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The Troubled Teen Industry / GAO Hearings and Congress
« on: July 14, 2007, 02:29:07 AM »
i thought CATEY was with caca and IZZY. They are not connected? im sorry for making the connection if i was wrong someone please fill me in....

Anyways  now not only one group knows who to call to arrange testimony if there is hearings.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / hearings
« on: July 14, 2007, 12:40:41 AM »
i also didnt trust the caftey post on hearing so i also did my own research. I think that caftey is just collecting info right now and then going to try to controle who they submitt for testimony in such a way to controle the hearings to meet PURE and CAFTEY's own agenda. Word to Sue Scheif and Isabella i also have the contanct info if there is a hearings i know who does the scheduling so your little plan wont work. I think they need to hear about Whitmore academy and the PURE money making scam. Lets not forget IZZY!

If there is a hearing the congressmen wil get full picture not a partial one showing PURE and IZZY as saviors they will get the truth!

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / delete post
« on: September 10, 2006, 09:58:29 PM »
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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / delete post
« on: September 10, 2006, 09:57:01 PM »
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The Troubled Teen Industry / What happened to Bob Lichfield?
« on: October 16, 2005, 04:43:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-16 13:29:00, BuzzKill wrote:

"CCM'89 - you don't have to be afraid to talk with Jeff if you want to. He is not a bad guy. He doesn't want to rattle Susan's cage - and this does seem to fly in the face of his objectives - but it doesn't make him a bad guy. A little conflicted maybe. . .




what is Mr. Berrymans objectives?

Gaining their trust by saying bad things about WWASP?

Then make money off sue and PURE from program referals? Like sending kids to abusive programs like Whitmore?

Suckering desperate parents?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / struggling teen (funny shit)
« on: July 11, 2005, 06:49:00 PM »
i love laughing at warped parents!!!

OverLordd
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  posted July 11, 2005 01:32 PM                        
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Ok, lets look at this logically.

You say your child is very smart, which is a wonderful thing. That is why sending him off to camp, or to school would be a foolish move, learning at camps and at resident schools is nearly non existant, because they are always trying to treat this and that.

You say your sun is disrespectful, lets look at that. In your story you seem to do nothing diserveing of respect. You sent him to a out of disrect alternative school, which ruined his year. You and your husband are not even unifyed on what should be done. Why in the wrold should he respect you? And dont lay down a line about I diserve respect because of my position as parent, because thats bull, respect for a position in work is one thing, in the social and family interaction circles is completely diffrent. You have to earn the respect of a youth, with most it is already given freely, but if you botch it up it will be taken away. He does not respect you because of your past actions.

Somthing you also have to look at, smart children dont bend over and take it. Thats is the fact of youth, many of them can be sharper than the adults around them, and they have no difficulty seeing past any and all attempts to modify who they are. I would compare trying to break a smart independant child with trying to break a POW, it can be done, but why would you treat them like that if you care about them? Most likely, if you send him away he would hate you and disrespect you all the more, unless you break his spirit, then you give him a whole list of new issues.

If you want to send him off so some dis-honored drill sergent can scream at him, so be it, but it is not the best move you can make.

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KareninDallas
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  posted July 11, 2005 02:58 PM                        
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Overlordd, your credibility on this site is non-existent. Please go back to Dev-ville, or whereever you came from.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sucess stories from Struggling Teens.com
« on: June 06, 2005, 11:01:00 PM »
KimzMom
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  posted June 06, 2005 09:06 AM                        
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OMG I have been away and JUST read this.. ughhhhhhhhh..

One thing we all need to remember is what is said on the web is anybody's game!! Sad but true! People can link to the site, copy/paste, etc.. Our feelings are open game!!

Webcrawlers can extract just about anything we say or do!

I feel strong after what we have been through, its the newbies on this site I feel bad for! THEY are the ones that are vulnerable for these preditors!!

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17 Yr old daughter home since 2/04.

