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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 09, 2007, 04:38:52 PM
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Looks like both Hyde campuses are a little off their enrollment targets.
From the Boarding School Review Website:
The Hyde School Campuses Each of the two boarding school campuses enrolls 220 students in grades 9 through 12, with limited post graduate student acceptances.
From the Hyde Website:
Hyde-Bath opened on Monday, September 10, with an enrollment of 157 students and their families attending. Hyde-Bath boasts 30 native Maine students representing Portland and Bath, among other towns. The student body also represents 28 states and 7 countries.
Woodstock, CT—Hyde School, a national leader in character-based education, opened its doors for the 2007-2008 school year September 10 to 167 students. The student body is varied this year; coming from Connecticut, New York, California and even far away Washington and Alaska. There are 2 international students this year, a brother and sister from Japan.
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Hey
I hear yall are lookin for Head of School. If you're interested in gittin' some one to fix your enrollment problems, let me know. I will send my salary requirements.
Hugs and Kisses
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Ah, fer chrissakes, Ed, when will ya ever learn?! We jes didn't have enough "qualified candidates" this year for some reason. Plus we wanna give these kids our undivided attention... fewer runaways, and complaints, har har! We plan to do a most thorough job "re-educating" the young minds of tomorrow!
Paternally yours,
Joseph W. Gauld, The Educator
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There most certainly is a big drop in enrollment at Hyde Woodstock and Hyde Bath! What do you attribute this to? Do you think the truth is getting out about Hyde?
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There most certainly is a big drop in enrollment at Hyde Woodstock and Hyde Bath! What do you attribute this to? Do you think the truth is getting out about Hyde?
I think it is a direct result of imagining a reality without Hyde.
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Looks like both Hyde campuses are a little off their enrollment targets.
From the Boarding School Review Website:
The Hyde School Campuses Each of the two boarding school campuses enrolls 220 students in grades 9 through 12, with limited post graduate student acceptances.
From the Hyde Website:
Hyde-Bath opened on Monday, September 10, with an enrollment of 157 students and their families attending. Hyde-Bath boasts 30 native Maine students representing Portland and Bath, among other towns. The student body also represents 28 states and 7 countries.
Woodstock, CT—Hyde School, a national leader in character-based education, opened its doors for the 2007-2008 school year September 10 to 167 students. The student body is varied this year; coming from Connecticut, New York, California and even far away Washington and Alaska. There are 2 international students this year, a brother and sister from Japan.
So, Jake, any clue or comment you'd care to make? It seems you've had more recent visceral involvement than some of us "elderly statesmen" here have experienced of late...
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The therapy industry is shutting them out with cause. The AA/AAlon outward bound model Joe mirrored is in trouble. Mal and Laura are aware of the need to change.They must accept that there time may be limited headed in the current direction. The new Head of School will be the sign of the new era. I'll make every effort to help them along with Truth over Harmoney.
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The therapy industry is shutting them out with cause. The AA/AAlon outward bound model Joe mirrored is in trouble. Mal and Laura are aware of the need to change.They must accept that there time may be limited headed in the current direction. The new Head of School will be the sign of the new era. I'll make every effort to help them along with Truth over Harmoney.
The AA/Outward Bound model is not in enough trouble. That same model is used by pretty much every other institution and program out there for troubled teens and they are raking in the bucks like there is no tomorrow. NATSAP took a big hit last week during the GAO hearings, but those punches do not address the industry as a whole, rather one specific organization that wasn't doing the job it claimed to be. Nevertheless, it was a badly needed piece of publicity for a seamy, sordid world that the average Joe has little knowledge about.
I am sure Hyde will try to distance itself from this world, as it always has, much as alluded to by "Guest" in 'The 10 Priorities' thread a few hours ago.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23309&start=156 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23309&start=156)
To me the inclusion of the phrase "character education" does not alter my perception of what Hyde really is, since I have personal experience with Hyde that says otherwise. But I am sure it does a real number on the average person who has not been down that road yet.
It remains to be seen just how much Hyde will be able to distance itself and how successful that distancing will be as far as its marketing campaign goes. Usage of "character-infused" terminology by these other programs certainly obfuscates matters; unfortunately, these terms are too generalized and already in too common usage to register as trademarks. Terminology associated with 'The Biggest Job' will be where they try to go next, I imagine. Did you notice that they registered "The Biggest Job" as a trademark?
BTW, who is the new Headmaster at Bath? Woodstock? What are Laurie and Paul officially doing these days?
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I'll make every effort to help them along with Truth over Harmoney.
:tup: ::seg::
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Summary of the original post, enrollments for the 2007-2008 academic year:
157
Hyde-Woodstock: enrollment of 167[/list]
From Guidestar, re. Bath campus (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=337067):HYDE SCHOOL WAS FOUNDED TO PROVIDE A PRIVATE SCHOOL EDUCATION WHICH CENTERS UPON INDIVIDUAL GROWTH AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE TEACHING OF VALUES AND COURAGE, INTEGRITY, CONCERN FOR OTHERS, LEADERSHIP AND CURIOSITY. APPROXIMATELY
296 STUDENTS ATTENDED THE SCHOOL IN THE YEAR ENDED JUNE 30, 2006.[/list]
From Guidestar, re. Woodstock campus (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=618742):HYDE SCHOOL IN SOUTH WOODSTOCK, CT WAS FOUNDED TO PROVIDE A GRADE 7-12 PRIVATE SCHOOL EDUCATION WHICH CENTERS UPON INDIVIDUAL GROWTH AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE TEACHING OF VALUES, COURAGE, INTEGRITY, CONCERN FOR OTHERS, LEADERSHIP AND CURIOSITY. APPROXIMATELY
312 STUDENTS ATTENDED THE SCHOOL DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED JUNE 30, 2006[/list]
Either the numbers they reported for last year are excessively inflated, or enrollment has gone way down. Perhaps they are including the Summer Challenge students in with those figures. Does Woodstock have its own Summer Challenge, or is it only at Bath?
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RELAVENT GUIDESTAR LINKS for HYDE:
Boarding schools:
Hyde-Bath (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=337067)
Hyde-Woodstock (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=618742)[/list]
Public charter schools:
Hyde-DC (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=738402)
Hyde-Bronx (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=100852413)[/list]
Other:
The Hyde Foundation (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=499109)
F A S T INC. (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=161110)[/list]
Not sure:
THE@CIVA SCHOOL COMMUNITY COALITION (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=694808)[/list]
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Summary of the original post, enrollments for the 2007-2008 academic year:
157
Hyde-Woodstock: enrollment of 167[/list]
From Guidestar, re. Bath campus (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=337067):HYDE SCHOOL WAS FOUNDED TO PROVIDE A PRIVATE SCHOOL EDUCATION WHICH CENTERS UPON INDIVIDUAL GROWTH AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE TEACHING OF VALUES AND COURAGE, INTEGRITY, CONCERN FOR OTHERS, LEADERSHIP AND CURIOSITY. APPROXIMATELY
296 STUDENTS ATTENDED THE SCHOOL IN THE YEAR ENDED JUNE 30, 2006.[/list]
From Guidestar, re. Woodstock campus (http://http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=guidestar&npoId=618742):HYDE SCHOOL IN SOUTH WOODSTOCK, CT WAS FOUNDED TO PROVIDE A GRADE 7-12 PRIVATE SCHOOL EDUCATION WHICH CENTERS UPON INDIVIDUAL GROWTH AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE TEACHING OF VALUES, COURAGE, INTEGRITY, CONCERN FOR OTHERS, LEADERSHIP AND CURIOSITY. APPROXIMATELY
312 STUDENTS ATTENDED THE SCHOOL DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED JUNE 30, 2006[/list]
Either the numbers they reported for last year are excessively inflated, or enrollment has gone way down. Perhaps they are including the Summer Challenge students in with those figures. Does Woodstock have its own Summer Challenge, or is it only at Bath?
By their own admission, according to the Traub article, 40% drop out during the course of the year. According to one person cited in that part of the article, only 9 members of her class of 30 were still there. That's actually 30% remaining (70% dropped out). You would think they would start out with more students to compensate the attrition rate?
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You would think that after forty years of high attrition rates they would question the model.
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If you had a restaurant and 40% of the patrons walked out before finishing their meals you would fire the chef, change the menu, change something before you went out of business.
Hyde seems to survive or thrive on this model however. None of this would bother me except for the fact that families that need some sort of help end up there and get nothing that they can use. You could argue that number is around 40%, but I think it is higher. I never dropped out but as my mother said before she died, "Hyde did nothing for you."
I say this as a warning if you are reading this and think you should send your child there. You should have clear expectations of what your child's needs are. Make them explain how they are going to meet those needs. Get it in writing. I don't disagree with the Gaulds on everything. Being a parent is the most important job you will do in your life. Don't subcontract it to any one without clear expectations. Don't subcontract the job of parenting to some one with a one size fits all solution that may not fit your child or worse, damage your child. Hyde does not work for everyone. Based on the numbers of the attrition rate, odds are not great that it will work for you.
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Hyde seems to survive or thrive on this model however. None of this would bother me except for the fact that families that need some sort of help end up there and get nothing that they can use. You could argue that number is around 40%, but I think it is higher. I never dropped out but as my mother said before she died, "Hyde did nothing for you."
I say this as a warning if you are reading this and think you should send your child there. You should have clear expectations of what your child's needs are. ...Don't subcontract the job of parenting to some one with a one size fits all solution that may not fit your child or worse, damage your child. Hyde does not work for everyone. Based on the numbers of the attrition rate, odds are not great that it will work for you.
And it is not just that some families who need help, and who do not receive it, that one worries about. Some very serious damage has been done to some kids.
