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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Pile of Dead Kids on July 11, 2010, 11:21:59 PM
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http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss)
Who could have done such a thing?
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http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss
Who could have done such a thing?
Pile, thats just not right posting their name and address on the internet like that. They have a 15 year old girl living there at home. That is very dangerous and not in the best interest in keeping her safe.
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http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss
Who could have done such a thing?
Pile, thats just not right posting their name and address on the internet like that. They have a 15 year old girl living there at home. That is very dangerous and not in the best interest in keeping her safe.
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So all children and teens need to be kept in witness protection? More people have kids than do not, and they're basically everywhere, and she's not being left alone. I suppose every kid on earth should go to a program instead?
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That's a pretty amazing entry...
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revision war is great :beat:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Specia ... ex_wheeler (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Special:Contributions/Flex_wheeler)
you're not fooling anyone
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It is interesting that you place the names and addresses of 15 year old girls on the internet while you remain anonymous and hide in the shadows. If a child got hurt in a program you would be the first ones to point the finger of blame yet you don’t have any problem placing these children in harm’s way yourself. You use these children as pawns in your personal vengeance against programs and personal enjoyment without thought to their safety.
Pile of dead kids and Niles you are both cowards and by your actions it is easy to see this is not the first time someone has called you this.
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I have spoken with the network behind Spft (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/) and I have been given the task to condemn the publication of this family.
While we recommend that the teenager enroll friends and extended family to create rescue groups on community networks so the teenagers can be freed from the detention they have been placed in without a preceeding legal process, we strongly believe that such a public fight must the choice of the teenager who are detained at a program.
Morgan should have been entitled to privacy until she decide otherwise. She is the only one who is at risk of loosing her human right to live in freedom. No what we may believe which is right, it is her future and no one else.
Damn you. Can you not avoid overstepping the line of common dignity?
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It is interesting that you place the names and addresses of 15 year old girls on the internet while you remain anonymous and hide in the shadows. If a child got hurt in a program you would be the first ones to point the finger of blame yet you don’t have any problem placing these children in harm’s way yourself. You use these children as pawns in your personal vengeance against programs and personal enjoyment without thought to their safety.
Pile of dead kids and Niles you are both cowards and by your actions it is easy to see this is not the first time someone has called you this.
I don't see the girl's info posted, just the parents' info...and it's fine posting their info considering what they tried to do...besides if they're stupid enough to make it available, that's their problem. Nobody is using anyone as pawns, get a grip. You think your bitching about it is going to do any good? :rofl: If anything it will just encourage people to do this more often.. in fact, I may do it myself sometime soon, if given the opportunity.
People like that should be held accountable, and even fucked with, if necessary...
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss)
THIS IS WAR!!! ::unhappy:: ::poke:: ::OMG:: :fuckoff: :twofinger: :suicide:
Froderick, are you serious? They mention her in the first paragraph and go on to say she is 15 years old and then post her address at the bottom.
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They mention her in the first paragraph and go on to say she is 15 years old and then post her address at the bottom.
I see your point, but in cases like this one it seems the parents are more of a danger to her than most strangers would be. Still, I see your point. Too bad she's only 15 and can't get out from their house yet... this would solve that problem.
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and you fuckers wonder why I fight you as hard as I do because some of you will stop at nothing to get what you want. This is not about Morgan and her parents any more, it is now about Pile and Nihilanthic and their disturbed behavior tendencies. Froderik I hope your not even tepidly considering this outrageous action towards another 15 year old. Obviously these two degenerates have no children and don't care about proper etiquette on web sites.
YOU ARE ENDANGERING HER LIFE DOING THIS WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT....I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.
I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU CAUSE SOMETHING VERY BAD TO HAPPEN TO MORGAN.
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I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
I would LOVE to have been a fly on the wall when that lawyer was talking to you!!!! Believe me....he was dying with laughter!! What POSSIBLE grounds would YOU have to sue in this case?? Please, tell me your thought process on this. Goddamn, at least you're good for a laugh.
That said.....dick move to put the kid's shit out there. Hugely dick move. I understand the desire to humiliate the parents (and it's not even a taste of the humiliation the kids get inside those shitpits) but to put her info out there, without her say-so.......uh uh. No.
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A young girl comes to fornits for advice on how to handle the impending event of her going to a program, she is open with everyone and people like "Pile of Dead Kids" and "Niles" trick her into giving her name and then post her personal information on the internet for the fun of it.
How come no other posters speak out against this? People get totally outraged by my opinions but no one cares about this 15 year old girl heading for a program?
Should we warn other people somehow before they start posting here that their personal information will be posted openly so that they can be humiliated and placed at risk?
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A young girl comes to fornits for advice on how to handle the impending event of her going to a program, she is open with everyone and people like "Pile of Dead Kids" and "Niles" trick her into giving her name and then post her personal information on the internet for the fun of it.
How come no other posters speak out against this? People get totally outraged by my opinions but no one cares about this 15 year old girl heading for a program?
Should we warn other people somehow before they start posting here that their personal information will be posted openly so that they can be humiliated and placed at risk?
Did you just miss Frod's and my posts or are you just ignoring them? Edited to add: And Oscar's too?
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Anne's reply was quick, but I'll post this as well.
“How come no other posters speak out against this?” Spare the spin for your Aspen interests, Who.
Other people have spoken out against this. Some right above on this very thread.
It was a fucked up thing to do. It was a shortsighted petty thing to do, that will not change the situation for the better.
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A young girl comes to fornits for advice on how to handle the impending event of her going to a program, she is open with everyone and people like "Pile of Dead Kids" and "Niles" trick her into giving her name and then post her personal information on the internet for the fun of it.
How come no other posters speak out against this? People get totally outraged by my opinions but no one cares about this 15 year old girl heading for a program?
Should we warn other people somehow before they start posting here that their personal information will be posted openly so that they can be humiliated and placed at risk?
Did you just miss Frod's and my posts or are you just ignoring them? Edited to add: And Oscar's too?
Lets say someone came onto fornits and a poster referred them to a program. Set up a link to their website, accomplished the reference…. The poster thanked them and proceeded to place their kid in a program. Then kept the active link on fornits for future references.
Would this place be silent? Would we get a response from you as : “Dick move to refer a kid to a program” or Frod: “Too bad, I see your point” or would people be outraged and pissed that fornits was used to refer kids to programs and troll that bastard until he left? Do you see my point? It appears most of the posters here really don’t care about kids’ safety as they claim they do. They mostly care about being anti-program and merely use kids as a pawn to that end.
No one has advocated for this child and is trying to get the link or information taken down except Oscar. If this link were to an Edcon and a child was at risk to be sent to a program I think we all know it would be a different story. This thread would be on page 15 by now.
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@ Who while I'm sure this turn of events came like Christmas in July for you spin troll, that was my PM from last night that the class act included on that ED link.
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A young girl comes to fornits for advice on how to handle the impending event of her going to a program, she is open with everyone and people like "Pile of Dead Kids" and "Niles" trick her into giving her name and then post her personal information on the internet for the fun of it.
How come no other posters speak out against this? People get totally outraged by my opinions but no one cares about this 15 year old girl heading for a program?
Should we warn other people somehow before they start posting here that their personal information will be posted openly so that they can be humiliated and placed at risk?
Did you just miss Frod's and my posts or are you just ignoring them? Edited to add: And Oscar's too?
Don't feel bad; he even missed Danny's!
Nah, it was a very uncool thing to do... And pretty hypocritical, given that one of the main complaints/outrages 'bout sending kids to programs is the fact that it involves denying them informed consent.
And here's another kicker: they haven't even sent her to program yet! For all anyone knows, Mom's digging in her heels due to misguided ego and vanity concerns, and the decision not to send her is being made quietly so as not to ruffle any feathers. Just sayin' ... as a hopeful thought, which may or may not be realistic. Nonetheless, what *is* real, is that she is not there yet.
