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The Seed Discussion Forum / The Common Denominator
« on: December 30, 2004, 11:37:00 AM »
Wow that site just gave me the chills!! KHK is a clone of the seed. And $22,000.00!!!! Wow!!

The Seed Discussion Forum / The kids are alright?
« on: December 28, 2004, 10:39:00 AM »
Right on Greg!!
Only with my own kids can I say that constant communication and being involved in their lives and knowing when something was not right is how I parented. They challenged me but drugs were not an issue with them.
When I was a kid back in the early 70's both my parents were oblivous to me, the people I hung around with etc. Not that they were not loving parents but they were not educated or prepared for the drug culture that was escalating at that time.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Thank goodness Christmas is over
« on: December 26, 2004, 10:41:00 AM »
The true meaning of Christmas actually lasts 12 days long beginning Dec 25th and ending Jan 6th the epiphany. Secular Christmas and materialism may be over. The meaninglessness of it all...I am glad is over.
So continue to have a Merry Christmas for the Heavens are still rejoicing!!!

You are did I forget the straight part? Man, that was a long time ago!!

The Seed Discussion Forum / Happy Holidays
« on: December 23, 2004, 09:48:00 PM »
Actually us chicks couldn't really hang out much less talk with a guy so no I do not remember your brothers. Pam rings a bell but a face does not come to mind.
So you were really young when you became a part of the seed thru your brothers but did you ever attend the program? How are your brothers today?
Pittsburgh is about 2 hours from me...and I moved here about 1 1/2 years ago. Going thru my 2nd winter here already.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Gratitude
« on: December 23, 2004, 09:45:00 PM »
Yes, I do have alot to be thankful for also. I have two children 21 and 19 both live in Florida. My daughter recently got married (21 yr old) and my son lives on his own with a roommate in Gainesville. Both have never done drugs...but they do drink. Nor do they smoke cigarettes. At a very young age I told them about me and the seed and had warned them about peer pressure etc.
I am not saying they did not challenge me in their teen years but at least drugs were not an issue. They are very responsible, good, decent people.
And I have a wonderful husband of 15 years...and a wonderful family. God is very important in my life and I am very grateful to Him for the life I have today. Good or Bad we wouldn't be the people we are today if not for the seed. In many ways it did help me... I had to mature and learn about things that the majority of 13 year olds did not. Without the seed my life would not be this one...fate and destiny are written in the book of life. So with that...I am happy and satisfied with me...what more could I ask for.
To dwell on where I would be if not for the seed
is not worth the is short enough!!

"We sing Jingle Bells because every day it seems like Christmas"
Was that it? It just came to me the other day listening to Christmas music.
I remember one of the open old man wanted to know what we yelled out at the end of the meetings. They couldn't understand it.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Happy Holidays
« on: December 22, 2004, 06:53:00 PM »
It is true...I have not thought of the Seed or details of it for years and years. When I stopped going I put it all behind me. Then all of a sudden last week I couldn't sleep and "boom"
the seed pops into my mind. Then I thought I wonder what is on the web about it? That is how I found this site.
In fact I had forgotten that we sang Jingle Bells and whenever I hear Jingle Bells I never thought of the seed. And the hokey pokey song...again the joke that Ft Lauderdale made didn't even connect that yea we sang and danced to the stupid song...outside during our exercises!!  Then as I began reading through all the comments...things began to trigger off memories. I know that I met some very good people in the seed... funny I say good because we were all put in there because we were bad!! I do think of them quite often and wish I could some how get in touch with them.
I know I had dreamt of the seed over the years especially in the beginning about being put back in the front row. It was a nightmare actually!! And Honestly I never knew that the govenment stopped funding because of the brainwashing tactics...I stopped going in 1975 as an oldtimer.
And now when I read all this stuff about the Seed and mind control etc it pisses me off!! My parents had no fact I just talked to them about this site the other day and what I found out and they said that they would do it again if they had to. Thank God I'm not a kid anymore...but more unbelievable is that I get put in the seed for smoking pot and drinking a little and my brothers a few years later are doing cocaine and they don't get thrown in there.
Yes, I am venting and that is what this forum is about I guess.
Please tell me how did this forum come to be? Who was on 84 in 1973? I remember at 400pm the guys and chicks had there own private rap sessions. We were allowed to smoke on the much money did Art make from the seed? Anybody know? Yes I am rambling...but thanks for listening.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Happy Holidays
« on: December 22, 2004, 01:50:00 PM »
I moved to a small country farm town almost on the border of trafficlights, no traffic!!
I do love it here!!
Yes I do plan on speaking my's about time I can do that now.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Happy Holidays
« on: December 21, 2004, 10:36:00 PM »
Wally Gator,

