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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 12, 2005, 12:37:00 AM
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I want the parents of the boys who ran away to please take note of the charges filed by Jared Eldridge against Cheryl Sudweeks. This investigation took several months. It means that the authorities find the evidence to be very credible. There is a reason your boys ran. Please listen to what they tell you. Do not send them back to Whitmore and risk them being physically harmed.
Here are some of the things that happen when kids run and are sent back. One girl was put in "the room" on the shelf for well over a week. She could not go to the bathroom unless someone went with her -- if someone happened to think about it.
All of the food served to her -- when and if -- had been spit in by the other kids at Whitmore.
She was not allowed to shower or change her clothes for the entire time she was in that closet.
Two other girls were physically beaten by another student -- enough to cause one of the girls to get a black eye. And that was what could be seen.
Other boys have been have been beaten for hours at a time -- by other students. This is all with the knowledge of the Sudweeks.
Most of this is after the offending kids have been called names and humiliated for hours in "group."
These are not stories just made up by one or two unhappy people. These things really do happen.
The story of Joey being beaten and pushed down stairs is documented by the "Child Protective Services."
This can all be varified by calling Detective Kimball at the Nephi PD or Mr. Godfrey at Child Protective Services.
Do you really think that treating kids like what has been described is what you thought you were sending your boys into? Didn't you send your kids to be helped?
Please consider more than the fact that they ran and asked for help in getting to safety. Again, ask them what they have seen. Ask Mackie about being left at the Ridge without food or water or supervision.
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mackie chose to go up there..and there was plenty of food in the semi..which he was told to eat..and if makcie wants to run his mouth now that he "RAN" away..he can speak for himself since he is too much of a damn pussy to say anything before..and dont give me that bullshit about him getting beat if he opened his mouth..he was one of the biggest kids we had..hahaha
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On 2005-06-12 06:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"mackie chose to go up there..and there was plenty of food in the semi..which he was told to eat..and if makcie wants to run his mouth now that he "RAN" away..he can speak for himself since he is too much of a damn pussy to say anything before..and dont give me that bullshit about him getting beat if he opened his mouth..he was one of the biggest kids we had..hahaha"
Unbelievable ... so because the guy was one of the "biggest kids we had" he didn't need to worry about any b.s. like getting "beat"?
Care to explain yourself anon to those of us who are not Whitmore parents or teens? You seem to be saying the "littlest" kids are the ones who would have to worry.
Please, I hope you understand that beating is NEVER acceptable. Someone who would even physically harm a kid (big or small) as relatiation for disobedience of any kind should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Parents can't beat their children at home and should not be allowed to let program staff beat their kids, by proxy.
There have been serious allegations of abuse leveled against this program according to what I read in the paper.
Think that might have anything to do why this child ran away in the first place?
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On 2005-06-12 06:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-12 06:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"mackie chose to go up there..and there was plenty of food in the semi..which he was told to eat..and if makcie wants to run his mouth now that he "RAN" away..he can speak for himself since he is too much of a damn pussy to say anything before..and dont give me that bullshit about him getting beat if he opened his mouth..he was one of the biggest kids we had..hahaha"
Unbelievable ... so because the guy was one of the "biggest kids we had" he didn't need to worry about any b.s. like getting "beat"?
Care to explain yourself anon to those of us who are not Whitmore parents or teens? You seem to be saying the "littlest" kids are the ones who would have to worry.
Please, I hope you understand that beating is NEVER acceptable. Someone who would even physically harm a kid (big or small) as relatiation for disobedience of any kind should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Parents can't beat their children at home and should not be allowed to let program staff beat their kids, by proxy.
There have been serious allegations of abuse leveled against this program according to what I read in the paper.
Think that might have anything to do why this child ran away in the first place?
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My apologies, I forgot to include the news article.
Academy owner facing charges
Boarding school: She stands accused of child abuse and hazing at a now-defunct treatment center
By Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
June 11, 2005
The owner of a controversial Utah boarding school has been charged with five misdemeanor counts of child abuse and two counts of hazing. Charging documents filed last week by the Juab County Attorney's office allege Cheryl Sudweeks of Whitmore Academy in Nephi humiliated and physically harmed four children between April 2003 and November 2004. The children were enrolled at a now-defunct residential treatment center formerly associated with the boarding school.
Sudweeks, 50, has been summoned to appear before Nephi's 4th District Court on June 23. Nephi police could not be reached for details late Friday. But Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge says the charges were filed as part of an investigation of alleged abuse at Whitmore that began in November. It led to the closing of the residential treatment facility. Eldridge said none of the evidence amassed implicates Sudweeks' husband, Mark, who co-owns Whitmore. Mark Sudweeks declined to comment on the investigation or the charges Friday. Eldridge said the criminal probe is ongoing.
