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Title: The New Macho!!!
Post by: heretik on October 18, 2010, 06:57:11 PM
The New Macho

He cleans up after himself.
He cleans up the planet.
He is a role model for young men.
He is rigorously honest and fiercely optimistic.

He holds himself accountable.
He knows what he feels.
He knows how to cry and he lets it go.
He knows how to rage without hurting others.
He knows how to fear and how to keep moving.
He seeks self-mastery.

He's let go of childish shame.
He feels guilty when he's done something wrong.
He is kind to men, kind to women, kind to children.
He teaches others how to be kind.
He says he's sorry.

He stopped blaming women or his parents or men for his pain years ago.
He stopped letting his defenses ruin his relationships.
He stopped letting his penis run his life.
He has enough self respect to tell the truth.
He creates intimacy and trust with his actions.
He has men that he trusts and that he turns to for support.
He knows how to roll with it.
He knows how to make it happen.
He is disciplined when he needs to be.
He is flexible when he needs to be.
He knows how to listen from the core of his being.

He's not afraid to get dirty.
He's ready to confront his own limitations.
He has high expectations for himself and for those he connects with.
He looks for ways to serve others.
He knows he is an individual.
He knows that we are all one.
He knows he is an animal and a part of nature.
He knows his spirit and his connection to something greater.

He knows that the future generations are watching his actions.
He builds communities where people are respected and valued.
He takes responsibility for himself and is also willing to be his brother's keeper.

He knows his higher purpose.
He loves with fierceness.
He laughs with abandon, because he gets the joke.

This is the Mature Masculine - it is the redefinition of masculinity for the 21st century. By no means is this list complete. You are welcome to come and add your gifts to this community. - Boysen Hodgson
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Ursus on October 19, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: "heretik"
The New Macho

He cleans up after himself.
He cleans up the planet.
He is a role model for young men.
He is rigorously honest and fiercely optimistic.

He holds himself accountable.
He knows what he feels.
He knows how to cry and he lets it go.
He knows how to rage without hurting others.
He knows how to fear and how to keep moving.
He seeks self-mastery.

He's let go of childish shame.
He feels guilty when he's done something wrong.
He is kind to men, kind to women, kind to children.
He teaches others how to be kind.
He says he's sorry.

He stopped blaming women or his parents or men for his pain years ago.
He stopped letting his defenses ruin his relationships.
He stopped letting his penis run his life.
He has enough self respect to tell the truth.
He creates intimacy and trust with his actions.
He has men that he trusts and that he turns to for support.
He knows how to roll with it.
He knows how to make it happen.
He is disciplined when he needs to be.
He is flexible when he needs to be.
He knows how to listen from the core of his being.

He's not afraid to get dirty.
He's ready to confront his own limitations.
He has high expectations for himself and for those he connects with.
He looks for ways to serve others.
He knows he is an individual.
He knows that we are all one.
He knows he is an animal and a part of nature.
He knows his spirit and his connection to something greater.

He knows that the future generations are watching his actions.
He builds communities where people are respected and valued.
He takes responsibility for himself and is also willing to be his brother's keeper.

He knows his higher purpose.
He loves with fierceness.
He laughs with abandon, because he gets the joke.

This is the Mature Masculine - it is the redefinition of masculinity for the 21st century. By no means is this list complete. You are welcome to come and add your gifts to this community. - Boysen Hodgson
LOLLLL. The above being...  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  ...from the Mankind Project.
Here's the source page, which heretik failed to provide: LINK (http://http://mankindproject.org/new-macho-newsweek)
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Anne Bonney on October 19, 2010, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "heretik"
The New Macho

He cleans up after himself.
He cleans up the planet.
He is a role model for young men.
He is rigorously honest and fiercely optimistic.

He holds himself accountable.
He knows what he feels.
He knows how to cry and he lets it go.
He knows how to rage without hurting others.
He knows how to fear and how to keep moving.
He seeks self-mastery.

He's let go of childish shame.
He feels guilty when he's done something wrong.
He is kind to men, kind to women, kind to children.
He teaches others how to be kind.
He says he's sorry.

He stopped blaming women or his parents or men for his pain years ago.
He stopped letting his defenses ruin his relationships.
He stopped letting his penis run his life.
He has enough self respect to tell the truth.
He creates intimacy and trust with his actions.
He has men that he trusts and that he turns to for support.
He knows how to roll with it.
He knows how to make it happen.
He is disciplined when he needs to be.
He is flexible when he needs to be.
He knows how to listen from the core of his being.

