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Hey. I check up on here every once in a while. I'm pretty sure the program's been shut down though.

Facility Question and Answers / Re: Turning Winds
« on: January 08, 2009, 03:42:18 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Here are the few references that I have been able to scrounge up, thus far just Baisden's earlier history:

You then went on to quote 3 of my previous posts. I mistakenly used the term "misquote." What you did was take my quotes out of context, I suppose.

I apologize if you took offense, I was only trying to set the record straight.

Facility Question and Answers / Re: Turning Winds
« on: January 08, 2009, 08:06:44 AM »
Ursus has misquoted me above. When I was in Glacier Mountain Academy, John Baisden had absolutely nothing to do with the program- it was all Larry Bauer. I stated this very clearly in my past posts, which I don't feel like looking for.

I realize that the last post on here was over a year ago. Sorry, but I hardly ever check up on this. I really don't remember his name. It may have been Matt, but he definitely had red hair and I want to say he was from somewhere on the east coast, possibly New Jersey? If you ever visit this site again and see this, person who posted above me, my email address is [email protected]. Feel free to contact me.

I believe it was February through August of 2003 that I was there. If you have complete faith in these programs please state why.

Larry's GMA program is totally different than what it was when you were there. I don't even know if it's the same as when I was there anymore. To make it clear, everything I have posted is in regards to Glacier Mountain Academy NOT Glacier Mountain Educational Services OR Glacier Mountain Expeditions. Here is an article from ... een01.html
to reduce the confusion:

(June 8, 2000) Larry Bauer, Director of Glacier Mountain Academy (GMA), Sandpoint, Idaho, announced that as of January 1, 2000, GMA became a totally separate entity from Glacier Mountain Educational Services (formerly known as Glacier Mountain Expeditions), which is headed by John Baisden. Bauer and Baisden had formed a partnership a few years ago, which has now been dissolved as a result of this action. Ramona and Matt Slover are managers and house parents of the GMA program, with Jack Evensizer, the accredited teacher.

Alright, all I'm saying is that in GMA the people in charge were covering up when Sue Scheff came. Maybe she should have looked a little more in depth, but what she saw was OK.
I don't know what else she did and I don't really care, but all I'm doing is giving a firsthand account of what I personally witnessed.
The reason I'm writing here is because I want parents to know what to ask and see what has changed for this particular program since I've been there. Maybe it's a good program now. I don't know.
Also, I really would like to know more from the person who said that they've been there recently and liked it. Not only because I'm curious, but it would help alot of people decide on whether or not it's a good program.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-04-20 10:39 ]

Posted earlier:
"What does this have to do with Sue Scheff? Does she refer kids to this academy?"

Yes, my mother was referred to Glacier Mountain Academy by Sue Scheff. The reason I posted all this stuff here is because there was no forum just for GMA andsomeone mentioned it in this one. If you read back a couple of pages, I said that I don't really think that it's Sue Scheff's fault that she referred people there though. Whenever she was coming the people in charge would freak out and make the kids clean the house and make us talk about all the stuff we do and things like that. That's from my point of view while I was there. I don't know what else she's done, though.

Posted earlier:
"I actually attended Glacier Mountain and it was great!!! I actually refer parents to it now"

That's great that you liked it. I actually had alot of fun there also, but how it was run when I was there was horrible. I hope that the new house parents are nicer and more professional than Matt and Ramona Slover. Did Larry councel you at all when you were there? Also, is Jack still the teacher? If you got out after me, please let me and all the other people on this site know how it was when you were there because your information is more up to date than mine is.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-04-19 22:26 ]

Posted earlier:
"That's complete BS....Did you know John's daughter was murdered and that's a lot of the reason he started Glacier Mountain. That program helped me out so much, I have no idea where I'd be if it wasn't for them. Larry was a good guy when I was there, when I went it was in Dec and no one else would let me go to their house for Christmas except Larry. I had more contact with John then Larry and still have contact to this day"