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MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:
Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
You will be physically prevented from leaving.
Do you understand that?
You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.
You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.
But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
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MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:
Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
You will be physically prevented from leaving.
Do you understand that?
You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.
You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.
But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home. The place isnt a prison. If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months. I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex. Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it. She is really getting some bad advice here imo.
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A young girl comes to fornits for advice on how to handle the impending event of her going to a program, she is open with everyone and people like "Pile of Dead Kids" and "Niles" trick her into giving her name and then post her personal information on the internet for the fun of it.
How come no other posters speak out against this? People get totally outraged by my opinions but no one cares about this 15 year old girl heading for a program?
Should we warn other people somehow before they start posting here that their personal information will be posted openly so that they can be humiliated and placed at risk?
Did you just miss Frod's and my posts or are you just ignoring them? Edited to add: And Oscar's too?
Lets say someone came onto fornits and a poster referred them to a program. Set up a link to their website, accomplished the reference…. The poster thanked them and proceeded to place their kid in a program. Then kept the active link on fornits for future references.
Would this place be silent? Would we get a response from you as : “Dick move to refer a kid to a program” or Frod: “Too bad, I see your point” or would people be outraged and pissed that fornits was used to refer kids to programs and troll that bastard until he left? Do you see my point? It appears most of the posters here really don’t care about kids’ safety as they claim they do. They mostly care about being anti-program and merely use kids as a pawn to that end.
No one has advocated for this child and is trying to get the link or information taken down except Oscar. If this link were to an Edcon and a child was at risk to be sent to a program I think we all know it would be a different story. This thread would be on page 15 by now.
So, you just ignored all of our responses. Ok.....why can't you just admit that, without the lecture?
I just found out about this this morning. I said it was a dick move. Should I have gone the route DannyBoi did and attempt to sue/profit from whomever put it up there? :eek: :seg:
This is a sad situation all around. I wish the kid was important enough to the parents for them to take some time off work and figure out what's bothering her, rather than spending all that money to send her away to strangers....that's an even dickier move than the ED thing.
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If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home.
How do you know this?
The place isnt a prison. If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months. I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex.
How do you know this?
Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it.
Morgan's parents need to take a few of those $$$$ they'd like to spend to lock her up and try and figure out what's bothering her.
She is really getting some bad advice here imo.
OMG....I'm shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU, that you would think that! Hey! Maybe STICC can place her and you can collect a sweet referral? :eek: :seg:
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This is a sad situation all around. I wish the kid was important enough to the parents for them to take some time off work and figure out what's bothering her, rather than spending all that money to send her away to strangers....that's an even dickier move than the ED thing.
I agree, if we knew all the circumstances leading up to her needing placement. But one doesnt justify the other in my opinion. If someone felt your boat was hurting the environment and felt you could have purchased a solar option instead polluting the inlet seas it would justify them creating a ED page about your family and posting your personal information on the internt. I think you would be pissed off, but the person creating the page would feel it was okay.
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This is a sad situation all around. I wish the kid was important enough to the parents for them to take some time off work and figure out what's bothering her, rather than spending all that money to send her away to strangers....that's an even dickier move than the ED thing.
I agree, if we knew all the circumstances leading up to her needing placement. But one doesnt justify the other in my opinion. If someone felt your boat was hurting the environment and felt you could have purchased a solar option instead polluting the inlet seas it would justify them creating a ED page about your family and posting your personal information on the internt. I think you would be pissed off, but the person creating the page would feel it was okay.
The King of Bad Analogies strikes again. Apples to oranges, nobody in the situation you propose is underaged....no one in the situation you've proposed is in possible danger of potentially being locked in a 'thought reform camp'.......HOWEVER......did you not see that I have condemned what was done on ED??? Of course you did, but on par for your penchant for spin, you've decided that what I've said is something completely different than what I actually wrote.
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If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home.
How do you know this?
The place isnt a prison. If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months. I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex.
How do you know this?
This was the deal at ASR. They had rules like, no sex, no running away or leaving the campus, no hitting,smoking etc. If these rules were broken a few times the parents were contacted and asked to come pick up their kid. this happened to one of the children in an earlier peer group.
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This is a sad situation all around. I wish the kid was important enough to the parents for them to take some time off work and figure out what's bothering her, rather than spending all that money to send her away to strangers....that's an even dickier move than the ED thing.
I agree, if we knew all the circumstances leading up to her needing placement. But one doesnt justify the other in my opinion. If someone felt your boat was hurting the environment and felt you could have purchased a solar option instead polluting the inlet seas it would justify them creating a ED page about your family and posting your personal information on the internt. I think you would be pissed off, but the person creating the page would feel it was okay.
The King of Bad Analogies strikes again. Apples to oranges, nobody in the situation you propose is underaged....no one in the situation you've proposed is in possible danger of potentially being locked in a 'thought reform camp'.......HOWEVER......did you not see that I have condemned what was done on ED??? Of course you did, but on par for your penchant for spin, you've decided that what I've said is something completely different than what I actually wrote.
The point is that the parents dont think they are doing anything wrong, but someone else does so that gives them the right to post their private information. In the boat analogy you dont think you are doing anything wrong but an environmentalist may think you are so that gives them the right to post your private information publicly.
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This was the deal at ASR.
Is ASR the same as Academy at Sisters?
They had rules like, no sex, no running away or leaving the campus, no hitting,smoking etc. If these rules were broken a few times the parents were contacted and asked to come pick up their kid. this happened to one of the children in an earlier peer group.
I see you writing it, but have an incredibly difficult time believing it happened in any real capacity. What I mean by that is that there was one.....ONE guy...that I remember at Straight that was "kicked out". Ironically, he was one of the very few that actually DID have a drug problem. I believe he later killed his mother, but I digress. Ironically again.....I'm hearing parents saying that they're sending their kids to these places because they don't follow rules at home and that the program will ensure that they follow rules. Isn't that at least part of the very reason for programs???? Defiant teens? Hell, it's all over those "online assessments" that you see on practically EVERY teenhelp site. Are you telling me that all a kid has to do to get out of a program is just break a few rules? Really??? Sweet!!!
Yes, they'll tell potential marks (parents) pretty much anything they need to in order to get them to sign their kids up. The reality is often VERY different.
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The point is that the parents dont think they are doing anything wrong, but someone else does so that gives them the right to post their private information. In the boat analogy you dont think you are doing anything wrong but an environmentalist may think you are so that gives them the right to post your private information publicly.
Hmmmm......And yet still none of it involves a minor. King. Of. Bad. Analogies.
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Anne, once again you waltz into a thread like a princess thinking what you have to say 1) is worth listening to, 2) anyone wants to even respond and 3) what was your name?????
Oh that's right,"?????"
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The point is that the parents dont think they are doing anything wrong, but someone else does so that gives them the right to post their private information. In the boat analogy you dont think you are doing anything wrong but an environmentalist may think you are so that gives them the right to post your private information publicly.
Hmmmm......And yet still none of it involves a minor. King. Of. Bad. Analogies.
lol... you have no concept of analogies, Anne, never mind.
Analogy: I have a friend who is as honest as Abe Lincoln. They call him honest Abe
Anne Bonney: Your friend isnt a president so how does that apply? Thats a bad analogy.
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@ Who while I'm sure this turn of events came like Christmas in July for you spin troll, that was my PM from last night that the class act included on that ED link.
Thanks Inculcate, the only time you post is to hurl a insult at Whooter, Bravo. Thanks for your support.
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MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:
Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
You will be physically prevented from leaving.
Do you understand that?
You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.
You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.
But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home. The place isnt a prison. If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months. I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex. Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it. She is really getting some bad advice here imo.
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MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:
Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
You will be physically prevented from leaving.
Do you understand that?
You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.
You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.
But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home. The place isnt a prison. If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months. I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex. Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it. She is really getting some bad advice here imo.
