Post by: dragonfly on December 29, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: Nonconformistlaw on December 29, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
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Post by: Antigen on December 29, 2005, 09:32:00 PM
Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
He who would search for perls must dive below.
Prolougue (from preface to
the Panther Book)
John Dryden, All for Love, Prolougue
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 09:36:00 PM
I've got my text size set as small though and I keep reading Troubled Children as Troubled Chicken. :grin:
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 09:51:00 PM
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On 2005-12-29 18:32:00, Antigen wrote:Fair enough Ginger, I just had no idea what was going on..Its really not a big deal sweetie cakes!
"Oh, butch up! I decided to see if I could get some bucks rolling in to offset the costs. I suppose I could charge a fee to eliminate that one little line of text. But nobody would pay it. It's not really that annoying, is it? I'll admit, the layout sucks. It's just so hard to make anything work in all cases. I may have the new phpbb up and running soon, though, so it'll be a whole new look.Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
He who would search for perls must dive below.
Prolougue (from preface to
the Panther Book)
John Dryden, All for Love, Prolougue
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Post by: Nonconformistlaw on December 29, 2005, 10:03:00 PM
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On 2005-12-29 18:32:00, Antigen wrote:
"Oh, butch up! I decided to see if I could get some bucks rolling in to offset the costs."
Oh okay, I didnt know that....I'll get over it!
Post by: Antigen on December 30, 2005, 01:09:00 AM
When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do.
William Blake
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 01:11:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 09:39:00 AM
:lol:
Post by: GregFL on December 30, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
:grin:
Serious, good move. It is unobstrusive and certainly a better move than a) charging user fees or b) hooking up with spyware whores.
Post by: exsafecounselor on December 30, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:35:00 AM
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On 2005-12-29 18:32:00, Antigen wrote:
"Oh, butch up! I decided to see if I could get some bucks rolling in to offset the costs. I suppose I could charge a fee to eliminate that one little line of text. But nobody would pay it. It's not really that annoying, is it? I'll admit, the layout sucks. It's just so hard to make anything work in all cases. I may have the new phpbb up and running soon, though, so it'll be a whole new look.Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
He who would search for perls must dive below.
Prolougue (from preface to
the Panther Book)
John Dryden, All for Love, Prolougue
"
Trouble is, some of the things Google has decided to try to sell to me include ALA, Robert Land Academy, RedCliff Ascent, and WWASP. I don't know how it does it but it seems to try to guess what you are interested in by the page you are looking at. Right now it thinks I am into WWF wrestling.
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:47:00 AM
The Official Kodachrome Straight, Inc. Veterans' Forum
Capital One Visa Straight, Inc. Child Victims of the Brainwash Institution Forum
...
I myself not being in any manner savvy on the collection of revenues via linkage and so forth, nevertheless suggest I hope not too foolishly... ~ what if you were to make a page here at fornits linking to worthy business adventures - keep it to corporations doing the right thing - ventures of possible mutual interest, do it yourselfer get off the gridder enterprises like realgoods.com, put in a couple high quality hemp distributors, maybe harley davidson bikes and parts if they are staying in the U.S.
That's just an idea. I like not looking at advertisements. They get in my head, like propaganda or something. It's like advertisements are an inherent and viscerally bothersome representation of the brainwash institution, like all those pictures of Chairman Mao or something.
My settings do not allow me to view the ads, I mention this for the principle of the thing.
I recommend that all those bothered in principle and in body by advertisements boycott fornits until that propaganda shit comes down.
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 10:55:00 AM
Post by: Antigen on December 30, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
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On 2005-12-29 14:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"FYI: Google data-mines everything. This is not a comfortable development. "
Darlin, Google has been mining data from this site since very soon after I opened it. And Google isn't the only one. There's also inktomisearch, msnbot and a whole regiment of other data mining bots. That's how come we come up on a search. Placing an ad line in the page doesn't change that at all.
Honestly, I wish I'd gotten around to this a bit sooner. Coulda used a little green stuff awhile back, ya know?
[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce
Post by: Antigen on December 30, 2005, 11:58:00 AM
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On 2005-12-30 07:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
Trouble is, some of the things Google has decided to try to sell to me include ALA, Robert Land Academy, RedCliff Ascent, and WWASP. I don't know how it does it but it seems to try to guess what you are interested in by the page you are looking at. Right now it thinks I am into WWF wrestling."
Yeah, Google has got some hot shit AI going on there. I've thought about this for a long time, put it off, I'll think about it tomorrow, la te dah. Then I checked out Charlie King's take on it and I think he's probably right. I think those industry ads showing up in this context are probably not helping their business; it's like a defaced billboard or something. But they have to pay anyway. Christ on a crutch, with the amount of traffic this site gets, they'll probably see an increase in advertising bills by the middle of next month (as I understand the billing cycle).
I've never looked into the advertiser end of it. I wonder if they can block fornits.com from their end?
