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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Carmel on July 01, 2005, 08:31:00 AM
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Thats what this place is. So many of you are acting like a bunch of bullying little children. And you know what? Its working,
Who the hell would want to post anything personal or emotional anymore on this site for fear of being pounced on? Its like a sicko little club, you were either IN the program or you werent and if not then your opinion counts for shit....membership revoked. Its a bunch of sick little insecurity bullshit games and thats it.
I only see a big fucking circle of bullshit now where people used to have actual discussions.
I am sure Ginger gives two shits about what I think, but if people are going to be called out on the basis of etiquette issues.....she may need to widen her scope a bit. This IS an open forum, however there are many forums that can be open and still have requirements on the level of respect everyone should maintain. Ginger if you are upset about your server being leached of of, doesnt it bother you that your forum is becoming nothing but a big long list of fuck yous and eat shits and go rot in hells, not much more?
And everyone who is so protective about their status as a victim of Straight, YOU all especially should practice some self restraint and some respect so that new people might find this site and understand what happened and how to help.
But thats just not what its really about is it? Its only about feeling powerful in this teeny tiny little world. Its too bad.
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On 2005-07-01 05:31:00, Carmel wrote:
"Thats what this place is. So many of you are acting like a bunch of bullying little children. And you know what? Its working,
Who the hell would want to post anything personal or emotional anymore on this site for fear of being pounced on? Its like a sicko little club, you were either IN the program or you werent and if not then your opinion counts for shit....membership revoked. Its a bunch of sick little insecurity bullshit games and thats it.
I only see a big fucking circle of bullshit now where people used to have actual discussions.
I am sure Ginger gives two shits about what I think, but if people are going to be called out on the basis of etiquette issues.....she may need to widen her scope a bit. This IS an open forum, however there are many forums that can be open and still have requirements on the level of respect everyone should maintain. Ginger if you are upset about your server being leached of of, doesnt it bother you that your forum is becoming nothing but a big long list of fuck yous and eat shits and go rot in hells, not much more?
And everyone who is so protective about their status as a victim of Straight, YOU all especially should practice some self restraint and some respect so that new people might find this site and understand what happened and how to help.
But thats just not what its really about is it? Its only about feeling powerful in this teeny tiny little world. Its too bad.
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Even for people that were in the program their opinions don't count for shit by many here. You haven't been so respectful either.
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Carmel...your post was "pat" -does pat hand signal-
:rofl:
Also you are not exactly the most "positive to constructive conversation" person. Although its evident you think you are better than the rest.
You aint shit, girl.
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Watching and Waiting
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There has been a lot of 'I wish the forum was like this' posts lately.
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Yeah well fuck that. Take it as is or get the fuck out..This is the fucking internet, not your living room.
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On 2005-07-01 07:10:00, linchpin wrote:
"Carmel...your post was "pat" -does pat hand signal-
:rofl:
Also you are not exactly the most "positive to constructive conversation" person. Although its evident you think you are better than the rest.
You aint shit, girl.
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Watching and Waiting
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Exactly my point.
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On 2005-07-01 08:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-01 07:10:00, linchpin wrote:
"Carmel...your post was "pat" -does pat hand signal-
:rofl:
Also you are not exactly the most "positive to constructive conversation" person. Although its evident you think you are better than the rest.
You aint shit, girl.
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Watching and Waiting
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Exactly my point."
In that case, I concur.
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Look ya'll, this is what it is. I like to think of WWF as something like a Cyberian biker bar. We draw a rough crowd here and like to, as Bill Maher says, slap the issues around like a redheaded stepchild. It ain't gonna change the world. I never thought it would. But it does offer all comers a raw look at various opinions and views of the troubled parent industry.
That's all it is, no more no less.
I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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I'd like to agree with Antigen on the fact we draw a tough crowd and like to. I know for many of us we don't have thin skin. We are products of where we came from. If a person wants to know the truth then to know us is to know the truth about what this done to us. We sure aren't little angels. And I an soooo sorry if what I may have said may have been like me pissing on your cornflakes but take a long hard look and figure out why. Most everyone who post on this forum are " ADULTS " and don't have to have someone fight their battles for us.
A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper. He must free himself from the habit, just as soon as something does not please him, of calling for the police.