What makes these "tough love" programs uniquely dangerous is that they are led by amateurs who believe they are experts. No qualifications are needed to own, operate, or work with kids at such programs -- although they often employ some professionals, their influence is subsumed by the organizations' strict rules and regimes. And while they claim to treat serious mental illnesses and addictions, many of their tactics conflict with proven therapies for these conditions and they often don't even have the expertise to diagnose them properly.
The programs also tend to endorse an outdated view of teen problems in which confronting, humiliating, and degrading adolescents is seen as beneficial -- while kindness is stigmatized as "codependence" or "enabling." As leading addictions-outcomes researcher William Miller, Ph.D. put it in a recent paper, "Four decades of research have failed to yield a single clinical trial showing efficacy of confrontational counseling, whereas a number have documented harmful effects, particularly for more vulnerable populations."
Maia Szalavitz in Getting Tough on Private Prisons for Teens
(http://http)
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If you had a restaurant and 40% of the patrons walked out before finishing their meals you would fire the chef, change the menu, change something before you went out of business.
They like to tell you its sushi, but its really regular old cod thats been sitting on the dock for half the day.
According to one person cited in that part of the article, only 9 members of her class of 30 were still there. That's actually 30% remaining (70% dropped out).
70% got sick from food poisoning.
Only 30% get to the dessert course (graduation). Those remaining get awards for ironclad stomachs.
But some get sick later anyway.
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Sushi is for panty-waist wusses. Gimme some o' that Limburger CHEESE!!!!! (http://http://www.chocodog.com/chocodog/ween/ween_new/cheese2.mp3) The smellier, the better, har de har har har!!
Joe-Joe Ironsides, The Educator
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www.lemonparty.org (http://www.lemonparty.org)
Ursus,
Enjoy your Sumner Hawleyday.
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Do look at that lemon shit. Here is my pick for homo voyeurism:
http://youporn.com/watch/19389 (http://youporn.com/watch/19389)
Love the JT sound track. HE was great before game 2. It IS just a loverly ride.
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Loosing 70 percent of your class in any academic setting is actually pretty common. Of my freshman class in university only 25 percent of us graduated. Public schools, high schools that is, tend to have their own drop out rates and student transfers. What those numbers are I have no idea. Given that they are public institutions I wouldn't compare them to a private duckfarm like Hyde.
Hyde survives not by the number of students that graduates, but by the number of students that walk in the door as new students every year.
So long as hyde can keep its overall population over a certain level the number of graduating students is of no consquence as I'm sure Hyde has become quite adept at manipulating the facts to make some sort of plausible explanation avaliable to those few parents who even bother to ask.
More than likely the majority of our current parenting herd would be content with general statements like, "Well 90 percent of our graduates go onto college!"
"coughs... don't mind the fact that only 30 percent actually survive this shithole."
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lemonparty eh?
Lols.. quite the classic that one.
I prefer this site:
http://www.old-picture.com/middle-east/Jeruselam-City-of.htm
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Loosing 70 percent of your class in any academic setting is actually pretty common. Of my freshman class in university only 25 percent of us graduated. Public schools, high schools that is, tend to have their own drop out rates and student transfers. What those numbers are I have no idea. Given that they are public institutions I wouldn't compare them to a private duckfarm like Hyde.
Hyde survives not by the number of students that graduates, but by the number of students that walk in the door as new students every year.
So long as hyde can keep its overall population over a certain level the number of graduating students is of no consquence as I'm sure Hyde has become quite adept at manipulating the facts to make some sort of plausible explanation avaliable to those few parents who even bother to ask.
More than likely the majority of our current parenting herd would be content with general statements like, "Well 90 percent of our graduates go onto college!"
"coughs... don't mind the fact that only 30 percent actually survive this shithole."
Hey not unusual in a collegiate setting. I hardly think it is the norm for secondary education. It certainly is not a recommendation for the Hyde model that seeks to supplant the current secondary school model.
I did a major/minor Comp Sci/Electrical Engineering. The 101 courses were in auditoriums the 200 300 level course were in intimate setting where we all knew each other's names. A good deal of the drop outs ended up in business school. I was amused at how light the math requirements for the education majors that were going to teach Math.
I really though it was funny that a hyde grad posted in the wikipedia that Hyde education was based on a compass that has five points then listed four. Cant count, no clue about a compass: there is a fine example of hyde education, one of the "elite" 30%.
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Loosing 70 percent of your class in any academic setting is actually pretty common. Of my freshman class in university only 25 percent of us graduated. Public schools, high schools that is, tend to have their own drop out rates and student transfers. What those numbers are I have no idea. Given that they are public institutions I wouldn't compare them to a private duckfarm like Hyde.
Hyde survives not by the number of students that graduates, but by the number of students that walk in the door as new students every year.
So long as hyde can keep its overall population over a certain level the number of graduating students is of no consquence as I'm sure Hyde has become quite adept at manipulating the facts to make some sort of plausible explanation avaliable to those few parents who even bother to ask.
More than likely the majority of our current parenting herd would be content with general statements like, "Well 90 percent of our graduates go onto college!"
"coughs... don't mind the fact that only 30 percent actually survive this shithole."
Qualitative difference, though. If you don't make the grade in public school or university, it's usually because you're not smart enough. If you don't make it at Hyde, it's because you're not a good enough human being -- or so Hyde would have you believe.
Nice site.
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I must point out that the Hyde education stress Attitude over Aptitude. The wiki poster posted the misinformation with great character and a good attitude. That is the important thing.
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By all means there can be no comparison of Hyde with a university other than to point out that the costs typically come out of pocket.
My point isn't to compare Hyde's academically to a university. However, I do contend that the same sort of winnowing process occurs in both a university as does hyde. The factors that fuel the winnowing process are completely different mind you.
again to illustrate
1000 new students go to university x... 300 graduate
100 new students go to hyde.. 30 graduate..
How does hyde stay afloat?
Nothing to do with how many graduate and everything to do with how many students they gain every year versus how many they loose. Universities and Hyde depend on a certain population level to keep their doors open. By all means don't ignore the endowments and other financial support that comes from various 3rd party organizations as well.
ps.. anyone up for trolling the wiki site?
I think that lemonparty.org link would be much better on a pro-hyde wiki.
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It certainly is not a recommendation for the Hyde model that seeks to supplant the current secondary school model.
Dear god man.. the current secondary ed system is fucked up enough! Do we want the likes of Joesph Gauld making it worst?
I'm guessing from the contents of this forum that I'm safe in assuming the answer would be a nearly collective no.
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ps.. anyone up for trolling the wiki site?
I think that lemonparty.org link would be much better on a pro-hyde wiki.
I'll be rooting for you. Leave poor old Sumner Hawley out of it, though. I don't want to besmirch his memory because of something someone overheard on the subway.
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indeed.. a foul deed so direly needed.
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ps.. anyone up for trolling the wiki site?
I think that lemonparty.org link would be much better on a pro-hyde wiki.
I'll be rooting for you. Leave poor old Sumner Hawley out of it, though. I don't want to besmirch his memory because of something someone overheard on the subway.
My vote is to stop slander a old dead guy as long as we can still slander the living Hydies with impunity.
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ps.. anyone up for trolling the wiki site?
I think that lemonparty.org link would be much better on a pro-hyde wiki.
I'll be rooting for you. Leave poor old Sumner Hawley out of it, though. I don't want to besmirch his memory because of something someone overheard on the subway.
My vote is to stop slander a old dead guy as long as we can still slander the living Hydies with impunity.
I think there's enough to indict Hyde on if we confine ourselves to our own personal experiences.
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ps.. anyone up for trolling the wiki site?
I think that lemonparty.org link would be much better on a pro-hyde wiki.
I'll be rooting for you. Leave poor old Sumner Hawley out of it, though. I don't want to besmirch his memory because of something someone overheard on the subway.
My vote is to stop slander a old dead guy as long as we can still slander the living Hydies with impunity.
I think there's enough to indict Hyde on if we confine ourselves to our own personal experiences.
But anonymous slander is such a pleasant diversion from the work a day worries of a character education failure.
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ps.. anyone up for trolling the wiki site?
I think that lemonparty.org link would be much better on a pro-hyde wiki.
I'll be rooting for you. Leave poor old Sumner Hawley out of it, though. I don't want to besmirch his memory because of something someone overheard on the subway.
My vote is to stop slander a old dead guy as long as we can still slander the living Hydies with impunity.
I think there's enough to indict Hyde on if we confine ourselves to our own personal experiences.
But anonymous slander is such a pleasant diversion from the work a day worries of a character education failure.
Did you ever think about what you could do to help someone else? Hyde was so right about you.
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Dead or not dead, there are people still alive right now still haunted and damaged by what Hyde's former and in some case, still current, staff did to them. Are people saying that we should suffer to save someone's good name for the sake of a dead person's sensibilities?
Just how "good" was that name? Good enough to warrant destroying other people's lives who suffer from those lies?
I say let the truth out and let the chips lay right there where they deserve to lay.
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ps.. anyone up for trolling the wiki site?
I think that lemonparty.org link would be much better on a pro-hyde wiki.
I'll be rooting for you. Leave poor old Sumner Hawley out of it, though. I don't want to besmirch his memory because of something someone overheard on the subway.
My vote is to stop slander a old dead guy as long as we can still slander the living Hydies with impunity.
I think there's enough to indict Hyde on if we confine ourselves to our own personal experiences.
But anonymous slander is such a pleasant diversion from the work a day worries of a character education failure.
Did you ever think about what you could do to help someone else? Hyde was so right about you.
Damn you are so right. I never think of others. Always in it the game for my own game. And yes I am dead because that is were Hyde said I would be by now.
But unfortunately for Hyde I am still alive (it ain't no luck, I learned to duck)and I have a pretty strong track record of public service.
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Dead or not dead, there are people still alive right now still haunted and damaged by what Hyde's former and in some case, still current, staff did to them. Are people saying that we should suffer to save someone's good name for the sake of a dead person's sensibilities?