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lmmom
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  posted June 06, 2005 09:26 AM                        
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You're right, Kimzmom, that once it goes on the net it's there for all to see. And I have some trouble getting my mind around people wanting to be nasty for nasty's sake. What I love about this forum is the civility and the compassion.

I have posted here before that there is a lot of corporate and therapeutic weirdness in this industry, and I believe that we're looking at some of the products of that weirdness. Sadly, the good, effective, compassionate programs get painted with the same brush. I know I made good decisions for my son because I had a lot of good help.

Margie
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maggie0325
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  posted June 06, 2005 04:16 PM                        
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I too got an invite.

It is sad that the energy on that web site could not be harnassed and used for some other purpose... maybe speaking at high schools about making poor choices; talking to kids about relationships with their parents (since Dev and his friends seem to be the masters of parent/child relationships) or perhaps used for educating parents on why teens make the choices they do. I don't know. But it sure seems to be a waste of time and energy.

I am a graduate of a TBS. I am also a parent. I, too, was picked up by an escort service 22 years ago and dropped in the middle of no where. I am very familiar with the industry. I am also familiar, unfortunately, with how difficult it is to deal with a teen that is out of control when all options have run out.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sucess stories from Struggling Teens.com
« on: June 05, 2005, 11:38:00 PM »
in true struggling teens.com fashion it you dont like the post or agree with the post or topic make it disappear! This post was just taken from struggling teens.

Momofboyz2x
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posted June 05, 2005 07:52 PM                        
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Hi Kelly. Can you go back and delete your first entry that started this thread and then the whole thread will go away? Just thought that maybe that would make the link to this thread not work that they have posted on their website. It might be worth a shot. We don't need to give them any more info or responses than we already have. They're just trying to "bait" us and we shouldn't be giving them the satisfaction or our time in responding to them.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sucess stories from Struggling Teens.com
« on: June 05, 2005, 07:11:00 PM »
Author  Topic: Invitation to Dev's website??  
goldenguru
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  posted June 05, 2005 04:26 AM                        
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Just wondering how many of us were invited to visit "Wayward Web" by Devlin?

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&22

I was saddened that others are insensitive enough to take our painful stories and post then on another site for enjoyment.

Dev (or whatever your real name is)~
I am sick of this war of words. Just leave us be. We don't ask you to bless our parenting decisions. But, I don't think we deserve to be berated by others who do not necessarily agree with our decisions. If I want your opinions I know where to find you and your website. But, please, please leave us in peace. Thanks

[ June 05, 2005, 04:27 AM: Message edited by: goldenguru ]

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Kelly

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KareninDallas
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  posted June 05, 2005 05:53 AM                        
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I received the same invitation. It is a pretty pathetic website and all the anger is very sad. You will note that a teen has responded recently with an opposing view.
I also don't agree that this site is censored. The posters on the other site don't realize that this forum is for support and information- not for a debate on whether we are awful parents for choosing out of the home placements.
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Parents for Residential Reform
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  posted June 05, 2005 06:13 AM                        
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I actually got the an email went on the site and told them it was not appropriate I am so so very concerned all the time about confidentiality of parents and most imporantly children.

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mose
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  posted June 05, 2005 06:59 AM                        
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He is a sick twisted fellow.
What a tragic way for him to live his small petty life by harrassing parents on the internet.

I wonder if it?s legal for him to cut and paste your words from this site and post publicly on another board.
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katsmom
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  posted June 05, 2005 07:55 AM                        
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Yep, I got the invite too. What a pathetic, uneducated and cruel thread that was. I will not bother responding there. It doesn't even hurt me because I am happy and my DD is happy with her placement. The staff called me yesterday afternoon and said DD was having a blast trying out for the dance team. All is right in my world right now.
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Jena
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  posted June 05, 2005 12:42 PM                        
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I also got one, but didn't bother to click on it. Now that I see that he is copying material from this forum, I will have to do something about it.

Lon gets rather mad at people who use his website to further their own. I will let him know this is going on immediately.

