the Struggling Teen discussion board. His notice states this is because of pending litigation. This forum had heated up in the past few months after the balance of power shifted and "anti" WWASP posters started to outnumber the "pro" WWASP ones.

Lon Woodbury has claimed he receives no money from WWASP/Teen Help and is completely unbiased. I don't know Lon personally, but have always questioned his ethics and honesty. There is documented proof that Lon has received numerous payments from WWASP for something???

WWASP has filed a lawsuit against at least three of the most vocal "anti-WWASP" advocates known - Barbe Stamps of Teen Help USA, Sue Scheff of P.U.R.E., and Donna Headrick of the Intrepid Net Reporter. These three women are just part of a group of people who have been working to expose WWASP/Teen Help and its abusive programs.

They have dedicated a great deal of time, effort and their own money to this cause. Not for personal gain or notoriety of any kind. Just a selfless desire to help children who are being victimized for profit.

Ken Kay and his family are trying to do the same thing with this lawsuit, that they do to the kids in their programs. Intimidate, manipulate and threaten in order to discredit and quiet any detractors.

I have a great deal of respect and admiration for these women and others who have the integrity and compassion to speak out about an injustice, regardless of the consequences. Sadly, these people are greatly outnumbered by those who just don't seem to give a shit.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Program Creep (into public schools)
« on: January 30, 2002, 03:47:00 PM »
oops! that was me
Peace,
Tommy

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Program Creep (into public schools)
« on: January 30, 2002, 03:46:00 PM »
A round of applause for Chairman Stalin,
comrades! (don't be the first one to stop
clapping).
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n082/a07.html?113
But read down to the bottom folks. Buried
in the continuation someone isn't clapping.
Also it sounds like that student gov't got
itself packed by a religious right youth
group.

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this is tommyfromhyde again
In other words, the press coverage that
counts is in the buissness press and especially
the insurance industry press.
Peace,
Tommy

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this is tommyfromhyde
Face, remember,  when she or anybody else
wins we want the insurance industry to get
the message that when they cover these
programs that they expose themselves to huge
judgements. That'll shut'em down faster than
anything else.

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Hi I'm tommyfromhyde and I'm anonymous
  To expand on your point, FaceKhan,these
programs put just as much effort into
cultivating those parents as they do into
brainwashing those kids. They have to. The
parents are the ones writing the checks. The
parents are the ones who can (usually) pull
their kid out.
  These programs demand not only a lot of
money but a lot of time from these parents.
They often have "parent seminars" that border
on the cult-like themselves. In some ways
they're better at brainwashing Mom and Dad
than at brainwashing the kid.

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P.S.

Hi Mike!  

Hello!

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Or they listen to teenagers in the Detroit
Free Press
peace,
Tommy

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the previous post was me
Peace,
Tommy

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Of course they don't listen to teenagers,Face
They tell them what to say and then the
legislators listen to teenagers on Geraldo!

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Look you freakin Cry baby idiot, If you were Really in Jail, doing "Hardtime", I don't think You would be Bragging about it, sounds to me like you were one of the sissy boys doing alll the bitch crying, and "PUNKING" if you were Really in Jail I am Sure you know what that is Really well, i am sure you had to do it girlyboy!!!!  So quite your freaking Whining. PUSS

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On 2002-01-20 19:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
You need to jsut be quiet, have you ever been in jail while someone on your cell block is murdered?  You sanctimonious ass.

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