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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Maximillian on October 05, 2010, 10:51:50 AM
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Reading about how yet another satisfied customer of a program has relapsed, committed suicide, or been thrown in prison.
See what I mean about the Fornits mob? You people are really amazing. After a kid has completed the program you take joy in it when they end up dead/insane/in jail? Obviously if any of that happened the kid didn't work the program correctly and it's his fault anyways. The program gives kids the necessary tools to succeed and if they don't succeed after the program it's their own fault for not using what the program taught them.
Like Whooter keeps saying, the people here on Fornits didn't complete their programs and because they're quitters they aren't successful in their lives and blame everything on some poor staffers or a program who just tried to help them. He really understands the way programs work. You people don't. Obviously.
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maxine wrote:
"Like Whooter keeps saying, the people here on Fornits didn't complete their programs and because they're quitters "
I take great pridein the fact that I didn't quit I ESCAPED
And besides , who gives a rats ass what Whooter thinks?
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Whooter knows a lot more about programs than the insular mob at Fornits. He used four different programs for his kids and they were all successful. I think Whooter knows what he's talking about more than you after having seen the internal operation of dozens of programs. He has seen it with his own two eyes and all you have is Fornits testimonies from a bunch of whiners who did badly at their programs.
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Maybe he can get you back into a program Max. It sounds like you are 'reverting to your old behaviors'. If you keep your mouth shut you might get a candy bar!
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Whooter knows a lot more about programs than the insular mob at Fornits. He used four different programs for his kids and they were all successful. I think Whooter knows what he's talking about more than you after having seen the internal operation of dozens of programs. He has seen it with his own two eyes and all you have is Fornits testimonies from a bunch of whiners who did badly at their programs.
Now it's four?? I thought it was two. And he's just a program parent, but somehow knows the internal operations of dozens of programs??? Hmmm. And he most certainly did not see it from the inside. Only kids who've been incarcerated in them have truly seen the internal operations.
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Reading about how yet another satisfied customer of a program has relapsed, committed suicide, or been thrown in prison.
See what I mean about the Fornits mob? You people are really amazing. After a kid has completed the program you take joy in it when they end up dead/insane/in jail?
No, that's your misinterpretation.
Obviously if any of that happened the kid didn't work the program correctly and it's his fault anyways
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Sounds a lot like religion. They just didn't pray hard enough or have enough faith. ::)
Like Whooter keeps saying, the people here on Fornits didn't complete their programs and because they're quitters they aren't successful in their lives and blame everything on some poor staffers or a program who just tried to help them.
I "successfully" graduated from Straight and was miserable. I finally became successful in life after I shook off the mindfuck and began to think for myself.
He really understands the way programs work. You people don't. Obviously.
How does he have all this inside knowledge that we supposedly don't. Especially if he's just a program parent and not financially tied to the industry in any way?
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And by the way......you never did answer my question about why you changed the thread title. I'd still like an answer.
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Anne, you really are as dense as Danny says you are. Of course he has seen the internal operations of dozens of programs. He has said so here. How exactly do you figure he could have seen the intake interviews and the selection process used at programs without having access? How do you think he always has the internal data about abuse and knows the details of legal settlements that are confidential and not posted on the internet? He knows a lot more than he lets on to the groupthink mobsters here. Besides, it's none of your business anyway.
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Whooter really understands how programs work and we don't? We have mostly been through at least one of these places, Whooter hasn't. Anyway, whats to understand? Psychologically (and sometimes physically) brutalizing teens into obedience, it's very straightforward.
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Anne, you really are as dense as Danny says you are. Of course he has seen the internal operations of dozens of programs. He has said so here. How exactly do you figure he could have seen the intake interviews and the selection process used at programs without having access? How do you think he always has the internal data about abuse and knows the details of legal settlements that are confidential and not posted on the internet? He knows a lot more than he lets on to the groupthink mobsters here. Besides, it's none of your business anyway.
And by the way......you never did answer my question about why you changed the thread title. I'd still like an answer.
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Whooter really understands how programs work and we don't? We have mostly been through at least one of these places, Whooter hasn't. Anyway, whats to understand? Psychologically (and sometimes physically) brutalizing teens into obedience, it's very straightforward.
Do you have any actual evidence that this happened?
And, yes, Whooter really does know how these places work. He's the only one here that does. These programs have changed and evolved over the years. Haven't you noticed that he's the only one here who knows about when they're going to close, reopen, the details of lawsuits, mergers, the hiring of staff, the study data, etc? That information isn't public. You tell me how he gets it. You idiots are a month behind on all the program news which proves you have no "insider information" at all. But guess who keeps getting the story out there before it makes it to the news? Hmmmmmmmm. You geniuses are always late to the party and that's why he takes you apart on the details. He knows all the insider information that you wish you knew.
