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The Troubled Teen Industry / Charges Filed in Death of Brendan Blum, 15
« on: October 21, 2007, 10:19:13 AM »
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Wikipedia page on DBT

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Distress tolerance

Most approaches to mental health treatment focus on changing distressing events and circumstances. They have paid little attention to accepting, finding meaning for, and tolerating distress. This task has generally been tackled by religious and spiritual communities and leaders. Dialectical behavioral therapy emphasizes learning to bear pain skillfully.

Distress tolerance skills constitute a natural development from mindfulness skills. They have to do with the ability to accept, in a non-evaluative and nonjudgmental fashion[what does this mean?], both oneself and the current situation. Although the stance advocated here is a nonjudgmental one, this does not mean that it is one of approval: acceptance of reality is not approval of reality.

Distress tolerance behaviors are concerned with tolerating and surviving crises and with accepting life as it is in the moment. Four sets of crisis survival strategies are taught: distracting, self-soothing, improving the moment, and thinking of pros and cons. Acceptance skills include radical acceptance, turning the mind toward acceptance, and willingness versus willfulness.

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Do you think this has anything to do with why your son was ignored?


No, I don't, but it's a good question. I don't think even a tough adult could 'tolerate' the pain of a bowel infarction.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Charges Filed in Death of Brendan Blum, 15
« on: October 19, 2007, 06:45:04 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
PB Mom isn't getting tangled up in anything except exposing what happened to her son.
Do always talk about yourself in the 3rd person?


No, just too busy to log in. what about you, do you always remain anonymous?

I, Pitbull Mom, am not getting tangled up in anything except exposing what happened to my son. If I step on a few toes in the process, or piss anyone off, so be it.

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Again you miss my point. No committee or hearing or reach around by George Miller is going to do away with Nutsack. They didn't come off strong on this one because they full well knew it wasn't in their best interest to do so.

In its current form, as just a trade organization, NATSAP is pretty useless, since it only assures that a member program meets certain self monitored standards. and who knows if they actually check or require documentation for licensing etc. With some pressure from Congress, it could evolve into a useful body. It obviously needs board members who are not Program Directors.

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All this talk about effective legislation makes me laugh. There is no way to effectively legislate the safety of children. Never has been and there never will be. I've worked in two different companies and have spent time working under the auspices of five different programmes. All of them regulated to one extent or another and all of them had abuse happen.


Perhaps not, but legislation could go a long way in providing at least some protection, and ensuring a minimum baseline of safety standards. I agree legislation is not the magic wand, and needs to address much more than just the licensing and accreditation that NATSAP promotes. After all, my son died in a regulated, licensed and accredited facility that had a good track record, a well known clinical program and all that. I mistakenly associated licensing and accreditation with regulation, like many other parents. Hopefully the hearing and the media attention will get the word out about how little regulation and oversight there is in the industry. Legislation at least starts to address this, it's not a panacea by any means.

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Creating a comprehensive system of civil rights for children is in my opinion a far stronger way of protecting children.

This is a really good point, and is something I plan to pursue, I've already starting talking to some protection and advocacy groups about this. I hope the GAO addresses the civil rights of kids in programs. It shouldn't be any different than a hospital stay.  Physical abuse and neglect aside, there are all kinds of civil rights issues. ALL kids in programs should not only have a bonafide diagnosis and treatment plan, with parental permission for any medication changes, but  also access to an advocate not employed by the program. there has to be better oversight of any institutionalization of children for any reason.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Typical Utah crap
« on: October 17, 2007, 09:37:19 PM »
Stettler has been around since at least 1990, first as a licensor for the State of Utah Office of Licensing, then as  Director (since 2002)
Woodbury Reports Archives http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/1990/11/seen01.html

"Ken Stettler, Licensing for Adolescent Treatment Programs in Utah
Ken Stettler, in Salt Lake City, is in charge of licensing for Adolescent Treatment Programs in Utah. His number is 801-538-4242 and is the official source of information on the status of wilderness survival programs in Utah as well as several dozen other programs which work with young people"