Ludwig Von Mises
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On 2005-07-01 05:31:00, Carmel wrote:
Its like a sicko little club, you were either IN the program or you werent and if not then your opinion counts for shit....membership revoked.
It is a "sick little club", Crmel. We were all in a very fucked up place, lived to tell about it, and when some asswipe who wasn't even there says that it was our fault for being there, and implies that we deserved the treatment we endured, then HELL YEAH I (and others like me) are going to pounce on his ass. Fuck him. He wasn't there, comes to a forum for survivors of it, starts flooding the place with his jive, says what he did, and then you get all up in arms at the response he provoked? Damn, girl, you are nuts. What did you think would happen. Fuck him, and as long as your defending him, fuck you.
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On 2005-07-01 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-01 05:31:00, Carmel wrote:
Its like a sicko little club, you were either IN the program or you werent and if not then your opinion counts for shit....membership revoked.
It is a "sick little club", Crmel. We were all in a very fucked up place, lived to tell about it, and when some asswipe who wasn't even there says that it was our fault for being there, and implies that we deserved the treatment we endured, then HELL YEAH I (and others like me) are going to pounce on his ass. Fuck him. He wasn't there, comes to a forum for survivors of it, starts flooding the place with his jive, says what he did, and then you get all up in arms at the response he provoked? Damn, girl, you are nuts. What did you think would happen. Fuck him, and as long as your defending him, fuck you."
The bigger problem here is that you didn't go back and read the statement, did you?
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What statement? Please provide a link.
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On 2005-07-01 13:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What statement? Please provide a link."
How can you be making a fuss over what I said, if you don't know what I said?
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On 2005-06-29 09:04:00, Paul wrote:
"From an outsider of this teen behavior modification industry, it is the complainers and insult mongers who who make me wonder if your enrollment was your own fault. Sadly nothing seems to have changed in your lives, the only consistancy is juvenile annoyance."
This quote?
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Yes, Paul, we were all enrolled in Straight for complaining and insult-mongering on an internet message board. Now run along before somebody locks YOU up. Run!
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On 2005-07-01 14:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"On 2005-06-29 09:04:00, Paul wrote:
"From an outsider of this teen behavior modification industry, it is the complainers and insult mongers who who make me wonder if your enrollment was your own fault. Sadly nothing seems to have changed in your lives, the only consistancy is juvenile annoyance."
This quote?"
I thought it was from a different post, but ok, on this one I am talking to those that insult. What is the big deal. Ok, it is not the whole forum, nor all that intended these schools, but I am addressing directly the people who are posting insults rather than meaningful content.
I would be interested in seeing the link to this quote, and the dialogue that created it. I am not sure if this is a content or comprehension problem.
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Check the first post of :
Who thinks PAUL should leave this forum?
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On 2005-07-01 15:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Check the first post of :
Who thinks PAUL should leave this forum?"
OK, found it. Damn that was funny re-reading that stuff.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 100#113541 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2440&forum=7&start=100#113541)
It is a comprehension problem here, not a content problem.
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Oh my, re-reading this ole thread is too funny:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 100#113541 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2440&forum=7&start=100#113541)
"one can visit a thread without reading it ..."
Surprising where humor happens, eh?
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On 2005-07-01 14:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"...Yes, Paul, we were all enrolled in Straight for complaining..."
Staff: Ok, now take off all your clothes and squat.
Newcomer: WTF???? Do what? What are you talking about?! I'm not stripping for anybody
S: That's just the druggie attitude that got you here! Now take off your clothes and squat!
and so on, and so forth for an indeterminate period of time till Newcomer splits successfully, graduates, turns of age or is pulled by their parents.
No shit, no exageration here. Some people did get sent to the Program simply for complaining. But we're not helpless children anymore. If you ever happen to meet a program vet in person I recomend you do NOT suggest that they did the necessary things to get themselves in the Program. Especially not in just those terms. It could be hazardous to your physical wellbeing.
Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist
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On 2005-07-01 15:51:00, Antigen wrote:
No shit, no exageration here. Some people did get sent to the Program simply for complaining. But we're not helpless children anymore. If you ever happen to meet a program vet in person I recomend you do NOT suggest that they did the necessary things to get themselves in the Program. Especially not in just those terms. It could be hazardous to your physical wellbeing.