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He (Whooter) knows all the insider information that you wish you knew.
And all he had to do to get that information is become a child abusing criminal. Slavery was once legal too, doesn't make it right.
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He (Whooter) knows all the insider information that you wish you knew.
And all he had to do to get that information is become a child abusing criminal. Slavery was once legal too, doesn't make it right.
Lol. Now he's a "child abusing criminal" too? So just because he works with programs he's a child abuser? Sure, that makes a lot of sense now, doesn't it? Whooter has stated before that he doesn't refer to any "second rate" programs. He uses only the best of the best. Sometimes I wonder how your tiny minds just don't collapse on themselves under the weight of a thought. Oh yeah, that's right, you don't have any thoughts. You just repeat what everyone else is saying.
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Whooter really understands how programs work and we don't? We have mostly been through at least one of these places, Whooter hasn't. Anyway, whats to understand? Psychologically (and sometimes physically) brutalizing teens into obedience, it's very straightforward.
Do you have any actual evidence that this happened?
And, yes, Whooter really does know how these places work. He's the only one here that does. These programs have changed and evolved over the years. Haven't you noticed that he's the only one here who knows about when they're going to close, reopen, the details of lawsuits, mergers, the hiring of staff, the study data, etc? That information isn't public. You tell me how he gets it. You idiots are a month behind on all the program news which proves you have no "insider information" at all. But guess who keeps getting the story out there before it makes it to the news? Hmmmmmmmm. You geniuses are always late to the party and that's why he takes you apart on the details. He knows all the insider information that you wish you knew.
Then why does he deny having any affiliation with the TTI other than being a program parent?
And......by the way......you never did answer my question about why you changed the thread title. I'd still like an answer.
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And......by the way......you never did answer my question about why you changed the thread title. I'd still like an answer.
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He (Whooter) knows all the insider information that you wish you knew.
And all he had to do to get that information is become a child abusing criminal. Slavery was once legal too, doesn't make it right.
Lol. Now he's a "child abusing criminal" too? So just because he works with programs he's a child abuser? Sure, that makes a lot of sense now, doesn't it? Whooter has stated before that he doesn't refer to any "second rate" programs. He uses only the best of the best. Sometimes I wonder how your tiny minds just don't collapse on themselves under the weight of a thought. Oh yeah, that's right, you don't have any thoughts. You just repeat what everyone else is saying.
Yes Max, I hold the whole LGAT system to be criminally abusive when applied to an adolescent under duress. Many psychologists are in agreement with me on this point and have written books about it. Some of them are available on this forum.
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Yes Max, I hold the whole LGAT system to be criminally abusive when applied to an adolescent under duress. Many psychologists are in agreement with me on this point and have written books about it. Some of them are available on this forum.
Yup. If an adult wants to subject themselves to that newage lunacy, fine. But to throw a kid into it, especially one who actually is 'troubled', is disastrous.
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Anne, it's obvious why I changed the thread title. I thought this one was more appropriate for the discussion. Sheesh. Get a life.
"LGAT is bad!" I see nothing wrong with LGAT. It worked for me. Sure, it was uncomfortable, but with the guidance of a trained counselor it worked out just fine. I especially liked the one where you are "reborn" again and the person playing your mother (althought it seems like a real birth when it's happening) holds you tight and reassures you that everything will be better. Then everyone in the room smushes on you, cuddles you and offers affirmations that make you feel brand new again. I really enjoyed that experience and I cried the whole time. That one was after the second element I think.
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Rebirthing? Didn't someone ask earlier are we being punked???
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Tell me maxine. What's you stance on N A M B L A ?
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Anne, it's obvious why I changed the thread title. I thought this one was more appropriate for the discussion.
It makes it difficult to stay on topic when you keep changing them.
"LGAT is bad!" I see nothing wrong with LGAT.
Seems quite a few disagree.
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Landmark/ ... /index.htm (http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Landmark/landmark-cherries.dir/_XOOM/apostate/index.htm)
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcece ... /landmark/ (http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/l/landmark/)
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78649 (http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78649)
http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_articl ... l_lgat.htm (http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_articles/langone_michael_lgat.htm)
http://psi-seminars.pissedconsumer.com/ ... 44527.html (http://psi-seminars.pissedconsumer.com/flirtation-with-the-cult-lgat-called-psi-20090124144527.html)
http://www.caic.org.au/psyther/landmark ... testa1.htm (http://www.caic.org.au/psyther/landmark/landmark-testa1.htm)
http://blog.paultomlinson.net/2010/03/r ... -to-lgats/ (http://blog.paultomlinson.net/2010/03/response-to-lgats/)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~anco/mental/randr/jimmers.htm (http://www.xs4all.nl/~anco/mental/randr/jimmers.htm)
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North American Marlon Brando Lookalike Association? I have no opinion either way, but Brando was sure a great actor. His kids could have used a program come to think of it.
