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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / ever wonder how much these schools cost PER MONTH??
« on: October 03, 2005, 06:57:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-28 08:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So your parents paid like $6000 a month to send you to CEDU?  I'm not saying thats cheap, but consider this.  I was at a Brown Schools RTC program in San Antonio and that was $530 a night. So thats about $13,500 a month x 24 months = about $367,000..."

Any chance this was a "hospital" or other type of facility that Brown could bill the insurance companies?

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Yahoo Group about Cedu
« on: April 25, 2005, 06:14:00 PM »
It's not dead, just a bit inactive.

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New Info / HAS ANYONE HERE EVER HEARD OF THE AMITY SCHOOL IN ITALY?
« on: April 24, 2005, 07:35:00 PM »
There is a Yahoo group called Amity School Group.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / I am up at 3am 17 years after I split Cedu
« on: April 24, 2005, 07:26:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-23 13:38:00, font wrote:

"Doug and Mona were part of creating Cascade and then Amity.

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Did you go to Amity?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Another one bites the dust
« on: March 26, 2005, 02:55:00 PM »
All I can say is Oh My God! :eek:

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Synanon and Cedu
« on: March 23, 2005, 06:15:00 PM »
John Padgett passed away a few years ago from cancer.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 29, 2004, 07:01:00 AM »
Ottawa,

I asked you in my previous post to state what you like about Cedu.  You gave a lengthy response that I find rather revealing.

Based on your response, it appears that the only thing that you have any kind of first hand experience with is with the parent workshops.  While you sing the praises of your workshop, you readily admit that your workshop was not like a propheet given the lack of sleep deprivation.  Why exactly did Cedu not expose parents to that lovely aspect?

Your post only justifies what I've said before. I don't believe you are qualified to sing the praises of Cedu based on the simple fact that you were never in the program.  A few parent workshops are a far cry from living Cedu day in and day out.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 28, 2004, 01:51:00 AM »
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On 2004-07-27 22:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-07-27 21:12:00, Cypress wrote:



I believe that the Cedu technique is inherently abusive.  You on the other hand disagree with this belief.





History has proven man's viewpoints on what constitues abuse wrong on many an occassion.  There was a time when slavery was not considered abuse.  There was a time when children as young six in the workforce was not considered abuse.  There was a time when cruel psychiatric treatments were not considered abuse.  There was a time when domestic violence was not considered abuse. I firmly believe that eventually, submitting children to extreme psychological torment (aka Raps) will be considered abuse.  I believe that depriving a child of their due process will be considered abuse.  I believe that submitting children to endless hours of isolation will be considered abuse.  I believe that restricting a child's access to education will be considered abuse.




Ottawa,



I have laid out my position on the faults I find with the Cedu method. (See above).  You want to know what works in the Cedu method. First answer me this.  What is it about Cedu that you like.  What exactly do you want to replicate? Please be as specific as posssible.  





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Sorry, that was me, I forgot to log in.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / to Ottawa5
« on: July 28, 2004, 12:29:00 AM »
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On 2004-07-27 20:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have to say that although Tiffany describes the Ascent portion of CEDU, it is also reminiscent of CEDU school where there seemed to be a blatant disregard for true medical conditions (it was manipulation, according to the school.).  I myself and others have experienced this.


I remember the first time I asked for tylenol because of cramps.  I was swiftly informed that it was all in my head and to just get over it.  Somehow I was using my cramps as a manipulation tool. To this day, I haven't been able to figure out the link between menstrual cramps and manipuation.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 28, 2004, 12:12:00 AM »
Ottawa,
I havent figured out yet why you are choosing to ignore me.  I really am interested in hearing why you would want to ignore me.  What kind of a threat do I pose to you?  If its the whole "she's too fragile to deal with conflict" argument, I beg of you to get over it.

I have a few proposals for you.  I acknowledge that you have every right to be here and post whatever it is you might like to say.  I may not agree with what you say but I would hate to see the forum censored in any way.  That being said, let me say this.  The road runs both ways. If you choose to post on this board and I choose to listen to what you have to say, be prepared to receive a response back from me.  I will not agree to ignore you.  It is neither productive, nor realistic.

Next, there are no rules here on proper etiquette.  No one here is trying to win a Miss Manners contest.  I for one will continue to use foul language and post "angry tirades".  It is how I choose to express myself.  If you don't like it, frankly, get over it.  As I've said before, this is our forum.  We are entitled to express our views in any way we choose.  I would suggest that you simply accept it.  I have spent a bit of time re-reading a sampling of posts and have found that I was not so much angered by the content of your argument but by the manner in which you chose to strike back at posters.  I will acknowledge that this is perhaps just how you express yourself.  So be it.  I do not agree with your techniques but there is not a damned thing I can do about it.

Moving on.  I simply ask that you understand that those of us who have posted so far on this forum have had pretty negative experiences with the Cedu technique.  You on the other hand have had a positive experience.  But that is like comparing apples to oranges.  You have never been a student at a program.  You can not relate to where we have been and what we have survived.  You say your son has had a positive experience and I guess we will just have to take you at your word since your son has remained silent.

