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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 13, 2005, 04:43:00 AM
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i hope my own life is worth it to all of you out there because when it all boils down, my life has been saved because of cheryl and mark. i love them for helping me find who i am and what im worth. i was going nowhere, on drugs, nearly died twice, and now im graduated from high school, with a real diploma- have a full time job and im heading toward the UNHCR to help in humanitarian aid. they arent hurting my friends in the whitmore. thats what matters most.
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yessssssss again. keep it up you guys. start sharing the stories we know are true. she always taught us we were spiritual beings having a mortal experience. be strong and shut these other liars up. im actually alive now. i probably would be dead. thank God she is a passionate person. she accepts us as we are. then helps us learn the spiritual laws that help us to be better. any one who gets the opportunity to learn about life by living at the place, should be eternally grateful. i just hope they dont quit after all the crap these evil people are saying. who would ever have a job like this if all this goes with it. i cant believe how mean people can be without even thinking.
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On 2005-03-13 01:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"yessssssss again. keep it up you guys. start sharing the stories we know are true. she always taught us we were spiritual beings having a mortal experience. be strong and shut these other liars up. im actually alive now. i probably would be dead. thank God she is a passionate person. she accepts us as we are. then helps us learn the spiritual laws that help us to be better. any one who gets the opportunity to learn about life by living at the place, should be eternally grateful. i just hope they dont quit after all the crap these evil people are saying. who would ever have a job like this if all this goes with it. i cant believe how mean people can be without even thinking."
See, now this kind of post is just scary! The kool aid must be flowing freely. :scared:
What's with the frequent use of the word "evil"? How much of the Mormon religion are you guys exposed to? :???: Freedom has a thousand charms to show, That slaves, howe'er contented, never know.
William Cowper, a British Christian poet & hymn writer (18th century)
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On 2005-03-13 01:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i hope my own life is worth it to all of you out there because when it all boils down, my life has been saved because of cheryl and mark. i love them for helping me find who i am and what im worth. i was going nowhere, on drugs, nearly died twice, and now im graduated from high school, with a real diploma- have a full time job and im heading toward the UNHCR to help in humanitarian aid. they arent hurting my friends in the whitmore. thats what matters most."
Oh dear GOD - HOW did you manage to get a high school diploma when you don't seem to have the ability to properly capitalize or punctuate a sentence, OR use verbs correctly!? Have you taken SATS? Did you score above 200?
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On 2005-03-13 01:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i hope my own life is worth it to all of you out there because when it all boils down, my life has been saved because of cheryl and mark. i love them for helping me find who i am and what im worth. i was going nowhere, on drugs, nearly died twice, and now im graduated from high school, with a real diploma- have a full time job and im heading toward the UNHCR to help in humanitarian aid. they arent hurting my friends in the whitmore. thats what matters most."
Hey, I have an idea! Why don't you apply to Harvard!? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Do Mark and Cheryl wear the magical underwear too?
The Internet is now safe for free speech.
-- Christopher A. Hansen on the overturning of the Communications Decency Act
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you know, this is really childish. i am watchin all these links and cant believe this one. oh well, if it makes you happy to write this stuff. but i bet there are more important things you could be doing. i am trying to learn abou tall this things, and this stuff really is off the wall.
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For real! Here's a pic.
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/garment.jpg (http://home.teleport.com/~packham/garment.jpg)Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones
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On 2005-03-13 07:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you know, this is really childish. i am watchin all these links and cant believe this one.
I couldn't agree more. :roll: As men's prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, poet, philosopher
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On 2005-03-13 08:15:00, Erinys wrote:
"For real! Here's a pic.
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/garment.jpg (http://home.teleport.com/~packham/garment.jpg)
:lol: I was born a heretic. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
--Susan B. Anthony, U.S. reformer and suffragist
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Surely your not laughing at the sacred garments!
Ya want a real hoot - read up on what they are and why they are worn. Harkins back to the Masonic roots of Mormonisum - which is why they are decorated with Masonic symbols - and that is what makes them Magic. . . Fasinating stuff.
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Well, I guess that was below the belt. Mea culpa, Mea maxima culpa.
I should probably adjust my my meds. The dose of Fuckitol is outta whack.The most fundamental purpose of government is defense, not empire.
--Joseph Sobran
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The Morman religion is shoved down these kids throats. That is what the Sudweeks hide behind.
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It is SAID Mark and Cheryl wear the "garments." Now how would a student know THAT? Scary huh?
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On 2005-03-13 09:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The Morman religion is shoved down these kids throats. That is what the Sudweeks hide behind."
If the way the kids from Whitmore post on here is any indication of the kind of religious compassion they're being taught there, it paints a very sad picture.