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Anne, it's obvious why I changed the thread title. I thought this one was more appropriate for the discussion.
Laws
1. If a thread already exists on a topic, use it, rather than start a new one.
2. Don't derail threads by changing the topic. Start a new topic.
3. No outing of home addresses or phone numbers without a person's consent. This includes linking to such information.
4. Post your topics in the appropriate forum, with an appropriate name.
5. Multiple usernames are disallowed if you use them for sockpuppetry. Sockpuppets will be outed.
6. No attacking other posters with insults (this includes driving parents off). You can make your point with civility. Responding to an insult with an insult is not a justification.
7. Impersonation of another poster or living person is not allowed, unless it is obvious parody. The standard is this: if a stupid person could mistake the identity to be that of the parodied, it's a violation. You may either agree to have such an account labeled as "parody" or have it deleted.
8. One unmoderated forum will remain (open free for all) however it will be opt-in, similar to the drama box.
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I think this was before the rules were changed, Anne. Not sure what the big deal is anyways.
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I think this was before the rules were changed, Anne.
No, it wasn't.
Not sure what the big deal is anyways.
Because you don't like the way the thread was going so you changed the topic. It's called manipulation.
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I think this was before the rules were changed, Anne. Not sure what the big deal is anyways.
I thought you were leaving?
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I think this was before the rules were changed, Anne. Not sure what the big deal is anyways.
I thought you were leaving?
You thought wrong.
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Max, Froderick was referring to your comment of a week or two ago in which you stated that you intended to stop posting here because you could no longer do so anonymously. A policy that was necessitated by your dishonesty in faking being blackmailed.
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Max, Froderick was referring to your comment of a week or two ago in which you stated that you intended to stop posting here because you could no longer do so anonymously. A policy that was necessitated by your dishonesty in faking being blackmailed.
It was more recently than a few weeks ago. This was from Oct. 3rd.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31308&start=0 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31308&start=0)
I'm sure this will come as good news to some of you, that I have decided that I am no longer going to post here, this is my last post, and I will not be responding to any responses in this thread.
There are a few reasons I have come to this decision. Back when I first got to fornits we were not required to sign in, and so I never really had a username. Sometimes I would agree with the pro program people, and sometimes with the anti program people. Not having a username makes it easier to post your true opinions without having to worry about how you will be perceived in the future, or be quoted indefinitely by others in an attempt to prove you wrong with your own words. Back when you could post as a guest without an identity, ideas spoke for themselves, and nobody really knew for sure who posted what. I thought that made fornits a very unique, and very enjoyable place to post, and read and respond to different ideas.
But since we have been required to sign in, and post under an identity, and now specifically only one identity, I find that fornits has dwindled down to a small group of people who spend more time attacking each other's character, and back story, and quoting them from months or years ago, rather than debating ideas. Having to sign in has caused a division in posters and cliques have been created, because basically everybody who posts here knows each other's position on most aspects of this industry. I think the requirement for everyone to sign in and create identities has resulted in a forum filled with ego battles and really has nothing to do with programs.
Another reason I choose not to post here is the realization that posting on fornits is done for ourselves and nobody else. I know people here like to think we post here for other reasons, but that's just not true. For some reason we are compelled to remain caught in the program past and talk about it, and I don't think I want to remain in that past, I really have nothing left to say on the subject. I've posted my feelings and experiences, and so all that left is to argue about stuff with people I don't even know. I think this is not a good use of my time, and causes unneeded conflict in my life, when it really is not necessary.
Yet another reason I no longer want to post here is the spirit of fornits is dying. I actually agree with the people here who say fornits was better a couple years ago before all the new rules like having to sign in, and now the rest that are so draconian it's just not that enjoyable to post here anymore. Being told to stay on topic, having my threads moved, this all shows me that fornits, as it was ,is now dead. What made fornits unique was that it was a place you could come and post any idea anonymously, no matter how outrageous, and people could respond however they wanted. This resulted in a lot of interesting confessions, debates, program stories, and connections. This is not that place anymore. I also do not do well under authority, something I"m sure other people here who have been in programs, jails, hospitals, can relate to. So the idea of an overseer deciding whether my thoughts are on topic, or rude or whatever, makes me not want to post here.
