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Hi,
I am looking for a therapeutic residential school, can anyone recommend any good ones?
Is there anyplace to find the top 10 list of therapeutic boarding schools anywhere in the US or Canada?
All suggestions welcome.

You have your work cut out for you. I left a program over 10 years ago, it was a WWASPS program. They are still around and are one of the worst and most abusive. If you want to help your kid do your research. Many of these programs lie about their licenses and accreditations. They will tell you they are accredited but they have accreditations from organizations that they created and are not recognized by the government.

A few tips,
1. Stay away from WWASPS and Aspen Education, this is difficult because they are hidden benefactors, check who owns the land that the program is on. That is a good way to find out who the program is asscociated with.
2.Stay away from any program that does mass therapy sessions, they are called by many different names, usually there are at least 2 and up to 5 different "seminars" required for graduating a program.
3.I would be wary of any program listed with NATSAP, google NATSAP and they have lists of hundreds of programs, I have found several that were closed due to abuse.
4.Any program that wants to cut off your communication with your child. They will say that you can receive mail but no phone calls until a certain level of achievement, in my experience this is to assimilate the child to abusive conditions.
5. Any program that has roots or connections in Utah. Utah has different child welfare laws and can get away with alot more abuse. Even if the program is not in  Utah, affiliation with any agency in Utah is a warning sign.
6. DO NOT send your kid to another country!!! To me this is a sure sign that your child will be abused.

I do not know of a single program I can recommend, I have not found one that is anything more than a scam preying on troubled parents.

Exactly, It would be great to earn money this way.  But really who would pay me to do this?  Its funny that you mention it because many people here think I get paid to do this.  Now who is mentally challenged?  lol  Do you see what I mean?

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Ummm. I don't know, maybe the billion dollar business that is getting stabbed in the ass by the invention of the internet and availability of information? They might pay someone to attempt to discredit the people who are exposing them. No, that would never happen, just like they wouldn't pay government officials to protect their interests.
http://robertlichfield.blogspot.com/

And for the record, no, I do not see what you mean. At all.

I have people lie about me also, call me an industry person, say I make money off the industry and tell people that my name is John Reuben.  So lying seems to be a integral part of fornits, Gonzotherapy.  You have not seen any of my links because you were not here then.  I never knew you when you attended a CEDU school, but that doesnt mean you didnt go there.

If someone says that all programs brainwash kids then I know this to be inaccurate information.  If they say all kids were abused at a program I know this to be false also.  I know this because I have seen kids who did well.

Imagine for a minute that someone said "Not one child has ever been abused in a program".  Its such a bold statement that we know the poster has no knowledge to base this on, so we can conclude the information is highly likely to be inaccurate or fabricated.



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From my limited experience I have seen you blatantly lie and fabricate information to discredit anti-program people. Now, what would be your motivation? I mean seriously, you are here every day, all day. Either you are wealthy and extremely bored and and a little fucked in the head if this is how you choose to entertain yourself. Or you have a job that requires little or none of your attention. Or option three which makes the most sense, this is your job.

Regardless, I have argued many points with you. I provide links to verify my info, you have never provided a link with any sort of accurate information. At least not that I have seen. And I might add, if this is your job and I was your boss, I would fire your dumb ass. Really, you make yourself look way more mentally challenged than anyone else possibly could. :ftard:

Since I am, of course, on the opposite side of your arguments (and to be honest I hesitate even to grace them with that level of achievement), KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!  :tup:

Here is a excellent example of programs being liars by misrepresentation. This is David Gilcrease, the man who staffed my first seminar, they called it "Discovery" back then. Oh yeah and they called him a "Facilitator" because he has no license or accreditation to do therapy as far as I have found.
http://www.resourcerealizations.com/

Notice in the middle of his introduction he states that his Academy is recognized. By who? The pretend psychology institute of America?