"It has been a difficult investigation because we have witnesses who are scattered across the country. Some have been difficult to pin down," said Eldridge.
Whitmore still operates a boarding school catering to about 32 students, ages 12 to 17.
The school has recently balked at coming under state regulation, arguing it is not a therapeutic facility, a category covered under a new law passed to crack down on Utah's thriving teen-help industry.
Utah licensing director Ken Stettler said until the school is covered by state regulations there is nothing he can do to intervene. Officials at the Division of Child and Family Services say they have no reason to believe children at Whitmore are at risk, nor are they currently investigating any complaints of neglect or abuse.
"But if any parent has reason to believe there might be abuse going on we definitely want them to contact us," said DCFS spokeswoman Elizabeth Sollis.
http://www.sltrib.com (http://www.sltrib.com)
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Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: 2005-06-11 21:37:00
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I want the parents of the boys who ran away to please take note of the charges filed by Jared Eldridge against Cheryl Sudweeks. This investigation took several months. It means that the authorities find the evidence to be very credible. There is a reason your boys ran. Please listen to what they tell you. Do not send them back to Whitmore and risk them being physically harmed.
Here are some of the things that happen when kids run and are sent back. One girl was put in "the room" on the shelf for well over a week. She could not go to the bathroom unless someone went with her -- if someone happened to think about it.
All of the food served to her -- when and if -- had been spit in by the other kids at Whitmore.
She was not allowed to shower or change her clothes for the entire time she was in that closet.
Two other girls were physically beaten by another student -- enough to cause one of the girls to get a black eye. And that was what could be seen.
Other boys have been have been beaten for hours at a time -- by other students. This is all with the knowledge of the Sudweeks.
Most of this is after the offending kids have been called names and humiliated for hours in "group."
These are not stories just made up by one or two unhappy people. These things really do happen.
The story of Joey being beaten and pushed down stairs is documented by the "Child Protective Services."
This can all be varified by calling Detective Kimball at the Nephi PD or Mr. Godfrey at Child Protective Services.
Do you really think that treating kids like what has been described is what you thought you were sending your boys into? Didn't you send your kids to be helped?
Please consider more than the fact that they ran and asked for help in getting to safety. Again, ask them what they have seen. Ask Mackie about being left at the Ridge without food or water or supervision.
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why write to the parents why not question joyce harris on why she paid for minors to be on the loose. These parents are the ones who really care about their own children, not someone who didnt protect them enough to sent them to the ones that truely love them.
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On 2005-06-12 10:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"why write to the parents why not question joyce harris on why she paid for minors to be on the loose. These parents are the ones who really care about their own children, not someone who didnt protect them enough to sent them to the ones that truely love them."
Because these parents need to understand that the Whit is no safe place for kids who dared attempt an escape.
I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves, it should be first those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others. Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.
--Abraham Lincoln
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exactly how is sending kids to a drug infested concert getting that message to the kids. mary
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sorry i didnt "word" it right for you. Mackey is one of my better friends that I had..and let me clarify it for you so that you dont get it all twisted because you cannot comprehend what I am saying...IF the kids did get beat..mackey would not have to be scared because he is one of the "bigger" kids that we have...so in other words, he did not leave because of that. Not to mention Mike is too. Anyways, ask that one man who works with the nephi police or w/e..its either godfrey. eldridge, or this other guy...which ever one works with the police..he called the airline and found out that Joyce paid for their ticket..thats how that was found out..anyways, im out. :silly:
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On 2005-06-12 10:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
" exactly how is sending kids to a drug infested concert getting that message to the kids. mary"
Well, first, I don't actually believe that happened. Second, nobody said anything about getting a message to the kids. We're talking about alerting the parents to the danger of shipping their kids back to the Suds.
Remember that the Whit is said to be a drug infested environment as well. The kids are probably safer wherever they are than at the Whit. The parents need to understand that. Though it's doubtful that the kids would be able to trust them or believe them even if they did suddenly see the light. So sad.
If anyone is in touch w/ these boys, I hope you'll inform them that they can go to a runnaway shelter (NOT to the police!) and stand a good chance of getting protection. They'll have to explain why their parents can't be trusted and no kid really wants to expose their parents to that kind of thing. But they have to do it if they're to avoid what they know happens to Whit kids who dare attempt an escape.
Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.
--Thomas Paine
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So then 30 or 40 kids ganging up on one bigger kid is nothing to worry about?