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Nope. They're prisons. Well, more along the lines of "gulags." Prisons incarcerate people who've actually been convicted of crimes and sentanced.
In the gulags discussed on fornits, lAspen Education Group Cult, WWASP, CEDU, Elan, Straight, etc., violence is used to prevent peoples' escape who've not been convicted of anything. In function, though not in fairness or legality, they're prisons. Any organization that uses "escorts," proffesional kidnappers, should be understood to be a gulag.
Sound too crazy too be true?
A little something to start ya' out...
http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/ (http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/)
http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July ... laug04.msp (http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July-August-2004/feature_labi_julaug04.msp)
http://www.websupp.org/data/EDTX/9:04-c ... 3-EDTX.pdf (http://www.websupp.org/data/EDTX/9:04-cv-00228-33-EDTX.pdf)
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+troub ... 0156363029 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+trouble+with+troubled+teen+programs%3A+how+the+%22boot+camp%22+industry+...-a0156363029)
http://www.nospank.net/n-c23.htm (http://www.nospank.net/n-c23.htm)
Academy at Swift River and SUWS also uses violence and other coercive measures to prevent victims from escaping, contrary to commentary from "whooter" the Aspen Education Group Troll.
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MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:
Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
You will be physically prevented from leaving.
Do you understand that?
You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.
You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.
But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home. The place isnt a prison. If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months. I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex. Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it. She is really getting some bad advice here imo.
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MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:
Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
You will be physically prevented from leaving.
Do you understand that?
You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.
You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.
But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home. The place isnt a prison. If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months. I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex. Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it. She is really getting some bad advice here imo.
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Nope. They're prisons. Well, more along the lines of "gulags." Prisons incarcerate people who've actually been convicted of crimes and sentanced. In the gulags discussed on fornits, like the Aspen Education Group Cult, WWASP, CEDU, Elan, Straight, etc., violence is used to prevent peoples' escape who have not been convicted of anything. In function, though not in fairness or legality, they're prisons. Any organization that uses "escorts," proffesional kidnappers, should be understood to be a gulag.
Sound too crazy too be true?
A little something to start ya' out...
http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/ (http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/)
http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July ... laug04.msp (http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July-August-2004/feature_labi_julaug04.msp)
http://www.websupp.org/data/EDTX/9:04-c ... 3-EDTX.pdf (http://www.websupp.org/data/EDTX/9:04-cv-00228-33-EDTX.pdf)
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+troub ... 0156363029 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+trouble+with+troubled+teen+programs%3A+how+the+%22boot+camp%22+industry+...-a0156363029)
http://www.nospank.net/n-c23.htm (http://www.nospank.net/n-c23.htm)
Academy at Swift River and SUWS also uses violence and other coercive measures to prevent victims from escaping, despite what the Aspen Education Group Troll says.
Here we go again another extremist making shit up from other programs from years ago that were essentially isolated incidents. Bravo so happy you still have your diary from 30 years ago till now.
Ya know I think if you post this larger it may just work.
Thanks for the "Troll" down memory lane.
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MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:
Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
You will be physically prevented from leaving.
Do you understand that?
You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.
You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.
But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO A PHONE TO CALL FOR HELP?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING THEY DEMAND YOU DO WILL BE ENFORCED THROUGH VIOLENCE?
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Here we go again another extremist making shit up from other programs from years ago that were essentially isolated incidents. Bravo so happy you still have your diary from 30 years ago till now.
Ya know I think if you post this larger it may just work.
Thanks for the "Troll" down memory lane.
Our contacts on various message boards are trying to contact survivors from the Academy, but have not been successful yet. It very much depends on the program. What do you think would happen if a teenager walks off the campus of existing programs like Turn-about Ranch (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Turn-about_Ranch), Island View (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Island_view) or Red River Academy (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Red_River_Academy)?
The teenager will be restrained. Because we don't know anything about the Academy at Sisters, we don't know what is going on a the Lodge Campus beside that it is isolated and the daily schedule is strict in order to get the girls to bite into the program. The "nice" Read Campus which the parents tour may have ASR-like rules, but the Lodge Campus sounds like Roundy at Turn-about Ranch.
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Cult, Prisons, kidnapping and Gulag should tip the reader off that the person represents a fringe hate group.
Like most boarding schools they expect you to adhere to the rules otherwise your parents are called and you get sent home (no refund is given back). Many of the posters here can actually put you in more danger than any program. Programs keep your identity safe and would not never post your personal information publicly like many do here.
Programs are highly structured and have a predetermined beginning and end point. If a child works hard they can accomplish a lot and get a lot out of it. Many posters here did not do well in their program and therefore have a very negative opinion against them.
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Here we go again another extremist making shit up from other programs from years ago that were essentially isolated incidents. Bravo so happy you still have your diary from 30 years ago till now.
Ya know I think if you post this larger it may just work.
Thanks for the "Troll" down memory lane.
Our contacts on various message boards are trying to contact survivors from the Academy, but have not been successful yet. It very much depends on the program. What do you think would happen if a teenager walks off the campus of existing programs like Turn-about Ranch (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Turn-about_Ranch), Island View (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Island_view) or Red River Academy (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Red_River_Academy)?
The teenager will be restrained. Because we don't know anything about the Academy at Sisters, we don't know what is going on a the Lodge Campus beside that it is isolated and the daily schedule is strict in order to get the girls to bite into the program. The "nice" Read Campus which the parents tour may have ASR-like rules, but the Lodge Campus sounds like Roundy at Turn-about Ranch.
MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:
Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
You will be physically prevented from leaving.
Do you understand that?
You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.
You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.
But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home. The place isnt a prison. If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months. I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex. Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it. She is really getting some bad advice here imo.
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MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:
Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
You will be physically prevented from leaving.
Do you understand that?
You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.
You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.
But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home. The place isnt a prison. If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months. I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex. Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it. She is really getting some bad advice here imo.
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Nope. They're prisons. Well, more along the lines of "gulags." Prisons incarcerate people who've actually been convicted of crimes and sentanced. In the gulags discussed on fornits, like the Aspen Education Group Cult, WWASP, CEDU, Elan, Straight, etc., violence is used to prevent peoples' escape who have not been convicted of anything. In function, though not in fairness or legality, they're prisons. Any organization that uses "escorts," proffesional kidnappers, should be understood to be a gulag.
Sound too crazy too be true?
A little something to start ya' out...
http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/ (http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/)
http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July ... laug04.msp (http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July-August-2004/feature_labi_julaug04.msp)
http://www.websupp.org/data/EDTX/9:04-c ... 3-EDTX.pdf (http://www.websupp.org/data/EDTX/9:04-cv-00228-33-EDTX.pdf)
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+troub ... 0156363029 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+trouble+with+troubled+teen+programs%3A+how+the+%22boot+camp%22+industry+...-a0156363029)
http://www.nospank.net/n-c23.htm (http://www.nospank.net/n-c23.htm)
Academy at Swift River and SUWS also uses violence and other coercive measures to prevent victims from escaping, despite what the Aspen Education Group Troll says.
Here we go again another extremist making shit up from other programs from years ago that were essentially isolated incidents. Bravo so happy you still have your diary from 30 years ago till now.
Ya know I think if you post this larger it may just work.
Thanks for the "Troll" down memory lane.
You are uneducated. Staight closed in 1994 and it remains open under another name. The rest of the above programs named are open (even though CEDU's official ownership was transferred) including the one you were in, Elan. How could you not know that? The point of my list was to give insight into the legacy and pattern of kidnap and imprisonment.
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I think just about everyone agrees it was a stupid thing to. It also hurts the credibility of the posters here. I don't think Morgan's father really deserved that shit. But certainly, the person most screwed over was Morgan. She actually trusted people here. She acted like an adult. You acted childish. You abused her confidence.
Pile, I know that you very strongly believe that what you are doing is right, and that this is a war, and you are trying to save somebody....