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Facility put on probation, but free to take new clients
By Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 10/13/2007 12:55:43 AM MDT


A residential youth treatment center was cited on Friday for providing inadequate medical care to Brendan James Blum, a 14-year-old California boy who died at its Draper facility.
    Utah licensers placed Youth Care of Utah on probation, requiring the center to, among other requirements, retool employee training. Youth Care was not fined and it is free to accept new clients, though no more than five every 30 days.
    The disciplinary action was reached as part of a settlement between the facility and lawyers for the state Human Services Office of Licensing, which regulates Utah's teen-help industry.
    Licensing director Ken Stettler said he hopes Friday's action shows the state takes its watchdog role seriously. It comes a day after criminal neglect charges were filed against two former Youth Care counselors in connection with Brendan's June 28 death.
    It also coincides with a congressional probe into wilderness camps, which detailed thousands of cases of abuse nationwide since 1990. Of 10 deaths detailed in the federal report, five occurred in Utah.
    The cases showed a pattern of lax government oversight and medical neglect, with counselors assuming the teens were making up their symptoms.
    Brendan Blum's mother, Dana Blum, fears the same issues may have played a role in her son's death.
    Blum said she "feels" for the employees at Youth Care, but said the facility should have been shut down, at least temporarily, and the owners held accountable.
    "Nothing will bring Brendan back," said Blum. "But the bottom line is that when a parent makes a difficult decision to place their child in a treatment program, the management and caretakers have a responsibility to ensure their safety. There shouldn't be any tolerance for the death of a child."
   
   
    Sent to bed
   
    Blum said the coroner described her son's death as "violent and painful." An autopsy concluded that he died after his bowel twisted, cutting off the blood supply to his small intestine.
    Brendan had vomited and been suffering diarrhea all night, according to police. Instead of phoning the on-call nurse, per Youth Care's policy, counselors treated the boy with an over-the-counter medicine and sent him to bed, said Draper police Sgt. Gerry Allred.
    The next morning, Brendan, who had Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism, was found dead on his mattress.
    The on-call nurse, who was later interviewed by police, said had she been consulted, she would have advised sending Brendan to the hospital, said Allred. The Utah State Medical Examiner said with medical intervention, the boy might have survived.
   
   
    'Flu-like' symptoms
   
    Youth Care officials maintain Brendan complained only of "flu-like" symptoms.
    "We extend our deepest sympathies to the family, and we continue to work closely with Utah officials and law enforcement. But we are confident a criminal prosecution will be found unwarranted," said Kristen Hayes, spokeswoman for Aspen Education Group, which owns Youth Care.
    Based in Cerritos, Calif., Aspen is a division of the CRC Health Group, which runs boarding schools, outdoor education programs and weight-loss camps.
    For two decades, Youth Care has "delivered the highest standards of care," treating more than 1,300 children with behavioral and addiction problems last year, said Hayes. "All of Aspen's programs either meet or exceed state and national standards."
   
   
    Aspen's record
   
    Stettler confirmed Aspen's reputation, saying, "They've had a pretty spotless record."
    Three of four recent deaths at Utah treatment programs, however, happened at Aspen facilities: Blum's and two suicides; one in July 2004 at Island View Academy in Syracuse, and another in April at Aspen Achievement Academy of Loa.
    Stettler said the April suicide remains under investigation by law enforcement, but his own probe found Aspen wasn't at fault. The suicide at Island View happened before Aspen purchased the facility.
    Blum said she thoroughly researched Youth Care and Aspen and was never told of the fatalities.
    "If nothing else, I would like to see them create a searchable database so parents can review deaths and complaints and not have to rely on the subjective descriptions of licensors," said Blum.
    The Web site of state licensors has contact information for facilities and shows whether their license is in good standing. But for more detailed information, parents need to phone regulators, who keep only paper files.
   