Just how "good" was that name? Good enough to warrant destroying other people's lives who suffer from those lies?
I say let the truth out and let the chips lay right there where they deserve to lay.
This is simply irresistible, Ursus. I am sure those of us who read your posts on Sumner Hawley, Sabina, Ron Sanner, Cecilia whoever, and a host of other Hyde faculty you've never even laid eyes on indeed had a good laugh upon reading your last paragraph.
As usual, your message shows that one can read a lot and still understand very little. The troubled teen industry is a deep and subtle subject and there is no shame in not knowing all of it (I for one make no claim about being an expert, though I know a thing or two about the subject). Just a small clarification: What one poster did was to report a rumor about Sumner Hawley having had an affair with a colleague. This is a very interesting and juicy piece of gossip, but it tells us eventually NOTHING about the correctness of the rumor. You subsequently altered this rumor into another of your own invention that Sumner was a child molester.
But all this is besides the point. The trouble is with your "methodology" of "proving" things by quotations (your own qotations, other people's, articles, posts, etc.). Can you really imagine that there is any one of us who would not love to decide the correctness of all the information we absorb? (If for no better reason, to enhance our own chances of survival?) I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar. But this is of course a repeating pattern for you, Ursus. You simply do not understand what it means to establish truth. Perhaps there are fields where proofs by quotations are accepted, but not in any area I would like to be associated with. Finally, let me repeat my suggestion that we speak only about subjects on which we have some basic understanding. This is a forum for adults, after all.
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Dead or not dead, there are people still alive right now still haunted and damaged by what Hyde's former and in some case, still current, staff did to them. Are people saying that we should suffer to save someone's good name for the sake of a dead person's sensibilities?
Just how "good" was that name? Good enough to warrant destroying other people's lives who suffer from those lies?
I say let the truth out and let the chips lay right there where they deserve to lay.
This is simply irresistible, Ursus. I am sure those of us who read your posts on Sumner Hawley, Sabina, Ron Sanner, Cecilia whoever, and a host of other Hyde faculty you've never even laid eyes on indeed had a good laugh upon reading your last paragraph.
As usual, your message shows that one can read a lot and still understand very little. The troubled teen industry is a deep and subtle subject and there is no shame in not knowing all of it (I for one make no claim about being an expert, though I know a thing or two about the subject). Just a small clarification: What one poster did was to report a rumor about Sumner Hawley having had an affair with a colleague. This is a very interesting and juicy piece of gossip, but it tells us eventually NOTHING about the correctness of the rumor. You subsequently altered this rumor into another of your own invention that Sumner was a child molester.
But all this is besides the point. The trouble is with your "methodology" of "proving" things by quotations (your own qotations, other people's, articles, posts, etc.). Can you really imagine that there is any one of us who would not love to decide the correctness of all the information we absorb? (If for no better reason, to enhance our own chances of survival?) I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar. But this is of course a repeating pattern for you, Ursus. You simply do not understand what it means to establish truth. Perhaps there are fields where proofs by quotations are accepted, but not in any area I would like to be associated with. Finally, let me repeat my suggestion that we speak only about subjects on which we have some basic understanding. This is a forum for adults, after all.
I think the rumor was that there was sex between Sumner and a returning alum named Phil, if I am not mistaken about his name. How is this less smarmy then Joe doing AVH? Surely not child molestation, but unseemly
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Dead or not dead, there are people still alive right now still haunted and damaged by what Hyde's former and in some case, still current, staff did to them. Are people saying that we should suffer to save someone's good name for the sake of a dead person's sensibilities?
Just how "good" was that name? Good enough to warrant destroying other people's lives who suffer from those lies?
I say let the truth out and let the chips lay right there where they deserve to lay.
This is simply irresistible, Ursus. I am sure those of us who read your posts on Sumner Hawley, Sabina, Ron Sanner, Cecilia whoever, and a host of other Hyde faculty you've never even laid eyes on indeed had a good laugh upon reading your last paragraph.
As usual, your message shows that one can read a lot and still understand very little. The troubled teen industry is a deep and subtle subject and there is no shame in not knowing all of it (I for one make no claim about being an expert, though I know a thing or two about the subject). Just a small clarification: What one poster did was to report a rumor about Sumner Hawley having had an affair with a colleague. This is a very interesting and juicy piece of gossip, but it tells us eventually NOTHING about the correctness of the rumor. You subsequently altered this rumor into another of your own invention that Sumner was a child molester.
But all this is besides the point. The trouble is with your "methodology" of "proving" things by quotations (your own qotations, other people's, articles, posts, etc.). Can you really imagine that there is any one of us who would not love to decide the correctness of all the information we absorb? (If for no better reason, to enhance our own chances of survival?) I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar. But this is of course a repeating pattern for you, Ursus. You simply do not understand what it means to establish truth. Perhaps there are fields where proofs by quotations are accepted, but not in any area I would like to be associated with. Finally, let me repeat my suggestion that we speak only about subjects on which we have some basic understanding. This is a forum for adults, after all.
I think the rumor was that there was sex between Sumner and a returning alum named Phil, if I am not mistaken about his name. How is this less smarmy then Joe doing AVH? Surely not child molestation, but unseemly
Meet me at the fence when you finish the wash.
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Meet me at the fence when you finish the wash.
:rofl:
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Dead or not dead, there are people still alive right now still haunted and damaged by what Hyde's former and in some case, still current, staff did to them. Are people saying that we should suffer to save someone's good name for the sake of a dead person's sensibilities?
Just how "good" was that name? Good enough to warrant destroying other people's lives who suffer from those lies?
I say let the truth out and let the chips lay right there where they deserve to lay.
This is simply irresistible, Ursus. I am sure those of us who read your posts on Sumner Hawley, Sabina, Ron Sanner, Cecilia whoever, and a host of other Hyde faculty you've never even laid eyes on indeed had a good laugh upon reading your last paragraph.
As usual, your message shows that one can read a lot and still understand very little. The troubled teen industry is a deep and subtle subject and there is no shame in not knowing all of it (I for one make no claim about being an expert, though I know a thing or two about the subject). Just a small clarification: What one poster did was to report a rumor about Sumner Hawley having had an affair with a colleague. This is a very interesting and juicy piece of gossip, but it tells us eventually NOTHING about the correctness of the rumor. You subsequently altered this rumor into another of your own invention that Sumner was a child molester.
But all this is besides the point. The trouble is with your "methodology" of "proving" things by quotations (your own qotations, other people's, articles, posts, etc.). Can you really imagine that there is any one of us who would not love to decide the correctness of all the information we absorb? (If for no better reason, to enhance our own chances of survival?) I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar. But this is of course a repeating pattern for you, Ursus. You simply do not understand what it means to establish truth. Perhaps there are fields where proofs by quotations are accepted, but not in any area I would like to be associated with. Finally, let me repeat my suggestion that we speak only about subjects on which we have some basic understanding. This is a forum for adults, after all.
I think the rumor was that there was sex between Sumner and a returning alum named Phil, if I am not mistaken about his name. How is this less smarmy then Joe doing AVH? Surely not child molestation, but unseemly
Meet me at the fence when you finish the wash.
It is a long walk to that fence. I can't walk on water like some of the denizens of your town could.
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Dead or not dead, there are people still alive right now still haunted and damaged by what Hyde's former and in some case, still current, staff did to them. Are people saying that we should suffer to save someone's good name for the sake of a dead person's sensibilities?
Just how "good" was that name? Good enough to warrant destroying other people's lives who suffer from those lies?
I say let the truth out and let the chips lay right there where they deserve to lay.
This is simply irresistible, Ursus. I am sure those of us who read your posts on Sumner Hawley, Sabina, Ron Sanner, Cecilia whoever, and a host of other Hyde faculty you've never even laid eyes on indeed had a good laugh upon reading your last paragraph.
As usual, your message shows that one can read a lot and still understand very little. The troubled teen industry is a deep and subtle subject and there is no shame in not knowing all of it (I for one make no claim about being an expert, though I know a thing or two about the subject). Just a small clarification: What one poster did was to report a rumor about Sumner Hawley having had an affair with a colleague. This is a very interesting and juicy piece of gossip, but it tells us eventually NOTHING about the correctness of the rumor. You subsequently altered this rumor into another of your own invention that Sumner was a child molester.
But all this is besides the point. The trouble is with your "methodology" of "proving" things by quotations (your own qotations, other people's, articles, posts, etc.). Can you really imagine that there is any one of us who would not love to decide the correctness of all the information we absorb? (If for no better reason, to enhance our own chances of survival?) I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar. But this is of course a repeating pattern for you, Ursus. You simply do not understand what it means to establish truth. Perhaps there are fields where proofs by quotations are accepted, but not in any area I would like to be associated with. Finally, let me repeat my suggestion that we speak only about subjects on which we have some basic understanding. This is a forum for adults, after all.
I think the rumor was that there was sex between Sumner and a returning alum named Phil, if I am not mistaken about his name. How is this less smarmy then Joe doing AVH? Surely not child molestation, but unseemly
Meet me at the fence when you finish the wash.
It is a long walk to that fence. I can't walk on water like some of the denizens of your town could.
The fence is pretty high too.
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Dead or not dead, there are people still alive right now still haunted and damaged by what Hyde's former and in some case, still current, staff did to them. Are people saying that we should suffer to save someone's good name for the sake of a dead person's sensibilities?
Just how "good" was that name? Good enough to warrant destroying other people's lives who suffer from those lies?
I say let the truth out and let the chips lay right there where they deserve to lay.
This is simply irresistible, Ursus. I am sure those of us who read your posts on Sumner Hawley, Sabina, Ron Sanner, Cecilia whoever, and a host of other Hyde faculty you've never even laid eyes on indeed had a good laugh upon reading your last paragraph.