Jena
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KareninDallas
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  posted June 05, 2005 03:25 PM                        
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I suggest that we all stay away from that site. They seem to be out of control right now- lots of 4 letter words and personal attacks against us. I think the main reason for the 4 letter words is that they can't spell anything longer than that, to tell you the truth.
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Parents for Residential Reform
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  posted June 05, 2005 03:53 PM                        
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Karen I agree I actually just posted their they accused me of something or another and called me a troll? I am not sure what that means in that context but I am not going back their ever, I disagree with anyone cut/copying/pasting messages from others on another board and let them have it for it.
Andrea

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goldenguru
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  posted June 05, 2005 03:54 PM                        
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Oh Karen~
You are sooo right. It is a very hostile, toxic place. I was called a few choice four letter words.

I am sorry that I posted this entire topic. I am sorry that I ever was sucked into going that website. It is very disturbing indeed!!

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Kelly

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sucess stories from Struggling Teens.com
« on: June 05, 2005, 04:59:00 PM »
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Invitation to Dev's website??
Jena
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Member # 1044 posted June 05, 2005 12:42 PM                        
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I also got one, but didn't bother to click on it. Now that I see that he is copying material from this forum, I will have to do something about it.

Lon gets rather mad at people who use his website to further their own. I will let him know this is going on immediately.

Jena


1.  Its not my website. I just post on it.

2.  This webiste tells the truth about programs and is not censored like struggling teens.

3.  When you post anything on a public board it becomes public property and we can use it or even re-post it as long as the message on the board is not copywrighted. I never saw a copywright in the stuggling teens site or no statement telling no one to re-post anything on the site so your fucked.

4.  Who cares if we are discussing the lack of parenting skills on struggling teen or not. We are just discussing program parents and how delusional they are and your replys only show that i was right almost every parent on struggling teens is in need of pyschatric care.

May i suggest Straight by the Sea......

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mose
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  posted June 05, 2005 06:59 AM                        
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He is a sick twisted fellow.
What a tragic way for him to live his small petty life by harrassing parents on the internet.

I wonder if it?s legal for him to cut and paste your words from this site and post publicly on another board.
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Moose get a life i think you are a sick twisted sadistic parent who tortues kids. You are the twisted one! Fuck you!
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sucess stories from Struggling Teens.com
« on: June 03, 2005, 02:26:00 AM »
FireFL5

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  posted November 24, 2004 07:13 AM                        
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Well.....after a wilderness and a TBS...daughter isn't going to school, not taking meds regularly, and generally back to her old tricks....lying, sexually acting out, failing,..all the old borderline tendency issues....

We have done all we know to do....any suggestions? Time is running out as she will be 18 in February.

Jodi
Florida

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sucess stories from Struggling Teens.com
« on: June 03, 2005, 02:12:00 AM »
More Sucess stories
ccross
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posted April 29, 2005 11:55 AM                      
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I haven't updated you all since my daughter began to struggle in her senior year of high school last fall.

As background, she went to a program at age 14 for 18 months, has been in a private school three years, living at home. She is 18.

Well, this past week she was dismissed from the private school. It was the accumulation of months of absenses, failing grades and just not making school her priority. Believe me, we tried everything. She wasn't cooperating, so she's out.

Six weeks from graduation!

Believe it or not, her dad and I are relieved. It's been like trying to pull a mule up a mountain the past six months.

She's already having a hard time with the consequences -- no prom, no senior trip, no graduation ceremony. She let her part-time job know she's available for full time work, but found out she can't get promoted to a better paying job without a high school diploma or GED.

The school said they'd call next week and let us know if they can work something out where if she continues to do her thesis and other school work from home, she can earn her high school diploma. But that, again, depends on her cooperation. Plan B is to get her GED, and then enroll in the local community college in the fall.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sucess stories from Struggling Teens.com
« on: June 03, 2005, 12:37:00 AM »
irol  
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posted May 24, 2005 05:01 AM                        
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Well, my son has decided to continue skipping school. We've played the tough love game as best as possible -- no money, no car, no cell phone. Now he just doesn't come home and doesn't contact us. I know he's okay through friends, etc... I remember reading about kids like him on this post a couple of years ago and thinking wow, I'm glad that's not me. Ha! But there is a difference this time around in his behavior. I feel like we've tried so hard and now I'm not sure I care. Does anyone get to the point where they just don't care?