   
    Sense of justice
   
    Blum has "taken heat" for enrolling Brendan at Youth Care, but she says research shows behavioral modification programs can work for children with Asperger's.
    "The real problem is there are not adequate community resources for kids with mental health problems," said Blum.
    Brendan was "erratic and unpredictable," and started acting aggressively at age 3, said Blum. "There were no consequences that were meaningful to him. You could take away privileges with friends, TV, or PlayStation. It didn't matter."
    Trips to her county mental health facility, school counselors and private therapists yielded no firm diagnosis.
    It wasn't until Brendan turned 13 and got swept up in the juvenile justice system that doctors at a local university diagnosed him with Asperger's.
    "They said he was a textbook case of high-functioning autism and should have been diagnosed at age 8," said Blum.
    Brendan had a "fine-tuned sense of justice. As his mother, I feel I need to make sure Youth Care is held accountable," said Blum.
    "These kids come from families that care about them. They're not just throwaway kids."
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Doesn't seem that they take their watchdog role all that seriously, considering how many kids have died.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: You Have Got To Be Kidding Me
« on: October 10, 2007, 07:53:24 PM »
Quote from: "lorrispickelmire"
Pitbull Mom wrote:

Survivors who have not yet become parents will never understand the complexities of parenting until they have their own kids. It doesn't come with a manual. I am an involved mom with active kids. I have NEVER met a parent yet who "gets off on their kid's suffering". I have never met a parent who just decides to send their kid to a hellhole. Wouldn't even occur to 99% of parents. A parent would have to be on the emotional level of Jeffery Dahmer to even entertain such thoughts.

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I am a survivor who was tortured in one of these programs, and I am the mother of a 19 year old son. You are either stupid or terribly gullible.

I am neither

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There are parents all over the place that get off on their children's suffering, if there weren't, we wouldn't need a department of the government set up for the protection of such children.  
True, but those aren't the parents we were discussing. We were discussing parents like myself.  To use your analogy, there are parents all over the place who love their kids, provide a warm nurturing environment, and their kids still end up with severe emotional problems, often due to mental health problems. If they didn't we wouldn't need child psychiatrists.

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My father is a sadist and a child rapist, so I know of which I speak on a very personal level.

I'm sorry for that. Mine was too, so I too speak on a very personal level.

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A parent who sends their child off without thoroughly investigating a facility and all allegations of abuse associated with them is culpable for any abuse that should happen to their child.

I'ld like to see your statistics on the % of parents that don't thoroghly investigate a facility. Most do. I did. The facility where my son died was clean, good food, mostly good employees, phones, was licensed, no reports of abuse, yada yada yada. That is no guarantee that an abuse situation can't develop.

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I will agree with you that there is no manual, but that is not an excuse for negligence.

I did not say that not having a parent manual was an excuse for negligence. What I said was that it's black and white thinking to say that parents bear all the  repsonsibility for everything that is wrong with the teen industry. Parents whose kids end up abused, or worse-dead, are filled with huge remorse.  Negligence is the responsiblity of the persons dishing out the abuse.  Obviously parents who knowingly put their child in danger are negligent, but I sincerely doubt that you have any proof that most parents who have put their kids in treatment programs did it knowingly. I'm not defending negligent parents. I'm just saying you can't lump them all into the same bucket.

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Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
::roflmao::
Kutz will have that data before the next hearing.

.....He better, it didnt make him look too good!!  I think we saw the last of "I'll take that back to the board" Moss...She should have stayed at the "Holiday inn" (was that the right commercial?)


the committe already has that information. i faxed it to them during the hearing. ::bangin::

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Holding parents accountable
« on: October 10, 2007, 03:38:13 PM »
kids blame parents. parents blame marketing or ed cons. Why bother? It does absolutely nothing to stop any abuse. Every situation is not the same.  There are legitimate cases of bad parents, saying that all parents are bad is just so immature and juvenile.  If your crate of eggs has one bad egg, you don't throw out the whole carton, you just toss the bad egg.

Why not drop the blame game and instead focus on the underlying issues and what you can do about it instead of finding entertainment over others' pain and loss. I don't see anyone making fun of survivors. Your situation with your parents is not the same as everyone else's. The parents described in this thread should be arrested for child abuse. Assuming that every parent has that same mentility is beyond ludicrous.