That's the scary part. I'm sure the Sudweeks believe they're doing the right thing. I'm sure these kids who are under their control believe that Mark and Cheryl love them and are trying to help them. Religion validates their methods for some people, obviously for them, but its all about control. I know this has been posted numerous times but its really relevant.
http://www.ex-cult.org/ (http://www.ex-cult.org/) Read the first three starting with Lifton. It sheds a lot of light on how these places work.
Here's another interesting thread over on the Straight forum.
The Durbin Torture Amendment (mentions sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation & public humiliation) http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... forum=7&16 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=7679&forum=7&16)
You know, too many weirdos out there. At least with you people I know WHY you are weird!!!
Kady
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thats not fair at all. i actually have very decent english. whats the point in being perfect on a web forum? i guess the fact that i am going somewhere in life after having been through more hell than you can imagine...its all nothing to you so i need not argue anymore.
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No need for perfection, but capitalization, punctuation and so on, would make what you write more readable.
I have noticed a general dumbing down of writing skills all across the board.
I recall once proofing a paper for one of my kids and being told it was fine. It was not fine. It looked like much that turns up on these forums. We argued, but in the end I let the paper go back to school in its sorry state; thinking the resulting low grade would wake up my lazy author.
Paper got an A.
Turned out it was fine after all.
:roll:
Oh, and this too:
Your wrong to think people don't care that your doing well after going through hell. I think lots do care and are happy for you. They might tend to debate who should get the credit, but this doesn't mean they aren't happy your happy.
[ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2005-03-13 19:45 ]
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On 2005-03-13 10:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is SAID Mark and Cheryl wear the "garments." Now how would a student know THAT? Scary huh?"
Because many of them saw Cheryl in hers. My kid did and got freaked out! Others have said the same, at least 4 I know of. Would the general public tolerate a teacher appearing in her underware in front of students??? Heck no! She would be suspended or fired immediately. Why then would it be acceptable for Cheryl to appear in her underware/garments in front of our children. Could it be the "family" atmosphere they grew accustomed to? I would feel very uncomfortable in my underware in front of a teenage boy, why wouldn't Cheryl?? Something very wrong with this picture!!
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Yeah, that seems out of line - but to be fare - this kind of under garment is extremely modest. Far more so than most modern street cloths. But it is, after all, underwear, and in front of the young men? Not a good move. I wouldn't like the idea as a parent, and I can imagine the students feeling pretty uncomfortable about it. What would happen if they laughed out loud at the sight?
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On 2005-03-14 16:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
Because many of them saw Cheryl in hers. My kid did and got freaked out!
Wow! Any corroboration to this? [Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Leah also saw them in their "garments."
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I swear I thought the whole garments thing was just a joke. I didn't realize they actually wore them, let alone in front of other people's children.
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And Mr. Bean just said the same. What's the context? I mean, was it that she'd normally walk around in her underwear? Or just that kids would walk in on her accidentally? Or did she do it on purpose to show them "these are the sacred garments"? What's the story here?
Curioser and curioser...Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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This is so dumb. I have known the Sudweeks forever. If anyone has seen them in there underware its not because they make a point of showing them. I am sure! Lets see how much more of their private life we can dig up. and then complain that showing an email is to confidential. WHAT YOU HAVE DONE by showing their garments, let alone talking about them shows you people have no integrity. All i can say is you people will get yours. This is just WRONG.
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I agree. I can't help but notice its the same people talking about this that were so against exploiting the Harris girl. That had such a problem with private things. It looks like the only private thing they were worried about is how it discredited everything Joyce Harris has waisted her time saying for four months. All of you filthy mouthed people who supported her are the same ones talking about the Sudweeks underware. Sorry, sacred underware. is there nothing sacred to you people? and you call yourself Grandma. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
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On 2005-03-15 00:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
" is there nothing sacred to you people?
Not much, really.
My snark about the Joseph Jammies, impertinent and irelevant as it may have seemed, was a sidelong swipe at the ethics of posting of that email.
And don't think it's just the Mormons I poke fun at either. I once got in very hot water with a little quip over the name of God. (Howard)
Our father Howard in Heaven,
Howard be thy name.
See! There it is! Twice even!
I am an equal opportunity offender.
Until you've lost your reputation,you never realize what a burden it was or what freedom really is.
MARGARET MITCHELL
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What do you mean "you people will get yours" why all the threats? See that is where the problem lies. you just can't talk this way to people. Threatening people just doesn't set well. And flaunting some type of a religion that just out and out seems weird--well you just have to accept people asking questions about it. wearing clothes that ward off "evil" just seems weird. and since they are UNDER garments, kids shouldn't be seeing them periord.Especially if they are worn by TEACHERS in charge of KIDs. AND is your only defense to bring everything BACK to Joyce Harris? Deflecting everyting back to this woman does not make the SUDWEEKS look any less guilty you know????