The last and most important reason I will no longer be posting here is I'm over it. I just don't feel the need, or desire to speak about my experience in programs which was several years ago. Thanks to forntis I have been able to talk about it, debate it, and hear other people's opinions about what i think, and learn about their experiences. I'm grateful for that, because I don't talk to people regularly in my everyday life about programs, or AA or sobriety.
I know that bad things happen in programs and I believe the people here who say this. But I also know some good things happen, my experience was not all black, neither was it all white. The experience was grey, it had its goods and its bads. I look back on the program with a sense of distant nostalgia, and question some things about it, but also look fondly on some parts of it. I know this is seen as perverse, by some here. Or people thinking I might be brainwashed. But this is just me being honest, without a political slant or agenda, I'm not trying to push programs, or shut them down, I just want to talk about what I saw and experienced, because it is out of the ordinary, and made a big impact on me. At this point I've said all I want to say about this time in my life, and I'm ready to move on. To do this I can't be a part of this forum discussion anymore.
I also want to be honest here, and admit another reason is that I think delving into this tumultuous past does not help with my own sobriety. I haven't been sober in a long time, I still use, and every once in a while try to stop and go to NA but it's hard, and I haven't been able to get a significant amount of sober time ever since I started using before the program when I was a teen. So to me NA is a good thing because the people are always welcoming, and they are still there willing to help even if you keep relapsing. So I don't feel the need to debate AA and treatment and stuff like that. I am about to attempt to get sober again will be returning to NA and see if I can pull it off this time. I think this is a big part of why I like this forum is the discussion about AA actually, because people are intelligent here and oppose AA I want to see if I can be convinced that it is bad, and won't work. But it doesn't work, it's not convincing enough to me, and my own experiences outweigh the criticisms I read here. I don't know if this makes sense, but I wanted to be honest. Since I won't be posting here there is no reason I cannot be now.
So I will be shedding this online ego that is Maximilian, and in doing show will be retiring from posting on this forum indefinitely. One last thing. I want to take this last opportunity to apologize to anyone I offended. I mean that sincerely. I think you are all good people and believe what you are arguing, and that makes you passionate and that is a good thing. I understand what you are doing here, and hope you keep up the fight. I acted immaturely here and insulted many people, I know that. I apologize for it. I hope my leaving makes you happy, if I have made you angry, please take solace in my departure. The program I was in, is closed. It no longer has kids in it. I just thought I'd leave that there for the people who keep wondering where I went. Where I went does not exist anymore, except in the memories of those of us who were there. I've enjoyed fornits and sharing these memories but now they must return into my head and there they shall remain forever.
I want to thank everyone for making such intelligent and impassioned posts, and that goes to everyone here. This is a unique forum and I hope that it can continue to be as successful as it has been in the past. Thank you fornits and everyone who made it possible, it really made an impact on my life and I am grateful. To prove that I am serious I am giving the admin permission to ban me, and ban me in the future if I should return under another username or IP. Goodbye forever, fornits.
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I think this was before the rules were changed, Anne. Not sure what the big deal is anyways.
I thought you were leaving?
You thought wrong.
Ok, it ain't no thing to me, I was just wondering...
So what, if anything, factored into your decision to continue posting?
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Look, Shady, that was satire. I explained that already. I don't really care about anonymity anymore anyways. It is what it is, right? I'm sick and tired of all of you coming after me, Danny and Whooter. What did we ever do to you that makes you so enraged? You obviously have a lot of deep seated anger and self loathing. I think it all boils down to the fact that my program saved my life and yours, well, let's just say, didn't solve your problems. Maybe Whooter can refer you to a modern, legitimate program to help you out.
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Look, Shady, that was satire. I explained that already. I don't really care about anonymity anymore anyways. It is what it is, right? I'm sick and tired of all of you coming after me, Danny and Whooter. What did we ever do to you that makes you so enraged? You obviously have a lot of deep seated anger and self loathing. I think it all boils down to the fact that my program saved my life and yours, well, let's just say, didn't solve your problems. Maybe Whooter can refer you to a modern, legitimate program to help you out.
:roflmao:
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Look, Shady, that was satire. I explained that already. I don't really care about anonymity anymore anyways. It is what it is, right? I'm sick and tired of all of you coming after me, Danny and Whooter. What did we ever do to you that makes you so enraged? You obviously have a lot of deep seated anger and self loathing. I think it all boils down to the fact that my program saved my life and yours, well, let's just say, didn't solve your problems. Maybe Whooter can refer you to a modern, legitimate program to help you out.