First of all, I don't know if John Basedow is the guy you're referring to, but the Glacier Mountain Academy that I went to was the one that Larry Bauer made AFTER he broke apart from John Basedow. I never came into contact with anyone in the program named John and have never made any references to him. I was talking about Larry Bauer, who has a daughter and as far as I know is still living, or at least was when I was in the program a couple of years ago. She was a nice person and I befriended her, it's just that she was not qualified at all to do what she was doing.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-04-19 22:26 ]

The Troubled Teen Industry / glacier mountain academy
« on: January 15, 2006, 12:32:00 PM »
I went there. Go to ... 0&start=70 to see what I said about it.

The Troubled Teen Industry / List of PURE programs
« on: January 15, 2006, 12:31:00 PM »
I went there. Go to ... 0&start=70
to read what I said about it.

Well, first of all, my mother did expect more of the program than what they did. Exactly what, I don't know.
Like I posted earlier, Matt held a boy against the wall by his neck and that's all that I saw myself. But, I heard that Ramona slapped a boy across the face, but there were no witnesses to that one. Matt sat on a kid to hold him down before I got there. Alot of kids saw that one, but that may or may not have been legitimate. Matt pushed and held one kid against the wall for no good reason, but again, no witnesses to that one, either.
It doesn't matter if that kid was trying to kill himself for real; that was a private and delicate matter and should have been dealt with as such. I honestly don't know if he really was trying to kill himself or if he was just trying to get out of the program.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-01-13 10:33 ]

No, there wasn't anything that extreme going on. The closest thing I could find to official rules is this link
That's their official website.
The thing that was most wrong with the program is that the overseers were too lazy (Matt and Ramona)or didn't really care about us (Larry). The program was more like being at home, but having stricter parents. We could do basically the same stuff that we would do at home; hang out, talk, chores, but we couldn't watch TV or go out (until level 4 or 5). When someone did something bad they would just get dropped a level and have to stay in the program longer. So, everyone's incentive was to get out as quickly as possible, and to do that, you had to be good. The instances where there was abuse were rare. It happened about 4 or 5 times while I was there, which isn't good, but it's better than other places.
This program is not nearly as bad as some of the others out there. One kid just entered this program after leaving another in Jamaica, and he told us some pretty bad stories; but I don't think Glacier Mountain Academy helps kids too much, either. Jack (the school teacher), Larry (ran the program), and some other people who worked in the program were always nice to us. I like them and they're good people (actually, Larry isn't really that great a person, but he was nice). They are not qualified to work in what they are doing, though. Either because they lack the legal qualifications, or because they're in it for the money (Larry); and you can't be in that job for the money. I want you to want to help people if your program is actually going to help people.

We could talk to the other kids when we got there. They encouraged us to so that we felt more comfortable. Actually, the first day I was there they asked me to start talking to this one kid who didn't really have any friends and no one really liked him.
When we got moved up levels, it wasn't a voting thing with the kids or anything, but Matt would ask all the kids what thgey thought about so and so moving up, and whoever wanted to would say what they thought or if that kid had done anything bad or good lately or if they had improved at all. The higher level kids were kind of required to give some input on the situation, but the overall decision was up to Matt Slover, who, I might add, had no kind of license in the profession. Ramona was the one with the license.
As far as security goes, there was practically none. It was just a regular house, and Matt and Ramona spent most of their time in their own living room watching TV or whatever. Two kids ran away together the first week they were there while Matt and Ramona were in the other room, and they didn't figure it out until about an hour later. Another kid ran away 3 times the first week and a half he was there. Another kid kept threatening suicide, ran away twice, and cut his wrist with a serrated butter knife. Matt and Ramona embarrassed him in front of us other kids and in public saying that he wasn't really trying to kill himself and that it was just a cut. Even though this might have been true, that he wasn't really trying to kill himself, that conversation should have been kept between them.

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