Ginger, I do appreciate this post.
I do think if someone is hell bent on insulting another person, that eventually that person may say something back. Should they be inclined to handle the response? Or lash out even more?
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Regarding my laughing reading the posts, I should be clear, I was laughing aboue the discussion of reading the post, or not. It was funny, what can I say. Check it out yourself and tell me if it isn't funny.
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Do you think maybe you've done something to provoke these responses?
G: "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"
EB: "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."
-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4
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On 2005-07-01 14:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"...Yes, Paul, we were all enrolled in Straight for complaining..."
That is why I think it is important, as an advocate, to suggest the knowledgable veterans of thes horrible experiences organize and get those stickers mandated on the phones at each school, so that the kids can call out and complain to the advocacy groups.
Further advocacy could be done, I suppose, for children in regular schools or homeschooling who are threatened with behavioral modification for complaining - to teach them how to complain and protect themselves. I am out of my sphere of experience at this point, so that is all I can suggest.
I would hope it never happens to anyone else in the future. How can it be prevented, is my question?
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On 2005-07-01 16:05:00, Antigen wrote:
"Do you think maybe you've done something to provoke these responses?
Yes.
For instance if I mention voluntary to you, it is a sure way to get a nasty response.
If I mention getting accurate information on mental health issues, of each type of treatment, of any kind, I piss off a bunch of other people.
If I mention mental health advocacy, a whole bunch more get mad ...
Hence the signiture ..
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my crimes that landed me in straight were smoking a little grass and making C's in school. I guess I deserved my 15 month enturnment at straight. Did I complain? Hell yeah I complained; every fucking day until I was a broken 17 year old. After awhile, I had enough and played the game...
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On 2005-07-01 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"my crimes that landed me in straight were smoking a little grass and making C's in school. I guess I deserved my 15 month enturnment at straight. Did I complain? Hell yeah I complained; every fucking day until I was a broken 17 year old. After awhile, I had enough and played the game..."
Bummer, seriously.
Please don't take my suggestions for advocacy to protect those in the future as an insult. It is what I do, so it is a natural for me to recommend it.
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Who ?IS? Paul? Curious?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=9#114154 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10711&forum=9#114154)
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On 2005-07-01 15:51:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-07-01 14:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"...Yes, Paul, we were all enrolled in Straight for complaining..."
Staff: Ok, now take off all your clothes and squat.
Newcomer: WTF???? Do what? What are you talking about?! I'm not stripping for anybody
S: That's just the druggie attitude that got you here! Now take off your clothes and squat!
and so on, and so forth for an indeterminate period of time till Newcomer splits successfully, graduates, turns of age or is pulled by their parents.
No shit, no exageration here. Some people did get sent to the Program simply for complaining. But we're not helpless children anymore. If you ever happen to meet a program vet in person I recomend you do NOT suggest that they did the necessary things to get themselves in the Program. Especially not in just those terms. It could be hazardous to your physical wellbeing.
Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist
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Yep, from the moment of intake it's check your dignity at the door and then don't even think about getting outta here until you learn to LOVE THE PROGRAM (e.g. The Seed, Straight, CEDU, WWASPS) etc.
I don't think Paul gets it ... that kids are robbed of their dignity and their childhood whether they are/were forced into an anti-drug program or being force fed street drugs like Ritalin or Adderall by order of their parents, teachers or the courts.
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Yes, Paul, we were all enrolled in Straight for complaining and insult-mongering on an internet message board. Now run along before somebody locks YOU up. Run!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2005-07-01 16:07:00, Paul wrote:
"That is why I think it is important, as an advocate, to suggest the knowledgable veterans of thes horrible experiences organize and get those stickers mandated..."
Meet Paul: tireless, unpaid advocate for mental health and stickers.
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So that is what this is all about. Paul, versus the forum.
And of course confronting him, and telling him what he needs to hear is exactly playing into his hands, and giving that which he needs more than anything else.
Attention, and validation that his ideals are correct.
It's true that being a parent does not mean you can treat your child as you might wish to, but parents do it none the less.