An Animated Cartoon Theology:
1. People are animals.
2. The body is mortal and subject to incredible pain.
3. Life is antagonistic to the living.
4. The flesh can be sawed, crushed, frozen, stretched, burned, bombed, and plucked for music.
5. The dumb are abused by the smart and the smart destroyed by their own cunning.
6. The small are tortured by the large and the large destroyed by their own momentum.
7. We are able to walk on air, but only as long as our illusion supports us.
-- E. L. Doctorow "The Book of Daniel"
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hey..i had to deal with leaving once, and coming back..and it wasnt what people crack it out to be..sure..i got fussed out, nothing more than that..and i love them just the same.
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Since you seem to know, Antigen, what does happen to kids when they come back to the Whitmore after attempting an escape?
Just curious.
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Ask Joey.
The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson
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I was there for the Joey incident. All of it.
So kids who attempt escape are told not to do it, it is explained to them why they need to stay for their full year, then watched to make sure they don't run away again? Okay. I'm sure that is to be feared. :roll:
Have you ever even met Joey? I hung out with him quite a bit when he was at the Whitmore. I know him, and I know his personality; along with his games. This is one. You're in it.
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There were SEVEN counts of which Joeys is presumably one. What about the other 6?
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That's called "pricks".
You know... they're rude, usually looking to hurt others, maybe just trying to fit in with those they consider friends...
Maybe even influenced by spiteful parents who didn't get their money back when they pulled out their kid early, or parents pissed off because their kids said just a little too much about the way they're treated at home.
Zita's a good example of this, but she wasn't a prick. She was a sweet little girl in the time I knew her. Zita was abused by her mother in order to tell lies. Nearly everything Zita said happened to her at Whitmore was done to her by her mother before she came to the school. She told us some of these things in only her first week. I was there when she did.
I know the names of the other six, and I'd give them to you if I thought it appropriate. But it's not. However, I did know them all, and I can promise you that no abuse went on.
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On 2005-06-12 13:06:00, Antigen wrote:
"Ask Joey"
Joey has been asked....repeatedly...now CHERYL'S been arrested and charged with (7) criminal acts.......to be arraigned....to post bail....to be held to answer (by judge ROY)........most probably wILL cop a plea.....no more ASYLUM'S...no more contact with minors Will be the condition of the DEAL..........as I stated earlier, "see if it stands the test of time"..............whine and cry, spit and crack your chin..........CHERYL certainly is about to bend.................AMF
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On 2005-06-12 13:29:00, mom2three wrote:
"There were SEVEN counts of which Joeys is presumably one. What about the other 6? "
two "strong" counts directly involve baby kangaroo..........remeber.......forshadowed "a very CREDIABLE witness whom seems to have the support of the entire nation".........TRUTH stands the test........GORILLA sOOn to be searching for a new nest.........
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On 2005-06-12 13:10:00, mouse wrote:
"I was there for the Joey incident. All of it.
Have you ever even met Joey? I know him, and I know his personality; along with his games. This is one. You're in it."
Poor lost soul..........his parents thought like you too....they even wrote a letter of support to Mark and Cheryl SUDWEEKS in support of the ASYLUM subsequent (after) the alleged beatings.....you tOO sound fOOled, confused, angered, disappointed.........Many people did not believe baby kangaroo alone, but the consistent, irrefutable, corroborated investigative facts state otherwise..........don't expect CHERYL to admitt any wrong doing.........she will pled "no contend ray"...........and that will be it.......the sting in the plea.............stay away order..............sly spy that RAY guy...............
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So I guess Joey just felt like singing "I'm a little teapot" while teetering on the edge of a high cliff? No threat or coercion at all? Did you enjoy that show, Mouse? Did you maybe play a bit part in it?
It's our goddamn duty to get these people back on drugs so they can think for themselves again!!!
RTP2003
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No one threatened him. No one hurt the guy. We educated him (with words, mind you) by telling him why he needed to be at the Whitmore, how we could help him, and emphasized how his life was basically going to the dogs if he kept living the way he had been at home. And it would've, and if he gets out of the school he's in now too early, it will. If it hasn't already. I don't know where that kid is.
Did I enjoy the show? No, I don't enjoy group. I find it boring a lot of the time. I usually get in trouble for falling asleep during it. But not that one, and yeah, it did get boring after a while of the same old thing over and over again. We weren't getting very far with him. I think that after he'd read a book or two on how to express feelings instead of holding them in, he would've been more willing to change his life around. That was his big issue, expression. Also sensitivity. He acted very apathetic, when one could see in his eyes that he had so much emotion. He was a cool kid behind that mask, but just didn't want to show his real self. He feared his emotions.
As for playing a part in it, no, I didn't say much in that group. I talked to him throughout the day, chilled with him, and we were friends.
Does that answer your questions? Oh, and I apologize for getting a bit psychological in this post.
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You don't know the names of the other six, because there isn't "the other six." Have you read the article in the Tribune? There are four.
Seven charges, four kids.
