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Threatening signs, tire slashed, truck with flames and loud pipes - two encounters, a call to 911. If my last light comes. make it "last light" for the schools. My wife and others will know who's hand came to pass.

Hi Ginger -- Good Grief.

The Quote I really love is this one.

... shake off all the fears of servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. You will naturally examine first the religion of your own country. Read the bible then, as you would read Livy or Tacitus. The testimony of the writer weighs in their favor in one scale, and their not being against the laws of nature does not weigh against them. But those facts in the bible which contradict the laws of nature, must be examined with more care, and under a variety of faces. Here you must recur to the pretensions of the writer to inspiration from god. Examine upon what evidence his pretensions are founded, and whether that evidence is so strong as that it's [sic] falshood [sic] would be more improbable than a change of the laws of nature in the case he relates.... Do not be frightened from this enquiry by any fear of it's [sic] consequences. If it ends in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in it's [sic] exercise, and the love of others which it will procure you. If you find reason to believe there is a god, a consciousness that you are acting under his eye, and that he approves you, will be a vast additional incitement. If that there be a future state, the hope of a happy existence in that increases the appetite to deserve it; if that Jesus was also a god, you will be comforted by a belief of his aid and love. In fine, I repeat that you must lay aside all prejudice on both sides, and neither believe nor reject any thing because any other person, or description of persons have rejected or believed it. Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable not for the rightness but uprightness of the decision.... (Thomas Jefferson, letter to his young nephew Peter Carr, August 10, 1787. From Adrienne Koch, ed., The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society, New York: George Braziller, 1965, pp. 320-321.)

On 2004-03-23 15:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That's a great assessment of the Brown School's mismanagement.  I remember when they bought CEDU and stated that they had no intentions of changing anything about the program.  Boy were they stupid.  They just wanted the dough to keep flowing in.  What they didn't know is that CEDU had reached the peak of its cycle.  Wasserman played it perfectly.  



I don't feel sorry for The Brown Schools because I saw the quality of management they brought to the table.  The only thing they knew how to do was point fingers and blame everyone but themselves.  If they would have intercepted the school from the degenerates who were running it, (and we all know who I'm speaking of teamleaders),  they could have salvaged something.  



I also remember the many therapist who came to the program eager to help.  It was pathetic to see them time and time again be told by some psychotic, unstable teamleader that their PHD or Master's degree meant nothing.  Therapist were just another long line of CEDU staff for the Teamleaders to verbally abuse and ignore.  We had some great therapists at BCA.  



I knew when I left CEDU that the cancer had metastisized.  The Brown Schools should have cut it out as soon as they bought it.  I, for one, expressed this to them, but they did not listen, in fact, they turned on me.  Now they are rotting away from the inside out, and I'm living my dream.  I love the perfectness of the universe!!!!  



 



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The secret is out. hahahahahahahahahahahahah

What you say makes sense though I have never heard of the Stockholm Syndrome. You are right when you say that the staff began to replace the place of my mother. We really had no choice since all communication with the outside world was controlled by these same staff members. Every telephone call that we made was monitored. When I returned home and began telling my mother what went on there she was outraged. Her next question to me was to ask why I never told her any of this from the beginning, during our telephone conversations. This question seems to be typical of people who are looking at these institutions from the outside. They don't understand that all communication is monitored (both telephone calls and letters). It was easier to tell her that everything was going well than face being punished for telling the truth. The other part of not telling the truth is that after a while the truth seemed to change. I know this will sound strange, but being in an oppressed situation became a way of life. We new nothing else and so came to expect nothing better. There was the flip side of this as well. The staff for the most part were extremely nurturing. You have to understand that most kids in the school came from families that were often too caught up their professional and social lives to give much thought to their children. Most of us went home everyday to a house void of parents with only some sort of domestic staff to fill that void. So to be in a situation that gave us more attention than we had ever known was sort of nice. We finally had someone in our lives that seemed to replace that nurturing we were not receiving at home. I guess what I am trying to say is that there was a feeling of family at this school. It just wasn't unconditional. You were always aware that the tormenting and abuse were right around the corner.

Melissa

> Melissa,

> I am curious about your statement saying
> that you developed a dependency to the staff.
> I have read about kids who are in abusive situations
> developing something called the Stockholm Syndrome.
> This is what they say Patty Hurst had. You bond
> to the abuser and try to please him. Lots of these
> behavior modification schools try to make the
> children detach from their parents by cutting
> off all communication and belittling them. They
> break them down to build them up. Unfortunately,
> with children, they remain broken down. The abuser
> then becomes like a parent. Having been in a situation
> like this, what are your feelings? Have you heard
> of this? Do you think there is any validity to
> this theory. No one knows better than a past student.
> Some call it brain washing. I don't know what
> to think.
> Donna
>



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> Donna,

> What you say makes sense though I have never
> heard of the Stockholm Syndrome. You are right
> when you say that the staff began to replace the
> place of my mother. We really had no choice since
> all communication with the outside world was controlled
> by these same staff members. Every telephone call
> that we made was monitored. When I returned home
> and began telling my mother what went on there
> she was outraged. Her next question to me was
> to ask why I never told her any of this from the
> beginning, during our telephone conversations.
> This question seems to be typical of people who
> are looking at these institutions from the outside.
> They don't understand that all communication is
> monitored (both telephone calls and letters).
> It was easier to tell her that everything was
> going well than face being punished for telling
> the truth. The other part of not telling the truth
> is that after a while the truth seemed to change.
> I know this will sound strange, but being in an
> oppressed situation became a way of life. We new
> nothing else and so came to expect nothing better.
> There was the flip side of this as well. The staff
> for the most part were extremely nurturing. You
> have to understand that most kids in the school
> came from families that were often too caught
> up their professional and social lives to give
> much thought to their children. Most of us went
> home everyday to a house void of parents with
> only some sort of domestic staff to fill that
> void. So to be in a situation that gave us more
> attention than we had ever known was sort of nice.
> We finally had someone in our lives that seemed
> to replace that nurturing we were not receiving
> at home. I guess what I am trying to say is that
> there was a feeling of family at this school.
> It just wasn't unconditional. You were always
> aware that the tormenting and abuse were right
> around the corner.

> Melissa
>  

 

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