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//If anyone has seen them in there underware its not because they make a point of showing them. I am sure! //
Your sure? How are you sure? How the hell would you know? You visit (you say) but have you ever lived there? Big difference tween the two. And you know it.
I don't know either, but I do wonder. I think the questions Ginger askd are the important ones. I await a reply.
As for talking about private things - the secrete is out. Most people who have done even surface study on Mormonism are aware of the magic underwear thing. A conversation on this well known secrete in no way compares with posting personal email - and you know this, too.
Besides, it seems the Sudwicks are not to terribly concerned with keeping them private.
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-I am a certified school teacher.
I have been LIED about on this site--it has been SAID I was fired from my teaching job because I abused my daugher. BOTH are lies. I adopted my daughter in 1998, and I have not worked since 1997...and I have never been fired PERIOD.
And I have never abused my daughter, PERIOD.
But the point I really wanted to make:
IN ALL OF MY YEARS OF TEACHING----NOT ONCE, NOT EVER did any of my students EVER see me in my underwear, PERIOD.
Showing students one's underwear is just not ACCEPTABLE under any conditions whatsoever---even if the teacher is under the impression that their Undergarments are somehow "MAGICAL"!
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The important difference between the above mentioned little girl and the Sudweeks is that the little girl is a minor child who is not in the business of providing therapy to other people's troubled children.
Her business is private. Their business is a business. To the extent that a society limits its government to policing functions which curb the individuals who engage in aggressive and criminal actions, and conducts its economic affairs on the basis of free and willing exchange, to that extent domestic peace prevails. When a society departs from this norm, its governing class begins, in effect, to make war upon the rest of the nation. A situation is created in which everyone is victimized by everyone else under the fiction of each living at the expense of all.
--Edmund A. Opitz
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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On 2005-03-15 00:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree. I can't help but notice its the same people talking about this that were so against exploiting the Harris girl. That had such a problem with private things. It looks like the only private thing they were worried about is how it discredited everything Joyce Harris has waisted her time saying for four months. All of you filthy mouthed people who supported her are the same ones talking about the Sudweeks underware. Sorry, sacred underware. is there nothing sacred to you people? and you call yourself Grandma. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. "
Waaaa, here we go again! Poor Sudweeks being attacked. I am sorry but you have to put the whole thing of underware into perspective. Anyone who is hired to teach or care for children can not be seen by those children in their underware! I think it is against all rules morally, ethically and legally with consequences. You don't get it do you? Just like you really don't get the violation of the email. And how do you know who is posting what when everyone is anonymous, just like you! Maybe those against the email are against exposing underware because they are also PRIVATE! So I agree, is anything not sacred to the Sudweeks? Double check the postings... no filthy mouths from those against the Sudweeks, only those supporting them-pages and pages of it!
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Teachers do not show children their underware! And teachers are controlled BY LAW that they do not give out students' private confindential information. WHY CANT ANYONE UNDERSTAND THAT? IT IS SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE. If you have a problem with this girl's mother, fine. But don't be calling yourself a TEACHER and be showing your UNDERWARE, and don't be disclosing confidential school information. TRY TO GET IT!
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Why do happy people scare you????? :???: :???:
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Have you ever been to The Whitmore?
Perhaps a visit is in order.
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On 2005-03-23 15:34:00, Alana wrote:
"Have you ever been to The Whitmore?
Perhaps a visit is in order."
Just so you know... I made 3 visits! It wasn't until after the 4th and having my child home that many things made sense and the truth came out. So, be careful what you say. Things are very sugar coated and covered up during visits. It took months for things to surface and be told. I witnessed many things while visiting that didn't quite seem right, but I thought they knew what they were doing. I now know more that tells me I made a huge mistake. NO, this program was certainly not for my child. Had I know when I signed on the dotted line what I know now, I would have NEVER signed the papers! Glad you are happy with Tori's outcome, I bet there is sooooo much she hasn't shared with you. Mostly because she probably believes the Sudweeks were doing the right thing. You can not deny the therapy that my child did not get as well as the "education" that was promised. Why is getting transcripts such an ordeal and "up to Cheryl" how many credits you get?? Some of us are still picking up the pieces from the damage that was done from a year at the Whitmore. Again, glad it worked for Tori and your family.
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It's what some people are "happy about" that is scary. Read the posting about being right in Cheryl's face while posting threats to former students followed by the Ha Ha Ha Ha
Now that is happy people???? That is scary lady!
And YOU like your daughter being there? You are scary then.
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Tori's mom, why don't you post all the confidential information about WHY you sent Tori to Whitmore and let us read it? Think that would be OK? Think that would be the kind, professional, Christian thing to do to your daughter? Just asking.
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So Alana's going to "Graduation?" WHY?
