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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Daytop Village => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 07, 2005, 02:12:00 AM
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Frank Lanza saved many lives. Daytop Village is and continues to be a business...shocking. However, Frank saved many people. For your morons who can't stand him (alive or dead)....maybe he was hip to your garbage. Frank didn't take crap....and it was his j-o-b to run a facility. Look in the mirror and oh by the way....people who live in glass houses ought not to throw stones. God rest his soul and the thousands he helped.
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And what about the the thousands that he totally fucked with? I wonder how many of them suffer from PTSD today as a direct result of his abusive ways? What possible theraputic value does the humiliation of people have to do recovering from an addiction? He and others like him could never get a job outside of Daytop, they lack the education and credentials to work anywhere else. And by credentials I don't mean the one that they all conveniently grandfathered into, I'd love to see the results of them trying to actually pass the national test for substance abuse counselors.
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Frank Lanza was an abusive, obstreperous, hurtful Daytop sycophant.
Where he is now is the best place for him.
I knew him personally and he was not a good man, no matter how you junkies spin it.
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I also knew Frank to be somewhat hardcore but he mellowed as time went on. The trouble with Frank and a lot of the oldtimers was they were and are out of touch with reality. What may have worked for them 30-40 years ago definately has no place in the substance abuse field today. But they are stuck in the mindset that worked for them must work for everyone. As far as " Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones", my foundation is solid today not crumbling like it was in my years at Daytop. And anybody who had a good experience at Dasytop hey more power to you but I'm not going to sit in a dark room with a paper bag over my head anymore and hide. If anybody wants to deny that abuse happened at Daytop I say to them point blank..You're full of shit!
Hands that help are far better then lips that pray.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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On 2005-04-07 09:45:00, odie wrote:
"I also knew Frank to be somewhat hardcore but he mellowed as time went on. The trouble with Frank and a lot of the oldtimers was they were and are out of touch with reality. What may have worked for them 30-40 years ago definately has no place in the substance abuse field today. But they are stuck in the mindset that worked for them must work for everyone. As far as " Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones", my foundation is solid today not crumbling like it was in my years at Daytop. And anybody who had a good experience at Dasytop hey more power to you but I'm not going to sit in a dark room with a paper bag over my head anymore and hide. If anybody wants to deny that abuse happened at Daytop I say to them point blank..You're full of shit!Hands that help are far better then lips that pray.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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Here, here! Kudos to the gentleman for speaking the objective truth.
Can you relate some events you witnessed to help readers understand Daytop a little more clearly?
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FYI...I'm no junkie...NEVER was and NEVER will be.
I don't care how well you think you knew Frank Lanza, you should watch what you say.
You're probably just another one of these whiners.....If you and these other morons felt Daytop was abusive, you should have "split"...left the facility....PERIOD...THE END.
Whether Daytop is successful in treating people or not, stop blaming others...look in the mirror and help yourself.
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WAH....WAH....Another whiner. If you were abused at Daytop...you should have "Split"....left the facility.....Stop your crying and bitching.
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No whining or bitching here. I was never a resident at Daytop.
However, I did know Frank Lanza. We're all a little better off with his pill-junkie ass in the ground.
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I found these mssages to be very interesting. I do know this..active addicts abuse themselves and those who are connected to them. DAYTOP is not abusive! DAYTOP is in the business of saving lives. No abuse. Staff and peers just keeping it real for those whose reality had become distorted. DAYTOP saved my life. If I cleaned it was because my house was dirty. If I got a hair cut it was because I acted out and needed to learn a lesson. I didn't split, but maybe those of you who felt you were being abused should have. Nobody sent you an invitation and nobody forced you to stay! Thank you DAYTOP and all you "abusive" staff memebers who got paid the "big bucks" and gave me my life back.
Charlene Mascia Parksville 1993-94
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Parlksville huh...oh you mean that place where one of the staff was having relationships with female residents, a former director is smoking crack, another former director blew his brains out after relapsing, the stories go on and on...and thats just the tip of the iceberg.
