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"Thank you so much for escorting (my son) to Tranquility Bay. It was reassuring to hear about you from other parents, and then place our most important treasure in your hands!

- Diann G., Wichita Falls, TX"

Wow, such wonderful people they are, kidnapping a kid and taking him off to a torture camp!

Ya know, I got a female friend thats only like 5'1", looks young for her age (she is 20) and happens to be a submissive masochist..  :idea: could someone somehow work out how she could go undercover for a few weeks? She could handle the abuse much better than a kid could - and is willing.

Just a thought.

I've been working on it...

Well, why not tell the story to the media or some orginization like ISAC (http://www.isaccorp.com/index.html)? Get therapy if you still need it! Its nothing to be ashamed of.

If you need people to talk to, this forum is full of them. My contact information is below, but I'm not a therapist - just someone who cares.

People WILL care about this! We just have to make it KNOWN. If people have the courage to come forward with what really happens,  and the country is made aware, then it can't be overlooked anymore. The government will have to regulate and provide oversight and supervision contantly to stop it - or outlaw it completely.

I have not gone a day since I found out about this that I have forgotten this goes on. I'm still trying to tell everyone I can. I recently started a thing at http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=209 . If this can get publicity on a large scale the whole world will get up in arms over this.

You obviously misunderstood me.

First, I wasn't even talking about americans being abused - I meant that in prisons in that part of the world, torture is common. I do NOT sympathize with anyone who abuses other people, or tortures other people! Don't put words in my mouth! Americans being abused in Iraq weren't even on my mind. Besides the burned bodies we've all seen on TV - if americans are being abducted, held captive, tortured and abused, of course I am angry about it. BUT THATS NOT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT!

I mean in prisons all over the middle east torture and abuse is the norm. I was not talking about americans! Understand?

AGAIN, let me say I am against any and all kinds of torture or abuse. I never said it was okay at all. If you thought so, let me say so now - I'm against ANY. Americans abusing Iraqis, or the other way around, or any party abusing another, period.

My only point from the beginning was they get tons of media, while our kids being abused in america do not get any, and the people in prisons in the middle east being tortured get none. I wish I could believe that all prisons in the middle east are humane, but I do not.

I find it hypocritical the middle east cries out at americans roughing up prisoners when its apparent just abuses happen to people in their own prisons.

But, as long as its an american doing the abuse to someone in the middle east, The whole fucking world gets their panties in a bunch.

And finally, let me say I really don't care. Why? Because a ton of people care about those abused prisoners for me. Not nearly enough care about those children in the US, Canada, and US/Canadian children sent overseas. Thats why that is my primary concern, not some people who already have the whole world in a fury over their abuse.

I wish the world would get as worked up about those kids in those 'treatment facilities'

Now, I'll repeat AGAIN so you don't assume, and pidgeon hole me so you can attack me and start some stupid flamewar.

1. I'm against all abuse.
2. I was not talking about americans being abused!
3. The hypocratsy was that middle easterners in middle-eastern prisons are more than likely abused, too, but nobody gets worked up over that. Its only when the USA gets caught doing it (but I still think its wrong) that they get in a frenzy over it. Its political. Someone in some piss-hole prison in a middle eastern country is being tortured and NOBODY is raising their voice to the degree they do when an american abuses a middle easterner.
4. I'm frustrated they get all this media when thousands and thousands of CHILDREN IN THE USA are being abused as bad if not worse, get almost NONE.
5. I don't really care because everyone else does, but nobody cares about those children and teenagers.

There, am I clear enough for you, anon? And just so you know I do not like Bush, or the GOP, and for that matter I don't agree with the democrats either.[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2004-05-11 02:34 ]

Share your story with us!

What was the experience? What did or did not happen? Why did you go? Why did your parents finally pull you out?

Register, if you dare. If not, its okay to go anonymous. Many many people fear retribution from those places if they speak out about the abuse.

And, welcome back to the real world. If you need someone to talk to, we're here for ya. And if you need a real therapist to handle what went down - we could probably find some resources for you.

Where will these be posted?

Yeah, its a crock. Its politically expedient.

I severely doubt anyone in the GOP actually knows wtf goes on, they just don't believe the accusations and do their paid promo thing like good puppets do.

But yes, I really am mad that those prisioners didn't suffer anything compared to what our own kids do, for a FRACTION of the time many of them do, and the whole fucking world gets mad. An american kid? puh-leeze.

And while I'm on my soapbox, the middle east is real fucking hypocritical. They do that shit and worse to their prisioners every day!

Thanks for the reply.

The issue is people don't WANT to care about domestic issues, I've found. We'd rather be angry at "the government" and look overseas so we can safely raise our voice either way, then go home and watch TV. People are so pissed about something a world away, but nobody gets up on arms over our own children being abused.

Its going to take the lid being blown off this in a massive way for people to start getting angry about it.

Its sad. Most powerful nation to ever exist can't even protect its own children.

And yes, I am going to keep raising hell. People say to me all the time "What the FUCK?" Or,  "god... this can't be real!" It is, and it sucks. One poor person threw up upon hearing about it... but was repressing her own abusive history.

People who know will act, its too sick and disgusting to just forget. It stuck in my mind and it sticks in theirs. I'm never forgetting.