When it happens of course children rebel. What right do their parents have to force any behaviour of choice from them? None at all. Where does child 'care' begin and end? Who is allowed to make such choices? Where does the childs 'rights' begin and end?
All good questions, and no real hard and fast answers. Unless you ask someone sufficiently motivated to give you a response of choice.
Like Paul it seems. And someone such as he, is simply dying to be asked, and dying to lecture you. It's what he does by admission.
If you ask the question, you can be sure he'll respond. He has to. He needs to. It's what motivates him. Don't complain when he does.
The best that you can do is offer him no credence. If you wish to, refute his words fact for fact. Don't argue opinion, argue the black and whites of your points, and if he chooses to not respond, or ignore your points? Do the same.
On this forum he is as equal as you. And his words have as much effect as you allow them.
Anonymous.
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And everyone who is so protective about their status as a victim of Straight, YOU all especially should practice some self restraint and some respect so that new people might find this site and understand what happened and how to help.
But thats just not what its really about is it? Its only about feeling powerful in this teeny tiny little world. Its too bad.
Round of applause. Very well said.
More people would listen, if the message was more palatable, and easy to understand.
Anonymous.
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=9#114154 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10711&forum=9#114154)
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On 2005-07-01 18:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-01 15:51:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-07-01 14:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"...Yes, Paul, we were all enrolled in Straight for complaining..."
Staff: Ok, now take off all your clothes and squat.
What is wrong with the concept of helping those that might end up with the same plight your went through?
Newcomer: WTF???? Do what? What are you talking about?! I'm not stripping for anybody
S: That's just the druggie attitude that got you here! Now take off your clothes and squat!
and so on, and so forth for an indeterminate period of time till Newcomer splits successfully, graduates, turns of age or is pulled by their parents.
No shit, no exageration here. Some people did get sent to the Program simply for complaining. But we're not helpless children anymore. If you ever happen to meet a program vet in person I recomend you do NOT suggest that they did the necessary things to get themselves in the Program. Especially not in just those terms. It could be hazardous to your physical wellbeing.
Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist
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Yep, from the moment of intake it's check your dignity at the door and then don't even think about getting outta here until you learn to LOVE THE PROGRAM (e.g. The Seed, Straight, CEDU, WWASPS) etc.
I don't think Paul gets it ... that kids are robbed of their dignity and their childhood whether they are/were forced into an anti-drug program or being force fed street drugs like Ritalin or Adderall by order of their parents, teachers or the courts.
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On 2005-07-01 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-01 16:07:00, Paul wrote:
"That is why I think it is important, as an advocate, to suggest the knowledgable veterans of thes horrible experiences organize and get those stickers mandated..."
Meet Paul: tireless, unpaid advocate for mental health and stickers.
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Tireless? Who said there was a problem.
Stickers? What they heck is this about?
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On 2005-07-01 19:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So that is what this is all about. Paul, versus the forum.
And of course confronting him, and telling him what he needs to hear is exactly playing into his hands, and giving that which he needs more than anything else.
Attention, and validation that his ideals are correct.
It's true that being a parent does not mean you can treat your child as you might wish to, but parents do it none the less.
When it happens of course children rebel. What right do their parents have to force any behaviour of choice from them? None at all. Where does child 'care' begin and end? Who is allowed to make such choices? Where does the childs 'rights' begin and end?
All good questions, and no real hard and fast answers. Unless you ask someone sufficiently motivated to give you a response of choice.
Like Paul it seems. And someone such as he, is simply dying to be asked, and dying to lecture you. It's what he does by admission.
If you ask the question, you can be sure he'll respond. He has to. He needs to. It's what motivates him. Don't complain when he does.
The best that you can do is offer him no credence. If you wish to, refute his words fact for fact. Don't argue opinion, argue the black and whites of your points, and if he chooses to not respond, or ignore your points? Do the same.
On this forum he is as equal as you. And his words have as much effect as you allow them.
Anonymous."
Wow!
Learn, choice, action ...
Such a difficult concept to grasp ...
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Staff: Everyone, I'd like to introduce Paul...
GROUP: LOVE YA, PAUL!!!!!
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On 2005-07-01 23:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Staff: Everyone, I'd like to introduce Paul...
GROUP: LOVE YA, PAUL!!!!!
