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The Seed Discussion Forum / I need a ride
« on: July 28, 2006, 10:23:14 PM »
I remember that & I remember TRUCKER!! Still Love you guys!
Chris
Chris
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The Seed Discussion Forum / When did the Seed close on SR84?
« on: January 06, 2006, 10:18:00 PM »
That was alot of fun Greg, my son is still in Memphis with his Mom & I have been up to visit (from Baton Rouge where I am temporarily displaced because of Katrina) him 3 times now. He is a little more serious now, turned 14 in October, has discovered girls and is about 5' 7" and quite good looking (if I do brag so myself!)
I will definitely give you a shout when I come over this summer with John, Hope everyone's New Year is GReat, cause it has to be better than 2005!!!! Love you guys!
I will definitely give you a shout when I come over this summer with John, Hope everyone's New Year is GReat, cause it has to be better than 2005!!!! Love you guys!
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The Seed Discussion Forum / some specific staff members
« on: December 30, 2005, 10:13:00 PM »
Dave Crock, he was an old-timer that was already a graduate when I came on the program, became staff at Straight, Inc
Nick ?Leverone Papantanio ??(?) staffer at the St Pete seed, dark skin Italian or Sicilian heavy NY accent
John Underwood ? staffer supposedly a heroin addict from New York
Billy the midget ? staff member from lauderdale
Dennis Nowak (or Novak) ? staff member had a younger brother named Kenny was also on staff
Big Black Arthur ___________ -senior staff could be quite intimidating, but actually a softy
Susie Conners ? staff from Ft Laud
Darlene __________ - staff, red head
Libby ______ - staff
Cliff ____________
Bob Wakus ?senior staff in SP 74-75
Pam ___________ -staff
Enie Peterman? - staff SP
Dan Hubble ? oldtimer in SP staffer at one time in Lauderdale
Doug Summers - on staff in SP
Ken Harbough - oldtimer in SP lived at the house near Bayfront, became staff briefly in SP
Dana Denard ? black staffer dated and married Karen ________(?)
Penny Denard ? Dana?s sister also on staff in St Pete
Bob Rocke - staff member with Red Hair, had a younger brother with black hair,
Mike Rocke who was also on staff for a while, they moved in with the guys at the apartment for a while & then to Fort Lauderdale, were both involved in the tennis court business venture
Maggie Canfield- oldtimer from SP became staff in Ft lauderdale
Nick ?Leverone Papantanio ??(?) staffer at the St Pete seed, dark skin Italian or Sicilian heavy NY accent
John Underwood ? staffer supposedly a heroin addict from New York
Billy the midget ? staff member from lauderdale
Dennis Nowak (or Novak) ? staff member had a younger brother named Kenny was also on staff
Big Black Arthur ___________ -senior staff could be quite intimidating, but actually a softy
Susie Conners ? staff from Ft Laud
Darlene __________ - staff, red head
Libby ______ - staff
Cliff ____________
Bob Wakus ?senior staff in SP 74-75
Pam ___________ -staff
Enie Peterman? - staff SP
Dan Hubble ? oldtimer in SP staffer at one time in Lauderdale
Doug Summers - on staff in SP
Ken Harbough - oldtimer in SP lived at the house near Bayfront, became staff briefly in SP
Dana Denard ? black staffer dated and married Karen ________(?)
Penny Denard ? Dana?s sister also on staff in St Pete
Bob Rocke - staff member with Red Hair, had a younger brother with black hair,
Mike Rocke who was also on staff for a while, they moved in with the guys at the apartment for a while & then to Fort Lauderdale, were both involved in the tennis court business venture
Maggie Canfield- oldtimer from SP became staff in Ft lauderdale
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The Seed Discussion Forum / Maggies Friend thread
« on: December 12, 2005, 10:18:00 PM »
Oopps, that was me, new computer!