As usual, your message shows that one can read a lot and still understand very little. The troubled teen industry is a deep and subtle subject and there is no shame in not knowing all of it (I for one make no claim about being an expert, though I know a thing or two about the subject). Just a small clarification: What one poster did was to report a rumor about Sumner Hawley having had an affair with a colleague. This is a very interesting and juicy piece of gossip, but it tells us eventually NOTHING about the correctness of the rumor. You subsequently altered this rumor into another of your own invention that Sumner was a child molester.
But all this is besides the point. The trouble is with your "methodology" of "proving" things by quotations (your own qotations, other people's, articles, posts, etc.). Can you really imagine that there is any one of us who would not love to decide the correctness of all the information we absorb? (If for no better reason, to enhance our own chances of survival?) I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar. But this is of course a repeating pattern for you, Ursus. You simply do not understand what it means to establish truth. Perhaps there are fields where proofs by quotations are accepted, but not in any area I would like to be associated with. Finally, let me repeat my suggestion that we speak only about subjects on which we have some basic understanding. This is a forum for adults, after all.
::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
Sorry, Mike, but you have a L O N G way to go to figure out just what I do or do not know. But, in time, you will figure some of that out and you will, no doubt, feel very very stupid making posts like that above. I'm not even going to bother touching that one, ha haa!
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Dead or not dead, there are people still alive right now still haunted and damaged by what Hyde's former and in some case, still current, staff did to them. Are people saying that we should suffer to save someone's good name for the sake of a dead person's sensibilities?
Just how "good" was that name? Good enough to warrant destroying other people's lives who suffer from those lies?
I say let the truth out and let the chips lay right there where they deserve to lay.
This is simply irresistible, Ursus. I am sure those of us who read your posts on Sumner Hawley, Sabina, Ron Sanner, Cecilia whoever, and a host of other Hyde faculty you've never even laid eyes on indeed had a good laugh upon reading your last paragraph.
As usual, your message shows that one can read a lot and still understand very little. The troubled teen industry is a deep and subtle subject and there is no shame in not knowing all of it (I for one make no claim about being an expert, though I know a thing or two about the subject). Just a small clarification: What one poster did was to report a rumor about Sumner Hawley having had an affair with a colleague. This is a very interesting and juicy piece of gossip, but it tells us eventually NOTHING about the correctness of the rumor. You subsequently altered this rumor into another of your own invention that Sumner was a child molester.
But all this is besides the point. The trouble is with your "methodology" of "proving" things by quotations (your own qotations, other people's, articles, posts, etc.). Can you really imagine that there is any one of us who would not love to decide the correctness of all the information we absorb? (If for no better reason, to enhance our own chances of survival?) I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar. But this is of course a repeating pattern for you, Ursus. You simply do not understand what it means to establish truth. Perhaps there are fields where proofs by quotations are accepted, but not in any area I would like to be associated with. Finally, let me repeat my suggestion that we speak only about subjects on which we have some basic understanding. This is a forum for adults, after all.
I think the rumor was that there was sex between Sumner and a returning alum named Phil, if I am not mistaken about his name. How is this less smarmy then Joe doing AVH? Surely not child molestation, but unseemly
Meet me at the fence when you finish the wash.
It is a long walk to that fence. I can't walk on water like some of the denizens of your town could.
The fence is pretty high too.
That is what I hear. I take your point: it is just a bunch of speculation. I happen to agree with you. I liked Sumner too. Leave the poor dead bastard alone.
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Sorry, Mike, but you have a L O N G way to go to figure out just what I do or do not know. But, in time, you will figure some of that out and you will, no doubt, feel very very stupid making posts like that above. I'm not even going to bother touching that one, ha haa!
Now you can understand the measure of the stupidity that I feel when I forget your insanity and treat you like an equal.
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i thnk the mik guy is a hyde troll + not very nice. not very smart. be careful ursis
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Sorry, Mike, but you have a L O N G way to go to figure out just what I do or do not know. But, in time, you will figure some of that out and you will, no doubt, feel very very stupid making posts like that above. I'm not even going to bother touching that one, ha haa!
Now you can understand the measure of the stupidity that I feel when I forget your insanity and treat you like an equal.
That is an important thing to remember when you are dealing with a former Hyde student. I was talking to this woman that was at Hyde when I was. The whole while I was listening to her I was thinking, "it is like she is still in a seminar in 1977." I was trying to reconcile that fact with the fact that this woman from outward appearances seems to be a normal human when I recalled a saying from AA: "some are sicker then others."
Now I know that that applies to me also, for what it is worth. I am just like hyde: still crazy.
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i thnk the mik guy is a hyde troll + not very nice. not very smart. be careful ursis
Mike's not very smart. Be very careful, Ursus.
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Did you ever think about what you could do to help someone else? Hyde was so right about you.
Damn you are so right. I never think of others. Always in it the game for my own game. And yes I am dead because that is were Hyde said I would be by now.
But unfortunately for Hyde I am still alive (it ain't no luck, I learned to duck) and I have a pretty strong track record of public service.
That's my wife's favorite line (minus the Hyde bit). Thought I'd try it out on you. :rofl:
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Did you ever think about what you could do to help someone else? Hyde was so right about you.
Damn you are so right. I never think of others. Always in it the game for my own game. And yes I am dead because that is were Hyde said I would be by now.
But unfortunately for Hyde I am still alive (it ain't no luck, I learned to duck) and I have a pretty strong track record of public service.
That's my wife's favorite line (minus the Hyde bit). Thought I'd try it out on you. :rofl:
Nice shot, You must have put some of that female chi into it. It got my knee to jerk.
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Did you ever think about what you could do to help someone else? Hyde was so right about you.
Damn you are so right. I never think of others. Always in it the game for my own game. And yes I am dead because that is were Hyde said I would be by now.
But unfortunately for Hyde I am still alive (it ain't no luck, I learned to duck) and I have a pretty strong track record of public service.
That's my wife's favorite line (minus the Hyde bit). Thought I'd try it out on you. :rofl:
Nice shot, You must have put some of that female chi into it. It got my knee to jerk.
Where was she when I needed her? I feel ready to face off against Ed Legg, the whole Hyde crew, and Hannibal Lecter too.
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23862 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23862)
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23862
Yeah, well, it looks like Billy Procida's back, folks. Wonder why he doesn't deign to show his face in here, eh? Maybe 'cuz this time he's trying to pass off a Maine connection (vs. the Woodstock one he touted earlier)? Curious.
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23862
Yeah, well, it looks like Billy Procida's back, folks. Wonder why he doesn't deign to show his face in here, eh? Maybe 'cuz this time he's trying to pass off a Maine connection (vs. the Woodstock one he touted earlier)? Curious.
Why are you going after Billy? Hey Billy, your feelings are no less valuable than any of ours. As my father used to say, "we can agree to disagree." I do not fault you for how you feel at this time. As you see, it is not until some of us get much older that we realize how toxic Hyde was for us. It will happen to you. You will see,........ but in the mean time remember that not all of us who passed through the halls of Hyde are here to judge you, rather we are here to get the past off our chests. Hyde did a lot of damage to a lot of people with the constant public humiliation and the other harmful tactics. One size does not fit all and not everyone is built the same to withstand the same humiliation. I am glad that for now Hyde has worked for you. I look forward to hearing more from you in about 10 years. Good luck to you buddy!
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23862
Yeah, well, it looks like Billy Procida's back, folks. Wonder why he doesn't deign to show his face in here, eh? Maybe 'cuz this time he's trying to pass off a Maine connection (vs. the Woodstock one he touted earlier)? Curious.
Why are you going after Billy? Hey Billy, your feelings are no less valuable than any of ours. As my father used to say, "we can agree to disagree." I do not fault you for how you feel at this time. As you see, it is not until some of us get much older that we realize how toxic Hyde was for us. It will happen to you. You will see,........ but in the mean time remember that not all of us who passed through the halls of Hyde are here to judge you, rather we are here to get the past off our chests. Hyde did a lot of damage to a lot of people with the constant public humiliation and the other harmful tactics. One size does not fit all and not everyone is built the same to withstand the same humiliation. I am glad that for now Hyde has worked for you. I look forward to hearing more from you in about 10 years. Good luck to you buddy!
Hyde is a disease. We hate the sickness not the sufferer. Do not blame the poster for being sick. We must help the poster understand the deep denial they are in by clinging to the lies feed them by Hyde that are causing the soul sickness. Hyde is a spiritual, physical and mental disease and the disease must be attracted on all fronts. The poster needs to accept fornit as a higher power to help him up from the morass of moral degradation.
Half measures will avail you nothing,poster. You must commit your self totally to fornits. Let go and let God. Come to understand that Hyde has made youe life unmanageable. The fact you are posting here is a good sign, IT means the last shred of goodness deep in your soul is not dead. Something deep inside you is screaming to be set free. Bet on the true poster. The truth will set you free but it will make you miserable as we the Doctor help you to grow into the person that deep down inside you are meant to be, your destiny, your unique potential. Only fornits can show you . Accept the group as you higher power. Fake it til you make it.
The Doctor (don't question the doctor)
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23862
Yeah, well, it looks like Billy Procida's back, folks. Wonder why he doesn't deign to show his face in here, eh? Maybe 'cuz this time he's trying to pass off a Maine connection (vs. the Woodstock one he touted earlier)? Curious.
Why are you going after Billy? Hey Billy, your feelings are no less valuable than any of ours. As my father used to say, "we can agree to disagree." I do not fault you for how you feel at this time. As you see, it is not until some of us get much older that we realize how toxic Hyde was for us. It will happen to you. You will see,........ but in the mean time remember that not all of us who passed through the halls of Hyde are here to judge you, rather we are here to get the past off our chests. Hyde did a lot of damage to a lot of people with the constant public humiliation and the other harmful tactics. One size does not fit all and not everyone is built the same to withstand the same humiliation. I am glad that for now Hyde has worked for you. I look forward to hearing more from you in about 10 years. Good luck to you buddy!