Who knows. I'll just wait and see how this plays out. Oh, btw, Bill said he'd resign if I upgrade to the new PhpBB. And he's got some very valid points there. I think it's high time for an overhaul, though. This layout absolutely sucks great sweaty donky balls! It's damned near impossible to work on. But we just have so damned many custom features not present in the new release. And there is some degree of security through obscurity, after all. We actually did dodge a total wipe out one time. Not just the forums, but a hack that would have blown out everything under Fornits, including some of my customers' sites, if we hadn't mangled the code already.
So I think I'll just start doing a bit of tweaking and fix what I got.
Anybody who's really that offended or annoyed by the ads, please feel free to click on the occasional link for free web forum hosting.
I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there.
--Robert Frost, American poet
Post by: Antigen on December 30, 2005, 12:04:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 07:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
what if you were to make a page here at fornits linking to worthy business adventures - keep it to corporations doing the right thing - ventures of possible mutual interest, do it yourselfer get off the gridder enterprises like realgoods.com, put in a couple high quality hemp distributors, maybe harley davidson bikes and parts if they are staying in the U.S.
Well, I've thought about that and hunkered and watched how it all plays out. Sadly, there are just as many pitfalls there. I initially wanted to advertise for Marc Emory. Then I found out that ... well, all good deeds and intentions aside, he's just not a person I really would like to do business with. Then you get the fucking DEA seruptitiously commandeering commercial web sites for use in their sting operations. Then you have the whole 'The Hemperor pays no dues' saga going on all over the place.
No, I keep coming back around to the same conclusion. I'm not qualified (don't think anyone is) to determine which companies are good for you to do business with. It's better, by far, to avoid creating the appearance of any endorsement at all from me. It's just pretty much random; whoever is willing to pay Google for this type of ad, well that's what turns up.
We did not inherit this land from our ancestors, we borrow it form our children.
Haida
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 12:32:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 07:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey instead of having the googls ads, why not just rename it:
The Official Kodachrome Straight, Inc. Veterans' Forum
Capital One Visa Straight, Inc. Child Victims of the Brainwash Institution Forum
...
I myself not being in any manner savvy on the collection of revenues via linkage and so forth, nevertheless suggest I hope not too foolishly... ~ what if you were to make a page here at fornits linking to worthy business adventures - keep it to corporations doing the right thing - ventures of possible mutual interest, do it yourselfer get off the gridder enterprises like realgoods.com, put in a couple high quality hemp distributors, maybe harley davidson bikes and parts if they are staying in the U.S.
I recommend that all those bothered in principle and in body by advertisements boycott fornits until that propaganda shit comes down."
Sure, right after you buy all hemp clothes, put down that keyboard (made in china), stop looking in that monitor made in Korea.
You are unfucking real. It is real easy to take some phony moral high ground while you are browsing this site on someone else's nickel.
You remind me of the guy in the soup kitchen line that complains that the soup is too hot.
GregFL
Post by: Antigen on December 30, 2005, 12:37:00 PM
Come in the evening, or come in the morning; Come when you 're looked for, or come without warning.
-- Thomas O. Davis (1814-1845): The Welcome.
Post by: GregFL on December 30, 2005, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 12:46:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 09:38:00, GregFL wrote:
"I say leave it here Ging. No one will see it there.
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That's the whole point of moving it dip shit. ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff::
Post by: GregFL on December 30, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
Who wants to hang around assholes like you?
Post by: Antigen on December 30, 2005, 01:36:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 09:46:00, Reagan Youth wrote:
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On 2005-12-30 09:38:00, GregFL wrote:
"I say leave it here Ging. No one will see it there.
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That's the whole point of moving it dip shit. ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff::
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No, actually, the point would be to get it into the history on website hosting. See, I really will quit threatening one of these days and actually improve the layout and fix some other bugs in this here highly modified softwear. And I'd like for ppl interested in the tech/admin end of things to be able to find all relavent discussion right there where you'd expect to find it.
Speaking of which, that's one nifty feature I've thought about writing. I'd like to have the ability to x-ref a thread so that it would show up in two or more forums.
Hmm... Ok, so I'm moving this thread and I'll just kludge it by posting a link back to it.
When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set."
Lyn Utang
Post by: dragonfly on December 30, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 08:22:00 PM
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On 2005-12-30 09:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-30 07:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey instead of having the googls ads, why not just rename it:
The Official Kodachrome Straight, Inc. Veterans' Forum
Capital One Visa Straight, Inc. Child Victims of the Brainwash Institution Forum
...
I myself not being in any manner savvy on the collection of revenues via linkage and so forth, nevertheless suggest I hope not too foolishly... ~ what if you were to make a page here at fornits linking to worthy business adventures - keep it to corporations doing the right thing - ventures of possible mutual interest, do it yourselfer get off the gridder enterprises like realgoods.com, put in a couple high quality hemp distributors, maybe harley davidson bikes and parts if they are staying in the U.S.
I recommend that all those bothered in principle and in body by advertisements boycott fornits until that propaganda shit comes down."
Sure, right after you buy all hemp clothes, put down that keyboard (made in china), stop looking in that monitor made in Korea.
You are unfucking real. It is real easy to take some phony moral high ground while you are browsing this site on someone else's nickel.
You remind me of the guy in the soup kitchen line that complains that the soup is too hot.