But, at the very least, did it ever occur to you to ask Morgan her opinion before doing this? You probably knew she wouldnt go for it. Ya did a stupid thing.. I m not jump on the band wagon, and condemn ya, cause ya got enough of that.
I'm just gonna ask ya to think about this....
If you think that it is okay to hurt someone in order to help them, aren t you using the same philosophy you and most of us here oppose?
Ya gotta slow down man.. Take a step back.. That s my opinion....
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Cult, Prisons, kidnapping and Gulag should tip the reader off that the person represents a fringe hate group.
Like most boarding schools they expect you to adhere to the rules otherwise your parents are called and you get sent home (no refund is given back). Many of the posters here can actually put you in more danger than any program. Programs keep your identity safe and would not never post your personal information publicly like many do here.
Programs are highly structured and have a predetermined beginning and end point. If a child works hard they can accomplish a lot and get a lot out of it. Many posters here did not do well in their program and therefore have a very negative opinion against them.
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Cult, Prisons, kidnapping and Gulag should tip the reader off that the person represents a fringe hate group.
Like most boarding schools they expect you to adhere to the rules otherwise your parents are called and you get sent home (no refund is given back). Many of the posters here can actually put you in more danger than any program. Programs keep your identity safe and would not never post your personal information publicly like many do here.
Programs are highly structured and have a predetermined beginning and end point. If a child works hard they can accomplish a lot and get a lot out of it. Many posters here did not do well in their program and therefore have a very negative opinion against them.
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http://www.nospank.net/labi.htm (http://www.nospank.net/labi.htm)
http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/ (http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/)
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/FrontPage.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/FrontPage.html)
The above describes kidanpping. Any "boarding school" that uses thugs who use violence or threat of violence to force human beings into thier facility are gulags, and will use violence to prevent escape as well as to acheive capture. The links provide you with material to read about methods used to prevent escape of the prisoners. TheWho understands that teens are kept prisoner in these facitilites. Its frightening to theink how deceptive such an entity is capable of being, especiailly considering he has a "fiduciary interest" in Aspen.
After kidnap, while being held prisoner without opprotuinity to contact the wider world, that's when the additional torture starts. Every once in a while the state will conduct a fair investiagtion and shut down the gulags, but all too rarely. Follow the link to read about the state's investigation into Mount Bachelor Academy, an Aspen Education Group gulag:
http://www.cafety.org/solutions-and-suc ... my-closing (http://www.cafety.org/solutions-and-successes/791-aspen-education-group-mount-bachelor-academy-closing)
"Investigators eported that all students at MBA were required to participate in "emotional growth" workshops, called Lifesteps, which included activities that were coercive, intimidating and humiliating -- including sexualized role play and reenactment of past traumatic events, such as prior physical or sexual abuse.
While the initial reports described concerns about Lifesteps, the investigation ultimately revealed serious safety concerns about MBA's curriculum and program as a whole. The experience of the five students was consistent with that of other children enrolled at the school. The report concluded that the experiences of "these five youth are exemplars of the program's treatment of its students as a whole."
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The above describes kidanpping. Any "boarding school" that uses thugs who use violence or threat of violence to force human beings into thier facility are gulags, and will use violence to prevent escape as well as to acheive capture. The links provide you with material to read about methods used to prevent escape of the prisoners. TheWho understands that teens are kept prisoner in these facitilites. Its frightening to theink how deceptive such an entity is capable of being, especiailly considering he has a "fiduciary interest" in Aspen.
So basically you link to other fringe groups to back up your story, but nothing credible? Do you have anything from a major newspaper? They usually put kidnappings on the front page. In fact it carries the death penalty in some states so it would be taken very seriously. How about a police report?
I think the way your sham works is one website makes up a story and then other websites link to it to give the appearance it is a credible story, but you basically have nothing. I have never seen a report of a child being kidnapped and held in a boarding school and held with the threat of violence.
I suspect that you may be mentally ill, Kleenex.
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As you well know, the links go to Deperatment of health findings, articles, lawsuits, the Goverment of Accountability Office, etc, and are parked at organizations dedicated to protecting teens from human rights violations.
(Watch the GAO investigation into torture and imprisonment at "specitality schools." BTW
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 8FEE00F28F (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EFDA658FEE00F28F))
Similarly, Amnesty international parks articles, lawsuits, criminal investigation findings relating to human rights violations. The "fringe groups" you describe are no more fringe than amnesty internation, though that's a subjective opinion
But that's clear to anyone who follows the links. This John David Reuben (they say) character that calls itslf Whooter really doesn't want you (reader) to do that.
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The above describes kidanpping. Any "boarding school" that uses thugs who use violence or threat of violence to force human beings into thier facility are gulags, and will use violence to prevent escape as well as to acheive capture. The links provide you with material to read about methods used to prevent escape of the prisoners. TheWho understands that teens are kept prisoner in these facitilites. Its frightening to theink how deceptive such an entity is capable of being, especiailly considering he has a "fiduciary interest" in Aspen.
So basically you link to other fringe groups to back up your story, but nothing credible? Do you have anything from a major newspaper? They usually put kidnappings on the front page. In fact it carries the death penalty in some states so it would be taken very seriously. How about a police report?
I think the way your sham works is one website makes up a story and then other websites link to it to give the appearance it is a credible story, but you basically have nothing. I have never seen a report of a child being kidnapped and held in a boarding school and held with the threat of violence.
I suspect that you may be mentally ill, Kleenex.
Most of those above links, had you bothered to check them, Whooter, were or contain archives of newspaper articles. I take it that the qualifying criteria for credibility for you is ... only when the media coverage appears on the front page?
It's really quite odd that you refer to families whose kids suffered abuse and/or death in these hellholes — who often focus on getting information to the public about such human rights violations — to be "fringe groups," should they dare speak out about it...
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Most of those above links, had you bothered to check them, Whooter, were or contain archives of newspaper articles. I take it that the qualifying criteria for credibility for you is ... only when the media coverage appears on the front page?
It's really quite odd that you consider families whose kids suffered abuse and/or death in these hellholes to be "fringe groups," should they dare speak out about it.
I read them and nowhere was there anyone who was picked up or accused of kidnapping. There was a guy in Salt lake City who kidnapped a little girl and it was in the news (front page) for weeks and years even. Kleenex never supplied one piece of evidence that a kidnapping took place, nor a police report was filed or someone was tried for even an attempted kidnapping.
I am not sure where you live but if a neighbors kid was kidnapped it would go national. So we can be assured this is fabricated.
Then Kleenex tries to make the readers believe that people can just open up Gulags and imprison people against their will and threaten them and partake in violence. Yet none of these people have ever been caught or spotted. A Gulag is a big place and I am sure someone would have reported it to the local police. So do a search on Gulags and see how many operate in the US. (I suspect Kleenex is confusing reality with a book she was reading about the Soviet Union).
I think you can see that there is very little reality in what Kleenex is saying.
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I think it is great to provide support or provide when a kid faces a malignant program, especially since the program practices share commonalities with known programs.
When I visited the site, it was worse than I imagined.
It is abhorrent and not truly centered on support for Morgan. Also, why couple pornographic images with the alleged purpose of child welfare? It's not that sexuality is bad, but let's focus on the issues. Pornographic images diminish the cause. There are a thousand better ways of handling this situation to reflect credible support. This is not one of them. This is an example of the Internet being used for ill purposes, and I hope the author will consider removing it in favor of more constructive methods.
I am surprised that the address and phone number is not removed already as this is a safety issue. At 15 years old, I already had to deal with peeping toms and predators, and I just don't think this is helpful... or safe. I would feel violated, emotionally at the very least. To me, this is akin to responding terroristically instead of proactively or assertively. I would not want my support of at risk children aligned with this act.
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You guys are letting Pile off way to easy! Burn Pile at the stake.
It'll never happen....Dont confuse anti-program with pro-children.