:roflmao:
me too... :roflmao: :roflmao: Yeah, Shady Doo, get some help.
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And......by the way......you never did answer my question about why you changed the thread title. I'd still like an answer.
Anne don't say this again, I'm warning you..... :whip:
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And......by the way......you never did answer my question about why you changed the thread title. I'd still like an answer.
Anne don't say this again, I'm warning you..... :whip:
I'm getting pretty tired of it too, Danny. Where's Whooter today anyway? Training for that race still? It's unusual for him to be gone this long when people are attacking him. How's business, Danny? Picking up yet?
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Look, Shady, that was satire. I explained that already. I don't really care about anonymity anymore anyways. It is what it is, right? I'm sick and tired of all of you coming after me, Danny and Whooter. What did we ever do to you that makes you so enraged? You obviously have a lot of deep seated anger and self loathing. I think it all boils down to the fact that my program saved my life and yours, well, let's just say, didn't solve your problems. Maybe Whooter can refer you to a modern, legitimate program to help you out.
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me too... :roflmao: :roflmao: Yeah, Shady Doo, get some help.
I was actually laughing at the sheer audacity of that last bit of Max's post, but.... :seg:
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Anne, it's obvious why I changed the thread title. I thought this one was more appropriate for the discussion.
It makes it difficult to stay on topic when you keep changing them.
"LGAT is bad!" I see nothing wrong with LGAT.
Seems quite a few disagree.
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Landmark/ ... /index.htm (http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Landmark/landmark-cherries.dir/_XOOM/apostate/index.htm)
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcece ... /landmark/ (http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/l/landmark/)
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78649 (http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78649)
http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_articl ... l_lgat.htm (http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_articles/langone_michael_lgat.htm)
http://psi-seminars.pissedconsumer.com/ ... 44527.html (http://psi-seminars.pissedconsumer.com/flirtation-with-the-cult-lgat-called-psi-20090124144527.html)
http://www.caic.org.au/psyther/landmark ... testa1.htm (http://www.caic.org.au/psyther/landmark/landmark-testa1.htm)
http://blog.paultomlinson.net/2010/03/r ... -to-lgats/ (http://blog.paultomlinson.net/2010/03/response-to-lgats/)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~anco/mental/randr/jimmers.htm (http://www.xs4all.nl/~anco/mental/randr/jimmers.htm)
Well, many women in the late 50's thought breast feeding was bad for their babies and finally got Doctors to prove their point or maybe it was vice a versa with, "Big Pharma in there too. Well what difference does it make, I am not on topic anyways. All because they felt their breast would become unattractive, it hurt a little or they were just uncomfortable having to feed a baby from their breast.
So know in 2010 every women I know breast feeds and have been for a decade or more.
LGAT's if done by untrained emotionally/mentally crippled staff can seriously hurt a child. This is what they were doing back during our time quite frequently, no one is arguing this point.
What we are debating is your point that LGAT"S are abusive no matter what, if applied to children and this is just categorically wrong. They did not injure me or others I know.
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And......by the way......you never did answer my question about why you changed the thread title. I'd still like an answer.
Anne don't say this again, I'm warning you..... :whip:
I'm getting pretty tired of it too, Danny. Where's Whooter today anyway? Training for that race still? It's unusual for him to be gone this long when people are attacking him. How's business, Danny? Picking up yet?
I an here an have been reading off and on. Its nice to see that you are helping to polish my image here, Max. I dont want to disrupt too much.
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Look, Shady, that was satire. I explained that already. I don't really care about anonymity anymore anyways.
Then why not name the program you attended?
It is what it is, right? I'm sick and tired of all of you coming after me, Danny and Whooter.
So what. Then leave, like you said you would.
What did we ever do to you that makes you so enraged?
Tell us we've lied.
You obviously have a lot of deep seated anger and self loathing.
Deep seated anger at the abuse that was heaped on us and I don't have any self loathing anymore since I rescinded the program way of thinking.
I think it all boils down to the fact that my program saved my life and yours,
Speak for yourself. It did nothing but damage me.
well, let's just say, didn't solve your problems.
Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
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And......by the way......you never did answer my question about why you changed the thread title. I'd still like an answer.
Anne don't say this again, I'm warning you..... :whip:
I'm getting pretty tired of it too, Danny. Where's Whooter today anyway? Training for that race still? It's unusual for him to be gone this long when people are attacking him. How's business, Danny? Picking up yet?
I an here an have been reading off and on. Its nice to see that you are helping to polish my image here, Max. I dont want to disrupt too much.
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No problem.
