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Let It Bleed / Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas
« on: June 08, 2005, 04:31:00 AM »
you would say that

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / montel williams show
« on: June 08, 2005, 03:45:00 AM »
On 2005-06-07 13:27:00, sammiegirl wrote:

"...they kept me up late the night before, then woke me early..."

"I was a wreck prior to the show b/c they had realy gotten to me the day before. we had been talking about straight for weeks prior to my arrival to NYC and then the day before they had interviewed me intensivly. So my emotions were high and I was a wreck."

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / I just
« on: June 08, 2005, 12:22:00 AM »
does anybody really know what time it is?  :smokin:

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / How to Freebase Coke
« on: June 08, 2005, 12:17:00 AM »
good one

Let It Bleed / Texas Chainsaw Massacre
« on: June 07, 2005, 04:31:00 PM »
how about i send you some Cat Stevens?

what about the prison thing in California?

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / No more medical use of pot
« on: June 07, 2005, 04:10:00 PM »
well the supreme court doesn't act on the will of the people, they are supposed to interpret the constitution and the laws. Rational and Reasonable folk think the next step is to get Congress to pass new legislation. myself i don't know but Rational and Reasonable might just equal Damned Fool Who Ought To Be Stockpiling 'Stead of Wasting Time Trying. and to think, i feel a twinge of guilt yet for being such a pessimist!

Let It Bleed / Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas
« on: June 07, 2005, 12:56:00 PM »
give it another few years. jobs keep getting sent overseas. USA will wake up to problem.

see page 3 for the state dependency post by RTP.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / How to Freebase Coke
« on: June 07, 2005, 12:45:00 PM »
how about the power and meaning in ritual.

myself i haven't smoked nicotine in a few years. if i smoked one right now, it would take me back instantly to the state of mind i was in when i first smoked, or maybe whenever i was last smoking. state dependency. it's a personal ritual and a social ritual. but anyways, the state dependency thing is powerful. it brings back memories. what were you doing before & what meaning did that have.

anyways sometimes i smoked because i was hungry, or there was nothing else.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / How to Freebase Coke
« on: June 07, 2005, 09:15:00 AM »
hep c is a virus. it is not caused by the drug, it is passed on by dirty needles. there seems to be a little confusion. if people had clean needles they would not get any contagious illnesses from shooting up drugs.

the way i see it, people got hep c from dirty needles because either they did not know the danger or they could not get clean needles.

me, i go into a drug store in redneck VA. "i need a 1cc syringe." they stall -- "we don't have that kind."  "well you did last time, are you sure?"  "well, uhm..."  "it's for a kitten, i have to give it medicine."   "uhm..."    stall, think.  "okay, i really don't need the needle part, how about you take that off and give me the syringe?"   they had the syringe i was asking for. they made me sign a sheet they keep on everyone buying syringes there!

The Troubled Teen Industry / A cult?
« on: June 06, 2005, 01:38:00 PM »
On 2005-06-06 10:28:00, GregFL wrote:

" post here in order to prothelize. I think that is a mistake."

yeah, because GregFL sure is making you look pretty dumb and the "god" of the bible look pretty bad. but carry on. it is quite satisfying to see the x-tian b.s. lose round after round.

Feed Your Head / The Underground History of American Education
« on: June 06, 2005, 09:57:00 AM »
I'm putting Deborah's post up here. I think it fits well if we are talking about the effects of cultural ideology...

On 2005-06-05 20:42:00, Deborah wrote:

"*** It's funny how when this shit happens to arab people who aren't even US citizens the world unites against the US govt. When we do it to our own kids, no one blinks an eye. Says a lot about the society our parents have created. Time to change!

I think this article speaks to that issue, as well as the Teen Warehouse Industry.

Comfortably Numb

Did you feel for those Iraqis who were tied down and had attack dogs baying and chewing at them? Did seeing the pictures and hearing the stories make you sick? Or were you like most of us ? engaged by the drama, entertained by the scandal, yet comfortably numb about the whole thing?

Many have replaced empathy with an ?I?-centered

sentimentality. Feeling has been turned on its head: caring is now a means not for taking action, but for feeling better about oneself or getting attention. We ride the emotional dramas in the tabloids, wear colored ribbons, and express our love for God and country. Meanwhile, we take no action ? at least none driven by empathy.