Chris
Chris
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The Seed Discussion Forum / Good Friends/Reunions Only
« on: December 09, 2005, 09:40:00 PM »
OOOpps, that was me,
Chris
Chris
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The Seed Discussion Forum / Should some distinctions be made ?
« on: December 09, 2005, 09:38:00 PM »
Even though I was not initially voluntary I realized quickly that I needed help, unlike alot of others who have posted to the contrary I began experimenting at 13 so by the time I went in at 16 I had tried & used almost every drug around at the time (even snorted a little H, was terrified of needles though, good thing.)
I readily admit because of my extreme nature the Seed saved my life, and gave me a way to get out of the drug scene til at least college. Even though I got back into experimenting & ultimately using for "recreational" purposes again & managed to remain "functional" hell some thought succesful! It wasn't until 1991 that I admitted my root problem was alcohol.
All the rest for me is just intellectual banter, BUT I do love it! & respect all of you for your beliefs and strong opinions!
Much love,
Chris
I readily admit because of my extreme nature the Seed saved my life, and gave me a way to get out of the drug scene til at least college. Even though I got back into experimenting & ultimately using for "recreational" purposes again & managed to remain "functional" hell some thought succesful! It wasn't until 1991 that I admitted my root problem was alcohol.
All the rest for me is just intellectual banter, BUT I do love it! & respect all of you for your beliefs and strong opinions!
Much love,
Chris
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The Seed Discussion Forum / Teenage Wasteland
« on: December 09, 2005, 09:28:00 PM »
Dark Side of the Moon....
the whole album did it & still does it for me
Boston, More than a feeling & the whole Third Stage album
Little River Band, America, the Eagles...
I listen to alot of different newer groups now because of my kids, most of it is pretty good stuff, Saliva, shawn colvin, staind, blink 182, coldplay, norah jones, creed, godsmack, yellowcard, hoobastank, killers, los lonely boys, lincoln park, modest mouse, davin mcgraw, switchfoot,
its all good, LYPO
the whole album did it & still does it for me
Boston, More than a feeling & the whole Third Stage album
Little River Band, America, the Eagles...
I listen to alot of different newer groups now because of my kids, most of it is pretty good stuff, Saliva, shawn colvin, staind, blink 182, coldplay, norah jones, creed, godsmack, yellowcard, hoobastank, killers, los lonely boys, lincoln park, modest mouse, davin mcgraw, switchfoot,
its all good, LYPO
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The Seed Discussion Forum / I was going to write Dear Greg, but even titles seem it be m
« on: December 01, 2005, 06:04:00 PM »
The healing is in both sides; asking for and the act of forgiving...I recently reached out to someone by writing them a letter, asking for their forgiveness, even if I never hear from them, and I told them in my letter it was not neccesary, I still felt better, somehow in someway by giving up that old grudge, defense, resentment, whatever you want to call it, I felt better inside (& not just a relief of guilt, because I really had nothing to feel guilty about) I felt that by asking for forgiveness I had also forgiven them...after 25 years...
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The Seed Discussion Forum / Seed Dream
« on: December 01, 2005, 05:53:00 PM »
"I on occasion had weird dreams about the seed. I used to have them often during the years immediately preceeding my time there."
I had far more dreams about my 1st wife than I did about the Seed... I think it was because I did not feel like I had to many unresolved issues about the Seed but quite a number with my first marriage...
I had far more dreams about my 1st wife than I did about the Seed... I think it was because I did not feel like I had to many unresolved issues about the Seed but quite a number with my first marriage...
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The Seed Discussion Forum / Fibro and others
« on: December 01, 2005, 05:44:00 PM »
There would not be too many people in the world...
I have never met someone's family yet that did not have some sort of dysfuntion in it...maybe not as serious or as much but there is always something that isn't quite right
I have never met someone's family yet that did not have some sort of dysfuntion in it...maybe not as serious or as much but there is always something that isn't quite right
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The Seed Discussion Forum / Memories of being clean and sober
« on: December 01, 2005, 05:40:00 PM »
Quote "I think on my experience and I wonder why you guys feel the need to get so "strokey" and pet each other for living and getting through life. Isn't that what we should be doing anyway? Hell, we all live life."