Hyde is a disease. We hate the sickness not the sufferer. Do not blame the poster for being sick. We must help the poster understand the deep denial they are in by clinging to the lies feed them by Hyde that are causing the soul sickness. Hyde is a spiritual, physical and mental disease and the disease must be attracted on all fronts. The poster needs to accept fornit as a higher power to help him up from the morass of moral degradation.
Half measures will avail you nothing,poster. You must commit your self totally to fornits. Let go and let God. Come to understand that Hyde has made youe life unmanageable. The fact you are posting here is a good sign, IT means the last shred of goodness deep in your soul is not dead. Something deep inside you is screaming to be set free. Bet on the true poster. The truth will set you free but it will make you miserable as we the Doctor help you to grow into the person that deep down inside you are meant to be, your destiny, your unique potential. Only fornits can show you . Accept the group as you higher power. Fake it til you make it.
The Doctor (don't question the doctor)
It's good that your paranoid schizophrenia has found a creative outlet. But you can never be cured.
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A nice chianti. Thk thk thk thk thk thk thk thk thk thk thk.
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It's good that your paranoid schizophrenia has found a creative outlet. But you can never be cured.
Ol' Bill never called the disease paranoid schizophrenia. That would have lost its moral biting edge, and absolved the abuser from living a hell of shame and inequity.
Ol' Joe sure loved doling out the inequity. All very well for him to live the holy roller lifestyle. I wonder just how many parents understand that connection to the molding of Hyde character?
:rofl: :rofl:
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A nice chianti. Thk thk thk thk thk thk thk thk thk thk thk.
I do wish we could chat longer, but... I'm having an old friend for dinner. Bye.
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23862
Yeah, well, it looks like Billy Procida's back, folks. Wonder why he doesn't deign to show his face in here, eh? Maybe 'cuz this time he's trying to pass off a Maine connection (vs. the Woodstock one he touted earlier)? Curious.
Why are you going after Billy? Hey Billy, your feelings are no less valuable than any of ours. As my father used to say, "we can agree to disagree." I do not fault you for how you feel at this time. As you see, it is not until some of us get much older that we realize how toxic Hyde was for us. It will happen to you. You will see,........ but in the mean time remember that not all of us who passed through the halls of Hyde are here to judge you, rather we are here to get the past off our chests. Hyde did a lot of damage to a lot of people with the constant public humiliation and the other harmful tactics. One size does not fit all and not everyone is built the same to withstand the same humiliation. I am glad that for now Hyde has worked for you. I look forward to hearing more from you in about 10 years. Good luck to you buddy!
Hyde is a disease. We hate the sickness not the sufferer. Do not blame the poster for being sick. We must help the poster understand the deep denial they are in by clinging to the lies feed them by Hyde that are causing the soul sickness. Hyde is a spiritual, physical and mental disease and the disease must be attracted on all fronts. The poster needs to accept fornit as a higher power to help him up from the morass of moral degradation.
Half measures will avail you nothing,poster. You must commit your self totally to fornits. Let go and let God. Come to understand that Hyde has made youe life unmanageable. The fact you are posting here is a good sign, IT means the last shred of goodness deep in your soul is not dead. Something deep inside you is screaming to be set free. Bet on the true poster. The truth will set you free but it will make you miserable as we the Doctor help you to grow into the person that deep down inside you are meant to be, your destiny, your unique potential. Only fornits can show you . Accept the group as you higher power. Fake it til you make it.
The Doctor (don't question the doctor)
It's good that your paranoid schizophrenia has found a creative outlet. But you can never be cured.
The only way you could know that is you have discovered that my thoughts are encoded in the audio beat frequency produced by listening PR's All Things Concidered and playing back the OReilly Radio factor from n-2 days thought a 1965 fender Prinston reverb amp with the tremolo set to 5 pre processed by a DBX model 128 compander.
The other possibility is you are a member of the illuminatii. I know they know I am on this board because AC just started posting here. Hey I have to run. I have an incoming from Tim O'Leary via the Venus star base.
Remeber: the bus takes you.
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23862
Yeah, well, it looks like Billy Procida's back, folks. Wonder why he doesn't deign to show his face in here, eh? Maybe 'cuz this time he's trying to pass off a Maine connection (vs. the Woodstock one he touted earlier)? Curious.
Why are you going after Billy? Hey Billy, your feelings are no less valuable than any of ours. As my father used to say, "we can agree to disagree." I do not fault you for how you feel at this time. As you see, it is not until some of us get much older that we realize how toxic Hyde was for us. It will happen to you. You will see,........ but in the mean time remember that not all of us who passed through the halls of Hyde are here to judge you, rather we are here to get the past off our chests. Hyde did a lot of damage to a lot of people with the constant public humiliation and the other harmful tactics. One size does not fit all and not everyone is built the same to withstand the same humiliation. I am glad that for now Hyde has worked for you. I look forward to hearing more from you in about 10 years. Good luck to you buddy!
Hyde is a disease. We hate the sickness not the sufferer. Do not blame the poster for being sick. We must help the poster understand the deep denial they are in by clinging to the lies feed them by Hyde that are causing the soul sickness. Hyde is a spiritual, physical and mental disease and the disease must be attracted on all fronts. The poster needs to accept fornit as a higher power to help him up from the morass of moral degradation.
Half measures will avail you nothing,poster. You must commit your self totally to fornits. Let go and let God. Come to understand that Hyde has made youe life unmanageable. The fact you are posting here is a good sign, IT means the last shred of goodness deep in your soul is not dead. Something deep inside you is screaming to be set free. Bet on the true poster. The truth will set you free but it will make you miserable as we the Doctor help you to grow into the person that deep down inside you are meant to be, your destiny, your unique potential. Only fornits can show you . Accept the group as you higher power. Fake it til you make it.
The Doctor (don't question the doctor)
It's good that your paranoid schizophrenia has found a creative outlet. But you can never be cured.
The only way you could know that is you have discovered that my thoughts are encoded in the audio beat frequency produced by listening PR's All Things Concidered and playing back the OReilly Radio factor from n-2 days thought a 1965 fender Prinston reverb amp with the tremolo set to 5 pre processed by a DBX model 128 compander.
The other possibility is you are a member of the illuminatii. I know they know I am on this board because AC just started posting here. Hey I have to run. I have an incoming from Tim O'Leary via the Venus star base.
Remeber: the bus takes you.
AC? Why do you mention AC to me? y u thik i now this ac guy?
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AC is a member of the NWO/illuminartii or a Reptilian or BOTH. He is hunting me. He is the one that publishes my thought in the aforementioned manner. They know I am the key to mankinds defense against the Reptilian Shape Shifter.
David Ickes
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AC is a member of the NWO/illuminartii or a Reptilian or BOTH. He is hunting me. He is the one that publishes my thought in the aforementioned manner. They know I am the key to mankinds defense against the Reptilian Shape Shifter.
David Ickes
Rediculous!
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Where are the Gaulds on the witches sabbet?
IS JOE A WARLOCK?
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ARE THERE BLACK MASSES AT HYDE SCHOOL?!
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::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll::
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By all means there can be no comparison of Hyde with a university other than to point out that the costs typically come out of pocket.
My point isn't to compare Hyde's academically to a university. However, I do contend that the same sort of winnowing process occurs in both a university as does hyde. The factors that fuel the winnowing process are completely different mind you.
again to illustrate
1000 new students go to university x... 300 graduate
100 new students go to hyde.. 30 graduate..
How does hyde stay afloat?
Nothing to do with how many graduate and everything to do with how many students they gain every year versus how many they loose. Universities and Hyde depend on a certain population level to keep their doors open. By all means don't ignore the endowments and other financial support that comes from various 3rd party organizations as well.
ps.. anyone up for trolling the wiki site?
I think that lemonparty.org link would be much better on a pro-hyde wiki.
The other difference is that when a student drops out at a university they will loose their money for that semester only and will not be obligated for the rest of the year. Hyde's con is that they take your money for the full year and will not refund it even if you drop out the first week. Hyde's administrators are scumbags and do not care about helping families as they say. They only care about enriching their pockets!!
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I wonder how many kids they take in, knowing that they will not last, and knowing that they will get the full tuition for the "trouble?" They do not release any data AT ALL about admission linked with length of stay at Hyde.
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Where are the Gaulds on the witches sabbet?
IS JOE A WARLOCK?
I hear JOE is going as FREUD this year.
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Where are the Gaulds on the witches sabbet?
IS JOE A WARLOCK?
I hear JOE is going as FREUD this year.
That id motherfucking scary
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Does anyone know what Hyde's enrollment is for 2008/09? Is it still declining? When I attended between 1970-74, there were always between 200-220 borders, and a few day students. It can't be very encouraging for the Gaulds if after 40 years they are continuously having to scramble to fill dorm rooms. I also find it curious that although the enrollment is going down, the endowment fund is rising. Very peculiar, indeed. One would think that they would decline in tandem.
And what is it with all the investment on campus improvements. They seem to spend a great deal of money on this. Is it because they feel obligated to spend the endowment money?
Any knowledgeable comments gratefully received.
FWB
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Does anyone know what Hyde's enrollment is for 2008/09? Is it still declining? When I attended between 1970-74, there were always between 200-220 borders, and a few day students. It can't be very encouraging for the Gaulds if after 40 years they are continuously having to scramble to fill dorm rooms. I also find it curious that although the enrollment is going down, the endowment fund is rising. Very peculiar, indeed. One would think that they would decline in tandem.
And what is it with all the investment on campus improvements. They seem to spend a great deal of money on this. Is it because they feel obligated to spend the endowment money?
Any knowledgeable comments gratefully received.
