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The Troubled Teen Industry / Medical Neglect Knows No Boundaries
« on: November 02, 2007, 04:25:11 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Oh please, Fornits is a discussion board - not a parent support group or advocacy organization.

It's a damn good place to get information, breaking news and occasionally, engage in heated debates with bozos like The Who.  

Fornits will be here long after the jackels, weenies and imposters run off with their tails between their legs.

Fornits is a SURVIVOR.


Well, I don't see all that many real survivors here, mostly trolls, and what I'm guessing are some disillusioned former program staff.  I'm starting to doubt the value of fornits even as a discussion board, it seems more to be more of a cult-like "my way or the highway" forum, or "I'm entitled to my opionion, if you don't like it, then STFU".

This thread ended  up, like so many others, starting out as a good discussion about a death in Jan of this year that should have been headline news, with many comments about medications that have some useful value, and accountability for providing a certain level of care, but it ends up with so called survivors slinging insults at parents who are trying to make a difference.  For those who really want to get their message out there, and have the general public take them seriously, or maybe be a witness in a future hearing or investigation, you need to clean up your act a whole lot before you will be taken seriously.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Fornits Association of Parents
« on: November 02, 2007, 02:08:11 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Pitbull-face""
Struggling Teens does not represent the interests of most parents who post on fornits, you asshole. I'm out there, knocking on doors, advocating for kids' civil rights, working this thing from as many different angles as I can to ensure better options for our teens with mental health disorders, trying to ensure accountability, not having a frickin pity party.  What the hell are you doing?
People here are doing plenty...fuck off with that noise, dumbass.


Examples please.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Medical Neglect Knows No Boundaries
« on: November 02, 2007, 02:05:11 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Pitbull Mom""
Quote from: ""Guest""
If you're PB Mom, please sign in. We have plenty of troll imposters. Thanks.

that was me before, I was too busy trying not to eat my gun to log in. Seems everyone is posting as guest now, due to all the modifications to posts.

Have you figured out that fornits -- while seeming at first wants to help you, your family, and your cause -- will turn against you, attack you, and hamper your cause? It usually doesn't take parents that long.


Yes, I figured out a long time ago that fornits is a cult. I initally made the mistake of thinking you all were actually advocating for something good to come about.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Medical Neglect Knows No Boundaries
« on: November 02, 2007, 01:57:56 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
PB Mom,

Every situation is different - there isn't one size fits all. While I certainly cannot speak for them, I think some posters get impassioned about the cause and make generalizations. People get hurt and caught in those generalizations. Or maybe it's as simple as not being able to see eye to eye.

To everyone -
The point being, let's not lose sight of the common ground about why we are here. To prevent more deaths and abuse of kids at these places.


Exactly the 2 points I've been trying to make for quite some time.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Fornits Association of Parents
« on: November 02, 2007, 01:54:41 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Pitbull-face""
Struggling Teens does not represent the interests of most parents who post on fornits, you asshole. I'm out there, knocking on doors, advocating for kids' civil rights, working this thing from as many different angles as I can to ensure better options for our teens with mental health disorders, trying to ensure accountability, not having a frickin pity party.  What the hell are you doing?
People here are doing plenty...fuck off with that noise, dumbass.

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The people posting are mostly parents indulging in their favorite pastime - pity partying.


same to you. what comes around goes around.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Medical Neglect Knows No Boundaries
« on: November 02, 2007, 01:52:02 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Pitbull Mom""
that was me before, I was too busy trying not to eat my gun to log in. Seems everyone is posting as guest now, due to all the modifications to posts.
All the modifications? You mean the alleged modification of assWho's and CCM twat's posts? Why should YOU worry about that, PB.. makes me wonder about you..


har har, Niles I assume this is you,  there was a comment to me a few posts back, that I should "log in so I can edit my mistakes". but it's been edited out..... Allegedly.

there's nothing to wonder about me. Everyone knows exactly who I am, my real name, where I live. I have no reason to hide anything. My son's story is public knowledge. I say what I think, and I identify myself. and I don't edit my posts. (I may have once edited some spelling, so don't bother to throw THAT in my face.)

