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Title: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify police
Post by: Ursus on February 10, 2012, 11:49:44 PM
This piece of news is about a year old, but nonetheless noteworthy enough to warrant its own thread...

The original article (in Spanish) follows immediately below; crude Google translation to be posted subsequent:

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Diario Junio - Argentina
25/01/2011 - 07:06:59

ISLAS IBICUY: El centro privado está ubicado en Villa Paranacito

Más de 20 internos de un centro de rehabilitación se escaparon y denunciaron malos tratos en la comisaría (http://http://www.diariojunio.com.ar/noticias.php?ed=1&di=0&no=43183)

Un total de 24 pacientes del instituto de rehabilitación de adicciones ubicado en Villa Paranacito se escaparon y entregaron un petitorio a la policía de ese lugar en el que denuncian malos tratos. Mientras la justicia de Gualeguaychú investiga el carácter del petitorio, los pacientes decidieron no regresar al instituto privado. En el petitorio se hacían severas críticas por la calidad de las comidas y las condiciones de albergue.

Quienes se escaparon, en su mayoría, padecen problemas con el consumo de estupefacientes y provienen de la provincia de Buenos Aires, Capital Federal, Córdoba, Rosario y Mendoza.

Fueron localizados en cercanías de la costa del río y luego fueron trasladados a la Jefatura de Islas, ubicada en Villa Paranacito. El petitorio de quejas fue entregado al juez de Instrucción de Gualeguaychú, Eduardo García Jurado. Según informa Uno, los empleados del instituto Ibicuy dio aviso del escape.

El hecho ocurrió el domingo y vale destacar que presentaron una contradenuncia, las autoridades del Programa Ibicuy, por el delito de amenazas en su defensa.


Diario Junio Digital - (c) 2003
Title: More than 20 inmates of a rehabilitation center escaped and.
Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 12:02:29 AM
Here's the crude Google translation. If anyone can post more accurate particulars and/or interpretations, please feel free to do so!

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Diario Junio - Argentina
25/01/2011 - 07:06:59

IBICUY ISLANDS: The private school is located in Villa Paranacito

More than 20 inmates of a rehabilitation center escaped and reported abuse at the police station (http://http://www.diariojunio.com.ar/noticias.php?ed=1&di=0&no=43183)

A total of 24 patients in addiction rehabilitation institute located in Villa Paranacito escaped and delivered a petition to the police in that place where the abuse report. While Justice investigates the nature of Gualeguaychú request, the patients decided not to return to private school. At the request was made severe criticism for the quality of food and shelter conditions.

Those who escaped, mostly suffering from problems with drug use and come from the province of Buenos Aires, Capital Federal, Cordoba, Rosario and Mendoza.

Were located on the coast near the river and then were transferred to the Head Island, located in Villa Paranacito. The petition of grievances was presented to Judge Gualeguaychú Instruction, Eduardo Garcia Jurado. As reported by one, Ibicuy institute employees gave notice of the leak.

The incident occurred on Sunday and is worth noting that filed a counterclaim, authorities Ibicuy Program for the offense of threats to his defense.


Diario Junio Digital - (c) 2003
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2012, 12:03:05 AM
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Title: Comments: "Más de 20 internos de un centro de rehabilitación
Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 01:25:59 AM
A comment (http://http://www.diariojunio.com.ar/noticias.php?ed=1&di=0&no=43183#Comentar) left on the above article, "Más de 20 internos de un centro de rehabilitación se escaparon y denunciaron malos tratos en la comisaría (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=39041&p=413078#p413047)" (25/01/2011, Diario Junio), and a crude Google translation thereof:


Raúl · 2011-01-25 19:27:33
They want??? give them INTERNET AND SATELLITE TV?? Ideally, these guys could clean gutters, paint, gutters, carry out repairs to schools (chairs, tables, pictures) and there will know that the best way to pass time is ... DOING SOMETHING![/list]


Diario Junio Digital - (c) 2003
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Oscar on February 11, 2012, 02:29:02 AM
This article includes photo of the facility


Pacientes de centro de rehabilitación escapan y denuncian malos tratos (http://http://www.unoentrerios.com.ar/policiales/Pacientes-de-centro-de-rehabilitacion-escapan-y-denuncian-malos-tratos-20110124-0040.html)
UNO

La Justicia de Instrucción de Gualeguaychú investiga el tenor del petitorio que fue entregado por 24 pacientes del instituto de rehabilitación de adicciones ubicado en Villa Paranacito. Las personas que se encontraban en pleno tratamiento, decidieron en la noche del domingo declararse en rebeldía por lo que emprendieron la fuga sin producir mayores situaciones de violencia.
 
Desde la Policía se informó a UNO que el personal del instituto Ibicuy dio aviso de la inédita situación por lo que se inició un operativo de búsqueda de las 24 personas.
 
En el interior de las instalaciones quedaron 26 pacientes más que no se plegaron a la medida de fuerza y fuga.
 
Los afectados que decidieron escaparse del lugar, en su mayoría padecen problemas con el consumo de estupefacientes y provienen de la provincia de Buenos Aires, Capital Federal, Córdoba, Rosario y Mendoza.
 
Para ingresar al instituto se debe abonar un arancel que no sería económico, por lo que a nivel nacional esta clínica de rehabilitación es considerada una de las mejores en su tipo, por el tratamiento y las instalaciones que se levantaron en una zona tranquila y mejorada por los titulares del emprendimiento. Las autoridades de la Policía de Islas, indicaron que los fugados fueron localizados en cercanías de la costa del río y luego fueron trasladados sin ningún tipo de inconvenientes a la Jefatura de Islas, ubicada en Villa Paranacito.
 
Allí fueron contenidos y asistidos, en tanto que el petitorio de quejas fue entregado al juez de Instrucción de Gualeguaychú, Eduardo García Jurado, que tomó directa intervención en el suceso.
 
Mientras esto ocurría, se verificó que en el interior del instituto privado se albergaban 26 personas, las cuales no expresaron ningún tipo de problemas.
 
Los responsables de la clínica llegaron ayer a la tarde provenientes de Buenos Aires y, tras contactarse con las autoridades policiales y judiciales, se entrevistaron con los familiares de los 24 pacientes que se encontraban en conflicto.
 
En el petitorio se hacían severas críticas por la calidad de las comidas, como también las condiciones de albergue del instituto de rehabilitación privado. Se conoció que anoche la mayoría de los afectados en proceso de rehabilitación decidió, junto a sus familiares, retirarse del emprendimiento, en tanto que ahora la autoridad judicial de Gualeguaychú avanzará en la investigación para establecer la veracidad de la denuncia y los dichos de los pacientes que finalmente abandonaron el instituto, luego de fugarse del lugar. Se confirmó que hasta anoche era normal el desarrollo de las actividades en el lugar.

Rough translation:

REHAB PATIENTS ESCAPE AND REPORT ABUSE


Justice investigates Gualeguaychú Instruction under petition that was delivered for 24 patients in addiction rehabilitation institute located in Villa Paranacito. People who were in full treatment, decided on Sunday night declared in default so they made their escape without causing more violence.
 
Since the police were informed that ONE Ibicuy institute staff gave notice of the unprecedented situation which started a search operation for 24 people.
 
Inside the facility was 26 patients that were folded to the measure of strength and leak.
 
The victims who decided to escape the place, most have problems with drug use and come from the province of Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Cordoba, Rosario and Mendoza.
 
To enter the school must pay a fee that is not economic, so this national rehabilitation clinic is considered one of the best of its kind, for the treatment and facilities that were built in a quiet and enhanced by holders of the venture. Authorities Islands Police indicated that the escapees were located in the vicinity of the riverbank and then were transferred without any inconvenience to the Head Island, located in Villa Paranacito.
 
They were housed and cared for, while the petition of grievances was presented to the examining magistrate of Gualeguaychú, Eduardo Garcia Jurado, who took direct intervention in the event.
 
As this happened, it was found that within the private school housed 26 people, which did not express any problems.
 
Those responsible for the clinic yesterday afternoon arrived from Buenos Aires and after contact with law enforcement authorities, met with the families of the 24 patients who were in conflict.
 
At the request was made severe criticism for the quality of meals, and terms and conditions of hostel private rehabilitation institute. It was learned last night that most of those affected in the rehabilitation process decided, with their families, withdraw from the venture, while now the judicial authority of Gualeguaychú advances in research to establish the veracity of the complaint and those of patients finally left the school after running away from the place. It was last night confirmed that normal development of activities in place.
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Oscar on February 11, 2012, 02:34:29 AM
Homepage of the program: Program Ibicuy (http://http://www.ibicuy.com/home.htm)

Unfortunately they have made their homepage in a way which makes it impossible for me to copy paste the text into google translate so I am unable to understand what they state about education and treatment on their website.

Based on a computer analyze of the photo on their webpage, the campus should be located here (http://http://maps.google.dk/maps?q=ibicuy,+Villa+Paranacito,+Entre+Rios,+Argentina&hl=da&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.724509,-58.660072&spn=0.002423,0.005284&hnear=Villa+Paranacito,+Entre+R%C3%ADos,+Argentina&t=h&z=18&lci=com.panoramio.all).
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2012, 02:42:36 AM
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Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Xelebes on February 11, 2012, 03:02:48 AM
Quote from: "Oscar"
Homepage of the program: Program Ibicuy (http://http://www.ibicuy.com/home.htm)

Unfortunately they have made their homepage in a way which makes it impossible for me to copy paste the text into google translate so I am unable to understand what they state about education and treatment on their website.

Based on a computer analyze of the photo on their webpage, the campus should be located here (http://http://maps.google.dk/maps?q=ibicuy,+Villa+Paranacito,+Entre+Rios,+Argentina&hl=da&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.724509,-58.660072&spn=0.002423,0.005284&hnear=Villa+Paranacito,+Entre+R%C3%ADos,+Argentina&t=h&z=18&lci=com.panoramio.all).

Site uses a scrolling quote from Aristotle, who is famous for discussing Nicomachean ethics where the belief that young should be governed by laws is established.  File that one for the Thought Reform forum.

Not really seeing anything particularly remarkable but I can manage an ok translation (paw around with my knowledge of Latin and French.)  It has all the goody-goody schlock one would expect with these scams.  Has a primary focus on drugs - or rather imagines itself as having a solution for every problem under the sun by blaming the consumption of drugs.
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Oscar on February 11, 2012, 03:03:52 AM
We have located a name: Juan Carlos Ferreyra

It seems that he had been at Elan in the United States years back. I was surprised that we had an old entry of this program on Fornits Wiki (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Ibicuy,_Argentina), but Paulu made this one April 2009. Here is an old thread on Fornits (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21275)

Here is an article:

Una exclusiva comunidad para tratar adicciones (http://http://saludable.infobae.com/una-exclusiva-comunidad-para-tratar-adicciones-la-alternativa-en-entidades-intermedias/)

A 180 kilómetros de la Capital Federal, Ibicuy ocupa un lugar de privilegio ante el vacío de instituciones que no sean hospitales ni clínicas. “Trabajamos en enseñarle a los pacientes que hay otras maneras de obtener placer y proveerle herramientas para que tomen el control de su vida”, dijo su director a Infobae.com
“Yo pasé por este tratamiento en los EEUU, en 1983, y me di cuenta que no había en la Argentina este tipo de comunidad”. Así, en primera persona, contó a Infobae.com

Juan Carlos Ferreyra los inicios de Ibicuy.

El director de la institución que se plantea como “una alternativa de solución eficaz a problemas de comportamiento serios en jóvenes y adolescentes, generalmente asociados al consumo de drogas” –tal como reza la página web del lugar- contó que a la comunidad ubicada en Villa Paranacito (Entre Ríos) llegan “casos que ya hicieron, sin éxito, tratamiento en otros lugares”.

“Trabajamos en la raíz del problema, para nosotros no basta tener a una persona en un lugar sin que se drogue. Hay que enseñarle otras maneras de obtener placer y demostrarle que hay actitudes de vida que hacen que tome el control de sus actos”, aseguró Ferreyra, quien remarcó que el programa que allí utilizan “recrea ejercicios y experiencias que hacen que la persona sea responsable, dado que una de las características del adicto es que cree que no es responsable de lo que le pasa”.


Según el director de la entidad, “la adicción no se trata. Lo que sí se trata es que la persona adquiera el grado de responsabilidad para tomar decisiones que no sean autodestructivas, ya que en la vida siempre se va a encontrar con problemas”.