FWB
Somehow I kinda doubt enrollment numbers were ever that high 'till they started admitting girls, which was 1971 or 72, if I recall correctly (which I may very well not). Plus there was/is that uniquely high attrition rate... I've heard anywhere from 20-40%, but it was/is probably more like 20-25% unless there's a big bust that year... and that would certainly skew the actual enrollment depending on when in the year you sampled.
Probably the most reliable figures (that is, hopefully consistent from year to year, by whatever means they employ) would come from one of the more mainstream boarding school guides, such as Peterson's Guides, sadly not yet up to date on the current academic year. Here are some stats:
2004-2005: Bath - 221, Woodstock - 210; total: - 431
From: Private Secondary Schools 2004-2005 by Peterson's, Peterson's Guides Staff; Published by Peterson's, 2004; ISBN 0768913640, 9780768913644; 1512 pages
2006-2007: Bath - 207, Woodstock - 158; total - 365
From Peterson's webpage on Hyde (http://http://www.petersons.com/pschools/code/IDD.asp?orderLineNum=925337-1&reprjid=11&inunId=2710&typeVC=InstVC&sponsor=1) (specifically references the 2006-7 school year).
2007-2008: Bath - 200, Woodstock - 159; total - 359
From: Private Secondary Schools 2008 by Peterson's; Contributor Fern A. Oram; Published by Peterson's, 2007; ISBN 0768923999, 9780768923995; 1488 pages
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...I also find it curious that although the enrollment is going down, the endowment fund is rising. Very peculiar, indeed. One would think that they would decline in tandem.
And what is it with all the investment on campus improvements. They seem to spend a great deal of money on this. Is it because they feel obligated to spend the endowment money?...
I suspect the great push for financial acquisition may have more to do with their desire to increase the charter school program, and to expand the reach of the Biggest Job campaign. Incidentally, footprints of the latter have been showing up in fundy Christian formats. Somebody remind me to start posting about that if I don't get to it soon.
As to all the campus improvements? Hell knows. Perhaps it is something as prosaic as needing to kick back some improvements to the campuses (even though most of the funds aren't intended for them), given the source of most of that $$$. Perhaps it involves consideration for the vanity of benefactors whose names need to appear on some plaque, or perhaps some heavy contributor who owns a construction firm, and to whom "gratitude" is being expressed? Or, perhaps it is nothing more than "seeding" for more contributions down the road...
Hyde School administration keeps so many secrets about a lot of their underlying motivations; most of the faculty are not even privy to a lot of this.
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They are spending a lot on advertising & marketing, but enrollment is down.
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...I also find it curious that although the enrollment is going down, the endowment fund is rising. Very peculiar, indeed. One would think that they would decline in tandem.
And what is it with all the investment on campus improvements. They seem to spend a great deal of money on this. Is it because they feel obligated to spend the endowment money?...
I suspect the great push for financial acquisition may have more to do with their desire to increase the charter school program, and to expand the reach of the Biggest Job campaign. Incidentally, footprints of the latter have been showing up in fundy Christian formats. Somebody remind me to start posting about that if I don't get to it soon.
As to all the campus improvements? Hell knows. Perhaps it is something as prosaic as needing to kick back some improvements to the campuses (even though most of the funds aren't intended for them), given the source of most of that $$$. Perhaps it involves consideration for the vanity of benefactors whose names need to appear on some plaque, or perhaps some heavy contributor who owns a construction firm, and to whom "gratitude" is being expressed? Or, perhaps it is nothing more than "seeding" for more contributions down the road...
Hyde School administration keeps so many secrets about a lot of their underlying motivations; most of the faculty are not even privy to a lot of this.
Perhaps I just have a cynical streak, but if I was giving to Hyde, (which I am not BTW) I would look at the square foot cost for some of the buildings. I was told the total build cost for the family center and almost gagged when I walk the perimeter and did a rough order of the square foot cost. It is nothing fancy. It is like a stick frame Days Inn. It was about well above the market rate to put a building up at that time. The General on that project must have really cleaned up .... or ....
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http://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx ... 9Fu9gDQ%3D (http://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx?t=204&id=iBs29Fu9gDQ%3D)
Hyde School In Bath, Maine Opens For 2008–2009 Academic Year
10/7/2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 7, 2008
CONTACT: Casey F. Hill, 207-443-7121, [email protected]; Website: HYDE.EDU
Bath, ME – Hyde School, the national leader in family-based character education, opened Monday, September 8, with an enthusiastic community of students and their families enrolled. Hyde-Bath boasts 26 native Maine students representing Portland, Bath, and other local Maine cities. The student body also represents 28 states, and 10 countries— figures that keep climbing as Hyde continues to enroll students from across the country and around the world.
Hyde-Bath Head of School Don Macmillan says, “I have been impressed with the leadership the senior class is providing for the student body, and the faculty’s dedication to the kids and families has been exemplary. We have a great foundation upon which to build for the remainder of the year.”
Hyde complements the character-based college preparatory experience with a number of enrichment programs. The Hyde Wilderness School teaches teambuilding and develops problem-solving skills in outdoor learning environments. The Performing Arts program and music workshop provide an opportunity for students to explore and expand their creative expression. The athletic program strengthens team bonds and individuals’ self-esteem through physical rigor, competitive training, and team-oriented efforts geared toward bringing out the athlete in each participant.
The Hyde approach to education has been developed since 1966 at the Hyde boarding campuses in Bath, ME and Woodstock, CT, and through public school initiatives in New Haven, CT, Washington, DC, and Bronx, NY. The organization, based in Bath, also includes national parenting workshops.
College preparation through Hyde Schools is rigorous, with students taking primary responsibility for their learning. More than 96 percent of Hyde’s graduates are accepted at four-year colleges. To learn more about Hyde Schools, log onto www.Hyde.edu (http://http://www.Hyde.edu) or www.onlyathyde.org (http://http://www.onlyathyde.org).
But WHERE are the actual enrollment numbers?
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WHY are there always more boys than girls enrolled at Hyde?
Sometimes the ratio is even 2:1.
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Q: Why more boys?
A: Men are still the decision makers in most families when cash on the order of a year at Hyde is at stake. Men tend to have repressed hostility toward there male child because they see them as a rival for the affection of the mother. Men send their sons to Hyde as a hostile act. They banish the son to regain the affection of the mother Joe's take on how to tough love kids is based on the hostility he felt from his step father.
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Q: Why more boys?
A: Men are still the decision makers in most families when cash on the order of a year at Hyde is at stake. Men tend to have repressed hostility toward there male child because they see them as a rival for the affection of the mother. Men send their sons to Hyde as a hostile act. They banish the son to regain the affection of the mother Joe's take on how to tough love kids is based on the hostility he felt from his step father.
I have wondered, on occasion, whether Joe's stepfather ever threatened him with reform school (along with its concomitant pall on a stellar career course).
Much of the Hyde setup, especially in the early days, seemed like the guts of a reform school dressed up with the aesthetic trappings of a prep school. Maybe Joe thought he could give kids like himself -- rabble-rousing malcontents -- "a chance."
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Or is that 2:1 ratio a desired quota?
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Or is that 2:1 ratio a desired quota?
2:1 is certainly a less dull affair if you are the girl with the mousey hair.
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Q: Why more boys?
A: Men are still the decision makers in most families when cash on the order of a year at Hyde is at stake. Men tend to have repressed hostility toward there male child because they see them as a rival for the affection of the mother. Men send their sons to Hyde as a hostile act. They banish the son to regain the affection of the mother Joe's take on how to tough love kids is based on the hostility he felt from his step father.
I have wondered, on occasion, whether Joe's stepfather ever threatened him with reform school (along with its concomitant pall on a stellar career course).
Much of the Hyde setup, especially in the early days, seemed like the guts of a reform school dressed up with the aesthetic trappings of a prep school. Maybe Joe thought he could give kids like himself -- rabble-rousing malcontents -- "a chance."
I have only vague memories of Joe's stories of middle class hell in Wellsley Ma. I recall that the gist was when he was a kid he thought his step father was a bastard, but when he was older he realized how growing up in that situation made him tougher, gave him more character. I think Joe's childhood experience formed the basis of the Hyde Experience.
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Mousy hair is prematurely gray, or pulled back in a mousy ponytail?
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Mousy hair is prematurely gray, or pulled back in a mousy ponytail?
Good Mouse Hunting? :D
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WHY are there always more boys than girls enrolled at Hyde?
Sometimes the ratio is even 2:1.
Here are my thoughts on possible reasons:
- There are more delinquent boys than there are delinquent girls (I'm probably revealing some latent sexism here, lol).
- There is something about the Hyde environment that doesn't pass "the sniff test," when it comes to some parents' protective instincts in the case of their daughters.
In checking out the Peterson's link on the previous page for 2006-2007 data (which doesn't contain gender breakdowns for the students, so Guest must have gotten it from some place else), I noticed the following breakdown for faculty. Hmm, the roughly 2:1 ratio seems to hold even here:
Faculty and Advisers (http://http://www.petersons.com/pschools/code/IDD.asp?orderLineNum=925337-1&reprjid=11&inunId=2710&typeVC=InstVC&sponsor=1)
The Bath campus faculty consists of 14 women and 26 men; 13 hold advanced degrees. There are 10 Hyde alumni and alumni parents on the faculty. The Woodstock campus faculty consists of 10 women and 20 men; 11 hold advanced degrees. There are 13 alumni and alumni parents on the faculty. Nearly all of Hyde’s faculty members live on campus and are responsible for counseling and supervision in the dormitories. All serve as advisers to students and their families and share coaching, performing arts, and community action responsibilities.[/list]
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Competition among males at Hyde is pretty intense. In addition, they are sworn to celibacy. Nevertheless, some males (the all-powerful patriarchs of the tribe) are able to copulate repeatedly with the sexually desirable females. Thus the normal sex ratio is restored.
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Mousy hair is prematurely gray, or pulled back in a mousy ponytail?