He's not afraid to get dirty.
He's ready to confront his own limitations.
He has high expectations for himself and for those he connects with.
He looks for ways to serve others.
He knows he is an individual.
He knows that we are all one.
He knows he is an animal and a part of nature.
He knows his spirit and his connection to something greater.

He knows that the future generations are watching his actions.
He builds communities where people are respected and valued.
He takes responsibility for himself and is also willing to be his brother's keeper.

He knows his higher purpose.
He loves with fierceness.
He laughs with abandon, because he gets the joke.

This is the Mature Masculine - it is the redefinition of masculinity for the 21st century. By no means is this list complete. You are welcome to come and add your gifts to this community. - Boysen Hodgson
LOLLLL. The above being...  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  ...from the Mankind Project.
Here's the source page, which heretik failed to provide: LINK (http://http://mankindproject.org/new-macho-newsweek)



 ::)

What is it about these guys that they're so insecure that they need some wannabe guru to get nekkid with and run around chanting in order to "reclaim their masculinity"?   My gawd.  And people are always talking about girls having "daddy issues".   Sounds like these guys have some serious "mommy issues".  :rofl:
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Samara on October 19, 2010, 12:21:19 PM
Quote from: "heretik"
The New Macho

He laughs with abandon, because he gets the joke.

This is the Mature Masculine - it is the redefinition of masculinity for the 21st century. By no means is this list complete. You are welcome to come and add your gifts to this community. - Boysen Hodgson

Does he get the joke, though?
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Ursus on October 19, 2010, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
What is it about these guys that they're so insecure that they need some wannabe guru to get nekkid with and run around chanting in order to "reclaim their masculinity"? My gawd. And people are always talking about girls having "daddy issues". Sounds like these guys have some serious "mommy issues". :rofl:
In the past, the Mankind Project and New Warrior Training Adventure have been blessed by the recommendations of various NARTH (http://http://www.narth.com/) leaders. More specifically, some folk have thought that MKP could be a useful tool in reparative therapy.
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Anne Bonney on October 19, 2010, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
What is it about these guys that they're so insecure that they need some wannabe guru to get nekkid with and run around chanting in order to "reclaim their masculinity"? My gawd. And people are always talking about girls having "daddy issues". Sounds like these guys have some serious "mommy issues". :rofl:


In the past, the Mankind Project and New Warrior Training Adventure have been blessed by the recommendations of various NARTH (http://http://www.narth.com/) leaders. More specifically, some folk have thought that MKP could be a useful tool in reparative therapy.


Oh. My. God.   ::)
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: heretik on October 19, 2010, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: "heretik"
The New Macho

He cleans up after himself.
He cleans up the planet.
He is a role model for young men.
He is rigorously honest and fiercely optimistic.

He holds himself accountable.
He knows what he feels.
He knows how to cry and he lets it go.
He knows how to rage without hurting others.
He knows how to fear and how to keep moving.
He seeks self-mastery.

He's let go of childish shame.
He feels guilty when he's done something wrong.
He is kind to men, kind to women, kind to children.
He teaches others how to be kind.
He says he's sorry.

He stopped blaming women or his parents or men for his pain years ago.
He stopped letting his defenses ruin his relationships.
He stopped letting his penis run his life.
He has enough self respect to tell the truth.
He creates intimacy and trust with his actions.
He has men that he trusts and that he turns to for support.
He knows how to roll with it.
He knows how to make it happen.
He is disciplined when he needs to be.
He is flexible when he needs to be.
He knows how to listen from the core of his being.

He's not afraid to get dirty.
He's ready to confront his own limitations.
He has high expectations for himself and for those he connects with.
He looks for ways to serve others.
He knows he is an individual.
He knows that we are all one.
He knows he is an animal and a part of nature.
He knows his spirit and his connection to something greater.

He knows that the future generations are watching his actions.
He builds communities where people are respected and valued.
He takes responsibility for himself and is also willing to be his brother's keeper.

He knows his higher purpose.
He loves with fierceness.
He laughs with abandon, because he gets the joke.

This is the Mature Masculine - it is the redefinition of masculinity for the 21st century. By no means is this list complete. You are welcome to come and add your gifts to this community. - Boysen Hodgson

I believe this was intended for insight and maybe testimony. I am sorry it has incited so much rancor amongst the few.
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Samara on October 19, 2010, 04:11:27 PM
I don't have rancor toward the list of virtues. I mean the list itself is a good life code for all.