Don't you live in the "SUNSHINE STATE?" Can't find anything fun to do there? Are you REQUIRED by the Suds to attend this event? Is that part of "the program?"
I know in the REAL WORLD, that once your own kid graduates from HIGH SCHOOOL, Parents just move on, PERHAPS may be a BIT involved in your child's college activities etc...and your child's High School becomes THE CHILD'S "history" and usually something the child REVISTS like MAYBE a 10th, 20th, 25th class reunion---THAT DOES USUALLY INCLUDE MOMMY DEAREST. Why are you and your daughter so engrossed in this girl's high school "experience" at Whitmore?" Seems strange.
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Corrrection: Class Reunions that DOES NOT
include MOMMY DEAREST
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when is this graduation? does it mean anything except that the kids contract is over?
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And Mr. Bean just said the same. What's the context? I mean, was it that she'd normally walk around in her underwear? Or just that kids would walk in on her accidentally? Or did she do it on purpose to show them "these are the sacred garments"? What's the story here?
Curioser and curioser...Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
Still waiting for an answer to these very good questions. Maybe the dude dating the daughter will ask them for us and get back with a reply.
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-I am a certified school teacher.
I have been LIED about on this site--it has been SAID I was fired from my teaching job because I abused my daugher. BOTH are lies. I adopted my daughter in 1998, and I have not worked since 1997...and I have never been fired PERIOD.
And I have never abused my daughter, PERIOD.
But the point I really wanted to make:
IN ALL OF MY YEARS OF TEACHING----NOT ONCE, NOT EVER did any of my students EVER see me in my underwear, PERIOD.
Showing students one's underwear is just not ACCEPTABLE under any conditions whatsoever---even if the teacher is under the impression that their Undergarments are somehow "MAGICAL"!
Maybe your students didn't see you in your underwear, but when I went to Whitmore with your daughter she sure had some stories to tell about your swingers' club. This includes you lounging around the house in nothing but lingerie, if anything at all. This wasn't her walking in on you, this was an everyday occurrence. You sent Zita there to "get rid of her" - I wouldn't doubt the abuse allegations. But, it hasn't been proven yet, so I won't go on with my (and others') suspicions.
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Maybe your students didn't see you in your underwear, but when I went to Whitmore with your daughter she sure had some stories to tell about your swingers' club. This includes you lounging around the house in nothing but lingerie, if anything at all. This wasn't her walking in on you, this was an everyday occurrence. You sent Zita there to "get rid of her" - I wouldn't doubt the abuse allegations. But, it hasn't been proven yet, so I won't go on with my (and others') suspicions.
You seem to have a lot of resentment against Joyce. How did Cheryl Sudweeks treat you, Lolita/
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Like shit. Read my thread. Joyce just pisses me off because she won't admit her problems when she's out there pointing out what's wrong with everyone else. You can't be in the spotlight when you've got skeletons in your closet - especially if those skeletons are numerous and completely naked.
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And Mr. Bean just said the same. What's the context? I mean, was it that she'd normally walk around in her underwear? Or just that kids would walk in on her accidentally? Or did she do it on purpose to show them "these are the sacred garments"? What's the story here?
I'll reply instead. I went to Whitmore for nearly 3 years.
She would normally walk around in her underwear, usually for about 3-5 hours after she woke up (typically anywhere from noon to 3:00). Anyone who went to The Boys' House knew this. No one accidentally walked in on her - she demanded we knock first, always. She would hold long conversations with the kids while in nothing but her garments. And occasionally, yes, she would prance around the place in them while kids were doing their chores, etc. She never did it to show them off; I didn't know they were supposed to be sacred until I asked her why the hell she was wearing bloomers in the 21st century. My guess is that she did it just because she was lazy and they were comfortable.
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Like shit. Read my thread. Joyce just pisses me off because she won't admit her problems when she's out there pointing out what's wrong with everyone else. You can't be in the spotlight when you've got skeletons in your closet - especially if those skeletons are numerous and completely naked.
OH, and readers are to believe what you post - after you admit you lied in a legal, sworn deposition, young lady; which is a criminal offense?
Sure, OK :timeout:
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When a person is under threat of being sent to an abusive place then yes. It wouldn't be the first time someone lied under oath for fear of telling the truth; even if she did tell the truth and was believed by the jury her mother may have sent her to another program.
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When a person is under threat of being sent to an abusive place then yes. It wouldn't be the first time someone lied under oath for fear of telling the truth; even if she did tell the truth and was believed by the jury her mother may have sent her to another program.
My point exactly. I no longer fear being sent back now, so you can trust that I am now telling the truth. I even suggested in that post that if you PM me and I see that you are trustworthy and not 'one of them', I will tell you my old handle from back in 2005. I posted many times back then.