Good Mouse Hunting? :D
I never cared for mouse meat. A yearling doe in a field say about mid july, nice and fat on grass. That is good eating. I keep the flash light duct taped to the 30 06.
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Missing the taste of that mom poon, are you?
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How to reconcile items A and B?
A) “We have experienced a dramatic upswing in enrollment at Bath and Woodstock in the past year.”
Malcolm W. Gauld
President, Hyde Schools
January 2008
http://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx?t=40528 (http://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx?t=40528)
B) Enrollment information for Hyde School–Bath
2004 212 students
2006 194
2008 128
http://www.schooldigger.com/go/ME/schoo ... chool.aspx (http://www.schooldigger.com/go/ME/schools/9999928109/school.aspx)
http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/sch ... hool_id/92 (http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/92)
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B) Enrollment information for Hyde School–Bath
2004 212 students
2006 194
2008 128
http://www.schooldigger.com/go/ME/schoo ... chool.aspx (http://www.schooldigger.com/go/ME/schools/9999928109/school.aspx)
http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/sch ... hool_id/92 (http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/92)
I would take that last source (and that last figure cited) with a wee grain of salt. This is also the same site and same page that claims that "each of the two boarding school campuses enrolls 287 students in grades 9 through 12, with limited post graduate student acceptances. Boarding students are housed in dormitories with faculty members in residence; older students share in dormitory responsibilities. The Health Centers are staffed by registered nurses."
1.) "287 students" per campus? Geez... I have no ass left, from laughing it off so hard.
2.) "limited post graduate student acceptances" Limited by what? Only by parental pocket depth and the window of gullibility.
3.) "older students share in dormitory responsibilities?" We all had jobs, physically capable or not. Perhaps they meant to reference the "positive peer culture" enforced by those with "more advanced" so-called character development?
4.) "Health Centers staffed by registered nurses?" Is that the way it is these days? Sounds almost like there is a small contingent per campus, ready and open for business. It's one nurse per campus, isn't it? On call, if I remember correctly.
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Does anyone know what Hyde's enrollment is for 2008/09? Is it still declining? When I attended between 1970-74, there were always between 200-220 borders, and a few day students. It can't be very encouraging for the Gaulds if after 40 years they are continuously having to scramble to fill dorm rooms. I also find it curious that although the enrollment is going down, the endowment fund is rising. Very peculiar, indeed. One would think that they would decline in tandem.
And what is it with all the investment on campus improvements. They seem to spend a great deal of money on this. Is it because they feel obligated to spend the endowment money?
Any knowledgeable comments gratefully received.
FWB
Somehow I kinda doubt enrollment numbers were ever that high 'till they started admitting girls, which was 1971 or 72, if I recall correctly (which I may very well not). Plus there was/is that uniquely high attrition rate... I've heard anywhere from 20-40%, but it was/is probably more like 20-25% unless there's a big bust that year... and that would certainly skew the actual enrollment depending on when in the year you sampled.
Probably the most reliable figures (that is, hopefully consistent from year to year, by whatever means they employ) would come from one of the more mainstream boarding school guides, such as Peterson's Guides, sadly not yet up to date on the current academic year. Here are some stats:
2004-2005: Bath - 221, Woodstock - 210; total: - 431
From: Private Secondary Schools 2004-2005 by Peterson's, Peterson's Guides Staff; Published by Peterson's, 2004; ISBN 0768913640, 9780768913644; 1512 pages
2006-2007: Bath - 207, Woodstock - 158; total - 365
From Peterson's webpage on Hyde (http://http://www.petersons.com/pschools/code/IDD.asp?orderLineNum=925337-1&reprjid=11&inunId=2710&typeVC=InstVC&sponsor=1) (specifically references the 2006-7 school year).
2007-2008: Bath - 200, Woodstock - 159; total - 359
From: Private Secondary Schools 2008 by Peterson's; Contributor Fern A. Oram; Published by Peterson's, 2007; ISBN 0768923999, 9780768923995; 1488 pages
Peterson's finally updated their web description of Hyde Schools a couple of days ago. Unfortunately, no data on the 2008-2009 school year; figures cited in the text are described as being of 2007-2008. They are pretty close to what is noted in their latest edition of Peterson's Guides (book form) in the case of Woodstock (169), but not so for the Bath campus (130).
Since these figures are based on voluntary reporting on the part of the schools themselves, my guess is that figures from the two campuses were called in separately, by two different people. This is pure conjecture on my part, but I have a feeling that the Bath campus figures are from towards the end of the school year, rather than the beginning. The grade distribution argues against a mere typo. Since the book form of Peterson's Guides was published in 2007, it would reflect figures given at the beginning of the school year.
This has caused me to rethink the figure of 128 (Bath, 2008) posted by Non-achievement-oriented above (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=23527&p=323715#p321307). To my mind, this is clearly an end-of-year figure, completely in keeping with the numbers cited by Peterson's.
Consequently, this then brings me to the issue of the great disparity between begin-of-year numbers and end-of-year numbers, assuming that is what we are seeing here. Clearly, the attrition rate is... well, quite high! James Traub cited an attrition rate of 40% in his article "The Moral Imperative (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=19188&p=266560#p266560)" in 2005. This current statistic would be roughly in that same ball park: 35%.
Here is what is currently on the Peterson site in its entirety:
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School Close-Up (http://http://www.petersons.com/pschools/code/IDD.asp?orderLineNum=925337-1&reprjid=11&inunId=2710&typeVC=InstVC&sponsor=1)
HYDE SCHOOLS
Bath, Maine
Contact Information:
Gene Devlin, Director of Admission
Hyde School at Bath
616 High Street
Bath, Maine 04530-5002
Telephone: 207-443-7101
Jason Warnick, Director of Admission
Hyde School at Woodstock
P.O. Box 237
Woodstock, Connecticut 06281-0237
Telephone: 860-963-4736
The School
Educator Joseph Gauld founded Hyde School in 1966 in deliberate reaction to a system of education he believed had become overly preoccupied with students' abilities and insufficiently focused on their character.
For over forty years, Hyde has been developing its program in accordance with a simple premise: "Let us value attitude over aptitude, effort over ability, and character over talent." The program has evolved to focus on three emphases: character development, family renewal, and college preparation. Character development is fully integrated into School life. Family renewal results from real parent participation. Parents are not here to support the work of the faculty; they are here to develop their own character. Hyde has established a parallel curriculum for students and parents. This family-student partnership has, in fact, become the trademark of Hyde. More than 95 percent of Hyde's graduates attend four-year colleges.
The Bath campus has 145 acres of meadowland and forest that provide an inspiring background for athletics and outdoor challenges, as well as daily campus life. Bath's heritage as an important shipbuilding port provides an interesting historical environment. Bath is located on the Maine coast, just 40 minutes from Portland and 2½ hours from Boston.
A second boarding campus opened in the summer of 1996 in Woodstock, Connecticut, located in the northeastern corner of the state, 1 hour from Boston and Hartford and ½ hour from Providence, Rhode Island. Located near five cities, Providence, Rhode Island; Worcester, Massachusetts; Boston, Massachusetts; Hartford, Connecticut; and New Haven, Connecticut, the Woodstock campus offers extensive cultural and historical opportunities. Hyde owns and operates a fully staffed wilderness education program located in Eustis, Maine, on 600 acres at Flagstaff Lake. Both Hyde campuses utilize this property for outdoor challenges.
Hyde is governed by a self-perpetuating Board of Governors, which meets regularly.
The School plant at Bath is valued at $35 million, and the facilities at Woodstock are valued at $41 million. Annual operating expenses are approximately $15.5 million.
Both campuses are accredited by the New England Association of Schools and Colleges, Inc. (NEASC), and the school at Bath is a member of the National Association of Independent Schools (NAIS), the Maine Association of Independent Schools, and the Independent School Association of Northern New England. Hyde's Woodstock campus is a member of the National Association of Independent Schools (NAIS) and the Connecticut Association of Independent Schools.
Academic Program
The academic curriculum at Hyde is designed to help a student think critically about the world and examine his or her moral and physical development. Emphasis is placed on critical writing and the discipline of mathematics as fundamental tools for each student's academic growth. Creative focus in the areas of science, history, and foreign language impresses upon the student the importance of breadth as well as depth of knowledge. Special emphasis is placed in the classroom on the ties between the academic program and character development.
Advanced students may choose from a variety of courses, such as physics, advanced biology, AP composition, AP US history, and AP calculus. A high level of faculty involvement creates an academic atmosphere that combines challenge, diversity, individuality, and support.
Perhaps the most important aspect of Hyde's academic curriculum is the emphasis placed upon effort and growth. A student receives separate evaluations each term for effort and achievement. The final grade reflects a factoring of the year's effort and achievement grades. Students at all class levels are closely supervised academically and receive special help and independent study as needed.
The academic program is divided into trimesters. Grade reports are released three times a year. Vacations are scheduled at Thanksgiving, at Christmas, and in the early spring.
The Hyde graduate has taken four years of English, three years of history, three years of mathematics, three years of science (two of which must be lab courses), and two years of foreign language, plus electives in the areas of art, computer science, and performing arts.
Senior responsibilities include tutoring, serving as mentors for students, attending faculty meetings, proctoring, and meeting with faculty candidates.
The student-faculty ratio is 5:1. The average class size is between 10 and 16. Grades are determined on a 100-point scale; 65 is a passing grade. In the evening, there is a 2-hour study hall; the privilege of independent study must be earned.
Faculty and Advisers
The Bath campus faculty consists of 8 women and 17 men; 9 hold advanced degrees. There are 10 Hyde alumni and alumni parents on the faculty. The Woodstock campus faculty consists of 10 women and 16 men; 10 hold advanced degrees. There are 13 alumni and alumni parents on the faculty. Nearly all of Hyde's faculty members live on campus and are responsible for counseling and supervision in the dormitories. All serve as advisers to students and their families and share coaching, performing arts, and community action responsibilities.