“Todos quieren que su hijo no se drogue, pero lo que no saben es que el problema empezó antes de que se drogue”, destacó.

Acerca de qué adicciones son las que en Ibicuy tratan, Ferreyra destacó que “drogas, alcohol, bulimia, anorexia, todas las conductas que derivan en adicciones y por distintas razones el paciente llega a ese punto de salida, de evasión”.

“No siempre es necesario contar con la aprobación voluntaria del paciente para iniciar la recuperación. En menores de edad, por ejemplo, alcanza con la autorización de los padres”, destacó el director, y subrayó: “La experiencia demuestra que aquellos que ingresan contra su voluntad tienen casi las mismas posibilidades de recuperación de quienes acuden por propia determinación”.

En la entidad –según palabras de su director- parten de la premisa de que “el vínculo que trae el paciente con la familia es enfermizo” y que “hay que romperlo y empezar desde otro lado”.

Es por eso que el tema de las visitas lo tratan “de manera terapéutica”: “Como en general no valoran (los pacientes) el vínculo con sus familiares, entonces restringimos las visitas para que lo aprecien. Mientras, las familias también se involucran en el tratamiento, en la dependencia de Ibicuy de la Capital Federal”.

A modo de conclusión, Ferreyra enfatizó que debe hacerse hincapié “en la raíz del problema y no cuando el síntoma está instalado”.

“De los que terminan el tratamiento, 8 de cada 10 están bien (los otros dos reinciden y a veces necesitan una re internación, generalmente a causa de problemas familiares que el grupo no quiere cambiar)”, sintetizó Ferreyra, quien destacó que terminan siete de cada 10 ingresados.
 
El método
Implementado por un equipo médico que integran psiquiatras, psicólogos, médicos clínicos y enfermeros, “el programa está organizado de manera tal de provocar una crisis ya que detrás de la crisis está el cambio. El programa genera las crisis y las resuelve en el propio ámbito”, según explicó Ferreyra.
“Desde el ingreso, cada residente es evaluado por un psicólogo, que establece su diagnóstico inicial y, a partir de entonces, va efectuando sucesivos test de progreso, hasta determinar el alta”, detalla la web de Ibicuy.

Así, la actividad de los residentes está organizada en departamentos de cocina, mantenimiento, seguridad, comercial y comunicaciones. “El residente nuevo comienza siendo un trabajador común y gradualmente asume cargos de mayor responsabilidad. Luego supervisa a otros ‘trabajadores’ y puede convertirse en jefe de departamento, aprendiz de coordinador y por último coordinador”.

Rougly translated:

An exclusive community to treat addiction

180 kilometers from Buenos Aires, Ibicuy occupies a privileged place at the emptiness of institutions other than hospitals or clinics. "We work on teaching patients that there are other ways to get pleasure and provide tools to take control of your life, "said its director Infobae.com

"I went through this treatment in the U.S., in 1983, and I realized that there was in Argentina this type of community." Thus, in first person, told Juan Carlos Ferreyra Infobae.com the early Ibicuy.

The director of the institution that is promoted as "an effective alternative solution to serious behavioral problems in youths and adolescents, usually associated with drug use," as it says the website of the place, told the community located in Villa Paranacito (Entre Rios) reach "cases that were unsuccessfully treated elsewhere."

"We work at the root of the problem, not enough for us to have a person in a place without drogue. You have to teach other ways to get pleasure and show that there are attitudes that make life take control of their actions, "said Ferreyra, who stressed that the program used there" recreates exercises and experiences that the person is responsible, since one of the characteristics of the addict is that he believes is not responsible for what happens. "

According to the director of the entity, "addiction is not. What I question is that the person acquires the degree of responsibility to make decisions that are not self-destructive, and that life is always going to find problems. "

"Everyone wants their child is not drugged, but I do not know is that the problem started before the drogue" he said.

About what addictions are treated in Ibicuy, Ferreyra said that "drugs, alcohol, bulimia, anorexia, all behaviors that lead to addictions and for various reasons the patient arrives at the exit point of evasion."

"It is not always necessary to have the patient's voluntary approval to start the recovery. Minors, for example, achieved with parental consent," the director, and said:

"Experience shows that those entering from His will have almost the same chances of recovery of those who come on their own determination. "

In the entity-in the words of its director-start from the premise that "the link that brings the patient to the family is sick" and that "we must break it and start from the other side."

That's why the theme of the visits they treat "so therapeutic": "As in general do not value (patients) the link with family, then restrict the visitors to appreciate it. Meanwhile, families are also involved in treatment, Ibicuy dependence of the Federal Capital. "

In conclusion, Ferreyra stressed that emphasis should be placed "at the root of the problem and not when the sign is installed."

"Of those who complete treatment, 8 out of 10 are good (the other two re-offend and sometimes need a re admission, usually because of family problems that the group does not change)," summarized Ferreyra, who stressed that ending seven every 10 admitted.
 
The method

Implemented by a medical team comprising psychiatrists, psychologists, clinicians and nurses, "the program is organized so as to provoke a crisis because the crisis is behind the change. The program generates and resolve crises in their own area, "Ferreyra explained.

"From the entrance, each resident is evaluated by a psychologist, which sets the initial diagnosis and, thereafter, is making progress successive tests to determine high," explains the Web Ibicuy.

Thus, the activity of the residents is organized into departments of kitchen, maintenance, security, trade and communications. "The new resident begins as a common laborer and gradually assume positions of greater responsibility. Then supervises other 'workers' and can become head of department, apprentice coordinator and finally coordinator ".
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Xelebes on February 11, 2012, 03:08:14 AM
Bingo Bango

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The method

Implemented by a medical team comprising psychiatrists, psychologists, clinicians and nurses, "the program is organized so as to provoke a crisis because the crisis is behind the change. The program generates and resolve crises in their own area, "Ferreyra explained.
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Oscar on February 11, 2012, 03:11:52 AM
I don't know anything about the educational standard in Argentina, but the comments on these two youtube videos are almost impossible to understand beside words like "murderer", "suicide" and "Ferreyra"

Video: drogas Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8poNHmXEvs)
Video: Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCLDMHZC6rs)
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2012, 03:13:42 AM
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Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2012, 03:16:42 AM
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Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Xelebes on February 11, 2012, 03:17:42 AM
Quote from: "Oscar"
I don't know anything about the educational standard in Argentina, but the comments on these two youtube videos are almost impossible to understand beside words like "murderer", "suicide" and "Ferreyra"

Video: drogas Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8poNHmXEvs)
Video: Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCLDMHZC6rs)

First video's most recent comment is remarking on the language being directly lifted from the 1980s.
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Xelebes on February 11, 2012, 03:34:22 AM
Quote from: "Xelebes"
Quote from: "Oscar"
I don't know anything about the educational standard in Argentina, but the comments on these two youtube videos are almost impossible to understand beside words like "murderer", "suicide" and "Ferreyra"

Video: drogas Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8poNHmXEvs)
Video: Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCLDMHZC6rs)

First video's most recent comment is remarking on the language being directly lifted from the 1980s.

Second most recent comment is a poetic but vitriolic comment, "the reality show spawning psychopaths"

Third comment: "I admitted i was there, but now they are paying for everything they have done for years."  This is refering to the escapees and the intervention of the police.

Fourth comment: Is noting that the amount of pressure to comply with the vitriol is too much and may be toxic, in response to a previous post.

Fifth comment: This robbing pig (robbing fatso), Ferriera is a farce and has had no respect for human rights since 1986.  So on and so forth.
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2012, 03:49:44 AM
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Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Muppeteer on February 11, 2012, 09:03:50 AM
Great things can happen when we work as a team, kids, ;)

Haters gonna hate, but I am going to track these programs and staff like Simon Weisenthal tracked Nazi's.

As for the Programa Ibicuy website, the Portuguese side of it translated pretty smoothly with the Google translate.

I'll have a human look at the article about the runaways on Monday.
Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2012, 10:16:02 AM
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Title: denunciaibicuy's uploaded YouTube clips
Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: "Xelebes"
Quote from: "Xelebes"
Quote from: "Oscar"
I don't know anything about the educational standard in Argentina, but the comments on these two youtube videos are almost impossible to understand beside words like "murderer", "suicide" and "Ferreyra"

Video: drogas Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8poNHmXEvs)
Video: Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCLDMHZC6rs)
First video's most recent comment is remarking on the language being directly lifted from the 1980s.
Second most recent comment is a poetic but vitriolic comment, "the reality show spawning psychopaths"

Third comment: "I admitted i was there, but now they are paying for everything they have done for years."  This is refering to the escapees and the intervention of the police.

Fourth comment: Is noting that the amount of pressure to comply with the vitriol is too much and may be toxic, in response to a previous post.

Fifth comment: This robbing pig (robbing fatso), Ferriera is a farce and has had no respect for human rights since 1986.  So on and so forth.
The above YouTube clips and their comments were previously posted, along with crude translations thereof, as follows:

Links to posts with YouTube user denunciaibicuy's uploaded material:

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Title: Re: denunciaibicuy's uploaded YouTube clips
Post by: Xelebes on February 11, 2012, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Xelebes"
Quote from: "Xelebes"
Quote from: "Oscar"
I don't know anything about the educational standard in Argentina, but the comments on these two youtube videos are almost impossible to understand beside words like "murderer", "suicide" and "Ferreyra"

Video: drogas Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8poNHmXEvs)
Video: Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCLDMHZC6rs)
First video's most recent comment is remarking on the language being directly lifted from the 1980s.
Second most recent comment is a poetic but vitriolic comment, "the reality show spawning psychopaths"

Third comment: "I admitted i was there, but now they are paying for everything they have done for years."  This is refering to the escapees and the intervention of the police.

Fourth comment: Is noting that the amount of pressure to comply with the vitriol is too much and may be toxic, in response to a previous post.

Fifth comment: This robbing pig (robbing fatso), Ferriera is a farce and has had no respect for human rights since 1986.  So on and so forth.
The above YouTube clips and their comments were previously posted, along with crude translations thereof, as follows:

    Links to posts with YouTube user denunciaibicuy's uploaded material:

    • YouTube clip "drogas Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39025&start=15#p412853)"
      [li]Comments (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39025&start=15#p412856): "drogas Programa Ibicuy"
    • YouTube clip "Programa Ibicuy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39025&p=412947#p412947)"
    • Comments (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39025&p=412950#p412950): "Programa Ibicuy"
    [/li][/list][/size]

    Perfectly aware of that.
    Title: Re: Rehab patients escape and report abuse
    Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 02:49:15 PM
    Quote from: "Oscar"
    This article includes photo of the facility


    Pacientes de centro de rehabilitación escapan y denuncian malos tratos (http://http://www.unoentrerios.com.ar/policiales/Pacientes-de-centro-de-rehabilitacion-escapan-y-denuncian-malos-tratos-20110124-0040.html)
    UNO

    La Justicia de Instrucción de Gualeguaychú investiga el tenor del petitorio que fue entregado por 24 pacientes del instituto de rehabilitación de adicciones ubicado en Villa Paranacito. Las personas que se encontraban en pleno tratamiento, decidieron en la noche del domingo declararse en rebeldía por lo que emprendieron la fuga sin producir mayores situaciones de violencia.
     
    Desde la Policía se informó a UNO que el personal del instituto Ibicuy dio aviso de la inédita situación por lo que se inició un operativo de búsqueda de las 24 personas.
     
    En el interior de las instalaciones quedaron 26 pacientes más que no se plegaron a la medida de fuerza y fuga.
     
    Los afectados que decidieron escaparse del lugar, en su mayoría padecen problemas con el consumo de estupefacientes y provienen de la provincia de Buenos Aires, Capital Federal, Córdoba, Rosario y Mendoza.
     
    Para ingresar al instituto se debe abonar un arancel que no sería económico, por lo que a nivel nacional esta clínica de rehabilitación es considerada una de las mejores en su tipo, por el tratamiento y las instalaciones que se levantaron en una zona tranquila y mejorada por los titulares del emprendimiento. Las autoridades de la Policía de Islas, indicaron que los fugados fueron localizados en cercanías de la costa del río y luego fueron trasladados sin ningún tipo de inconvenientes a la Jefatura de Islas, ubicada en Villa Paranacito.
     
    Allí fueron contenidos y asistidos, en tanto que el petitorio de quejas fue entregado al juez de Instrucción de Gualeguaychú, Eduardo García Jurado, que tomó directa intervención en el suceso.
     