I give the strokes, because I like the strokes, strokes and pets are good, good....
"If the stove is hot - don't touch it. It's the lesson I was taught, it's the lesson I taught my kid. I guess I am just that simplisitic."
Err.. yes that is pretty simplistic...I think the point is that yes some of us (very few) have the ability or the will, or power to do it on our own, whatever the "it" is, give up, sacrifice, change, love, start doing something, stop doing something... I just always found it so much better, easier, sweeter,(insert adjective) meant more and continues to mean more (to me, no one else) when I made the commitment to a group and shared my success with a group, whether this is your friends, colleagues, AA group, family, church, higher power or yourself (provided of course there is more than one voice...) no seriously though,
Also everyone makes mistakes, slips, screw ups, thats a part of being human, just because something doesn't work the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 8th ... time doesn't mean you just give up... the fun is in the trip not the arrival. Hell it took me 4 times to quit smoking (working on 8+ years this time), but I kept trying, Love you guys & gals!
I give the strokes, because I like the strokes, strokes and pets are good, good....
"If the stove is hot - don't touch it. It's the lesson I was taught, it's the lesson I taught my kid. I guess I am just that simplisitic."
Err.. yes that is pretty simplistic...I think the point is that yes some of us (very few) have the ability or the will, or power to do it on our own, whatever the "it" is, give up, sacrifice, change, love, start doing something, stop doing something... I just always found it so much better, easier, sweeter,(insert adjective) meant more and continues to mean more (to me, no one else) when I made the commitment to a group and shared my success with a group, whether this is your friends, colleagues, AA group, family, church, higher power or yourself (provided of course there is more than one voice...) no seriously though,
Also everyone makes mistakes, slips, screw ups, thats a part of being human, just because something doesn't work the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 8th ... time doesn't mean you just give up... the fun is in the trip not the arrival. Hell it took me 4 times to quit smoking (working on 8+ years this time), but I kept trying, Love you guys & gals!
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The Seed Discussion Forum / Hurricane Wilma
« on: October 27, 2005, 03:42:00 PM »
"FEMA is a joke. People waited hours at one spot only to be told they weren't coming. Amazing UPS can get to her. "
It was my experience that next time there is another Catastrophe the government should turn over relief coordination to Fedex, UPS & WALMART.... :grin:
Good to hear there was no one hurt...
It was my experience that next time there is another Catastrophe the government should turn over relief coordination to Fedex, UPS & WALMART.... :grin:
Good to hear there was no one hurt...
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The Seed Discussion Forum / How did you tell your children, spouse about the Seed?
« on: October 23, 2005, 10:14:00 PM »
"That is, we seem to expect too much from other people, we tend to tell people things about us they haven't earned the right to know, and when people dissapoint us over things that to others just seem so common, we dismiss our friendships with them or tell them off in a way that seems extreme to them."
Greg - this is exactly what I am dealing with right now... & it is difficult, also as an answer to a later posed question. I think part of my "compulsion" (or not) to spill my guts up front (or early on) was to see if the person was going to run away or not... I also have no allusions about myself I am a very difficult person to live with... just ask my two x's... But in all seriousness I like the idea that Stripe proposes about finding someone who doesn't mind the baggage rather than not having any...
I am a hopeless romantic and I will not give up
Greg - this is exactly what I am dealing with right now... & it is difficult, also as an answer to a later posed question. I think part of my "compulsion" (or not) to spill my guts up front (or early on) was to see if the person was going to run away or not... I also have no allusions about myself I am a very difficult person to live with... just ask my two x's... But in all seriousness I like the idea that Stripe proposes about finding someone who doesn't mind the baggage rather than not having any...