I know, as do my family and friends, and all the other people that were concerned about my son's disability, that I was not a deadbeat mom, and that's all that counts. I don't particularly care about anyone else's opinion.

What I'm doing to help get the abuse stories out is: radio interviews about the GAO hearing relative to my son's death and other cases of neglect and abuse, sending press releases, contacting members of the committee with answers to some of their questions, pressuring Utah Office of Licensing to issue sanctions in my son's death, getting his story out, filing complaints with JHACO and NATSAP.  For the last week, my fax machine has been humming, alerting the committe members to survivor's stories, giving the committe members ideas on questions they should ask, etc etc.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Holding parents accountable
« on: October 10, 2007, 12:40:52 PM »
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
Well whenever the who sounds in I know I'm on the right track.

Congrats Pitbull Mom and Buzzkill you both fail horridly based on association via the who.


I have absolutely no association with The Who.

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Full Committee and Subcommittee Schedule

Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Full Committee

Hearing on "Cases of Child Neglect and Abuse at Private Residential Treatment Facilities," scheduled at 10:30 a.m. in room 2175 Rayburn H.O.B.

Witnesses:

Greg Kutz
Managing Director
Forensic Audits and Special Investigations
Government Accountability Office

Cynthia Harvey
Mother of Child Victim

Bob Bacon
Father of Child Victim

Paul Lewis
Father of Child Victim

Allison Pinto
Research Psychologist &
Assistant Research Professor
Louis de la Parte Florida Medical Health Institute
University of South Florida

Jan Moss
Executive Director
National Association of
Therapeutic Schools and Programs

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The Troubled Teen Industry / GAO Hearing???
« on: October 09, 2007, 01:56:29 PM »
Full Committee and Subcommittee Schedule

Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Full Committee

Hearing on "Cases of Child Neglect and Abuse at Private Residential Treatment Facilities," scheduled at 10:30 a.m. in room 2175 Rayburn H.O.B.

Witnesses:

Greg Kutz
Managing Director
Forensic Audits and Special Investigations
Government Accountability Office

Cynthia Harvey
Mother of Child Victim

Bob Bacon
Father of Child Victim

Paul Lewis
Father of Child Victim

Allison Pinto
Research Psychologist &
Assistant Research Professor
Louis de la Parte Florida Medical Health Institute
University of South Florida

Jan Moss
Executive Director
National Association of
Therapeutic Schools and Programs

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Holding parents accountable
« on: October 09, 2007, 01:31:25 PM »
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Obviously you haven't done much research. Most of Spring Creek Lodge and other wwasp programmes are filled with kids dumped their by their parents till they are 18 to avoid having to pay high boarding school tutions or they can use their insurance benifits.


I feel your anger, and I'm as angry as you are, but you are misdirecting it. Parents are not looking to get rid of their kids.

Here's some factual information on the $$ topic to support my statement. Youth Care charges upwards of $14,000 per MONTH. How many private high schools schools charge that much? None that I know of, certainly none in my community. Most insurance plans only pay for 30- 90 days, and then the parents have to take over the cost, which is why you see so many kids in and out of programs. If I had been looking to just get rid of my kid, I certainly could have found a whole variety of cheaper alternatives. I was paying out of pocket, and I'm not rich. I didn't even have a job anymore. A job I lost because I took off too much time from work to take care of my family. If you want to get your jollies by saying that I sponsored my son's death, go ahead and entertain yourself. IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. If you really want to make a difference, get to the root of the problem, which is lack of community mental health resources. Use your anger to facilitate change there, where it can make a difference for a whole new generation of kids.

Private schools do not accept kids with problems like assualt and school refusal and severely defiant behavior. I would have used a day treatment in a heartbeat if one had existed. They don't. For awhile I drove my son 200 miles round trip every DAY for day treatment in a hospital. Obvioulsy not a long term solution.