    Mientras esto ocurría, se verificó que en el interior del instituto privado se albergaban 26 personas, las cuales no expresaron ningún tipo de problemas.
     
    Los responsables de la clínica llegaron ayer a la tarde provenientes de Buenos Aires y, tras contactarse con las autoridades policiales y judiciales, se entrevistaron con los familiares de los 24 pacientes que se encontraban en conflicto.
     
    En el petitorio se hacían severas críticas por la calidad de las comidas, como también las condiciones de albergue del instituto de rehabilitación privado. Se conoció que anoche la mayoría de los afectados en proceso de rehabilitación decidió, junto a sus familiares, retirarse del emprendimiento, en tanto que ahora la autoridad judicial de Gualeguaychú avanzará en la investigación para establecer la veracidad de la denuncia y los dichos de los pacientes que finalmente abandonaron el instituto, luego de fugarse del lugar. Se confirmó que hasta anoche era normal el desarrollo de las actividades en el lugar.

    Rough translation:

    REHAB PATIENTS ESCAPE AND REPORT ABUSE


    Justice investigates Gualeguaychú Instruction under petition that was delivered for 24 patients in addiction rehabilitation institute located in Villa Paranacito. People who were in full treatment, decided on Sunday night declared in default so they made their escape without causing more violence.
     
    Since the police were informed that ONE Ibicuy institute staff gave notice of the unprecedented situation which started a search operation for 24 people.
     
    Inside the facility was 26 patients that were folded to the measure of strength and leak.
     
    The victims who decided to escape the place, most have problems with drug use and come from the province of Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Cordoba, Rosario and Mendoza.
     
    To enter the school must pay a fee that is not economic, so this national rehabilitation clinic is considered one of the best of its kind, for the treatment and facilities that were built in a quiet and enhanced by holders of the venture. Authorities Islands Police indicated that the escapees were located in the vicinity of the riverbank and then were transferred without any inconvenience to the Head Island, located in Villa Paranacito.
     
    They were housed and cared for, while the petition of grievances was presented to the examining magistrate of Gualeguaychú, Eduardo Garcia Jurado, who took direct intervention in the event.
     
    As this happened, it was found that within the private school housed 26 people, which did not express any problems.
     
    Those responsible for the clinic yesterday afternoon arrived from Buenos Aires and after contact with law enforcement authorities, met with the families of the 24 patients who were in conflict.
     
    At the request was made severe criticism for the quality of meals, and terms and conditions of hostel private rehabilitation institute. It was learned last night that most of those affected in the rehabilitation process decided, with their families, withdraw from the venture, while now the judicial authority of Gualeguaychú advances in research to establish the veracity of the complaint and those of patients finally left the school after running away from the place. It was last night confirmed that normal development of activities in place.
    Date for the above article:

    Monday, January 24, 2011[/list]

    Subtitle for the above article that was accidentally omitted:

    Son 24 internos de un centro de rehabilitación de Villa Paranacito, que se escaparon y entregaron un petitorio a la Justicia.[/list]
    There are 24 inmates in a rehabilitation center in Villa Paranacito, who escaped and delivered a petition to the courts.[/list]
    Title: Comments: "Rehab patients escape and report abuse"
    Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 03:03:08 PM
    In case you're wondering where all the koolaid guzzlers are, some of them are here...

    Comments (http://http://www.unoentrerios.com.ar/policiales/Pacientes-de-centro-de-rehabilitacion-escapan-y-denuncian-malos-tratos-20110124-0040.html) left for the above article, "Pacientes de centro de rehabilitación escapan y denuncian malos tratos (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=39041&p=413127#p413126)" / "Rehab patients escape and report abuse" (January 24, 2011; Uno Graphica), and rough Google translations thereof:


    Soledad · 25-01-2011 11:57:33
    My brother is there, NADA has no complaints. They saved her life. We are grateful to all the dedicacion.Estos guys, and I say this because I have known, to visit my brother had a history x theft and absconding elsewhere.[/list]
    TRIADO · 25-01-2011 12:45:06
    FEDERICO GUILLERMO <br> <br> Triadó! PROUD TO PUT MY NAME FOR PROGRAM BROUGHT ME BACK THE WILL TO LIVE![/list]
    tomysoy · 25-01-2011 13:45:26
    There is no doubt that a group of misfits led mentira.Mi brother like this at the end of trat.y not only did not we lost but we recover the Flia!. A whole group of Prog.IBICUY HUMAN, my absolute and incond. support and respect. Thank you![/list]
    marianad · 25-01-2011 13:51:13
    This program is excellent, with amenities like no other. Most of those who escaped have criminal records and the only thing they want is to be on the street again. They do not care or their rehabilitation or the damage they cause to others.[/list]
    Valentin · 25-01-2011 17:08:51
    through the program I am what I am now, devo them all to think, because half of it go??? maltreatment, abuse? or conspiracy? because they were the others??? because they know the truth, they want to make a healthy life.[/list]
    shd2212 · 25-01-2011 18:10:40
    As a mother of a son who until recently was hospitalized in Ibicuy program, I have only words of thanks <br>. They help young and not so much to retrieve the value for life and they do out of respect. <br> The complaint is lying[/list]
    MSD2011 · 25-01-2011 19:24:13
    <br> I intend a 5 star spa; VALUES OF LIFE must be within ourselves and our families and the gains for ourselves and that's what's going little by little returning Ibicuy.[/list]
    MAIKEL · 26-01-2011 23:56:22
    Justice has to investigate. As a parent of a boarding school, I feel cheated on my good faith. It unnecessarily extended the program to my son, just for money. This gentleman and his band of psychologists are scam artists. <br>[/list]
    s10go · 27-01-2011 13:35:30
    [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])[/color][/list]
    Sabrina · 28-01-2011 00:26:47
    As a relative of a former resident who commented recommend to become informed before review. My nephew, graduation 5 years ago, has a decent job and a family that respects him, my support for the institution and the people who work there[/list]
    carlostol · 28-01-2011 00:35:06
    I do not think a person who does nothing for his life worthy of the respect that request and let you do what you sing! I am exresidente and even schizophrenia cure me many are aware of what they lived! I wish to improve for everyone![/list]
    s10go · 28-01-2011 10:12:38
    I am a former resident of this institution, I can speak to about it. Today I am very well, I owe it to the program but my will power and a personal decision. And yet I do not agree on the methodology of this institution <br>[/list]
    barbig · 28-01-2011 11:47:35
    PROGRAM FOR Ibicuy! Instead, health professionals and EXCELLENT. My boyfriend says he is hospitalized and q really good! afectos.Los retrieves values ??and rebels are liars, do not value life, add to unabashedly violent society![/list]
    s10go · 28-01-2011 12:51:07
    [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected]). Greetings <br> Diego <br>[/color][/list]


    © 2011 UNO GRAFICA.
    Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on February 11, 2012, 05:56:12 PM
    golly Ned ....Ursus ,Oscar ,

    clipboards ,headcounts , costumes , screaming ,blasts , Expeditors , Casa ,

    denouncing IBICUY videos ,

    the rumours are true , Fellow goes to Elan in poland springs Maine ,  Graduates and starts his own Elan  in South America ,smells like a duck ,looks like a duck , quacks like a duck , then why does the duck need a raincoat.

    Elan redoux  I hope not

    Its the same program , a deaf man could tell you that .

    Postings by koolaid "guzzlers " and then postings by the denouncers .

    The question is it a Mallard or a Muscovey.  hint there are both ducks.

    Sickening and unbeleivable ,yet a great find Ursus and Oscar , unbelievable ..........
    Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
    Post by: T-Rex on February 11, 2012, 06:47:06 PM
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    golly Ned ....Ursus ,Oscar ,

    clipboards ,headcounts , costumes , screaming ,blasts , Expeditors , Casa ,

    denouncing IBICUY videos ,

    the rumours are true , Fellow goes to Elan in poland springs Maine ,  Graduates and starts his own Elan  in South America ,smells like a duck ,looks like a duck , quacks like a duck , then why does the duck need a raincoat.

    Elan redoux  I hope not

    Its the same program , a deaf man could tell you that .

    Postings by koolaid "guzzlers " and then postings by the denouncers .

    The question is it a Mallard or a Muscovey.  hint there are both ducks.

    Sickening and unbeleivable ,yet a great find Ursus and Oscar , unbelievable ..........

    Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
    It has not been proven he went to Elan or he ever said this.
    There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!!  Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
    Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
    I want a direct connection proven, 100%.
    Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on February 11, 2012, 07:16:29 PM
    Quote from: "T-Rex"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    golly Ned ....Ursus ,Oscar ,

    clipboards ,headcounts , costumes , screaming ,blasts , Expeditors , Casa ,

    denouncing IBICUY videos ,

    the rumours are true , Fellow goes to Elan in poland springs Maine ,  Graduates and starts his own Elan  in South America ,smells like a duck ,looks like a duck , quacks like a duck , then why does the duck need a raincoat.

    Elan redoux  I hope not

    Its the same program , a deaf man could tell you that .

    Postings by koolaid "guzzlers " and then postings by the denouncers .

    The question is it a Mallard or a Muscovey.  hint there are both ducks.

    Sickening and unbeleivable ,yet a great find Ursus and Oscar , unbelievable ..........

    Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
    It has not been proven he went to Elan or he ever said this.
    There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!!  Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
    Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
    I want a direct connection proven, 100%.

    thank you for your opinion of my opinion.
    Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
    Post by: T-Rex on February 11, 2012, 07:26:28 PM
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Quote from: "T-Rex"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    golly Ned ....Ursus ,Oscar ,

    clipboards ,headcounts , costumes , screaming ,blasts , Expeditors , Casa ,

    denouncing IBICUY videos ,

    the rumours are true , Fellow goes to Elan in poland springs Maine ,  Graduates and starts his own Elan  in South America ,smells like a duck ,looks like a duck , quacks like a duck , then why does the duck need a raincoat.

    Elan redoux  I hope not

    Its the same program , a deaf man could tell you that .

    Postings by koolaid "guzzlers " and then postings by the denouncers .

    The question is it a Mallard or a Muscovey.  hint there are both ducks.

    Sickening and unbeleivable ,yet a great find Ursus and Oscar , unbelievable ..........

    Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
    It has not been proven he went to Elan or he ever said this.
    There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!!  Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
    Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
    I want a direct connection proven, 100%.

    thank you for your opinion of my opinion.

    Matt it is not a opinion. There is no direct link because IBcuy is saying as of yesterday they are not a direct clone of Elan. All I am trying to do is get others to dig into this also and prove there is a link. If Juan went to Elan then he is lying about it.
    Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
    Post by: Muppeteer on February 11, 2012, 07:39:08 PM
    I don't speak a lick of Spanish, or I just might make that call myself.

    However, after watching the videos (you're welcome for the links, lolz) and reading the Portuguese translation of the website, I really don't see how you can argue that it is not connected to Élan. The names of the departments are the same (something I have not seen in other programs with similar dichotomies), the logo, the anecdotal evidence from Juan himself supposedly...not to mention Matt's assessment is in agreement with mine.

    Tell you what, my translator friend at work is fluent in Brazillian Portuguese and very proficient in Spanish. If he's willing, we'll make the call next week sometime, or the week after, or maybe next month. I am not going to tip off when that call will come, or under what pretense it will be made.

    But as I have said, I do believe they would lie, as they lie about so many things in these programs.

    It is not in dispute that a gentleman named Juan Ferreira founded the place, we have that much confirmed by the Argentine press. The only question is which program in the United States did he attend. Is that right?
    Title: Juan Ferreyra - LinkedIn profile
    Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 07:41:48 PM
    Quote from: "T-Rex"
    Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
    There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!!  Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
    Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
    Personally, I usually just collect and post information and evidence. But sometimes I venture my opinion, large-mawed that it may be. Y'all can make or not make any assumptions y'all want. It's no fur offa my back, that's fer sure...

    Speaking of information, here's this curious LinkedIn profile... Looks kinda like the guy wearing that yellow Izod shirt, dontcha think? Know of any treatment programs in Maine back in the early 1980s, that were therapeutic communities and used costumes and clipboards and haircuts and coordinators and whatnot?