Can I stop caring?
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irol
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posted May 24, 2005 06:3AM                        
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Thanks Kelly, I like that word "detach." I will detach. You're right Karen, he's still 17. I need to figure out what the law says about my detachment. I know that if he's part of a crime, he's an adult. If he's the victim of a crime, he's a child. I think he's staying away from home because he's convinced I have escorts hiding in the bushes waiting for him.
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irol  
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posted May 24, 2005 12:29 PM                        
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Well, I haven't kicked my son out. He's opted not to come home. I found out where he is staying and it is a safe place. I'm guessing he thinks I'm going to send him away in the middle of the night. I'm going to let him continue where he is for now.

As for sending him away again. It is possible, but then I wonder why should everyone else in the family have to suffer. I'm still in serious debt from the $100,000 we spent on him during the past couple of years. This time we would have to sell the house and four of us would be moving into an apartment all so he could get his act together until he turns 18. And then, who knows what would happen. So I'm trying to justify why he gets all the resources and the kids who are doing well get none.

I'm going to take a back seat for awhile. I guess I was just looking for permission from someone so I could stop caring so much. sigh.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sucess stories from Struggling Teens.com
« on: June 03, 2005, 12:33:00 AM »
These are the post i like to see on the Strugging Teens program parents message board:

maggie0325
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posted May 22, 2005 05:14 PM                        
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We were notified today by our son's TBS therapist that his mother pulled him from the program last night. He had been dropped a level and not doing well, which she took full advantage of... stating that the program is no longer working. HA! She has been planning on doing this since March... when she went for her first family visit. We warned ths school of this, but they dismissed our suspicions. For some reason, they assumed that his bio-mom was an honest, level headed person instead of the psycho shrink that we know.

We are angry, hurt, and devastated. Although we have joint custody, we have been the residential parents for 7 years. 10 months out of the year he is with us and then 2 months in the summer he is with his mother. He has 4 sisters at our home. His mother is working on her 3rd live-in boyfriend in 5 years.

There are legal steps that we can take. She is violating the custody order. She is violating the order filed with the court a year ago agreeing to keep in the program and to pay half... But what can we do? Our son is 16. We are not in a good place with him right now because we would not "rescue" him. He has been told over and over that it was our choice alone to send him away.... that his mother was forced into a corner, forced to agree.

ANy thoughts? Suggestions? We are feeling not only that we are back to where we were pre-wilderness, but several steps behind that. More financially and emotionally drained. And, we beleive, we have lost our son to the "dark side".

[ May 22, 2005, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: maggie0325 ]

maggie0325
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posted June 01, 2005 09:46 AM                        
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Just thought that I would drop a post with an update on our son.

His mother took him home over a week ago and we have yet to hear a word from either of them. We have heard from bio-mom's attorney...among other demands, she would now like to have sole custody. (He is 16 1/2)

The program also called to inform us that bio-mom has stirred up quite a bit of trouble, explaining that about an hour before she left campus, she was having one on one converations with the other kids and telling them that the program could not force them to stay, their rights were being violated, etc. They will be picking up the pieces from her destruction for months.

My husband and I are not sure what we are going to do. We have considered a civil suit. We are seeing a therapist regarding our options with our son and whether we should be reaching out to him or waiting a bit longer. We continue to feel hurt and angry, but we love him. And we miss him... and we feel sorry that his mother has put him in such an unhealthy position. Although we have talked to many, no one has any real good answers or advice for us. It is such a horrible situation.

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Lighthouse of northwest florida (fka VCA )/ Rebekah / Roloff ) / Genesis by the Sea Featued on the Radio
« on: May 13, 2005, 04:06:00 PM »
http://www.worldtalkradio.com/archive.asp?aid=4015

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see segments 1-3 click them to listen to the show.

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