I have no agenda here other than hopefully preventing another parent from the nightmare I've been through, losing a cherished child to this industry. I have a lot of knowledge about how the mental health systems, school systems, medical and insurance communities, etc work. I have no answers, having lived through what I can only describe as 10 years of horror, but I can certainly share what I've learned, answer questions, clear up misinformation when I frequently run accross it, and do whatever I can to advocate for kids' rights. It's not a simple problem with a simple answer. Did I make some mistakes? Undoubtedly, but one of them was NOT being responsible for my son's untimely death.  some asshole didn't call 911, that's what happened to my son, plain and simple. Shit happens, life deals you some bad curves, you deal with it the best you can, and seek the best advice you can find when you find yourself in over your head.

Now, excuse me while I go polish my gun.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Fornits Association of Parents
« on: November 02, 2007, 01:25:22 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Err .. a group for struggling parents?  I think there already is one.

http://www.strugglingteens.com

Don't be fooled by the name.  The people posting are mostly parents indulging in their favorite pastime - pity partying.


Struggling Teens does not represent the interests of most parents who post on fornits, you asshole. I'm out there, knocking on doors, advocating for kids' civil rights, working this thing from as many different angles as I can to ensure better options for our teens with mental health disorders, trying to ensure accountability, not having a frickin pity party.  What the hell are you doing?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Medical Neglect Knows No Boundaries
« on: November 02, 2007, 01:17:51 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
If you're PB Mom, please sign in. We have plenty of troll imposters. Thanks.


that was me before, I was too busy trying not to eat my gun to log in. Seems everyone is posting as guest now, due to all the modifications to posts.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Medical Neglect Knows No Boundaries
« on: November 02, 2007, 01:16:13 PM »
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Even kids at Three Springs had their med changes approved by their parents. So it is my belief that the meds were not administered in a forcible manner and that the parents had full knowledge of their daughter's med intake.

The object lesson here is did the parents think to ever question the doctor's suggestions?

They bloody well should of...


Froddy: Went scuba diving with a couple of limeys last week. They regaled me with tales of boozing, mongering, and other degeneracy in a delightful argot that for the most part left me unsure exactly what they were saying. Gobshite is one of the quaint litle britishisms I picked up.


I can't speak for other parents, but I questioned every drug I ever authorized my son to take. All medication changes were discussed between all of us, my son, his doc, and me. I didn't use quack docs, and they always explained fully the side effects and anything serious to watch for, monitored weight changes and labs for proper dosages, etc.  Any parent who makes the difficult decision to put their child on mind altereing drugs had better be doing a lot of research on their own, and not just relying on what the doc says, or the prescription information that accompanies every RX by law. Many many medications being prescribed to kids have not been tested thoroughly on kids, so parents had better be paying attention, especially if they are not using a board certified child psychiatrist.

My son also googled meds he was on, and asked good questions. You can't force a 14 year old to take meds.

There are numerous good websites, other than the vendor's website where parents can get drug information, and also good drug interaction sites to check for interactions specific to all of the meds, vitamins and herbs being taken together, as well as any alcohol or self administered drugs kids might be taking.

But wait... I was a shitty mom, let me eat my gun now.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Medical Neglect Knows No Boundaries
« on: October 30, 2007, 06:34:04 PM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
My point, were you not so damned defensive....

...is that we're lacking common sense in this day and age. We don't need a huge study with PhD's and millions of dollars to realize if someone is in pain they're not going to be very pleasant to deal with, and that in neglecting our children and then punishing them for acting out we're only treating the symptoms of the problem, being ourselves.

I am not having fun at their expense... if its at anyone's expense its that of the quack fucks who let both of them die.

You're new here. I'm not. Look at my post count. I've been here since 03. I'm only 22 and Ive done more than I could tell you without spending a lot of time to put an end to this... you only came here after your child died when the system took you for a ride and he paid with his life.

Keep that in mind.

I'm here for those dead kids, the living but abused kids, and  I'm here to keep anyone else from dying, and anyone else from being abused, not to make fun of dead children. I suggest you learn to read sarcasm and read into what I'm getting at before snapping, and for that matter registering an account so you can edit your mistakes!

At any rate, you should cool off. I'm the last person who would make fun of a dead child, especially one who died in such a horrible way.

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*gasp* you mean kids with obstructed bowels who are in pain behave badly, and improve when they're not in pain?