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    Juan Ferreyra (http://http://www.linkedin.com/pub/juan-ferreyra/25/338/5a1)

    (http://http://media.linkedin.com/mpr/pub/image-H9mYKVb1VfXIX7l-sSWIJAb5AGscgHh7H9mIITN1ss-lhuaDe9mIIWQM5s2c4EOoOZC/juan-ferreyra.jpg)

    director ejecutivo at programa ibicuy
    Argentina | Mental Health Care

    Resumen de Juan Ferreyra

    Actual • director ejecutivo en programa ibicuy
    Educación • juan xxlll
    Recomendaciones • 1 persona ha recomendado a Juan
    Contactos • 29 contactos
    Sitios web • Sitio web de la empresa (http://http://www.linkedin.com/redir/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eibicuy%2Ecom&urlhash=pIak)[/list]

    Extracto de Juan Ferreyra

    Especialidades changing peoples lives

    Experiencia de Juan Ferreyra

    director ejecutivo
    programa ibicuy

    May 1982 – Present (29 years 10 months)

    Educación de Juan Ferreyra
    juan xxlll
    bachelor

    Información adicional de Juan Ferreyra

    Sitios web: • Sitio web de la empresa (http://http://www.linkedin.com/redir/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eibicuy%2Ecom&urlhash=pIak)[/list]
    Grupos y asociaciones: • Addiction Recovery Professionals (http://http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Addiction-Recovery-Professionals-862107)[/list]


    LinkedIn Corporation © 2011
    Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
    Post by: Muppeteer on February 11, 2012, 07:44:31 PM
    I do not understand why they would divulge the information you seek as proof anyway, why would they admit that they used a 3rd generation abusive cult school as a model for their own program? That makes no sense.
    Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on February 11, 2012, 07:49:44 PM
    Quote from: "T-Rex"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Quote from: "T-Rex"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    golly Ned ....Ursus ,Oscar ,

    clipboards ,headcounts , costumes , screaming ,blasts , Expeditors , Casa ,

    denouncing IBICUY videos ,

    the rumours are true , Fellow goes to Elan in poland springs Maine ,  Graduates and starts his own Elan  in South America ,smells like a duck ,looks like a duck , quacks like a duck , then why does the duck need a raincoat.

    Elan redoux  I hope not

    Its the same program , a deaf man could tell you that .

    Postings by koolaid "guzzlers " and then postings by the denouncers .

    The question is it a Mallard or a Muscovey.  hint there are both ducks.

    Sickening and unbeleivable ,yet a great find Ursus and Oscar , unbelievable ..........

    Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
    It has not been proven he went to Elan or he ever said this.
    There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!!  Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
    Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
    I want a direct connection proven, 100%.

    thank you for your opinion of my opinion.

    Matt it is not a opinion. There is no direct link because IBcuy is saying as of yesterday they are not a direct clone of Elan. All I am trying to do is get others to dig into this also and prove there is a link. If Juan went to Elan then he is lying about it.

    Alrighty then , I thank you  again for you opinion of my opinion ,and your opinion of your own opinion thats your opinion.  "If Juan went to elan then he is lying about  it "? ..... that he went to elan ? or that he didn't go to elan ? I am so confused  I thought this was about IBICUY, I don't know what IBcuy is.

    Then again did elan ever tell the truth about what was really going on in there? My opinion is no.

    Again I thank you for your opinion of my opinion ,and well your own opinion of your opinion is , well your opinion isn't it ? rhetorcial and........

    Thank you though.
    Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
    Post by: T-Rex on February 11, 2012, 08:23:30 PM
    Quote from: "Muppeteer"
    I do not understand why they would divulge the information you seek as proof anyway, why would they admit that they used a 3rd generation abusive cult school as a model for their own program? That makes no sense.


    Your buddy Wayne (oh that's right you are Wayne) told us that Juan F. went to the Elan school. He posted this information on the Elan Saved My Life facebook site. Everyone should go there and read what Wayne (impersonating Juan) wrote.

    So we just had to call IBcuy to verify what Wayne said. It seems kind of weird that they would deny this. Why??  Wayne posted on this facebook site (under Juan's name) that Juan was proud of his program. So why then when we call him he won't even answer the phone and we are told he never went to Elan.  

    I am at a loss here.

    But this is not the point. The point is to determine if the owner of IBcuy is a ex-resident of Elan as it has been stated. Everyone here is saying Ibcuy is a exact replica of Elan. Well how did that happen? Buy some kind of telepathy, I don't think so. So instead of hanging around on these sites and saying, Oh yeah it looks like Elan and smells of duck ect.....go find out.
    Or.....are you going to implicate yourself in the process of outing Juan F/Wayne K.   IDK!
    Title: "WHAT IS IBICUY?" (Feb. 1997)
    Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 08:35:40 PM
    Here are some pages from Ibicuy's website that were archived back in February of 1997. Google translation thereof follows immediately after the Spanish original.

    Some off-the-cuff comments:


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    QUE ES IBICUY? (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213202742/http://ibicuy.com/pagina.htm)

    Ibicuy es una institución creada para proponer una alternativa de solución eficaz a problemas de comportamiento serios en jóvenes y adolescentes, generalmente asociados al consumo de drogas.

    Fundado en 1986, el establecimiento ocupa desde entonces un lugar de privilegio en el dramático vacío originado por la falta de entidades intermedias que no sean ni hospitales o clínicas para enfermos mentales ni organismos correccionales.

    A lo largo de los 10 años transcurridos a partir de su creación, el programa Ibicuy ha logrado un alto índice de recuperación entre los residentes que se han graduado en él, a través de la puesta en práctica de un sólido modelo de funcionamiento, desarrollado inicialmente en los Estados Unidos y basado en un grupo de premisas esenciales, que no sólo han sido convenientemente adaptadas a nuestro medio sino que además han ido perfeccionándose y enriqueciéndose con aportes y experiencias permanentes.

    La filosofía y los fundamentos del programa Ibicuy se describen con amplitud en las páginas siguientes. Por favor, léalas con atención ya que la información que contienen puede permitirle ayudar a recuperar una víctima de uno de los peores males de nuestra época.


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    WHAT IS IBICUY?

    Ibicuy is an institution created to propose an effective alternative solution to serious behavioral problems in youths and adolescents, usually associated with drug use.

    Founded in 1986, since the property occupies a privileged place in the dramatic gap created by the lack of intermediate entities that are neither hospitals or clinics for the mentally ill or correctional agencies.

    Over the 10 years since its inception, the program has achieved a high Ibicuy recovery rate among residents who have graduated from it, through the implementation of a robust operating model, developed initially in the United States and based on a set of basic premises that have not only been suitably adapted to our environment but have also been refined and enriched by contributions and experiences permanent.

    The philosophy and program foundations Ibicuy are described fully in the following pages. Please read them carefully as they contain information that can enable you to help recover a victim of one of the worst evils of our time.
    Title: "THE PLACE" (Feb. 1997)
    Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 09:12:01 PM
    Another page...

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    EL LUGAR (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213202753/http://ibicuy.com/lugar.htm)

    Villa Paranacito, apacible población entrerriana ubicada a 180 km de la Capital Federal y a 100 km de Campana, es la localidad más próxima al complejo edilicio donde se desarrolla el programa Ibicuy, situado en una pintoresca isla del río Paraná.

    Allí, convenientemente alejado de distintas circunstancias de riesgo frecuentes en las grandes ciudades, el programa cuenta con un medio ambiente de natural belleza, especialmente apto para albergar con comodidad y contener de manera adecuada a sus residentes, en un marco afín a la vida saludable, que favorece y estimula la recuperación.

    Luego de un breve trayecto en lancha —alrededor de diez minutos desde Paranacito— se accede al predio propio de Ibicuy, en el que se encuentran las construcciones correspondientes a:

    - residencia para los jóvenes (dormitorios, comedor y salón principal de reuniones, biblioteca, duchas y toilettes, cocina, oficinas de los departamentos internos, etc. Todos los ambientes cuentan con sistema de climatización frío-calor);

    - el colegio (edificio de dos plantas con aulas para enseñanza primaria y secundaria, sala de computación, gabinete psicopedagógico, dirección);

    - la residencia del director ejecutivo, que vive en ella con su esposa y sus dos hijas;

    - la sala de gimnasia y aparatos, la enfermería y un departamento para alojar visitas;

    - las oficinas de seguridad y administración, comunicadas con equipos de telefonía, fax y red informática ;

    - el canal de video cable (anexo a las instalaciones del colegio) y el lavadero;

    - el quincho y la pileta de natación.

    Las construcciones, cuya superficie cubierta alcanza los 1200 m2, están rodeadas por un amplio y sencillo parque con césped y árboles, en el que también se desarrollan deportes, ejercicios físicos y actividades de esparcimiento.

    El programa dispone además de oficinas en la Capital Federal, ubicadas en la calle Uriburu 1076, 2º piso, departamento 17.


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    THE PLACE

    Villa Paranacito, peaceful entrerriana population located 180 km from Buenos Aires and 100 km from Bell is the town closest to the building complex where the program is developed Ibicuy, situated on a picturesque island in the river Paraná.

    There, different circumstances conveniently away from common risk in large cities, the program has a natural environment of beauty, especially suitable to hold comfortably and adequately contain its residents, within a framework related to healthy living, which encourages and promotes recovery.

    After a short boat-ride around ten minutes from Paranacito—is accessed Ibicuy own property, in which the buildings are for:

    - residence for young people (bedroom, dining room and main meeting room, library, showers and toilets, kitchen, offices, internal departments, etc.. All rooms have air conditioning system hot and cold);

    - the school (two storey building with classrooms for primary and secondary education, computer room, cabinet psycho, address);

    - the residence of the chief executive, who lives there with his wife and two daughters;

    - the fitness room and equipment, nursing and an apartment to house visits;

    - the management and security offices, connected telephony equipment, fax and computer network;

    - the video channel cable (attached to the school facilities) and laundry;

    - the barbecue and swimming pool.

    The building, whose floor area reaches up to 1200 m2, surrounded by a broad and simple park with grass and trees, which also develop sports, exercise and leisure activities.

    The program also has offices in Buenos Aires, located on the street Uriburu 1076, 2 nd floor, apartment 17.
    Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
    Post by: Muppeteer on February 11, 2012, 09:36:54 PM
    You may continue to believe I am Wayne all you wish. But it simply isn't the case.

    Ursus, thank you for the Wayback's...I saw the very first cache entry had a link to an English version, gone by the second cache.

    http://ar.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 522AA9YtXf (http://ar.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101228235522AA9YtXf)

    Check that out if you want. Another one, cheese and rice, translator not going to like me.
    Title: archived pages for Ibicuy.com
    Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 09:47:01 PM
    Quote from: "Muppeteer"
    Ursus, thank you for the Wayback's...I saw the very first cache entry had a link to an English version, gone by the second cache.
    Yep, I saw that too. But those pages were apparently not archived, as I discovered when I clicked on the link...
    Title: Re: Juan Ferreyra - LinkedIn profile
    Post by: T-Rex on February 11, 2012, 09:58:03 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "T-Rex"
    Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
    There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!!  Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
    Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
    Personally, I usually just collect and post information and evidence. But sometimes I venture my opinion, large-mawed that it may be. Y'all can make or not make any assumptions y'all want. It's no fur offa my back, that's fer sure...

    Speaking of information, here's this curious LinkedIn profile... Looks kinda like the guy wearing that yellow Izod shirt, dontcha think? Know of any treatment programs in Maine back in the early 1980s, that were therapeutic communities and used costumes and clipboards and haircuts and coordinators and whatnot?

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    Juan Ferreyra (http://http://www.linkedin.com/pub/juan-ferreyra/25/338/5a1)

    (http://http://media.linkedin.com/mpr/pub/image-H9mYKVb1VfXIX7l-sSWIJAb5AGscgHh7H9mIITN1ss-lhuaDe9mIIWQM5s2c4EOoOZC/juan-ferreyra.jpg)

    director ejecutivo at programa ibicuy
    Argentina | Mental Health Care

    Resumen de Juan Ferreyra

      Actual • director ejecutivo en programa ibicuy
      Educación • juan xxlll
      Recomendaciones • 1 persona ha recomendado a Juan
      Contactos • 29 contactos
      Sitios web • Sitio web de la empresa (http://http://www.linkedin.com/redir/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eibicuy%2Ecom&urlhash=pIak)[/list]

      Extracto de Juan Ferreyra

        I am a recovering addict. I underwent rehabilitation and recovery in the US at a treatment program in Maine, Upon completing my recovery in 1982 I returned to my native country of Argentina. My experience served as a model upon which I built a therapeutic community in Entre-Rios about 2 hours out of Buenos Aires, Programa Ibicuy has now been in existance for more than 27 years helping people overcome addiction and recurerate their lives.
      Especialidades changing peoples lives

      Experiencia de Juan Ferreyra

      director ejecutivo
      programa ibicuy

      May 1982 – Present (29 years 10 months)

      Educación de Juan Ferreyra
      juan xxlll
      bachelor

      Información adicional de Juan Ferreyra

        Sitios web: • Sitio web de la empresa (http://http://www.linkedin.com/redir/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eibicuy%2Ecom&urlhash=pIak)[/list]
          Grupos y asociaciones: • Addiction Recovery Professionals (http://http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Addiction-Recovery-Professionals-862107)[/list]


          LinkedIn Corporation © 2011


          Mucho gusto....Ursus, I have to admit that eerily I think many Elanians already knew this. We still have to determine why IBcuy will not admit Elan was the T/C Juan went to. Hmmmmmmm.......This calls for the man who understands the opinions of others who have opined on others opinions. Matt Hoffman will you please step forward and shows us all your ability to opine on others opinions, please.
          We still also need to find out if Juan actually posted on the, "Elan Saved My Life".
          I understand Ursus you have kindly stated you are not inclined to get into the facebook gutter, I respect this. I'm just saying.
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: T-Rex on February 11, 2012, 10:11:24 PM
          Quote from: "Muppeteer"
          You may continue to believe I am Wayne all you wish. But it simply isn't the case.