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And......by the way......you never did answer my question about why you changed the thread title. I'd still like an answer.
Anne don't say this again, I'm warning you..... :whip:
I'm getting pretty tired of it too, Danny. Where's Whooter today anyway? Training for that race still? It's unusual for him to be gone this long when people are attacking him. How's business, Danny? Picking up yet?
Whooter is here, we have been watching you take care of business. Business has been great, I hate to say this to loud because I have many friends who are not doing to good right now.
Just a little something I noticed while reading the posts today.
"Anne, reprimanded Whooter for saying "we", look at most of her posts she assumes "she" is talking for everyone here".
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Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
Dam, see that?
It is statements like these that lead me to believe you are not being very truthful with the readers here Anne.
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Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
Dam, see that?
It is statements like these that lead me to believe you are not being very truthful with the readers here Anne.
Think what you want, it doesn't change the truth that I was a pretty normal teen with no major problems.
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Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
Dam, see that?
It is statements like these that lead me to believe you are not being very truthful with the readers here Anne.
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I see exactly what your saying Whoot, she has not been very accurate with her story either. If you remember she posted she was the lightweight of the group, then she also posted that she was involved with hard narcotics (to assume smack/dope), well I asked her about this a few weeks ago and she ran from the question like it was the plague.
These hardcore folks here hate to be held down to answer, they squeal like a pig.
Robert, is the same way. Must have taken that fornits class together.
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Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
Dam, see that?
It is statements like these that lead me to believe you are not being very truthful with the readers here Anne.
Think what you want, it doesn't change the truth that I was a pretty normal teen with no major problems.
That's what they all say now. I won't lie. I was really screwed up as a kid. I needed that program and needed it badly. I had a family member, I won't name the person so don't ask, that did some things to me as a kid that weren't right. My parents recognized this and sent me to a program right away, away from the dangers of my own home and it was for my own good. While I was away I had time to heal and learn how to deal with my problems so when I went back home to the same situation I would be better off. This is what Whooter and Danny keeps trying to explain to you people here. When the family has big problems, it's best to send the kids as far away as possible to a program that can help them understand how to fit into the family better. When the kid comes home, they step back into the family like they never missed a day and everyone is happy again. The kid is back on track.
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Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
Dam, see that?
It is statements like these that lead me to believe you are not being very truthful with the readers here Anne.
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I see exactly what your saying Whoot, she has not been very accurate with her story either. If you remember she posted she was the lightweight of the group, then she also posted that she was involved with hard narcotics (to assume smack/dope), well I asked her about this a few weeks ago and she ran from the question like it was the plague.
These hardcore folks here hate to be held down to answer, they squeal like a pig.
Robert, is the same way. Must have taken that fornits class together.
Not sure why though. I suspect that they are angry at themselves because all the other people they were in the program with applied themselves and they have moved on to better lives and the only thing left for posters like Bruce and Anne are to blame the program and their families for their present condition. They both know they were placed into a program for a very good reason but they have built a 3 foot wall around the truth and are portraying a facade.
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Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
Dam, see that?
It is statements like these that lead me to believe you are not being very truthful with the readers here Anne.
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I see exactly what your saying Whoot, she has not been very accurate with her story either. If you remember she posted she was the lightweight of the group, then she also posted that she was involved with hard narcotics (to assume smack/dope), well I asked her about this a few weeks ago and she ran from the question like it was the plague.
Excuse me???? Citation please. I was the lightweight of my group of friends in high school. The ones who were doing heavier drugs didn't get sent away and led a very successful adult life after high school. The only drugs I did before entering Straight were pot, alcohol and unknowingly a quaalude. Long after graduating Straight I did get hooked on opiates after two jaw surgeries (jaw was locking open literally every day for about 5 years before insurance would cover surgery that fixed it) and a lumbar surgery. There is a difference.
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Not sure why though. I suspect that they are angry at themselves because all the other people they were in the program with applied themselves and they have moved on to better lives and the only thing left for posters like Bruce and Anne are to blame the program and their families for their present condition. They both know they were placed into a program for a very good reason but they have built a 3 foot wall around the truth and are portraying a facade.
I know no such thing. None of my high school friends could understand why I was the one who was sent away. My mother didn't think I needed it, but my father being the domineering person he was, steamrolled right over her. She hasn't stopped apologizing for letting him berate her into agreeing to send me away.
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Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
Dam, see that?
It is statements like these that lead me to believe you are not being very truthful with the readers here Anne.
Think what you want, it doesn't change the truth that I was a pretty normal teen with no major problems.