OH SHIT STOP THE PRESSES

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Stupid people who throw pills around like snake oil in a snake oil convention at captive children are killing them.


I don't need to edit my post, and this doesn't seem like constructive sarcasm. These kids we are specifically talking about were not having behavior problems because of pain, their behavior issues surfaced well before the medical problems that came up later. Dealing with a child with a mental illness is heartbreaking. And then to have jokesters like you dishonoring them just leaves me speechless....

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The Troubled Teen Industry / The issue from a parents perspective
« on: October 30, 2007, 03:23:18 PM »
Who, why don't you just apologize to Joyce, you obviously didn't single her out, but I can certainly see how your comment would be insulting to her.  Miller obviously had a strategy, which seems to have worked, since he got the interest from Congress he was looking for. Doesn't really matter what his strategy was or why.

Then we can move on and stay on topic.  I'm actually interested in hearing what other parents have to say, since we now apparently have our own thread. I'm moving on in my quest for ACCOUNTABILITY, and the more information I have, the more ammunition I have. I'm working with a protection and advocacy organization, and they are VERY interested in how these kids have been exploited, and why so many of them have ended up dead or abused.

to all of you who have had kids abused in a program, or have been abused yourself, especially if it's very recent, PLEASE start filing complaints with every organization in your state that will listen to you. Every state has some kind of protection and advocacy group staffed by attorneys who are committed to the welfare of kids. If you can't find one, contact the National Youth Law Center and ask them for help. http://http://www.youthlaw.org/child_welfare/ While this organization does not represent people in individual cases, they have a wealth of information and can get you pointed in the right direction. People who work in this arena are aware of the hearing, many have seen it, and they are very open right now to hearing your stories. It's helpful to have a concise account of your story, with a timeline, and as much documentation, emails, phone call records, invoices, behavior reports, etc as you can provide.

Pitbull Mom aka Hippie Chick Soccer Mom

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Medical Neglect Knows No Boundaries
« on: October 30, 2007, 02:46:53 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
A child dies of "lethal constipation" in a state hospital.  How's that for the ultimate act of abuse and criminal negligence?

This reminds me of the case involving the boy who died of a bowel infarction at a private program in Utah.

I am beginning to think that the drugs given to these children are playing a major role in these tragedies.

 :flame:


STOP right there. Drugs are not killing these kids. People are.

Parents and doctors monitor kids who are on meds for side effects. All drugs have side effects. Kids on these meds are supposed to be regularly monitored for these kinds of side effects. Don't be too quick to let negligent PEOPLE off the hook for not providing kids with access to medical care, or not monitoring them properly for the medications they are prescribing and administering. Some of these medications are life saving for these kids.

And yes, parents who authorize these meds need to be very dligent in watching for signs of side effects and teaching their kids to do the same.

But don't you dare disrespect these kids who have DIED at the hands of the ADULTS paid to take care of them, despite any phsycial or emotional issues they have, or any medications they are on. In almost every case of medical neglect, either the kids has BEGGED for help, or had symptoms so severe they couldn't talk, or the symptoms were so obvious that a 5 year old would have called 911. Neither the girl in this article nor my son deserved the painful and miserable deaths that were both ruled PREVENTABLE.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Youth Care Behavior Modification
« on: October 25, 2007, 07:31:53 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
All this marketing and promotional stuff needs to be kept in perspective given this is the same program where a child died in their care and if IIRC, the child's parents didn't even know he was sick.


he didn't just "die in their care". They callously ignored his need for medical attention, and were charged with "felony neglect and abuse."

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Aspen Education Group / Aspen Seminars
« on: October 21, 2007, 12:11:00 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
i don't see any evidence that this is actually linked to aspen... i think this is just some copycat trying to make money.


Oh, it's Apsen through and through....
 
the Contact Us page has Aspen Education Groups logo big as life....
http://http://www.aspenseminars.com/contact.html

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Split thread on discussion about Blum to avoid derailing
« on: October 21, 2007, 10:31:41 AM »
Quote from: "hanzomon4"
Quote from: "Guest"
“more than 2,500 cases in a five-year period in which teachers were punished for actions from bizarre to sadistic. And no one has found a surefire way to keep molesting teachers out of classrooms.â€

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