          Ursus, thank you for the Wayback's...I saw the very first cache entry had a link to an English version, gone by the second cache.

          http://ar.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 522AA9YtXf (http://ar.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101228235522AA9YtXf)

          Check that out if you want. Another one, cheese and rice, translator not going to like me.

          I will and thank you for allowing me. It is simply the case. Actually it is simply sad that you would allow yourself to be caught up in the bullshit of this. What we are witnessing now is your part at deflecting the eyes away from the parody that went on over at Elan Saved My Life.
          You could give a rats ass about what Ursus is posting. Ursus does this for every program that is posted here. Never saw you this interested before Muppster. Please spare us your lame attendance to this particular program and corresponding thread.
          Impress us and found out why Juan is dodging any inquiry.
          Title: Re: Juan Ferreyra - LinkedIn profile
          Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 10:11:28 PM
          Quote from: "T-Rex"
          We still also need to find out if Juan actually posted on the, "Elan Saved My Life".
          I understand Ursus you have kindly stated you are not inclined to get into the facebook gutter, I respect this. I'm just saying.
          Actually, I have no problem mucking about on Facebook. Didn't mean to imply that, in case I somehow did. It's just that I'm swamped with other stuff right now...
          Title: "THE THERAPEUTIC SYSTEM" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 10:39:54 PM
          Continuing with archived pages from Ibicuy's website from February 1997:

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          EL SISTEMA TERAPEUTICO (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213202804/http://ibicuy.com/sistema.htm)

          Una vez más, el programa Ibicuy presenta, también en este campo, aspectos que lo diferencian con claridad de otros sistemas:

          Aprobación

          No siempre es necesario contar con la aprobación voluntaria del paciente para iniciar el proceso de recuperación. Tratándose de menores de edad, alcanza con la autorización de los padres. Ibicuy posee las características apropiadas —físicas y de organización— para retener sin violencias ni barrotes a los residentes, y la experiencia demuestra que aquéllos que ingresan contra su voluntad tienen casi las mismas posibilidades de recuperación que quienes acuden por propia determinación;

          Autoayuda

          Con la coordinación y la supervisión necesarias, las técnicas modernas de autoayuda juegan un rol preponderante en la recuperación de los pacientes. Ibicuy insiste en que cada individuo es responsable de su propio comportamiento y organiza a los residentes en grupos que aceptan la ayuda de sus compañeros y devuelven a la vez responsablemente esa ayuda a sus iguales, tanto en las reuniones terapéuticas específicas como a lo largo de innumerables situaciones que surgen en la convivencia diaria.

          El personal que coordina y supervisa los grupos no sólo está capacitado en la implementación de la modalidad de la autoayuda, aplicada a recuperación de drogadictos, sino que además incluye miembros que pasaron exitosamente por la experiencia personal de su propia rehabilitación. Esto les otorga una especial idoneidad, ya que cuentan con un conocimiento invalorable para actuar sin ser manipulados ni engañados por los adolescentes en proceso de recobrarse.

          Grupos de trabajo

          Las dos tareas básicas para un residente son llevarse bien con sus compañeros y aprender a manejar sus fuerzas y presiones internas. En ambos objetivos juegan un rol preponderante las continuas sesiones de trabajo en grupos, en las que los integrantes exponen sus sentimientos, sus temores, sus experiencias y sus fantasías para que puedan ser observados, comprendidos y fortalecidos cuando son positivos o desalentados si son contraproducentes. Por lo general en estas sesiones es donde se descubre la raiz del problema que originó la adicción.

          Interacción social

          La estructura comunitaria de Ibicuy representa una sociedad en la cual cada residente va aprendiendo de manera práctica su correcta ubicación. Existe una jerarquía de cargos funcionales. El residente nuevo comienza siendo un trabajador común y gradualmente asume cargos de mayor responsabilidad. Luego supervisa a otros trabajadores y puede convertirse en jefe de departamento, aprendiz de coordinador y por último coordinador. Cada responsabilidad adicional le proporciona nuevos derechos y mayores privilegios.

          Avances y retrocesos

          Los éxitos, los sucesivos logros, son recompensados con promociones a niveles superiores. Por el contrario, la incapacidad para efectuar tareas con iniciativa propia y responsabilidad da lugar a pérdidas de jerarquía.

          Estas degradaciones o retrocesos son inevitables, porque numerosas tareas son asignadas deliberadamente en áreas en las que el residente no tiene suficiente experiencia. El sentido de las degradaciones es enseñar a los jóvenes a funcionar en situaciones adversas y a hacer frente a los fracasos, la insatisfacción y el desencanto, pues son parte de la vida misma: no los afectan sólo a ellos sino a todos y todos deben saber sobreponerse. Superada la frustración, el residente comprende que puede volver a empezar cada vez y que puede triunfar sin necesidad de evasiones o estímulos nocivos.

          Un Departamento de Evaluación y Control reúne la información diaria y eleva su informe al Director Ejecutivo. Tanto el funcionamiento del conjunto como las actitudes personales y el desempeño individual son seguidos estrechamente para implementar sin demoras ya sea las acciones correctoras como los estímulos.

          Desde el ingreso, cada residente es evaluado por un psicólogo que establece su diagnóstico inicial y a partir de entonces va efectuando sucesivos tests de progreso, hasta determinar el alta. El personal y los directivos de Ibicuy mantienen una relación informativa contínua.

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          THE THERAPEUTIC SYSTEM

          Again, the program Ibicuy show, also in this field, aspects which distinguish it clearly from other systems:

          Approval

          It is not always necessary to have the patient's voluntary approval to start the recovery process. In the case of minors, achieved with parental consent. Ibicuy has the appropriate characteristics, physical and organizational, to retain without violence or bars to residents, and experience shows that those admitted against their will have almost the same chance of recovery than those who come on their own determination;

          Self Help

          With the coordination and supervision necessary modern self-help techniques play an important role in the recovery of patients. Ibicuy insists that each individual is responsible for their own behavior and residents organized groups that accept the help of his companions and returned to responsibly while such assistance to their peers, both in specific therapeutic meetings and throughout countless situations that arise in daily life.

          The staff that coordinates and oversees the groups are not only trained in the implementation of self-help mode, applied to treating drug addiction, but also includes members who successfully passed by the personal experience of his own rehabilitation. This gives them a special relevance, since they have valuable knowledge to act without being manipulated or deceived by adolescents in the process of recovering.

          Working groups

          The two basic tasks for a resident are getting along with peers and learn to manage their forces and internal pressures. In both objectives play an important role continuing group work sessions in which members discussed their feelings, their fears, their experiences and their fantasies so they can be observed, understood and strengthened when they are positive or discouraged if they are counterproductive. Usually in these sessions is where you discover the root of the problem resulting in addiction.

          Social interaction

          Ibicuy community structure represents a society in which each resident learns practically the correct location. There is a hierarchy of functional positions. The new resident begins as a common laborer and gradually assume positions of greater responsibility. Then supervises other workers and can become head of department, apprentice coordinator and finally coordinator. Each additional responsibility provides new rights and greater privileges.

          Progress and setbacks

          The successes, successive achievements are rewarded with promotions to higher levels. By contrast, the inability to perform tasks on their own initiative and responsibility leads to loss of hierarchy.

          These degradations and setbacks are inevitable, because many tasks are deliberately assigned areas in which the resident does not have enough experience. The sense of degradation is to teach young people to work in adverse situations and cope with failure, dissatisfaction and disappointment, they are part of life itself: not only affect them but all and all should know overcome. Overcome the frustration, the resident understands that you can start again each time and you can succeed without evasions or noxious stimuli.

          A Department of Assessment and Control gathers daily information and raises its report to the Executive Director. Both the operation of the assembly as personal attitudes and individual performance are followed closely to implement without delay whether corrective actions as stimuli.

          From the entrance, each resident is evaluated by a psychologist who established their initial diagnosis and thereafter successive tests is making progress, to determine discharge. Staff and managers have a relationship Ibicuy continuous information.
          Title: Re: Juan Ferreyra - LinkedIn profile
          Post by: T-Rex on February 11, 2012, 10:54:08 PM
          Quote from: "Ursus"
          Quote from: "T-Rex"
          We still also need to find out if Juan actually posted on the, "Elan Saved My Life".
          I understand Ursus you have kindly stated you are not inclined to get into the facebook gutter, I respect this. I'm just saying.
          Actually, I have no problem mucking about on Facebook. Didn't mean to imply that, in case I somehow did. It's just that I'm swamped with other stuff right now...

          I've caused enough ruckus about this that I think I should at least apply more of myself. I am asking some others I know to help me come up with a plan to get Juan on record.
          But once again we have to deal with some unscrupulous behind the scenes shenanigans. Seems some one has alerted Juan to the going's on around this site for some reason.
          This whole deal smells.
          I just want to tie this guy to Elan. I think will all know but I want him on record saying it.
          Title: "AGENTS OF TRANSFORMATION" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 11:01:54 PM
          This page and the one following are accessible, directly or indirectly, from the above "THE THERAPEUTIC SYSTEM (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=39041&p=413169#p413167)" page:

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          LOS AGENTES DE TRANSFORMACION (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213203006/http://ibicuy.com/agentes.htm)

          Si bien, como se ha dicho anteriormente, la labor del personal médico, paramédico y de apoyo psicológico es de gran importancia, el proceso terapéutico de Ibicuy se sustenta de manera fundamental en la ayuda recíproca y la solidaridad entre los propios residentes. En la colaboración mutua de todos ellos, debidamente coordinada y orientada. En los sucesivos resultados individuales, pero en base al trabajo de conjunto entre iguales. Cada chico es el principal gestor y responsable de su propio cambio, aunque quizás en un principio él mismo no se dé cuenta. Además, y esto también es decisivo, cada uno de ellos cumple la función de apoyo para el compañero que tiene a su lado.

          Solos y en grupo, los jóvenes de Ibicuy son los principales agentes de sus transformaciones.

          Cada residente participa gradual y activamente en la dinámica de rehabilitación de sus compañeros manteniendo una relación interactiva constante, con la cual llega a comprometerse de manera profunda. La presión de los "pares" enseña e impone nuevas formas de comportamiento.

          "Quiero lo mejor para mí y también para vos, que sos como yo". "Me cuido, me ayudo a progresar cada vez más y también te cuido y te ayudo a que salgas adelante".

          Se trata de un sutil mecanismo en el que los residentes más antiguos, y por lo tanto más cercanos a su recuperación o ya recuperados, cumplen un papel de orientación, trasladando su experiencia a los nuevos, y ejercitando las relaciones solidarias de una verdadera comunidad que persigue el bien común.

          El respeto que los más nuevos llegan a sentir por los residentes más avanzados se arraiga en el valor del ejemplo coherente: también ellos han pasado por lo peor y, pese a la enorme dificultad y a las dudas en los momentos de crisis, han logrado dejarlo atrás y sentirse mucho mejor consigo mismos.

          Poco a poco, en este tipo de organización, todos acrecientan su sentido de la responsabilidad.


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          AGENTS OF TRANSFORMATION

          Although, as noted above, the work of medical, paramedical and psychological support is of great importance, the therapeutic process Ibicuy fundamentally relies on mutual aid and solidarity among the residents themselves. In the mutual cooperation of all of them, well coordinated and focused. In subsequent individual results, but based on joint work of the same.

