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Nothing that worked.

Higher risk of what, though? Program claim not to take seriously distressed, violent, or criminal kids; yet we all know they do. They may have been 'at risk' of getting caught with pot or flunking school, etc, but this population shouldn't be 'at risk' for death- homicide or suicide. The later, if policy is followed, wouldn't be an issue because the program would deny admittance of anyone with serious distress.

Let's compare death rates amongst program kids to death rates amongst juvenile offenders. While we are at it why don't we compare recidivism rates and the rates of drug related hospital admission.
submissions anyone?

This whole exercise is really moot. We can't compare anything until the industry is forced to report not just deaths, but all injuries, accidents, physical/sexual attacks, recidivism rates, etc.

The one that gets me- post-program suicides written off. I could see that if the kid went to a 30 day outpatient program, then went home and suicided; but 2 years of intense 'treatment' for $100,000, and they still suicide? What's wrong with that picture? How could anyone conlude that this is effective?

Sorry Debs you are misunderstanding my post. I'm not saying that this is definitely so, merely that for the sake of argument  me can make that assumption for the time being in order to facilitate further examples of how the troubled teen industry doesn't actually work.
The thing is that they lie out of both sides of their faces. I think it's illustrative to let them present the argument in their own terms and then hammer the shit out of them anyway.

So a child enrolled at a therapeutic behavioural modification facility is three thousand six hundred and forty times more likely to be killed in any given year than a child enrolled in the public education system.
This data included inner city Los Angeles, yes?

CCMGirl.

The reason you are getting such a harsh reception here, besides the proclivities of the anonymous army is that you appear to have totally disregarded the massive body of information on these very forums that says in short TBS/BMS/Boot camps/LGAT's are a really really bad idea. The state of the science is such that the very best experts in the fields of psychology, education, justice and criminology and sociology have all rolled up and said "This is a really really bad idea"

What's more even if it was a good idea, even if it worked (which is categorically doesnt) this kind of incarceration without due process, the process of thought reform and the very moral fabric of the profession is totally contrary to the tradition of individualism and liberty that America exists to protect and foster. Are you saying that only adults deserve these things because I'll tell you the Supreme court of the united States disagrees with you and I quote..

"constitutional rights do not mature and come into being magically only when one attains the state-defined age of majority" SCOTUS in Missouri Vs Danforth 1976

If you are going to start out on a compilation of filth and sleaze in the child abuse business you've gotta start big and no one comes bigger than the one and only Robert "Bob" Browning Lichfield, founder, former president and now "consultant" to the only business on the block to combine mass markets, in your face child abuse and the full range of services from teen kidnappings to forcible re-programming as practiced by the IRA and North Koreans.

Put your hands together for the Taifa or Teenhelp!


ROBERT BROWNING LICHFIELD!!!!1111!!1!!!oneoneone!!!11!



(the crowd goes wild)

but always with proper protection.

you can be such an utter twat TSW, seriously man get some boundaries ya know!