That's what they all say now. I won't lie. I was really screwed up as a kid. I needed that program and needed it badly. I had a family member, I won't name the person so don't ask, that did some things to me as a kid that weren't right. My parents recognized this and sent me to a program right away, away from the dangers of my own home and it was for my own good. While I was away I had time to heal and learn how to deal with my problems so when I went back home to the same situation I would be better off. This is what Whooter and Danny keeps trying to explain to you people here. When the family has big problems, it's best to send the kids as far away as possible to a program that can help them understand how to fit into the family better. When the kid comes home, they step back into the family like they never missed a day and everyone is happy again. The kid is back on track.
Blame and punish the abused, not the abuser. Why am I not surprised? Did this person keep "doing things that weren't right" to other kids? Why did nobody consider sending THEM away?
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I think the bottom line is that whether they needed the program or not, only good can come from it if you open yourself up and participate fully. As Whooter said before, programs are good for all kids whether or not they actually "needed it" or not. To close your minds to the awsome experiences of a program is to remain ignorant. Are you really going to try to tell us that if you went to all of the LifeSteps you wouldn't be a better person, even if you felt like you didn't need it? Let's face it, these programs are becoming more and more mainstream and with people like me, Danny and Whooter promoting them, we will insure that every kid gets a chance to be in a program. You few extremists can't change that inevitability with your little website and your whining.
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Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
Dam, see that?
It is statements like these that lead me to believe you are not being very truthful with the readers here Anne.
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I see exactly what your saying Whoot, she has not been very accurate with her story either. If you remember she posted she was the lightweight of the group, then she also posted that she was involved with hard narcotics (to assume smack/dope), well I asked her about this a few weeks ago and she ran from the question like it was the plague.
Excuse me???? Citation please. I was the lightweight of my group of friends in high school. The ones who were doing heavier drugs didn't get sent away and led a very successful adult life after high school. The only drugs I did before entering Straight were pot, alcohol and unknowingly a quaalude. Long after graduating Straight I did get hooked on opiates after two jaw surgeries (jaw was locking open literally every day for about 5 years before insurance would cover surgery that fixed it) and a lumbar surgery. There is a difference.
So you were prone to drug addiction, Anne. Your parents and the program rescued you from this path you were heading down and educated you on the dangers of drugs and alcohol. After the program you were free to make your own choice and you chose the dark path even though you knew it was self destructive. This went counter to your teachings and showed your parents were right in sending you.
As far as the jaw and lumbar I dont know how they are connected in to all of this.
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I had a family member, I won't name the person so don't ask, that did some things to me as a kid that weren't right.
So did I. I was sexually abused when I was 7 and the program, even the executive director, told me it was my fault.
My parents recognized this and sent me to a program right away, away from the dangers of my own home and it was for my own good. While I was away I had time to heal and learn how to deal with my problems so when I went back home to the same situation I would be better off. This is what Whooter and Danny keeps trying to explain to you people here. When the family has big problems, it's best to send the kids as far away as possible to a program that can help them understand how to fit into the family better. When the kid comes home, they step back into the family like they never missed a day and everyone is happy again. The kid is back on track.
Ok.....we ARE being punked.
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Not sure why though. I suspect that they are angry at themselves because all the other people they were in the program with applied themselves and they have moved on to better lives and the only thing left for posters like Bruce and Anne are to blame the program and their families for their present condition. They both know they were placed into a program for a very good reason but they have built a 3 foot wall around the truth and are portraying a facade.
I know no such thing. None of my high school friends could understand why I was the one who was sent away. My mother didn't think I needed it, but my father being the domineering person he was, steamrolled right over her. She hasn't stopped apologizing for letting him berate her into agreeing to send me away.
Bla Bla Bla , same old story. Just does not add up Anne, your perfect little normal life. Anyway, what difference does it make in the big picture, your doing good now and you seem happy. That is all that counts at the end of the day, right Anna Banana.
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The new Max is actually pretty cool. Shhhh don't tell anybody. O0
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Cuz I didn't really have any major problems to begin with.
Dam, see that?
It is statements like these that lead me to believe you are not being very truthful with the readers here Anne.
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I see exactly what your saying Whoot, she has not been very accurate with her story either. If you remember she posted she was the lightweight of the group, then she also posted that she was involved with hard narcotics (to assume smack/dope), well I asked her about this a few weeks ago and she ran from the question like it was the plague.
Excuse me???? Citation please. I was the lightweight of my group of friends in high school. The ones who were doing heavier drugs didn't get sent away and led a very successful adult life after high school. The only drugs I did before entering Straight were pot, alcohol and unknowingly a quaalude. Long after graduating Straight I did get hooked on opiates after two jaw surgeries (jaw was locking open literally every day for about 5 years before insurance would cover surgery that fixed it) and a lumbar surgery. There is a difference.