Fornits is purely anti-program... if they loose a few kids along the way to prove a point it doesnt matter to them as long as programs look bad. It will all be forgotten in a few days and the cowards (Pile of Dead kids and Niles) will come back out of the shadows and everyone will give them hugs and ask them how they have been.
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Yep... We are all a bunch of assholes..lol
But you are one of us, Whooter. I don t give a fuck what your opinions are.. The fact of the matter is- This is your favorite place in the world to be.
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Whooter, speak for yourself. I know too many people from this board who do not want destructive program practices to befall the next generation.
Also, it is very odd you've taken up residence here, with your predilections. It is obvious you have a Fornits-centric life.
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Whooter, speak for yourself. I know too many people from this board who do not want destructive program practices to befall the next generation.
Also, it is very odd you've taken up residence here, with your predilections. It is obvious you have a Fornits-centric life.
Lol, you have a point. I dont mean everyone, but the ones who have responded to this have been very telling. Overall I think we can all agree that most people are not outraged at all about what happened or overly concerned for this girls well being.
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I just read this whole thread. I saw Pile posted the initial link, but why is everyone saying that makes Pile resposible for the content of that link? Does someone have any evidence of this? It looks like someone named "slicer" posted it. For all I know Whooter, Pile of Shit or SUCK IT is "slicer." Wouldn't surprise me if "pro-program" extremists would do this just to make "Fornits" look bad and "extreme."
FWIW, IMO this is bad behavior and should never be done by anyone.
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Whooter - I think quite a few people are outraged about the ED site. I know I am. I think it alienates all sides. It engenders fear - and not the constructive kind. I am disgusted by it. I wouild like the person who wrote it to take it down.
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So, no evidence it was Pile? Maybe Whooter or SUCK IT or Pile of Shit is slicer. Why wouldn't he want to create something he can denounce and accuse "extremists" of doing? Like I said, it's not right in my book, but exactly who did it certainly isn't proven.
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I don’t support this. I won’t be contributing further to this runaway advertisement that this family does not deserve.
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Who knows if he got their number either?
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Hey, you said it, you prove it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of those other idiots. Evidence. It's required. All I have heard so far is "ask someone else." Just put up the proof is all I'm saying. You don't seem to have any.
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As you well know, the links go to Deperatment of health findings, articles, lawsuits, the Goverment of Accountability Office, etc, and are parked at organizations dedicated to protecting teens from human rights violations.
(Watch the GAO investigation into torture and imprisonment at "specitality schools." BTW
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 8FEE00F28F (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EFDA658FEE00F28F))
Similarly, Amnesty international parks articles, lawsuits, criminal investigation findings relating to human rights violations. The "fringe groups" you describe are no more fringe than amnesty internation, though that's a subjective opinion
But that's clear to anyone who follows the links. This John David Reuben (they say) character that calls itslf Whooter really doesn't want you (reader) to do that.
Ya bla bla bla, been said a million times over, every one knows where the information is and if you lump it all together it looks real gruesome but what your failing to report is this is spread over a long period of time and bad things happen in all facets of life.
Oh, I've been told I'm uneducated, illiterate, my grammar sucks and I write the most misunderstood sentences, ever ect......
But one thing I know I've earned my seat here the hard way, how about you.
Anne, that last comment came from AA, OK honey.
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Considering that "ED" would be done to Morgan daily, much more intensely, and without the privilege of closing the window and going on with life, because she'd be trapped in it, I find it supremely hilarious that her parents shouldn't be subject to such treatment.
:beat: I'm also shocked beyond belief that telling the truth is so abusive to parents but not to kids. I guess if I sugar coated it and blamed Vicki getting a gyneflex and fucking rockers on Morgan it would be okay. For fuck's sake, a damn cover or opening band?
It's also a shame she could only afford a chop-shop featherlift and over-muscle implants. Maybe if she sprung for the real deal and looked less plasticine she wouldn't have the money left to try to send Morgan of to get remade. I'd also recommend some veneers or just some grinding so your canines don't give you away as a vampire, Vick. Just between you an' me.
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Whooter, the only reason you're still here is because the people who run fornits let their dogma run out in front of their karma and give you equal time. The same reason I'm here is why you are. I suggest you embrace me with both arms lest you have to shill elsewhere.
Morgan, your mother decided to send you to a program with spirit guides so she could go cheat on your dad again. Why are you okay with this, and why is your dad such a damned wimp? Why doesn't he spend his own money, tell her to make him a sandwich, and actually be a parent? Such fragile egos for people keen on paying hand over fist to have you forcibly remodeled into the kind of daughter all of his coworkers act like they have and what mommy thinks she deserves.
If the Gausses really want it gone I'm sure ED would love to have a few new servers and a barbecue grill for Sheneequa. Weev could use some defense money too.
Happy 7/12 y'all.
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I don’t support this. I won’t be contributing further to this runaway advertisement that this family does not deserve.
So they should quietly have her tortured in obscurity?
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Jesus, woman.
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I don’t support this. I won’t be contributing further to this runaway advertisement that this family does not deserve.
So they should quietly have her tortured in obscurity?
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And you Pile of Dead Kids are torturing Morgan's family with your fucked up antics.
No, I'm just contributing to ED. Someone else put the page up.
Neither of us are really torturing them, but their dirty laundry is quite hilarious. Sheds light into "program prone families" doesn't it?
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
Someone who figured out during some epiphany of a healing process that 'isolated incidents happen' is hardly someone who should be speaking about the efficacy of programs.
The entire methodology they support, the very structure of the "program" is not therapeutic but instead very injurious in many, many ways.
A program is like "ED-ing" someone every second of every day.
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Danny, I said it twice already. Stop selectively reading and try to read the whole post, please. Let me reiterate: I think this is not right. Unfortunately, there's nothing any of us can do about it.
I also looked at the other tabs on that page and it is clearly postsed by "slicer," not "Pile of Dead Kids." I can only go by what is evident. And, Danny, again, you have not been here long enough to see how Whooter operates. He has, in fact, posed as other people before in order to post inflammatory items to make "Fornits" look bad.
So all I said is "we don't know who did this" and am asking for proof it was Pile, which nobody seems to have. That's all I'm saying. You're on the "don't persecute poor Whooter" wagon, but here you are "piling on" Pile with no evidence whatsoever. None. You repeatedly ask other posters for "proof" of their claims, yet are quick to jump someone you don't like when the opportunity arises, even with no proof whatsover. That's all I'm pointing out.
The people who demand "proof" here for every little commonly-known factoid are the same one's going off half-cocked with no evidence because they believe they can use this perception to their advantage, i.e. painting "Fornits" as extreme.
To me it's just weird that Whooter and SUCK IT go off for days about "extremism" and get their asses handed to them via debate then all of a sudden, by magic a "Fornits poster" does something "extreme" and they start creating aliases to rat pack the "Fornits poster." To me, this is exactly Whooter's M.O. and anyone who has seen him do this many, many times over the years wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be him. I'm not accusing Whooter of this, but I have just as much evidence it's him as I do Pile: none.
Danny, did you notice when I kept asking for proof, none was ever offered? All I have seen so far is that Pile posted a link to this page. Are you going to suggest that everyone who posts a link is also responsible for creating the content of that link? I doubt it. It's absurd to make that argument. When it's all you've got, I guess it'll have to do, but that doesn't hold water and we all know that.
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
Someone who figured out during some epiphany of a healing process that 'isolated incidents happen' is hardly someone who should be speaking about the efficacy of programs.
The entire methodology they support, the very structure of the "program" is not therapeutic but instead very injurious in many, many ways.
A program is like "ED-ing" someone every second of every day.
and this comment is what separates you and myself. Keep reading your Socio/Pych books. Ya know whats dangerous is a programmee that goes to college for the sake of helping there own. Your fucking insane usually, at best neurotic.
Keep reading........you may find yourself one day.