          Every kid is the lead manager and responsible for their own change, though perhaps at first he did not know it. Furthermore, it is also critical, each serves as a support for the fellow next to him.

          Solos and group Ibicuy youth are the main agents of their transformations.

          Each resident participates actively in the gradual and dynamic rehabilitation of their peers while maintaining an interactive relationship constant, which comes to engage in profound ways. The pressure of the "pairs" teaches and imposes new forms of behavior.

          "I want the best for me and for you, you're just like me." "I care, helped me to progress more and also take care of you and help you to come out ahead."

          This is a subtle mechanism in which older residents, and therefore closer to recovery or already recovered, play a guiding role, transferring their experience to new, supportive relationships and exercising a true community pursues the common good.

          The respect that the newest come to feel more advanced by residents is rooted in the value of such consistent: they too have gone through the worst and, despite the enormous difficulties and doubts in times of crisis, have managed to leave behind and feel much better about themselves.

          Gradually, in this type of organization, all increase their sense of responsibility.
          Title: "THE DURATION OF TREATMENT" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2012, 11:18:30 PM
          This page is accessible from the above "AGENTS OF TRANSFORMATION (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=39041&p=413169#p413169)" page:

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          LA DURACION DEL TRATAMIENTO (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213203130/http://ibicuy.com/duracion.htm)

          La mayoría de los tratamientos desarrollados en otras instituciones, cuya duración es considerablemente inferior a la de Ibicuy, culminan con la reincidencia. Gran cantidad de esos pacientes tratados vuelve a consumir droga.

          Ibicuy considera que la probabilidad de conseguir resultados favorables en lapsos inferiores a los 14 meses de tratamiento es muy escasa. De hecho, el promedio actual se encuentra alrededor de los 16 meses y muy rara vez las estadías se extienden hasta un máximo de 20 meses.

          La eliminación de los procesos adictivos necesita de una prolongada tarea que va mucho más allá de la simple desintoxicación. Requiere un duro y extenso trabajo, de abstinencia física e higiene mental, y de toda una disciplina estructurada para rescatar valores perdidos de carácter escencial y apuntalarlos con la fuerza necesaria para que no vuelvan a desmoronarse ante los nuevos embates de la vida.

          Por eso, una de las tareas primordiales en Ibicuy es preparar largamente al joven para enfrentar numerosos momentos adversos y brindarle todas las herramientas para superar cada prueba.

          Además, Ibicuy separa al joven de todo tipo de conexión con cualquier elemento cercano al mundo de la droga. El corte que se produce en este sentido, es total. No puede ser de otra manera si se quiere obtener un resultado satisfactorio.

          El tiempo empleado en tratamientos más cortos pero sin resultados estables produce un retroceso riesgoso. Ese tiempo hay que ganarlo, aunque se tarde más.


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          THE DURATION OF TREATMENT

          Most of the treatments developed in other institutions, whose duration is considerably lower than Ibicuy, culminating in recidivism. Large numbers of these patients use drugs again.

          Ibicuy considers the likelihood of achieving favorable results in periods less than 14 months treatment is scarce. In fact, the current average is around 16 months and rarely stays extend up to 20 months.

          The elimination of addictive disorders requires a lengthy task that goes far beyond the simple detoxification. Requires extensive work hard, physical withdrawal and mental hygiene, and a whole structured discipline to rescue missing values for essential character and prop them with the strength to never again to collapse before the onslaught of new life.

          So one of the primary tasks is to prepare long in Ibicuy the young side to face numerous times and provide all the tools to overcome every trial.

          In addition, separating the young Ibicuy all connection with anything close to the world of drugs. The cut occurs in this sense, it is total. It can not be otherwise if you get a satisfactory result.

          Time spent in shorter treatments but stable results a reverse risky. That time has to be earned, even if it takes more.
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Reddit TroubledTeens on February 12, 2012, 08:55:38 AM
          Fantastic research. Thank you for all you've done.  :notworthy:

          I've posted this to reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/c ... scape_and/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/plla3/2_dozen_programa_ibicuy_residents_escape_and/)
          Title: "LIFE IN IBICUY - The home of all" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 12, 2012, 11:57:21 AM
          You're welcome, Reddit TroubledTeens! As Muppeteer noted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=39041&start=15#p413098) earlier, "Great things can happen when we work as a team, kids, ;) "

          To finish up, there are a number of entries accessible from the page LA VIDA EN IBICUY (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213202941/http://ibicuy.com/lavida.htm) / LIFE IN IBICUY. Here they are, expanded out:

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          La casa de todos (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213203013/http://ibicuy.com/lacasa.htm)

          Uno de los ejes ordenadores del proceso personal de cada chico o chica en Ibicuy es ocuparse responsablemente del funcionamiento, cuidado y administración de la residencia que todos comparten. La actividad ha sido organizada en distintos departamentos: cocina, mantenimiento, seguridad, oficina comercial y comunicaciones. Los residentes ocupan distintas jerarquías dentro de ellos y desempeñar su labor genera una parte destacada de la tarea diaria, ya que reviste un alto valor en lo referente a actitud frente a los demás, cumplimiento de las obligaciones contraídas, dedicación al entorno en el que cada uno se desenvuelve, etc.

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          The home of all

          One of the axes of personal process computers of each boy or girl is to deal responsibly Ibicuy the operation, care and management of the residence that all share. The event is organized in different departments: kitchen, maintenance, security, commercial and office communications. Residents occupy different hierarchies within them and do their work generates a significant part of the daily task, as it is of high value in terms of attitude towards others, compliance obligations, dedication to the environment in which each one is developed, and so on.
          Title: "LIFE IN IBICUY - EDUCATION" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 12, 2012, 12:10:03 PM
          EDUCACION (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213203046/http://ibicuy.com/educacion.htm)

          Ibicuy es el único establecimiento dedicado a rehabilitación de jóvenes con adicciones autodestructivas que dispone de un departamento educativo.

          Este aspecto es de notable relevancia si se considera el rechazo generalizado que experimentan los colegios ante la posibilidad de tener entre sus alumnos a chicos con problemas de adicciones.

          La escuela de Ibicuy comprende tanto el nivel primario como el secundario y está incorporada al regimen de enseñanza oficial. Su capacidad permite albergar a 40 jóvenes simultáneamente, con una interesante relación de 5 alumnos por profesor.

          La orientación del programa de estudios y prácticas es hacia la informática y la computación, con el fin de que los estudiantes reciban una educación completa y adecuada a los tiempos que se viven.

          De este modo, la ausencia temporal de sus lugares habituales no se traduce en una demora en su educación. Al contrario, los maestros y profesores de las diversas materias, que llegan especialmente a Ibicuy para tomar a su cargo la enseñanza con una clara conciencia de la gravitación que ella supone para los chicos en esas circunstancias, sumado a una atmósfera general en la que el estudio es abiertamente estimulado, crean condiciones favorables para avanzar en profundidad en la incorporación de conocimientos de modo más espontáneo y con interés genuino.

          Es lógico, por todo ello, que la educación ocupe un tiempo extenso en la labor del día y en gran parte del año.

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          EDUCATION

          Ibicuy is the only facility dedicated to rehabilitation of young people with self-destructive addiction has an education department.

          This aspect is particularly noteworthy considering the widespread rejection experienced by schools about the possibility of having among its students men with addiction problems.

          Ibicuy school includes both primary and secondary level and is incorporated into the formal education regime. Its capacity enables simultaneously accommodate 40 young people, with an interesting ratio of 5 students per teacher.

          The orientation of the curriculum and practices is to computer science and computing, so that students receive a comprehensive education and adequate to the times we live.

          Thus, the temporary absence of their usual does not result in a delay in their education. By contrast, teachers of different subjects, especially coming Ibicuy to take over teaching with an awareness of gravitation that she poses to children in these circumstances, coupled with a general atmosphere in which the study is openly encouraged, create favorable conditions to advance further in the incorporation of knowledge in a more spontaneous and genuine interest.

          It is natural, all that education occupies an extended time in the day's work and much of the year.
          Title: "LIFE IN IBICUY - RECREATION" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 12, 2012, 01:31:52 PM
          LA RECREACION (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213203055/http://ibicuy.com/recreacion.htm)

          En el Departamento Recreativo de Ibicuy se organiza y supervisa la realización de numerosas actividades para los residentes.

          El deporte, principalmente a través del fútbol y el voley, concentra una importante cantidad de competencias en las que chicos y chicas participan con entusiasmo.

          También se programan salidas que incluyen paseos en bicicleta, en canoa, caminatas, cabalgatas, pesca en el río y otras excursiones por la zona. La ubicación de Ibicuy en el Delta enriquece las variantes de recreación de los residentes con toda una serie de actividades acuáticas durante los meses de verano.

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          RECREATION

          The Recreation Department organizes and supervises Ibicuy conducting numerous activities for residents.

          The sport, mainly through football and volleyball, concentrates a significant amount of competitions in which boys and girls participate enthusiastically.

          Outputs are also scheduled to include biking, canoeing, hiking, horseback riding, river fishing and other excursions in the area. The location of the Delta Ibicuy enriched variants of recreation for residents with a range of water activities during the summer months.
          Title: "LIFE IN IBICUY - FREE TIME" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 12, 2012, 02:00:11 PM
          TIEMPO LIBRE (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213203102/http://ibicuy.com/tiempo.htm)

          La actividad habitual y la modalidad de funcionamiento difícilmente dejan tiempo para el aburrimiento. Desde la mañana a la noche, chicos y chicas están ocupados, por lo común en grupos. Para dar lugar a un cambio de ritmo necesario, que favorezca la comunión individual de cada uno consigo mismo, la reflexión y el pensamiento, la tarde del sábado y todo el domingo se han estipulado como tiempo libre. Además de disponer de distintas películas para ver todas las semanas, en estos días se realizan también idas a bailar, a recitales, conciertos o al teatro.

          # #

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          FREE TIME

          Regular activity and mode of operation hardly leave time for boredom. From morning to night, boys and girls are busy, usually in groups. To accommodate a change of pace necessary to favor individual communion with oneself, reflection and thought, on Saturday afternoon and all day Sunday were provided as free time. In addition to having different movies to watch every week, these days are also made trips to dance, recitals, concerts or the theater.
          Title: "LIFE IN IBICUY - CABLE PARANACITO" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 12, 2012, 02:11:12 PM
          PARANACITO CABLE (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213203109/http://ibicuy.com/cable.htm)

          Una de las novedades más recientes de Ibicuy es la incorporación de su propio canal de televisión por cable, que tiene su planta de transmisión junto a las instalaciones de la escuela y numerosas antenas parabólicas con las que capta programación satelital originada en diversos países que, a su vez, es retransmitida a toda una vasta zona de influencia.

          Fuente de opción laboral para algunos de los chicos que van egresando del Programa, Paranacito Cable constituye un nuevo camino alternativo para satisfacer las inquietudes de los jóvenes de Ibicuy.

          # #

          --------------

          CABLE PARANACITO

          One of the most recent Ibicuy is the incorporation of its own cable television channel, which has its transmission plant next to the school facilities and numerous satellite dish captures satellite programming that originated in different countries, to turn, is broadcast throughout a vast area of influence.

          Source of employment option for some of the guys who are graduating the program, Paranacito Cable is a new alternative way to satisfy the concerns of young people Ibicuy.
          Title: "LIFE IN IBICUY - SECURITY" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 12, 2012, 02:33:33 PM
          SEGURIDAD (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213203115/http://ibicuy.com/seguridad.htm)

          El campo de Ibicuy está protegido por un sistema de seguridad que conjuga eficiencia y discreción. Los chicos no pueden salir sin el correspondiente permiso y lo perciben claramente, pero sin sentirse ahogados en un régimen más severo de lo necesario. La protección de que gozan en el lugar, por su parte, es amplia y suficiente.

          # #

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          SECURITY

          Ibicuy field is protected by a security system that combines efficiency and discretion. The boys can not leave without permission and clearly perceived, but without being drowned in a stricter regime than necessary. The protection afforded in place, meanwhile, is ample and sufficient.
          Title: "LIFE IN IBICUY - HEALTH" (Feb. 1997)
          Post by: Ursus on February 12, 2012, 04:35:18 PM
          Last page...

