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The Seed Discussion Forum / Love-Bombing?
« on: November 08, 2004, 02:42:00 PM »
On 2004-11-08 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Dont' understand how love bombing took place at seed. Please explain if you saw how love-bombing actually was used at seed. it was more like real friendships with very close bonds. . ."

You just don't understand what love bombing is and how it relates to cults.

Love bombing is the automatic "love"  given to cult members in good standing. Now, in reality you cannot love someone just because they sign on a dotted line, are forced or volunteer for treatment or become a member of a group, that is not how humans function. You cannot "love" someone on Monday because they are a seedling in good standing and refuse to ever speak to that person again on Tuesday because they decide the seed is no longer for them.

So it wasn't love as recognized by normal society, it was something else.

What was it and how was it accomplished in the seed?

Love bombing is a tool to sucker people into cults and bond them to the group and to exclude them from the rest of society. Love bombing is typically utilized in group settings by talking about love, singing about love, publically showing your love for the group, and confessing to the entire group your newfound capacity for love.

In the seed it was done in the form of "love raps" where the normal threat of "coming down on you" would be suspended, people would take turns talking about how the group created love inside of them and crowd would be whipped into a love fest and often moved to tears. It was also done by repetiously singing love songs to our leader and his wife who most of us didn't even know. Furether,  It was also required and expected you told all seedlings you loved them constantly.

Love bombing was a primary tool of the seed.

UnConditional? NEVER in a cult.

Seedlings said thru clentched teeth "I love you" with contempt to former Seedlings  who attempted to try to have a rational normal conversation with them. and this is all they would say. You could have a 10 year "love" relationship with someone that would end overnight if they decided to move on away from the Seed. If you dared to speak with them and befriend them, your program would be started over.

Seedlings refused to associate with anyone that didn't walk the straight and arrow seedling path of expectations. When you love someone unconditionally, membership in an exclusive society is not a precondition to love.

But Anon, I suspect you already know all this somewhere inside where you refuse to go because it would cause you to critically examine the processes you devoted your life to. You are coloring your past experience with the lens of someone who wants to believe the Seed was something different than it really was.

The seed was a cult. The sooner you come to terms with that fact the better. Whether you feel it was a positive or negative experience in your life is an entirely different subject.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Physical Symptoms
« on: October 31, 2004, 10:49:00 PM »
On 2004-10-30 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"sorry- I think your wrong "anonymous" has made 68 posts.  More than one anonymous, my friend."

And I have privy to each and every anon post here, where they come from including the location and IP address, which "anon" makes each post, and how many posts that "anon" person has made.

Funny you would tell me how this website works.

BTW, it is now 73 posts.

Try again.

[ This Message was edited by: Somejoker on 2004-10-31 19:50 ]

The Seed Discussion Forum / Physical Symptoms
« on: October 30, 2004, 11:28:00 AM »
and by the way, your advice to "move on" could just as easily apply to you. You have made some 68 posts here.

Move on indeed.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Anniversaries
« on: October 27, 2004, 09:18:00 PM »
Anon, you were there when I was. You must remember the big christmas party.  I was already an oldcomer and you were on perhaps the second row?

Gawd how I hated that  place, especially at christmas! Every day I was straight in the Seed was like hell to me, not christmas.

If you want to talk, perhaps we know each other. My email is [email protected].

I will be out of town and unable to check this until monday.


The Seed Discussion Forum / Double Meaning in A.A. Traditions?
« on: October 27, 2004, 09:13:00 PM »
If AA is a cult, and elements of it are certainly cult like, at least it is a voluntary cult. Elements of AA, broken down to their core, are ridiculous to me, but if it keeps you outta the gutter go for it.

The seed was a coersive personality mind control cult. Two different animals altoghter. The two had far more differences than they had in common.

For those of you happy with your time in cults....well hell, who can argue with you?

Card carrying members exist of all cults. Shiney happy people and all....

"feel motivated"

to be excited by some element of the seed as in "that love rap really motivated me"


To wave your arm frantically back and forth in an exaggerated fashion in hopes of being called on.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Art Barker & the Beginning of the SEED
« on: October 27, 2004, 12:28:00 AM »
Im not quite what you mean by that, it is a little cryptical. But if you mean am I happy...yes.

My life isn't perfect but it is much better than most. I have endured a long ardeous journey and the negativity the Seed had on me early in life was just another obstacle to overcome.  