It's just that I have been in programs that have perversely twisted Wise Words to suit their own propaganda.
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Ursus on October 19, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
Quote from: "heretik"
I believe this was intended for insight and maybe testimony. I am sorry it has incited so much rancor amongst the few.
Really? Since you've seen fit to quote that post, once again, for the fourth time, in what was then a seven-post thread... I'd suggest that "inciting rancor" might, in fact, be amongst your goals here.  :D
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Samara on October 19, 2010, 04:40:42 PM
At first I thought this post was titled "The New Nacho." Nacho Nacho Man  :rocker:
Title: Brother's Keeper
Post by: Ursus on October 19, 2010, 05:10:47 PM
Quote
He takes responsibility for himself and is also willing to be his brother's keeper.
Sounds just like Hyde School. Of course, "Brother's Keeper" at Hyde is just another euphemism for snitchin' and narcin' and holding your "brother" accountable for alleged sins and character flaws. That is, Hyde's take on "Positive Peer Culture."

Despite the avowed motivating factor of "Concern" (one of the "Five Words"), it has, in the past, descended into community-wide witch hunts, bullying and stalking with just short of mortal consequences. Perhaps, in some cases, there was no "just short of."
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: bobbyfischer on October 19, 2010, 05:25:26 PM
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He takes responsibility for himself and is also willing to be his brother's keeper.

http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/for ... r_propheet (http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/Propheets_%28CEDU%29#The_Brothers_Keeper_propheet)

The Brothers Keeper propheet

Lugs:  Part of the ice breaker in the Brother's Keeper propheet. A student is required to come up with a short performance that makes fun of themselves, and act it out for the entire peer group. This is done repeatedly, since every time a new member of the peer group comes up with and performs their "lug", all of the previous students who have already come up with theirs have to do it again. (Similar structure to the "12 days of Christmas" song.) It could also simply mean the act of a staff member imitating you and making fun of how you behave.  

The Circle: An exercise in the brother's keeper propheet. Two students are singled out from the rest of the peer group. These students are normally the omegas of the group, (i.e. the bottom of the pecking order) and as such, command the least respect. The rest of the peer group is instructed to close ranks and form a circle, with everyone facing inside and linking arms. The two ostracized students are then required to try to break into the circle any way they can, while the rest of the peer group has to try to keep them from getting inside. The purpose was to provide a metaphor for 1. How you keep people on the outside every day. and

2. How you keep yourself on the outside every day.  

Turning your back:  An exercise from the brother's keeper. Students are paired up and take turns turning their back on each other.  

Pushing away  An exercise from the brother's keeper. Students are paired up and take turns shoving each other. The exercise was supposed to signify how you push people away every day.
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: heretik on October 19, 2010, 05:34:21 PM
Quote from: "bobbyfischer"
Quote
He takes responsibility for himself and is also willing to be his brother's keeper.

http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/for ... r_propheet (http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/Propheets_%28CEDU%29#The_Brothers_Keeper_propheet)

The Brothers Keeper propheet

Lugs:  Part of the ice breaker in the Brother's Keeper propheet. A student is required to come up with a short performance that makes fun of themselves, and act it out for the entire peer group. This is done repeatedly, since every time a new member of the peer group comes up with and performs their "lug", all of the previous students who have already come up with theirs have to do it again. (Similar structure to the "12 days of Christmas" song.) It could also simply mean the act of a staff member imitating you and making fun of how you behave.  

The Circle: An exercise in the brother's keeper propheet. Two students are singled out from the rest of the peer group. These students are normally the omegas of the group, (i.e. the bottom of the pecking order) and as such, command the least respect. The rest of the peer group is instructed to close ranks and form a circle, with everyone facing inside and linking arms. The two ostracized students are then required to try to break into the circle any way they can, while the rest of the peer group has to try to keep them from getting inside. The purpose was to provide a metaphor for 1. How you keep people on the outside every day. and

2. How you keep yourself on the outside every day.  

Turning your back:  An exercise from the brother's keeper. Students are paired up and take turns turning their back on each other.  

Pushing away  An exercise from the brother's keeper. Students are paired up and take turns shoving each other. The exercise was supposed to signify how you push people away every day.


All this means is to love and care for your brother. This is not a LGAT/Propheet. If it takes performing a Propheet or LGAT to love and care for your brother, well I hope you succeed.
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Whooter on October 19, 2010, 05:44:52 PM
There was an exercise that was used in wilderness where they blindfolded the parent and the son or daughter had to direct the parent through an obstacle course.

