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The Seed Discussion Forum / THE SEVEN STEPS
« on: October 26, 2004, 05:00:00 PM »
7) Having received the gift of awareness....

use this perceived "gift" to seperate yourself from and pretend you were better than everyone else. Imagine and believe you have a power that most people do not have, the ability to read other peoples honesty and intentions.

Rule # 7, the cultic bastard definition of a AA step that really means awareness of your own situation.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Portrait of Art
« on: October 26, 2004, 12:51:00 PM »
Anon, where you in the Seed? If so, when and where?

Thank you.  BTW, you still in touch with anyone from the seed down In Ft Lauderdale?

Is that where you live now?

The Seed Discussion Forum / Portrait of Art
« on: October 25, 2004, 06:19:00 PM »

Am I to understand you may have graduated the seed 8 years past but if you wanted to remain one of the "cream of the crop" you had to ask staff for permission to date,and it better be a seedling, and there was a good chance they would say no?


[ This Message was edited by: Somejoker on 2004-10-25 15:19 ]

The Seed Discussion Forum / Talent Shows
« on: October 22, 2004, 01:59:00 PM »
December of 1973 we had a massive christmas talent contest. We also had one the summer of 1973. Instead of the village people, they did a take off on old do-op type bands, dressed up like Arthur Fonserely characters witht he sleeves rolled up, etc. Also I think we even had a little rock music played, singing, acting, the whole shebang.

No christmas religious stuff tho, there was only one religion openly condoned at the seed... the religion of the seed.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Portrait of Art
« on: October 22, 2004, 01:54:00 PM »
On 2004-10-22 09:49:00, cleveland wrote:

OK, I remembered one of Art's favorite jokes. When there was some kind of holiday, he's walk into the rap room where everyone was seated, and say, "Welcome, celebates! Er, I mean celebrants!" I laughed until it hurt.

Yeah, thats it, make fun of the poor guys carrying around the load whilst you got a girl 20 years younger (at least one) waiting. Further rub this in to these Celebate devotees by Singing the Whoppie song with your young bride in front of the group. Parade around the girls on the weekend in their bikinis at the beach and allow the guys to play touch football with them, but forbid sex...

Betcha a dollar I can guess what the  favorite nightime hobby was of male long termers.


Well, its no surprise you would feel that way. First you rejected everyone you knew before the seed then spent years and years surrounding yourself with them.

Of course they are the people you reflect on and think about, you grew up with them so to speak. This is normal.

what was the significance of the truckers shed, and does it relate to "Truckers" handle.

Thanks for the explanation in advance.

On 2004-10-14 12:23:00, rjfro22 wrote:

"Everything I learned in the Seed were positive life affirming lessons, I am  grateful for the Seed   for giving me these gifts at  an early age.  It is so great to hear from people who remember  the Seed for  the great work they did.  Art  and all the staff  were heros, working endless hours to help us get through some rough times. "

Rjfro22, were you on staff?
Do you currently live in Ft Lauderdale?

thanks in advance.

The Seed Discussion Forum / the higher power...or the making of a cult.
« on: September 14, 2004, 07:49:00 PM »
Click on the video link....

Catch the show if you get a chance...and then perhaps reflect on Art's claimed 90% success ratio of which he was still claiming recently.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Seed memories
« on: September 02, 2004, 01:33:00 PM »
I got a lot out of my divorce as well...mostly knowledge not to repeat my mistakes of the past. I also talk to friends going thru similar hard times and try to help them not make those same mistakes.

For you new guys, somejoker is my administrator handle here. You know me better by GregFL.

That is the reason I started the Seed discussion forum, To get this discussion out into the public arena. For so long, no one would listen, I wouldn´t talk about it, and when I did, no one understood or perhaps even believed me. My story was cloaked in drug use, and you see, to the general public whenever you say treatment they think you are an addict and you needed it. Most of us were not and did not.

what we went thru, how we were forced into a cult (or into "treatment" for those that deny the existence of this elephant in the room), forced to worship a human savior, forced to surrender our identity, kept in isolation and our physical functions monitored with food and sleep severly limited, forced into public confessionals and were told our very minds could be read and used against us, and then the broader story on how this cult influenced current treatment modalities and the drug war in general.

It is an amazing story that has not been told. It has been America´s dirty little secret.

We are telling it now.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Seed memories
« on: September 02, 2004, 01:24:00 PM »

not really, I am just relapsing into cultic mind control.    :grin:  :grin:

In all seriousness, you three guys in this thread are contributing much to this website. Thanks for coming here.

Cleveland, The seed started in Miami. Art´s boat was parked right near the Playboy Mansion and he was a fill in comedy act there...not a scheduled performer like he led us to believe. At least that is what the St pete times reported based on an interview with the playboy club. the first seed location was in a house in Ft lauderdale then into the compound that was sr 84. It has long been bulldozed for the highway expansion projects.

The Seed Discussion Forum / "Newcomer" to this site
« on: August 30, 2004, 11:08:00 PM »
People went to the seed from all walks of life. Good people, bad people, mentally ill, mentally strong.

We have people that are police, politicians, and drug addicts and on death row as graduates.  Seedlings were representations of all walks of WHITE SOCIETY.

What seedling weren't is the chosen people,the seed army, or any other such cultic dribble.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yet Another Observation
« on: August 29, 2004, 05:04:00 PM »
sigh...racism is really stoopid.

But on the bright side...brilliant comedy from Dr. Miller Newton a few posts back....absolutely brilliant!

FUCK! I had totally forgotten about "home" rap, that insidious torture used to make you feel small and emotional because you had not complied with the cult, to once again use your family as a weapon to beat you with, to break your spirit using the people that you loved, to make you feel isolated and alone, and then to show you a path out of your quandry by just complying and turning over your personality to the group.

Next up...the "oh how I missed my mom's cooking while I was a newcomer" rap, complete with descriptions of the wonderfull meals mom cooked the night the compliant ones got to go home, along with the wonderfull hugs and "I love yous" they got to express to their siblings that had been witheld from them during conditioning.

Fucking facist assholes.

[ This Message was edited by: Somejoker on 2004-08-29 14:01 ]

The Seed Discussion Forum / Day 12 - Moral Inventory - 8/09/75
« on: August 29, 2004, 04:51:00 PM »
bump..modification of prior post.

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