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"Got a haircut because you acted out and needed a lesson"? Ewwww. That sounds pretty abusive. Not right, think about it.
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On 2005-05-03 19:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Got a haircut because you acted out and needed a lesson"? Ewwww. That sounds pretty abusive. Not right, think about it."
"Getting a haircut" is not what you think. It's a term used by Daytop to describe a disciplinary action in which a staff and 3 residents berate another resident for bad behavior.
There are also "Dealt With's" and "Spoken To's" in addition to "Haircuts."
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"Compassion is the basis of morality"
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-05-04 07:57 ]
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Thank you for explaining that, I wasn't familar with the term and obviously took it literally. I don't know what the answers are, the only thing that makes sense to me is to legalize drugs, regulate them and use the tax dollars to explore better ways in treatment. Check out http://www.leap.cc (http://www.leap.cc)
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Thousands he helped? You're STILL fucking high.
Helped what? To get molested? To get beat up? To be abused, neglected and destroyed?
Frank Lanza was a pill-popping, rx forging JUNKIE with a junkie mentality to the very end. Nothing more, nothing less. A fucked up, abusive animal.
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Daytop is full of profound logic. Street drugs? Bad. Legal drugs? Go for it! Consistency and hypocracy? Fuck it!
Apparently pharma abuse is ok in the higher ranks of Daytop. When I worked for ADU, the Director was also a major pill popper. I often overheard his phone conversations with various MD's, fidgety and arguing about his need for refills. The director of Foxrun was a drunk--alcohol was often coming out of his pores after long nights of hitting the bottle. Didn't know that Frank was a pharma head. But it certainly explains those mood swings!
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You talking about Eugene?
I worked there 1995 in ADU...
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I don't remember a Eugene. I was talking about Andrew (ADU) and John (Foxrun). I worked there 97-99.
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Oh, ok. Two new drunks/pill poppers. I was gone by the end of 1996. Eugene was the director in '95 and was "reassigned" and replaced by "acting director" Lanza.
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It's good to see you morons have nothing better to do with your time. Keep blaming other people for your own issues and inadequacies.
You are a bunch of pathethic losers. Drug treatment didn't help....try a fucking shrink.
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On 2005-09-15 00:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's good to see you morons have nothing better to do with your time. Keep blaming other people for your own issues and inadequacies.
You are a bunch of pathethic losers. Drug treatment didn't help....try a fucking shrink."
We were both employees, not residents. Try reading. Left to right, top to bottom. A group of words makes a sentence... Idiot.
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On 2005-09-15 00:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Drug treatment didn't help....try a fucking shrink."
Drug treatment by Daytop's active pharma and alcohol abusing, rageful, and power trippy staff. Gee, I wonder why this drug treatment is not effective? You are right, poster. People need a shrink after Daytop to work on the anxiety and trauma issues, propelled by a stay at this "therapeutic" (barf) community.
Let me guess. You think Daytop is helpful because you still live and / or work there? Or you used to live / work there, and still are connected with the "Daytop Family"? How's the Monsignor? Is he still encouraging kids to sit on his lap? And giving them rides in his private helocopter? I hear the Vatican approves of this kind of therapy.
Just call me a member of the tin foil hat club. It is better than drinking the Daytop Kool Aid.
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This always struck me as funny. Especially at staff meetings where someone who was obviously high would tell us what we should do with our caseload. Too much...
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I just wonder about all the rantings about complaining about what a horrible place Daytop was to work at why is it allowed to continue to exist. Is it true that thet hire Social Workers and Psychologists that have been scraped from the bottom of the barrel to work for them? You know...the kind any reputable agency wouldn't even dream of hiring in their darkest moments of desparation? You know...the ones that leave then rant on forever bashing Daytop? And are sitting in front of their computer right now wondering why nobody will hire them? And that's why you see their rantings all over this message board? Get a friggin life already...sheesh
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Parksville... where active addicts hava a chance to get clean and to relearn how to be productive and accountable human beings. I have not one thing bad to say about my experience at DAYTOP.
