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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / A.A.?
« on: April 09, 2005, 12:08:00 PM »
Someone had mentioned something like this on another thread but I can't find it. How do all of these programs get so screwed up basing themselves on A.A./N.A.? Is A.A. fucked up or are they just bastardizing it? When I go to AA it seems pretty mellow to be honest, no scream therapy or soul raping, so how did all of this get started?

Open Free for All / Dead Kennedys
« on: July 12, 2004, 11:48:00 AM »
This song says it all:

"Life Sentence"

You used to be a partner in crime
Now you say you ain't got the time

Gotta get serious, gotta plan
Gotta pass those entrance exams
Oh my God
It's senior year
All you care about is your career

It's a Life Sentence
It's a Life Sentence
It's a Life Sentence
It's a Life Sentence

You're squelching your emotions
All you talk about is old times
You don't do what you want to
But you do the same thing everyday

No sense of humor
But such good manners
Now you're an adult
You're boring


The walls are closing in
You stayed too long in school
I'd rather stay a child
And keep my self-respect
If being an adult
Means being like you

Are you really you you you
You you you you you you
Are you really you?

You're a chained-up dog fenced in a yard
Don't see much, you can't go far
Pace and froth, you're getting sick
Run too fast and it'll snap your neck

You say you'll break out
But you never do
You're just another ant in the hill
That's your Life Sentence

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Steal This Movie
« on: July 12, 2004, 11:03:00 AM »
Did anyone see this Abbey Hoffman story? I think we should take the same tack with these hellhole rehabs and politic for legislation against them. Does anyone know of any existing organizations with this purpose I can support?

"Rip the system"

The Troubled Teen Industry / Recommendation
« on: July 11, 2004, 03:59:00 PM »
I went through a treatment center in Mississippi called COPAC (link below). Their program is based on Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and is very well documented with medical doctors on staff (none of the charlatans inventing their own treatments). There was no psychobabble of any kind or abuse of any patient. The facility I was in was for 18 and over but I'm sure they would give you a solid recommendation for a facility for younger persons if you give them a call.

I should add that a huge benefit to these AA based programs is that the patient can and should continue to attend free AA meetings once they leave the treatment center. Other approaches force the patient back into society with little or no support group or continuing treatment.[ This Message was edited by: NivekOgre on 2004-07-11 13:21 ][ This Message was edited by: NivekOgre on 2004-07-11 13:34 ]

Tacitus' Realm / Solutions to the hellhole
« on: July 11, 2004, 03:43:00 PM »
Since I did my time in the behavior modification dungeon or whatever you want to call it, I am amazed that this is still going on. Can anyone recommend any organizations that lobby for legislation against these places or advocate kids who are stuck in them? If not maybe we need to form these.

For conditions such as drugs/alcohol or emotional problems, I think an approach similar to the pharmaceutical industry should be taken. When a drug company wants to produce and market a new drug they need to convince the FDA that this drug is safe and effective and subsequently demonstrate that they are following the agreed procedure to make and sell the drug to patients.

IMHO, anyone claiming they are going to treat children for some emotional/behavioral/drug problem should have to certify their approach publically, prove that it is safe and effective and submit to a public authority similar to the FDA that insures they are adhering to this approach. If the FDA believes there are any violations they can close the doors costing the company millions until the company becomes compliant. Imagine if the FDA closed the doors on one of these "schools". All the students would have to be placed elsewhere and even when the school reopened they would probably have to start over with zero students. Don't you think they would be sure they conformed?

If there is anyone else interested in lobbying and reforming the system, let's get the discussion going here.[ This Message was edited by: NivekOgre on 2004-07-11 12:54 ]

From the description here this kid is doing nothing but faking report cards and sneaking out and they send him to that hellhole??? ... aug04.html

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