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
Someone who figured out during some epiphany of a healing process that 'isolated incidents happen' is hardly someone who should be speaking about the efficacy of programs.
The entire methodology they support, the very structure of the "program" is not therapeutic but instead very injurious in many, many ways.
A program is like "ED-ing" someone every second of every day.
and this comment is what separates you and myself. Keep reading your Socio/Pych books. Ya know whats dangerous is a programmee that goes to college for the sake of helping there own. Your fucking insane usually, at best neurotic.
Keep reading........you may find yourself one day.
Your reading comprehension sucks, your sentences make no sense, your grammar is retarded, and I was never in a program.
But yeah, how dare someone study and take data and be scientific. We should go by our feelings! Yeah!
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Danny, I said it twice already. Stop selectively reading and try to read the whole post, please. Let me reiterate: I think this is not right. Unfortunately, there's nothing any of us can do about it.
I also looked at the other tabs on that page and it is clearly postsed by "slicer," not "Pile of Dead Kids." I can only go by what is evident. And, Danny, again, you have not been here long enough to see how Whooter operates. He has, in fact, posed as other people before in order to post inflammatory items to make "Fornits" look bad.
So all I said is "we don't know who did this" and am asking for proof it was Pile, which nobody seems to have. That's all I'm saying. You're on the "don't persecute poor Whooter" wagon, but here you are "piling on" Pile with no evidence whatsoever. None. You repeatedly ask other posters for "proof" of their claims, yet are quick to jump someone you don't like when the opportunity arises, even with no proof whatsover. That's all I'm pointing out.
The people who demand "proof" here for every little commonly-known factoid are the same one's going off half-cocked with no evidence because they believe they can use this perception to their advantage, i.e. painting "Fornits" as extreme.
To me it's just weird that Whooter and SUCK IT go off for days about "extremism" and get their asses handed to them via debate then all of a sudden, by magic a "Fornits poster" does something "extreme" and they start creating aliases to rat pack the "Fornits poster." To me, this is exactly Whooter's M.O. and anyone who has seen him do this many, many times over the years wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be him. I'm not accusing Whooter of this, but I have just as much evidence it's him as I do Pile: none.
Danny, did you notice when I kept asking for proof, none was ever offered? All I have seen so far is that Pile posted a link to this page. Are you going to suggest that everyone who posts a link is also responsible for creating the content of that link? I doubt it. It's absurd to make that argument. When it's all you've got, I guess it'll have to do, but that doesn't hold water and we all know that.
Fair enough, your a good dude. But here is something why is he not disputing it, does he get some sick pleasure out of this attention.
DJ, for the last time also, don't tell me what I know or don't know about Whooter, lets just venture out there a little, I think I know a little bit more then you.
You don't know who is creating aliases yet you insinuate, just the other day you were saying that Whooter was "suck it" how did you find out he is not. ADmin tell you....
This is what I mean about all this shit, it all means "NOTHING" in the big picture. What we have here is opposing opinions not some big conspiracy, Jesus this is the same thing you folks have created with the TTI.
It is pretty much the reason I don't talk with a said Admin anymore because I would not buy into a crazy theory about Charlie Crist and TTI and Mr. Magoo.....AA and all the other conspiracy theories.
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
Someone who figured out during some epiphany of a healing process that 'isolated incidents happen' is hardly someone who should be speaking about the efficacy of programs.
The entire methodology they support, the very structure of the "program" is not therapeutic but instead very injurious in many, many ways.
A program is like "ED-ing" someone every second of every day.
and this comment is what separates you and myself. Keep reading your Socio/Pych books. Ya know whats dangerous is a programmee that goes to college for the sake of helping there own. Your fucking insane usually, at best neurotic.
Keep reading........you may find yourself one day.
Your reading comprehension sucks, your sentences make no sense, your grammar is retarded, and I was never in a program.
But yeah, how dare someone study and take data and be scientific. We should go by our feelings! Yeah!
and here we have another emotional retard who loves to hang on web site ass. Go find your own. Ya know I had already guessed you weren't but had to confirm, thanks.
As I said before I am illiterate and enjoy my freedom.
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Danny, I said it twice already. Stop selectively reading and try to read the whole post, please. Let me reiterate: I think this is not right. Unfortunately, there's nothing any of us can do about it.
I also looked at the other tabs on that page and it is clearly postsed by "slicer," not "Pile of Dead Kids." I can only go by what is evident. And, Danny, again, you have not been here long enough to see how Whooter operates. He has, in fact, posed as other people before in order to post inflammatory items to make "Fornits" look bad.
So all I said is "we don't know who did this" and am asking for proof it was Pile, which nobody seems to have. That's all I'm saying. You're on the "don't persecute poor Whooter" wagon, but here you are "piling on" Pile with no evidence whatsoever. None. You repeatedly ask other posters for "proof" of their claims, yet are quick to jump someone you don't like when the opportunity arises, even with no proof whatsover. That's all I'm pointing out.
The people who demand "proof" here for every little commonly-known factoid are the same one's going off half-cocked with no evidence because they believe they can use this perception to their advantage, i.e. painting "Fornits" as extreme.
To me it's just weird that Whooter and SUCK IT go off for days about "extremism" and get their asses handed to them via debate then all of a sudden, by magic a "Fornits poster" does something "extreme" and they start creating aliases to rat pack the "Fornits poster." To me, this is exactly Whooter's M.O. and anyone who has seen him do this many, many times over the years wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be him. I'm not accusing Whooter of this, but I have just as much evidence it's him as I do Pile: none.
Danny, did you notice when I kept asking for proof, none was ever offered? All I have seen so far is that Pile posted a link to this page. Are you going to suggest that everyone who posts a link is also responsible for creating the content of that link? I doubt it. It's absurd to make that argument. When it's all you've got, I guess it'll have to do, but that doesn't hold water and we all know that.
DJ, as an observation you come across as super paranoid... "Whooter is posting as this one and that one". I am not any of those people you speak about, but who cares who they are? Why not respond with what "you" think and contribute "your" thoughts instead of trying to second guess everyone else and translate what you think everyone else is saying or who they are. It looks foolish.
If you want to troll me that is fine, I can take it, but try to keep it to the thread you created "thewho/rueben", most people read it so you will be able to get your point across there. That helps to clear the other threads for balanced discussions.
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BTW I'm already posting from jail you just don't know it yet.
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You can't earn trust when you publically humiliate and violate people. You can't advise with credibility now. This type of exposure is not only ineffective but destructive. It is a type of emotional terrorism. It's an extreme act conducted to feel powerful - with no positive good. It is totally selfish.
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You can't earn trust when you publically humiliate and violate people. You can't advise with credibility now. This type of exposure is not only ineffective but destructive. It is a type of emotional terrorism. It's an extreme act conducted to feel powerful - with no positive good. It is totally selfish.
I'm skeletor. I'm literally the worst person ever.
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So you admit, you don't really care if kids go to programs or not. You just like extreme acts.
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Uh what? Of course I do.
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Niles, hit me up on yahoo. I'm curious to know what really is going on because I know how you boys work. A tip for everyone here, complaining and howling will not get the ED post removed. Don't get thinking I'm going to do anything about it either. I have no say in this and want none in it. I'm just curious to know what is going on in the background because I'm having a hard time believing there isn't more to this than meets the eye.
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Cult, Prisons, kidnapping and Gulag should tip the reader off that the person represents a fringe hate group. .
Shut up, fool!
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The above describes kidanpping. Any "boarding school" that uses thugs who use violence or threat of violence to force human beings into thier facility are gulags, and will use violence to prevent escape as well as to acheive capture. The links provide you with material to read about methods used to prevent escape of the prisoners. TheWho understands that teens are kept prisoner in these facitilites. Its frightening to theink how deceptive such an entity is capable of being, especiailly considering he has a "fiduciary interest" in Aspen.