I did it, and I overcame every other obstacle so far that has been put in my path.

I DID IT. Not some dangerous peronality cult disquised as a drug rehab, not my family, no one but me.  I put the credit of my success, and my failures, soley on my back.

The Seed Discussion Forum / THE SEED SUCKS
« on: October 26, 2004, 10:28:00 PM »
Or maybe my brain can't recall it. Great info tho.

Robin, you the "chick" that Thom was alluding to? Were you on staff in St Pete.  If so, tell us about it.

You may remember my family as well if you were there in 73.  Email me at [email protected] and lets figure it out.


The Seed Discussion Forum / Art Barker & the Beginning of the SEED
« on: October 26, 2004, 10:24:00 PM »
Robin, I have a few quesions and a comment for you.

First the comment...If you were shooting drugs before the seed and after graduating no longer did, That is obviously a positive result and I commend YOU.

Now the question, if you are going to credit the seed for that, than who do we blame for Seed graduates that never shot drugs before the Seed and did so after?

Hint (a graduate friend of mine did just that and died).

If someone wasn't suicidal before the seed and shot himself as an oldcomer or after graduating jumped off the skyway feeling worthless and alone, who again is to blame?

another hint (true stories of true oldcomers and graduates).

Why did so many seed graduates in St Pete start using drugs again? Why is one on death row right now?

My point being is...Who really "saved" you?

final hint  (look in the mirror)
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The Seed Discussion Forum / graduate status
« on: October 26, 2004, 10:17:00 PM »
On 2004-10-26 15:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

  You will also find that people who were exposed to the Seed in their teenage years will defend the Seed and it?s methods.


I was, and I don't..and neither do many that were there, including many that were "long termers".  I guess that is a term we are gonna adopt on this board to describe those there for years and years in the 80s and 90s.

The Seed Discussion Forum / graduate status
« on: October 26, 2004, 10:10:00 PM »
And ANON, you are asking a lot of questions of us.  I think it is time you tell us a little about the religious cult you were in....tit for tat.

The Seed Discussion Forum / graduate status
« on: October 26, 2004, 10:10:00 PM »
"Hey Gregg being that you asked and do like and respect you even though we don?t always see eye to eye and Taking into account these are things I?m still working on."

your welcome and I respect you too, but someone else asked that.

However, you said "teenager who went to the seed will defend it"

Yep, SOME of them, and the ones that do all sound exactly the same...lets see..They would be dead without the seed..before the seed they were worthless and now they are great.  blah blah. Same old same old.

At least with the critics we all have unique stories to tell.

Another thing, many many kids went to the seed, got out, the seed left town and they really never had a lot of issues to deal with and NEVER REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE PROCESSES TO WHICH THEY WERE SUBJECTED TO. They only parrot what they were told so many years ago, that they were worthless and dying before the seed and now that is not true.  Balderdash I say!

Further, I think that you can justify all day long why at age 30  8 years after graduating a drug rehab you need permission to date, to marry and to go to a concert, why people are dressing like the leader and claiming he can read minds, and asking permission to get a job or go to school,but to the rest of the world it sounds creepy and cultic...because it is.

But I still respect those that support it even if sometimes it is hard for me to understand. I do try very hard to put myself in your place when some long termer or supporter posts tho.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / graduate status
« on: October 26, 2004, 05:41:00 PM »
On 2004-10-26 14:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

To be fair to the Seed it was common to be friends with people from both sides of the socio economic coin. Problems were usually a result of personality conflicts (few and far between).


Sure, as long as they were seedlings...

Outsiders were feared and scorned as "not aware" and dangerous.

[ This Message was edited by: Somejoker on 2004-10-26 14:42 ]

The Seed Discussion Forum / graduate status
« on: October 26, 2004, 05:05:00 PM »
And anon # 2, there was no "SEED SCHOOL". Please stop using that term.

The Seed was a personality cult disquised as a drug rehabilitation program. NOT A SCHOOL.

Thank you

The Seed Discussion Forum / graduate status
« on: October 26, 2004, 05:03:00 PM »
Hey anon, sound like you are "justifying".


Serious, you are citing the justifications for emotional and physical control over people an exclusive group maintains ignoring the obvious real reasons cults maintain tight control..


[ This Message was edited by: Somejoker on 2004-10-26 14:04 ]

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