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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 29, 2006, 06:54:06 AM
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Oh Yeah!!! The axe is slowly falling upon HLA and Lenny Boy. DHR showed up with a Court Order yesterday for investigation into HLA, to hack into all files and to interview all kids. I am sure they will be there for a while. Boy do they have a job cut-out for themselves. I wonder how many it will take to dig out trash today?
Lenny Boy you have no one to blame but yourself! Shame on you for your greed and what you have done to the kids, parents and your staff! :cry2:
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Oh Yeah!!! The axe is slowly falling upon HLA and Lenny Boy. DHR showed up with a Court Order yesterday for investigation into HLA, to hack into all files and to interview all kids. I am sure they will be there for a while. Boy do they have a job cut-out for themselves. I wonder how many it will take to dig out trash today?
Lenny Boy you have no one to blame but yourself! Shame on you for your greed and what you have done to the kids, parents and your staff! :cry2:
This is righteous. Depending on how this shakes out, the model used to go after HLA can be applied to many, many other facilities and to NATSAP as a whole.
NATSAP has a LOT of explaining to do in regard to HLA. I hope these parents name NATSAP as a defendant in this huge lawsuit and bring this crooked bunch of crony capitalists to their knees once and for all.
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Ooh, this is gonna be crunchy.
Len, I personally, directly warned you this would happen. The writing was on the wall long since. You could have realized that you were toast and made an exit. You could have called it quits. But alas, you decided to keep it open even with a massively decreased staff, and now the combined weight of the authorities and the parents is crushing your head.
I find myself asking this question on these forums a lot: What were you expecting would happen? Did you think that the whole thing would just blow over and you'd be free and clear at the end of it? Did you think that somehow the government would be your guardian angel forever? Are you completely unable to comprehend the number and intensity of people who hate you?
For the kids' sake, I hope the next programmie in line for this sort of crushing is smarter.
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Ooh, this is gonna be crunchy.
Len, I personally, directly warned you this would happen. The writing was on the wall long since. You could have realized that you were toast and made an exit. You could have called it quits. But alas, you decided to keep it open even with a massively decreased staff, and now the combined weight of the authorities and the parents is crushing your head.
I find myself asking this question on these forums a lot: What were you expecting would happen? Did you think that the whole thing would just blow over and you'd be free and clear at the end of it? Did you think that somehow the government would be your guardian angel forever? Are you completely unable to comprehend the number and intensity of people who hate you?
For the kids' sake, I hope the next programmie in line for this sort of crushing is smarter.
I doubt this will be the case. These money-grubbing miscreants will line up to fill the breach when little Napoloen takes a digger. It's really all about the money. More likely than not, the next one will say "It's because that guy wasn't smart enough (or whatever)" and they'll step in.
Keep in mind also that these people know they're taking a calculated risk opening one of these private prisons for kids. They all know, sooner or later, the other shoe will drop and they'll be squeezed out, have to pay fines/settle cases, etc. They pay what they have to pay (usually from insurance), they pack up, move out and open in another state.
What these particular folks failed to realize early on, as evidenced by their pithy commentaries, is that they are dealing with a lot more than a "few disgruntled kids and parents." They are dealing with a well-organized machine with nearly endless man-hours (combined) to spend on the tasks at hand and that more than a few of us are incisive, insightful, dedicated and extremely resourceful and are able to bring to bear every legal remedy prescribed under law to achieve our ends.
It is precisely this, to borrow a term from our beloved president, "misunderestimation" that has led directly to the state of affairs now in evidence at HLA.
This experience has also created the template for future actions against other entities. Just what I personally have learned about the vulnerablities of these facilities through this process is enough to make me any abusive program's worst nightmare. And I'm not alone.
If the bout were to be called here it would be a technical draw I suppose, but our man has just gotten warmed up and HLA is punch drunk and staggering. A few more rounds will yield the inevitable knockout...
The only way to lose this fight is to quit or settle. I don't see either one happening.
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has anyone heard anymore about this from today?!
i am just DYIN!!!
thanks!
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This experience has also created the template for future actions against other entities. Just what I personally have learned about the vulnerablities of these facilities through this process is enough to make me any abusive program's worst nightmare. And I'm not alone.
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I'm curious if you can explain their weaknesses in detail for everyone's benefit, or if it would be a bad idea to do so on a public messageboard. (Seeing as how they have an unbelievable inability to learn from their mistakes, I'm guessing the former, but I could be wrong.)