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          SALUD (http://http://web.archive.org/web/19970213203122/http://ibicuy.com/medico.htm)

          El Centro de Tecnología en Salud Pública de Rosario y su equipo de profesionales, miembros de la Cátedra de Clínica Médica de la Facultad de Ciencias Médicas de la Universidad Nacional de Rosario, está a cargo del cuidado de la salud de los residentes en Ibicuy.

          A través de exámenes y análisis mensuales, estos profesionales mantienen un estricto control médico en las áreas de clínica médica y hematología.

          El servicio médico de emergencias está a cargo del Hospital Municipal de Villa Paranacito, al cual se puede llegar en un lapso de sólo 3 minutos, en caso de necesidad.

          Si fuera preciso internar a un residente por cuestiones de salud, Ibicuy cuenta con movilidad propia suficiente y dispone que se le brinde compañía, apoyo y atención día y noche, designando para ello a otros residentes avanzados y capacitados para hacerlo.

          # #

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          HEALTH

          The Center for Technology in Public Health of Rosario and his team of professionals, members of the Department of Clinical Medicine, Faculty of Medical Sciences, National University of Rosario, is in charge of health care for residents in Ibicuy.

          Through monthly review and analysis, these professionals maintain strict medical supervision in the areas of internal medicine and hematology.

          The emergency medical service is provided by the Municipal Hospital Villa Paranacito, which can be reached within 3 minutes, if necessary.

          If necessary a resident intern for health, Ibicuy has sufficient inherent mobility and requires you provide companionship, support and attention day and night, appointing to other residents so advanced and able to do so.
          Title: Internos de un centro de rehabilitación huyeron y se...
          Post by: Ursus on February 12, 2012, 07:36:46 PM
          Another article 'bout the 50% exodus...

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          Diario El Argentino
          Internos de un centro de rehabilitación huyeron y se refugiaron en la Jefatura (http://http://www.diarioelargentino.com.ar/noticias/86674/internos-de-un-centro-de-rehabilitacion-huyeron-y-se-refugiaron-en-la-jefatura)

          25/01/11 | Fueron 24 residentes que denunciaron irregularidades en el régimen de permanencia. La mayoría quedó a cargo de familiares. Las autoridades de la clínica interpusieron una contradenuncia por amenazas. El juez García Jurado tiene en sus manos el caso.

          Una confusa situación con denuncias cruzadas, sucedió en Villa Paranacito, departamento Islas, en la noche del domingo.

          Fue cuando 24 pacientes, internados voluntariamente, en la Comunidad Terapéutica para el Tratamiento de Adicciones, "Programa Ibicuy", escaparon de la institución y se refugiaron en la Jefatura Departamental.

          Aunque los primeros informes daban cuenta de una fuga, lo que realmente ocurrió fue es que los residentes del costoso centro de rehabilitación acudieron a la Jefatura para denunciar a las autoridades de la institución por el tratamiento que estaban recibiendo, que calificaron como muy duro. También los internos exigían que se les concediera el derecho de movilidad.

          Con una contradenuncia presentada por los responsables de la Comunidad, el caso llegó a manos del juez de Instrucción N° 1 en turno de Feria, doctor Eduardo García Jurado, quien dispuso que el defensor oficial, doctor Pablo Ledesma, y el auxiliar de Justicia verificaran si se estaba cumpliendo con lo que dispone la Ley de Salud Mental vigente, ya que en el centro de tratamiento habían quedado otros 26 internos, que no acompañaron a los que salieron del lugar.

          Con el correr de las horas las autoridades judiciales se pusieron en contacto con los familiares de los 24 internos que permanecían en sede policial, de los cuales 20 se retiraron hacia sus domicilios en distintos puntos del país o a nuevos sitios de internación. Los cuatro restantes retornaron a la Comunidad ya que dos de ellos están a cargo de jueces que deben decidir en la cuestión, mientras que los dos restantes quedaron nuevamente internados en el centro isleño por así disponerlos sus familiares, junto a los 26 residentes que no habían participado del episodio.

          Investigación judicial

          Consultado el doctor García Jurado sobre lo sucedido, manifestó: "En principio no estaríamos frente a un delito, por cuando el reclamo, que hacen los internos por su derecho de movilidad, no constituye un delito. Pero también estamos investigando la denuncia que hicieron los miembros de la clínica, en la que aseguran que fueron amenazados, en el contexto de los reclamos que hicieron los residentes para poder recuperar su derecho ambulatorio", señaló el magistrado.

          Cabe apuntar que el juez en varias oportunidades visitó la Comunidad Terapéutica y está al tanto del control estricto que se desarrolla para la rehabilitación de personas con problemas de adicción. "A primera vista, no estamos visualizando un claro delito penal, por ahora. Esto no quiere decir que con la continuidad de la investigación no aparezca algún hecho. No obstante, lo que aparece muy claro es una controversia naturalmente entre los internos con las autoridades del centro. Por un lado los residentes están por su propia voluntad y no sólo firmaron un acuerdo para estar allí, sino además pagaron un costoso tratamiento (NdeR: De varios miles de pesos mensuales) y ahora no están de acuerdo", remarcó el magistrado, que ordenó una investigación a nivel provincial y municipal sobre las habilitaciones del centro de rehabilitación y cuántas inspecciones se hicieron desde el área de Salud, provincial y municipal, manifestó García Jurado.


          Copyright 2006-2010 Diario El Argentino SRL.
          Title: Re: Juan Ferreyra - LinkedIn profile
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 12, 2012, 07:39:58 PM
          Quote from: "T-Rex"
          Quote from: "Ursus"
          Quote from: "T-Rex"
          We still also need to find out if Juan actually posted on the, "Elan Saved My Life".
          I understand Ursus you have kindly stated you are not inclined to get into the facebook gutter, I respect this. I'm just saying.
          Actually, I have no problem mucking about on Facebook. Didn't mean to imply that, in case I somehow did. It's just that I'm swamped with other stuff right now...

          I've caused enough ruckus about this that I think I should at least apply more of myself. I am asking some others I know to help me come up with a plan to get Juan on record.
          But once again we have to deal with some unscrupulous behind the scenes shenanigans. Seems some one has alerted Juan to the going's on around this site for some reason.
          This whole deal smells.
          I just want to tie this guy to Elan. I think will all know but I want him on record saying it.
          You have Danny. Cut the bullshit. YV 23 confronted you about the e-mail you sent him a few months ago, and every time he mentioned it you went silent. Nothing shuts you up but the truth

          The fact you can look at this, and see that kids are killing themselves, and let this man know that people are looking into him, shows that your still an abuser.

          You should be ashamed of yourself
          Title: Internal rehab fled and took refuge in the Head
          Post by: Ursus on February 12, 2012, 07:44:28 PM
          A rough Google translation of the above article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=39041&p=413228#p413226):

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          Diario El Argentino
          Internal rehab fled and took refuge in the Head (http://http://www.diarioelargentino.com.ar/noticias/86674/internos-de-un-centro-de-rehabilitacion-huyeron-y-se-refugiaron-en-la-jefatura)

          25/01/11 | Were 24 residents who reported irregularities in the regime of permanence. Most were placed with relatives. Officials at the clinic filed a counterclaim for threats. Jury Judge Garcia is holding the case.

          A confusing situation with cross-complaints, it happened in Villa Paranacito, department Islands on Sunday night.

          It was when 24 patients admitted voluntarily, in the Therapeutic Community for Substance Abuse Treatment, "Ibicuy Program", escaped from the institution and took refuge in the Departmental Headquarters.

          Although early reports were aware of a leak, what really happened was is that residents of expensive rehabilitation center came to headquarters to report to the authorities of the institution for the treatment they were receiving, describing it as very hard. Inmates also demanded that they be granted the right to mobility.

          In a counterclaim filed by the heads of the Community, the case went to the judge of Instruction No. 1 in turn Fair, Dr. Eduardo Garcia Jurado, who ordered that the public defender, Dr. Pablo Ledesma, Assistant Justice and verify if it was complying with the requirement of the current Mental Health Act, as in the treatment center had been 26 other inmates who did not accompany those who left the place.

          With the passing of the hours the judicial authorities contacted the families of the 24 inmates who remained in police custody, of which 20 were removed to their homes in different parts of the country or new places of internment. The remaining four returned to the Community since two of them are run by judges who must decide on the issue, while the remaining two were again placed in the center island so to arrange his family, along with the 26 residents who had not part of the episode.

          Inquest

          Dr. García Jurado consulted about what happened, said: "In principle there would be faced with a crime, when the claim, made ??by inmates for their right of mobility, not a crime. But we are also investigating the complaint made ??by the members of the clinic, which claim they were threatened, in the context of claims made ??by the residents their right to recover ambulatory," said the magistrate.

          It should be noted that the judge on several occasions visited the TC and is aware of the strict control that is developed for the rehabilitation of people with addiction problems. "At first glance, we are not currently a clear criminal offense, for now. This is not to say that with the continuation of the investigation does not appear any fact. However, what appears clear is a dispute between the internal course with the authorities the center. On one side are residents of their own volition and not just signed an agreement to be there, but also paid a costly treatment (Nder: of several thousand dollars per month) and now disagree," remarked the magistrate, who ordered an investigation at the provincial and municipal allotments rehabilitation center and how many inspections were made from the area of ??Health, provincial and municipal Garcia said Jury.


          Copyright 2006-2010 Diario El Argentino SRL.
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 12, 2012, 08:02:11 PM
          And, before you say you're not Danny

          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "Froderik"
          I don't know who is real and who isn't with that...the various "DB II"s and all of that.. it's pretty confusing, really....

          Hey, maybe someone could type up a short list of Danny's various screen names, as well as a list of some of the "not-Dannies" who are impersonating / trolling?

          Thanks in advance.

          Let me be the one who helps you since I have first hand knowledge.

          DannyB II and T-Rex are the only user names I use here on fornits.[/u][/b]
           
          I have been accused of being others.
          Here are some friends of mine who are often accused of being me.


          heretik
          - He has been posting here for awhile. He is friends with at least an dozen people here.
          He has also worked for me and with me for over 20 years, went through Marathon House with
          me, was at my wedding ect...bla bla!!

          Margaret Devlin- Went through Elan with Albert Beauchane and myself. She didn't like what went on here
          so pretty much she is gone. (you know Albert he put Wayno on the map, w/o Big Al  Wayno is nothing.)

          Ruaraidh
          - also went through Marathon House with heretik and myself. He comes here occasionally because
          he just can't stand Wayne.

          Hoaratio
          - is a strange dooood who just enjoys the foolishness and trys to bring some sanity to the situation.

          I am sure these folks will come by at some point and put their own two cents in but I wanted to give a heads up.

          *Please be aware that others will come by and put in their comments of who they want me to be. Take it with a grain
          of salt.*



          Now to you Froderik, you have a lot of gall coming here asking for anything.
          Your racist post concerning O'Bama told us all, what you are about. I am sure it is you who is spasming the Open Forum
          with the current racist remarks. (I noticed you made sure the post I am talking about was deleted.)
          Trust me duchess nobody cares what you want.  
          I see you didn't ask for Waynes, Felices or anyone else.
          Why don't you supply us with your current user names verified by the Admins.

          Thanks in advance duchess!!

          And noone calls us Elanians but you.
          Title: Re: Juan Ferreyra - LinkedIn profile
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 12, 2012, 11:29:19 PM
          Quote from: "T-Rex"
          Quote from: "Ursus"
          Quote from: "T-Rex"
          We still also need to find out if Juan actually posted on the, "Elan Saved My Life".
          I understand Ursus you have kindly stated you are not inclined to get into the facebook gutter, I respect this. I'm just saying.
          Actually, I have no problem mucking about on Facebook. Didn't mean to imply that, in case I somehow did. It's just that I'm swamped with other stuff right now...

          I've caused enough ruckus about this that I think I should at least apply more of myself. I am asking some others I know to help me come up with a plan to get Juan on record.
          Quote
          But once again we have to deal with some unscrupulous behind the scenes shenanigans. Seems some one has alerted Juan to the going's on around this site for some reason.
          This whole deal smells.
          I just want to tie this guy to Elan. I think will all know but I want him on record saying it.
          I was about to fall asleep, when it hit me, DANNY, how do you know Juan knows about this?

          You're reporting to him. You really are working with him.