So basically you link to other fringe groups to back up your story, but nothing credible? Do you have anything from a major newspaper? They usually put kidnappings on the front page. In fact it carries the death penalty in some states so it would be taken very seriously. How about a police report?
I think the way your sham works is one website makes up a story and then other websites link to it to give the appearance it is a credible story, but you basically have nothing. I have never seen a report of a child being kidnapped and held in a boarding school and held with the threat of violence.
I suspect that you may be mentally ill, Kleenex.
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Actually what kleenex said makes a lot more sense than most of what you write on here.
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
Someone who figured out during some epiphany of a healing process that 'isolated incidents happen' is hardly someone who should be speaking about the efficacy of programs.
The entire methodology they support, the very structure of the "program" is not therapeutic but instead very injurious in many, many ways.
A program is like "ED-ing" someone every second of every day.
:notworthy: :tup:
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
Someone who figured out during some epiphany of a healing process that 'isolated incidents happen' is hardly someone who should be speaking about the efficacy of programs.
The entire methodology they support, the very structure of the "program" is not therapeutic but instead very injurious in many, many ways.
A program is like "ED-ing" someone every second of every day.
and this comment is what separates you and myself. Keep reading your Socio/Pych books. Ya know whats dangerous is a programmee that goes to college for the sake of helping there own. Your fucking insane usually, at best neurotic.
Keep reading........you may find yourself one day.
Your reading comprehension sucks, your sentences make no sense, your grammar is retarded, and I was never in a program.
But yeah, how dare someone study and take data and be scientific. We should go by our feelings! Yeah!
:roflmao: :beat: :rofl:
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
Someone who figured out during some epiphany of a healing process that 'isolated incidents happen' is hardly someone who should be speaking about the efficacy of programs.
The entire methodology they support, the very structure of the "program" is not therapeutic but instead very injurious in many, many ways.
A program is like "ED-ing" someone every second of every day.
and this comment is what separates you and myself. Keep reading your Socio/Pych books. Ya know whats dangerous is a programmee that goes to college for the sake of helping there own. Your fucking insane usually, at best neurotic.
Keep reading........you may find yourself one day.
Your reading comprehension sucks, your sentences make no sense, your grammar is retarded, and I was never in a program.
But yeah, how dare someone study and take data and be scientific. We should go by our feelings! Yeah!
and here we have another emotional retard who loves to hang on web site ass. Go find your own. Ya know I had already guessed you weren't but had to confirm, thanks.
As I said before I am illiterate and enjoy my freedom.
I guess what you were trying to say here is that Niles was "putting off intellectual" or something?
A person shouldn't think too much, huh?
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The funny part is that the programmies just stumbled upon this accidentally while looking for information to relieve their own "ED problems."
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
Someone who figured out during some epiphany of a healing process that 'isolated incidents happen' is hardly someone who should be speaking about the efficacy of programs.
The entire methodology they support, the very structure of the "program" is not therapeutic but instead very injurious in many, many ways.
A program is like "ED-ing" someone every second of every day.
and this comment is what separates you and myself. Keep reading your Socio/Pych books. Ya know whats dangerous is a programmee that goes to college for the sake of helping there own. Your fucking insane usually, at best neurotic.
Keep reading........you may find yourself one day.
Your reading comprehension sucks, your sentences make no sense, your grammar is retarded, and I was never in a program.
But yeah, how dare someone study and take data and be scientific. We should go by our feelings! Yeah!
and here we have another emotional retard who loves to hang on web site ass. Go find your own. Ya know I had already guessed you weren't but had to confirm, thanks.
As I said before I am illiterate and enjoy my freedom.
I guess what you were trying to say here is that Niles was "putting off intellectual" or something?
A person shouldn't think too much, huh?
:rofl: :rofl: Some folk take pride in their ignorance.
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The Disappearing Intellectual in the Age of Economic Darwinism (http://http://www.truth-out.org/the-disappearing-intellectual-age-economic-darwinism61287)
Monday 12 July 2010
by: Henry A. Giroux, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed[/list]
In case you imagine that that Op-Ed might be too dry, check out the following soon to be published book by the same author:
Hearts of Darkness: Torturing Children in the War on Terror (The Radical Imagination) (http://http://www.amazon.com/Hearts-Darkness-Torturing-Children-Imagination/dp/1594518262)
By Henry A. Giroux
Product Details
- Paperback: 128 pages
[li]Publisher: Paradigm Publishers (August 15, 2010) - Language: English
- ISBN-10: 1594518262
- ISBN-13: 978-1594518263
[/li][/list]
See also: http://www.henryagiroux.com (http://www.henryagiroux.com).
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Listen this is a bunch of bullshit, get off Whooter ass and go get your buddies and rip them a new asshole, most of you probably already know who this "sick fuck" (you know who I'm talking to)is/was who posted this crap. So lets stop with the games, this is not about Whooter and deal with your own people. Your people (we are not "one"here this proves it) did this, they are out of control.
Typical fornits ego bull lets try and beat Whooter down and gain the upper hand, DJ where are you going with your last comment, either you are playing games or you have gone overboard. Is it that important to make Whooter look bad, are we that fixated on him that we can't see the larger picture. Damn....who cares if we agree...damn it.
Paul there are and were many isolated experiences and incidents, that is a fact. I had to do a lot of separating during my healing process to understand this personally. My outlook on the TTI as I have explained allows for isolated incidents to happen, I do not automatically lump every experience/incident into the same mix.
Someone who figured out during some epiphany of a healing process that 'isolated incidents happen' is hardly someone who should be speaking about the efficacy of programs.
The entire methodology they support, the very structure of the "program" is not therapeutic but instead very injurious in many, many ways.
A program is like "ED-ing" someone every second of every day.
and this comment is what separates you and myself. Keep reading your Socio/Pych books. Ya know whats dangerous is a programmee that goes to college for the sake of helping there own. Your fucking insane usually, at best neurotic.
Keep reading........you may find yourself one day.
Your reading comprehension sucks, your sentences make no sense, your grammar is retarded, and I was never in a program.
But yeah, how dare someone study and take data and be scientific. We should go by our feelings! Yeah!
and here we have another emotional retard who loves to hang on web site ass. Go find your own. Ya know I had already guessed you weren't but had to confirm, thanks.
As I said before I am illiterate and enjoy my freedom.
I guess what you were trying to say here is that Niles was "putting off intellectual" or something?
A person shouldn't think too much, huh?
:rofl: :rofl: Some folk take pride in their ignorance.
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The Disappearing Intellectual in the Age of Economic Darwinism (http://http://www.truth-out.org/the-disappearing-intellectual-age-economic-darwinism61287)
Monday 12 July 2010
by: Henry A. Giroux, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed[/list]
In case you imagine that that Op-Ed might be too dry, check out the following soon to be published book by the same author:
Hearts of Darkness: Torturing Children in the War on Terror (The Radical Imagination) (http://http://www.amazon.com/Hearts-Darkness-Torturing-Children-Imagination/dp/1594518262)
By Henry A. Giroux
Product Details
- Paperback: 128 pages
[li]Publisher: Paradigm Publishers (August 15, 2010) - Language: English
- ISBN-10: 1594518262
- ISBN-13: 978-1594518263
[/li][/list]
See also: http://www.henryagiroux.com (http://www.henryagiroux.com).
Ignorance;
The state or fact of being ignorant lack of knowledge, education, or awareness.
I would like to add, The state of being free of fornits knowledge, education and awareness, yes everyone remain ignorant.
Ursus I actually take these comments as compliments, thank you. I am so happy that after 30 years I am a much freer, heathlier, stable person then you could claim. I mean look at you, you act like your still in your first year of college trying to gain acceptance with the boys. You copy and paste my boy.
Now comments on my grammar, sentence structure, spelling ect.....Bla Bla Bla. Boy we sure got Danny on that.... :waaaa: :waaaa:
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Right, kick ass. Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're fucked up. Ah, you talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.