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When were you at Parksville?
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I was talking about Andrew (ADU) and John (Foxrun).
Andrew must have been trying to score pills between rounds of solitaire on his computer. That guy may as well not have been there. He only came out of his office for 5 minutes when things had fallen to sh*t. John T walks around that place like he's on coke. He sometimes doesn't make sense and loses his thoughts and goes off on tangents. No focus.
F*ck Daytop
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I was in Swan Lake 84-85 and graduated 86. I couldn't have done it without Frank Lanza. He kicked my ass all over Swan Lake to prepare me for the REAL kicks that life gives you. Behind it all he cared and knew better than to hug and cuddle my dopefiend ass. When I got married I gazed out and there he was, same for the christening of my children. I went in a hopeless junkie and today I a father, husband,son,friend and above all a human being. I thank God for Daytop and thank God Daytop had someone like Frank Lanza !
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I worked with Frank Lanza and he also lived up the street from me for over twenty years. That guy was nothing but a pill-popping, script-forging junkie right to the end. Maybe it was easier for you to deal with him as a resident. At the lowest point of your life, maybe you really felt like you deserved to have your "ass kicked," but that sure as hell doesn't make it right. For me, knowing that he was high all the time, doctor shopping and forging scripts and seeing him bombed off his ass stumbling around the street made the hypocrisy too clear to pay any attention to what he had to say, which, incidentally always consisted entirely of verbally abusing someone. That guy was a loser in life and at Daytop and it's a shame anyone had to be subjected to his B.S.
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:cry: ILOVED FRANK LANZA HE WAS A MAN OF HIS WORD HE HELPED ME TO BE ME IKNEW HIM OUTSIDE THE FACILITY IM PROUD TO SAY I AM SOBER TODAY AND I HAVE SOM MUCH GRATITUDE FOR FRANK LANZA SO ALL YOU IDIOTS THAT WONT POST YOUR NAMES JUST OPINIONS I PROUDLY SAY YOUR COWARDS DONNA CASH
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Ah, here we go again. The sheople are upset that someone dares criticize their guru. You people scare the crap out of me. Who in their right mind would continue to have contact with these nutcases let alone have them involved in any decisions about their lives? Its like the pathetic idiots that used to ask Newton for his 'permission' to marry.
Step away from the KoolAid.
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:cry: ILOVED FRANK LANZA HE WAS A MAN OF HIS WORD HE HELPED ME TO BE ME IKNEW HIM OUTSIDE THE FACILITY IM PROUD TO SAY I AM SOBER TODAY AND I HAVE SOM MUCH GRATITUDE FOR FRANK LANZA SO ALL YOU IDIOTS THAT WONT POST YOUR NAMES JUST OPINIONS I PROUDLY SAY YOUR COWARDS DONNA CASH
AND I BLEW BERNIE IN MILLBROOK 3 TIMES A WEEK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,DONNA CASH
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HEY, i was with frank in millbrook. He wasn’t that bad, you don’t change your old junkie ways with smooth talk and milk and cookies, by the way, I was 15 at the time and millbrook was becoming a teen house. Anyway, ran into this news about him passing away because I decided to see how daytop is doing nowadays. I split in summer of 79 and made the best out of my life as it stands now. Peace in Franks grave!
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my name is john gomez, so anyone that remembers me please write. victor martinez who married margarita and live in queens, mindy, rollin, lesley king, lisa matrea. thanks
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Hey , I know of only one person that went to this centre . I did not hear many good thing's about it .But , apparently enough '' good '' that the Heroin / alcohol addicted individual is still clean and sober .
Anyway , I was trying to locate a place for a relative that has a variety of program's in concentrated treatment. ( behavioural disorder's , anger management , various psychological issues .) This would be for a recovering pill - head ( once Heroin addicted for 10 year's ) , alcoholic .
Any information would be appreciated . I am disturbed by much of what I am reading on the blogs , such as this one . One cannot heal while being abused !!