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On 2005-06-12 15:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You don't know the names of the other six, because there isn't "the other six." Have you read the article in the Tribune? There are four.
Seven charges, four kids."
only four kids....is that all???......judge ROY, we pled....only four complainers from the normal home....throw TORI a bone....mama Alana says set GORILLA free....you see, there are always SOME complainers.....next case....death sentence for cruelty to animals...............AMF
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Who is Mouse? A Whitmore staff member? A former student?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Former student.
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On 2005-06-12 15:06:00, mouse wrote:
Does that answer your questions? Oh, and I apologize for getting a bit psychological in this post.
No, it doesn't answer my question. I asked you if Joey just felt like doing that little song and dance for you. Interesting that you knew just what I was talking about. Not that I really need your coroboration. I'm fairly certain Mr. Godfrey has enough wittnesses to constitute solid evidence of the fact of the matter.
And no need to apologize. I want the sane people to get a glimpse of how the Program "works" before they get taken in. And you've provided a very nice example. Thanks! You obviously believe you're qualified to make these kinds of judgements. How did you become so qualified?
The therapeutic community method is very, very affective*! Not the least bit therapeutic nor conducive to authentic community. But extremely affective, none the less.
*not a typo or misspelling... look it up.
G: "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"
EB: "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."
-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4
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On 2005-06-12 17:07:00, mouse wrote:
"Former student."
Mouse, just so everybody else has a fair shot and a level playing field, would you mind telling all where you are? And, if you don't mind, explaining to us why you're there?The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
--Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President
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Actually, I figured you were using that as an analogy, not as an actual event that happened. Because that's absurd, and never happened.
I am visiting the Whitmore; is there a problem with that? I knew you'd say something. I know you can trace the IPs on this forum.
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Too late LOL Busted! I assure you that, as one old brad to one young broad, I said that in the spirit of affcetion.
No, no problem w/ your visiting. I just thought it would only be fair if everyone knew.
Why are you visiting, though? School's out, summer is here, don't you have better things to do? What, no date? My daughter just took off w/ her bf and another couple for a beachside retreat. I'm actually quite envious of her, and proud, that she has the resources and autonomy to do that. By the time I was her age, she was 2 years old already and I was scrubbing other people's toilets and changing other people's kids diapers to pay the rent.
What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
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Antigen, you cannot "indirectly" put down what Mouse is doing. So what, she has friends there, and misses the place as with a lot of the kids. I do not think it is fair to get onto her about having better time to spend somewhere else. She obviously enjoys that, like you daughter enjoys the beach...and summer has only begun! :cool:
-Sarah
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If you're implying I know something about Joey singing and dancing, I don't. Even if someone did try to force him, he wouldn't do that, and I know it. He always played the tough guy.
I'm visiting because I missed everyone here. And no, I don't have a date, but I'm sure you're very proud of your daughter.
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No, Sarah, I don't mean to put anyone down. And, really, this is probably lost on most of the parents anyway. But Program vets will redily understand the influence of that environment on her thinking and her view of things. Note that she really didn't post much till now? How come?
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Because I got bored. When I went home, I started applying for jobs, colleges, and just overall setting up my life. After living for a while, I visited Whitmore and when I was on the plane here, I remembered this site. I got bored today, and decided to post some stuff. It's pretty dramatic around this forum, and that's better than boredom.
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On 2005-06-12 17:46:00, mouse wrote:
"Actually, I figured you were using that as an analogy, not as an actual event that happened. Because that's absurd, and never happened.
I am visiting the Whitmore; is there a problem with that? I knew you'd say something. I know you can trace the IPs on this forum."
You are visiting at the Whitmore? Well that certainly explains your attitude and behavior. You have regressed.
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On 2005-06-12 18:38:00, mouse wrote:
"Because I got bored. I visited Whitmore and when I was on the plane here, I remembered this site."
snake oil for sale???.....photo flash memory you say?.....it's a leveled field as long as I've got the self perceived HIGH ground.... I'm loyal and firmly entrenched in ASYLUM HILL......AMF
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On 2005-06-12 18:17:00, mouse wrote:
"If you're implying I know something about Joey singing and dancing, I don't. Even if someone did try to force him, he wouldn't do that, and I know it. He always played the tough guy.
even as he cried and screamed...said he couldn't breath....hit, punch, slap, kick, stomp..all for love of the GOV......your right dear.....he wouldn't do that....smack...he attacked.....ran to the flatfoots..........tired of GORILLA'S favored hands...you all know who you are....scared I say........come lay,stay,or pray.....there will be self to face......mark this spot....someday /// today, tomorrow, ten years...you all individually will face these acts.....free yourselves today.....it is the easier,softer way...peace and love from honorable trudgers.........AMF