          I know your  going to accuse me of being Wayne now, but who cares? How do you know this? And please don't tell us you wriggled the information out of him, only clever people are able to do that and your an idiot

          How can you read about people killing themselves, and then go report this information to that animal? I always thought Wayne was an asshole for telling you to kill your self but not any more. I've never publicly denied your survivor status, but I do now. Your an evil thing. A repulsive hurtful, hateful animal. Just like Juan

          Wow
          Title: Re: Juan Ferreyra - LinkedIn profile
          Post by: T-Rex on February 12, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
          ....
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Xelebes on February 12, 2012, 11:43:28 PM
          Hey Danny Shorthands, can you put a sock in it?
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 12, 2012, 11:44:13 PM
          Juan just came out and told you that someone is secretly reporting this stuff to him?

          He just told a stranger his personal information?

          Your a lair
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 12, 2012, 11:46:56 PM
          Quote from: "Xelebes"
          Hey Danny Shorthands, can you put a sock in it?
          One of us isn't Wayne since we posted seconds apart

          I wonder which Danny will choose?
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 12, 2012, 11:49:43 PM
          What does it matter if we're all Wayne? You've admitted being T-Rex, and as Horatio you admitted it. You said it was a typo, but typing "I" instead of "Danny" isn't a typo, it's a drunko

          What's in it for you? How much has Juan offered you?

          Are you really getting a job from him?

          Are you human?
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: T-Rex on February 13, 2012, 12:07:43 AM
          ...
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: T-Rex on February 13, 2012, 12:15:56 AM
          ...
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 13, 2012, 12:21:22 AM
          Another lie. You said you were in the service, and that you were in dessert storm. What were you doing, throwing pies at each other?

          Anyone who was there knows it is spelled Desert Storm.

          Were you in WWII? The war of 1812? Were you and Dolly Madison making ice cream sundaes, readying you for Dessert Storm?

          Danny, I'm done with you too. Your good at driving people off this site.

          This is like being abused all over again. I can't do it any more
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 13, 2012, 12:21:22 AM
          Another lie. You said you were in the service, and that you were in dessert storm. What were you doing, throwing pies at each other?

          Anyone who was there knows it is spelled Desert Storm.

          Were you in WWII? The war of 1812? Were you and Dolly Madison making ice cream sundaes, readying you for Dessert Storm?

          Danny, I'm done with you too. Your good at driving people off this site.

          This is like being abused all over again. I can't do it any more
          Title: Re: Juan Ferreyra - LinkedIn profile
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 13, 2012, 12:23:29 AM
          Quote from: "Troublemaker"
          Quote from: "T-Rex"
          Quote from: "Ursus"
          Quote from: "T-Rex"
          We still also need to find out if Juan actually posted on the, "Elan Saved My Life".
          I understand Ursus you have kindly stated you are not inclined to get into the facebook gutter, I respect this. I'm just saying.
          Actually, I have no problem mucking about on Facebook. Didn't mean to imply that, in case I somehow did. It's just that I'm swamped with other stuff right now...

          I've caused enough ruckus about this that I think I should at least apply more of myself. I am asking some others I know to help me come up with a plan to get Juan on record.
          Quote
          But once again we have to deal with some unscrupulous behind the scenes shenanigans. Seems some one has alerted Juan to the going's on around this site for some reason.
          This whole deal smells.
          I just want to tie this guy to Elan. I think will all know but I want him on record saying it.
          I was about to fall asleep, when it hit me, DANNY, how do you know Juan knows about this?

          You're reporting to him. You really are working with him.

          I know your  going to accuse me of being Wayne now, but who cares? How do you know this? And please don't tell us you wriggled the information out of him, only clever people are able to do that and your an idiot

          How can you read about people killing themselves, and then go report this information to that animal? I always thought Wayne was an asshole for telling you to kill your self but not any more. I've never publicly denied your survivor status, but I do now. Your an evil thing. A repulsive hurtful, hateful animal. Just like Juan

          Wow
          :bump:
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Troublemaker on February 13, 2012, 12:24:22 AM
          Quote from: "Troublemaker"
          What does it matter if we're all Wayne? You've admitted being T-Rex, and as Horatio you admitted it. You said it was a typo, but typing "I" instead of "Danny" isn't a typo, it's a drunko

          What's in it for you? How much has Juan offered you?

          Are you really getting a job from him?

          Are you human?
          :bump:
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: none-ya. on February 13, 2012, 07:07:58 AM
          Quote from: "Troublemaker"
          Quote from: "Troublemaker"
          What does it matter if we're all Wayne? You've admitted being T-Rex, and as Horatio you admitted it. You said it was a typo, but typing "I" instead of "Danny" isn't a typo, it's a drunko

          What's in it for you? How much has Juan offered you?

          Are you really getting a job from him?

          Are you human?
          :bump:

          Quote
          I was about to fall asleep, when it hit me, DANNY, how do you know Juan knows about this?

          You're reporting to him. You really are working with him.

          I know your going to accuse me of being Wayne now, but who cares? How do you know this? And please don't tell us you wriggled the information out of him, only clever people are able to do that and your an idiot

          How can you read about people killing themselves, and then go report this information to that animal? I always thought Wayne was an asshole for telling you to kill your self but not any more. I've never publicly denied your survivor status, but I do now. Your an evil thing. A repulsive hurtful, hateful animal. Just like Juan

          Wow
          The question has been asked, and not answered. How do you know Juan knows about this Danny?

          He wouldn't volunteer that information to a compete stranger on the phone

          Nice catch TM
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: none-ya. on February 13, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
          and before you deflect with "That's not none-ya" No I'm not. I'm none-ya.

          The period is because none-ya is on the rag

          It doesn't explain how you know Juan is aware of what's being said about him

          You creep
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Ruaraidh. on February 13, 2012, 10:53:42 PM
          .
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Ruaraidh. on February 13, 2012, 10:57:33 PM
          .
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Ruaraidh. on February 13, 2012, 11:01:07 PM
          .
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Horatio. on February 14, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
          Quote from: "none-ya."
          Quote from: "Troublemaker"
          Quote from: "Troublemaker"
          What does it matter if we're all Wayne? You've admitted being T-Rex, and as Horatio you admitted it. You said it was a typo, but typing "I" instead of "Danny" isn't a typo, it's a drunko

          What's in it for you? How much has Juan offered you?

          Are you really getting a job from him?

          Are you human?
          :bump:

          Quote
          I was about to fall asleep, when it hit me, DANNY, how do you know Juan knows about this?

          You're reporting to him. You really are working with him.

          I know your going to accuse me of being Wayne now, but who cares? How do you know this? And please don't tell us you wriggled the information out of him, only clever people are able to do that and your an idiot

          How can you read about people killing themselves, and then go report this information to that animal? I always thought Wayne was an asshole for telling you to kill your self but not any more. I've never publicly denied your survivor status, but I do now. Your an evil thing. A repulsive hurtful, hateful animal. Just like Juan

          Wow
          The question has been asked, and not answered. How do you know Juan knows about this Danny?

          He wouldn't volunteer that information to a compete stranger on the phone

          Nice catch TM
          *Taps feet*
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: none-ya. on February 14, 2012, 05:53:49 PM
          Quote from: "Horatio."
          Quote from: "none-ya."
          Quote from: "Troublemaker"
          Quote from: "Troublemaker"
          What does it matter if we're all Wayne? You've admitted being T-Rex, and as Horatio you admitted it. You said it was a typo, but typing "I" instead of "Danny" isn't a typo, it's a drunko

          What's in it for you? How much has Juan offered you?

          Are you really getting a job from him?

          Are you human?
          :bump:

          Quote
          I was about to fall asleep, when it hit me, DANNY, how do you know Juan knows about this?

          You're reporting to him. You really are working with him.

          I know your going to accuse me of being Wayne now, but who cares? How do you know this? And please don't tell us you wriggled the information out of him, only clever people are able to do that and your an idiot

          How can you read about people killing themselves, and then go report this information to that animal? I always thought Wayne was an asshole for telling you to kill your self but not any more. I've never publicly denied your survivor status, but I do now. Your an evil thing. A repulsive hurtful, hateful animal. Just like Juan

          Wow
          The question has been asked, and not answered. How do you know Juan knows about this Danny?

          He wouldn't volunteer that information to a compete stranger on the phone

          Nice catch TM
          *Taps feet*
          Would that be in a public restroom?

           :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Ruaraidh. on February 14, 2012, 05:57:25 PM
          :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Internal rehab fled and took refuge in the Head
          Post by: Ursus on February 14, 2012, 09:17:27 PM
          Getting back to the topic at hand... Repost to refresh folks' memories:

          Quote from: "Ursus"
          A rough Google translation of the above article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=39041&p=413228#p413226):

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          Diario El Argentino
          Internal rehab fled and took refuge in the Head (http://http://www.diarioelargentino.com.ar/noticias/86674/internos-de-un-centro-de-rehabilitacion-huyeron-y-se-refugiaron-en-la-jefatura)

          25/01/11 | Were 24 residents who reported irregularities in the regime of permanence. Most were placed with relatives. Officials at the clinic filed a counterclaim for threats. Jury Judge Garcia is holding the case.

          A confusing situation with cross-complaints, it happened in Villa Paranacito, department Islands on Sunday night.

          It was when 24 patients admitted voluntarily, in the Therapeutic Community for Substance Abuse Treatment, "Ibicuy Program", escaped from the institution and took refuge in the Departmental Headquarters.

          Although early reports were aware of a leak, what really happened was is that residents of expensive rehabilitation center came to headquarters to report to the authorities of the institution for the treatment they were receiving, describing it as very hard. Inmates also demanded that they be granted the right to mobility.

          In a counterclaim filed by the heads of the Community, the case went to the judge of Instruction No. 1 in turn Fair, Dr. Eduardo Garcia Jurado, who ordered that the public defender, Dr. Pablo Ledesma, Assistant Justice and verify if it was complying with the requirement of the current Mental Health Act, as in the treatment center had been 26 other inmates who did not accompany those who left the place.

          With the passing of the hours the judicial authorities contacted the families of the 24 inmates who remained in police custody, of which 20 were removed to their homes in different parts of the country or new places of internment. The remaining four returned to the Community since two of them are run by judges who must decide on the issue, while the remaining two were again placed in the center island so to arrange his family, along with the 26 residents who had not part of the episode.

          Inquest

          Dr. García Jurado consulted about what happened, said: "In principle there would be faced with a crime, when the claim, made ??by inmates for their right of mobility, not a crime. But we are also investigating the complaint made ??by the members of the clinic, which claim they were threatened, in the context of claims made ??by the residents their right to recover ambulatory," said the magistrate.

          It should be noted that the judge on several occasions visited the TC and is aware of the strict control that is developed for the rehabilitation of people with addiction problems. "At first glance, we are not currently a clear criminal offense, for now. This is not to say that with the continuation of the investigation does not appear any fact. However, what appears clear is a dispute between the internal course with the authorities the center. On one side are residents of their own volition and not just signed an agreement to be there, but also paid a costly treatment (Nder: of several thousand dollars per month) and now disagree," remarked the magistrate, who ordered an investigation at the provincial and municipal allotments rehabilitation center and how many inspections were made from the area of ??Health, provincial and municipal Garcia said Jury.


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          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify pol
          Post by: Ursus on February 15, 2012, 12:57:55 AM
          What appears to have happened (if I'm reading these translations correctly), is that, at least at that point in time (namely, roughly a year ago), Ibicuy was taking in voluntary placements. Perhaps Ibicuy was aggressively marketing itself as an bona fide addiction treatment option.

          However, as we all know, people who choose to enter an addiction treatment program voluntarily have certain expectations as to recognition of their rights as individuals as well as personal dignity. Said elements appear to have been lacking from the Ibicuy program.

          Consequent the rebellion, such as it was, of roughly 50% of the Ibicuy clientele.

          In response, in all probability a self-protective measure, Ibicuy filed counter charges, specifics of which I am unable to decipher.
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify police
          Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on February 13, 2017, 12:05:25 PM
          Thank you  all for playing  is it  Juan's or is it  the juan standing behind juan concerning  his imported Elan program that he carried from the backwoods of Maine to his country of origin Argentina and named it IBICUY  - and why would the sock puppet  t-rex - who we all know is db run the bullshit that  he did. The sicknesses know no bounds .

          And Juan Ferreria  posts on Elan survivor sites -  imo a sadist of the uber extreme-   bumping this up so it is easier for those interested to find . 
          Title: Re: ~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify police
          Post by: Che Gookin on February 28, 2017, 08:42:12 PM
          Two things..


          1) Damn i miss Ursus, I hope the bear reads this and knows the bear will always hold a special place in my shriveled coal lump of a heart.

          2) Holy fuck, Elan made it to Argentina?