Donald McMillan, Head of School of the Bath campus, received an A.B. from Bowdoin College in 1983, an M.Ed. from Harvard Graduate School of Education in 1996, and an M.A. from Antioch Graduate School of New England in 2005. He has worked for over twenty years as a teacher, coach, and administrator at both Hyde School boarding campuses and the Hyde Public Charter School in Washington, D.C.
Laura D. Gauld '76, Head of School of the Woodstock campus, was an undergraduate at Beloit College and University of Southern Maine, studying early American history. In 1998, Laura established The Biggest Job Program, which evolved into the book The Biggest Job We'll Ever Have (Scribner, 2002). Her efforts to affect the parenting culture in this country have been recognized through such honors as Maine's Mother-of-the-Year Award and the 2005 Maine Media Women President's Award.
College Admission Counseling
Hyde's graduates traditionally attend four-year colleges. The College Counseling Office works closely with each junior and senior in planning postsecondary study. The office maintains an extensive library of college and university admissions materials and uses software programs to help students choose colleges that will best further their growth.
College applications are supervised and processed by the office. At least three faculty recommendations, the student's personal statement, an academic transcript, College Board scores, and an explanation of Hyde's curriculum accompany applications.
In the class of 2007, 53 students graduated from the Bath campus, with 51 attending colleges and universities, including Colgate, McGill, Notre Dame, Mt. Holyoke, Reed, and Rochester Institute of Technology. On the Woodstock campus, 47 members of the class of 2007 graduated, with 44 attending such colleges and universities as Berkeley, Colgate, Dickinson, NYU, Pitzer, and Skidmore.
Student Body and Conduct
In 2007–08 on the Bath campus, there were 8 students in grade 9, 19 in grade 10, 55 in grade 11, and 42 in grade 12 and 5 post grads. On the Woodstock campus, there were 10 students in grade 9, 28 in grade 10, 74 in grade 11, 54 in grade 12, and 3 post grads. Between both campuses, twenty-seven states were represented in the student body, as were Bermuda, Canada, China, England, Japan, Korea, Nigeria, Rwanda, and Spain.
Students and faculty members share in maintaining discipline. A traditional student government does not exist at Hyde; instead, the entire student body establishes and maintains the ethics that govern the community. These ethics encourage individuals to live by conscience rather than rules.
Academic Facilities
On the Bath campus, The Mansion houses faculty offices, a computer lab, a darkroom, the College Counseling Office, the Family Education Office, and administrative offices. A new academic wing and library were completed in early 2007 (8,600 volumes and Internet access to the News Bank Curriculum Resource and facts.com). It also contains a media room. Additional classrooms are located in The Mansion, its annex, and in the Carriage House; and a renovated barn serves as a spacious art studio. Students have access to Bath's Patten Free Library, and responsible students may conduct research at the Hawthorne-Longfellow Library at nearby Bowdoin College. The Student Union houses facilities for the School's performing arts program, the bookstore, mailroom, and a dining hall.
On the Woodstock campus, the Cultural Center contains a 1,100-seat state-of-the-art theater, classrooms, a lecture hall and science labs, a computer lab, and administrative offices. The Student Center houses classrooms, the student coffee house, the dining hall, and the bookstore. Annhurst Hall, which was recently renovated, contains a new library, the media center, classrooms, the College Counseling Office, the admissions office, and the Family Learning Center. Westhaver Hall houses classrooms and administrative offices, as well as dormitory rooms. In 2008 a state-of-the-art track and field complex was completed. The field turf athletic surface is permanently lined for soccer, football and men's and women's lacrosse. The six-lane urethane track has an eight-line sprint and hurdle space, pole vault, high jump, long and triple jump, discus and shot put areas.
Boarding and General Facilities
On the Bath campus, seven dormitories provide the living quarters for boarding students. Five dorms have been built since the School was established. Each dorm has faculty members in residence, and older students share in dormitory responsibilities. A health center is located on campus, and 1 full-time and 3 part-time nurses are employed. A student union was built to accommodate community activities and rehearsal and stage space for the performing arts program. The Family Renewal Center provides conference rooms and dormitories for family weekends and retreats. Some recent additions include a new dining room, a weight-lifting room, a student activities barn, and a 600-seat theater.
On the Woodstock campus, two large three- and four-story dormitory buildings house boarding students; one is for boys and one is for girls. Each dorm has faculty members in residence. Additional faculty housing was completed in late 2006. A health center is located in Warren Hall and is staffed by nurses. The Cultural Center is a 1,100-seat state-of-the-art facility, providing optimal space for the performing arts curriculum, as well as for the local community's cultural events. Annhurst Hall was recently renovated to house a new library, a computer lab, classrooms, and administrative offices; it also provides housing for families participating in retreats and family weekends.
Athletics
All Hyde students participate in interscholastic athletics regardless of their experience or skill level. Students learn the value of competitive sports and share the accomplishment of a genuine team effort.
On the Bath campus, a modern field house, playing fields, and a locker-room center at the track and field complex offer excellent facilities for a successful athletics program; a major renovation and expansion of the field house and construction of a new student center and health facility was completed in spring 2006. A new academic building was also completed in the spring of 2007; the focal point is the Chan Wheeler Library. On the Woodstock campus, the Krebs' Family Gymnasium was constructed in 1998–99 with new basketball courts, fitness and training rooms, wrestling rooms, and athletic offices. New athletic fields have been built as well, and a new outdoor track complex was completed in 2007.
Hyde boys compete in basketball, crew (Bath), cross-country running, cross-country skiing (Bath), football, lacrosse, soccer, tennis, track, and wrestling. Hyde girls compete in basketball, crew (Bath), cross-country running, cross-country skiing (Bath), lacrosse, soccer, tennis, and track. The Woodstock campus also has martial arts.
Extracurricular Opportunities
Some activities that are traditionally regarded as extracurricular are conducted at Hyde on a cocurricular basis. These activities include the performing arts, community action, and outdoor education.
The community action program enables Hyde students to serve as volunteers in area nursing homes, local elementary schools, the animal shelter, and other community projects.
The performing arts program involves all Hyde students and faculty members in the research, development, and choreography of a musical presentation. In addition, everyone participates at the performing level, either singing, dancing, or acting. Hyde also has formal instruction in music, drama, and dance.
Outdoor education activities include wilderness trips to explore the rivers, mountains, and coastline of Maine, the majority of which are conducted at Hyde's 600-acre property in northern Maine near Sugarloaf ski area. The addition of high- and low-ropes courses on both the Bath and Woodstock campuses provides group and individual challenges for students, faculty members, parents, and alumni.
Hyde offers many opportunities for students to pursue interests beyond the scope of the usual academic program. The visual arts program offers an opportunity for students to be involved with sculpture, pottery, ceramics, art history, film, painting, sketching, and photography.
Students are encouraged to contribute to various publications created on both campuses.
Daily Life
Breakfast is served at 7 a.m. After daily jobs for all students, classes begin at 8 and continue until 2:45 p.m. Sports practices are conducted after the academic day and are followed by dinner at 6. Evening study hall is from 7:30 to 9:30. Wednesday and Saturday afternoons are reserved for interscholastic sports competition.
Weekend Life
Weekends provide an opportunity for students to relax and interact on a social level. On Sunday mornings, brunch is served. Activities organized by students may include dances, movies, coffeehouses, camping, and trips into town and the surrounding cities. All facilities are open to students during their free time, and the School provides time and transportation for attendance at religious, civic, and social functions in the area. Day students are encouraged to participate in weekend activities.
Summer Programs
The Summer Challenge Program is an opportunity for students to experience a character-based educational program, as well as an orientation for students interested in developing their character and leadership, and for new students who will attend during the following regular school year. Most students begin their Hyde education with this program. There are 2 four-week programs in the summer. The curriculum addresses excellence through individual and group challenges in academics, athletics, performing arts, and outdoor education.
Costs and Financial Aid
For 2008–09, the cost of tuition, room, and board was $41,500 for boarding students; day school tuition was $23,950. The Summer Challenge Programs cost $4800 per four-week session.
Hyde offers a financial aid program and grants-in-aid based on need. In 2008–09, a total of $1,500,000 was awarded to students on both campuses. Hyde attempts to offer its varied educational programs to as many students as possible. Inquiries about financial aid should be addressed to the Admission Office.
Admissions Information
Hyde School seeks to enroll students who have the character, potential, and enthusiasm to challenge and develop themselves within the School's diverse curriculum. While consideration is given to a candidate's past performance, the admissions process concentrates on the prospective student's hopes and desires for the future.
The SSAT is not required but is recommended. Evaluation of past academic performance is important, but acceptance is based on effort and potential, not on grades. A student should have the interest and capacity for a college career.
An in-depth family interview is the main criterion for admission and must be scheduled with the Admissions Office.
Hyde School does not discriminate on the basis of sex, handicap, race, creed, color, or national or ethnic origin. A family's income must be considered in determining financial aid allocations, but it does not have a bearing on admissions status.
Application Timetable
The Admissions Office has a March 1 deadline and then operates on a rolling basis and interviews candidates throughout the balance of the year. Families of prospective students should contact the Admissions Office in order to discuss an appointment for an interview. Candidates can expect notification of the Admissions Committee's decision within two weeks after the interview. Interviews for the Summer Challenge Programs are completed by June 20.
Admissions Correspondence
Gene Devlin, Director of Admission
Hyde School at Bath
616 High Street
Bath, Maine 04530-5002, United States
Telephone: 207-443-7101
Jason Warnick, Director of Admission
Hyde School at Woodstock
P.O. Box 237
Woodstock, Connecticut 06281-0237, United States
Telephone: 860-963-4736
Last updated: 01/14/2009