I realize many survivors will never see parents as victims, and have a lot of understandable hatred towards parents who let them down, but they really aren't the monsters you make them out to be. I know I'm not going to convince you of that, but believe this --  until you find a more moderate approach, parents looking at the industry, the Congressional Committee, or people like Miller will not take you seriously, or put you on a witness stand. Think about it.

I hated my parents until I had kids because I grew up in a brainwashing environment, with punishments that should be illegal. At one point in high school, I seriously considered putting a bomb in their car. Eventually I forgave one of them, and realized I had to lose some of the anger if I wanted to be able to experience any happiness in life. The inability to forgive the other has caused me immeasurable pain in my life.

I am absolutely not condoning programs or abuse, but I'd really like to see some survivors really survive this.  Directing your anger in a positive way, and finding a constructive way to make a difference is a big step in that process. Lashing out at prospective parents, or making fun of them is not going to get their attention. Mine maybe, but I'm not looking for a program.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
sur·vi·vor     –noun 1. a person or thing that survives.  
2. Law. the one of two or more designated persons, as joint tenants or others having a joint interest, who outlives the other or others.  
3. a person who continues to function or prosper in spite of opposition, hardship, or setbacks.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Holding parents accountable
« on: October 09, 2007, 12:43:05 PM »
Quote from: ""Wandering Waygookin""
Quote from: ""Pitbull Mom""
When survivors or anyone else insist that parents have all the responsiblity for the state of the teen industry, I hear the excat same type of black and white thinking that is promulgated by the programs.

The teen industry is funded by the parent's dollar or their willingness to use their insurance/state/school district dollars. So yes the teen industry is a direct result of the parent's stupidty, sadism, and gullibility.

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Survivors who have not yet become parents will never understand the complexities of parenting until they have their own kids.

I bet most anti-program survivors on this forum wouldn't dump their kid in a program.

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It doesn't come with a manual.

Common sense is the only manual you need.

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I am an involved mom with active kids. I have NEVER met a parent yet who "gets off on their kid's suffering".

I'm a veteran member of this industry and I've meet numerous parents who enjoyed their chidren's suffering.

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I have never met a parent who just decides to send their kid to a hellhole.

Obviously you haven't done much research. Most of Spring Creek Lodge and other wwasp programmes are filled with kids dumped their by their parents till they are 18 to avoid having to pay high boarding school tutions or they can use their insurance benifits.

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Wouldn't even occur to 99% of parents. A parent would have to be on the emotional level of Jeffery Dahmer to even entertain such thoughts.

This at best is a poorly stated fallacy. However, I will coopt it for my own use by now painting most of the programme parents as Jeff Dahmer wannabes.


These are the kinds of statements that make parents, media folks, and legislators not take survivors stories' or their opinions seriously and scares them off from further reading on fornits.

What is really needed is better community mental health resources. They don't exist or are inaccessible to middle class America. That is where I will focus my anger and my need for justice.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Holding parents accountable
« on: October 09, 2007, 11:27:14 AM »
When survivors or anyone else insist that parents have all the responsiblity for the state of the teen industry, I hear the excat same type of black and white thinking that is promulgated by the programs.

Survivors who have not yet become parents will never understand the complexities of parenting until they have their own kids. It doesn't come with a manual. I am an involved mom with active kids. I have NEVER met a parent yet who "gets off on their kid's suffering". I have never met a parent who just decides to send their kid to a hellhole. Wouldn't even occur to 99% of parents. A parent would have to be on the emotional level of Jeffery Dahmer to even entertain such thoughts.

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Aspen Education Group / Suicide at AAA
« on: October 08, 2007, 02:58:26 PM »
any time there is a suicide there needs to be a thorough investigation. AAA is in Utah, so good luck, you will have to make it happen. If Ken Stettler's office in not investigating they should be, but you will have to lean on them. I would think that any suicide would raise suspicions of inadequate staffing and supervision. There are a lot of preventative actions the facility is required to take to prevent suicides. AAA is probably JHACO accredited too, so they need to be notified, it doesn't happen automatically. They have on online process for filing a complaint.

The media is not going to report it without the permission of the parents.

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