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Is this a post that is clever?
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Have a seat on front row, Paul...
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On 2005-07-01 23:58:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:
"Have a seat on front row, Paul..."
OK!
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Pay attention to the person talking.
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On 2005-07-02 00:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Pay attention to the person talking."
Hury, I am going to sleep in a couple of minutes ...
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Wake up! No falling asleep in group!
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On 2005-07-02 00:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wake up! No falling asleep in group!"
What if it not interesting, do I have a choice?
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Think about a specific incident from your past.
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What if it not interesting, do I have a choice?
Sure you have a choice -- pay attention or have your head turned toward the person speaking. No falling asleep in group.
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On 2005-07-02 00:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Think about a specific incident from your past."
The past? How about the future, wouldn't that be more interesting?
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Have a seat.
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On 2005-07-02 00:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Have a seat."
OK, sorry for my indescretion in creativity.
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You had better be.
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On 2005-07-02 00:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You had better be."
OK, who speaks next?
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I am done for tonight, thanks for the laughs!
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Wow!
You are easily pleased. The gift of the naive.
Learn, choice, action ...
Such a difficult concept to grasp ...
Something you have yet to master.
Interesting how you seek confrontation continually. Are you trying to prove something to yourself? Or to others? You would better serve your own interests by applying that energy elsewhere.
This continuing self mocking style of yours proves nothing except to highlight your addiction, with the need to play the role of 'leader' a self ordained title if ever there was.
Equally interesting how you seek to castigate certain members because of their status within society. And in your case, it's any society that may bring them any positive attention. Attention that you crave with your continuing addiction to feed your own ego.
I'd suggest that everyone simply ignore you, in the hope that you would see a lesson in that and consider changing your ways, but perhaps it's better still to give you all the attention you crave and more.
Your the one who constantly seeks the attention Paul. So here it is. What is it you want?
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On 2005-07-02 06:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
Your the one who constantly seeks the attention Paul. So here it is. What is it you want?"
You are reading much more into this than is there ...
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theres no perfect way of knowing which direction we are going
theres no knowing where were going
or which way the boat is flowing
is it raining is it snowing
is the hurricane a blowing
Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
The fires of hell are glowing
Is the grizzly reaper mowing
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I think Ill defend Paul because everyone else hates him..I like underdogs!
So go fuck yourselves and shaddup...
That make it better Paul? :wave:
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On 2005-07-01 16:07:00, Paul wrote:
I am out of my sphere of experience at this point, so that is all I can suggest.
Sort of like when you made your ASSertion that we deserved being interned in Straight? You are a fucking self-righteous asshole, Paul, and no amount of backtracking doubletalk on your part is going to change that. Again, fuck you.
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On 2005-07-02 07:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-01 16:07:00, Paul wrote:
I am out of my sphere of experience at this point, so that is all I can suggest.
Sort of like when you made your ASSertion that we deserved being interned in Straight? You are a fucking self-righteous asshole, Paul, and no amount of backtracking doubletalk on your part is going to change that. Again, fuck you."
Again, read what I said. It is accurate, and applies only to those that provide insults instead
of dialogue. Read it, comprehend it, and deal with it if it bothers you. I am not backtracking on anything. It is pretty obvious what I said.
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You said it, I read it. More proof of your pompous, self-righteous jive ass bullshit is that not once have you tried to apologize for what is a very fucked up and insulting assertion on your part, you have only tried to blame us for "not comprehending" the wisdom of your words. Say that shit to my face and you may need more than a mental health provider to deal with the results.
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On 2005-07-02 07:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You said it, I read it. More proof of your pompous, self-righteous jive ass bullshit is that not once have you tried to apologize for what is a very fucked up and insulting assertion on your part, you have only tried to blame us for "not comprehending" the wisdom of your words. Say that shit to my face and you may need more than a mental health provider to deal with the results."
Who has the obsession?
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I don't give a flying fuck if I'm obsessed or not, I don't give a flying fuck if you think(and I use the term loosely) I'm obsessed or not, I'm fucking pissed that an asswipe like yourself, who was never subjected to the torture that was Straight, Inc., pulled his dick out of his momma's cooch and made a blanket statement that being sent to Straight was our fault. Care to address that issue, Dickhead? I didn't think so.
Stay tuned for more lame-ass doubletalk from Paul.
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On 2005-07-02 07:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
Stay tuned for more lame-ass doubletalk from Paul."
This discussion has become tedius.
Happy Independence Day weekend!
Over and out ...
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Time for some light therapy!
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On 2005-07-02 07:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't give a flying fuck if I'm obsessed or not, I don't give a flying fuck if you think(and I use the term loosely) I'm obsessed or not, I'm fucking pissed that an asswipe like yourself, who was never subjected to the torture that was Straight, Inc., pulled his dick out of his momma's cooch and made a blanket statement that being sent to Straight was our fault. Care to address that issue, Dickhead? I didn't think so.
Stay tuned for more lame-ass doubletalk from Paul."
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :tup: :tup:
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On 2005-07-01 21:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10711&forum=9#114154"
:wink: Who is Paul?
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=9#114154 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10711&forum=9#114154) :tup:
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On 2005-07-02 08:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10711&forum=9#114154 :tup: "
:lol:
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Well now, to all the negative posters on this forum.
You all seem to have eliminated any thoughtful
dialogue.
Negativity and insults are now in the majority.
With Ginger now piling on I guess it is complete.
Negativigy wins!
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(http://http://www.csonline.com.cn/publish/img/2002-08/19/081903rl.jpg)
Why don't you go sit under your light, dipshit.
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Paul is definitely a welcome guest here at Fornits.com. I am not a regular here because I say it like it is, just like Paul. Majority opinion doesn't and has never worked well for me ...in fact, you and Paul seem to be in agreement on this general fact even though you don't realize it.
Majority opinion got your ass fucking kicked day in and day out, and majority rule is what got you into Straight in the first place. Obviously a bunch of old farts wanted you to be there, wanted some excuse as to why they couldn't deal with you and so they formed Straight ...what a great way to get rid of you under the agreements of every one who had power over you as a child. All it took was three or four Seedlings, and some new blood, and Snap: there you are sittin on front row in your own piss and gettin spit on while your parents paid for conversations they weren't a part of.
So, yeah...in many ways...you deserved to be there for what you did and who you knew. But Paul, if I understand it correctly, doesn't realize although we might not have been the most angelic of children ... majority opinion probably started out something like this:
Those conversations: a few of the founders of Straight swore up and down that no abuse would happen in Straight like it did in the Seed. Then somewhere a couple of them were having conversations and agreed to be a bit more 'firm' with the children, that slackers would not be so much tolerated. School would have been allowed to begin with until some more people got to talking and got their minds into the mix about pyramid scamming in Straight. That's how we went national, I was in the Straight headquarters where it all had become national.
But anyways, around early '80 or before, later on down the line Straight staff saw all the abuse that was going on and they quit. Straight now needs staff. Hell, during my day we were pulling motherfuckers right off the street, no joke, who were no more than two days sober. After their first paycheck they did what you've done...they quit. We had to fire one bitch, Rebecca, for molesting to male patients, she was a Senior with a degree and no boyfriend ...the boys never complained. One of our staff got busted for cocaine use, I forget her name, but her cohorts worked with her there. A couple of friends from Saint Petersburg high, friends of another patient who came on staff later, they wound up coming on staff with no experience. It was fun watching them sleep in group as trainees.
Hey, we'll take the kids out of school and society ...and the rest pretty much goes just like that to the point where the humanitarian offices literally had to step in and start doing child abuse investigations.
Lots of times I got put on the girl's side, that never worked well cos I always stared at their crotches and tried to cop a feel or w/e. They were marathoning me in the bathroom. When I was in Straight and I got put in time out rooms for kicking and yelling there were a few oldcomer patients later on who cleared it with staff that I not be allowed to eat until I wrote my M.I.s. That went on for four days at one point. The next M.I. I wrote was so convincing that I got a double helping of lunch that day. I got hungry. I got hoodwinked, and my family, into Straight because my family didn't know how to hire a fucking babysitter. We were free to roam the streets while mom and dad worked and didn't communicate with one another. To say that it is my fault I was such an ass to land in a child chop shop is one sense of the truth, but it is a direct reflection on someone else's decision who had legal control over me at the time. There are just too many sides to your opinion, P., that you are not considering here. You sound more like a clever heckler than an informed individual with an original thought here. You should look back over some of GregFL's posts, they are alot like yours ...not very convincing at all. Of course, he's an admin so watch your back, nigger.
Some of the shit I did after Straight would be so much more deserving of the things that were done to me back in the eightees when I was but a lass. I probably deserve to get marathoned for some of the shit I say on here that gets deleted from time to time, too. lol. I don't see folks lined up at my door trying to take away my food when I say things like "hey, Paul, I fucked your mother this last weekend". I said that once to a guy named Matt who was doing milk steroids and powders. He was on setback and when staff heard about it they laffed, but stood me up in group and let loose for an hour or so ... not because he deserved it for picking on me but because that's the way Straight worked.
Majority opinion in democracy, in the theories of Mill, leads to tyranny.
Majority opinion is simply the society we live in, and you are welcome to speak your particular perception on critical truth as I have proven again and again but it is never without consequences from the majority. Paul, if I ever see you in my neck of the woods I'll bust open your nose open for ya', bub.
You are welcome to your opinion so long as it does no harm to the majority.
T.K.
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The weakness of a soul is proportionate to the number of truths which must be kept from it.
ERIC HOFFER, _The Passionate State of Mind: And Other Aphorisms,_ 61, 1954
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On 2005-07-02 12:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
There are just too many sides to your opinion, P., that you are not considering here. You sound more like a clever heckler than an informed individual with an original thought here.
I appreciate your post.
I don't pretend to know anything about these schools.
My comments have always been to protect one's rights.
The comment I made that others took to heart was directed at those insulting me. I can't control or explain enought times that I didn't apply that to all that had gone to these schools. I thought that was obvious, but apparently not. If I apologize for anything it is being misunderstood.
I'll make an assumption here, I bet that no one likes to be misunderstood. But, there is no going back for me, the damage is done.
Now regarding your comment:
"There are just too many sides to your opinion, P., that you are not considering here."
You are right, except if I was understood correctly, my opinion was directed to a couple of people hell bent on insulting me, when I was suggesting helping out those students in the future by organizing and helping out. I know there are many sides, and I don't pretend to know anything about these terrible schools. I have never stated that I did know anything. I stayed on Fornit's to offer any help as a mental health advocate. Nothing has changed. The right to knowledge and choice. I didn't think it would turn negative, but it did.
Finally:
"You sound more like a clever heckler than an informed individual with an original thought here. "
I don't expect you or others to follow every post on Fornits, I don't. But if one followed my posts from day one, it would all make sense. To have people twist my words and take things out of context and make statements on my behalf that I never said is tragic. But it happened. I am certainly no heckler. One would have to read all my posts and ignore others speaking for me. That would be too time consuming and I am not asking nor expecting anyone to do that.
I think a better solution would be to make this forum exclusive to current students, alumni, parents, current employees and alumni employees.
That would completely resolve a lot of the anger to those that are outsiders. Just ban us. It is ok with me!
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"Cum daemonae conversum...
Cum daemonae cavortum..."
-unattributed
Pardon me: I'm new to this whole message board thing.
Roughly translated that means: as long as you give him the negative attention he seems to need, he'll keep hanging around.
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On 2005-07-02 13:16:00, Paul wrote:
You are right, except if I was understood correctly, my opinion was directed to a couple of people hell bent on insulting me, when I was suggesting helping out those students in the future by organizing and helping out. I know there are many sides, and I don't pretend to know anything about these terrible schools. I have never stated that I did know anything. I stayed on Fornit's to offer any help as a mental health advocate. Nothing has changed. The right to knowledge and choice. I didn't think it would turn negative, but it did.
What you fail to understand, Paul, is that your brand of "help" sounds an awful lot like the same brand of "help" a lot of us are fed up with. We've had just about all the "help" we can stand. So please, if you want to help, just quit "helping".
Note I said a lot of us, not all of us?
I think a better solution would be to make this forum exclusive to current students, alumni, parents, current employees and alumni employees.
That would completely resolve a lot of the anger to those that are outsiders. Just ban us. It is ok with me!"
No, it's not all outsiders. It's just you. And you're more of an insider than you seem (pretend?) to think. God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.
--Voltaire (1694-1778)
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On 2005-07-02 18:49:00, Antigen wrote:
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OK, whatever.
I am bored anyway!
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Gin,
That's the one thing I've always hated about you admins and others who come here...you center those out that you feel aren't supporting your particular brand of 'justice' or freedom of speech. I personally welcome Paul as a heckler because he is right...you should weeeed out all the nay sayers and anonymous bidbads. I can't agree more with Paul on his attitude of health.
Paul,
You are not the first to arrive here and bitch about the fucking shit that goes on here. Carmel the gaping pussy has done it, Kpickle has said he doesn't like the disregard that gets posted here. So, don't feel like they are centering you out. They are merely calling you out and letting you know that they are paying attention to you, its their way of being insulting because they believe there isn't really alot they can do to get even with their true enemies ...and you are not their true enemy. Their true enemies' names is not your name. They know who their enemies are. That they falsely negate their own pathetic, written word at you is merely their further recognition to refuse to actually stand up and do something, beyond pussy protesting, against the enemy who abused and slapped them around - again, not you. They won't take their enemy to court because they are not attorneys, they are so frightened of the court systems because of the involvement of the courts in institution. Their shit talking and big words mean nothing except they still feel little inside.
So, it seems now that I am not the only one who believes that the shit that goes on here is for the garbage and bird cage lining. You who strongly feel that this site should be better monitored. One admin here said they got paid alot of money to edit stuff where I then proceeded to blow up this site with the same garbage others post, only I did it without restraint - the same as others.
I never trust what I see here, I've actually gotten together, for coffee or protest, with some of the folks, who post here, a number of times. They're the same in person as they are on here ...a bunch of shit talkers without any true action included in their intent to simply talk shit and worry some more and get others worried and then do nothing about their worry mongering. Completely hidden and two faced, not to mention lazy and pathetic.
It is unfortunate that for all that the admins 'get payed' they only sit around and talk smack. They'll ban you if you start saying the truth, and they'll ban you if you stand up for what you think here. Watch your words. Also, this is not the only political forum, which that's all this here is. There are hundreds of other child abuse forums free and open to the public. This is but one - that is not monitored - among better that you can feel free to check out if you want, you might do better and make livelier and more integrated contacts at those actually. There are boards you must submit an address to, and they will check you out; some even go so far as to make a phone call to you to see if you really want to get involved in such sensitive topics as child abuse and child rearing, they ask you to be more careful about what you say and no insulting is considered progressive.
The monitors Here have a few days or months of typing and computer know-how under their belts. That you can't see them matters none, they are not omnipresent beyond their abilities to edit the truth as they see fit, and make lame attempts to insult you further imagining that from beyond their inability to 'get on with their lives' they can keep others from reminding them that they can't do shit with what's been done to them.
"Fuck you, I HAVE protested, I am a Survivor, I have spoken with attorneys, blah blah blah".
Long, belittled, sad, and strange story made short: it is seen widely that this site should be monitored more closely. For some folks, Straight, or a forum, or lame words - is all they will ever have for better or worse. It it is where they learn.
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Whatever, PAUL! :wstupid: :rofl: :cry2:
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If you don't like it here, leave! What's with all the criticism lately over the general outline of the forum. I think this forum is great. :tup:
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Damn, Brian, you really had my hopes up w/ all that talk about inside info on St. Pete when Straight went national. I thought we might be getting some decent quality info that we didn't have before.
But, as anyone can see, you're not banned and neither is Paul. I engage in the discussion, but I don't edit out the opposition; only flooding, hacking and extremely obvious spamming. And I still refuse to follow you around deleting your posts where you mention your own name unless you feel like paying me for my time. And you don't (obviously) and so I have never been paid to edit posts.
you should weeeed out all the nay sayers and anonymous bidbads.
And that really is the perennial cold sore on your asshole, isn't it? Look, if you want to control the content, open your own damned forum. I'm not being facetious. You can do it. You're a very smart guy and this is not rocket science. Just fucking do it already! I'll add links to it at anonanon. The more the merrier!
T'is an ill wind that blows no minds.
--Syadasti
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Its the fornits way, baby.