(http://http://upload.offensivex.com/images/idiocracy.jpg)
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Right, kick ass. Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're fucked up. Ah, you talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.
(http://http://upload.offensivex.com/images/idiocracy.jpg)
Anne, when you try to act like you are one of the boys, you look goofy.
Doesn't one of your lawyers need your assistance with a case. Giddy up and go to work.
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Ignorance;
The state or fact of being ignorant lack of knowledge, education, or awareness.
I would like to add, The state of being free of fornits knowledge, education and awareness, yes everyone remain ignorant.
Ursus I actually take these comments as compliments, thank you. I am so happy that after 30 years I am a much freer, heathlier, stable person then you could claim. I mean look at you, you act like your still in your first year of college trying to gain acceptance with the boys. You copy and paste my boy.
Now comments on my grammar, sentence structure, spelling ect.....Bla Bla Bla. Boy we sure got Danny on that.... :waaaa: :waaaa:
Ya know, Danny, I probably shouldn't have replied to that post above given that my main point wasn't at all directed towards you personally. It's just that ya gave me such a perfect lead-in; I guess I just couldn't resist. :D
The fact is, I really do see this cultivation of "ignorance as an ideal" as endemic to a far larger problem, of which the troubled teen industry is but a part of, albeit all too symptomatic of...
In addition to the above reading, folks might also want to check out Giroux's previous book:
(http://http://media.us.macmillan.com/jackets/258H/9780230613294.jpg)
Youth in a Suspect Society (http://http://us.macmillan.com/youthinasuspectsociety)
Democracy or Disposability?
Henry A. Giroux
Palgrave Macmillan, September 2009
ISBN: 978-0-230-61329-4, ISBN10: 0-230-61329-2,
5 1/2 x 8-1/4 inches, 256 pages, [/list]
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I think the problem her is danny was skipped over for his puff puff pass and is being a little twit about it.
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Niles gets busted trying to delete his original post. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30797 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30797) Read the first paragraph.
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Covergaard has written a blog post about this case and he is angry:
Sometime the fight for human rights feels like a lost cause (http://http://secret-prisons-for-teens.blogspot.com/2010/07/sometime-fight-for-human-rights-feels.html), Secret Prisons for Teens blogpost, July 14, 2010
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That blog post was beautifully written.
The flame wars that occur here, even amongst survivors (yes, I am thinking Elan, especially), and the crude page posted on ED does nothing constructive. I sometimes feel the threads here perpetuate the attack dynamic. I understand debate, even indignation, and anger, but crude abuse and the continual attempts to degrade others only reflect on ourselves.
I really appreciate the thoughtful approach by Covergaard. Thank you. Maybe he can reach out to Morgan's parents?
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That blog post was beautifully written.
The flame wars that occur here, even amongst survivors (yes, I am thinking Elan, especially), and the crude page posted on ED does nothing constructive. I sometimes feel the threads here perpetuate the attack dynamic. I understand debate, even indignation, and anger, but crude abuse and the continual attempts to degrade others only reflect on ourselves.
I really appreciate the thoughtful approach by Covergaard. Thank you. Maybe he can reach out to Morgan's parents?
Yes it was a good piece to read. I don't agree with most of covergaard points but I will not argue them now. I also don't agree that Morgan was not helped here, she was and believe me she took the good advice and left the rest behind. Morgan is still being helped, discreetly now.
I happen to have attended Elan and always feel a slight need to defend our folks, as I have always said Samara, unless your side of the street is paved with gold keep your comments to yourself. This is not necessarily a attack, just stating my strong opinion (as you did,concerning Elan).
As for your opinion above, (aside from Elan) it is hard to argue, your right. I have to get back to expressing my opinions and experiences in a more cordial manner, without the anger.
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Hey, DB. I get what you are saying about me pointing out specifically the Elan site. I am actually striving for understanding. When I first came to this board 6 years, it was a different entity, more robust and less driven by insincere extremists. Things could get raw, but ideas were debated... I learned a lot checking out different sites, such as Straight, WWASP, CEDU, and the Seed. Elan was a site that I never desired to visit after a few tastes (and never posting.) From the beginning, it seemed that it centered almost entirely around personal attacks and flame wars, so it was not an appealing region. Things have devolved around here in the past four years in general, but Elan always seemed particularly noteworthy from the beginning. I'm actually curious why I feel that way about the Elan site and trying to get a sense of the discretionary culture. I would say that -ESPECIALLY 5-6 years ago - each thread had its own vibe. I probably got the most out of The Seed (which is virtually inactive now) because it explored issues without the personal vendettas. So, I'm just trying to figure out why Elan always left me cold from a socio-curiosity angle. yeah, I know that doesn't make sense. But it's the same as me being fascinated by the CEDU-Straight cultural differences. Obviously, Cedu and Straight used similar methodologies, but seemed to attract a different type of kid. There is a different tenor between the 2 groups. Even in person, I could tell you who went to CEDU and who went to Straight. I don't know anyone personally from Elan like I do from CEDU or Straight, but it definitely has its own distinctive flavor. Just trying to figure out why that is. I've always been interested in group identity.
I am glad Morgan is being helped, I hope by someone discerning.
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Hey, DB. I get what you are saying about me pointing out specifically the Elan site. I am actually striving for understanding. When I first came to this board 6 years, it was a different entity, more robust and less driven by insincere extremists. Things could get raw, but ideas were debated... I learned a lot checking out different sites, such as Straight, WWASP, CEDU, and the Seed. Elan was a site that I never desired to visit after a few tastes (and never posting.) From the beginning, it seemed that it centered almost entirely around personal attacks and flame wars, so it was not an appealing region. Things have devolved around here in the past four years in general, but Elan always seemed particularly noteworthy from the beginning. I'm actually curious why I feel that way about the Elan site and trying to get a sense of the discretionary culture. I would say that -ESPECIALLY 5-6 years ago - each thread had its own vibe. I probably got the most out of The Seed (which is virtually inactive now) because it explored issues without the personal vendettas. So, I'm just trying to figure out why Elan always left me cold from a socio-curiosity angle. yeah, I know that doesn't make sense. But it's the same as me being fascinated by the CEDU-Straight cultural differences. Obviously, Cedu and Straight used similar methodologies, but seemed to attract a different type of kid. There is a different tenor between the 2 groups. Even in person, I could tell you who went to CEDU and who went to Straight. I don't know anyone personally from Elan like I do from CEDU or Straight, but it definitely has its own distinctive flavor. Just trying to figure out why that is. I've always been interested in group identity.
I am glad Morgan is being helped, I hope by someone discerning.
I believe she did get help and is getting help. As Paul said, man some of us here at Fornits have to take a step back and realize at times we are actually being called on at times, to help people. That is when we should put away are differences and genuinely help.
Whooter as everyone else, expressed advice that could rationally be used, I sincerely doubt Whooter or anyone with different opinions would send a child to a program that would harm them, just to make a buck. Sorry not picking up what you folks are laying down about Whoot, Suck IT or me for that matter.
Suck IT forcasted this disaster long before it happened, anything taken to the extreme will explode.
Samara these folks are not one of us, I know that sounds discriminating (I'm sorry) but their extreme behavior shows their nativity. They are trying to fit in to a society that has to be experienced first hand, you can't necessarily study/research your way in, you will miss the little innuendos only a survivor can understand. I hope that did not come out as bad as it sounds.
I am not going to have much to say about Elan because if you have read my posts from 10/09 till now, I have had a strange journey with them myself but that being said I am still a Elanian ( as far as my identification here) and I will put my ass on the line for any of these folks, whether they like me or not.
I am partial to Straight because majority of my friends in Atlanta were from Straight, also have a few friends in Florida. I have "behind the scenes" supported Straight survivors for well over 20 years.
As for Seed, Cedu and WWASP still learning about, Oh also know about Hyde School, a very close friend went there a long time ago.
Still learning here, it has been a very interesting ride so far.