I believe that the Cedu technique is inherently abusive.  You on the other hand disagree with this belief.

History has proven man's viewpoints on what constitues abuse wrong on many an occassion.  There was a time when slavery was not considered abuse.  There was a time when children as young six in the workforce was not considered abuse.  There was a time when cruel psychiatric treatments were not considered abuse.  There was a time when domestic violence was not considered abuse. I firmly believe that eventually, submitting children to extreme psychological torment (aka Raps) will be considered abuse.  I believe that depriving a child of their due process will be considered abuse.  I believe that submitting children to endless hours of isolation will be considered abuse.  I believe that restricting a child's access to education will be considered abuse.

If you are up to it, I would honestly appreciate hearing your response to this post.  If, on the other hand, you choose to ignore it, so be it.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 27, 2004, 10:19:00 PM »
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On 2004-07-26 17:09:00, Cypress wrote:

...You have NOT been there like we have.  You will NEVER know what we have been through.  You have NEVER had your dignity ripped from you in the way we have.  I will NOT sit here and listen to how well your son did or did not do at Cedu.  How the Hell do you know?  YOU WERE NOT THERE.  If your son wishes to join our dialogue, I strongly encourage his participation...  


Ottawa,

Here is my comment to you regarding your son.  You will notice that I have no problem hearing your son's story.  I even encouraged his participation.  I do have a problem with hearing your son's story as told through you. To you this may seem to be splitting hairs, but to me there is a huge difference between the story you tell and the story your son has to tell.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 27, 2004, 10:11:00 PM »
Ottawa,

In response to your private message...

Who the fuck are you to question my mental well being.  Yes, I currently visit a psychiatrist. Monthly, for meds checks. How dare you patronize me with your new "concerned" attitude.  If you are so concerned with how a little conflict in my life might affect my mental well being how the fuck did you expect your son to deal with all the Cedu confrontation he would have to face when you placed him in the program?

I will not sit back and let you even begin to discriminate against me because of any illness I have, be it mental or physical.  And by using your "kid gloves" approach with me you are doing just that, discriminating.  I didn't ask for differential treatment and I will not tolerate differential treatment.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 27, 2004, 09:41:00 PM »
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On 2004-07-27 18:21:00, ottawa5 wrote:

"Cypress,



Don't get me wrong, you sound like a fascinating character, in a number of ways which might or might not interest you, in your current frame of reference.



I just don't feel comfortable discussing anything else related to this forum with you publicly and will send you a private message. "


Well well well.  It would seem that you are throwing in the towel.  

I'm not sure if this means you will be leaving us altogether or just simply ignoring me. But I have news for you Ottawa.  As long as you continue to post on this forum I will continue to question your motivation.  

And, once again, you have failed to acknowledge any of the points made in my previous post. You claim to not feel "comfortable" discussing anything forum related with me.  Just why is that?  It would appear that you are either running in fear, (which I sincerely hope is not the case) or you are just not equipped to respond to a person who will not be intimidated by your techniques.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 27, 2004, 07:48:00 PM »
"Look, you attitude, coming on all angry and frantic at me for no reason, is frustrating, and if you want to fight, I will try to ignore you when I can and take you on if I just can't ignore what you say. Although I'm pretty good at ignoring things, getting better all the time here, so you don't have to worry about too much interaction if you continue on as you have starated."

So Ottawa, you claim I have no basis for being "angry and frantic".  I think I stated pretty well in my initial post just why you tick me off.  Why must you continually discount my feelings?  Have you not learned a thing from your Cedu programming?

"If on the other hand, you want to communicate like an adult who is speaking to another adult who happens to have a differing opinion on a matter that is important to them both, I will always be willing to put the past behind and talk."

Please point out just what part of my dialogue is not "adult like".  Are adults not not prone to yelling when getting angry?  Do adults not use foul language? Please share with me exactly what makes for "adult" conversation so that I can be honored by your dialogue.  After all, this forum is all about you and rules that you deem appropriate.  I guess if the rest of us are going to participate we need to find out just what "agreements" we must follow so as to not offend you.

 "just that you didn't approve of me and my son on the basis of information in some quite current posts."

Sorry, but when did I say that I don't approve of your son?  I would actually be delighted to have him onboard.  

And finally, I will ask again, simply because you suggest that I do so, why exactly are you here?  What are your motives?  Why do you feel that you fit in here?  I have read somewhere that you are studying psychology and are interested in starting your own program.  Is this correct?  If so, what do you gain by discounting our experiences?  How exactly does this method of yours gain you any insight into how to start your own program?

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 27, 2004, 01:46:00 PM »
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On 2004-07-27 09:21:00, mikehunt wrote:

"I'm so incredibly sick of people asking others where they got their degrees in order to validate the person's thoughts.


Mike,

I respectfully disagree with you on this point.  A degree can go a long way when it comes to being able to evaluate and diagnose an individual.  Cedu is a prime example of such.  These were inexperienced and uncredentialed individuals foolishly applying "therapeutic" models.  It didn't work at Cedu and it most definately won't work on this board.  While I understand your frustration, I will not be subjected to being labeled "hysteric" by a perfect stranger.

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