GregFL
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hey boyo, i don't like ads. a lot of people don't like ads. i present a potential solution wherein there might be revenue-generating linkages on a separate, voluntarily accessed place, but make it cool and all. nothing wrong with that, i think we all when we can try to avoid the child labor stuff. it's hard to find goods in the marketplace at all anymore without buying something made with child labor, petroleum, polluting and so on. i know we all share these concerns. i thought i would be on the same page regarding the consciousness of advertisements, propaganda, where money is spent. the mere repetition of a name gives it familiarity which is important for a sale. now, i am no statistics-collector, but advertisers sure are. they don't need people to click on the ad for a child torture camp to have an effective ad, they just need the name to enter the consciousness. that is a fact of advertising.
Post by: Antigen on December 30, 2005, 10:49:00 PM
I do recognize the ad impression, familiarity, brainwashing potential. But there's a counterbalance; context. You don't win ad campaigns by associating your product w/ unseemly material. When I'm done messing w/ the layout for the moment, I'm gonna go see what's selling over in Let It Bleed. I bet it's some cool music and stuff.
That's the point of the experiment. The AI is supposed to find ads that seem to fit the context of the page. Sometimes it's rather bizarre but usually it's pretty close.
And I think we should start some threads about troubled chickens just to see what turns up in the ads. Then the particular ads will attract some, repel others and it could get really interesting!
[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce
Post by: Antigen on December 30, 2005, 11:30:00 PM
Every post, every phrase and paragraph, in this entire forum is just that; an appeal to win you over to some point of view. Some of the better, more artfully done appeals are to make us think and laugh and not take ourselves so damned seriously all the time.
And ya'll just have NO idea how much I looked forward to getting a peek at some of that when my only access was a public terminal in Oakland. ::kiss::
The words are, by design, just the same words that occure throughout the pages; they're as close as the programers and math geeks can come to just what you were reading about.
So what's so different about this now? You can click or not on whatever you like and think what you want to think about it. Making money is not an evil thing to do. Taking it by force or fraud is. But not making it.
I just wonder how good this AI can get. Wonder what's in Have You Read It and if it'll get closer to the mark over time?
Just play with it, dude! Have fun, poke it, bash it, insult it, praise it... see what it does. I'm not done playing with this yet. I won't dig in and decide aforehand whether or not it will work out. But I'm pretty determined to make this work to advantage.
No dirty tricks, either. It's the principle of the thing. This is a free market test. I think totalitarian products and services can't swim these waters. I'm willing to mess around just a little further and see if that pans out even just a little further.
Wanna bet again' it?
When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ...... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.
-- Bill Clinton, 3-22-94
Post by: Antigen on December 31, 2005, 12:15:00 AM
so long as the priest, that professional negator, slanderer and poisoner of life, is regarded as a superior type of human being, there cannot be any answer to the question: What is truth?
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
Post by: Antigen on December 31, 2005, 01:21:00 AM
I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create.
--Vincent Van Gogh, Dutch painter
_________________
Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2005, 06:17:00 AM
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On 2005-12-30 20:30:00, Antigen wrote:
"So what's so different about this now? You can click or not on whatever you like and think what you want to think about it. Making money is not an evil thing to do. Taking it by force or fraud is. But not making it.
I think totalitarian products and services can't swim these waters."
Is propaganda fraud? Is repetition brainwashing? Is exposure to a viral agent one way people get the flu, irrespective of their p.o.v. on germ theory?
Are those who frequent fornits immune to totalitarianism, propaganda, brainwashing, or even mere suggestibility?
Post by: Helena Handbasket on December 31, 2005, 10:25:00 AM
Being sleepy can impair someone's ability to do thier job. People
can sleep at home and come to the job with sleepiness still in their system. The sleepiness can still be there long after the employee has slept. When someone is found to be sleepy on the job, they can claim that they went to sleep the night before. The only solution to this problem is to ban employees from sleeping.
--Arthur Slabosky
Post by: Antigen on December 31, 2005, 10:27:00 AM
Is anybody completely immune to this kind of influence? I doubt it. Is anybody completely helpless to resist it? I don't buy that either.
But check this out. How come the troubled parent industry websites don't use Google ads? They buy them, alright. So they know about how it works. And they could, theoretically, turn a buck from all those myriad websites they've got out there. So why not do it?
I have a theory. I think it's because they can't. They can't allow a random sampling of whatever's out there into their marketing material. What they're selling is a scam. The pitch requires a high pressure tactic, including as much control as possible over what the mark is thinking about.
We don't have that problem. Now...
The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.".
--George Washington, Revolutionary War General and U.S. President
_________________
Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 03:08:00 AM
Now Ginger, if my words were mere repetition I wouldn't give you such wholesome and original questions to mull over as I did in that last anonymous post.
If you don't think there is a big difference between conversation and propaganda, which are you engaged in?
Post by: Antigen on January 04, 2006, 02:47:00 PM
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On 2006-01-04 00:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
If you don't think there is a big difference between conversation and propaganda, which are you engaged in?
Describe the difference, please.
The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.".
--George Washington, Revolutionary War General and U.S. President
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 03:26:00 PM