So you were prone to drug addiction, Anne. Your parents and the program rescued you from this path you were heading down and educated you on the dangers of drugs and alcohol. After the program you were free to make your own choice and you chose the dark path even though you knew it was self destructive. This went counter to your teachings and showed your parents were right in sending you.
As far as the jaw and lumbar I dont know how they are connected in to all of this.
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Exactly what I was saying. Any sign, no matter how small, that indicates you might do any drugs, knowingly or unknowingly, is a sure sign to a good parent that you should be sent to a program to arrest that possibility. Straight rescued you, Anne. Then, as Whooter said, just because you didn't like their methods, you bash them. How's that for gratitude, huh? I think Whooter has said before that as soon as he caught his kid stealing his pot and pills he sent him to a program right away. He knew the kid was going to self destruct and he stopped it cold. That's what a good parent does, Anne. What a bunch of ingrates here.
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Well, I've been shuffled off the main forum to the OFFA. Great.
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Well, I've been shuffled off the main forum to the OFFA. Great.
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It's not funny, Botched. This is how us pro-program people are treated here on Fornits. Stick us in the OFFA so nobody will take us seriously anymore. That's just wrong.
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It's not funny, Botched. This is how us pro-program people are treated here on Fornits. Stick us in the OFFA so nobody will take us seriously anymore. That's just wrong.
:seg: So how is that working out for you guys ?? :roflmao:
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So you were prone to drug addiction, Anne.
Why? Because I smoked a few joints and had a few beers? Wow.
After the program you were free to make your own choice and you chose the dark path even though you knew it was self destructive.
No, I was physically addicted to opiates after being medically treated for legitimate injuries. I didn't just go out and start using percocet for fun.
As far as the jaw and lumbar I dont know how they are connected in to all of this.
Read the explanation above.
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So Max's avatar went from "Organized Malcontent" to "PARODY", and it says he just registered this morning. So who is the new max.......... ( period or question mark? )
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So Max's avatar went from "Organized Malcontent" to "PARODY", and it says he just registered this morning. So who is the new max.......... ( period or question mark? )
The sad answer is that it's just plain censorship. I was locked out of my old account and I had to create a new one and when I did the overbearing admins here placed the tag "PARODY" on it because I was posting off topic even though I was being honest about my feelings and my own program experience. This is what happens in groupthinkland Fornits. If you disagree with the mob mentality here that all programs are evil then you get censored and mocked by the admins.
Anyway, no matter. I have gone back to my roots and wil only give this place the respect that I feel it deserves at any given moment. Right now you can all SUCK_IT. At least I'm honest, more than you could say for the people running this place.
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So you were prone to drug addiction, Anne.
Why? Because I smoked a few joints and had a few beers? Wow.
After the program you were free to make your own choice and you chose the dark path even though you knew it was self destructive.
No, I was physically addicted to opiates after being medically treated for legitimate injuries. I didn't just go out and start using percocet for fun.
As far as the jaw and lumbar I dont know how they are connected in to all of this.
Read the explanation above.
Jeez, you people here just don't get it. Look, Anne, Whooter is an expert on drug addiction. He knows what happened with you even better than you know yourself because your thinking is cloudy and you can't honestly examine yourself. He sees in you exactly what he saw in his own drug-addicted kid and himself-self destruction. You mine as well just own up to it that Straight and Whooter know what's right for you and you don't. Get over yourself. Your parents saved your life and you don't even recognize it.
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So you were prone to drug addiction, Anne.
Why? Because I smoked a few joints and had a few beers? Wow.
After the program you were free to make your own choice and you chose the dark path even though you knew it was self destructive.
No, I was physically addicted to opiates after being medically treated for legitimate injuries. I didn't just go out and start using percocet for fun.
As far as the jaw and lumbar I dont know how they are connected in to all of this.
Read the explanation above.
If it wasn't for programs, I would be dead, All programs aren't bad, I even found allot of value in my stay at Elan, It help me understand people and about good relationships with my peer's. I do miss allot of thing at Elan and some of the other treatment centers I called home. :peace:
Jeez, you people here just don't get it. Look, Anne, Whooter is an expert on drug addiction. He knows what happened with you even better than you know yourself because your thinking is cloudy and you can't honestly examine yourself. He sees in you exactly what he saw in his own drug-addicted kid and himself-self destruction. You mine as well just own up to it that Straight and Whooter know what's right for you and you don't. Get over yourself. Your parents saved your life and you don't even recognize it.