Also : I did not know this '' Frank '' character . But , no offense intended to you who quotes Schopenhauer
Compassion is the basis of morality."
Compassion is the basis of morality."
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I was in Swan Lake 84-85 and graduated 86. I couldn't have done it without Frank Lanza. He kicked my ass all over Swan Lake to prepare me for the REAL kicks that life gives you. Behind it all he cared and knew better than to hug and cuddle my dopefiend ass. When I got married I gazed out and there he was, same for the christening of my children. I went in a hopeless junkie and today I a father, husband,son,friend and above all a human being. I thank God for Daytop and thank God Daytop had someone like Frank Lanza !
Hey James I remember you we were in SL at the same time. I'm glad to hear that you are doing well. I also saw Donna Cash left a note sounds like she's doing well. It's amazing how so many of us are actually alive, sober, and happy.
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I was in Swan Lake 84-85 and graduated 86. I couldn't have done it without Frank Lanza. He kicked my ass all over Swan Lake to prepare me for the REAL kicks that life gives you. Behind it all he cared and knew better than to hug and cuddle my dopefiend ass. When I got married I gazed out and there he was, same for the christening of my children. I went in a hopeless junkie and today I a father, husband,son,friend and above all a human being. I thank God for Daytop and thank God Daytop had someone like Frank Lanza !
Hey James I remember you we were in SL at the same time. I'm glad to hear that you are doing well. I also saw Donna Cash left a note sounds like she's doing well. It's amazing how so many of us are actually alive, sober, and happy.
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On 2005-09-15 00:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's good to see you morons have nothing better to do with your time. Keep blaming other people for your own issues and inadequacies.
You are a bunch of pathethic losers. Drug treatment didn't help....try a fucking shrink."
We were both employees, not residents. Try reading. Left to right, top to bottom. A group of words makes a sentence... Idiot.
PWND!
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HEY, i was with frank in millbrook. He wasn’t that bad, you don’t change your old junkie ways with smooth talk and milk and cookies, by the way, I was 15 at the time and millbrook was becoming a teen house. Anyway, ran into this news about him passing away because I decided to see how daytop is doing nowadays. I split in summer of 79 and made the best out of my life as it stands now. Peace in Franks grave!
I was put in Millbrook after being brainwashed in PDAP hospital for 6 weeks. That was February of 1980. At the time i was 14 the next oldest person was 21 and up. I was told i was the first adolescent to be admitted to any of their 24 hour facilities, so i'm surprised to hear you were there in 1979. Every other person there was straight out of jail and most were bad ass criminals, gang members and addicts. Frank Lanza and Frank Scotto were animals with no training of any kind. I was a skinny white boy from the suburbs and didn't fit in with any click there. I was abused like an animal and still have nightmares about the crap the staff and the residents did to me. I was beaten and abused every god damn day. That slide show won't stop til the day i die thanx to Frank and his staff.
I've spent my whole life since then trying recover from that trauma and nothing works.
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I was put in Millbrook after being brainwashed in PDAP hospital for 6 weeks. That was February of 1980. At the time i was 14 the next oldest person was 21 and up. I was told i was the first adolescent to be admitted to any of their 24 hour facilities, so i'm surprised to hear you were there in 1979. Every other person there was straight out of jail and most were bad ass criminals, gang members and addicts. Frank Lanza and Frank Scotto were animals with no training of any kind. I was a skinny white boy from the suburbs and didn't fit in with any click there. I was abused like an animal and still have nightmares about the crap the staff and the residents did to me. I was beaten and abused every god damn day.
Hi. I was at Millbrook also, but not within the same time frame. Maybe Paul St. John or Dysfunction Junction will know of some who were.
How long were you there?
Were you transferred directly into Daytop from a PDAP?
That slide show won't stop til the day i die thanx to Frank and his staff. .
I hope that leaves you long before then.
I've spent my whole life since then trying recover from that trauma and nothing works.
I’ve been surprised and grateful to find how healing learning from the experiences of others who went through programs and coming to understand more about these places has been for me. There are quite a few gems in the rough here…some stones too.