Did the child want their parent to succeed or fail?  lol  It was an interesting dynamic and exercise.

The parent needed to trust the child and give in and allow the child to have control.  This was a big step for many parents.  The child liked it because they got to control some very controlling parents for a change.



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Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Ursus on October 19, 2010, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: "bobbyfischer"
Quote
He takes responsibility for himself and is also willing to be his brother's keeper.

http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/for ... r_propheet (http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/Propheets_%28CEDU%29#The_Brothers_Keeper_propheet)

The Brothers Keeper propheet

Lugs:  Part of the ice breaker in the Brother's Keeper propheet. A student is required to come up with a short performance that makes fun of themselves, and act it out for the entire peer group. This is done repeatedly, since every time a new member of the peer group comes up with and performs their "lug", all of the previous students who have already come up with theirs have to do it again. (Similar structure to the "12 days of Christmas" song.) It could also simply mean the act of a staff member imitating you and making fun of how you behave.  

The Circle: An exercise in the brother's keeper propheet. Two students are singled out from the rest of the peer group. These students are normally the omegas of the group, (i.e. the bottom of the pecking order) and as such, command the least respect. The rest of the peer group is instructed to close ranks and form a circle, with everyone facing inside and linking arms. The two ostracized students are then required to try to break into the circle any way they can, while the rest of the peer group has to try to keep them from getting inside. The purpose was to provide a metaphor for 1. How you keep people on the outside every day. and

2. How you keep yourself on the outside every day.  

Turning your back:  An exercise from the brother's keeper. Students are paired up and take turns turning their back on each other.  

Pushing away  An exercise from the brother's keeper. Students are paired up and take turns shoving each other. The exercise was supposed to signify how you push people away every day.
It's interesting how certain themes, phrases and/or catchwords run through different programs in similar, yet still somewhat different, ways...
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Samara on October 19, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
heretik: it wasn't done tongue in cheek or even hilariously. It was coupled with barrages of humilations, badgering, and screaming.
Title: NACHO LIBRE - he's nacho average hero
Post by: Ursus on October 20, 2010, 03:12:55 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
At first I thought this post was titled "The New Nacho." Nacho Nacho Man  :rocker:
Taking association to even cheesier (yet surprisingly appropriate) pastures, this image comes from a blog post entitled Nacho Libre: Spam Magnet (http://http://www.hung-truong.com/blog/2009/02/22/nacho-libre-spam-magnet/):

(http://http://www.hung-truong.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/nacho-libre.jpg)[/list]
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: heretik on October 20, 2010, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
heretik: it wasn't done tongue in cheek or even hilariously. It was coupled with barrages of humilations, badgering, and screaming.

I am not sure where everyone is taking this posting. What I would suggest is just accept the post as it was intended and stop analyzing the beJesus out of it. Sigh.....
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: Samara on October 20, 2010, 05:12:04 PM
I really don't think Nacho Libre is analyzing the hell out of anything. Lighten up, dude.
Title: Re: NACHO LIBRE - he's nacho average hero
Post by: Ursus on October 21, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
In an earlier blog post, Nacho Libre: Movie Review (http://http://www.hung-truong.com/blog/2008/05/13/nacho-libre-movie-review/), which was apparently beset by so much spam commentary that it necessitated the closing of the comments in addition to being the inspiration for the explanatory second post linked to above (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=31454&p=384750#p384690) (which appears to have been also beset by so much spam that it necessitated the closing of those comments as well), Hung Truong ends his review with the following observation:

"...the movie was a "Nickelodeon" production, which explained the lack of cruder humor and the abundance of fart noises."[/list]

Probably too many nachos for even Nacho Man...
Title: Re: The New Macho!!!
Post by: heretik on October 21, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "heretik"
I believe this was intended for insight and maybe testimony. I am sorry it has incited so much rancor amongst the few.
Really? Since you've seen fit to quote that post, once again, for the fourth time, in what was then a seven-post thread... I'd suggest that "inciting rancor" might, in fact, be amongst your goals here.  :D

I do apologize if my duplicity in posting has offended you but by no means is their a alternative motive here. I am knew to this posting thing here.
I did read over my posts and I cracked up a bit, I could see what you were referring to. :)
I hope as you get to know me your comments in red above will have proved to be unnecessary.

I felt this was a great post and a commitment for men to see. The post was meant to be inspiring.