Even if there is a settlement at this point, I don't think HLA has a prayer. Massive legal bills and staff cuts, plus a government raid? There's just no way. The wound is mortal.
My personal guess is that they're going to find lots of evidence of missing evidence- that is, document destruction, deleted files, holes in the records, etc. Kinda like Enron.
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Just curious...(and obviously incredibly hypothetical)
If HLA contacted you today and said "okay guys, we cannot compete with the damage you are doing to us on this site. What do you want us to do to get you to back off? We will do anything you ask to get in your good graces."
What would you ask of them? Short of closing down what, in your eyes, do they need to do to make things right?
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Perform an adjustment to the fabric of reality, retroactively undoing the abuse and humiliation that every kid incarcerated at HLA has ever suffered.
Oh, you mean what can they possibly do? Nothing. It would be like if Timothy McVeigh had said "whoops, sorry about blowing up that federal building, what can I do to make it right?"
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Just curious...(and obviously incredibly hypothetical)
If HLA contacted you today and said "okay guys, we cannot compete with the damage you are doing to us on this site. What do you want us to do to get you to back off? We will do anything you ask to get in your good graces."
What would you ask of them? Short of closing down what, in your eyes, do they need to do to make things right?
You mean other than start providing what they advertise?
I would say if HLA first acknowledged crimes/mistakes that had been made and apologized for them.
If they started obeying the law to the letter and stopped searching for loop holes, i.e stop avoiding things like state regulation.
If they stopped threatening to sue everyone who disapproves of them.
If they gave back the non refundable three month payment to the parents who were dissatisfied.
If HLA did that I personally would back off, hell given time they start operating like that and I'd even go to bat for them.
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This experience has also created the template for future actions against other entities. Just what I personally have learned about the vulnerablities of these facilities through this process is enough to make me any abusive program's worst nightmare. And I'm not alone.
:tup:
I'm curious if you can explain their weaknesses in detail for everyone's benefit, or if it would be a bad idea to do so on a public messageboard. (Seeing as how they have an unbelievable inability to learn from their mistakes, I'm guessing the former, but I could be wrong.)
Even if there is a settlement at this point, I don't think HLA has a prayer. Massive legal bills and staff cuts, plus a government raid? There's just no way. The wound is mortal.
My personal guess is that they're going to find lots of evidence of missing evidence- that is, document destruction, deleted files, holes in the records, etc. Kinda like Enron.
Well, currently I'm reluctant to reveal methods and sources, but I'll give a few tips.
Most of these places are operating outside of the law, in letter and spirit. If you familiarize yourself with the law, you can begin punching holes in their business practices. That's one part. The other part is reaching out to and cultivating willing sources inside the facility. In the case of HLA, sources are beating down the door to tell their stories. Why? You'd be surprised. It's not out of altruism, it's almost invariably because "Len fucked us over." But, hey, we'll take it.
Most importantly, never give up or give in.
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Just curious...(and obviously incredibly hypothetical)
If HLA contacted you today and said "okay guys, we cannot compete with the damage you are doing to us on this site. What do you want us to do to get you to back off? We will do anything you ask to get in your good graces."
What would you ask of them? Short of closing down what, in your eyes, do they need to do to make things right?
A public acknowledgment and apology. Closing down the facility. Money for the kids who have been damaged and vigorously working to shut down other similar facilities.
That would be a good start[/b]
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On my last day, I was on restrictions. We were cleaning out the old admin building. I came across lots of old files that Lee looked like he was trying to get rid of. I had the idea to try to say that I would take the files to the trash. I wanted to actully smugggle them out, but Lee was to smart and didn't even let me near them. I TRIED!!!
Sorry for the poor sentence structure,
-FLCLcowdude
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Report to the DHR the location, amount, and anything else about these files.
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has anyone heard anymore about this from today?!
i am just DYIN!!!
thanks!
Here's the information I have:
DHR went in Monday and was refused access to HLA's records and attendees.
Tuesday they came back with a warrant and were let in for their review.
I hear they have found much of what we have said they would find. Things are not looking up for HLA at this point. The wheels are coming off...
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DHR went in Monday and was refused access to HLA's records and attendees.
Tuesday they came back with a warrant and were let in for their review.
I'm thinkin' DHR should scan the hard drives with one of the residual-magnetic-field devices the FBI uses.
Oh, who am I kidding. Just run a standard file-recovery tool. It's not like anyone at HLA is going to know how to really delete stuff.