Expert Education – The Resource Academy is a recognized learning institution whose purpose is to train, equip and certify facilitators and coaches to effectively impact change in lives and the world.

http://www.caica.org/Teen%20Help%20-%20men.htm

David Gilcrease, member of the Gilcrease family that founded Phillips Petroleum started experimenting with mind control/brainwashing in the early 1960's. He is founder of Resource Realizations, which has been sued along with the Worldwide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) for mentally and physically torturing and brainwashing America's children.
According to David Gilcrease, founder of Resource Realizations, people are to follow the new rules of the game which are listed as: power (accepting the will of those claiming authority), willingness to learn (ability to be brainwashed), choosing to change (never asking questions or demanding respect), respecting reality (accepting their version of reality), and seeing the world in terms of working/not working. The old rules of the game of life, according to Gilcrease are: control (of self), withhold (belief in privacy rights), victim (demanding redresses for being wronged), protection (expectation of safety from physical and mental distress), choosing to stay the same (refusing the brainwashing), denial of reality (denying the reality they wish to instate), and seeing the world in terms of right and wrong. The old rules being those that do not work or in plain English, are wrong for humanity.

Many personal accounts describe the seminars "brainwashing," "humiliating," and "destructive."

Several parents have reported that Resource Realizations staff members encouraged them to leave their spouse because he/she did not approve of the seminars.

David Gilcrease, Founder and President of Resource Realizations/Premier Education, is a former Lifespring trainer.

Lifespring has been classified as a cult.

As of yet I have found no official psychology/counseling training or certification for this quack.

I stumbled upon fornits 5 years ago and witnessed an extremely biased and uninformed group talking about Therapeutic boarding Schools.  They were comparing them to brainwashing in Korea and were saying that kids were locked up and abused.  This intrigued me and I stuck around and read for about a month or so before I posted.
I post here to add an updated perspective and fill a void of understanding that is missing.  Most of us can agree that current Therpeutic Boarding schools are not well represented here and many of the frequent posters are from straight or WWASPS programs from the past and many people view the industry from that perspective.
I was also taken back by how threatened people here were at the sight of credible information, studies and statistics that were brought up and the amount of time and energy that was spent to discredit the studies and books versus the amount of effort it takes to actually read them and discuss the findings.
Why would a group of people try so hard to keep information from being discussed or validated.  So I stuck around and have been posting ever since.


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Oh my dear god. This is the funniest thing you have ever written. Talk about your great works of fiction.
Credible information? I have seen you provide no credible info, ever. Not even a vowel.
Fill a void of misunderstanding? You are emptying a void Whooter, somehow you manage to spill shit from the void between your ears. This is an amazing work of physics, and I think you should get a prize for it. Here ya go ::puke::
I think your last statement/question is a good one. Why would a group of people try so hard to keep information from being discussed or validated? Well, since there is a great deal of belief that you are here protecting a program lined pocketbook, the answer is :jamin:  drumroll please..... A BILLION dollar industry covering its ass.

Please show me one shred of credible information Whooter, that means something pro-program that has no monetary kickback for being so.

Well, I won the lifeboat. I lived. So David Gilcrease can suck it. That exercise was stupid as hell. Stupid seminars...

Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"

We have all told lies from time to time Whooter.

Cheers Gonzo!!  We all know.



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You don't happen to have a link as to where you found that quote do you Whooter?
Since you insist on falsifying my quotes, I am forced to reveal the truth. Wow, well played idiot.
viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975#p374568

Is this the best you can do?

I am a liar, and more importantly, I am an idiot.

Does anybody have anything else to offer?

I would happily contribute. I don't have the time to write my entire story right now, but if you are really interested send me a p.m. and I will tell you all you want to know. I spent about a year in a WWASPS program in '96-'97. Both facilities I was in were shut down not too long after I left. If you are really interested in discovering the truth behind these programs, the same methods they used on me are used in most programs today. Mass therapy sessions, therapy by "upper level" peers, etc...

I actually did fairly well, I went home because my parents could no longer afford to keep me in, but I was well on my way to graduating. In fact the levels above me were basically just junior staff and the way to advance through them was nothing more than time. I had already shown the necessary "changes" to achieve a junior staff level.

Make no mistake though, I am absolutely of the opinion that 99% of these programs are scams. They are geared toward profit and are in no way attempting to actually help the kids enrolled. Their methods of treatment are simply a scheme to cover up their shameless profiteering.