Empathy is how we respond to the plight of fellow

human beings. It is the bedrock of our moral

sensibility that allows us to feel for others, to put ourselves in their place. If you cannot feel, how can you act outside your own wants and desires? To many today, it seems easier to just deny feelings of empathy, to react to  them ?rationally? as a weakness in this hard and fast world.

But this has a cost. Losing feeling for others, or

never developing the capacity to feel deeply at all, means closing off a fundamental part of being human. We feel less not just about the millions of innocent people killed by violence in the past decade, or the thousands of civilians killed in America?s wars for peace, but also about, say, our own partner, neighbors or parents. All feelings run along the same neural


Shutting down some means shutting down many. In the process, we become less human. As this happens, we not only stop feeling the pain of others, we become more capable of inflicting it. This is the darkest side of empathy?s erosion. If feelings underlie an empathic response, numbness makes brutality viable. Thus, as you happily switch off from humanity, you become a threat to it. We were comfortably numb about the torture at Abu Ghraib, and so were the GI guards who carried it out. Americans didn?t say sorry because they didn?t feel sorry. Simple as that.

And if we can?t feel for others, who will feel for us?

Perhaps this is part of the general worsening of

mental well-being. As a recent World Health

Organization study shows, there?s a near-perfect

correlation between the rise of alienation in the

modern world and the decline of people?s mental

states, with mental dysfunction growing globally. As empathy falls, behaviors predicated on its lack have been pathologized, like narcissistic and antisocial personalities. But these are not symptoms of organic disease. Instead, it is the social system that is in need of radical treatment.

Consider the example of antidepressant drugs like

Paxil and Zoloft. It is now understood that these ssri antidepressants shut down peoples? sexual emotions. What remains less appreciated is that they produce their mood-altering effect by essentially manufacturing apathy. Are these drugs popular, in part, precisely because they shut down our feelings? It is a frightening notion. Medicating our numbness is one thing, with a long and lonely history. But a culture medicating itself into comfortable numbness is something else. It is no longer the symptom but the cure.

Richard DeGrandpre


Feed Your Head / The Underground History of American Education
« on: June 06, 2005, 09:02:00 AM »
Ginger, i was just wondering if this stuff starts way early, like all the parenting books, and the cultural lore telling people how to deal with children from birth -- put them in the crib and let them cry. they have to learn, that sort of thing. but there are cultures that are completely different. the infants live all day in a sling and nurse whenever, without all the time rules parents are taught in this culture. at night they sleep with their mother. when they get bigger other people take turns carrying the baby, including children. the explanation i have heard is that in those cultures, children are being raised to be a part of an extended and interdependent family. whereas, in our culture, children are being raised to be independent.

well now i would have my disagreements about the last bit there, i think. our options for survival, and the education Gatto is talking about are actually producing very dependent people.

i haven't gotten that far in the book yet, but i think he mentions that a little, that Americans had an independent way and then some completely different ideology got hold in the schools...

but think about that baby crying in the crib, who told his mom and dad to ignore that? where did that come from? and does it help to create a human who can then put up with a whole lot more inhumane treatment through its life?

The Troubled Teen Industry / Sucess stories from Struggling
« on: June 05, 2005, 10:24:00 PM »
On 2005-06-05 15:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is Andrea - and a troll?  I will not defend myself to any of you nor what I do the ones who are here who know about me and what I do I have great respect for - as we all have our opinions and have gotten past a lot of struggles.  Again to cut/copy/paste is wrong whether you agree with folks or not it is wrong just plain wrong.  Again, your opinions matter this is America - but I do not nor should anyone bash a parent who is desperatly seeking help for their child ever.  At least they are trying - unlike a lot of other parents I know who just abandon their children to the state!  Someone has to come to some sort of truce here and I reccomend and will so on struggling teens that this not keep going on - to continue to feed into a thread like this is a waste of time and energy.  (as I am typing myself) this is the last message I will post here period, you all are out of control.  Good luck with  your ventures in life, be safe and healthy.


Andrea, Troll of the Month Award

I laughed so hard my toes tingled. Thanks, Andrea.

Damn if it weren't for the kids who are in lock-up because of you, this would be pure comedy instead of a comic moment in tragedy.

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