I am a hopeless romantic and I will not give up
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The Seed Discussion Forum / How did you tell your children, spouse about the Seed?
« on: October 22, 2005, 02:19:00 PM »
quote "I've always been more a lightening strikes person, so I think all those dating rules are bullshit when you meet the right one at the right time. Why wait for two days if you don't want to? I've never had a serious relationship with someone where we both knew all those stupid rules don't qualify the minute we met. And I've never wasted my time if either one of us is half assed."...
My problem (or is it?) is that at this point in my life (48) I don't feel like I have all the time in the world (left) to wait for "lightning" to strike. I also am not so sure that is really the best thing, i.e. the romantic concept that you meet someone and "you just know" or "things click" I mean I am pretty romantic for a guy and I am more interested in a good friend as well as a good toss, but I am not so sure that "lightning is going to strike again?. I also felt like I should "act my age" and date age appropriate ladies, but I really have to agree with Greg that so far anyway most of the ladies I have dated in their 40's & 50's (early) have a fair amount of baggage or pre-concieved notions of the way things should be / ought to be and quite frankly seem much more uptight about things. I just feel like I am much more open about my feelings than the ladies I have been seeing, and when I express myself they shut down. So I am back to simply pursueing good friendships, I figure a good friend (female) to spend time & enjoy things with is better than going it alone. Thanks for the advice & feedback I appreciate all the different perspectives. & I can use all the help I can get!!
My problem (or is it?) is that at this point in my life (48) I don't feel like I have all the time in the world (left) to wait for "lightning" to strike. I also am not so sure that is really the best thing, i.e. the romantic concept that you meet someone and "you just know" or "things click" I mean I am pretty romantic for a guy and I am more interested in a good friend as well as a good toss, but I am not so sure that "lightning is going to strike again?. I also felt like I should "act my age" and date age appropriate ladies, but I really have to agree with Greg that so far anyway most of the ladies I have dated in their 40's & 50's (early) have a fair amount of baggage or pre-concieved notions of the way things should be / ought to be and quite frankly seem much more uptight about things. I just feel like I am much more open about my feelings than the ladies I have been seeing, and when I express myself they shut down. So I am back to simply pursueing good friendships, I figure a good friend (female) to spend time & enjoy things with is better than going it alone. Thanks for the advice & feedback I appreciate all the different perspectives. & I can use all the help I can get!!
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The Seed Discussion Forum / How did you tell your children, spouse about the Seed?
« on: October 20, 2005, 12:09:00 AM »
"I used to have this problem where I felt compelled to tell everyone everything, not specifically about the seed but a sort of full life confessional" My close friendships all had a tendency to be very intense, HONEST, processing-- then they would explode, usually ended like breakups. I had to learn to retain my autonomy socially." Jesus can I relate, this one took me a looonnnggg time to figure out. And now just starting to date again after my 22 year marriage ended a little over a year ago I am having to re-learn this all over again, and you hit it right on the head Not12now, I also found it almost like a compulsion, when I started to realize it was not always the right way to handle things I had to almost force myself to hold my tongue. I finally had to realize that very few people have actually done any sort of work on self or self -examination and even fewer folks have done it with a halfway honest eye... I chased off (literally) three ladies because within the first few dates I felt like I had to relate my entire life experience(s), I never have been very good at that patience thing. You know what is even worse (& I can hear the come-downs already!!!) was learning HOW to play games again with the women that I am dating. You know... wait 2 days to call, always leave them wanting more, don't say too much about how you feel, play or act nonchalant, don't always say yes, be mysterious... YEAH I know it is a bunch of crap, BUT you know what? It works, unbelieveable but true. All the crap you see on Lifetime about women in the 40's wanting a "good man" who is touch with his feelings... it's a lie! So far from what I have experienced the succesful ladies in their 40's are busy with their careers or families or kids, etc...so far it has not left a lot of room for me, anyway Wah Wah Wah :cry2: