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Open Free for All / Re: Post your favorite thing about programs
« on: October 05, 2010, 11:37:18 AM »
Anne, you really are as dense as Danny says you are.  Of course he has seen the internal operations of dozens of programs.  He has said so here.  How exactly do you figure he could have seen the intake interviews and the selection process used at programs without having access?  How do you think he always has the internal data about abuse and knows the details of legal settlements that are confidential and not posted on the internet?  He knows a lot more than he lets on to the groupthink mobsters here.  Besides, it's none of your business anyway.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: PUBLIC SCHOOL ABUSE
« on: October 05, 2010, 11:12:12 AM »
Yeah, I'm insane.  So what if people who post here make their living from programs.  It's honest work.  Whooter only represents the top-quality ones that are nothing like you old geezers had at Straight or wherever you went.  Times have changed, none-ya.

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Open Free for All / Re: Post your favorite thing about programs
« on: October 05, 2010, 11:08:56 AM »
Whooter knows a lot more about programs than the insular mob at Fornits.  He used four different programs for his kids and they were all successful.  I think Whooter knows what he's talking about more than you after having seen the internal operation of dozens of programs.  He has seen it with his own two eyes and all you have is Fornits testimonies from a bunch of whiners who did badly at their programs.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: PUBLIC SCHOOL ABUSE
« on: October 05, 2010, 11:01:59 AM »
So what if he does?  He has said very openly before that he thinks all kids would benefit from programs and he promotes them so all kids have opportunities to reach their full potential.  If a kid is off track and not flourishing, then he needs a program.  Whooter makes no bones about the ones he refers to.  They're great programs and every single kid is put back on track and they all go to college.  What's wrong with that?  So what if they were charged with "abuse" before and shut down.  The fact that they come back just shows they are needed.  The methods work.  Just because you view them as "abusive" doesn't mean kids don't need them.  One kid's "abuse" is another kid's "helping hand".  It's really up to the parents anyway.  You think they haven't read the reports online?  They have.  And they still choose to use those programs anyway.  Whooter sets the record straight when state agencies make misleading claims in their abuse reports.  He explains these events to parents and reassures them that it really is just the kids manipulating to get out of the program and not actually abuse.  He lets the parents know they shouldn't believe the kids until they have completed the program and are back on track again.  I think everyone knows that program kids lie.  Don't get mad at Whooter and me because we say it.  Kids that claim they are being abused can't be believed.  That's Whooter's message and any objective person knows it's true.

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Open Free for All / Max Is Being Censored
« on: October 05, 2010, 10:51:50 AM »
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
Reading about how yet another satisfied customer of a program has relapsed, committed suicide, or been thrown in prison.

See what I mean about the Fornits mob?  You people are really amazing.  After a kid has completed the program you take joy in it when they end up dead/insane/in jail?  Obviously if any of that happened the kid didn't work the program correctly and it's his fault anyways.  The program gives kids the necessary tools to succeed and if they don't succeed after the program it's their own fault for not using what the program taught them.

Like Whooter keeps saying, the people here on Fornits didn't complete their programs and because they're quitters they aren't successful in their lives and blame everything on some poor staffers or a program who just tried to help them.  He really understands the way programs work.  You people don't.  Obviously.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« on: October 05, 2010, 10:42:13 AM »
Oh, great.  I won't do what you want me to so you start with the name calling.  Why do you fornits retards think that everyone that doesn't do what you want them to is somehow "chickenshit"?

I already told you that my program saved my life, has its own subforum here on Fornits and has stopped operating.  what elese do you people want from me?  To admit I was "abused"?  Please.  What you call abuse and what I call abuse are two totally different things.

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Open Free for All / Re: Goodbye, fornits.
« on: October 05, 2010, 09:40:55 AM »
Awwww.  BP is crying again because I don't conform to the mob mentality and groupthink on Fornits.  The rest of you fornits losers just don't get it.  Programs are here to stay and people like me, Danny and Whooter are the ones who will make sure they're available for all kids that need them, which is probably almost all of them if you think about it.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« on: October 05, 2010, 09:37:52 AM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Maximillian"
In my program we were allowed to talk to our parents and friends whenever we wanted to.  The program encouraged us to have close relationships with our families even though we were separated by thousands of miles and my parents never came to visit me.  To make up for the missed visits the staff would do special things for me.

Again I'd like to ask which program this is.  You say that there is a forum dedicated here on Fornits to the place you were in and you tell these glowing tales of how wonderful it was but you refuse to name it.  If what you stated above is true, I'd like to check it out.  Who knows......it may just change at least part of my view of them because that's one of the bigger issues I have with programs - that they cut off communication with family and when it is allowed, it's monitored to make sure the child doesn't say anything negative about the program.

Yeah, sure.  Why don't I just give you my full name, address and social security number?  I see what happenes when you people get hold of someone's identity.  Next thing you will see is my picture on a porn site.  My program has its own dedicated subforum here and is no longer in operation, so I see no need to go into that any further.  Suffice it to say it saved my life.  Without it I'd be still using drugs every day and drinking every day or maybe back in a psychiatric hospital.  I learned that I can have slips and I still do.  Just because I  still do drugs and drink doesn't mean my program was not successful in changing my life around.  It was.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« on: October 05, 2010, 09:26:15 AM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "shaggys"
So according to Whoot the kids in programs are denied contact with their families to prevent them from being abused by their family members? What?

Well, Shaggys, you seem to following some other posters passion to misrepresent what I say.  

Lets say that a child has been abused by their Uncle Chucky.  This child has been placed into a program and is undergoing therapy and this information comes to light.  It may be suggested that contact with this family member should be suspended.  

I dont think cutting off communication with this family member would be abusive to the child, in fact it would be abusive to allow this child contact with the Uncle.  Think along the same lines as friends sending in packages.  I think we can all agree that as a minimum the packages should be searched or opened in front of staff.

But that's not what we're talking about and you know that.  We're talking about withholding communication from parents and other close family until the child "earns" the right.

Of course they have to earn the right to talk to their families.  What family is going to let their kid that's in a program for being bad dictate the agenda?  I mean, come on, Anne, what are you thinking?  Most of these kids did really terrible things to their families to get put in programs in the first place and then you want to reward them for that by giving them privileges like phone time home?

Look at Whooter's point objectively and stop trying to sick the fornits psychos on everyone that has common sense.  If a kid was abused at home by Uncle Chucky then allowing that kid to talk to anyone from home would be abusive.  That's why the kid chose the program-to get away from Uncle Chucky.  Plus, the kid that was abused at home is tougher than the other kids and can take it better.  Imagine if the kid was abused after the program.  He'd have the tools to deal with it and move on with his life, thanks to the program.  Because of its highly structured nature it prepares kids better with tools to handle the sexual abuse by a family member and when the kid gets sent home into the same environment he'll be better prepared to deal with that abuse when it happens again.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: PUBLIC SCHOOL ABUSE
« on: October 05, 2010, 09:15:50 AM »
In my program, which has its own subforum here on Fornits, we did have a few "abusive" staffers if you want to call it that.  None were fired because they were actually very effective.  Some were given a a couple of days off "to cool down" after some intense encounters, but they always came back.  I view this as a good thing because the kids need some continuity in their lives.  So what if a staff member smacked a kid to get his attention?  It's nothing our fathers wouldn't do in the same situation.  It's really no different than your mom hitting you with the wooden spoon, is it?  I think Fornits puts too much emphasis on this type of caring touch and tries to demonize all programs that use it and label it as "abusive" when nothing could be further from the truth.  Sure, a staff member might have to give a kid a good knock upside his head, but if it's done for the right reasons, because they care about kids, I really see nothing wrong with that at all.  Plus you know that staff member would be right there the day he was allowed back to work with a candy bar or a pice of cake or something to cheer the kid up and show them it was for their own good.  The Fornits Mob tries to paint this as "abuse" and it's laughable, really.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« on: October 05, 2010, 08:58:52 AM »
In my program we were allowed to talk to our parents and friends whenever we wanted to.  The program encouraged us to have close relationships with our families even though we were separated by thousands of miles and my parents never came to visit me.  To make up for the missed visits the staff would do special things for me.

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Open Free for All / Re: Goodbye, fornits.
« on: October 05, 2010, 08:55:45 AM »
Quote from: "shaggys"
I really hope that scheming shrew is gone but somehow i just don't believe it yet. She has proven one thing over anything else: Do Not Believe Her!
Only time will tell here. I'll keep my fingers crossed. Meanwhile I will try to wade through the river of danny tears.  :rocker:

Keep crying, loser.  You mine as well learn to live with it.  I won't do what you want me to do and you can't control me.

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