Thank you for your welcome!! I never knew there was a seed program in Cleveland till I read about it here in the forum. Funny...I lived in Florida for 34 years and just recently moved to Ohio about 1 hour from cleveland. Anyway I have to say that having a place to vent to ...since no one not even my husband can understand what I went thru at 13 being in a drug rehab (a mind control cult?) Yikes!!...will be refreshing and may help me in the long run.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Happy Holidays
« on: December 21, 2004, 10:56:00 AM »
I remember the day my parents signed me in. I had no idea what to expect. I remember being stripped searched...thank God they let me leave my bra and panties on because at 13 you have hang ups as it is. But that freaked me out...I remember my father not being very confident in leaving me there but my mother was for it.
I remember the girl I had to stay with and she showing me pictures of her boyfriend who happened to also be in the seed. She was cool because at least she gave me cigarettes to smoke since my parents took them away from me too when they signed me in.
I remember saving the butts from others passing them down the row because you weren't allowed to bum cigs from anyone. I remember some of the songs...Jingle Bells, Zippity do da, The Seed song. Holding hands singing, saying the Lords prayer at the end of the meeting, screaming I LOVE YOU to people you didn't even know. Eating bologna sandwiches so much that to this day I will not eat bologna. The Guys...The Chicks..having to wear a bra heck I didn't need to wear a bra at that age anyway!!..I still have every damn moral inventory I wrote for Gosh sakes!! Why do I keep them for??
Libby the bitch...Suzie Connors the bitchier, John Underwood, Cliff, Pete ( I think he was the oldest member there at 28...1973)Claudia giving me a shag haircut!!! Art and Shelly...singing at the Orange Bowl...being able to go home finally...then back to school and being pushed around  physically and mentally abused by the DRUGGIES!!! "I don't want to talk to you" ARRRRGGGGG....Having the oldcomers in school " come down on you "lunch sessions that I dreaded having to go to lunch.
Did the seed help me? Yes and no...I went from one peer pressure to another type. Scared to death to say what I really felt. But when I finally stopped going after 2 years I had a freedom that I can't describe. Yes it curtailed my drug experience a few years but at 17 began drinking again...and doing more drugs then I did when I went into the seed. Did the seed save my life? would I have ended up in jail? these are the things I remember being drilled into me.
I do remember some kids getting yelled at and beaten down mentally...I said what they wanted me to say and did what I had to do to graduate the program. As in the game Survivor...I flew under the radar...I played the game!![ This Message was edited by: Fran on 2004-12-21 07:58 ]

The Seed Discussion Forum / Happy Holidays
« on: December 19, 2004, 04:29:00 PM »
Just coming on board...found this site the other day after waking up in the middle of the night and thinking about 32 years ago and the seed. Why I don't know, but I have been reading the discussions and it has brought back many memories. Some good some not.
I just turned 13 ...Jan 15 1973 when my parents put me in the seed...I smoked pot and drank alittle. Another mother told my mother and so on soon the whole block I lived on was in the seed...some kids stayed some parents pulled their kids out. I was at the Ft Lauderdale 84 building...I remember the St Pete, Ft Pierce, Ft Myers locations and visiting all of them at some time or another.
In some ways yes the seed helped me but in other ways years after I graduated I ended up doing other drugs because of the fascination of hearing so many stories of others getting high with speed and qualudes that I wanted to experience that too.It didn't last long because I got married at 19 and ended up marrying an alcoholic for 10 years.
I am 45 years old and I do drink socially and have never felt guilty about it but if someone offered me a joint the guilt kicks in and no matter what I can not do it. Yes I guess in some ways I am still programmed. Weird but never thought of it that way...
I do think of the kids I met along the way and wonder what may have happened to them. The staff members I recall all were on a power trip and had major egos. More of the women then the men...
Anyway thanks for this may help me understand why I have done some of the things in my life good and bad.
Merry Christmas to you all ...

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